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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook_ | budget is always a tricky one |
| 00:23 | tcohen[m] | Go for Contabo, I say as a happy DO user |
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| 07:02 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:38 | Joubu | upgrading weblate |
| 07:40 | magnuse | Joubu++ |
| 07:43 | Joubu | @later tell lds sandboxes fixed! |
| 07:43 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:15 | krimsonkharne[m] | morning all |
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| 08:26 | ashimema | @later tell caroline hopefully it was a blip.. the youtube link works for me.. it's the KohaILS channel rather than the PTFS specific one. |
| 08:26 | huginn` | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:07 | Joubu | magnuse: are you currently translating? |
| 09:08 | cait1: you are as well? | |
| 09:15 | magnuse | i was doing some in the last hour, yes |
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| 09:29 | cait | I am translating |
| 09:29 | ye | |
| 09:29 | s | |
| 09:29 | trying to finish prefs | |
| 09:29 | Joubu: sorry, I didn't see your question right away | |
| 09:38 | Joubu | ok |
| 09:38 | the values on https://translate.koha-communi[…]master/#languages are not correct | |
| 09:38 | the stats are not updated | |
| 09:38 | it's reported there https://github.com/WeblateOrg/[…]late/issues/10508 | |
| 09:40 | cait | what is the consequence? |
| 09:41 | Joubu | confusion, for instance Spanish is 100% translated but it says 90% |
| 09:41 | the release notes (translations %) will not be correct either | |
| 09:41 | not a bit deal, but letting you know that we know ;) | |
| 09:45 | cait | oh |
| 09:45 | can we fix manually? | |
| 09:45 | magnuse | Joubu++ |
| 09:45 | cait | if something has 100% it woudl be great if we could say that |
| 09:45 | it's a lot of work poeple put in to treach that | |
| 09:45 | Joubu | we can fix the 100%, yes I guess |
| 09:45 | but it will need to be done today | |
| 09:46 | I won't, and Tomas will certainly not have time for that... | |
| 09:46 | magnuse | i was sondering about the numbers here: https://translate.koha-communi[…]staff-prog/nb_NO/ it says "10,926 All strings — 50,311 words" but also "10,926 Unfinished strings without suggestions — 50,311 words" but there are definitely some translated strings... |
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| 09:52 | tcohen[m] | I'll fix then manually if needed |
| 09:53 | Good morning | |
| 09:53 | thd | Good morning. |
| 09:54 | ashimema: Are you present? | |
| 09:54 | paulderscheid[m] | Hi #koha |
| 10:08 | cait | maybe we should leave the info out, if it's incorrect |
| 10:17 | magnuse | is there something else than restarting plack needed to make changes to /etc/koha/sites/mykoha/log4perl.conf "take"? |
| 10:18 | Joubu | memcached |
| 10:24 | magnuse | ah, thanks! |
| 10:26 | cait | good morning tcohen |
| 10:27 | still racing trasnaltion deadlie.. tell me when you cut off? | |
| 10:27 | 25 more for prefs... and installer wlel. | |
| 10:28 | thd | cait: Yes, avoiding false information would be good. However, leaving it out may be the same work as a manual fix and some people prefer somewhat incorrect information on schedule with an update later instead of a delay. There may be more important bugs which could be fixed with a delay. A scheduled release cycle has that inherent problem. |
| 10:29 | Joubu | cait: there is no cut off from tcohen[m] |
| 10:31 | cait | ah, dpeendson the i10n pacakge building? |
| 10:31 | Joubu | yes |
| 10:34 | cait | do we have an estimate for that? |
| 10:34 | Joubu | it's usually done in the next couple of days after the tag is pushed |
| 10:43 | cait | finishes prefs! |
| 10:43 | off to the installer we go | |
| 10:43 | "Total item investigations" - PI? :) | |
| 10:57 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 11:32 | tcohen[m] | Joubu did you update weblate ? |
| 11:34 | Joubu | yes, it didn't work, see weblate's issue |
| 11:35 | ttps://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/10508 | |
| 11:35 | https://github.com/WeblateOrg/[…]late/issues/10508 | |
| 11:41 | tcohen[m] | Thanks |
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| 12:29 | cait | 43 Installer entries... Jurisdiction governed ? |
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| 12:41 | cait | DONE https://translate.koha-communi[…]koha/master/-/de/ |
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| 13:01 | tcohen[m] | cait++ |
| 13:01 | cait1++ | |
| 13:01 | cait2++ | |
| 13:04 | Annelisterman[m] | still translating prefs. And had to leave some strings without translation in the staff-prog because we haven't come up suitable names for some of the new features. |
| 13:07 | cait1 | lol |
| 13:08 | too many caits again... | |
| 13:08 | cait | Annelisterman[m]: I know waht you mean, in the past we had some discussion on the koha-de list |
| 13:08 | I remember stock rotation and rotating collections specifically, naming is hard | |
| 13:10 | Annelisterman[m] | stock rotation was hard :D |
| 13:13 | ashimema | they're fairly different features in my opinion |
| 13:13 | I kinda wish stock rotation wasn't hidden behind a preference.. it's a nice feature which I feel is rarely used | |
| 13:16 | Annelisterman[m] | yes they are different and if I have understood right how rotating collection work, it is more of a tool to transfer items in batch to another library. So.. they're not actually "rotating"? |
| 13:17 | ashimema | totally |
| 13:17 | I'd love to rename it | |
| 13:17 | think I suggested that years ago | |
| 13:18 | to me it's more about 'collecting a bunch of items together' actually | |
| 13:18 | so a bulk transfer from wherever the items may be right now to a single place so you can use them in a display or for a reading club or something | |
| 13:19 | where as stock rotation is all about rotating individual items regularly around libraries to give everyone a fair chance of borrowing them from their local library | |
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| 13:22 | cait | ashimema: maybe we should just activate on new installations by default? |
| 13:23 | ashimema: are the pre-release noes current? | |
| 13:23 | goint to try and help pretty | |
| 13:23 | ashimema | yup |
| 13:23 | I'm building them almost every 5 minutes at the moment 😜 | |
| 13:24 | cait | oh |
| 13:24 | i thought i had seen 4 hours ago | |
| 13:24 | ashimema | as for enabling things by default |
| 13:24 | it's often been an annoyance that we don't do that for me | |
| 13:24 | it's always been our way.. new stuff stays hidden | |
| 13:25 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]notes_23_06_00.md | |
| 13:25 | cait | I think the 'least disturbance' rule is in general good |
| 13:25 | ashimema | it's not regular right now cait.. I'm manually triggering it pretty regularly whilst I do fixes 😜 |
| 13:25 | yeah.. least distrubance | |
| 13:25 | cait | thx! |
| 13:25 | ashimema | but for fresh install.. I think on by default is good |
| 13:26 | cait | somewhere you'd want me to start or just work through top down? |
| 13:26 | and agreed | |
| 13:33 | domm[m] | Is there a script to merge a bigish bunch of authorities (and relinking biblios)? |
| 13:33 | ashimema | I started at the top |
| 13:33 | but i'm by no means perfect 😜 | |
| 13:34 | I've not gone through all the architectural ones yet.. I usually try to look at those and move them to appropriate sections if I feel they do a little more than just hidden arch stuff | |
| 13:35 | otherwise.. I've reached 'Allow patrons to have overdue items that would not result in debarment when removing overdue debarments' | |
| 13:36 | and need some lunch now | |
| 13:36 | cait | ok |
| 13:36 | I'Ll try to catch up | |
| 13:36 | ashimema | so feel free to pick up from there? |
| 13:36 | cait | domm[m]: what do you mean by merge? overlay? |
| 13:36 | staged tools can work on authorities, bullkmarcimport maybe too, but not sure | |
| 13:37 | we use a ...somewaht customized script for that | |
| 13:38 | domm[m] | no, we have for example some manual entered auth and the same but imported from GND. Ignoring how we find the duplicates, we want to delete the "bad" auths, keep the good GND ones, but of course link all biblios using the bad to the good ones |
| 13:39 | I can probably easly write a script that calls C4::AuthoritiesMarc->merge | |
| 13:39 | but before I do that I wondered if it already exists | |
| 13:41 | oh, and more generally: What's the deal regarding C4 vs Koha. I think that C4 is old and Koha:: is the new way to go (based on DBIC), but when working on some new code, should I still use the old C4 stuff, or rather try to move it into Koha::? | |
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| 14:22 | ashimema | Joubu around? |
| 14:22 | Yes.. if you can you should write new code using the patterns in Koha/ domm | |
| 14:23 | there's obviously a pragmatism line at some point.. we wouldn't expect you to rewrite the whole of C4::Circulation in Koha:: | |
| 14:23 | domm[m] | ok, and also move (copy?) stuff from C4 to Koha, if I can't find equivalent in Koha? |
| 14:23 | ashimema | though we do encourage migrating things into Koha:: when possible |
| 14:23 | domm[m] | ok |
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| 14:49 | cait | sorry domm[m] - too many things going on here today :( |
| 14:49 | i think there is a deduplicate script floating on bugzilla - kidclamp might be good to ask about | |
| 14:49 | Joubu | ashimema: yes |
| 14:51 | cait | domm[m]: I was thinking of bug 13706 |
| 14:51 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13706 new feature, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Deduping authorities script (dedup_authorities.pl) |
| 14:51 | ashimema | I'm trying to understand whats outstanding manual wise.. |
| 14:51 | cait | maybe that would be helpful |
| 14:51 | ashimema | url + version params |
| 14:51 | cait | the auth linker script can also relink, but I am not very familiar with the options as we don't use it |
| 14:52 | domm[m] | cait: thanks |
| 14:55 | cait | I've been referring to soem blog posts on the bywater page in the past that explain some of the authority linking things more closely - might also be a good source. Not sure how much is in the manual. We import 'pre-linked' so usually don't deal with it |
| 15:02 | RN (Release Notes): do we want to add a quick note to Bug 35174 maybe? ( | |
| 15:02 | Po files removed from codebase | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | ashimema: https://koha-community.org/manual/23.11/fr/html/ - we have decided to stick with this for the moment. I have created ln -s on the server to point to "latest" when version is > 23.11 |
| 15:05 | ashimema | ok, sounds good |
| 15:05 | what about links from Koha's help | |
| 15:06 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]Koha/Manual.pm#L7 | |
| 15:06 | I'm thinking we just hardcode latest in there for anything over 23.05 right? | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | what I am saying, it won't change, 23.11 will still work |
| 15:06 | 23.11 will link to "latest" on the server | |
| 15:07 | ashimema | so you're looking to create a symlink from version to latest with each release? |
| 15:07 | Joubu | yes |
| 15:07 | ashimema | I see |
| 15:07 | Joubu | I've created up to 2026 already :D |
| 15:07 | ashimema | hahaha. |
| 15:07 | ok | |
| 15:07 | cool | |
| 15:07 | I can tick that one off my list then 🙂 | |
| 15:07 | Joubu | it's temporary, but it was the quickest and easiest |
| 15:08 | the idea was: even if we rollback, it will still work | |
| 15:08 | ashimema | yeah... works for me 🙂 |
| 15:08 | Joubu | rollback: 1 manual per version |
| 15:08 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:08 | I like | |
| 15:08 | okies, thanks | |
| 15:12 | right.. | |
| 15:12 | I'm not onto the ktd persistency testing | |
| 15:12 | been a long week as usual | |
| 15:14 | caroline | I didn't know where the links to the manual from Koha were made... it's good to know |
| 15:14 | we'll have to add the preservation chapter in there | |
| 15:16 | cait | there is a mapping file - do you want me to find you a bug where I did some link updating? |
| 15:16 | caroline | ashimema just liked the file, it seems straightfforward enough |
| 15:17 | cait | yep it is |
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| 15:17 | cait | Joubu++ # I think you are to blame for that file :) |
| 15:44 | ashimema: shoul the notes update now automagically? | |
| 15:45 | ashimema | nope |
| 15:45 | I'm still hitting it manually | |
| 15:45 | god knows why cron isn't behaving | |
| 15:45 | building now | |
| 15:46 | cait | thx |
| 15:46 | I added some more to circulation | |
| 15:46 | ashimema | done |
| 15:46 | cait | and one seemd out of order, I tried to sort it |
| 15:46 | well the text seemd to have gotten out of order | |
| 15:46 | ashimema | interesting |
| 15:47 | my laptop is melting trying to test Joubu's ktd persistence patches | |
| 15:47 | 😧 | |
| 15:48 | cait | at least you got it warm... we had snow today |
| 15:48 | 32932 Re-structure Vue router-links to use "name" instead of urls 33417 Create one standard Toolbar component is in ERM - should we move more of these to Architecture? | |
| 15:48 | ashimema | the laptop may be melting, but I'm sat here shivvering |
| 16:02 | cait | there is so many I could still write note sfor ugh. |
| 16:03 | caroline | Is there an equivalent of PatronSelfRegistrationAdditionalInstructions for *before* the patron registers? I'd like to add a message like "by registering you accept the policies bla bla", but in that one it only shows up after the patron has registered... |
| 16:04 | ashimema | is that not covered by some of the gdpr prefs? |
| 16:05 | caroline | what are they called again? |
| 16:05 | privacypolicy? | |
| 16:06 | it says it's to use the opac, but I could use the opac without registering? | |
| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:07 | caroline | oh yeah, no, it appears when registering |
| 16:09 | the text doesn't seem to be editable tough | |
| 16:09 | (and I noticed a translation error... oops) | |
| 16:15 | cait | Memo to myself... ask for release notes early when pushing |
| 16:16 | ashimema | lol |
| 16:19 | cait | ashimema: shoudl this be new feature? def deserves some notes! |
| 16:19 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27378 | |
| 16:19 | huginn` | 04Bug 27378: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs documenting , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent |
| 16:19 | cait | cookie consent |
| 16:20 | ashimema | blimey |
| 16:20 | I forgot that was only actually pushed in this version | |
| 16:20 | cait | lol |
| 16:20 | will you work it out? | |
| 16:20 | ashimema | we've been running it in production for 3 years ;! |
| 16:21 | shame the follow-ups didn't all make it | |
| 16:21 | they make it a signficuantly more polished feature | |
| 16:21 | I really don't like it much as it is in master ☹️ | |
| 16:21 | tcohen[m] | The QA team will work harder next cycle |
| 16:21 | ashimema | but these things happen |
| 16:21 | lol | |
| 16:21 | cait | it was not in the queues |
| 16:22 | so don't blame QA | |
| 16:22 | just don't write "I don't like it like this' in the notes please | |
| 16:23 | ashimema | the follow-ups only hit the queues 10 days or so ago |
| 16:23 | it's just a shame it took so many years for the initial feature to work through | |
| 16:23 | it meant I had months to get my head back around to it for writing those follow-ups | |
| 16:23 | nywho | |
| 16:23 | adding notes now | |
| 16:25 | tcohen[m] | I'm fixing some minor things in the release scripts |
| 16:25 | after that I would like to wrap the release | |
| 16:25 | if there's something that needs a few more minutes | |
| 16:25 | keep me posted | |
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| 16:28 | ashimema | building now cait.. let me know if you think that's OK |
| 16:28 | cait | i am still writing notes |
| 16:28 | but you don't have to wait for me | |
| 16:28 | I'LL just write until last minute :) | |
| 16:29 | ashimema | Did aude catch you tcohen? |
| 16:29 | cait | maybe could have mentioned the word cookie banner - just missing a bit the user perspectice ;) |
| 16:29 | ashimema | I think she was hoping you might manually add a note about the new one manual to rule them all change |
| 16:30 | tcohen[m] | ashimema: nope |
| 16:30 | happy to add anything y'all need | |
| 16:30 | cait | i think circulation has some note gabs... but working on 2 in reports still |
| 16:36 | ashimema | there really is a surprisingly large amount in this release when you start going through the notes |
| 16:36 | 'tis huge | |
| 16:36 | aude_c[m] | tcohen can we please have bug 34955 mentioned please? I just added some release notes text |
| 16:36 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual (to rule them all) |
| 16:36 | aude_c[m] | You're welcome to correct the bug title! |
| 16:37 | cait | ashimema: sponsored line for 34737? |
| 16:37 | ashimema | ta |
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| 16:43 | ashimema | maybe just push an empty commit for bug 34955 tcohen |
| 16:43 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual |
| 16:43 | ashimema | that'll mean the release tools just pick it up for you 🙂 |
| 16:44 | git commit --allow-empty -m "Bug 34955: One Koha Manual" | |
| 16:47 | cait | I am not sure if we shoudl not have a new bugzilla category for the preservation module |
| 16:47 | it's currently a bit lost in Tools | |
| 16:47 | and we added one for ERM too | |
| 16:47 | ashimema | I've not played with it.. is it a fully fledge module |
| 16:47 | if so.. yes | |
| 16:47 | I can add one for you now | |
| 16:48 | cait | i'd day it is |
| 16:48 | * ashimema | still wishes it was just called 'Workflows' or something like that.. |
| 16:48 | ashimema | it feels like it could have been way more generic and re-usable |
| 16:48 | cait | has a new system preference tab too |
| 16:48 | caroline | I'd say so too, it's a button on the main page and in the More menu |
| 16:49 | cait | did you add? |
| 16:49 | ashimema | OK |
| 16:49 | I need | |
| 16:49 | cait | I'll group the bugs |
| 16:49 | yes? | |
| 16:49 | ashimema | Component name: Preservations |
| 16:49 | Component description ? | |
| 16:49 | Default Assignee | |
| 16:49 | Default QA contact | |
| 16:50 | cait | maybe we can add that alter |
| 16:50 | Joubu? | |
| 16:50 | ashimema | Default CC list |
| 16:50 | cait | heh |
| 16:50 | ashimema | any takers |
| 16:50 | cait | all required? |
| 16:50 | caroline | I think it's Preservation without an s? |
| 16:51 | ashimema | done |
| 16:53 | cait | i wish we had a little more time |
| 16:53 | ashimema | always |
| 16:54 | cait | ashimema++ |
| 16:54 | ashimema | looks good |
| 16:54 | it's all works in the release notes now | |
| 16:55 | cait | hm? |
| 16:55 | ashimema | I just rebuilt to check it appears nicely |
| 16:55 | and it does | |
| 16:55 | 🙂 | |
| 16:56 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]a46e4889407aa3bfd | |
| 16:57 | I need to clock off and collect the kids | |
| 16:57 | but from my perspective we're pretty much there.. I don't have the brain power to do any more today at least 😜 | |
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| 17:21 | tcohen[m] | release notes generated in a few minutes |
| 17:22 | ashimema | 👍👏 |
| 17:25 | cait | fingers crossed |
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| 17:46 | tcohen[m] | ashimema: around? |
| 17:46 | can you zoom for 90 seconds? | |
| 17:46 | cait | oooh does he get to press the button? :) |
| 17:47 | tcohen[m] | nahw I just find a minor glitch on the schema files |
| 17:47 | cait | ah, boring |
| 17:48 | tcohen[m] | heh |
| 17:49 | ashimema | Sorry mate, driving |
| 18:01 | tcohen[m] | it's ok |
| 18:01 | 2117 commits | |
| 18:01 | 913 bugzilla reports | |
| 18:03 | cait | nice |
| 18:14 | mtj | hi team |
| 18:18 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 18:19 | tcohen[m] | hi mtj! |
| 18:19 | let's package all the maintenance branches! | |
| 18:19 | and 23.11 in a few :-D | |
| 18:20 | mtj | hi cait, tcohen[m] |
| 18:20 | tcohen[m]: ill do this today | |
| 18:29 | will start in 2 hours | |
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| 19:17 | cait | back |
| 19:36 | tcohen[m] | I'm leaving for tennis |
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