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| 08:00 | Zahid[m] | Hi, i have a problem with sending email notifications regarding patrons |
| 08:00 | on notice page for patron it says "Unhandled email failure, check the logs for further details" | |
| 08:00 | in which log file should i look | |
| 08:02 | i have configured smtp server and enable the notifications for patrons and patron category and on specfic patron | |
| 08:02 | i have not enable koha-plack on the server | |
| 08:03 | Joubu | watch the Koha logs with: tail -f /var/log/koha/*/*.log |
| 08:03 | you should enable koha-plack, there is no reason not to | |
| 08:04 | Zahid[m] | i have created new machine for koha in some other workplace. should this command gives me the the error ? |
| 08:12 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:17 | Joubu | run the tail -f command in a shell, then try to send an email to a patron |
| 08:18 | the error should be logged in one of the Koha file and displayed in the shell | |
| 08:36 | mtj, tuxayo: please, no more changes to jenkins config or job's config without Tomas or me agreed on it first. No more new jobs either. | |
| 09:05 | tcohen[m]: bug 35428 - may be a candidate for 23.11 | |
| 09:05 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35428 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , gulp po tasks do not clean temporary files |
| 09:14 | krimsonkharne[m] | morning all |
| 09:23 | MatthewBlenkinsop[m] | If anyone is looking for a Vue bug to signoff / QA to get some experience with the VueJS code then bug 32474 is a useful one that needs reviewing! |
| 09:23 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs Signoff , Implement infinite scroll in vue-select |
| 09:27 | Joubu | MatthewBlenkinsop[m]: are we stil waiting for this one?! |
| 09:30 | MatthewBlenkinsop[m] | Yep... |
| 10:16 | Joubu | lukeg: see bug 32770 comment 16 |
| 10:16 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32770 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Patron search field groups no longer exist |
| 10:16 | Joubu | @later tell lukeg see bug 32770 comment 16 |
| 10:16 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:17 | * cait | waves |
| 10:23 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 10:31 | tcohen[m] | morning #koha o/ |
| 10:32 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen[m]! |
| 10:32 | Joubu | @later tell lukeg and 33211 comment 8 |
| 10:32 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:37 | Joubu | and I don't know what I am the one who is dealing with 6 months old selenium failures in oldoldstable... |
| 10:55 | cait | :( |
| 11:02 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Joubu" (28 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/31024 |
| 11:19 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:32 | Joubu | restarting weblate, sorry! |
| 11:35 | khall joined #koha | |
| 11:59 | krimsonkharne[m] | today I'm jumping from one meeting to the next... hope I'll be free in time for the doc meeting |
| 12:11 | tcohen[m] | https://docs.weblate.org/en/la[…]tistics-generator |
| 12:11 | ^^ Joubu | |
| 12:16 | cait | similar here withmeetings... what happend to a nice and quiet end of year? |
| 12:20 | krimsonkharne[m] | yeah, no kidding cait |
| 12:21 | Annelisterman[m] | maybe it starts in December? |
| 12:33 | paulderscheid[m] | ashimema around? |
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| 12:48 | cait | one can only hope |
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| 13:22 | tcohen[m] | koha++ |
| 13:22 | community++ | |
| 13:22 | Joubu++ | |
| 13:22 | I love to see a green jenkins | |
| 13:37 | krimsonkharne[m] | I can't make it to the meeting today... sorry aude_c and Doc Team :-( |
| 13:38 | aude_c[m] | Oh :-( Thanks for lettings us know anyway! |
| 13:38 | See you Friday for the workshop? | |
| 13:38 | (We're totally winging it, right? ;-) ) | |
| 13:38 | krimsonkharne[m] | yes definitely, I made sure to keep that timeslot free |
| 13:39 | yep :D | |
| 13:39 | at least I can find time tomorrow to go through my notes for Friday again though | |
| 13:39 | ashimema | hi |
| 13:39 | cait | hello |
| 13:39 | ashimema | but also same... hoping from one meeting to the next.. it's painful aint it |
| 13:40 | got a little interlude at the minute | |
| 13:40 | lol.. "just wing it" seems to be the way at the minute.. no time for actual planning | |
| 13:41 | aude_c[m] | Oh in this case it's partly on purpose! 😄 |
| 13:41 | And we're not wholly unprepared... We just chose not to have a structure. | |
| 13:41 | And we'll see how that works 😉 | |
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| 13:44 | ashimema | cool |
| 13:44 | better than me then.. preparing all my company meeting presentations on the train to the company meeting | |
| 13:47 | marie-luce joined #koha | |
| 13:52 | cait | you got internet on the train? :) |
| 13:52 | ashimema | meeting was last week |
| 13:52 | and I wrote a lot of it offline 😜 | |
| 13:52 | ktd is awesome | |
| 13:52 | cait | true |
| 13:52 | ashimema | i'm back home now.. just trying to catch up on support, admin and the rest of my backlog |
| 13:53 | oh.. and write up my notes from all those meetings to ensure I don't miss anything I was meant to do after them | |
| 13:56 | aude_c[m] | Warning: the Koha Documentation meeting will start in about 5min and we'll be using IRC for minutes. |
| 13:56 | Everyone is welcome to join us! 🙂 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_29_November_2023 | |
| 13:58 | * oleonard | bbl |
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| 14:02 | caroline | I will join in ~10 minutes, see you soon! |
| 14:02 | marie-luce | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-11-29 |
| 14:02 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Nov 29 14:02:31 2023 UTC. The chair is marie-luce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:02 | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2023_11_29' | |
| 14:02 | marie-luce | #chair marie-luce |
| 14:02 | huginn` | Current chairs: marie-luce |
| 14:02 | marie-luce | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_29_November_2023 |
| 14:03 | #topic Introductions | |
| 14:03 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott ByWater Solutions USA |
| 14:03 | marie-luce | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 14:03 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 14:03 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc |
| 14:04 | aude_c[m] | #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 14:04 | marie-luce | we are also online https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationMeeting |
| 14:06 | aude_c[m] | #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 14:07 | #info Rasa Satinskiene, PTFS Europe, UK | |
| 14:08 | marie-luce | #topic Review of action points |
| 14:09 | #info Lucy and Aude to log a Documentation bug about expanding the Notices section | |
| 14:09 | #info this project is on ice for the moment. | |
| 14:10 | #topic plan online Documentation workshops | |
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| 14:10 | marie-luce | #info Workshops are planned between 1 December and 24 January |
| 14:10 | lds joined #koha | |
| 14:11 | marie-luce | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Drop-in_sessions |
| 14:11 | #topic Project updates | |
| 14:12 | #topic maintaining one Koha manual | |
| 14:13 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34955 | |
| 14:13 | huginn` | 04Bug 34955: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual (to rule them all) |
| 14:15 | marie-luce | #info At the moment, Aude suggested to use a new URL for the manual like this one https://koha-community.org/manual/main/en/html/ |
| 14:16 | Joubu | we don't need 'main' ;) |
| 14:17 | marie-luce | #info There are some concerns about a new URL, since all documention are currently pointing to the URL mentioning "latest" https://koha-community.org/man[…]n/html/index.html |
| 14:18 | please join us at https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationMeeting | |
| 14:18 | ashimema | we happy just using '/latest' or just skipping version entirely in the url Joubu? |
| 14:18 | I'm happy to do this bit.. just been volunteered 😉 | |
| 14:18 | Joubu | If we don't keep older versions, we just need https://koha-community.org/manual/:lang/:format |
| 14:18 | eg. https://koha-community.org/manual/en/html/ | |
| 14:19 | ashimema | makes sense to me |
| 14:19 | Joubu | ha! |
| 14:19 | marie-luce | #action Martin will discuss with Jonathan about the URL link |
| 14:20 | Joubu | the old versions of Koha will point to the existing URLs |
| 14:20 | yes, let discuss that later ;) | |
| 14:20 | ashimema | yup.. unless we backport the change |
| 14:20 | Joubu | we can still redirect |
| 14:20 | marie-luce | #topic What's new page: what do we want? |
| 14:20 | ashimema | but I kinda like the idea of the older version specific ones slowly dissapearing rather than just going going gone |
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| 14:21 | marie-luce | #info Aude and Caroline are working on a new manual section to promote news features |
| 14:22 | #link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/747 | |
| 14:22 | #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]tml/whatsnew.html | |
| 14:26 | #agreed We agreed that the list of new system preferences will be very useful to encourage users to read about them. | |
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| 14:30 | marie-luce | #info At the moment, Caroline has copied text from the manual to add descriptions of new features. |
| 14:32 | #idea Maybe, we could find a way to automate description texts in the "What's new" page. | |
| 14:33 | #info If it's new, it goes on this page. | |
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| 14:36 | marie-luce | #info This page "What's new" is not indexed yet. It will be added on the home page. |
| 14:36 | #link https://davidnind.gitlab.io/koha-docs-reorganise/ | |
| 14:38 | #topic How to format notes - aka rainbow | |
| 14:39 | #idea Caroline has suggested to format notes in green | |
| 14:39 | #link https://snipboard.io/lTtcdQ.jpg | |
| 14:40 | example of "Tip" format | |
| 14:40 | #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]ip2sortbinmapping | |
| 14:41 | "Attention" and "Note" examples | |
| 14:41 | #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]astpatronactivity | |
| 14:43 | Rasa left #koha | |
| 14:43 | marie-luce | #agreed We agreed that when something is removed or moved, we should use a "attention" note in orange |
| 14:44 | #agreed We agreed to use the "green note" for the version. | |
| 14:44 | #action Caroline will add the CSS in the manual for the green note. | |
| 14:45 | #topic 4... free discussion about what's belong to the manual | |
| 14:46 | #info Aude is suggesting to change the manual structure. | |
| 14:46 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]-_Tips_and_Tricks | |
| 14:49 | #action This point "What's belong to the manual" will be discussed in the next meeting. | |
| 14:50 | #info Next meeting: Wednesday 31 January 15:00 UTC | |
| 14:52 | #topic This friday, we will hosting a documentation meeting. Please, join us. | |
| 14:52 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Drop-in_sessions | |
| 14:52 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:53 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Nov 29 14:52:59 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:53 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-11-29-14.02.html | |
| 14:53 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-11-29-14.02.txt | |
| 14:53 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]29-14.02.log.html | |
| 14:54 | aude_c[m] | marie-luce++ |
| 14:54 | Thanks again for doing the minutes! | |
| 14:54 | caroline | marie-luce++ aude_c++ |
| 14:55 | marie-luce | :) |
| 14:55 | ashimema | just heading out on the school run now, but will be working a bit this evening so I'll get my actions done 🙂 |
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| 15:03 | aude_c[m] | ashimema++ |
| 15:04 | And thanks Joubu for your comments on the Manual link! Sounds like we don't need "main" then 😄 | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | https://koha-community.org/man[…]preservation.html |
| 15:13 | Amaury++ | |
| 15:18 | marie-luce | #endmeeting |
| 15:20 | oleonard_ | Seeking opinions: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=35145#c3 |
| 15:20 | huginn` | 04Bug 35145: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, emily-rose.francoeur, Needs Signoff , Add ability to order patron attributes |
| 15:20 | oleonard_ | Comment 3 |
| 15:22 | caroline | I think that usually in Koha, things without a display order would be considered "0", so in first place (e.g. news, numbering patterns, etc) |
| 15:24 | oleonard | I can see a librarian thinking, "I set this to 1, why isn't it in first place?" but I guess news has the same issue. |
| 15:24 | caroline | yes, it's a bit annoying, as with january being 0 in numbering patterns |
| 15:24 | (I,m neck deep in serials, does it show? :) ) | |
| 15:25 | oleonard | :D |
| 15:26 | aude_c[m] | I think if it matches how the order / ranking works in other parts of Koha, it won't be a problem (and I quickly learnt that '0' gets to the top! 😅) |
| 15:26 | Joubu | I feel sleepy, but it feels too open |
| 15:26 | why not make the table sortable? | |
| 15:26 | also a thing to take into account: attributes can be hidden to some libraries | |
| 15:27 | oleonard | Joubu: It's more about expectations for how it will be ordered when displayed to the user |
| 15:27 | Joubu: Making the table sortable will be a nice improvement but not required for the initial bug I think | |
| 15:27 | aude_c[m] | Why not make the fields available on the registration form drag and drop into the form in the order one wants? :P |
| 15:28 | (Ok, I will leave now...) | |
| 15:28 | caroline | lol! |
| 15:28 | Joubu | how ordered? from 1..N? |
| 15:28 | oleonard | aude_c[m]: "This attribute of my self is the most important, it should go first!" |
| 15:29 | aude_c[m] | Hehe |
| 15:29 | Joubu | order by number asc (with number default to 0), and another order (the existing one) |
| 15:29 | so if 0 == 0 it does not move up and down depending on how rows get fetched | |
| 15:30 | aude_c[m] | that makes sense. Gives the option to change from how it currently works - or not |
| 15:31 | oleonard | In the display, an empty value is first in the order, then 0, 1, ... |
| 15:32 | That does match news | |
| 15:32 | Joubu | we should force it to be a number |
| 15:32 | and rename "number"... | |
| 15:33 | oleonard | Joubu: We don't want to force the user to enter a value |
| 15:33 | Joubu | then default to 0 when it's empty :) |
| 15:33 | oleonard | I think that makes sense |
| 15:35 | ...but if we want to be consistent we should leave it as it is, since it matches news | |
| 15:35 | Or change both | |
| 15:36 | caroline | serial numbering patterns also default to empty |
| 15:37 | https://snipboard.io/7u5v6i.jpg | |
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| 16:28 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone seen this from ktd before?" (11 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/31051 |
| 16:43 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:45 | caroline | Do y'all know what this "results loaded" line is? It only appears on one client opac (that we've found) https://snipboard.io/mHrQPn.jpg |
| 16:46 | the others don't have it https://snipboard.io/DB3gEk.jpg | |
| 16:47 | oleonard | caroline: My guess is that it only appears when the number of results exceeds a certain number |
| 16:48 | caroline | I thought so too, I have over 100,000 results on each though |
| 16:49 | oleonard | I'm guessing the limit is higher, but the system caps the results at 100,000 in that case |
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| 16:49 | oleonard | (which if true, is a little confusing) |
| 16:50 | caroline | the number is 10,000 |
| 16:51 | oleonard | ? |
| 16:51 | caroline | it caps at 10,000 not 100,000 |
| 16:51 | unless that's not what you meant? | |
| 16:52 | oleonard | Oh you're right I misread |
| 16:52 | That makes even less sense. | |
| 16:53 | caroline | indeed |
| 16:54 | on yours, I search "a" and get 417343 results without that weird 10,000 results line https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-[…]pac-search.pl?q=a | |
| 17:45 | oleonard | I hope I'm not confused about how this feature works: Bug 35437 |
| 17:45 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , With CanMarkHoldsToPullAsLost, only cancel holds when no other items are available |
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| 18:16 | tuxayo | @later tell Joubu CI: noted. Does manually starting a build also needs coordination? |
| 18:16 | huginn` | tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:39 | Squidy | Hi.. When patrons try to reserve an item on OPAC, they receive the message: "This title cannot be requested". |
| 18:40 | I really don't know what is happening.. | |
| 18:40 | Can you help me/ | |
| 18:40 | ? | |
| 18:40 | oleonard | Squidy: Do you have a "Holds allowed" value set in your circulation rules? |
| 18:42 | Squidy: https://snipboard.io/hwbkW8.jpg | |
| 18:45 | mtj | hi Joubu, about now |
| 18:47 | Squidy | oleonard: Yes, I do... Take a look https://snipboard.io/Wi5YM4.jpg |
| 18:48 | oleonard | Does your rule apply to all item types and all patron categories? |
| 18:48 | And do your patrons and items all have valid categories/item types? | |
| 18:52 | Squidy | oleonard: Yes.. Patron category = All ......... Item type = All |
| 18:56 | oleonard: What's strange is the message in OPAC: This title cannot be requested. | |
| 18:56 | It looks like the problem is with the item.. | |
| 18:56 | oleonard | Does the item have a valid item type? |
| 18:58 | cait left #koha | |
| 19:04 | Squidy | oleonard: Yes.. https://snipboard.io/piwW4t.jpg |
| 19:10 | If I try to place hold in the staff interface, it works | |
| 19:16 | oleonard | Squidy: Do you have a value in the maxreserves system preference? |
| 19:19 | Squidy | Yes... 10 |
| 19:20 | tcohen[m] | @seen aleisha |
| 19:20 | huginn` | tcohen[m]: aleisha was last seen in #koha 6 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <aleisha> :D |
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| 20:15 | caroline | Squidy, here's what I would check: item type of the item, category of the patron, the circulation rule for that itemtype/categorycode combination for the specific library and the rule for all the libraries, in the circulation rules page, at the bottom, there is a hold section, check that for the specific library and for all libraries |
| 20:16 | I would also double check the item and the patron in the database to make sure the item type and category code are correct | |
| 20:16 | Sometimes things are displayed by default, but in the database it's not the correct code | |
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| 20:44 | Squidy | caroline: I checked and the settings seems to be correct... |
| 20:44 | select itype from items where barcode='XXXXX' | |
| 20:44 | It shows: itype: LIV | |
| 20:44 | LIV is the item type code.. | |
| 20:44 | In the Circulation Rule I verified and configured as you suggested. But it still does not work :-( | |
| 20:44 | caroline | weird... there must be something we're missing |
| 20:45 | the patron is not expired and doesn't have fines? | |
| 20:46 | Squidy | No fines and does not expired... Too weird.. |
| 20:50 | caroline | do you have more than one branch? |
| 20:57 | Squidy | No.. Only one.. |
| 20:59 | caroline | ok at least that simplifies things :) |
| 21:13 | @later tell ashimema I clicked on the youtube icon at the bottom of this page and it gives a 404 error https://ptfs-europe.com/product_support/koha/ | |
| 21:13 | huginn` | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:23 | lukeg | dcook_: you about? |
| 23:49 | jjlangel[m] | I'm shopping for a web host for my website, which includes Koha. Is there a list somewhere in the documentation that tells me what to look for? Does anyone have any recommendations? |
| 23:49 | dcook_ | lukeg: Ish! |
| 23:49 | Are you still around? | |
| 23:50 | jjlangel[m] no not really. You can Google around a bit for things like this thread: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pub[…]ember/055608.html | |
| 23:50 | Even though I'm involved with the conversations there... that's also 3 years old | |
| 23:51 | The actual resources used depends a lot on planned usage as well. | |
| 23:54 | jjlangel[m] | dcook_: Thanks -- that bit of text has been added to the wiki. I guess I was hoping for something a little more concrete ... although it looks like a lot of web hosting accounts offer 1G of RAM, so it rules a lot of them out. I'm running a single library with pretty low usage. |
| 23:55 | dcook_ | So a "web host" tends to be pretty limited in what they offer. You'll need a virtual private server for Koha |
| 23:55 | DigitalOcean, Linode, AWS, Azure, etc | |
| 23:56 | jjlangel[m] | dcook_: Yes, the magic words "root access" seem to move there pretty quickly. But even in the vps world, there seem to be a lot of questions I still cant answer. |
| 23:57 | dcook_ | That's why people end up using support vendors I think ;) |
| 23:58 | Digital Ocean's 4GB 2CPU 80GB SSD would probably be fine | |
| 23:58 | If you pay on demand, you can always tweak things later | |
| 23:59 | jjlangel[m] | Yes...I don't have that kind of budget |
| 23:59 | For a support vendor. I'll have to go look at Digital Ocean... | |
| 23:59 | dcook_ | DigitalOcean is just an example. i've never used them myself. |
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