IRC log for #koha, 2023-11-29

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08:00 Zahid[m] Hi, i have a problem with sending email notifications regarding patrons
08:00 on notice page for patron it says "Unhandled email failure, check the logs for further details"
08:00 in which log file should i look
08:02 i have configured smtp server and enable the notifications for patrons and patron category and on specfic patron
08:02 i have not enable koha-plack on the server
08:03 Joubu watch the Koha logs with: tail -f /var/log/koha/*/*.log
08:03 you should enable koha-plack, there is no reason not to
08:04 Zahid[m] i have created new machine for koha in some other workplace. should this command gives me the the error ?
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08:17 Joubu run the tail -f command in a shell, then try to send an email to a patron
08:18 the error should be logged in one of the Koha file and displayed in the shell
08:36 mtj, tuxayo: please, no more changes to jenkins config or job's config without Tomas or me agreed on it first. No more new jobs either.
09:05 tcohen[m]: bug 35428 - may be a candidate for 23.11
09:05 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35428 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , gulp po tasks do not clean temporary files
09:14 krimsonkharne[m] morning all
09:23 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] If anyone is looking for a Vue bug to signoff / QA to get some experience with the VueJS code then bug 32474 is a useful one that needs reviewing!
09:23 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs Signoff , Implement infinite scroll in vue-select
09:27 Joubu MatthewBlenkinsop[m]: are we stil waiting for this one?!
09:30 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] Yep...
10:16 Joubu lukeg: see bug 32770 comment 16
10:16 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32770 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Patron search field groups no longer exist
10:16 Joubu @later tell lukeg see bug 32770 comment 16
10:16 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:17 * cait waves
10:23 magnuse \o/
10:31 tcohen[m] morning #koha o/
10:32 magnuse ¡hola tcohen[m]!
10:32 Joubu @later tell lukeg and 33211 comment 8
10:32 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
10:37 Joubu and I don't know what I am the one who is dealing with 6 months old selenium failures in oldoldstable...
10:55 cait :(
11:02 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Joubu" (28 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/31024
11:19 oleonard o/
11:32 Joubu restarting weblate, sorry!
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11:59 krimsonkharne[m] today I'm jumping from one meeting to the next... hope I'll be free in time for the doc meeting
12:11 tcohen[m] https://docs.weblate.org/en/la[…]tistics-generator
12:11 ^^ Joubu
12:16 cait similar here withmeetings... what happend to a nice and quiet end of year?
12:20 krimsonkharne[m] yeah, no kidding cait
12:21 Annelisterman[m] maybe it starts in December?
12:33 paulderscheid[m] ashimema around?
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12:48 cait one can only hope
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13:22 tcohen[m] koha++
13:22 community++
13:22 Joubu++
13:22 I love to see a green jenkins
13:37 krimsonkharne[m] I can't make it to the meeting today... sorry aude_c and Doc Team :-(
13:38 aude_c[m] Oh :-( Thanks for lettings us know anyway!
13:38 See you Friday for the workshop?
13:38 (We're totally winging it, right? ;-) )
13:38 krimsonkharne[m] yes definitely, I made sure to keep that timeslot free
13:39 yep :D
13:39 at least I can find time tomorrow to go through my notes for Friday again though
13:39 ashimema hi
13:39 cait hello
13:39 ashimema but also same... hoping from one meeting to the next.. it's painful aint it
13:40 got a little interlude at the minute
13:40 lol.. "just wing it" seems to be the way at the minute.. no time for actual planning
13:41 aude_c[m] Oh in this case it's partly on purpose! 😄
13:41 And we're not wholly unprepared... We just chose not to have a structure.
13:41 And we'll see how that works 😉
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13:44 ashimema cool
13:44 better than me then.. preparing all my company meeting presentations on the train to the company meeting
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13:52 cait you got internet on the train? :)
13:52 ashimema meeting was last week
13:52 and I wrote a lot of it offline 😜
13:52 ktd is awesome
13:52 cait true
13:52 ashimema i'm back home now.. just trying to catch up on support, admin and the rest of my backlog
13:53 oh.. and write up my notes from all those meetings to ensure I don't miss anything I was meant to do after them
13:56 aude_c[m] Warning: the Koha Documentation meeting will start in about 5min and we'll be using IRC for minutes.
13:56 Everyone is welcome to join us! 🙂 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_29_November_2023
13:58 * oleonard bbl
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14:02 caroline I will join in ~10 minutes, see you soon!
14:02 marie-luce #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-11-29
14:02 huginn` Meeting started Wed Nov 29 14:02:31 2023 UTC.  The chair is marie-luce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2023_11_29'
14:02 marie-luce #chair marie-luce
14:02 huginn` Current chairs: marie-luce
14:02 marie-luce #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_29_November_2023
14:03 #topic Introductions
14:03 kellym #info Kelly McElligott ByWater Solutions USA
14:03 marie-luce please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes
14:03 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
14:03 marie-luce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc
14:04 aude_c[m] #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK
14:04 marie-luce we are also online https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationMeeting
14:06 aude_c[m] #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe, UK
14:07 #info Rasa Satinskiene, PTFS Europe, UK
14:08 marie-luce #topic Review of action points
14:09 #info Lucy and Aude to log a Documentation bug about expanding the Notices section
14:09 #info this project is on ice for the moment.
14:10 #topic plan online Documentation workshops
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14:10 marie-luce #info Workshops are planned between 1 December and 24 January
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14:11 marie-luce #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Drop-in_sessions
14:11 #topic Project updates
14:12 #topic maintaining one Koha manual
14:13 #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34955
14:13 huginn` 04Bug 34955: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual (to rule them all)
14:15 marie-luce #info At the moment, Aude suggested to use a new URL for the manual like this one https://koha-community.org/manual/main/en/html/
14:16 Joubu we don't need 'main' ;)
14:17 marie-luce #info There are some concerns about a new URL, since all documention are currently pointing to the URL mentioning "latest" https://koha-community.org/man[…]n/html/index.html
14:18 please join us at https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationMeeting
14:18 ashimema we happy just using '/latest' or just skipping version entirely in the url Joubu?
14:18 I'm happy to do this bit.. just been volunteered 😉
14:18 Joubu If we don't keep older versions, we just need https://koha-community.org/manual/:lang/:format
14:18 eg. https://koha-community.org/manual/en/html/
14:19 ashimema makes sense to me
14:19 Joubu ha!
14:19 marie-luce #action Martin will discuss with Jonathan about the URL link
14:20 Joubu the old versions of Koha will point to the existing URLs
14:20 yes, let discuss that later ;)
14:20 ashimema yup.. unless we backport the change
14:20 Joubu we can still redirect
14:20 marie-luce #topic What's new page: what do we want?
14:20 ashimema but I kinda like the idea of the older version specific ones slowly dissapearing rather than just going going gone
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14:21 marie-luce #info Aude and Caroline are working on a new manual section to promote news features
14:22 #link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/747
14:22 #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]tml/whatsnew.html
14:26 #agreed We agreed that the list of new system preferences will be very useful to encourage users to read about them.
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14:30 marie-luce #info At the moment, Caroline has copied text from the manual to add descriptions of new features.
14:32 #idea Maybe, we could find a way to automate description texts in the "What's new" page.
14:33 #info If it's new, it goes on this page.
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14:36 marie-luce #info This page "What's new" is not indexed yet. It will be added on the home page.
14:36 #link https://davidnind.gitlab.io/koha-docs-reorganise/
14:38 #topic How to format notes - aka rainbow
14:39 #idea Caroline has suggested to format notes in green
14:39 #link https://snipboard.io/lTtcdQ.jpg
14:40 example of "Tip" format
14:40 #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]ip2sortbinmapping
14:41 "Attention" and "Note" examples
14:41 #link https://koha-community.org/man[…]astpatronactivity
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14:43 marie-luce #agreed We agreed that when something is removed or moved, we should use a "attention" note in orange
14:44 #agreed We agreed to use the "green note" for the version.
14:44 #action Caroline will add the CSS in the manual for the green note.
14:45 #topic 4... free discussion about what's belong to the manual
14:46 #info Aude is suggesting to change the manual structure.
14:46 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]-_Tips_and_Tricks
14:49 #action This point "What's belong to the manual" will be discussed in the next meeting.
14:50 #info Next meeting:  Wednesday 31 January 15:00 UTC
14:52 #topic This friday, we will hosting a documentation meeting. Please, join us.
14:52 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Drop-in_sessions
14:52 #endmeeting
14:53 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Nov 29 14:52:59 2023 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:53 Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-11-29-14.02.html
14:53 Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-11-29-14.02.txt
14:53 Log:            https://meetings.koha-communit[…]29-14.02.log.html
14:54 aude_c[m] marie-luce++
14:54 Thanks again for doing the minutes!
14:54 caroline marie-luce++ aude_c++
14:55 marie-luce :)
14:55 ashimema just heading out on the school run now, but will be working a bit this evening so I'll get my actions done 🙂
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15:03 aude_c[m] ashimema++
15:04 And thanks Joubu for your comments on the Manual link! Sounds like we don't need "main" then 😄
15:13 Joubu https://koha-community.org/man[…]preservation.html
15:13 Amaury++
15:18 marie-luce #endmeeting
15:20 oleonard_ Seeking opinions: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=35145#c3
15:20 huginn` 04Bug 35145: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, emily-rose.francoeur, Needs Signoff , Add ability to order patron attributes
15:20 oleonard_ Comment 3
15:22 caroline I think that usually in Koha, things without a display order would be considered "0", so in first place (e.g. news, numbering patterns, etc)
15:24 oleonard I can see a librarian thinking, "I set this to 1, why isn't it in first place?" but I guess news has the same issue.
15:24 caroline yes, it's a bit annoying, as with january being 0 in numbering patterns
15:24 (I,m neck deep in serials, does it show? :) )
15:25 oleonard :D
15:26 aude_c[m] I think if it matches how the order / ranking works in other parts of Koha, it won't be a problem (and I quickly learnt that '0' gets to the top! 😅)
15:26 Joubu I feel sleepy, but it feels too open
15:26 why not make the table sortable?
15:26 also a thing to take into account: attributes can be hidden to some libraries
15:27 oleonard Joubu: It's more about expectations for how it will be ordered when displayed to the user
15:27 Joubu: Making the table sortable will be a nice improvement but not required for the initial bug I think
15:27 aude_c[m] Why not make the fields available on the registration form drag and drop into the form in the order one wants? :P
15:28 (Ok, I will leave now...)
15:28 caroline lol!
15:28 Joubu how ordered? from 1..N?
15:28 oleonard aude_c[m]: "This attribute of my self is the most important, it should go first!"
15:29 aude_c[m] Hehe
15:29 Joubu order by number asc (with number default to 0), and another order (the existing one)
15:29 so if 0 == 0 it does not move up and down depending on how rows get fetched
15:30 aude_c[m] that makes sense. Gives the option to change from how it currently works - or not
15:31 oleonard In the display, an empty value is first in the order, then 0, 1, ...
15:32 That does match news
15:32 Joubu we should force it to be a number
15:32 and rename "number"...
15:33 oleonard Joubu: We don't want to force the user to enter a value
15:33 Joubu then default to 0 when it's empty :)
15:33 oleonard I think that makes sense
15:35 ...but if we want to be consistent we should leave it as it is, since it matches news
15:35 Or change both
15:36 caroline serial numbering patterns also default to empty
15:37 https://snipboard.io/7u5v6i.jpg
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16:28 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone seen this from ktd before?" (11 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/31051
16:43 reiveune bye
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16:45 caroline Do y'all know what this "results loaded" line is? It only appears on one client opac (that we've found) https://snipboard.io/mHrQPn.jpg
16:46 the others don't have it https://snipboard.io/DB3gEk.jpg
16:47 oleonard caroline: My guess is that it only appears when the number of results exceeds a certain number
16:48 caroline I thought so too, I have over 100,000 results on each though
16:49 oleonard I'm guessing the limit is higher, but the system caps the results at 100,000 in that case
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16:49 oleonard (which if true, is a little confusing)
16:50 caroline the number is 10,000
16:51 oleonard ?
16:51 caroline it caps at 10,000 not 100,000
16:51 unless that's not what you meant?
16:52 oleonard Oh you're right I misread
16:52 That makes even less sense.
16:53 caroline indeed
16:54 on yours, I search "a" and get 417343 results without that weird 10,000 results line https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-[…]pac-search.pl?q=a
17:45 oleonard I hope I'm not confused about how this feature works: Bug 35437
17:45 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , With CanMarkHoldsToPullAsLost, only cancel holds when no other items are available
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18:16 tuxayo @later tell Joubu CI: noted. Does manually starting a build also needs coordination?
18:16 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
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18:39 Squidy Hi.. When patrons try to reserve an item on OPAC, they receive the message: "This title cannot be requested".
18:40 I really don't know what is happening..
18:40 Can you help me/
18:40 ?
18:40 oleonard Squidy: Do you have a "Holds allowed" value set in your circulation rules?
18:42 Squidy: https://snipboard.io/hwbkW8.jpg
18:45 mtj hi Joubu, about now
18:47 Squidy oleonard: Yes, I do... Take a look https://snipboard.io/Wi5YM4.jpg
18:48 oleonard Does your rule apply to all item types and all patron categories?
18:48 And do your patrons and items all have valid categories/item types?
18:52 Squidy oleonard: Yes.. Patron category = All ......... Item type = All
18:56 oleonard: What's strange is the message in OPAC: This title cannot be requested.
18:56 It looks like the problem is with the item..
18:56 oleonard Does the item have a valid item type?
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19:04 Squidy oleonard: Yes.. https://snipboard.io/piwW4t.jpg
19:10 If I try to place hold in the staff interface, it works
19:16 oleonard Squidy: Do you have a value in the maxreserves system preference?
19:19 Squidy Yes... 10
19:20 tcohen[m] @seen aleisha
19:20 huginn` tcohen[m]: aleisha was last seen in #koha 6 days, 21 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <aleisha> :D
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20:15 caroline Squidy, here's what I would check: item type of the item, category of the patron, the circulation rule for that itemtype/categorycode combination for the specific library and the rule for all the libraries, in the circulation rules page, at the bottom, there is a hold section, check that for the specific library and for all libraries
20:16 I would also double check the item and the patron in the database to make sure the item type and category code are correct
20:16 Sometimes things are displayed by default, but in the database it's not the correct code
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20:44 Squidy caroline: I checked and the settings seems to be correct...
20:44 select itype from items where barcode='XXXXX'
20:44 It shows: itype: LIV
20:44 LIV is the item type code..
20:44 In the Circulation Rule I verified and configured as you suggested. But it still does not work :-(
20:44 caroline weird... there must be something we're missing
20:45 the patron is not expired and doesn't have fines?
20:46 Squidy No fines and does not expired... Too weird..
20:50 caroline do you have more than one branch?
20:57 Squidy No.. Only one..
20:59 caroline ok at least that simplifies things :)
21:13 @later tell ashimema I clicked on the youtube icon at the bottom of this page and it gives a 404 error https://ptfs-europe.com/product_support/koha/
21:13 huginn` caroline: The operation succeeded.
23:23 lukeg dcook_: you about?
23:49 jjlangel[m] I'm shopping for a web host for my website, which includes Koha.  Is there a list somewhere in the documentation that tells me what to look for?  Does anyone have any recommendations?
23:49 dcook_ lukeg: Ish!
23:49 Are you still around?
23:50 jjlangel[m] no not really. You can Google around a bit for things like this thread: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pub[…]ember/055608.html
23:50 Even though I'm involved with the conversations there... that's also 3 years old
23:51 The actual resources used depends a lot on planned usage as well.
23:54 jjlangel[m] dcook_: Thanks -- that bit of text has been added to the wiki.  I guess I was hoping for something a little more concrete ... although it looks like a lot of web hosting accounts offer 1G of RAM, so it rules a lot of them out.  I'm running a single library with pretty low usage.
23:55 dcook_ So a "web host" tends to be pretty limited in what they offer. You'll need a virtual private server for Koha
23:55 DigitalOcean, Linode, AWS, Azure, etc
23:56 jjlangel[m] dcook_: Yes, the magic words "root access" seem to move there pretty quickly.  But even in the vps world, there seem to be a lot of questions I still cant answer.
23:57 dcook_ That's why people end up using support vendors I think ;)
23:58 Digital Ocean's 4GB 2CPU 80GB SSD would probably be fine
23:58 If you pay on demand, you can always tweak things later
23:59 jjlangel[m] Yes...I don't have that kind of budget
23:59 For a support vendor.  I'll have to go look at Digital Ocean...
23:59 dcook_ DigitalOcean is just an example. i've never used them myself.

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