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| 00:27 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
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| 07:30 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 07:33 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:42 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 07:42 | "zebrasrv(7) [fatal] Node node_zebra missing" anyone familiar with that message in the xebra output log? | |
| 07:42 | "koha-zebra --status" says zebra is running | |
| 07:44 | ah "koha-zebra --stop" does not change the status, so --status is probably lying | |
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| 08:01 | alex_ | Bonjour |
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| 09:08 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen you forgot to clear the po files (the junitmsgfmt command on the "release day" card) |
| 09:08 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:19 | Joubu | clean* |
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| 09:35 | AnkeB | Hi everybody! I just found the webinstaller not showing German Umlauts correctly; is this something known for 22.05? Not that it's too important, as long as the staff client and OPAC have the correct characters - and they seem to at first sight. |
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| 09:56 | Joubu | AnkeB: looks ok on master at least: "Web-Installer › Sprache auswählen" |
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| 10:16 | Furkan_ | Hello |
| 10:17 | When i want to borrow a book the failure type 500 appears | |
| 10:17 | what does that mean? | |
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| 11:35 | AnkeB | Thanks, @Joubu - maybe it was a local thing, I'll see when I create a new instance next time. |
| 11:38 | @Furkan, when exactly in the checkout process does the http 500 occur? Is this repeatable and does it occur on a different PC or webbrowser as well? | |
| 11:38 | huginn | AnkeB: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 11:43 | magnuse | gah! after upgrading a gitified koha to 22.05 about 2 weeks ago, and a full reindex last night, zebra is complaining about "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing" and "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information" |
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| 11:51 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:51 | AnkeB | Can anybody tell me what's the difference between authorized values CCODE and LOC regarding Koha functionality, or point me to a relevant documentation? |
| 11:51 | ashimema | silly question.. I've not tried in years... |
| 11:52 | does the 'Schedule' option work in the reports module? | |
| 11:52 | oleonard | AnkeB: There's no firm definition of either, so it's flexible. Both can be ways to limit catalog searches |
| 11:53 | AnkeB: LOC is used in fewer places, so less useful as a means of filtering data or reporting | |
| 11:54 | AnkeB: My library uses CCODE to define genres and formats, and then LOC to set special shelving locations for smaller subsets | |
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| 12:00 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | Hello everyone! |
| 12:00 | I'm having trouble updating my oha setup | |
| 12:01 | I am upgrading from Koha 22.06.00.063 to 22.11.00.000 | |
| 12:01 | and in the database update step | |
| 12:01 | AnkeB | Thanks oleonard - that's very helpful! How can one figure out in what places and for what LOC resp. CCODE is "used" by Koha? Is there any doc about this? |
| 12:02 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | And I receive "You can't specify target table 'systempreferences' for update" error message in installer line 739 |
| 12:03 | I dont't really know if I should ask this way, sorry if not. | |
| 12:04 | oleonard | AnkeB: I don't know if there is documentation about that |
| 12:07 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | I couldn't find it. |
| 12:07 | Will I have to reinstall from scratch? | |
| 12:08 | oleonard | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m]: Did you back up your database before starting the upgrade? |
| 12:09 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | I believe I did. |
| 12:10 | I can also backup it now using the console | |
| 12:12 | tcohen | hola #koha o/ |
| 12:12 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 12:13 | tcohen | \o |
| 12:13 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | hola |
| 12:14 | tcohen | Joubu: there were 7 failures in one language, and Bernardo said it was not a big deal |
| 12:14 | hola JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | |
| 12:14 | where are you from? | |
| 12:14 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | Soy de Argentina. |
| 12:14 | tcohen | eh |
| 12:14 | acá de Córdoba | |
| 12:15 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | 🇦🇷 |
| 12:15 | ¿Cómo andás? | |
| 12:15 | tcohen | estamos pensando en un evento de Koha en abril, en CABA |
| 12:16 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | ¡Qué bueno! ¡Me encantaría asistir! |
| 12:16 | tcohen | por qué estas usando 22.06.00.063? |
| 12:16 | eso es en producción? | |
| 12:16 | o es de 22.05 a 22.11 y falló en ese paso? | |
| 12:17 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | Falló en el cambio de 22.06 a 22.11 |
| 12:17 | Trabajo bibliotecas escolares de nivel secundario y tengo el koha de una de ellas en mi notebook. | |
| 12:18 | tcohen | hablemos por privado |
| 12:18 | JuanPabloSalvaneschi[m] | ok |
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| 12:47 | Joubu | tcohen: there is a failure on de-DE and that breaks the UI |
| 12:50 | tcohen | that command didn't raise any issue with de-DE |
| 12:50 | can you help me understand what I did wrong please? | |
| 12:52 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Joubu: this" (16 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/19203 |
| 12:52 | Joubu | junitmsgfmt misc/translator/po/de-DE* |
| 12:52 | the command is 'junitmsgfmt', not 'msgfmt' | |
| 12:53 | * oleonard | thought a cat was walking on Joubu's keyboard |
| 12:54 | * tcohen | too |
| 12:54 | tcohen | Joubu: I'll add translate-toolkit to the KTD images... |
| 12:55 | mtj: | |
| 12:55 | around? | |
| 12:56 | we might need you to delay the packages | |
| 12:56 | mtj | hi tcohen, i am about..ish |
| 12:57 | cait | tcohen: re translation errors: they are a big deal |
| 12:57 | mtj | ...should we remove 22.05 from apt repo, for now? |
| 12:57 | ...should we remove 22.11 from apt repo, for now? | |
| 12:58 | cait | tcohen: it breaks the translation script so only some files are copied for the language and whole pages are missing/remain English |
| 12:58 | mtj | s/22.05/22.11/ |
| 12:58 | tcohen | yes |
| 12:58 | I'll fix the translations and let you know | |
| 12:58 | mtj | hi cait :) |
| 12:58 | tcohen | thank you, mtj |
| 12:58 | cait | i fixed for German, but only pootle for now of course - got reports the start page remained English :( |
| 13:00 | tcohen | it is ok |
| 13:00 | cait | it't not great, but probably not warrants a new package |
| 13:00 | tcohen | but this workflow won't work |
| 13:00 | we should provide some way to test translations in advance | |
| 13:00 | cait | I used to download and test with poedit, but I missed it this time (more annoyed at myself) |
| 13:01 | lilliputech was working on a script | |
| 13:01 | that woudl automatically set the offending strings to fuzzy | |
| 13:01 | that would be helpful | |
| 13:01 | it would avoid bigger breakages | |
| 13:02 | tcohen | right now I don't know what to do |
| 13:02 | I can fix de-DE, done it | |
| 13:02 | but what about the rest of the languageS? | |
| 13:03 | mtj | okay, 22.11 pkgs are removed |
| 13:03 | we can do a bit more testing, and add them back | |
| 13:04 | tcohen: anything i can do re: testing langs? | |
| 13:04 | tcohen | mtj: we should do it before releasing, maybe we should just have tests for that? |
| 13:05 | mtj | agreed |
| 13:05 | cait | i think the translations are pushed rather late usually |
| 13:05 | the easiest fix is to set fuzzy, then the scripts ignore the faulty ones | |
| 13:05 | mtj | silly question, do we have a way to detect pootle/.po file errors? |
| 13:05 | cait | but the translators don't learn about the mistakes... so that's something that's not ideal |
| 13:06 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]translation_files | |
| 13:06 | mtj: that script found the fatal ones - but pootle didn't alert me | |
| 13:07 | pootle catches some errors, but apparently some fatal ones ot | |
| 13:07 | not | |
| 13:07 | tcohen | ok, I wasn't following that page |
| 13:08 | mtj | would be good to get jenkins running a test using 'junitmsgfmt', before releases |
| 13:09 | tcohen | yeah |
| 13:09 | it is a workflow problem | |
| 13:09 | because we would need the translators | |
| 13:09 | to be aware they need to address things on the release dates | |
| 13:09 | so I think cait's idea of just marking them fuzzy would do it | |
| 13:11 | mtj | hmm yeah - but the workaround of marking them fuzzy means they might never be fixed 'upstream' |
| 13:12 | upstream meaning .. in pootle | |
| 13:12 | tcohen | yeah, that's my fear |
| 13:12 | mtj | but hey... fuzzy is the best option, at the moment :) |
| 13:13 | tcohen | we need a task that retrieves the po files and runs junitmsgfmt |
| 13:13 | and (maybe) notifies koha-translate@... | |
| 13:13 | what do you think? | |
| 13:15 | cait | that could work, some kind of report |
| 13:15 | perplexedtheta | Hello! Just a quick one - when building packages for 21.11, I'm getting:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]vMlGvWgyVmSrrHMIe>) |
| 13:15 | Best to raise a bug, or leave it here? | |
| 13:16 | mtj | tcohen: its a good idea |
| 13:17 | tcohen | mtj: do you have some spare time to try ? |
| 13:18 | ashimema | raise a bug perplexedtheta , my gut says it's no longer needed. |
| 13:22 | mtj | hi perplexedtheta, make sure to run ./debian/update-control script before building |
| 13:24 | as the ./debian/control file can sometimes be a bit 'out-or-date' | |
| 13:25 | http://apt.kohaaloha.com/koha-staging/deb/dev/ | |
| 13:26 | oops | |
| 13:26 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/koha/deb/21.11.x/ | |
| 13:26 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/koha/[…]21.11.x/build.log | |
| 13:27 | you can see the 'updated' deb/control file... | |
| 13:27 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/koha/deb/21.11.x/control | |
| 13:28 | and the diff/patch... | |
| 13:28 | http://deb.kohaaloha.com/koha/[…]1.x/control.patch | |
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| 13:32 | Joubu | tcohen: When I released 18.05 I've emailed koha-translate about the different problems found in pos, but they didn't get fixed |
| 13:32 | same problem appears over and over again | |
| 13:32 | I am talking about the "format" problem, in "messages" | |
| 13:33 | the other critical problems are "fixed" by removing the translation, or marking as fuzzy (what cait said) | |
| 13:34 | tcohen | we need to think about this |
| 13:34 | Joubu | see also the "Fix translations" commits on the stable branches |
| 13:34 | tcohen | do we have some sort of 'language maintainer'? |
| 13:34 | Joubu | that's something rmaints are used to it |
| 13:35 | cait | fuzzying is a good first step |
| 13:35 | tcohen: we have a translation manager | |
| 13:35 | tcohen | that's not enough |
| 13:35 | cait | I don't there is anything someone coudl do |
| 13:35 | Joubu | > I am talking about the "format" problem, in "messages" - I meant "count" |
| 13:35 | cait | aprt from sending a mail to the koha-translate mailing list at tops |
| 13:35 | Joubu | msgid "There is one archived suggestion." |
| 13:35 | msgid_plural "There are {count} archived suggestions." | |
| 13:35 | those ones | |
| 13:35 | tcohen | most of the things I'm fuzzing are related to languages missing plural forms |
| 13:36 | cait | ok, i might placeholder bugs |
| 13:36 | tcohen | so it is really up to the translators, not the manager |
| 13:36 | Joubu | tcohen: cherry-pick might work |
| 13:36 | cait | I made placeholder mistakes (what I wanted to say) |
| 13:36 | tcohen | yeah, I'm going through all the errors now |
| 13:36 | cait | but those don#t come out as fatal do they? |
| 13:36 | the fatal ones are the issue | |
| 13:36 | tcohen | and fixed those that are placeholder errors |
| 13:36 | everything is fatal for this junitmsgfmt command | |
| 13:36 | heh | |
| 13:37 | cait | hmmm maybe because i didn#t have those, I only tested de-DE yesterday |
| 13:37 | https://paste.koha-community.org/19168 < these were my errors and the fixes | |
| 13:41 | mtj | tcohen: i have some spare time, but will wait until the morning (too sleepy now) |
| 13:44 | perplexedtheta | mtj: didn't know about ./debian/update-control! I'll add that to our CI scripts |
| 13:45 | tcohen | hehe |
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| 14:17 | caroline | I tried reading back, but I don't really understand the translation problem... Is it that errors in translation break the staff interface main page? |
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| 14:58 | Joubu | caroline: if there is an error the translated templates are not installed |
| 14:59 | well actually the process stops in the middle, so only some templates are installed/updated | |
| 14:59 | caroline | yeesh, it's worse than I thought |
| 15:00 | ashimema | my head hurts.. I was hoping to get back up to speed and stuff before any quick release stuff needed to happen 😜 |
| 15:00 | no such luck | |
| 15:01 | * ashimema | goes to read the release maintance page again to see what he's forgotten in the years since he was last an rmain |
| 15:01 | * goes to read the release maintance page again to see what he's forgotten in the years since he was last an rmaint | |
| 15:11 | tcohen | @later tell mtj the translations fix is already on the 22.11.x branch |
| 15:11 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:11 | tcohen | ashimema: I recommend the taiga page as well |
| 15:12 | we should move the taiga stuff into the wiki | |
| 15:14 | ashimema | Yes |
| 15:14 | I'll read both | |
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| 15:29 | ashimema | And try to combine.. I like single sources of truth |
| 15:30 | Such a shame it took so many years to update the wiki.. many just gave up on it so things ended up more spread out instead | |
| 15:31 | tcohen | we are almost there |
| 15:32 | the maintenance page is only missing a couple bits | |
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| 15:37 | lukeg | hi |
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| 16:22 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:29 | tcohen | hi lukeg |
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| 17:23 | oleonard | I wonder if anyone has tried loading the UNIMARC test data recently. I get an error when searching the catalog |
| 17:23 | Unsupported UNIMARC character encoding [] for XML output for UNIMARC; 100$a -> Blundell, Judy. at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/File/XML.pm line 570 | |
| 17:27 | tcohen | bug 30943 |
| 17:27 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30943 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make background job classes use helpers |
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| 19:33 | ShaneS[m] | Can I modify the length allowed for a barcode? |
| 19:34 | cait[m] | you probably could, but why so long barcodes? |
| 19:35 | ShaneS[m] | I like to use the Serial Numbers of devices that come in, but many are too long. IE we put chromebooks in as we assigned them to students and they are like 22-24 characters long |
| 19:35 | Just helps to duplicate the barcode they have and also have a quick reference on the "Checkouts" to the device serial | |
| 19:36 | without having to edit or anything | |
| 19:37 | cait[m] | you can probably extend the column - it's the only place it's referenced in the db |
| 19:37 | but you might want to consider using labels after all , that can be scanned | |
| 19:41 | ShaneS[m] | Thank you, I just wanted to check before I blew it up :) |
| 19:43 | cait[m] | well, i'd test thorougly, but it has been done in the past I think |
| 19:44 | ShaneS[m] | I feel like I did it with an older version at a different job |
| 19:45 | For the same exact reason | |
| 19:45 | When we are doing support chat/calls, just helps to be able to pull up a student, expand checkouts, and have their device serial number right there :) | |
| 19:46 | Using a shorter number not, and we have to click Edit Items, or go to the Items list to see the individual series in one the fields | |
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| 20:16 | fridolin | Bug 29392 |
| 20:16 | bugzilla does not respond | |
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