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| 00:23 | mario joined #koha | |
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| 01:08 | dpk1 | Hello. I could use some help. Was upgrading Koha 3.22.06 to 3.22.07 using debian packages on debian and all looked fine, but when trying to login to the admin interface, I am thrown at the installer. The DB update script appears to have run but logfile (intranet-error.log) says the database needs updating. Rerunning updatedatabase.pl from commandline produces no indication of errors or further updates. Any ideas? |
| 01:11 | rangi | does the last db update, update the version number? |
| 01:12 | dpk1 | rootlibrary:/var/lib/mysql.dumps# /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
| 01:12 | Upgrade to 3.22.06.001 done (Bug 16217 - Notice' names may have diverged) | |
| 01:12 | At least one authorised value has an icon defined (imageurl) | |
| 01:12 | The system preference AuthorisedValueImages or StaffAuthorisedValueImages could be turned off if you are not aware of this feature | |
| 01:12 | Upgrade to 3.22.06.002 done (Bug 16041 - StaffAuthorisedValueImages & AuthorisedValueImages preferences - impact on search performance) | |
| 01:12 | Upgrade to 3.22.06.003 done (Bug 16170 - Add FK for biblionumber in items) | |
| 01:12 | Upgrade to 3.22.06.004 done (Bug 16402: Fix DB structure to work on MySQL 5.7) | |
| 01:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16217 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Notice' names may have diverged |
| 01:12 | dpk1 | Upgrade to 3.22.06.005 done (Bug 15086 - Creators layout and template sql has warnings) |
| 01:12 | Upgrade to 3.22.07.000 done (Koha 3.22.7) | |
| 01:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16041 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , StaffAuthorisedValueImages & AuthorisedValueImages preferences - impact on search performance |
| 01:12 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16170 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Pseudo foreign key in Items | |
| 01:12 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16402 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , DB structure cannot be loaded in MySQL 5.7 | |
| 01:12 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15086 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Creators layout and template sql has warnings | |
| 01:13 | rangi | looks good, are you running with plack or anything like that? |
| 01:13 | dpk1 | No. |
| 01:13 | rangi | hmm, the way koha knows it should do an update is when the version number in the syspref is lower than the one in Koha.pm |
| 01:14 | dpk1 | Restarted mysqld just to make sure it had not cached something erroneously. |
| 01:14 | rangi | hmm, the way koha knows it should do an update is when the version number in the syspref is lower than the one in Koha.pm |
| 01:14 | wahanui | i already had it that way, rangi. |
| 01:14 | rangi | ah ha |
| 01:14 | bug | |
| 01:14 | if ( CheckVersion($DBversion) ) { | |
| 01:14 | print "Upgrade to $DBversion done (Koha 3.22.7)\n"; | |
| 01:14 | SetVersion($DBversion); | |
| 01:14 | } | |
| 01:15 | ah no, i misread that is right | |
| 01:15 | you could check the value in the syspref to make sure it is the same as in Koha.pm | |
| 01:16 | wizzyrea | I did a 3.22.05 -> 3.22.07 earlier with no trouble |
| 01:16 | dpk1 | Which Koha.pm, I see one in koha/lib, and koha/lib/C4 |
| 01:16 | This is the error message: | |
| 01:16 | [Wed Jun 08 02:06:57 2016] [error] [client 71.212.29.4] [Wed Jun 8 02:06:57 2016] 404.pl: Database update needed, redirecting to Installer. Database is 3.2206000 and Koha is 3.2207000 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 713., referer: http://catalogue-admin.efdss.o[…]p=updatestructure | |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | definitely looks like you have a version mismatch somehow |
| 01:18 | rangi | memcache? |
| 01:18 | wahanui | memcache is easy |
| 01:18 | dpk1 | Yup. We got memcache. |
| 01:19 | rangi | try restarting it |
| 01:19 | dpk1 | Ack. |
| 01:20 | Score! | |
| 01:21 | Me thinks we could detect this is running and either initiate the restart in the upgrade script or at least warn… | |
| 01:23 | rangi | yep |
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| 01:34 | dpk1 | Thanks rangi. |
| 01:34 | rangi++ | |
| 01:35 | rangi | no worries |
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| 02:22 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
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| 03:00 | mtompset | Well, I'm going to finish my netflix video and get to bed. Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha |
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| 04:47 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 05:09 | drojf | wizzyrea++ |
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| 06:22 | fridolin | hie |
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| 06:29 | LibraryClaire | Morning #koha |
| 06:36 | drojf | guten morgen LibraryClaire |
| 06:36 | LibraryClaire | Guten morgen drojf |
| 06:43 | * cait | waves and runs out |
| 06:51 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:51 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:52 | LibraryClaire | Hi reiveune |
| 06:53 | reiveune | salut LibraryClaire |
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| 07:10 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:10 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
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| 08:05 | eythian | I could still be asleep right now |
| 08:06 | liw | I would be, were it not for an uncaring world and thunderstorm |
| 08:07 | Diman joined #koha | |
| 08:07 | eythian | it's warm and humid here, the forecast thunderstorms almost never appear. |
| 08:07 | actually, not that warm. It just felt it biking in I guess. | |
| 08:07 | @wunder ams | |
| 08:07 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 17.2°C (9:57 AM CEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:08 | liw | @wunder helsinki |
| 08:08 | huginn` | liw: The current temperature in Helsinki, Finland is 13.0°C (10:50 AM EEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:22 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:22 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 22.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:22 | drojf | oh, irc meeting |
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| 08:26 | barbara_ | Good morning from the shinny limassol - Cyprus :) |
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| 08:39 | magnuse joined #koha | |
| 08:39 | * magnuse | waves from oslo |
| 08:50 | magnuse | libraries that are open without any staff, is that a thing outside scandinavia too? |
| 08:51 | eythian | I'm not aware of it, but it wouldn't be impossible in small towns I expect. |
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| 09:04 | magnuse | eythian: hehe, it's a big thing here |
| 09:04 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 09:05 | magnuse | you have to sign in with your library card and pin code, but then you typically get access to the library from 7 am to 11 pm, even if the staff is only there from 8 am to 4 pm |
| 09:05 | drojf | hi again |
| 09:05 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 09:05 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 09:10 | * magnuse | is promoting himself at a library conf mostly about electronic journals and open access |
| 09:11 | magnuse | the conf is in the building of the CS department of the university of oslo |
| 09:11 | rooms here have names like shell, sed and perl :-) | |
| 09:12 | drojf | cool :D |
| 09:12 | magnuse | the buliding is named after the guy who invented object oriented programming |
| 09:17 | drojf | magnuse: are you speaking there? |
| 09:20 | magnuse | nope, i just have a stand as part of the exhibition |
| 09:23 | drojf | ah ok |
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| 09:41 | mveron | Hi #koha |
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| 09:57 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
| 09:57 | huginn` | mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 17.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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| 10:09 | * cait | waves |
| 10:10 | * mveron | waves |
| 10:10 | cait | do we have a meeting? |
| 10:10 | thd` | One is scheduled. |
| 10:11 | cait | i just saw the email |
| 10:11 | if enough people are here we can have one | |
| 10:11 | but i have to grab the delivered lunch first to keep it save :) | |
| 10:11 | or someone else can chair of course | |
| 10:12 | davidnind | hopefully there are enough of us |
| 10:13 | thd` | People who have the delivered lunch should be awake enough to chair ;) |
| 10:14 | cait | ok back |
| 10:14 | but... it's getting cold! :) | |
| 10:14 | #startmeeting General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016 | |
| 10:14 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 10:14:43 2016 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:14 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:14 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 10:14 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__8_june_2016' |
| 10:14 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 10:14 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:14 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 10:14 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 10:15 | today's agenda can be found at | |
| 10:15 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_8_June_2016 | |
| 10:15 | and davidnind++ for sending the reminder | |
| 10:15 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:15 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 10:16 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 10:16 | schnydszch | #info Eugene Espinoza - Manila, Philippines |
| 10:16 | mveron | @info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz, Allschwil |
| 10:16 | huginn` | mveron: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info". |
| 10:16 | mveron | #info Marc Véron, Koha Support Schweiz, Allschwil |
| 10:16 | :-) | |
| 10:17 | cait | khall: ? |
| 10:17 | khall | mornin! |
| 10:18 | cait | drojf: ping |
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| 10:18 | cait | ok, moving on |
| 10:18 | drojf | ah |
| 10:18 | cait | ah or not |
| 10:18 | drojf | so late, oops |
| 10:19 | #info Mirko Tietgen, koha.abunchofthings.net, Berlin, Germany | |
| 10:19 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, Bywater Solutions |
| 10:19 | cait | ok |
| 10:19 | so moving on now :) | |
| 10:19 | #topic Announcements | |
| 10:19 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 10:19 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2 Technologies, India |
| 10:20 | cait | not much from me - QA queue is pretty full, hopefully it will normalize soon to a lower number again |
| 10:21 | any other announcements? | |
| 10:22 | moving on | |
| 10:22 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 10:22 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 10:22 | cait | hm no rm, any rmaints? |
| 10:23 | ok, 16.05 has been released | |
| 10:24 | packages are available, but i think without the packages for elastic so far | |
| 10:24 | there are quite a few problems when you try to install Koha on Ubuntu 16.04 right now - because of the newer MySQL version (5.6+) - but there are quite a few patches underway to help with that | |
| 10:25 | does someone want to add something? | |
| 10:25 | anyone still awake? | |
| 10:26 | #topic KohaCon16 | |
| 10:26 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon16 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 10:26 | davidnind | yep, still awake... |
| 10:26 | cait | kohacon16_organizers++ |
| 10:26 | auth_library++ ikourmu++ | |
| 10:26 | drojf | good kohacon, would go again |
| 10:26 | thd | Still not quite asleep but not quite awake here. |
| 10:26 | mveron | streaming ++ |
| 10:26 | cait | overall very good organization |
| 10:27 | davidnind | streaming+++ worked really well |
| 10:27 | cait | lots of interesting presentations - I can recommend watching the videos! :) |
| 10:28 | mveron | http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 |
| 10:28 | cait | #link http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 |
| 10:28 | drojf | #link http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 |
| 10:28 | hmpf | |
| 10:28 | cait | heh |
| 10:28 | ok | |
| 10:28 | moving on? | |
| 10:28 | Diman | #info Dimitris Antonakis, Athens, Greece |
| 10:29 | * cait | waves :) |
| 10:29 | cait | #topic KohaCon17 |
| 10:29 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon17 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
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| 10:29 | cait | #info drojf sent a reminder to the list asking for more bids |
| 10:29 | drojf++ | |
| 10:29 | drojf | two bids, only one valid if we go with the continent switching thing |
| 10:29 | cait | correct |
| 10:30 | drojf | we need to set a deadline |
| 10:30 | or have we done that already? | |
| 10:30 | cait | #info curently one bid for 2016: Manila, Philippines |
| 10:30 | no i think we haven't | |
| 10:30 | drojf | i think we used to do that septemberish? |
| 10:30 | end of september, or is that too late? | |
| 10:31 | cait | the urrent bid is for september |
| 10:31 | so in that case it would probably be ok | |
| 10:31 | schnydszch | #info we can make it earlier |
| 10:31 | cait | it depends if another would want to make it earlier |
| 10:31 | schnydszch: conf or vote? | |
| 10:31 | schnydszch | the 2017 conf, at least for our bid |
| 10:31 | for the Philippines bid | |
| 10:31 | drojf | i think we had september last year and that worked fine for a conference in june |
| 10:32 | mveron | Yes, last time was voting in september: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon16_Proposals |
| 10:32 | cait | ij |
| 10:32 | sorry, fingers wrong on the keyboard | |
| 10:32 | schnydszch | June will be fine, still Summer during that time in the Philippines, well, climate change-thing |
| 10:33 | drojf | thanks mveron, just looked it up |
| 10:33 | so end of august maybe for deadline | |
| 10:33 | cait | which date are we discussing? |
| 10:33 | deadline for bids, deadline for vote? | |
| 10:33 | schnydszch | I'm speaking of our bid, sorry |
| 10:33 | drojf | " bidding for Kohacon 2016 locations will end one week after the August 2015 general IRC meeting. If you want to host Kohacon 2016, add your proposal to the wiki[1] now and announce it on the general mailing list, so people know about it. No proposals will be accepted after 12 August 2015, 22 UTC." |
| 10:34 | from last year | |
| 10:34 | it was earlier than i thought | |
| 10:34 | we could just go with the "one week after august meeting" | |
| 10:34 | so we would have two more meetings before | |
| 10:35 | does that make sense? | |
| 10:35 | cait | ok |
| 10:35 | mveron | I think so |
| 10:35 | cait | but the date won't be set then until the meeting |
| 10:35 | maybe we should set an august date to make things easier | |
| 10:35 | and with timezones... probably should be clear :) | |
| 10:36 | drojf | i don't think that is a problem really if we set it with the meeting date at the next meeting? |
| 10:36 | cait | ok |
| 10:36 | drojf | next meeting we agree on the general irc meeting date for august, plus one week for bids. should work? |
| 10:36 | cait | i am logging an agreed if noone is against it? |
| 10:36 | drojf | and its anounced > a month before |
| 10:37 | we could vote on it | |
| 10:37 | cait | #agreed the deadline for bids will be one week after the august meeting - exact date to be set next meeting |
| 10:37 | thd | Did my connection die again? |
| 10:37 | cait | you didn't leave |
| 10:38 | drojf | ok then we have to get the voring thing done soon :P |
| 10:38 | voring | |
| 10:38 | arrrr | |
| 10:38 | voting | |
| 10:39 | cait | the decision? yes |
| 10:39 | next meeting | |
| 10:39 | could we do a vote about the vote? ;) | |
| 10:39 | drojf | we should vote today for two general options |
| 10:39 | so we have it easier next time | |
| 10:39 | cait | i don'rt care so much about the mechanism we choose, but it hink it shoudl be clear before the voting begins |
| 10:39 | ok | |
| 10:39 | so can you presentt he 2 general options quickly? | |
| 10:40 | mveron | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons |
| 10:40 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons |
| 10:41 | drojf | what we should decide today is: do we want to have a voring mechanism that distinguishes between "yes", "no" and "maybe", or only "yes" and "no" |
| 10:41 | cait | hm ok |
| 10:41 | so we got 2 options: yes/no and yes/no/maybe ? | |
| 10:41 | drojf | and then choose the exact option next time. otherwise we will have 2 hours of discussions next time and nothing in the end. like always |
| 10:41 | thd | That is a false distinction. |
| 10:42 | drojf | you did not enter anything else. it is in the wiki and has been for at least two months |
| 10:42 | thd | The options as described do not necessarily lead to the results presumed. |
| 10:42 | drojf | i am not an expert in voting schemes, i just want to have some general rule how to set it up. before we start voting |
| 10:42 | thd | I know, I have been helping a friend avoid eviction. |
| 10:43 | Where is slef when we need him? | |
| 10:43 | cait | he hasn't been around in quite a while |
| 10:43 | drojf | and the only contribution from your side is that you say its not enough. and you helped a friend with their eviction. which is a very noble cause, but in no way related to koha and does not get us anywhere |
| 10:43 | thd | I know :) |
| 10:44 | drojf | sorry if that sounds rude, but the only person trying to get this anywhere is myself, because i might set upo the vote and THEN have people complaining they wanted a different scheme ;) |
| 10:44 | mveron | IMO yes/no/maybe would work fine |
| 10:44 | thd | All the options are underdescribed and thus prevent an informed vote on their face. |
| 10:45 | drojf | nobody took the time to describe them any further |
| 10:45 | its not going to happen until next time | |
| 10:45 | i brought that up right after the last vote | |
| 10:45 | and we never did | |
| 10:45 | * cait | nods |
| 10:45 | cait | it's true |
| 10:45 | wahanui | I saw it on Digg! |
| 10:45 | cait | we have been discussing this since the last vote, we need to make a decision |
| 10:46 | thd | I know I should have taken some time to at least link to a fuller discussion of comparable options on Wikipedia. |
| 10:46 | drojf | the options i present are the basic options we discussed last time. or the main difference between them |
| 10:46 | if you want to have other ones, there is plenty of time after the next vote :) | |
| 10:46 | no problem in making them better, but so far we have none | |
| 10:46 | and that is not enough | |
| 10:47 | thd | Reading the choices as described is not enough to understand how they work mathematically and omits how they are counted in every case. |
| 10:47 | drojf | true, as that is not part of the choices atm |
| 10:48 | cait | I don#t actually have the time to get into voting mechanisms to be honest |
| 10:48 | drojf | nobody has |
| 10:48 | cait | but it hink we need to be clear about what we will use, even if it's to the most ideal one |
| 10:48 | drojf | that is why nobody has done it for a full year |
| 10:49 | thd | Options 1, 2, and 4 are all score voting which can be easily gamed but would be good for building consensus over multiple votes. |
| 10:49 | drojf | trust me, the more interesting gaming part is getting the fakes out of the votes |
| 10:50 | the mechanism has not been relevant in both votes i managed | |
| 10:50 | but it could be of course | |
| 10:50 | thd | Option 3 is the only one although with many variants used in government elections. |
| 10:51 | cait | hm whta i see would be like 3 options |
| 10:51 | y/n, y/n/m and rank | |
| 10:51 | well rank all / don't rank all | |
| 10:51 | thd | There is no perfectly correct voting system possible but the problems of each should be at least linked. |
| 10:52 | If people are not forced to rank all then you have the equivalent of score voting. | |
| 10:53 | If a significant number of 'fakes' would go undetected score voting may maximise the problem with fakes. | |
| 10:54 | Forcing even 'fakes' to rank all options would reduce gaming. | |
| 10:54 | However, If we would have only two options then there would be not much of an issue. | |
| 10:54 | drojf | so far we have 1 |
| 10:54 | lol | |
| 10:55 | cait | thd: the fakes are human |
| 10:55 | in our case | |
| 10:55 | humans multiple voting | |
| 10:55 | whatever scheme we choose, will be gameable, unless we remove fakes by ip/email address checking or similar | |
| 10:55 | thd | I know that the fakes we have had are humans ;) |
| 10:56 | drojf | maybe a short question to the audience |
| 10:57 | thd | The downside of score voting is if people do not vote honestly but vote strategically. |
| 10:57 | davidnind | method first I think, then work out way to minimise fakes |
| 10:57 | drojf | who here knows what they would choose, and who cares at all? |
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| 10:58 | thd | Strategic voting is most difficult with option 3 but would still need a counting method. |
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| 10:58 | cait | I feel like i might be missing something |
| 10:58 | * mveron | has to leave - and would vote vor y/n/m |
| 10:58 | cait | i am not sure what we try to prevent here |
| 10:58 | mveron | Bye #koha |
| 10:58 | cait | if i don't want to go to one locationand don't wnat to gvie it poitns - would that be strategic voting... and what is bad about it? |
| 10:59 | thd | Have we always used some variant of option 3 in the past for KohaCon with the issue then being how we counted the votes? |
| 11:00 | The problem is only when some people vote strategically and others vote honestly. | |
| 11:00 | drojf | what does that mean? |
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| 11:01 | thd | It may be less of an issue if the range is only 1 and 0. |
| 11:01 | davidnind | I don't really understand the nuance about 'strategic' voting, or voting 'honestly' - vote is a vote? |
| 11:01 | drojf | strategically vs honestly? |
| 11:01 | LibraryClaire | hello |
| 11:01 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 11:01 | drojf | hi LibraryClaire. we are in a meeting, you should introduce yourself |
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| 11:02 | thd | If I choose to vote strategically I would vote the maximum value permitted for my preferred choice and minimum for all others. |
| 11:02 | LibraryClaire | #info Claire Gravely, UAL, UK |
| 11:02 | cait | yeah.. but if you only woudl attend that one kohacon? |
| 11:03 | in that place? | |
| 11:03 | i am not sure I understand why this is a bad thing in itself | |
| 11:03 | drojf | thd: yes, the question is kind of, do people want to have that or not. i am fine with all options, but we should have a rule. because so far, after the vote starts, people complain that it is the one way or the other |
| 11:03 | and i dont see why i should not vote maximum for the one location i can go | |
| 11:04 | that is what people do | |
| 11:04 | thd | Honest voters who give every candidate due consideration have the strength of their vote diluted. |
| 11:04 | drojf | what is honest about that? |
| 11:04 | that term does not make any sense in that context | |
| 11:04 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 11:05 | drojf | hi bgkriegel |
| 11:05 | thd | 'Honest' means in this case not disproportionately artificially lowering the vote given to lesser preferences. |
| 11:05 | bgkriegel | hi drojf ! |
| 11:06 | cait | hi bernardo :) |
| 11:06 | drojf | how is that more honest than vote for the place i wanna go and null for the others? |
| 11:06 | thd | 'Strategic' voting boosts the overall strength of each strategic vote. |
| 11:07 | drojf: If that is your true position to give all weight to one candidate then voting that way is fine. | |
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| 11:08 | cait | ok, so maybe first question is |
| 11:08 | do we want ranking? | |
| 11:08 | eythian | just use STV and be done with it unless there's only a couple of options in which case it doesn't matter anyway, it's not really a matter that requires so much wasted time discussing it. |
| 11:08 | cait | or do we want to say yes/no/(maybe) |
| 11:08 | thd | The problem comes when others do not express their vote as strongly and consequently have their vote diminished in the counting. |
| 11:08 | cait | eythian: what is stv? |
| 11:08 | thd | We have always used ranking in some form for voting on KohaCon. |
| 11:08 | cait | not true |
| 11:08 | we had yes/no last time | |
| 11:08 | eythian | cait: order your preferences from 1 to n, or similar. |
| 11:09 | thd | Almost always :) |
| 11:09 | drojf | i am fine with ranking all, i just want a decision :P |
| 11:09 | before the vote is conducted | |
| 11:09 | we can just choose to go with that if its what people prefer | |
| 11:10 | cait | eythian: so that's rank all then? |
| 11:10 | drojf | and who wants to veto has to write a 20 page proposal for next year |
| 11:10 | thd | I would like to suggest ranking with the same counting method used in the Debian community. |
| 11:10 | drojf | what counting method may that be? |
| 11:10 | eythian | cait: I think it's usually implemented as being allowed to skip, but it doesn't matter. |
| 11:10 | * thd | checks. |
| 11:10 | drojf | it does matter |
| 11:11 | eythian | everyone loves bikeshedding voting discussions. |
| 11:11 | drojf | because that will be the point people complain about then :P |
| 11:11 | ok. proposal: | |
| 11:11 | cait | ok |
| 11:11 | so lets vote ranking or yes/no/(maybe) to limit this down a bit | |
| 11:11 | davidnind | my view - keep as simple as possible: either yes/no, or rank options from 1 to 3 for example if three proposals |
| 11:11 | cait | #startvote Which voting method do you prefer? (rank, options) |
| 11:11 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Which voting method do you prefer? Valid vote options are , rank, options, . |
| 11:11 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 11:12 | drojf | two votes. first: yes/whatever/no or ranking. second: depending on first: yes/no or yes/maybe/no OR ranking/all or ranking/skip |
| 11:12 | cait | #vote rank |
| 11:12 | drojf | #vote rank |
| 11:12 | LibraryClaire | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | davidnind | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | khall | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | eythian | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | thd | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | Diman | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | cait | waiting a few more seconds... |
| 11:13 | schnydszch | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | indradg | #vote rank |
| 11:13 | cait | #endvote |
| 11:13 | huginn` | Voted on "Which voting method do you prefer?" Results are |
| 11:13 | rank (10): LibraryClaire, davidnind, cait, eythian, khall, indradg, thd, drojf, Diman, schnydszch | |
| 11:14 | cait | #agreed the voting mechanism will be 'ranking' |
| 11:14 | druthb | o/ |
| 11:14 | drojf | look, that was easy |
| 11:14 | khall | hi druthb! |
| 11:14 | cait | ok, now rank all or rank the one you want to go to? |
| 11:14 | drojf | so do all vs skip and we are done :) |
| 11:14 | thd | Debian uses the Condorcet method with a Schulze count if I am not mistaken. |
| 11:14 | druthb | hiyas. |
| 11:14 | cait | or all vs skip yep |
| 11:14 | #startvote Do you want to rank all (all) or be able to not rank those you wouldn't be able to attend (skip) (all,skip)? | |
| 11:14 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Do you want to rank all (all) or be able to not rank those you wouldn't be able to attend (skip) (all,skip)? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 11:14 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 11:15 | thd | If you do not rank all then you have score voting. |
| 11:15 | You do not have rank voting if you do not rank all. | |
| 11:15 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_criterion | |
| 11:15 | davidnind | #vote all |
| 11:15 | cait | #vote all |
| 11:15 | LibraryClaire | #vote all |
| 11:15 | thd | #vote all |
| 11:16 | schnydszch | #vote all |
| 11:16 | Diman | #vote all |
| 11:16 | thd | Ranking only one reduces to 'strategic' score voting. |
| 11:16 | cait | ending vote in a quick moment |
| 11:17 | #endvote | |
| 11:17 | huginn` | Voted on "Do you want to rank all (all) or be able to not rank those you wouldn't be able to attend (skip) (all,skip)?" Results are |
| 11:17 | cait | #agreed The ranking will require to rank all bidders/locations. |
| 11:17 | thd | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method |
| 11:17 | drojf | thanks |
| 11:17 | that was easy. only took 8 months :P | |
| 11:17 | cait | shouldn't ask - but is the points given to each clear then? |
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| 11:18 | thd | The count is not clear without specifying. |
| 11:18 | eythian | cait: what is your question? |
| 11:18 | drojf | we have not discussed that. :P |
| 11:18 | cait | eythian: how points will be given |
| 11:19 | eythian | cait: ranking is not allocating points |
| 11:19 | cait | i think we shoudl discuss counting at the nextmeeting tho |
| 11:19 | drojf | eythian: you could count more points for rank 1 than rank 2. |
| 11:19 | cait | eythian: how do you see who won? |
| 11:20 | eythian | drojf: no, that's not how you do it |
| 11:20 | a meeting is not the place for this though :) | |
| 11:20 | drojf | eythian: its possible and a thing people do |
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| 11:20 | drojf | but we reached the decision for today. if anyone wants to bring that up next time, alright. i would not ;) |
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| 11:21 | drojf | next topic? :) |
| 11:21 | thd` | What just happened? My connection dropped. |
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| 11:22 | thd` | We still need a counting system. |
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| 11:22 | thd` | I suggest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method which is used by Debian and some other software communities. |
| 11:22 | cait | phone |
| 11:22 | #chair drojf | |
| 11:22 | huginn` | Current chairs: cait drojf |
| 11:24 | davidnind | My opinion - way to complicated for what we are trying to achieve + we have already voted |
| 11:25 | This is my summary with an example of what we voted for: example 3 choices (proposals) - rank 1, 2 and 3 for the 3 options however you choose (have to rank all), proposal with the highest count 'wins'? | |
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| 11:26 | thd`` | The counting method can actually change the outcome in ranked voting so it is important to use one which seems to give a fair result expressing people's actual preferences in as wide a range of actual circumstances as possible. |
| 11:26 | drojf | oh why did i become chair? cait gone? |
| 11:26 | ah phone | |
| 11:26 | ok next topic | |
| 11:26 | wahanui | hmmm... next topic is a tricky one... |
| 11:26 | thd`` | I am having real trouble staying connected today. |
| 11:27 | drojf | we had a lot of fakes last time, and the question was, if we would take more info this time for people voting |
| 11:27 | thd | Do we still lack a counting method for ranked voting? Are we deferring the issue of counting method? |
| 11:28 | drojf | so far we only had an email address (and ip addresses and referrers). do you consider it good or bad to also get the name and maybe institution of people voting? |
| 11:28 | i would like to do that (if i conduct the vote), because its way more work for fakes. the will still be there of course | |
| 11:29 | but i would be interested in your opinion about it. any cons? | |
| 11:30 | thd | We should collect as much brief information as we can reasonably and privately without overburdoning the process for everyone. |
| 11:30 | cait | institution would leave out people interested comeing 'themselves' maybe |
| 11:30 | still phone sorry | |
| 11:30 | eythian | just so long as it would be clear that it's OK for anyone not attached to an institution to have a procedure |
| 11:30 | davidnind | some people are not part of organisations, so could be optional |
| 11:31 | drojf | good point |
| 11:31 | thd | A note would be needed for institution allowing none, blank, individual, or some equivalent. |
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| 11:31 | drojf | if it's ok to have none, it's probably not worth bothering some about it? |
| 11:32 | eythian | could you check for a valid email, or does that then become a Lot More Work? |
| 11:33 | thd | How advantageous might such a field be for identifying fakes or encouraging people to be honest and avoiding fakes in the first place? |
| 11:33 | drojf | ok. i would not vote on that. if necessary we could do that next time. just think about it |
| 11:33 | eythian: valid email format yes, valid email like click a link in the email probably not, and not worth it | |
| 11:33 | in my experience people just use work and private email | |
| 11:33 | or several of those | |
| 11:33 | eythian | true |
| 11:34 | davidnind | the joys of 'online voting'! |
| 11:34 | drojf | thd: if you can leave it blank, probably not so much. i can't assume somebody to be more of a fake for not filling a non-required field |
| 11:34 | and they could just put whatever anyway | |
| 11:34 | i'll think about it for next time | |
| 11:34 | moving on? | |
| 11:35 | davidnind | yes please |
| 11:35 | drojf | #topic Actions from General IRC meeting 6 April 2016 (deferred) and General IRC meeting 4 May 2016 (none) |
| 11:35 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting 6 April 2016 (deferred) and General IRC meeting 4 May 2016 (none) (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 11:35 | thd | However, would people be discouraged from faking or hesitate to fake from having the question of institution put to them? |
| 11:35 | drojf | there seem to be none |
| 11:35 | that was the last point on the agenda | |
| 11:36 | we need a date for next time | |
| 11:36 | #topic next meeting | |
| 11:36 | Topic for #koha is now next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 8 June 2016) | |
| 11:36 | eythian | http://www.scientificamerican.[…]ou-better-person/ <-- just put a giant eye on the page |
| 11:36 | drojf | july 6, 20 UTC? |
| 11:37 | please do a +1 or something ;) | |
| 11:37 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 11:37 | drojf | waiting for another minute or its decided ;) |
| 11:38 | davidnind | +1 |
| 11:38 | LibraryClaire | +1 |
| 11:38 | davidnind | something :) |
| 11:38 | drojf | #agreed next meeting july 6, 20 UTC |
| 11:38 | #endmeeting | |
| 11:38 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the #koha IRC chat | Code of conduct - https://koha-community.org/abo[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 11:38 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 11:38:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:38 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-08-10.14.html | |
| 11:38 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]6-06-08-10.14.txt | |
| 11:38 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]08-10.14.log.html | |
| 11:38 | drojf | thanks everyone |
| 11:38 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 11:39 | drojf++ | |
| 11:39 | cait | drojf++ thx for taking over |
| 11:40 | druthb | crojf++ |
| 11:40 | drofj++ #can't type; has a dumb | |
| 11:40 | cait++ | |
| 11:41 | eythian | @karma crojf |
| 11:41 | huginn` | eythian: Karma for "crojf" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
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| 11:41 | druthb | :P |
| 11:41 | eythian | @karma drofj |
| 11:41 | huginn` | eythian: Karma for "drofj" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. |
| 11:41 | eythian | a more popular typo |
| 11:41 | drojf | lol |
| 11:42 | LibraryClaire | cait++ |
| 11:42 | drojf++ | |
| 11:42 | sorry for turning up late - I was stuck on the underground | |
| 11:42 | thd` | Do we have a date for the next meeting? |
| 11:43 | eythian | wahanui: logs |
| 11:43 | * thd` | keeps losing the connection. |
| 11:43 | wahanui | logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
| 11:44 | thd` | As I feared, my friend is in court that day. |
| 11:47 | thd | Sorry to all for not having had more time to put voting issues in the wiki and also bring them up on the mailing list. |
| 11:48 | drojf | thd: plenty of time for the kohacon 2018 vote if you feel like it |
| 11:50 | thd | drojf: I know. The last few weeks have left me extraordinarily sleep deprived trying to find a lawyer for my friend. |
| 11:50 | eythian | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5HX67WqUSY <-- drojf, apropos of nothing |
| 11:54 | thd | eythian: Twice as funny for being a parody based upon the work of copyright maximalist musicians. |
| 11:55 | drojf | lol |
| 11:59 | eythian | https://goo.gl/photos/eWmPi5mFtDFceQUG9 <-- cait, rangi: 4 years ago today |
| 11:59 | cait | heh |
| 11:59 | edinburgh? | |
| 11:59 | wahanui | well, edinburgh is for sure now |
| 11:59 | druthb | lol |
| 11:59 | drojf | lol |
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| 11:59 | nengard | druthb? |
| 11:59 | wahanui | She's really more trouble than she's worth, you know? |
| 11:59 | nengard | HA!!! |
| 12:00 | eythian | cait: yeah |
| 12:00 | druthb | yes? |
| 12:00 | * druthb | agrees with wahanui |
| 12:00 | drojf | ashimema: around? |
| 12:04 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:04 | am now.. for a little while.. whats up drojf | |
| 12:05 | bgkriegel | druthb: Happy birthday! :) |
| 12:06 | druthb | Thanks, bgkriegel. :) |
| 12:08 | * thd | quits before he is disconnected again. |
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| 12:15 | drojf | davidnind++ # already made a wiki page for next meeting |
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| 12:30 | drojf | icecream break? |
| 12:38 | nengard | i want ice cream |
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| 12:50 | drojf | nengard: i got chocolate and mango now. want some? ;) |
| 12:53 | nengard | yes |
| 12:53 | chocolate please :) | |
| 12:56 | * drojf | throws chocolate icecream around the globe |
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| 13:03 | nengard | WOOO HOOOO |
| 13:04 | * magnuse | marvels at the chocolate icecream flying by the window |
| 13:07 | * druthb | would take some mango please, drojf. |
| 13:07 | druthb | Just throw a little to the left of nengard. |
| 13:10 | drojf | i need an icecream cannon |
| 13:11 | cait | better not |
| 13:12 | drojf | hm. may have talked myself into setting up shibboleth. oops |
| 13:13 | magnuse | great way to learn something new :-) |
| 13:13 | drojf | hm. yes. i guess. |
| 13:14 | i should shoot some icecream in the general ashimema direction as a precaution, so i can go there and cry about it later | |
| 13:17 | ashimema | haha.. good luck ;) |
| 13:18 | eythian | drojf: hmm, SAML is not an enjoyable experience in general |
| 13:19 | drojf | i am not sure if it is actually a solution to what they want. will find out later this week |
| 13:20 | from what i understand they would need koha to be the identity provider for something else, i don't see that happening | |
| 13:20 | at least as far as i understand shibboleth in koha | |
| 13:21 | cait | hm no |
| 13:21 | service provider, but not identity provider | |
| 13:21 | drojf | yes |
| 13:21 | magnuse | t'would be cool if koha could be an identity provider, though |
| 13:21 | eythian | yeah, I've made it be an SP before |
| 13:21 | drojf | i think they want to outsource that part to koha from another system |
| 13:21 | eythian | magnuse: no, it wouldn't. |
| 13:22 | it would be a terrible maintenance job | |
| 13:22 | magnuse | oh? |
| 13:22 | if koha was the source of truth about users? | |
| 13:22 | or maintaining the code? | |
| 13:22 | eythian | supporting SAML is terrible enough from the SP point of view |
| 13:23 | maintaining the code and configuring the systems to work | |
| 13:23 | all would be horrible | |
| 13:24 | ashimema | If I were going to go about being an Identity Provider I'd use one of the half decent off the shelf solutions ;) |
| 13:24 | Shibboleth has IdP packages and SimpleSAMLphp works pretty reasonably | |
| 13:24 | magnuse | yeah, that sounds like a better ideea |
| 13:24 | eythian | the only IdP I've had any interaction with was bad. But it was commercial and enterprisey. |
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| 13:25 | ashimema | simplesamlphp would be where I'd start.. build a quick php driver to look at the koha borrowers tables as it's source |
| 13:25 | eythian | ashimema: stop wanting that :) |
| 13:25 | don't look at the table | |
| 13:25 | look at a user API | |
| 13:25 | drojf | i'd be up for not being an identity provider and they just implement sip2 auth in that other thing :P |
| 13:25 | * ashimema | has actually done this for a customer once.. it wasn't pretty but it worked |
| 13:25 | eythian | a database schema is not an API :) |
| 13:25 | (well, I suppose it literally is, but it shouldn't be treated like one.) | |
| 13:25 | ashimema | I don't want that ;) |
| 13:26 | this was before the uesr api was any good ;)_ | |
| 13:26 | ++ for api | |
| 13:28 | drojf | people should not be allowed to send me emails until i am through all the old ones |
| 13:29 | magnuse | drojf: except new customers? :-) |
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| 13:29 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 13:29 | drojf | or… they should be allowed to send emails, but not allowed to start waiting for an answer before i am done with the others |
| 13:29 | eythian | drojf: I think I'm below 1,500 unread now. |
| 13:29 | drojf | magnuse: yes :D |
| 13:30 | liw | drojf, I have sometimes considered a bot that autoresponds to mails in my needs-responding folder with a mail saying "Thank you for your email. Your email is important to us. We well get to it shortly. You are now number N in the queue. Have a nice day." |
| 13:30 | drojf | liw: people would love it |
| 13:31 | that icecream made me want to sleep. it was not even that much | |
| 13:31 | liw | instead i have a cronjob that runs http://paste.debian.net/726617/ every morning |
| 13:33 | drojf | liw: the "do something about it" part needs more work. like, actually doing something, while you go to bed for another hour |
| 13:34 | liw | I could easily automatically delete anything older than a week, but I'm quite ready for that :) |
| 13:35 | drojf | delete everything |
| 13:35 | delete sender | |
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| 13:40 | eythian | drojf: it's relatively specialised software, from their point of view. |
| 13:41 | that too | |
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| 13:54 | drojf | i still have not set up koha 16.05 on a raspi 3 with plack. i guess that could really work in production for a small library |
| 13:55 | when do other people do all the stuff they want to do? sigh. | |
| 13:56 | * liw | throws http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ at drojf |
| 13:56 | drojf | heh thanks, reading that is on the pile of stuff i did not have time for yet (not kidding) |
| 13:57 | liw | heh |
| 13:57 | I've heard that response before | |
| 13:57 | drojf | i could start by making different piles from the one pile, then putting the smaller piles everywhere |
| 13:57 | and then have nowhere to walk and sit on the couch for a week | |
| 13:58 | liw | it's about 11000 words so not long |
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| 14:10 | LibraryClaire | hallo |
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| 14:11 | drojf | eythian: do we (did we when you were packaging manager) keep track somewhere in a central place why we require certain versions of dependencies? or is that just my job to know it all or look up all single bugs? |
| 14:12 | at least for some stuff i have seen regarding catmandu it would make sense to gather that somewhere | |
| 14:12 | eythian | we don't really declare them in the package (we could, but we don't) |
| 14:12 | in general, my policy was "get the latest one" | |
| 14:13 | drojf | i was looking at bug 16695 |
| 14:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16695 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Exception::Class 1.39 is not packaged for Jessie |
| 14:14 | eythian | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ndency_Guidelines <-- tell people off for violating point 3 |
| 14:14 | drojf | that versions seems to be kind of arbitrary in that case. for catmandu there were things like "get that version of a because b requires it or c will break and 4 will deinstall koha-common" |
| 14:15 | eythian | but anyway, there's no central database of it, things didn't tend to get that complicated |
| 14:16 | drojf | ok, maybe i just had a funny case to start with. if that does not happen all the time it can be found in the bug report |
| 14:17 | or i add a wiki page for the crazy stuff that i find on the way | |
| 14:17 | oh i still need to write that email to the debian perl people | |
| 14:17 | eythian | joubu fixed it there anyway, but don't forget to check back into wheezy too. |
| 14:17 | drojf | are the presentations up btw? or would you send me the packaging one? |
| 14:18 | liw | I'd document the package dependency changes in debian/changelog |
| 14:18 | eythian | I linked it in the talk itself, you shoulda been paying attention ;) |
| 14:18 | (one moment) | |
| 14:18 | liw: it's not packaging specific generally though, which makes that more complicated | |
| 14:19 | https://owncloud.kallisti.net.[…]s/V38lAuuuCfxdGY5 <-- drojf | |
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| 14:20 | drojf | i did pay attention, but i did all the exercises :P |
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| 14:37 | drojf | oh look, i got two wiki pages for packaging. i am great at that information management thing |
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| 14:51 | LibraryClaire | greedy |
| 14:52 | eythian | wizzycrayfish is up early |
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| 15:06 | wizzycray | very early :) |
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| 15:33 | mveron | Hi again #koha |
| 15:48 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 15:48 | mveron | hi drojf |
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| 15:50 | mveron | drojf: Did you see the comment on Bug 16346? |
| 15:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Website should be translatable |
| 15:52 | drojf | i did |
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| 16:32 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:58 | * drojf | heads home |
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| 17:34 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 17:34 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 22.0°C (7:20 PM CEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:34 | drojf | really tries that summer thing |
| 17:43 | LibraryClaire | @wunder Guildford, uk |
| 17:43 | huginn` | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in Chilworth, Chilworth, United Kingdom is 21.2°C (6:42 PM BST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:43 | LibraryClaire | humid :( |
| 17:44 | drojf | 71% means you can almost swim |
| 17:45 | LibraryClaire | feels like :P |
| 17:45 | nengard | @wunder 78754 |
| 17:45 | huginn` | nengard: The current temperature in North Acres, Austin, Texas is 31.8°C (12:40 PM CDT on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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| 19:16 | * barbara_ | slaps barbara_ around a bit with a large fishbot |
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| 19:42 | asdf | Hey guys. Is there an upgrade process listed somewhere for going from 3.22 to 16.05? (debian package install). Will simply following the upgrade instructions in the INSTALL file be sufficient? |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt_ | asdf: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]00-td5890242.html |
| 19:45 | asdf | Thanks! Will this retain system preferences, catalogs, etc., or will a full backup/restore be necessary? |
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| 20:02 | * cait | waves |
| 20:02 | LibraryClaire | hi cait |
| 20:02 | cait | hey - how are you doing? |
| 20:02 | throat getting better? | |
| 20:03 | * drojf | waits to see if cait runs out again |
| 20:04 | LibraryClaire | still not amazing, I think it's turning into a cough now, but I can function (just) ;) |
| 20:06 | how's the mass of email? | |
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| 20:08 | cait | slowly getting through it |
| 20:08 | at least some of the piles are shrinking :) | |
| 20:08 | drojf: not for a little bit longer | |
| 20:09 | LibraryClaire | :) |
| 20:10 | drojf | then hi cait :) |
| 20:10 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 20:13 | eythian | I think I caught something from you people |
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| 20:14 | eythian | have a sore throat setting in |
| 20:14 | * cait | blames LibraryClaire :P |
| 20:14 | LibraryClaire | hey, someone gave this to me! |
| 20:14 | * cait | just unpacked a new fitbit |
| 20:14 | LibraryClaire | aaw, you didn't find yours? |
| 20:14 | cait | it's can't have been the person coughing all the time *hides* |
| 20:14 | no, didn't turn up again | |
| 20:14 | LibraryClaire | aw :( |
| 20:15 | cait | sacrifice to the gods of travel i guess |
| 20:15 | eythian | after telling me off for leaving my tablet on the plane... |
| 20:15 | rangi | https://www.flickr.com/photos/[…]72157666855401463 |
| 20:15 | cait | yeah... i should have known better |
| 20:15 | oh even more pictues | |
| 20:16 | drojf | haha weird people on a boat |
| 20:16 | cait | very weird people :) |
| 20:16 | rangi | drojf: i only put online the one where you cant tell who you are :) |
| 20:17 | i can send you the others if you want | |
| 20:17 | drojf | :D |
| 20:17 | that would be nice | |
| 20:18 | LibraryClaire | yay pics :D |
| 20:18 | drojf | i miss greece |
| 20:18 | rangi | yeah it was a lovely place |
| 20:19 | eythian | https://goo.gl/photos/Fcoc1ne7q3SSL8Gv9 <-- more |
| 20:19 | rangi | oh cool you got one of the horseless carriage |
| 20:19 | * cait | misses people |
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| 20:20 | drojf | eythian: great job at making the distance between amsterdam and berlin seem really huge |
| 20:20 | LibraryClaire | lol |
| 20:20 | eythian | yeah :) |
| 20:21 | https://photos.google.com/movi[…]xp4eQLPm-94Eo_sVR <-- or in video form (warning: sound) | |
| 20:21 | cait | 404 |
| 20:22 | eythian | https://goo.gl/photos/mo7Ht1z4azCpwwEN7 <-- try this |
| 20:22 | (I copied the wrong link) | |
| 20:24 | @wunder ams | |
| 20:24 | :< | |
| 20:24 | huginn` | eythian: Error: timed out |
| 20:24 | rangi | eythian: joh was stoked with the ink |
| 20:24 | eythian | sweet |
| 20:24 | @wunder ams | |
| 20:24 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Schiphol, Badhoevedorp, Netherlands is 13.7°C (10:24 PM CEST on June 08, 2016). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:25 | eythian | it's cold here, why is my apartment so damn warm with everything open? |
| 20:25 | drojf | fire? |
| 20:25 | wahanui | fire is http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/a[…]uring-live-stream |
| 20:26 | eythian | I hope now |
| 20:26 | not | |
| 20:26 | rangi | fire at the mcdonalds here |
| 20:26 | LibraryClaire | :/ |
| 20:28 | drojf | eythian: have you tried the unlabelled tsipouro yet? |
| 20:29 | eythian | yeah, had it yesterday |
| 20:29 | a bit bitier than some of the others | |
| 20:29 | but not bad | |
| 20:30 | rangi | oh, that reminds me, i need to drink the beers you and joubu gave me |
| 20:32 | eythian | http://www.funda.nl/koop/amste[…]zersgracht-633-p/ <-- time to buy a place here I guess |
| 20:32 | LibraryClaire | just for the weekends :P |
| 20:33 | * LibraryClaire | whispers 'it has a library...' |
| 20:34 | eythian | Well, it only has 18 bedrooms. Of course only for weekends. |
| 20:35 | drojf | eythian: i think that is true bathtub tsipouro. not tried yet but smells different |
| 20:38 | Dyrcona | eythian: That's nothing. Kim Dotcom's place is up for sale: http://www.nzfarms.co.nz/2760510 |
| 20:39 | eythian | 12 bedrooms? What am I, some kind of peasant? |
| 20:39 | Dyrcona | heh! |
| 20:40 | cait | brb |
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| 20:54 | rangi | drojf: https://twitter.com/mikeforbes[…]40648028961263616 <-- wellington isn't so bad today either |
| 20:55 | LibraryClaire | that's pretty! |
| 20:57 | drojf | nice! |
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| 21:33 | rangi | https://photos.google.com/shar[…]wV1d6aUFvdnNBUU93 <-- lol i look wasted (i probably was) |
| 21:34 | drojf | cait does a nice whatever she is doing |
| 21:34 | cait | hm? |
| 21:34 | ah what? | |
| 21:34 | wahanui | i heard ah was ? |
| 21:34 | LibraryClaire | magic |
| 21:35 | cait | yep that |
| 21:35 | wahanui | yep that is probably what I see when I go into circ rules. |
| 21:35 | LibraryClaire | lol |
| 21:35 | drojf | a shadow rabbit |
| 21:53 | tcohen | hi |
| 21:53 | hi cait | |
| 21:54 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
| 21:54 | tcohen | rangi: cool pictures |
| 21:55 | rangi: it looks like it was too much beer for the day for you | |
| 21:56 | rangi | heh, i think that was just the first one, but it was a hot day |
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| 22:13 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 22:23 | kidclamp | any know if there is a way to search or sort in bugzilla by number of cc's/followers |
| 22:23 | rangi | not that i know of |
| 22:23 | kidclamp | darn |
| 22:25 | cait | number of comments... but number of ccs haven't seen |
| 22:29 | kidclamp | how can you do # of comments cait? |
| 22:31 | cait | hm let me see |
| 22:32 | if you change columns | |
| 22:33 | it's one of hte options you can select | |
| 22:33 | number of comments | |
| 22:34 | kidclamp | cool, thanks! |
| 22:35 | so I need to tell people to comment, not just follow :-) | |
| 22:35 | rangi | whats the use case? |
| 22:37 | kidclamp | in trying to get users more involved I always tell them to follow the bugs they are interested in |
| 22:37 | would be nice to say 'hey 20 people are looking at this bug, maybe I should fix it' | |
| 22:37 | cait | night all :) |
| 22:38 | kidclamp | night cairt |
| 22:38 | cait even | |
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| 22:39 | kidclamp | I was gonna suggest it as a dashboard add-on - most (un)popular bugs |
| 22:41 | goodnight all | |
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| 23:03 | wizzyrea | heh |
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