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02:33 | gmcharlt | @later tell tcohen I've dropped a new master package |
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03:43 | mtj | @later tell barton recently switching to the indexing daemon has actually dropped the server load, for us :) |
03:43 | huginn | mtj: The operation succeeded. |
03:45 | wizzyrea | I suspect it really would for high change volume libraries |
03:50 | mtj | hey wizzyrea :) |
03:51 | ..i'm not quite sure why the load has dropped, tbh - still curious about that | |
03:54 | wizzyrea | I've been wondering if the setting that puts the last issue date in the record, requiring a reindex, causes trouble on these high transaction libraries |
03:54 | that would put a quintillion index updates into the queue | |
03:55 | but the daemon would help that | |
03:55 | because it wouldn't have so many to do at a time | |
03:55 | or would just do them as they came in | |
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04:00 | * dcook | waves |
04:00 | Francesca | hi dcook |
04:00 | schnydszch | Hello Koha community, I'm trying to test a patch for bug 9701, using biblibre sandbox, the test7 one, it seems I'm not getting email after filling all the required fields |
04:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joachim.ganseman, Needs Signoff , Configure default indicator |
04:00 | dcook | hey Francesca |
04:00 | wahanui | Francesca is a musical front end cat person |
04:01 | Francesca | sup? |
04:01 | wahanui | everything. |
04:01 | dcook | Sorry, schnydszch. I haven't looked at that one before. |
04:01 | Francesca: Oh, stuff and things. You? | |
04:01 | * dcook | is actually looking for folk who use kohadevbox.. |
04:01 | Francesca | I have a cold |
04:02 | dcook | :( |
04:02 | Francesca | I think I've used kohadevbox before |
04:02 | on my mac | |
04:02 | schnydszch | dcook, I got email on the first try but second and third, none |
04:02 | Francesca | to do stuff |
04:02 | dcook | Francesca: Interesting. Due to the Ansible dependency, it seems that you can only use it on Mac or Linux? |
04:02 | schnydszch | first was because someone's using the devbox |
04:03 | Francesca | dcook: ansible? also I used to have koahdevbox on windows before I got my mac |
04:04 | schnydszch | When I open http://pro.test7.biblibre.com/ it points me to the web installer but I don't have the credentials, it should be sent in the email right? |
04:04 | dcook | Francesca: Interesting... was that a long time ago? I'm thinking maybe tcohen added Ansible later https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox |
04:05 | schnydszch: I don't have knowledge about your issue, unfortunately. | |
04:05 | Like me, it probably makes sense to ask the listserv | |
04:05 | Francesca | yeah it would have been about 3 years now since I had a windows computer |
04:06 | dcook | Have you been working on Koha for 3 years? Wow, time flies by... |
04:06 | schnydszch | dcook, NP, in case someone can help.. I'll just try other sandboxes |
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04:09 | schnydszch | Any biblibre folks here now? |
04:09 | dcook | Probably not for another 2-3 hours |
04:10 | schnydszch | no problem dcook :) I just used PTFS Europe's |
04:11 | it's in my to do list today, to test a patch, patch 9701 :) | |
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04:16 | mtj | wizzyrea: i kinda thought it would be generally more 'efficient' to do a big bunch of zebra updates every 5 mins - than a few updates, every 10 secs |
04:16 | dcook | O_o |
04:17 | * wizzyrea | doesn't use the ansible one |
04:17 | wizzyrea | (yet.) |
04:17 | dcook | wizzyrea: I thought the ansible one was the only option now? |
04:17 | wizzyrea | I have a fork of the bash one. |
04:18 | the ansible one is probably generally better | |
04:18 | dcook | Is that like this: https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox/tree/legacy ? |
04:18 | mtj | ..i thought there would be some overhead in starting many small indexing jobs, at least |
04:18 | * dcook | loves Ansible |
04:18 | wizzyrea | I don't think it works that way |
04:18 | but I don't really mnow | |
04:18 | know | |
04:18 | dcook | mtj: Why does it matter? |
04:21 | mtj: Btw, you might find this relevant: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]ow-registers.html | |
04:23 | wizzyrea: I don't know why we wouldn't just use Ansible locally on the VM created by Vagrant | |
04:23 | It seems like we're using Ansible on the host instead? | |
04:23 | wizzyrea | dunno, haven't tested it |
04:23 | * dcook | will see what tcohen says |
04:32 | mtj | dcook: hmm, it matters - because one option potentially reduces server load |
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04:56 | magnuse | /me waves |
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05:31 | dcook | mtj: Is there an issue with server load? |
05:32 | We index every few seconds, and we haven't had any problems | |
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05:43 | taa | how to get only required tags for data entry instead of all tags |
05:43 | what is command to customize default tag list | |
05:50 | mtj | i think you need to edit your marc frameworks taa |
05:50 | ..disable 'mandatory' setting, for a marc tag | |
05:50 | taa | from whr |
05:51 | mtj | dcook: barton is having some server load problems, yes - but not me |
05:52 | i was saying that switching to indexing-daemon, reduced server load :) | |
05:55 | dcook | mtj: indexing-daemon? |
06:02 | mtj | dcook: bug 16190 |
06:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default |
06:03 | dcook | Ah yes, I think that uses koha-indexer? |
06:03 | * dcook | is glad for this :D |
06:03 | dcook | We use an indexing daemon and it works well |
06:04 | Or maybe that doesn't use koha-indexer | |
06:04 | I don't know. I recall Tomas having figured it out for the community :p | |
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06:33 | mtj | dcook: yes, bug 16190 uses /usr/sbin/koha-indexer |
06:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Enable the indexer daemon by default |
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06:47 | alex_a | bonjour |
06:47 | wahanui | bonjour, alex_a |
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06:55 | reiveune | hello |
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07:00 | wahanui | hello, jajm |
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07:05 | fridolin | hie there |
07:06 | dcook | @later tell cait Could you take a look at bug 13023? |
07:06 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
07:06 | dcook | Salut French folk :) |
07:06 | * dcook | also waves to drojf1 |
07:27 | drojf | hi dcook |
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08:38 | eythian | wahanui: wizzycray is wizzyrea running on a supercomputer |
08:38 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
08:53 | drojf | test |
08:53 | looks like i'm here | |
08:54 | eythian | I get to work, and discover that we have a class trip to Marcel's work this afternoon to test one of our systems. |
08:56 | drojf | ha awesome |
08:57 | not sure how marcel's work relates to yours. do you have so many servers that you put them in other people's buildings? | |
09:04 | what do we use to hash passwords atm? bcrypt? | |
09:24 | Joubu | drojf: yes, bcrypt |
09:28 | drojf | i have seen that people use SIP2 in Koha to talk to EZproxy. any reason not to do that? i was looking into using ldap, but sip2 may be an easier way |
09:29 | eythian | sip2 means you can use koha as a user database. |
09:29 | drojf | yes, that is the thing that would make it easier, because that ldap server does not exist yet :) |
09:30 | the proposed option was an odbc connection to the koha db, that did not sound very attractive | |
09:31 | eythian | nooo |
09:31 | that sounds like an awful idea | |
09:32 | drojf | yes. i saw the thing (HAN server) speaks ldap. but just now i saw it also speaks sip2. so if there is no reason not to use that, it would be my favourite |
09:46 | * drojf | changes offices |
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10:13 | drojf | back |
10:14 | do we have a new dependency in 3.22.7? seems like a dist-upgrade is needed | |
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10:23 | drojf | ah, the fix for mysql 5.7 i guess |
10:24 | eythian | is it DBIx::RunSQL? |
10:24 | if so, yes. | |
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10:25 | drojf | yes |
10:25 | libdbix-runsql-perl | |
10:55 | what permissions would i grant to a sip user account for authentication? borrowers and nothing else? | |
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11:24 | Joubu | drojf: 'circulate' |
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11:54 | drojf | Joubu: for self checkout. but also for only authentication with another service? |
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12:14 | * andreashm | waves |
12:15 | drojf | hi andreashm |
12:15 | andreashm | hey drojf! |
12:15 | how was your hackfest? | |
12:15 | * LibraryClaire | waves |
12:16 | drojf | hackfest was fun |
12:16 | hi LibraryClaire | |
12:16 | LibraryClaire | hi drojf |
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12:20 | tcohen | hola #koha |
12:20 | drojf | hi tcohen |
12:20 | tcohen | gmcharlt: thanks |
12:20 | hi drojf! | |
12:21 | andreashm | hi tcohen |
12:21 | tcohen | hey andreashm |
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12:36 | mveron | Hi #koha |
12:38 | andreashm | hey mveron |
12:38 | mveron | hey andreashm |
12:43 | drojf | hi mveron |
12:44 | mveron | hi drojf |
12:50 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
12:50 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
12:51 | mveron | @wunder Allschwil |
12:51 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 21.0°C (2:30 PM CEST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
12:51 | LibraryClaire | @wunder LCY |
12:51 | huginn | LibraryClaire: The current temperature in London City, United Kingdom is 23.0°C (1:20 PM BST on June 07, 2016). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
12:51 | LibraryClaire | I can hear thunder :O |
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13:07 | tcohen | Joubu: around? |
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13:58 | polar_ | Hi all, new to Koha. Just started digging into ebooks. Installed a windows based platform with Calibre-ebooks. Works great for me, but does not support lending, only web based downloading. Just wondering if Koha could be more practical. Just want an interface that makes it easy for users to download/loan non-DMR ebooks, but with a nice GUI. No big project, just for privat use. Is Koha right, or maybe overkill? Please your advice. |
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14:04 | kidclamp | hi polar_, it sounds interesting, I don't think koha currently has a method for checking out e-materials (in the sense of only making them available to user after checkout) but for cataloging and providing access it could be used |
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14:06 | drojf | polar_: download/loan a non drm book means you want a link to a file? |
14:07 | or actually circulate it (for whatever reason and in whatever way)? | |
14:07 | bag | morning |
14:08 | drojf | hi bag |
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14:12 | polar_ | @kidclamp: Yes, that was what I was thinking also. Thx for the reply. |
14:12 | huginn | polar_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
14:14 | kidclamp | being able to actually circulate an e-item always sounds cool to me, but then I get thinking it smacks of building in DRM |
14:15 | polar_ | @drojf: Well that is what basically is done now with use of Calibre_eBooks. The web UI xxx:9090 gives acces to book information like "Big" cover image and book description + downloadlink of the CBR file. But I have no user control. Other then that it does the job. So I guess that Koha will give more "user" management. Could be interesting to see how Koha actually removes or disables the eBook after f.ex. 10 days of lending. |
14:15 | huginn | polar_: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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14:16 | kidclamp | no @'s needed in this channel polar_ , just the username |
14:16 | polar_ | Kidclamp: Thx :) |
14:17 | kidclamp | :-) |
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14:18 | polar_ | I assume as soon as one uses DRM protected eBooks, Koha will need a plugin ro something to f.ex. Adobe DRM server? |
14:18 | But FYI, DRM is not important for my project. | |
14:18 | drojf | polar_: koha does not really do what you are looking for then. and i don't see the point in doing that. limiting access to something that has no reason to be limited is strange |
14:19 | rocio | buen dia |
14:19 | polar_ | drojf: Reason I strart without DRM is to keep it simple. Learn the basics, get a basic system running, later implement DRM. |
14:20 | Joubu | tcohen: yep? |
14:20 | wahanui | yep. |
14:21 | drojf | polar_: drm stuff usually happens outside of koha. on the side of providers of such kind of things. like the ebsco plugin |
14:21 | polar_ | huginn: What is RDA? |
14:21 | wahanui | RDA is my cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad |
14:21 | huginn | polar_: I suck |
14:25 | drojf | i don't think drm will have a bright future as part of koha |
14:25 | i hope it will have none at all | |
14:25 | polar_ | agree with that drojf |
14:26 | drojf | you just said you want to implement it |
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14:30 | tcohen | Joubu: I have master installed, DB created, and it sends me to the install process |
14:30 | polar_ | So the actual question remains. If the main goal is to catalogue eBooks and offer a web interface for browsing the metadata, and downloading a copy of the document, and Calibre does the job, is their any specific reason why I should consider Koha? It looks like a mighty fine piece of software. |
14:30 | tcohen | like it had caching issues! |
14:31 | Joubu | tcohen: something in the logs? |
14:32 | polar_ | drojf: Yes I want to implement it, because in the world we live in, DRM is an evil we have to live with :) |
14:33 | tcohen | https://snag.gy/mh0GPR.jpg |
14:33 | Joubu ^^^^ | |
14:33 | kidclamp | polar_: I think you have to evaluate that yourself - koha is intended as an ILS, offering full functions for libraries. It is great software and does a lot and has a wonderful community if you need it. |
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14:34 | polar_ | drojf: But I also write my own eBooks. Right now I put them on an eCommerce platform, free for download for my subscriber clients. But I gues building a library could be an alternative way to go. |
14:35 | Joubu | tcohen: nothing useful at first glance |
14:35 | tcohen: How could I recreate? | |
14:36 | tcohen | Joubu: I'm not sure |
14:37 | even the templates are picking the language names from the DB | |
14:37 | ("English" instead of the usual "en", hehe) | |
14:38 | polar_ | OK, will be doing some reading up on this. Found a well documented book "Koha 3 Library Management System by Savitra Sirohi & Amit Gupta". Nice late night reading :). |
14:42 | tcohen | Joubu: well, this message is fun |
14:43 | https://snag.gy/ynWe3P.jpg | |
14:43 | Joubu | Koha 3 is outdated, the current version is 16.05 |
14:44 | (smiley missing) | |
14:44 | tcohen: why is it refering to the postgres doc? | |
14:44 | tcohen | exactly! |
14:46 | Joubu | it seems that the "mysql" var is not set and it assumes that you are using postgresql |
14:46 | polar_ | bye for now, thanks for the chat ! |
14:47 | Joubu: Yes I noticed :). | |
14:48 | Joubu | tcohen: I don't find where this var is set |
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14:49 | tcohen | config->db_scheme |
14:50 | Joubu | tcohen: note that I have an issue also, I get "Error: IP address has changed. Please log in again " after a logout > login |
14:50 | I have to log twice | |
14:50 | tcohen: yes, but the template is testing [% IF mysql %] and there is not $template->param( mysql => 1 ) in the script | |
14:51 | or $dbms => 1 | |
14:51 | tcohen | Context.pm:383 |
14:51 | ah | |
14:57 | polar_ | hmmm, has Koha native support for eBook lending? I found two websites saying "we use a system based on Koha". Does this mean Koha out of the box does not support eBooks? |
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15:02 | polar_ | in 2015 there is mentioned a Internet Archive Bookreader. Is that related to eBooks lending then? Sorry for asking. So many options to look at :) |
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15:16 | reiveune1 | bye |
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15:23 | Joubu | khall: Are you aware of bug 16686? Any idea how we could fix it? |
15:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab |
15:23 | khall | Joubu: I'll take a look! |
15:23 | talljoy | morning #koha |
15:24 | Joubu | khall: thanks |
15:24 | morning talljoy | |
15:25 | talljoy | it is still 'barely' morning. i slept well last night after all that travel |
15:27 | LibraryClaire | Hi talljoy |
15:32 | talljoy | hi LibraryClaire |
15:36 | LibraryClaire | :) |
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15:51 | khall | Joubu: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16686 |
15:51 | huginn | 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab |
15:51 | Joubu | thx khall! |
15:51 | khall | np! |
15:52 | Joubu | khall: datesent needs to be fixed as well |
15:52 | khall | ah, will do! |
15:53 | drojf | later #koha |
15:53 | Joubu | khall: and not sure it's a good idea to call 3x GetTransfers |
15:54 | * cait | waves |
15:54 | cait | so many emails from being away :( |
15:54 | * cait | vanishes again |
15:54 | Joubu | bug 11089 and bug 16400 are waiting for QA pov |
15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleishaamohia, Signed Off , Item edit screen should use floating toolbar like cataloging interface |
15:54 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Proposal to uniform the placement of submit buttons | |
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16:05 | mveron | Hi khall, I get an error while testing Bug 16686 |
16:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16686 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab |
16:05 | mveron | Template process failed: undef error - Can't call method "_columns" without a package or object reference at /usr/share/kohaclone/Koha/Object.pm line 266. |
16:10 | khall | Joubu: updated: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=16686 |
16:10 | huginn | 04Bug 16686: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Fix "Item in transit from since" in Holds tab |
16:14 | * mveron | is called for dinner |
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16:28 | kidclamp | joubu - you don't have expiry date set to required do you? I can't recreate what you saw |
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16:31 | Joubu | kidclamp: no, BorrowerMandatoryField contains firstname|surname |
16:31 | kidclamp | hrm..I will keep investigating |
16:32 | if guarantor form is needed I think it makes more sense/is easier to pull it over wholesale if present | |
16:33 | Joubu | kidclamp: yes and it won't be easy to support. Would be good to add a note in the pref description |
16:34 | kidclamp: ho wait, it does not work with xxx | |
16:34 | but guarantorxxx | |
16:34 | ??? | |
16:34 | kidclamp: fill patronquickaddfields with surname|sex|guarantorxxx | |
16:35 | and you will see the extra expiry date field | |
16:35 | kidclamp | yup, thanks (sorta) I think it might be hitting that 'to' in guarantor |
16:36 | though it shouldn't :D | |
16:42 | yeah, indexOf( input_label ) is finding 'to' in guarantorxxx and assuming you want to show 'to' | |
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19:35 | tcohen | nye #lpha |
19:36 | shift -1 | |
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20:49 | rangi | morning |
20:49 | cait | morning and welcome back rnagi |
20:49 | LibraryClaire | hi rangi! |
20:50 | rangi | hey cait and LibraryClaire |
20:50 | cait | hey LibraryClaire :) |
20:50 | LibraryClaire | hi cait :) |
20:50 | cait | haven't been around much here the last 2 days - did you get back well? |
20:50 | LibraryClaire | me? |
20:50 | wahanui | LibraryClaire is, like, the monster under my bed |
20:51 | rangi | hehehe |
20:51 | LibraryClaire | lol |
20:51 | rangi | i spot the hand of eythian |
20:51 | LibraryClaire | cait: yes I did thanks, it would have been more pleasant without being ill but it was ok! |
20:53 | cait | no me :) i got lost in the big email pile |
20:53 | how are you feeling now? cold gone? | |
20:54 | LibraryClaire | not great :( |
20:54 | cait | meh :( |
20:54 | LibraryClaire | it's worse |
20:54 | cait | staying home? |
20:54 | LibraryClaire | nah, I went in today, though it was potentially the wrong choice |
20:55 | rangi | may as well make everyone else sick too eh? :-) |
20:55 | LibraryClaire | spreading the love |
20:55 | rangi | did you get your certificates? |
20:55 | cait | yep |
20:56 | i printed it even heh | |
20:56 | bag | heya |
20:56 | LibraryClaire | yes |
20:56 | cait | it's on my whiteboard onw |
20:56 | LibraryClaire | hi bag |
20:57 | cait | hi bag :) |
20:57 | bag: sharing the peanut butter goodness with the coworkers | |
20:57 | bag | nice :) |
20:57 | cait | I think it's safe to say we can all agree on 'yum' |
20:57 | bag | :) |
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20:59 | cait | bag: did you make it home well too? I think we just missed you at the airport |
21:00 | bag | yup 28 hours |
21:00 | I have the lag of jet | |
21:00 | LibraryClaire | ouch |
21:00 | rangi | only 4 less than me this time, i had less sitting in airport time on the way back |
21:01 | cait | ugh |
21:01 | we had quite a pleasant trip this time... but i think next time it will be harder again | |
21:01 | i was home about 2pm | |
21:05 | * cait | is going to face 1000 bug mails onw |
21:05 | cait | wish me luck :) |
21:05 | LibraryClaire | heh good luck! |
21:05 | rangi | good luck |
21:06 | cait | :) |
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21:28 | LibraryClaire | Hm, throat feels full of tiny knives, bed for me. Night #koha |
21:28 | rangi | sleep well |
21:29 | wizzyrea | do we have a new very nice group photo from kohacon? |
21:29 | rangi | they took one, not sure where it ended up |
21:30 | wizzyrea | I saw the one from the last day but it didn't look like the full grou[ |
21:30 | group* | |
21:30 | cait | hm |
21:30 | rangi | http://www.livemedia.com/kohacon16 <-- not one here |
21:30 | cait | i think there was one on twitter - but not sure where lese |
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21:31 | cait | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj70wc7WsAAkkM5.jpg ? |
21:35 | it might not b the official one - the one in the video seems different? | |
21:35 | rangi | yeah not sure |
21:39 | wizzyrea | Hm ok! |
21:40 | general request, if you spot the official one before I do, please let me know so I can update the photo on the website. I might miss the "team self organised into a heart" photo though. | |
21:41 | cait | yeah :) |
21:42 | wizzyrea | cait, what would the german translation of this be |
21:42 | Koha is a fully featured, scalable library management system. Development is sponsored by libraries of varying types and sizes, volunteers, and support companies worldwide. | |
21:42 | i want to test our multilang wordpress :P | |
21:42 | cait | um |
21:43 | it's hard! | |
21:43 | wizzyrea | ok, easier |
21:44 | how about "The worlds first free and open source library system" | |
21:44 | or "official website of Koha library software" | |
21:44 | cait | Das erste freie und Open-Source-Bibliothekssystem der Welt! |
21:44 | Offizielle Webseite der Bibliothekssoftware Koha | |
21:48 | wizzyrea | cait++ |
21:48 | cait | wizzyrea++ :) |
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22:00 | holey | Hi all |
22:01 | rangi | hi holey |
22:03 | holey | testing only now |
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22:07 | mveron | Good nighttime / daytime #koha |
22:10 | * mveron | is glad about Bug 16346 |
22:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=16346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, In Discussion , Website should be translatable |
22:11 | mveron | ...but it's late, let's call it a day. |
22:13 | wizzyrea | it'll be a major pain in the butt, hope you're ready ;) |
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23:36 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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