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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:20 | dcook | eythian: Were you the one that linked that wesome i18n youtube video? |
| 00:20 | Maybe it was cjh... | |
| 00:20 | eythian | twas me |
| 00:21 | dcook | What's the title or link again? |
| 00:21 | * dcook | is going to include it in an email :p |
| 00:21 | eythian | it's by tomm scott |
| 00:21 | -m | |
| 00:21 | dcook | Beauty. Cheers |
| 00:21 | eythian | wahanui: internationalisation |
| 00:21 | wahanui | eythian: what? |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j74jcxSunY |
| 00:21 | dcook | winning, both of you |
| 00:22 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY this one is pretty good too. |
| 00:22 | dcook | Prepare for yet another Zebra email ;) |
| 00:22 | I don't know how ES or Solr would do it either though.. | |
| 00:23 | "it" being... | |
| 00:23 | How to treat "special" characters | |
| 00:23 | In Danish, å and aa are the same thing | |
| 00:23 | But they sure aren't in English | |
| 00:23 | So you might be able to specify that rule at search time, but what do you do at indexing time? | |
| 00:23 | * dcook | 's head explodes |
| 00:24 | dcook | You also can't map å to a in Danish, I think, as those are completely different characters |
| 00:24 | Although for sorting purposes, maybe you can get away with it | |
| 00:25 | * dcook | imagines that Indexdata must be as sick of hearing from him as koha-devel :p |
| 00:26 | eythian | my hypothetical solution was to note the language the record was in and use that information when ES analyses it. |
| 00:26 | not sure if it'd work, I didn't give it a lot of thought | |
| 00:28 | I don't think I would consider doing full dumps a few times per day any sort of best practice. | |
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| 00:29 | cait | hm yeah |
| 00:30 | wizzyrea | sigh. |
| 00:33 | dcook | The only thing is that records aren't necessarily in just one language :/ |
| 00:33 | Yeah, I wouldn't do multiple full dumps a day | |
| 00:33 | I certainly wouldn't consider it "incremental" either | |
| 00:36 | I'd never heard of incremental MySQL backups though... although it looks perhaps like it's an "enterprise" thing? | |
| 00:36 | Ah, I guess you could use the binary logs.. | |
| 00:37 | * dcook | is going to stop being sidetracked... |
| 01:00 | cait | bag++ |
| 01:00 | hm i think we might backup transaction logs? | |
| 01:02 | dcook | I don't know if transaction logs are necessarily that useable though |
| 01:02 | I think you can playback binary logs? | |
| 01:02 | * dcook | pretends not to be distracted |
| 01:04 | cait | heh |
| 01:05 | i think you can restore with what we have to a certain hour during a day | |
| 01:05 | but i might got the name wrong | |
| 01:09 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 01:15 | eythian | dcook: if records contain multiple languages and you can't flag them on a field-by-field basis, you've already lost. |
| 01:18 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOE-m-UdQA <-- cait, when you visit Amsterdam again, beware you don't end up on the wrong train | |
| 01:21 | dcook | eythian: Yeah, I think we've already lost as well. |
| 01:21 | I guess DSpace does flag things on a field by field basis... | |
| 01:21 | MARC-- | |
| 01:21 | I'm thinking an intermediary format would be awesomesauce | |
| 01:21 | But it would have its own challenges... especially as library folk are hardwired for MARC | |
| 01:22 | Well, except the ones who've never heard of it...>_> | |
| 01:22 | rangi | which is most of them |
| 01:22 | people seem to forget that | |
| 01:22 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 01:23 | eythian | dcook: you saw my talk slide about that... |
| 01:24 | (specifically, it was this image: https://eutopialaw.files.wordp[…]syndrome-logo.jpg ) | |
| 01:25 | cait | heh |
| 01:29 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:30 | I was thinking about this recently... | |
| 01:30 | Why do libraries want to use MARC? | |
| 01:30 | Well, copy cataloguing | |
| 01:30 | So you need to be able to ingest MARC | |
| 01:30 | Easy | |
| 01:30 | Do they really need to be able to export it? Perhaps... | |
| 01:30 | rangi | not really no |
| 01:30 | pretty much no one wants it | |
| 01:31 | dcook | Well maybe not "want" |
| 01:31 | cait | hmm not sure that's true |
| 01:31 | dcook | But it's a requirement a lot of the time |
| 01:31 | rangi | national libraries want quality records |
| 01:31 | not your locally catalogued stuff | |
| 01:31 | cait | i think it depends on the type of library |
| 01:32 | rangi | i can't think of anything, other than another library, that would ever want a MARC record |
| 01:32 | dcook | Ahh, I see what you're saying rangi |
| 01:32 | Possibly another system | |
| 01:32 | Like an aggregator/discovery/whatever thing | |
| 01:33 | And just for lack of another standard | |
| 01:33 | rangi | yep |
| 01:33 | cait | use cases i can think of are union catalogs |
| 01:33 | rds | |
| 01:33 | databases | |
| 01:33 | wahanui | databases are not automated. |
| 01:33 | cait | and i have had all that happen |
| 01:33 | rangi | yes, just other libraries |
| 01:33 | no one else in the world wants it | |
| 01:33 | cait | also... if you ever want to switch to another ils |
| 01:34 | rangi | then your marc records probably have to be massaged/fixed anyway |
| 01:34 | which takes about as long as making them | |
| 01:34 | * rangi | has done a few migrations now :) |
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| 01:34 | cait | we migrated only from one system that gave us marc so far |
| 01:34 | and it was the fastest one | |
| 01:35 | the fastest migration | |
| 01:35 | dcook | rangi: I was thinking a bit about bibliographic data and the rest of the world... |
| 01:36 | I suppose that's why Worldcat is a thing | |
| 01:36 | No reason why so many libraries need to have their own copies of Record X | |
| 01:36 | The library just needs access points for physical and electronic resources | |
| 01:36 | I need to write a blog post and link it for LODLAM... | |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | the reason is because of rule 123. |
| 01:36 | rangi | i dont think there is any need to store it as MARC anymore |
| 01:37 | hasnt been for 20 odd years | |
| 01:37 | dcook | Agreed |
| 01:37 | Well at least not internally | |
| 01:37 | tcohen | jared set a great starting point with Koha::MetadataRecord |
| 01:37 | dcook | Maybe serialize it as MARCXML inbetween systems, although even then... |
| 01:38 | rangi | tcohen: yep, he did, we should revisit that |
| 01:39 | * dcook | always meant to look at that |
| 01:39 | dcook | Not me volunteering though :p |
| 01:40 | * dcook | has his hands full with Zebra and all the other things.. |
| 01:40 | dcook | But yeah, we don't have to use MARC with Zebra either |
| 01:40 | We could use any XML format | |
| 01:40 | I was actually thinking about that too... | |
| 01:40 | tcohen | dcook: leave the MARCXML alone, add other formats :-D |
| 01:41 | dcook | That's what I mean :p |
| 01:41 | Well, MARCXML would have to go | |
| 01:41 | The only thing I would want is to be able to import/export | |
| 01:41 | tcohen | and why not put patron data there too? (ES or Zebra) |
| 01:41 | dcook | But not use it internally |
| 01:41 | I don't know if there would be any advance to that | |
| 01:41 | advantage* | |
| 01:41 | tcohen | we end up writing weird code trying to implement some relevance sorting when we have the tools to do it right |
| 01:41 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 01:41 | rangi | yup |
| 01:42 | dcook | What do you mean about relevance sorting? |
| 01:42 | tcohen | I mean auto-complete features |
| 01:42 | rangi | we can index users in ES |
| 01:42 | tcohen | you cannot give them just an alphabetic sort |
| 01:42 | dcook | Ahh |
| 01:42 | tcohen | it becomes useless |
| 01:42 | cait | we coul dindex everything there... and have facets :) |
| 01:42 | orders... with facets for the vendor... the date... | |
| 01:43 | dcook | index all the things! |
| 01:43 | tcohen | I knew a librarian would embrace it :-D |
| 01:43 | dcook | I wonder sometimes how difficult it would be to separate MARC out.. |
| 01:43 | Probably a million times harder than my wildest imagination | |
| 01:45 | rangi | i reckon just ingest it, stick it somewhere, and never touch it again |
| 01:45 | bag | yeah I really want to index users in ES - that’s something coming down the road |
| 01:45 | when we’ve got the time | |
| 01:46 | dcook | rangi: I like that idea, although I wonder how many libraries will want MARC out |
| 01:46 | rangi | the longer we keep showing people MARC, the longer we prolong the problem |
| 01:46 | no one should ever see it | |
| 01:46 | cait | true |
| 01:47 | it's not for users | |
| 01:47 | dcook | true true |
| 01:47 | When I say someone, I mean a library/librarian | |
| 01:47 | rangi | creating MARC records isn't hard |
| 01:48 | dcook | Creating accurate ones isn't easy :p |
| 01:48 | rangi | if someone really wants one |
| 01:48 | dcook | The leader and controlfields can be... less than fun |
| 01:48 | Although who really pays much attention to those anyway | |
| 01:48 | The core content would be easy enough to export as MARC | |
| 01:49 | And if we have an extensible internal format, it's not necessarily that hard to add new fields if we need them | |
| 01:49 | * dcook | still wishes he understood linked data better |
| 01:49 | dcook | I think it has to rely on a local cache... |
| 01:49 | Otherwise you couldn't index anything | |
| 01:50 | And then you must refresh your cache from the linked source.. | |
| 01:50 | tcohen | dcook: you need to feed a search engine, it is easier to have them locallyç |
| 01:51 | eythian | search engines need a steady supply of human flesh, after all. |
| 01:51 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:52 | tcohen: So you feed the search engine a local cached version... do you also display that local cached version? | |
| 01:52 | I find the idea of importing linked data interesting.. | |
| 01:52 | Which is probably a uniquely library problem | |
| 01:52 | Well maybe not.. | |
| 01:52 | But the idea that you'd write your own linked data records for your holdings... | |
| 01:52 | tcohen | dcook: why not think another use cases? like importing a thesaurus |
| 01:52 | dcook | Because you need to describe what you have/have access to.. |
| 01:53 | tcohen: A thesaurus is general though, so that should be easy enough | |
| 01:53 | What I mean is.. | |
| 01:53 | You have Records 1-100 | |
| 01:54 | Or rather... Items 1-100 | |
| 01:54 | And you can get records 50-100 from the national library | |
| 01:54 | But you have to write your own 1-49 records | |
| 01:54 | So you write your records... maybe link to the national library for authorized terms or to their thesaurus | |
| 01:54 | But then you import the other 50-100? | |
| 01:55 | Who would want your data? | |
| 01:55 | It's not necessarily unique | |
| 01:55 | tcohen | dcook: do you want them to be searchable from a UI for the end user? |
| 01:55 | dcook | Of course |
| 01:55 | No point having them if the user can't search for htem | |
| 01:55 | them* | |
| 01:55 | tcohen | you need to grab them, each time you want to index them |
| 01:56 | dcook | Right |
| 01:56 | tcohen | i'd have a local cache, probably through OAI sets harvesting or smth like that |
| 01:57 | dcook | O_o |
| 01:57 | So you have multiple caches? | |
| 01:57 | One for the original record, and one for the dereferenced record? | |
| 01:57 | The dereferenced record gets fed to your search engine and shown to users | |
| 01:57 | The original is used to update the dereferenced records | |
| 01:58 | You get the original records either via OAI-PMH or manual cataloguing or some other method... | |
| 01:58 | I've been thinking about duplicates with that scenario as well... | |
| 01:59 | In theory, the URI/IRI for the records you harvest via OAI-PMH will still point to the original source | |
| 01:59 | But... you're hosting those records now | |
| 01:59 | So surely you'd need to re-write that | |
| 01:59 | e.g. <bf:Text rdf:about="http://bibframe.org/resources/sample-lc-1/148862"> | |
| 02:00 | And then how do you serialize that for other people who want to link to your content? | |
| 02:00 | 50-100 are just copies from the national library | |
| 02:01 | I should put that in the blog post :p | |
| 02:09 | tcohen | dcook: it needs to simplify things, otherwise something is not ok |
| 02:14 | cait | night all |
| 02:14 | wahanui | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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| 02:15 | dcook | tcohen: How do you mean? |
| 02:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 15199: t/db_dependent/Review.t should not depend on existing data <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c46b68d28299aefd9> / Bug 14954: Remove unused C4::Calendar::addDate subroutine <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e34e54a900c59326c> / Bug 14954: (followup) Display exceptions in syspref format <http://git.koha-commu |
| 03:21 | tcohen | I really like Firefox Developer Edition |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | it's not terrible :) |
| 03:21 | (but I've only used it a little) | |
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| 03:43 | wizzyrea | well that is a weird bug. |
| 03:46 | select all -> add to list from a result page gives you double ups in your list. | |
| 03:48 | (that'll be 3.20.5, not master. I haven't checked master) | |
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| 04:29 | Francesca | home at last |
| 04:29 | an entire day of python is hard work | |
| 04:30 | @wunder wlf | |
| 04:30 | huginn | Francesca: Error: HTTP Error 404: Not Found |
| 04:30 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 04:30 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:34 | dcook | @wunder syd |
| 04:34 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 37.0°C (3:00 PM AEDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:34 | dcook | 37... sounds about right |
| 04:35 | It's a bit warm out there | |
| 04:46 | Francesca | nicer than here |
| 04:47 | dcook | 12 degrees isn't bad |
| 04:47 | I don't mind the 37 so much as I'm in an office now :p | |
| 04:47 | air conditioned office* | |
| 04:47 | These boots sure trap the heat though | |
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| 04:49 | Francesca | lol |
| 04:50 | saa | is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC |
| 04:50 | can someone guide us doing it in koha | |
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| 05:56 | saa | is it possible to customize metadata fields as per document type in koha and see them in opac and staff client. we have a collection of videos and we wanted to add video duration, editor, director etc. as metadata fields and they should also be available on staff client and OPAC |
| 06:15 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:19 | magnuse | @later tell rangi when i woke up, koha-under-plack would not play well with memcached again |
| 06:19 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:50 | mveron | Good morning / daytime #koha |
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| 07:30 | fridolin | hie |
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| 07:33 | June | Hi |
| 07:33 | wahanui | bonjour, June |
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| 07:34 | June | I need help setting up SRU web services for KOHA |
| 07:36 | Using Zebra, I am able to retrieve the records in XML format. | |
| 07:36 | But I couldn't get the records in DC format. | |
| 07:36 | is there anything I need to change in config file? | |
| 07:36 | does anyone know how to solve it? | |
| 07:37 | this is working link http://127.0.0.1:9999/biblios?[…]ordSchema=marcxml | |
| 07:37 | If I set recordSchema=dc, I get an error <uri>info:srw/diagnostic/1/66</uri> <details>dc</details> <message>Unknown schema for retrieval</message> | |
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| 07:42 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:46 | June | hi reiveune |
| 07:46 | reiveune | hi June |
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| 07:53 | magnuse | June: try oai_dc? |
| 07:55 | June | magnuse recordSchema=oai_dc? |
| 07:55 | it is same error | |
| 07:56 | http://127.0.0.1:9999/biblios?[…]cordSchema=oai_dc | |
| 08:00 | magnuse | ah, sorry i was mixing up sru and oai-pmh |
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| 08:00 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:01 | * magnuse | is not too happy about the evrything-on-one-page version of the manual |
| 08:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:16 | cait | morning #koha |
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| 08:17 | June | hi cait |
| 08:17 | cait | hi June |
| 08:17 | June | could you please help me |
| 08:17 | :D | |
| 08:19 | magnuse | June: i think the available formats should be specified in your koha-conf.xml, under <server id="publicserver" listenref="publicserver"> |
| 08:20 | but i suspect at least for normarc there is something wrong with the config there, so the only available format is marcxml | |
| 08:23 | cait | morning mveron :) |
| 08:23 | mveron | cait: Good morning :-) |
| 08:24 | cait | mveron: lots of progress yesterday :) |
| 08:24 | mveron | I atteched a follow-up to bug 14870 but wait with testing |
| 08:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Failed QA , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System |
| 08:24 | cait | i tihnk only 3 bugs now? |
| 08:24 | mveron | And yes, its a great progress |
| 08:25 | cait | i have to leave soon, but will be back late afternoon |
| 08:25 | mveron | cait: Thanks a lot! |
| 08:29 | June | Thanks mveron. I will give a try |
| 08:32 | mveron | June: Thanks! I will also do some more tests on my latest patch on 14870 |
| 08:32 | * mveron | is back in some minutes |
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| 09:03 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:03 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:06 | mveron | @wunder Basel |
| 09:06 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 15.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:11 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 09:11 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:15 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:15 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 AM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.29 in 992 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:15 | magnuse | kinda looks like it might snow |
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| 09:23 | * andreashm | waves |
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| 10:25 | * mveron | connected again |
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| 11:06 | mveron-away | Lunch... |
| 11:06 | wahanui | well, lunch is a good idea :) |
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| 11:36 | tcohen | i really like 3.22 |
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| 12:29 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:33 | magnuse | kia ora tcohen |
| 12:33 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 12:34 | khall? | |
| 12:34 | wahanui | khall is volunteering to come over and fix it for you, it seems. ;) |
| 12:34 | khall | what's up? |
| 12:35 | tcohen | re bug 15032 |
| 12:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Plack testing -- Stage MARC records for import -- Internal Server Error/Stalled Staged Import |
| 12:35 | tcohen | did u or piano have any progress? |
| 12:35 | mveron | Hi again everybody :-) |
| 12:35 | khall | tcohen: I haven't, I'll have to check with piano |
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| 12:53 | andreashm | ah, another Swedish university library choses Koha! sweet! |
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| 13:09 | magnuse | woohoof or gothenburg! |
| 13:09 | gaetan_B | good news andreashm :) |
| 13:10 | tcohen | fridolin: can someone at biblibre restart the jenkins server? |
| 13:11 | xarragon | Anyone know a basic tutorial on Z39.50/yaz? |
| 13:11 | fridolin | tcohen: mmh, i is not in our servers i think |
| 13:12 | I ask | |
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| 13:25 | * mveron | counts remaining bugs for C4::Dates and dd.mm.yyyy date format: 2 (in words: two): Bug 14870 and Bug 12072 |
| 13:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Delete C4/Dates.pm from System |
| 13:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12072 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , New dateformat dd.mm.yyyy | |
| 13:31 | liw | @wunder torrevieja |
| 13:31 | huginn | liw: The current temperature in Acequion, Torrevieja, Spain is 19.4°C (2:31 PM CET on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). |
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| 14:06 | * andreashm | is back again, had a meeting |
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| 14:43 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 15:03 | andreashm | OT question: anyone have any good documentation of the history of Evergreen? or good examples of history/forming of other open source communities? Apart from Koha, I think Hydra is a nice example. |
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| 15:57 | bag | good morning :) The sun is shining |
| 15:58 | @wunder portland or | |
| 15:58 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Portland - West Hills, Portland, Oregon is 4.8°C (7:57 AM PST on November 18, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:58 | bag | chilly but sunny - I’ll take it |
| 16:05 | xarragon | Is there a way in zebra to search a specific MARC record field? |
| 16:05 | Possibly AND:ed together with another one? | |
| 16:06 | And is that expressable through the Koha interface? | |
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| 16:11 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:28 | * mveron | is back in about 5 hours |
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| 17:53 | pianohacker | @later tell cait We have a partner asking about bug 8753. May I ask if there are any QA concerns I could help with? |
| 17:53 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:09 | * cait | waves |
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| 18:24 | bag | heya cait |
| 18:25 | cait | hi bag :) |
| 18:25 | bag | man I run a test and it fails - stop to say hi to cait and now it passes |
| 18:25 | cait | heh |
| 18:25 | bag | good luck charm cait |
| 18:25 | cait | try running it again? |
| 18:25 | which one is t? | |
| 18:25 | i had hat happen recently... fails once, passes all the timeafter that | |
| 18:26 | bag | prove t/db_dependent/Circulation/Returns.t |
| 18:26 | I think I left out a step cait - I must have tested then applied patch - then said hi - then tested again :P | |
| 18:27 | cait | also an option :) |
| 18:27 | tcohen | hi |
| 18:27 | wahanui | bonjour, tcohen |
| 18:27 | tcohen | @seen jenkins_koha |
| 18:27 | huginn | tcohen: jenkins_koha was last seen in #koha 6 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <jenkins_koha> tcohen: you're so kind to me! |
| 18:27 | * cait | had a lovely day away from the computer |
| 18:28 | tcohen | can anyone reboot jenkins :-D ? |
| 18:28 | cait | hm biblibre? |
| 18:28 | wahanui | well, biblibre is everywhere ;) |
| 18:29 | tcohen | which one baG? |
| 18:30 | bag | tcohen is all good :) just following the test plan… It’s all good :D |
| 19:09 | cait | bag++ |
| 19:09 | :) | |
| 20:15 | * mveron | waves |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:24 | so, anyone who's around, please give http://www.koha-community a try | |
| 20:24 | (it should be working fine, let me know if it isn't) | |
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| 20:33 | ibeardslee | seems fine to me |
| 20:34 | wnickc | works with a .org at the end :b |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | hehe |
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| 20:36 | wizzyrea | yay |
| 20:36 | thanks ibeardslee :) | |
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| 20:47 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | hello tcohen |
| 20:52 | tcohen | wizzyrea: do u know who has access to the jenkins server? |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | I am sure rangi does |
| 20:55 | but I'm not sure who else, maybe the wiki knows | |
| 20:56 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration shame - it's not documented. we should find out and write it down | |
| 21:02 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]istration#jenkins.koha-community.org tcohen, for when you find out | |
| 21:05 | eythian | hi |
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| 21:13 | tcohen | wizzyrea: in the meantime have some one fire it up should work |
| 21:19 | cait | me waves |
| 21:19 | * cait | waves even |
| 21:19 | cait | oh now i missed tcohen |
| 21:20 | eythian | it's because you waved wrong |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | THERE IS NO WRONG WAVING. |
| 21:20 | * Dyrcona | waves odd |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | nope, still right. |
| 21:23 | cait | heh thx wizzyrea! |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | cait: did you see the bug I poked you about? |
| 21:25 | cait | i was gone all day today |
| 21:25 | let me take a look now | |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | oh kk |
| 21:25 | it's not urgent, just looking for info | |
| 21:25 | cait | ah |
| 21:25 | it hit qa queue after feature freeze | |
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| 21:26 | cait | sadly - because i'd like to have that too |
| 21:26 | we are focusing on bugs for now - until the release is out | |
| 21:26 | pianohacker | so you've been taking a breather? That makes sense |
| 21:26 | cait | ? |
| 21:26 | pianohacker | I'll tell them it'll get a look later on once the 3.24 cycle gets rolling |
| 21:27 | thank youuuuuu | |
| 21:27 | cait | if breather = break - then nope :P |
| 21:27 | just focusing on bugs vs enh for now | |
| 21:27 | pianohacker | heh, well, from big features |
| 21:27 | cait | because bug fixes still get pushed |
| 21:27 | pianohacker | thank god ;_; |
| 21:27 | thanks for helping me get that rancor bugfix in quickly | |
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| 21:28 | cait | got a quick sign-off - |
| 21:28 | hector++ | |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | yup |
| 21:28 | indeed | |
| 21:34 | cait | wizzyrea: the list bug sounds bad |
| 21:34 | do you know if someone is owrking on it? | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | I don't |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | list bug? |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | idk about "bad" but it's pretty annoying |
| 21:34 | idk how many people "select all -> add to list" | |
| 21:34 | i mean, I do that when I'm testing lists because it's an easy way to get a ton of stuff in a list. | |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | a bug number, my kingdom for a bug number |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | bug 15203 |
| 21:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15203 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , select all -> add to list from a result page in the OPAC gives you double ups in your list |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | gracias |
| 21:35 | that, um. | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | note I haven't tried in master. |
| 21:35 | cait | i think it's OPAC... so bad |
| 21:35 | very bad | |
| 21:35 | hm lt me check that whie the tests run :) | |
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| 21:37 | wizzyrea | ah yeah, it still does it on master |
| 21:38 | cait | hm wierd it works ok for me |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 21:38 | pianohacker | cait: it's not _losing_ data |
| 21:38 | cait | opac - result list - select all - add to new list? |
| 21:38 | pianohacker | in fact, it's kindly making sure you have two copies of it! |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: can you replicate it? |
| 21:38 | it is possible that I have something weird about my db or something. | |
| 21:39 | pianohacker | um lemme try |
| 21:39 | cait | wizzyrea: i can't add the same records twice... |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | it's not explicitly adding them twice |
| 21:39 | cait | my list stays at 20 entires = 1 result list hm. |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | let me look at what's in the database |
| 21:41 | "List deleted with success." lol this message. | |
| 21:41 | that's aside. | |
| 21:42 | it is definitely displaying double ups on the list result page for me | |
| 21:42 | and only when select all | |
| 21:42 | but it's not putting doubles in the db | |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | wft |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | was that a wfm or a wtf? |
| 21:44 | pianohacker | what's a wfm? |
| 21:44 | cause the answer may be both | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | works for me |
| 21:45 | pianohacker | oh |
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| 21:46 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: can't dup |
| 21:46 | cait | wizzyrea: hm checing the views again |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | that's so weird. I can get it every time |
| 21:47 | cait | private or public list? |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | I tried with both |
| 21:47 | cait | hm |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447883251.png |
| 21:48 | * wizzyrea | reindexes |
| 21:48 | tcohen | @later tell rangi is it possible to kick the jenkins server, just in case it wakes up? |
| 21:48 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:48 | cait | tcohen: i think he is in chch today - see twitter |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | oh. don't hit me |
| 21:49 | eythian | he is |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | please don't |
| 21:49 | cait | wizzyrea: can we tickle? |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 21:49 | that is fine | |
| 21:49 | eythian | @fish wizzyrea |
| 21:49 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:49 | eythian | hmm |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | no I don't want to be slapped by a trout. |
| 21:50 | cait | wizzyrea: doubles up records in your db? |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | >.< yes |
| 21:50 | * wizzyrea | dumps that database, we are breaking up for good. |
| 21:50 | * cait | sends chocolate |
| 21:50 | cait | ... I had a bad bugzilla day yesterday too |
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| 21:51 | wizzyrea | that completely explains the database though |
| 21:52 | of course it's got the 20 in there. because there were 10 records, twice. Ugh. | |
| 21:53 | cait | hm |
| 21:53 | how do i best find hte one suppressed record in my db... | |
| 21:53 | ah . sql. | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | yeah. |
| 21:54 | how come normarc isn't an option in the installer, don't we support it? | |
| 21:54 | just curious | |
| 21:54 | I don't actually care that it's not there | |
| 21:54 | but someone might. | |
| 21:56 | cait | hm i think it only appars for norwegian |
| 21:56 | Francesca | good morning |
| 21:56 | wahanui | well, it's morning somewhere, yes |
| 21:56 | cait | i think the normarc sample data/frameworks etc. only exist in the norwegian web installer |
| 21:56 | so it doesn't get listed when you run it in another language | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 21:58 | bless you all for putting up with my dumb questions | |
| 22:00 | pianohacker | that's not actually a dumb question |
| 22:00 | I would have been surprised by that too | |
| 22:04 | cait | wizzyrea: ... i just did one of those fail qas where immediaely after you hit 'save' in bugzilla, you know it's your fault |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | <sympathy> |
| 22:04 | pianohacker | I knew it! |
| 22:05 | eythian | http://www.itchyfeetcomic.com/[…]ativity-pt-2.html <-- cait |
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| 22:06 | cait | eythian: heh |
| 22:07 | hm go wheel i would translate to drive wheel... | |
| 22:07 | and i have no idea about into-the-groundening | |
| 22:07 | eythian | that doesn't make it better |
| 22:07 | cait | we have 'under-the-earth-bringing' tho... |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | hm. I'm thinking about how we "hide" setting permissions |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | ? |
| 22:08 | eythian | cait: is potato "ground apple" there too? |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | I just had the rather daft thought that maybe that function should be a tab on the side |
| 22:08 | instead of under "more" | |
| 22:08 | cait | that depends on where you ask people in germany :) |
| 22:08 | eythian | fair enough :) |
| 22:08 | Francesca | lol ground apple |
| 22:09 | cait | wizzyrea: hm not sur aboutthe tab... we already got so many and it only applies to a few users |
| 22:09 | pianohacker | yeah... |
| 22:09 | * eythian | notes that "orange" (the colour) in English comes from "orange" (the fruit.) Not the other way around. |
| 22:09 | pianohacker | the interface could use some love tho |
| 22:09 | Francesca | interface? |
| 22:09 | wahanui | it has been said that interface is optional. |
| 22:09 | Francesca | what for? |
| 22:09 | cait | eythian: and most of those words are very fitting! |
| 22:10 | eythian | cait: sure, but not creative :) |
| 22:10 | cait | pf |
| 22:10 | eythian | good poing |
| 22:10 | cait | what's a naked snail in english? |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | slug |
| 22:10 | eythian | what is with "pferd" anyway? |
| 22:10 | who puts "pf" like that? | |
| 22:10 | cait | horse? |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | permissions is both a function and a view |
| 22:11 | eythian | also pfepper or however you say it :) |
| 22:11 | cait | pfeffer |
| 22:11 | = pepper | |
| 22:11 | eythian | that's right |
| 22:11 | wahanui | no it's not. |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | Francesca: for the borrower details/circulation pages |
| 22:11 | Francesca | oh |
| 22:12 | cool | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | that more menu is a hodgepodge of "stuff" |
| 22:12 | * Francesca | just pays attention to the idea that something needs prettying up |
| 22:13 | cait | true |
| 22:13 | like the more at the top :) | |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | I've never been sure why cataloguing was under "more" |
| 22:14 | it's 50% of the reason a librarian might use Koha | |
| 22:14 | cait | hm and tools |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | (give or take) |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | yes |
| 22:14 | there should be a rancor button in the top toolbar | |
| 22:14 | instant rancor | |
| 22:14 | cait | with a little dinosaur? |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | I think the star wars character would make a lumpy, angry icon |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | http://images.fun.com/products[…]-rancor-plush.jpg |
| 22:15 | pianohacker | hehehe |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | actually I'd love to fix up the tools page. |
| 22:16 | oh there was another thing I wanted to do to the label creator too. | |
| 22:16 | I wanted to add that "tools" sidebar to it | |
| 22:16 | to match many of the other tools | |
| 22:16 | cait | ew |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea: i'd like that | |
| 22:16 | maybe add a bug? | |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | yeah actually that's an omnibus, there are quite a few tools that don't have it |
| 22:17 | uneven in application :/ | |
| 22:17 | there are probably tools that aren't listed in the sidebar too | |
| 22:19 | that... will be a challenge on the "tags moderation" page because of the filters that are already in that sidebar. | |
| 22:19 | that's going to take some thinking | |
| 22:19 | eythian | https://imgur.com/V9IMBIr |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | teehee |
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| 22:22 | mveron | good night / daytime #koha |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | hum, did we know that deleting quotes makes the interface hang at "processing" |
| 22:23 | TypeError: this.oApi._fnServerParams is not a function | |
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| 22:33 | wizzyrea | http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1447886014.png \o/ |
| 22:34 | Francesca | I want to make it greener somehow |
| 22:34 | buut thats just me | |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | nah, green is bad for colour blind people |
| 22:35 | * Francesca | thinks guiltly of the dashboard |
| 22:37 | eythian | green for differentiation can be bad |
| 22:37 | for decoration I think it's OK | |
| 22:38 | cait | yeah red/green as indicators for something are not good |
| 22:38 | Francesca | thats good |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | (I like green for decoration, but not for things like links) |
| 22:39 | Francesca | mmm |
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| 22:44 | wizzyrea | if you looked at me whilst coming in to work today, you'd realise that I actually quite like green, generally. :) |
| 22:45 | tcohen | khall_away: I love the font awesome icons |
| 22:45 | cait | i think they appear... clearer? |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | they are |
| 22:45 | cait | somehow |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | they scale better. |
| 22:45 | cait | yeah |
| 22:45 | tcohen | they look polished |
| 22:46 | even if they are… similar | |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | I think they're vector |
| 22:46 | tcohen | is that thing… |
| 22:46 | cait | svg i tink |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 22:46 | tcohen | yes, they are |
| 22:46 | cait | some look a bit or more different to before |
| 22:46 | wizzyrea | our designers were asking about adding fontawesome yonks ago |
| 22:46 | so they were pretty excited when I told them :) | |
| 22:46 | Francesca | font awesome? |
| 22:47 | cait | not sure if it's availalbe for opac yet |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | it's only a matter of time amirite |
| 22:47 | Francesca | what is font awesome? |
| 22:47 | cait | and someone has to do it heh :) |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | Francesca could do that :0 |
| 22:47 | :) | |
| 22:47 | cait | Francesca: svg picture you can use like characters in a font |
| 22:47 | Francesca | oh cool |
| 22:47 | cait | ... but someone else can probalby explain it better |
| 22:47 | Francesca | lol |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | google knows everything ^.^ |
| 22:48 | cait | i hope not :) |
| 22:48 | Francesca | and so does wahanui |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | well it knows everything about font awesome :P |
| 22:48 | cait | okok :) |
| 22:48 | Francesca | this looks awesome |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | I'd hope so, since it's got "awesome" in the name. |
| 22:49 | * Francesca | makes a note to use font awesome on one of her old webpages |
| 22:49 | Francesca | lol |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | you should do that, and then go through the opac and fix the icons everywhere to use font-awesome |
| 22:50 | Francesca | I could do that yeah - how do I get to the opac though |
| 22:50 | tcohen | can we focus on bug fixes? for a couple days? |
| 22:51 | we will then revamp the whole project | |
| 22:51 | bag will take care | |
| 22:51 | heh | |
| 22:51 | eythian | just rewrite it in java |
| 22:51 | Francesca | I can do pretty stuff once bug fixing is done |
| 22:51 | bag | :) |
| 22:51 | I’m looking at bugs :) that’s my day | |
| 22:51 | tcohen | no no Francesca |
| 22:51 | the pretty stuff cannot wait! | |
| 22:51 | Francesca | yay! |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 22:53 | Francesca | well let me set up font awesome on my own page first |
| 22:53 | then I shall turn my attention to the opac | |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | yep, that's a sound plan |
| 22:54 | Francesca | might not get started on the opac till tomorrow though - have choir stuff this afternoon |
| 22:56 | I'm looking at this font awesome stuff and wishing I'd known about it before | |
| 22:56 | its just so awesome | |
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| 22:57 | dcook | Thanks for QAing that bug, cait :) |
| 22:58 | You're a legend! | |
| 22:58 | cait | ... when is say it looked just easier than the sip bug next to it... will that destroy that reputation? |
| 22:59 | dcook | Nah, still a legend :) |
| 22:59 | cait | it's not quite true either |
| 22:59 | dcook | That it was easier? |
| 22:59 | cait | we have fallen for the opacsuppression trap a lot of times |
| 22:59 | i think it's a good fix | |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | Francesca: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14915 looking at the patches for this might give you an idea of where to start or how to go about it. |
| 22:59 | huginn | 04Bug 14915: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Use Font Awesome instead of Glyphicons for the staff intranet |
| 23:00 | cait | it certainly was - i still need to get my sip test enviornment working again |
| 23:01 | Francesca | wizzyrea: thanks I'll take a look at those |
| 23:02 | tcohen | Francesca: a good strting point would trying to make the main submit button on the staff interface match the rest of the interface's style |
| 23:02 | Francesca | I can also take a look at that - just not right now as I have to do other stuff |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | yep, there's no rush really |
| 23:03 | Francesca | so much fun! so much stuff to make pretty! |
| 23:03 | cait | Francesca++:) |
| 23:07 | dcook | cait: I'm glad you liked it :) |
| 23:07 | barton|away: I hope that all my Zebra emails have been helpful ;) | |
| 23:07 | cait: It's unfortunate that the opacsuppression patch is needed, but hopefully that will reduce the number of headaches and support calls over that issue | |
| 23:08 | bag | nice job barton chili |
| 23:12 | barton|away | dcook: they are 'helpful' much in the way that Mt. Everist is 'big'. |
| 23:12 | :-) | |
| 23:12 | bag | gonna run some updates on my computer wish me some lucks (hopefully I return :) ) |
| 23:13 | cait | fingerscrossed :) |
| 23:13 | dcook | Last time I ran some updates on my laptop, I spent a fair while afterwards re-installing everything... |
| 23:13 | So bonne chance! | |
| 23:13 | * bag | knocking on wood and all that |
| 23:13 | dcook | barton|away: :p |
| 23:14 | I think in the future it might be worthwhile to use the Zebra and YAZ from Indexdata's repositories rather than the Debian ones... | |
| 23:14 | The Debian maintainer for Zebra doesn't seem all that keen on maintaining it | |
| 23:14 | Perhaps one of us could take over maintaining | |
| 23:14 | it | |
| 23:14 | ... | |
| 23:14 | barton|away | hmm. |
| 23:14 | dcook | I'm going to have a baby soon, so not it. |
| 23:14 | :p | |
| 23:15 | * dcook | thinks tcohen is also a legend |
| 23:15 | dcook | tcohen++ |
| 23:15 | cait++ | |
| 23:15 | barton|away | hm. that's a bit more than I want to bite off. |
| 23:15 | dcook | I want to do a lot of projects, but I know my limits... |
| 23:15 | barton|away | I'd vote the same way :-) |
| 23:16 | tcohen | dcook: i can build a debianzebramaintainerbox vagrant with all you need for maintaining it |
| 23:16 | cait | wnickc++ |
| 23:16 | barton|away | by the way dcook, your email about zebra logging was a piece of awesome that I wasn't expecting. |
| 23:16 | tcohen | easy |
| 23:17 | dcook | tcohen: Well, I am intrigued by the technical aspects... but I think the political aspects would be the tougher part |
| 23:18 | I don't necessarily want to commit to a role that I couldn't invest in | |
| 23:18 | I'm already overworked as it is... although of course right now I'm in IRC, but that's probably a testament to how much work I have at the moment... | |
| 23:18 | Need a few minutes to breathe between things | |
| 23:19 | wnickc | cait++ all the time |
| 23:19 | barton|away | @dcook++ all the time, when it comes to zebra. |
| 23:19 | huginn | barton|away: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 23:20 | tcohen | zebra is ok, but it is no longer a profitable project for indexdata (it hasn't been for a while) so we need to move away from it, ASAP |
| 23:20 | it is a legacy project | |
| 23:20 | for them | |
| 23:21 | cait | kind of a pity.... we finally start to figure out all th things |
| 23:21 | and all the mistakes we made... | |
| 23:22 | tcohen | we should've taken advantage of DOM a long ago! |
| 23:22 | opacsupression would be a candidate | |
| 23:22 | calculating vailable items ,et | |
| 23:22 | c | |
| 23:22 | many things we do *after* we get the data from Zebra | |
| 23:23 | I hope we do it right in ES | |
| 23:24 | cait | hope it doesn't take us as long to learn from past mistakes at least... |
| 23:24 | tcohen | i think zebra will be around for another year and maybe more |
| 23:25 | cait | i think probably more |
| 23:25 | tcohen | so probably worth fixing a couple things hm |
| 23:25 | cait | i'd say so |
| 23:37 | ... and when i wake up... someone has magically signed off Bug 14870 - Delete C4/Dates.pm from System please? :) | |
| 23:38 | the last missing pieces to get rid of C4::Dates for good... | |
| 23:38 | * tcohen | forgot to announce string freeze! |
| 23:44 | Francesca joined #koha | |
| 23:49 | tcohen | oh s*it |
| 23:51 | pianohacker | oh spit |
| 23:59 | cait | night all |
| 23:59 | wahanui | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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