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| 01:04 | dcook | Oh wow... I didn't know about "git log --follow filename" |
| 01:04 | That's beautiful... | |
| 01:11 | eythian | how does it differ from not having --follow? |
| 01:11 | oh, tracks renames | |
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| 01:59 | dcook | Huh... my 3.20.3 is missing a table... I wonder if that was my doing.. |
| 01:59 | Also wondering why about.pl says 3.20.03.000 but systempreferences says 3.2100030... | |
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| 02:15 | eythian | Sirenia: good band |
| 02:20 | magnuse: from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? | |
| 02:21 | @later tell magnuse from the kohadevbox, "Note: do not "apt-get install vagrant" on Ubuntu or Wheezy" ... what about jessie? | |
| 02:21 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 02:26 | jamesb | does anyone know why the cover images from Google Books are only able to be displayed in the OPAC, not the staff interface? |
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| 03:15 | jamesb | anyone know if there is a reason the Google Books cover images aren't displayed in the staff interface? |
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| 05:40 | dcook | wth... |
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| 05:40 | * cait | waves |
| 05:40 | dcook | heya cait |
| 05:40 | cait | hi dcook :) |
| 05:41 | just commented on 10306 too | |
| 05:43 | dcook | bug 10306 |
| 05:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10306 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Publication information can only be mapped to either 260 or 264 (RDA) |
| 05:43 | dcook | Ahh, cool :) |
| 05:44 | cait | I'd like to keep it storing things in the db if possible... but i guess you'd have to prioritize one field over the others then - also thinking about the new indicators |
| 05:44 | i thik that shouuld be possible with galen's suggestion, but not sure | |
| 05:44 | eythian | hi cait, dcook |
| 05:45 | dcook | yo eythian |
| 05:46 | cait | morning |
| 05:46 | dcook | Ahh I totally misread what Nicole wrote |
| 05:46 | cait | you both should go home i guess |
| 05:46 | dcook | Almost time for this guy |
| 05:50 | cait | dcook: the keyword mappings allow mulitple... it's a bit of a messy thing right now |
| 05:50 | the usual :) | |
| 05:51 | not to get started about publicationyear vs. copyrightdate (MARC21 vs. UNIMARC standard mappings) | |
| 05:51 | dcook | Yeah I think the keyword mappings is about showing rather than storing though |
| 05:51 | Rather not fiddle with that too much.. | |
| 05:59 | eythian | cait: yeah, I'm planning slides for a talk |
| 05:59 | well, at this stage I'm just planning the talk | |
| 05:59 | soon I'll be planning slides, but not today | |
| 06:01 | cait | what are you talking about? |
| 06:02 | eythian | https://2015.osdc.com.au/sched[…]/presentation/39/ <-- this is me |
| 06:02 | aw, and I'm on at the same time as a workshop I want to go to | |
| 06:02 | rats | |
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| 06:04 | dcook | eythian: Which was that? |
| 06:04 | The F-Droid one? | |
| 06:04 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:04 | dcook | Yeah, it seems interesting |
| 06:05 | I'm planning on coming to yours though ;) | |
| 06:05 | eythian | I also want to learn about ansible, so I'll go to that instead |
| 06:05 | dcook | Hmm... they've added more to the schedule.. |
| 06:05 | eythian | excellent :) |
| 06:05 | OK, time for me to go | |
| 06:05 | later | |
| 06:05 | dcook | I like to think I'm knowledgeable about Ansible but that's not a bad idea either.. |
| 06:05 | laters, eythian | |
| 06:06 | Hmm provocative description | |
| 06:06 | Time for this guy to head home too.. | |
| 06:07 | Damn... didn't quite finish what I wanted to finish today... | |
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| 06:24 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:36 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:05 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:05 | wahanui | what's up, gaetan_B |
| 07:06 | Joubu | Hello #koha |
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| 07:11 | fridolin | hie there |
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| 07:43 | kivilahtio | good morning |
| 07:43 | wahanui | well, it's morning somewhere, yes |
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| 08:07 | magnuse | hiya kivilahtio |
| 08:07 | kivilahtio | hi magnuse! How do you do? |
| 08:07 | magnuse | doing good! and being busy... |
| 08:07 | and yourself? | |
| 08:07 | kivilahtio | good to hear |
| 08:07 | magnuse: is everybody in Norway already migrating to Koha? | |
| 08:08 | magnuse: busy busy | |
| 08:08 | magnuse | nah, not all at once |
| 08:08 | not as fast as in finland, i think | |
| 08:08 | kivilahtio | magnuse: I got three university students doing a summer job and trying to migrate the last libraries so we have the whole province under Koha |
| 08:08 | magnuse | oh, i saw somewhere there is now a koha company in finland? owned by the municipalities? |
| 08:08 | woohoo! | |
| 08:09 | kivilahtio | magnuse: not sure where you saw it... |
| 08:09 | magnuse: but we are forming it | |
| 08:09 | magnuse: KohaSuomi Oy | |
| 08:09 | magnuse: but looks like that the whole Finland will be running Koha in a few years | |
| 08:09 | magnuse: well atleast half of it :) | |
| 08:10 | magnuse: the bigger hald :) | |
| 08:10 | magnuse: we are targeting next year to get all the municipalities to agree on an executive level and form the company | |
| 08:11 | magnuse: it is a BIG PROCESS to get the paper stamped in dozens of small municipalities | |
| 08:14 | magnuse: but luckily we have some very capable and strong willed individuals who have the nations interest at heart | |
| 08:16 | magnuse | sounds awesome! |
| 08:17 | let me check where i read it... | |
| 08:18 | * cait | waves |
| 08:24 | magnuse | kivilahtio: https://www.porvoo.fi/index.ph[…]Item&itemid=16952 |
| 08:24 | "För underhållet och utvecklingen av Koha ansvarar Koha-Suomi Oy som håller på att bildas." | |
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| 08:30 | magnuse | Viktor++ for the conf in Tylösand! |
| 08:30 | cait | Viktor++ |
| 08:31 | Viktor | :) |
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| 08:31 | Viktor | And magnuse++ and cait++ for great presentations |
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| 09:05 | magnuse | rangi++ for blogging from kohacon15 |
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| 09:14 | Francesca | oh is that where he went |
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| 09:44 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 10:09 | Joubu | rangi: nice beard :) |
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| 12:27 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:28 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 12:30 | tcohen | magnuse: God kveld (?) |
| 12:31 | hi Joubu | |
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| 12:33 | Joubu | hi tcohen |
| 12:34 | tcohen | Joubu: I haven't managed to get a counter patch working for 15005 |
| 12:35 | Joubu | khall: Hi! Have you seen my comment 40 on bug 7560? |
| 12:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7560 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , SIP Self Checkout Ignoring Fines Thresholds for Not Being able to Check Out Books |
| 12:36 | Joubu | hi tcohen |
| 12:36 | khall | Joubu: I only saw comment 39, I'll have to address comment 40 |
| 12:36 | Joubu | tcohen: it's not so important, so workaround I have suggested should work |
| 12:50 | magnuse | tcohen: nah not "kveld" yet, more like "ettermiddag" ;-) |
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| 13:12 | drojf | i feel like kveld |
| 13:13 | magnuse | drojf: "god natt" then :-) |
| 13:14 | drojf | heh. i wish :) |
| 13:15 | later #koha | |
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| 13:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14990: Format the date template-side for moremember <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6a956495c06d628ce> / Bug 14617: Add fields to ISBN and ISSN indexes: 020$z, 022$y, 022$z <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4dd9e20aebdbc7eb> / Bug 14926: Format the date according to the dateformat syspref <http://git.koha-commu |
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| 13:38 | Joubu | ping tcohen! |
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| 13:45 | tcohen | Joubu: hi |
| 13:46 | Joubu | tcohen: bug 15028 will fix jenkins failures related to Letters.t |
| 13:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15028 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Jenkins is unhappy |
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| 13:57 | Joubu | khall: the original status of bug 13409 was "in discussion", not NSO |
| 13:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13409 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to purge old special holidays using cleanup_database.pl |
| 13:57 | Joubu | see comment 3 |
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| 13:59 | khall | ah, I see! |
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| 14:27 | Joubu | @later tell rangi don't forget 14884 for the next 3.20 release please ;) |
| 14:27 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:53 | Joubu | 200 $date_due_in_time = $today->clone->set(hour => $today->hour + 1); |
| 14:53 | well... does not work if launched at > 23:00 :) | |
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| 15:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14861: Accession date comparison does not work in advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]348038fbb290e722b> / Bug 15028: Make t/db_dependent/Letters.t set the numbering pattern it needs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b4ed652a3c7ad0ba> / Bug 11298: Don't force the renew time to 23:59 <http://git.koha |
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| 15:47 | Joubu | bye #koha |
| 15:53 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13636: DBRev 3.21.00.036 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1816b3c4e34f7a3fe> / Bug 10363: (follow-up) DB update - change in kohastructure.sql <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]755a9df3f4f683e40> / Bug 13636: Change wording added vs inserted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=8d4f39fb |
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| 16:28 | nitz0 | hi |
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| 16:49 | * cait1 | waves |
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| 17:01 | cait1 | internet here is terrible |
| 17:01 | i have problems uploading patches to 14100 - will finish that later | |
| 17:02 | tcohen | hey cait1 |
| 17:02 | * tcohen | saw several uploaded |
| 17:02 | cait1 | hey |
| 17:02 | already leaving again - dinner | |
| 17:03 | yeah 2 still missing | |
| 17:03 | but git bz keeps dying | |
| 17:03 | * tcohen | thinks cait just keeps hiding from us |
| 17:04 | cait1 | i will try when back - just leave it like that for now |
| 17:04 | hm actually one missing | |
| 17:04 | anyway - will finish later :) | |
| 17:04 | nah | |
| 17:04 | not true, i miss you all :) | |
| 17:04 | bbl | |
| 17:05 | ashimema | was there a reason behind not using a cdn for jquery and bootstrap? |
| 17:06 | tcohen | ashimema: I guess because we couldn't be sure of its availability, plus we use a baked bootstrap (i.e. it is not full bootstrap but something that can be generated, with less features) |
| 17:08 | ashimema: does that make sense to you? | |
| 17:09 | pianohacker | ashimema: also, we offered the option to either do local or hosted yui back in the day, but I don't think anyone ever made use of it |
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| 17:34 | ashimema | i suppose that makes sense.. |
| 17:35 | though as we still don't add cache headers it's a terrible waste of server resource | |
| 17:42 | tcohen | @later tell cait need your opinion on 14244 |
| 17:42 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:01 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8417: Make the order receive date editable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]030700b38641d4b9a> / Bug 8236: DBRev 3.21.00.037 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]87b88c3a00fd9fd60> / Bug 8236: (QA followup) Tweak language, fix whitespace error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=3aef0257 | |
| 18:17 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu fun! the plack test server randomly sends you to the installer :-D |
| 18:17 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:36 | jcamins | ashimema: maybe High Security mode in IE? |
| 18:36 | Okay, not the real reason, but that's why I don't in my current projects. | |
| 18:40 | magnuse | tcohen: i have a public library in sweden testing koha in production, and they have also been sent to the webinstaller every now and then |
| 18:43 | tcohen | magnuse: this is the reason http://snag.gy/VDSUK.jpg |
| 18:48 | magnuse | ah, that was what my gut feeling suspected |
| 18:48 | will it be fixed by the patches that fix things in that area? | |
| 18:48 | i seem to remember one or more bugs about loosing connection to the db | |
| 18:48 | tcohen | magnuse: hopefully |
| 18:49 | magnuse | fingers crossed, then |
| 18:49 | tcohen | no one has dared to look at Jonathan's patches, though |
| 18:49 | we now have at least a positive reproducible environment to test it... | |
| 18:50 | magnuse | yay |
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| 21:01 | wizzyrea | does someone have access to the plack test server who can reindex it |
| 21:01 | so people will stop thinking it's broken because it's got out of date indexes | |
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| 21:19 | IceCube | Hello, I'm having some trouble with my koha installation and I was wondering if anyone is in this chatroom who can help - I'm a noob, though, be warned. Lots of experience in Windows but not much in linux or koha. Just got put on this task by the company and need some guidance. |
| 21:21 | anyone online? | |
| 21:21 | can someone PM me maybe? | |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | IceCube: what kind of problem are you having? |
| 21:28 | (it might pay to say my name if/when you answer - I'm not always looking at this window) | |
| 21:29 | IceCube | ahh hello wizzy |
| 21:29 | thanks for your reply | |
| 21:30 | Well I [thought I] followed the instructions on upgrading from 3.08.03 to 3.08.24 but when I did now I'm getting an error when I open the site | |
| 21:30 | Software error: Couldn't open /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml: Permission denied at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX/Expat.pm line 75. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 28. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. | |
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| 21:31 | wizzyrea | hm, 3.8 is quite old |
| 21:31 | IceCube | I had successfully upgraded to 3.03.03 a few days earlier and it worked fine |
| 21:31 | yeah well the company where I am working hadn't touched the server in a long time | |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | fair enough :) |
| 21:32 | IceCube | The physical box is having problems so we moved it to a VM and then they said they wanted the features of the newer releases so I got put on this task :) |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | so probably, you have a permission problem, Apache can't read the koha-conf file |
| 21:32 | IceCube | Ok |
| 21:32 | And that would have happened during the upgrade? | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | shouldn't have, but moving things around might have done it |
| 21:33 | IceCube | alright |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | 3.8, it's probably not a package install right? |
| 21:34 | i.e. you did it with a tarball? | |
| 21:34 | IceCube | yep |
| 21:34 | unpacked the tarball | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | right |
| 21:34 | IceCube | I had to install a bunch of dependencies |
| 21:34 | with cpan | |
| 21:34 | and then make install | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | yep, that's a blast from the past :) |
| 21:34 | IceCube | the make went fine |
| 21:34 | haha | |
| 21:34 | :) | |
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| 21:35 | wizzyrea | is this server itself modern? IE Debian Wheezy or greater, or ubuntu 14? |
| 21:36 | but yeah, anyway your issue there is that we can't read the config file | |
| 21:37 | IceCube | Debian 6.0 |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | so, Koha 3.20 won't run on debian 6 |
| 21:37 | IceCube | well that's good to know |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | 3.18 will |
| 21:37 | (you'll want to bring that up to modern debian anyway) | |
| 21:37 | IceCube | The idea here was to upgrade it and then migrate the databases to a new server running a modern version of Deb and the latest koha |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | hm, well |
| 21:38 | do that in the opposite order | |
| 21:38 | IceCube | the curent server is acting weird lol - it has problems with routing tables |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | I would |
| 21:38 | IceCube | Ok I can do that |
| 21:38 | in the meantime what permissions do the apache files need | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | i.e. bring up the new server using packages |
| 21:38 | dump the db from the old server, import it on the new | |
| 21:39 | run the updater | |
| 21:39 | IceCube | Do you suggest bringing up a new server with the version of koha I'm curently using, then updating to newer ones? Or can I migrate the databse into a new version? |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | you can migrate the database into a new version |
| 21:39 | IceCube | Oh so I don't have to do each incremental upgrade? |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | shouldn't have to, no. The database updater handles that for you |
| 21:39 | IceCube | There aren't going to be database structure changes that need to be made? |
| 21:39 | oh ok | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | there's one canonical file that has all of the schema updates in it |
| 21:40 | it runs whenever it detects that the db doesn't match the code | |
| 21:40 | cdickinson | that file must be fun to maintain... |
| 21:40 | IceCube | Is there generally a prefernece of Debian or ubuntu or mint deb? |
| 21:40 | haha yeah I am sure it is, cdickinson! | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | cdickinson: you should look at installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase |
| 21:41 | debian-alikes are all pretty much ok. Ubuntu 14 has a problem with the task scheduler but it has something to do with the kernel/apache version combination | |
| 21:41 | IceCube | ok good to know |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | koha on debian? |
| 21:41 | wahanui | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 21:41 | IceCube | Well any idea about this permission problem? What permissions does it need? |
| 21:42 | wahanui thanks I'll check that out | |
| 21:42 | wahanui | bitte IceCube |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | I'm not sure it's been ages since I've run a tarball |
| 21:42 | * IceCube | slaps clrh around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 21:42 | IceCube | haha wow I haven't seen that in ages |
| 21:43 | ok ... I guess I'll have to keep digging. I've searched google and got frustrated so I came here. | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | yeah, sec I'm looking :) |
| 21:44 | IceCube | ok thanks wizzy |
| 21:44 | I should send you a beer | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:44 | that's alright | |
| 21:46 | IceCube: does your config file actually live there? | |
| 21:46 | in /etc/koha/sites/koha | |
| 21:47 | IceCube | yes there is a koha-conf.xml file there |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | what are the current permissions |
| 21:48 | IceCube | There's also one in /etc/koha |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | on each of those |
| 21:48 | (Owner and r/w perms) | |
| 21:49 | (it's been soooooo long since I"ve set up a tarball.) | |
| 21:50 | IceCube | looks like I have -rw-r---- 1 koha koha ..... koha-conf.xml |
| 21:53 | eythian | hi |
| 21:53 | IceCube | hello |
| 21:53 | wahanui | what's up, IceCube |
| 21:57 | IceCube | wizzy? |
| 21:57 | wahanui | hmmm... wizzy is not hiding jcamins. |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | ^.^ I'm doing work work too :) |
| 21:58 | IceCube | Sorry! I figured you were just checking |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | hehe sok |
| 22:02 | the only other time I see this particular problem, it's for koha 3.4, and the solution was chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha - I'm not sure that will fix it, but if your permissions on /etc/koha are not that, it might be worth trying | |
| 22:02 | you do have a koha user on this system, right? | |
| 22:03 | obviously you do, because koha-conf is owned by it. | |
| 22:03 | dcook | Don't we cheat with this on Debian systems |
| 22:03 | Wouldn't the Koha files need to be owned by the Apache user | |
| 22:03 | Something like wwwrun or www? | |
| 22:03 | cdickinson | www-data I think it is |
| 22:03 | wait | |
| 22:03 | dcook | wwwrun on opensuse. Not sure about Debian. |
| 22:04 | * wizzyrea | goes away and leaves this to smarter people |
| 22:04 | dcook | Noooo |
| 22:04 | Not smarter | |
| 22:04 | cdickinson | everything in my Apache config on my Koha instances is owned by root |
| 22:04 | IceCube | yes there is a koha user |
| 22:04 | hmm I don't know how that works with apache | |
| 22:05 | this is really pushing past the limits of my knowledge | |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | this isn't packages though |
| 22:05 | it's a tarball. | |
| 22:05 | dcook | ^ |
| 22:05 | IceCube | ok I'll just make it all owned by root? |
| 22:05 | dcook | I don't think that would work either |
| 22:06 | We don't use packages. We build from source and do "single" layout installs that we make Apache own. | |
| 22:06 | jcamins | I cannot help you with this, but for the love of whatever you hold dear, do not change the owner to root. |
| 22:06 | IceCube | ok I won't :) |
| 22:06 | cdickinson | /etc/koha/sites/koha should be owned by koha:koha |
| 22:06 | /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml should be owned by root:koha | |
| 22:06 | IceCube | yeah it is |
| 22:06 | dcook | IceCube, you have the layout /etc/koha/sites/koha? |
| 22:06 | IceCube | yes |
| 22:07 | * dcook | thinks this sounds like a package install, no? |
| 22:07 | IceCube | I untar'd the file fromthe archives on the koha community site. |
| 22:07 | dcook | When building from source, I've never used the "standard" layout, but I don't know if that would use that structure.. |
| 22:07 | IceCube | I was told by someone who works with this stuff that it needs to be incrementally upgraded |
| 22:07 | so that is what I was doing | |
| 22:08 | I unpacked it and added dependencies and make install'd it | |
| 22:08 | cdickinson | oh |
| 22:08 | IceCube | This is the third increment I've done and each of the prev 2 went fine, until this one. |
| 22:08 | If you need the error message again I can post it | |
| 22:08 | dcook | O_oo |
| 22:08 | IceCube | wizzy told me that I don't need to do this incremental upgrade afterall o.O |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | it's my opinion that you don't, past 3.8 |
| 22:09 | cdickinson | well, if you are using a brand new database, yeah, you don't |
| 22:09 | dcook | IceCube: Can you run the command: dpkg -l | grep "koha-common" |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | or apt-cache policy koha-common |
| 22:09 | * cdickinson | is confused |
| 22:09 | IceCube | sure gimme a sec |
| 22:09 | jcamins | IceCube: I have upgraded from 3.6 directly to 3.12 FWIW, and I am sure I could've upgraded to 3.20 if it existed at the time. |
| 22:09 | And I've upgraded from 3.12 to 3.18. | |
| 22:09 | IceCube | ok this is good to know |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | the longest one I did was 3.8 -> 3.20 |
| 22:09 | (just a couple of weeks ago) | |
| 22:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that makes me sad. There were so many awesome features in 3.12 that they could've had for years. |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 22:10 | eythian | In theory the entire 3.x series should be fairly seamless, with a bump at 3.4 |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 22:10 | jcamins | eythian: 3.0->3.2 was a nightmare. |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | (but I've never done anything below 3.8, so I don't recommend it.) |
| 22:10 | (personally) | |
| 22:10 | * jcamins | did 3.0->3.2 once. |
| 22:10 | IceCube | ii koha-common 3.5-1~git20110727142215.68f99cdf integrated (physical) library system |
| 22:10 | * jcamins | shudders. |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | that, I bet was terrible. |
| 22:11 | dcook | jcamins: 3.0->3.8 |
| 22:11 | eythian | how did you get 3.5 there? |
| 22:11 | jcamins | dcook: ow? |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | O.o you have a special package? |
| 22:11 | eythian | that is so not right |
| 22:11 | IceCube | hahaha you guys have much more experience than I do with this but I've done similar things on other systems - I know the feeling anyways |
| 22:11 | welll..... that's what it saith. | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | yeah, fair enough. |
| 22:11 | eythian | commit 68f99cdf980222dcb557667925bd6024640cda2a |
| 22:11 | Date: Tue Jul 26 14:22:53 2011 -0400 | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | ouch. |
| 22:11 | IceCube | No idea |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | so it looks like someone installed an unstable package sometime around 3.6 |
| 22:12 | IceCube | apt-cache gave me same result |
| 22:12 | sigh | |
| 22:12 | of course | |
| 22:12 | eythian | so at some point someone added the unstable sources |
| 22:13 | which doesn't seem to be the wisest idea, but that was over 4 years ago... | |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | (also, he's debian 6, fyi) |
| 22:13 | IceCube | yep deb 6 |
| 22:15 | eythian | oh yeah |
| 22:16 | were you saying you're going to build a new server for it? | |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | my feeling was "abandon ship and move the database" |
| 22:16 | eythian | if so, I'd ignore your current one and at the last moment drop the database in |
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| 22:17 | IceCube | I can do that if that's the best option |
| 22:17 | I'll just make a new VM | |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | worst case, it doesn't work and you try again, just make backups of backups of your data |
| 22:17 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:17 | it's the best option | |
| 22:17 | IceCube | yeah I have a backup at least |
| 22:17 | just in case | |
| 22:17 | I've learned | |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | but yeah, I think you definitely don't need to do incrementals |
| 22:18 | koha on debian | |
| 22:18 | wahanui | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | use that guide |
| 22:18 | (and no other, it is the canonical one) | |
| 22:18 | IceCube | ok so given what I have now should I just go ahead and install the latest version of koha on the new machine? |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | yep, using the above link |
| 22:18 | IceCube | ok I'll follow the guide |
| 22:18 | and then the guide tells how to move the database over and upgrade it? | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | and then, pop back if you need help importing the database, it's pretty straight forward |
| 22:19 | eythian | well, you set up a clean instance |
| 22:19 | and then drop your database backup into the new database | |
| 22:19 | and when you log in, it'll do the schema upgrade for you. | |
| 22:19 | IceCube | ahh ok |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | basically cat koha-backup.sql | sudo koha-mysql instancename |
| 22:19 | eythian | yeah, that's how I do it |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | then log in |
| 22:19 | IceCube | Ok |
| 22:19 | this has been educational and helpful | |
| 22:20 | thank you guys | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | (with the database user, the credentials for which will be in koha-conf.xml towards teh bottom) |
| 22:20 | IceCube | ok |
| 22:20 | dl'ing new debian now | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | good luck :) |
| 22:20 | IceCube | thanks all for the input |
| 22:21 | thanks wizzy | |
| 22:21 | Hopefully it will go smoothly but ... you might see me back here in a bit! | |
| 22:21 | dcook | We'll be here all day |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | my feeling is that you'll be fine because packages do not suck. |
| 22:21 | dcook | ^ |
| 22:21 | IceCube | hahahahaha |
| 22:21 | wahanui | i think hahahahaha is there someone else we should ask? |
| 22:22 | IceCube | We like non sucking things |
| 22:22 | dcook | I'm familiar enough with the Koha source where I can install from a tarball or git with ease, but it's certainly not the easiest thing for a newbie... |
| 22:22 | * dcook | would never recommend it for someone starting out |
| 22:22 | IceCube | yeah I'm new at this but not at tech support in general |
| 22:22 | so at least I have some advantage | |
| 22:23 | Plus it's usually when stuff goes wrong that I learn the most so. | |
| 22:24 | dcook | Truuue that |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | it's been ages since I've done a tarball install. |
| 22:24 | aaaaages. | |
| 22:24 | dcook | If you run into indexing problems, this link will be your friend: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bleshooting_Zebra |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | lol shh you'll frighten him. |
| 22:25 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:25 | IceCube | lol nooooo :) |
| 22:25 | dcook | Everything I wrote on there I learned from stuff going wrong I think |
| 22:25 | Hopefully so that others don't have to learn it in the fashion I did | |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | https://38.media.tumblr.com/3a[…]1sgopr4o1_500.gif |
| 22:25 | dcook | Although then you have to wonder... if they don't learn it through experience, do they understand it to the same degree... |
| 22:26 | lol | |
| 22:26 | Yes, that. | |
| 22:26 | It'll be fine! | |
| 22:26 | What Zebra? | |
| 22:26 | wahanui | i think Zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | wahanui will never let you forget, dcook. |
| 22:26 | wahanui | wizzyrea: i'm not following you... |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | wahanui: <3 |
| 22:26 | wahanui | wizzyrea: huh? |
| 22:26 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:26 | eythian | dcook: also, if you go back in time and give Beethoven a copy of his symphonies, who really wrote them? |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | eythian: ^.^ |
| 22:27 | dcook | eythian: Exactly |
| 22:28 | I wonder if we're damaging our credibility now... | |
| 22:28 | Trust us, IceCube. We totally know what we're talking about ;). | |
| 22:28 | Actually, since eythian is the package manager for Koha, you can especially trust him. | |
| 22:28 | IceCube | LOL it's all good. I'm enjoying it |
| 22:28 | are you, eythian? | |
| 22:28 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:28 | IceCube | wow it's great you can be on here to help |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | also he's very clever and knows heaps of stuff. |
| 22:29 | eythian | IceCube: it's my work day, what else is there to do but be on IRC? ;) |
| 22:29 | cdickinson | beer |
| 22:29 | eythian | well, it's after noon somewhere... |
| 22:29 | IceCube | it is here |
| 22:29 | cdickinson | it is still but morning here for us NZers |
| 22:30 | dcook | wizzyrea: https://youtu.be/inzkJ34VMfk?t=25 |
| 22:30 | Not that I'm implying that eythian would break | |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | beer is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/5e3K3bC.jpg |
| 22:30 | dcook | Maybe if you tapped him against a counter... |
| 22:31 | * dcook | peaces out for his forced Windows updates... |
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| 22:32 | dcook | One more thing... |
| 22:32 | I think Debian Apache stuff works the way it works because of the AssignUserID directive in the package's Apache files... | |
| 22:32 | Sorry, that was incoherent | |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | but the packages deal with it so DON"T WORRY |
| 22:32 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:32 | True | |
| 22:32 | Just for everyone else's sake :p | |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | (yes, that is how it works.) |
| 22:33 | * dcook | actually peaces out now |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | but thinking about it, I think IceCube's problem is probably that he is looking at a 3.6 master package config file with a 3.8 codebase. |
| 22:34 | from a tarball. | |
| 22:35 | IceCube | What do you mean |
| 22:35 | wizzyrea | it means go ahead with your new VM plan :) |
| 22:36 | IceCube | setting it up now |
| 22:43 | * eythian | uploads new master packages |
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| 23:16 | * Francesca | looks up, spots doctor who reference, dies |
| 23:17 | Francesca | @wunder wlg |
| 23:17 | huginn | Francesca: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on October 20, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 23:46 | IceCube | ok I'm back... |
| 23:46 | I was following the guide and I got to apt-get install koha-common | |
| 23:47 | I have this error: "Depends: (and then a whole list of dependencies) and then Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | |
| 23:48 | oh I might have figured that out | |
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