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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | mtompset | Ah, thanks, rangi. |
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| 00:41 | mtj | hey #koha |
| 00:43 | ping rangi, how would someone send a patch to the release-tools repo ? | |
| 00:43 | that one -> http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ols.git;a=summary | |
| 00:44 | ..i was thinking of adding a README file to the repo, with that info in it :) | |
| 00:44 | wizzyrea | he's afk atm |
| 00:45 | mtj | ..i also spotted some a few typos in the various 'release team' templates |
| 00:46 | hey liz :0) | |
| 00:46 | mtompset | Greetings, mtj, wizzyrea. :) |
| 00:47 | mtj | ..so, i could send up those corrections too ^ |
| 00:48 | wizzyrea | no idea, probably something like clone the repo, make a bug, do the changes, then add the patch to a bug, like normal? |
| 00:48 | mtj | hiya mtompset |
| 00:48 | wizzyrea | you could get rangi to make a component for that |
| 00:49 | or use the Developer Documentation component | |
| 00:49 | mtj | i checked on bugzilla, but could not find any history of release-tool bugs/patches |
| 00:50 | wizzyrea | I wouldn't let that stop you from doing it |
| 00:50 | it just means no one has. | |
| 00:50 | better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. | |
| 00:51 | mtompset | who is MJR? |
| 00:51 | wizzyrea | what's the context |
| 00:51 | mtompset | I was reading code, and saw a comment. |
| 00:51 | mtj | mjray |
| 00:51 | * wizzyrea | knows more than one with those initials, so thought better to check before asserting that |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | but mtj is probably right |
| 00:52 | mtompset | In fact, I saw it on a location, which I accidentally triggered by testing incorrectly. |
| 00:52 | And I was like: we should make it die meaningfully. | |
| 00:53 | And lo and behold... there's a comment in the location by MJR. :) | |
| 00:53 | mtj | wizzyrea: thanks, ill wait for rangi's advice 1st |
| 00:54 | mtompset | @seen mjray |
| 00:54 | huginn | mtompset: I have not seen mjray. |
| 00:54 | mtompset | @seen mjr |
| 00:54 | huginn | mtompset: I have not seen mjr. |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | his nick will be slef |
| 00:54 | mtompset | AH! slef! |
| 00:54 | @seen slef | |
| 00:54 | huginn | mtompset: slef was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <slef> Joubu: thanks. I'll try. |
| 00:59 | mtj | hey mtompset, great work on your tidyup patches too :) |
| 00:59 | ive seen loads of them recently | |
| 00:59 | mtompset | Thank you. There are still a couple more needing testing/sign off. |
| 00:59 | I haven't gotten further yet. | |
| 01:00 | mtj | it can be quite satisfitying to fix those annoying little warns! :) |
| 01:00 | mtompset | Firefox update... let's see if this breaks... |
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| 01:01 | mtompset | Not so bad... just a blip. :) |
| 01:01 | mtj | ive recently switchd to the dev-edition of firefox, its waay better |
| 01:02 | ive managed to give up firebug, the built-in dev tools seems to be good enuff | |
| 01:02 | a bit faster than firebug too, i think? | |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea | they are quirky sometimes |
| 01:02 | follow the old adage | |
| 01:03 | try turning it off and on again | |
| 01:03 | < has some experience with that | |
| 01:03 | talljoy | evening/morning koha |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | afternoon really, but hi |
| 01:03 | :) | |
| 01:04 | talljoy | well it's a well established fact i struggle with the time |
| 01:04 | so good afternoon. | |
| 01:04 | :-D | |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | most clever people do |
| 01:04 | :) | |
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| 01:05 | talljoy | i should just try this from now on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWcZKrP2sDU |
| 01:09 | rangi | mtj: you could send a patch to me, tcohen, jcamins, gmcharlt or paulp im happy to apply a patch and push it |
| 01:09 | hey talljoy | |
| 01:10 | talljoy | hi rangi |
| 01:10 | i haven't talked to you all in NZ in quite a while. | |
| 01:10 | rangi | true |
| 01:10 | mtj | hiya talljoy |
| 01:11 | talljoy | hi mtj |
| 01:12 | mtj | can we use an issue tracker? |
| 01:12 | oops, rangi ^ :) | |
| 01:12 | ..for the release-tools repo | |
| 01:13 | rangi | i could add a new product to bugzilla, but i fear it would confuse people and we would get bugs lodged in the wrong place |
| 01:13 | wizzyrea | I wondered if maybe using the developer documentation component would do |
| 01:13 | or a new component for release tools | |
| 01:13 | (like I have for the website) | |
| 01:14 | mtj | rangi: i would add a new component |
| 01:14 | rangi | pretty much whoever is the release manager is the only one updating it, id probably just send a patch to tcohen, its changed 6 times this year .. its not a high change thing and i think we would be just making unnessecary overhead for ourselves |
| 01:15 | mtj | ..just add a big sexxy description, about what it is.. and is not |
| 01:15 | rangi | yeah nah im not convinced adding stuff to the koha bug tracker that is only tangentially related to koha is actually helpful |
| 01:16 | mtj | rangi: its commit activity is chicken/egg problem |
| 01:16 | rangi | not really |
| 01:16 | its not somethign that should be changing much, it should be super stable | |
| 01:16 | i dont want it broken when i have to do a release | |
| 01:16 | eythian | put it on gitlab and allow pull requests from there? |
| 01:16 | mtj | ..no-one is sending patches, coz no-one knows where to send them |
| 01:16 | mtompset | The chicken/egg problem was solved. I believe they said it was chicken, because of a protein that wouldn't otherwise exist in the process. ;) |
| 01:16 | rangi | gitlab might work |
| 01:17 | * mtj | speaks from personal experience here ^ |
| 01:17 | mtj | gitlab sounds great... problem solved? |
| 01:18 | rangi | should put it on the agenda for a meeting |
| 01:18 | personally i dont want lots of people touching the release tools | |
| 01:18 | just the release manager and maintainers, and there is most 4 of them | |
| 01:20 | mtj | yep, i agree |
| 01:53 | * talljoy | walks over to the release tools and holds finger one cm away. "I'm not touching them" |
| 01:53 | talljoy | can you tell i raised two boys? |
| 01:53 | rangi do your boys do that kind of silly stuff? | |
| 01:54 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:54 | the worst is "get that off the couch" so they walk over and push it onto the floor | |
| 01:54 | talljoy | HA |
| 01:54 | sometimes it is so annoying. and sometimes i applaud their creativity | |
| 01:54 | rangi | hehe yep |
| 01:55 | talljoy | like when i said "keep your hands to yourself" and the one thought about it and then ran up to the other and hit him with his stomach |
| 01:55 | knocked him flat on his back. | |
| 01:55 | i applaud you sir! | |
| 01:55 | rangi | heh |
| 01:56 | talljoy | signing off. later koha |
| 01:56 | rangi | cya later |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | hehe later |
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| 02:19 | mtj | lol, thats classic |
| 02:27 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha rangi wizzyrea mtj |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | later |
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| 02:48 | eythian | @seen cnighswonger |
| 02:48 | huginn | eythian: I have not seen cnighswonger. |
| 02:48 | eythian | @seen chris_n |
| 02:48 | huginn | eythian: chris_n was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, and 21 seconds ago: <chris_n> @later tell khall I'll have to hold off on testing 14167 due to a stubborn zebra instance |
| 02:49 | eythian | @later tell chris_n Not sure if any of these affect us, but it'd be worth keeping in mind. I'll see about updating it when a new release is made. |
| 02:49 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:49 | eythian | @later tell chris_n https://github.com/cnighswonger/PDF-Reuse/pull/6 |
| 02:49 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 04:06 | eythian | wahanui: danger danger is <reply>High voltage! |
| 04:06 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | I went to see electric six once |
| 04:20 | eythian | was there a nuclear war? |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | there were glowing breasts :P |
| 04:21 | eythian | heh |
| 04:21 | hrm, faceting of itype is awkward when we have both 952$y and 942$c | |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | yeah it is |
| 04:22 | * eythian | creates a note to think about it another time. |
| 04:23 | wizzyrea | I suppose it would depend on whether you have item or biblio level itemtypes enabled |
| 04:23 | which you facet on | |
| 04:24 | eythian | yeah. But it's very hard to abstract that out so you're not hardcoding things. |
| 04:25 | I kinda wonder if I should have a little predicate column in the database that lets you compare system preferences. | |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | * to think about |
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| 05:57 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:04 | * cait | waves |
| 06:05 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 06:05 | * magnuse | hopes this switch to dom works |
| 06:08 | magnuse | woohoo http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]2/jessew-welcome/ |
| 06:14 | gah, file permissions issue, one more try at reindexing | |
| 06:15 | dcook | I think I finally understand UTF-8, Unicode, Latin1... |
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| 06:16 | dcook | Or at least I do for a few minutes today |
| 06:16 | magnuse | no error messages after exporting - looks promising |
| 06:16 | dcook: then you are a very lucky man :-) | |
| 06:16 | dcook | I know, right? I'm sure I'm missing something |
| 06:17 | magnuse | hehe, yeah that is the feeling i always have when it comes to that stuff :-) |
| 06:17 | dcook | At the moment, I'm looking at the byte Oxff. |
| 06:17 | Technically illegal in UTF-8 | |
| 06:17 | But U+00FF is a Unicode code point for the character ÿ | |
| 06:18 | Which is character 255 in latin1 | |
| 06:18 | Or byte 0xFF | |
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| 06:19 | dcook | But to get ÿ in UTF-8, it needs to be encoded as c3 bf |
| 06:19 | So you might see "ÿ" in your terminal or your log and think that's OK because it's a Unicode/UTF-8 character... | |
| 06:19 | But your terminal is probably encoding the data at Latin1 | |
| 06:19 | And your PostgreSQL which is using UTF-8 encoding is going to explode | |
| 06:20 | magnuse | lulz |
| 06:20 | dcook | Because 0xff doesn't mean "ÿ" in UTF-8. It's something else... relating to BOMs I think. |
| 06:20 | It's even more special in Perl, as I think there's some sort of internal magic for handling characters lower than 256 in a sort of automagical way | |
| 06:21 | Mmm and Perl outputs latin1 by default | |
| 06:21 | So there's so many layers O_O | |
| 06:21 | Perl encoding the bytes in the original output, your terminal trying to make sense of that output, other programs trying to make sense of that output | |
| 06:22 | * dcook | wishes that everything was just in UTF-8 so no one had to worry |
| 06:32 | * magnuse | too |
| 06:33 | magnuse | eythian++ for "koha-stop-zebra, pkill zebra, koha-start-zebra" |
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| 06:34 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:39 | dcook | Hmm, thought I had it but I lost it again |
| 06:39 | Well, I mean... I had that part | |
| 06:39 | reiveune | salut dcook magnuse |
| 06:40 | dcook | hey reiveune |
| 06:40 | wahanui | reiveune is working for biblibre |
| 06:41 | cait | bbiab |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:57 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 07:05 | drojf | morning #koha |
| 07:08 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 07:08 | drojf | hei magnuse |
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| 07:21 | fridolin | hie there |
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| 07:28 | Joubu | Good morning #koha |
| 07:36 | magnuse | bonjour fridolin Joubu |
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| 07:37 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:37 | fridolin | bonjour magnuse |
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| 07:49 | indradg | hi magnuse, fridolin, Joubu, gaetan_B |
| 07:51 | magnuse | namoshkaar indradg |
| 08:15 | nlegrand | hey #koha o/ |
| 08:20 | rangi | evening all |
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| 08:24 | rangi | how to understand nzers, in 2 images http://imgur.com/gallery/w1kQhf2 and http://imgur.com/gallery/UfkzKry |
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| 08:25 | drojf | later #koha |
| 08:26 | indradg | rangi++ for pushes into 3.20.1 :) |
| 08:34 | magnuse | rangi: nice |
| 08:35 | Joubu | He clearly deserved a couple of beers :) |
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| 09:08 | Joubu | cait: around? |
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| 09:23 | cait | only for a quick moment |
| 09:24 | last day before vacation today | |
| 09:24 | but i will be around tomorrow and friday - with more koha time then i hope | |
| 09:31 | ashimema | @later tell khall any chance you could re-QA 13644 now he's made the fixes pretty please :) |
| 09:31 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:32 | magnuse | bug 13644 |
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| 09:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13644 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Paging Javascript breaks links with anchor |
| 09:32 | ashimema | pants.. |
| 09:32 | 13664 | |
| 09:32 | but 13664 | |
| 09:32 | bug 13664 | |
| 09:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13664 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, david.roberts, Signed Off , Add password strength plugin |
| 09:32 | ashimema | wrong number.. silly me |
| 09:33 | magnuse | ah |
| 09:33 | ashimema | @later tell khall woops, thats 13664 not 13644 |
| 09:33 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:34 | ashimema | David is one of our support guys who I bullied into taking on that peice of dev work to take it off my pile.. he's a tad scared aobut having to rebase again.. not the best at git.. though e's getting there.. don't want to put him off too soon though ;) |
| 09:34 | Joubu | ashimema: it's on my list |
| 09:34 | ashimema | awesome.. thanks joubu |
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| 09:35 | ashimema | @later tell pianohacker I'm aware of the shibboleth bug.. pretty sure I've fixed it somewhere.. let me dig it out |
| 09:35 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:50 | kivilahtio | We are setting up a GitHub Oraganization to publish our KohaFinland source code, and I am not very familiar on how to best do that in GitHub. |
| 09:50 | I was planning to create a remote branch to github pointing to the koha-community's git-server | |
| 09:51 | then use that branched koha-community to act as the KohaFinland master branch | |
| 09:51 | is this even possible in github? | |
| 09:53 | I see tcohen has a mirrored and synced Git repo from koha-community master | |
| 09:53 | mtj | hiya kivilahtio |
| 09:53 | kivilahtio | mtj: hi |
| 09:53 | wahanui | hey, kivilahtio |
| 09:53 | kivilahtio | hi wahanui |
| 09:54 | mtj | kivilahtio: i think its possible ^ |
| 09:54 | kivilahtio | mtj: but should i :) |
| 09:55 | mtj | i dont think it matters where you publish your repo |
| 09:55 | kivilahtio | mtj: we chose GitHub, since it is easiest I hope |
| 09:56 | mtj | are you planning use github for developing your koha too? |
| 09:56 | kivilahtio | so far we have been just tar-gz:ing a LXC-container and making that tar available |
| 09:56 | mtj: yes | |
| 09:56 | mtj: we share all our code | |
| 09:56 | mtj: We are forming the virtual office for several municipalities in Finland to work together | |
| 09:57 | mtj | people seem to be recommending gitlab over github |
| 09:57 | kivilahtio | mtj: Just configured Redmine to server projectmanagement and issues and wiki. Set up sftp with Nginx as front end for file sharing. IRC for chat |
| 09:57 | webRTC for conferencing | |
| 09:57 | gitlab... | |
| 09:57 | wahanui | it has been said that gitlab is really interesting. |
| 09:58 | mtj | ..you can selfhost your gitlab repo on your own servers - something not possible with github |
| 09:58 | kivilahtio | mtj: I could just fork tcohens koha mirror :) |
| 09:59 | mtj | webRTC is great, hey :) |
| 09:59 | kivilahtio | mtj: I know. Farewell Spyware Skype |
| 10:01 | mtj | https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha |
| 10:01 | kivilahtio: thats another synced koha mirror too | |
| 10:01 | kivilahtio | yes, I guess i just track that |
| 10:01 | a goodread http://www.gitguys.com/topics/[…]racking-branches/ | |
| 10:02 | mtj: Thanks for the help. I think I can manage from now on. | |
| 10:02 | mtj: But I need to check gitlab out | |
| 10:03 | mtj | ^ me too, i havent used it myself... it looks very promising! |
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| 10:04 | mtj | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GitLab |
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| 11:31 | cait | holger++ |
| 11:31 | bug 14101 | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14101 major, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Needs Signoff , auto renewal is tied to 'no renewal before' |
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| 12:22 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:23 | hi Joubu | |
| 12:24 | Joubu | Hi Tomas! |
| 12:24 | kivilahtio | hi Joubu and tcohen! |
| 12:24 | tcohen | hi kivilahtio |
| 12:26 | Joubu: I made a mistake with my patch for TestBuilder, I already put ->unique_constrains_columns but i dropped it on a refactoring | |
| 12:26 | kivilahtio | ooo... what is a TestBuilder? |
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| 12:26 | tcohen | *->unique_contrains |
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| 12:27 | kivilahtio | TestBuilder sounds like it has something to do about setting up the test context |
| 12:27 | a bit like TestObjectFactories? | |
| 12:27 | cait | tcohen: i will miss the first dev meeting :( |
| 12:27 | tcohen | oh noes, who willl chair then!!! |
| 12:27 | :-P | |
| 12:27 | cait | hm you? :) |
| 12:28 | tcohen | heh |
| 12:28 | yeah, just kidding | |
| 12:28 | Joubu: i'll post a new patch in a couple minutes | |
| 12:28 | magnuse | kivilahtio: bug 12603 |
| 12:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Pushed to Master , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests |
| 12:28 | kivilahtio | magnuse: yup, reading... |
| 12:30 | Joubu | kivilahtio: you should follow the koha-devel ML |
| 12:30 | kivilahtio | Joubu: I know |
| 12:30 | Joubu: but the important thing is that this made it to master! | |
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| 12:47 | tcohen | Joubu: i think TestBuilder it cannot be fixed without a major refactoring |
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| 12:50 | chris_n | @later tell eythian it probably does; there are quite a few fixes in the queue which I plan to roll up into a new release toward the end of July |
| 12:50 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:04 | xarragon | If I want to customize the appearance of Koha I can ofc. use the custom CSS, but beyond that I can change the .less files.. But when I want to change settings inside bootstrap.css, is that generated from any other source? |
| 13:04 | * mtompset | whispers, "Greetings, #koha." |
| 13:05 | xarragon | There appears to be no less source for opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/bootstrap/ |
| 13:05 | magnuse | xarragon: bootstrap.css sounds like it is provided by bootstrap? |
| 13:05 | * nengard | heard mtompset |
| 13:05 | nengard | :) |
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| 13:05 | * mtompset | smiles at nengard. :) |
| 13:06 | magnuse | so to change things that are set there, override them with the custom css sysprefs |
| 13:09 | mtompset | Development meeting in roughly 2 hours, right? |
| 13:10 | xarragon | magnuse: I have tried changing in both, so far the CSS override works as long as i choose the correct selectors. I was just curious if there is a way to implement plugins or alternative themes? |
| 13:11 | magnuse | xarragon: sorry, dunno |
| 13:11 | @seen oleonard | |
| 13:11 | huginn | magnuse: oleonard was last seen in #koha 13 weeks, 4 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <oleonard> That's very strange squash. I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on. |
| 13:12 | mtompset | xarragon: Did you try important? I find sometimes that CSS word is... important. :) |
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| 13:14 | xarragon | mtompset: Hah, no, I saw it on the wiki page and in the source. I am just experimenting with restyling Koha to match the municipal home page and wanted to understand the output flow and the limitations of CSS overrides. I might need to move elements around etc. |
| 13:15 | Am I correct in assuming that bootstrap itself limits the layout a bit, in order to maintain the responsive design features etc? | |
| 13:15 | tcohen | Joubu: if there is a multi-column primary key we need to have this check outside _buildColumnValue |
| 13:16 | * tcohen | will leave this for another one, and focus on RM duties |
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| 13:30 | magnuse | am i the only one bothered by bug 12488? |
| 13:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12488 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bulkmarcimport.pl -d option should use DELETE instead of TRUNCATE |
| 13:36 | * magnuse | shrugs and wanders off |
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| 13:50 | mtompset | magnuse: Never noticed the bug before. |
| 13:53 | There. I commented on it. :) | |
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| 13:57 | tcohen | Joubu: do u have any idea why a default set of values is a good idea for TestBuildes? |
| 13:57 | * tcohen | has headaches |
| 14:00 | Joubu | Just to simplify :) |
| 14:00 | No need to provide something you don't care | |
| 14:01 | tcohen | but what if the DB is already populated with some data that matches the defaults? |
| 14:01 | it would give a false negative on the tests | |
| 14:01 | Joubu | yes |
| 14:01 | that's an issue | |
| 14:02 | I tried to provide a workaround with the last patch | |
| 14:02 | it's not perfect but should work in 99.99% | |
| 14:02 | tcohen | i moved my check for multi-column primary keys |
| 14:02 | and the issue was a collision with the defaults :-D | |
| 14:03 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "Joubu: like this" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/128 |
| 14:05 | tcohen | otoh, the same applies for the use case when you need (say) a branch for your tests: your tests would end-up failing if you already have one |
| 14:06 | it seems to me that generating random data and using that on the tests would be simpler and cleaner | |
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| 14:20 | Joubu | tcohen: I didn't get it |
| 14:20 | TestBuilder will generate random data to reuse them in the tests | |
| 14:20 | the only issues is when the generated data already existed | |
| 14:21 | -s | |
| 14:22 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.212 pasted "Joubu: full version" (42 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/129 |
| 14:26 | Joubu | tcohen: yep, that's make sense to me, except the unique keys should be managed too |
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| 14:29 | tcohen | Joubu: I agree, but right now I'm dealing with a weird error |
| 14:29 | if you use my _buildColumnValues | |
| 14:29 | the tests break | |
| 14:29 | i'm not sure why | |
| 14:29 | SQL syntax problem | |
| 14:36 | * mtompset | randomly says, "I blame the semicolon and spacing." |
| 14:45 | tcohen | oh boy |
| 14:46 | mtompset | oh entity of non-descript gender, sentience, race, religion, etc? |
| 14:46 | tcohen | if we use DBIx to deal with inserting data on the DB, and we get SQL syntax errors... |
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| 14:46 | mtompset | I fear to hear what is next. |
| 14:47 | tcohen | it has to be a DBIx bug |
| 14:48 | * tcohen | is not feeling guilty anymore |
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| 14:49 | Joubu | tcohen: always on the same thing? |
| 14:49 | tcohen | yes |
| 14:49 | can u try? | |
| 14:49 | Joubu | ha, ok |
| 14:49 | I fixed it | |
| 14:49 | sorry, I though you switched to something else | |
| 14:49 | tcohen | what did u fix? |
| 14:50 | Joubu | my computer is taking off |
| 14:50 | wait 30sec :) | |
| 14:50 | tcohen | you attached a drone to it? |
| 14:50 | Joubu | no, just launched TestBuilder tests |
| 14:51 | actually the problem is that you test assigned a hashref, instead of a string | |
| 14:51 | because permissions.module_bit is a fk and a pk | |
| 14:51 | tcohen | _you're talking about my _buildColumnValues ? |
| 14:52 | Joubu | so in your loop l.~179, $col_values->{$column} is a hashref |
| 14:52 | try: | |
| 14:52 | 180 next if ref($col_values->{$column}) eq 'HASH'; | |
| 14:52 | * mtompset | jokes, "Get a room!" :) |
| 14:52 | Joubu | with the last version you pasted |
| 14:53 | tcohen | i'm not sure I'm following you |
| 14:55 | pastebot | Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: like this :)" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/130 |
| 14:55 | Joubu | tcohen: the only changes with yours is next if ref($col_values->{$column}) eq 'HASH'; |
| 14:56 | is/are +s -s, blame me... | |
| 14:57 | tcohen | my computer is taking offf too |
| 14:58 | it loops forever | |
| 14:58 | Joubu | I think so yes |
| 14:58 | while 1 { foreach { foreach } } => usually it's not a good idea :) | |
| 14:59 | tcohen | the problem is that is picking the default value for 'bit' |
| 14:59 | on each run | |
| 14:59 | and it is a primary key | |
| 15:00 | * mtompset | notes that it is approaching DEV meeting time. :) |
| 15:00 | tcohen | on 'userflags' |
| 15:01 | i still think the problem is default data | |
| 15:01 | Joubu | tcohen: yes it is |
| 15:02 | tcohen | back to that later |
| 15:02 | * tcohen | will prepare some coffee and be back |
| 15:02 | tcohen | for the meeting |
| 15:05 | ashimema | hello tcohen |
| 15:06 | sounds like I should get a cuppa tea then | |
| 15:06 | fridolin | see u |
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| 15:07 | tcohen | oh noes |
| 15:07 | frido, come back! | |
| 15:07 | hi ashimema | |
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| 15:08 | AmitG | hi all |
| 15:09 | tcohen | we are waiting for ashimema's tea to be ready |
| 15:09 | it'd be 3 more minutes, right? | |
| 15:09 | :-D | |
| 15:09 | ashimema | lol |
| 15:09 | AmitG | hi tcohen |
| 15:09 | ashimema | i got weighleighed on the way to the kitchen.. no tea for me :( |
| 15:09 | but I'm here now at least | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1 |
| 15:10 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 15:10:26 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:10 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:10 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_3_june_2015___part_1' |
| 15:10 | tcohen | #topic Introductions |
| 15:10 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:10 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:10 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:10 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Córdoba |
| 15:10 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 15:11 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel |
| 15:11 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe |
| 15:11 | AmitG | #info Amit Gupta, Informatics Bangalore, India |
| 15:11 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:11 | tcohen | hurry everyone |
| 15:11 | heh | |
| 15:12 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 15:12 | tcohen | ok then |
| 15:12 | #topic RM 3.22 comments | |
| 15:12 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.22 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:13 | tcohen | I'd like to congratulate everyone for the 3.20, has been pretty solid since the beggining |
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| 15:13 | tcohen | we are upgrading soon here |
| 15:13 | ashimema | tcohen++ we're only as good as our leader ;) |
| 15:14 | andreashm | #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library |
| 15:14 | tcohen | the next release might became a major milestone for the project |
| 15:14 | if we look at the stuff we are trying to have ready soon | |
| 15:14 | * mtompset | mumbles, "4.0?" |
| 15:14 | tcohen | i'm really excited about all this, and I know most of the community shares this feeling |
| 15:15 | nengard | #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:15 | tcohen | as someone told me a while back: we need to enjoy developing Koha too, not only bugfixes |
| 15:15 | * nengard | agrees with mtompset |
| 15:15 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:15 | tcohen | we need to put our hands on cool new stuff, points of view |
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| 15:16 | tcohen | most of us have thought what all that means |
| 15:16 | some are excited to have a RESTful API | |
| 15:16 | edveal | #info Ed Veal, Bywater Solutions |
| 15:16 | tcohen | some because we might be introducing the use of a web framework for some parts of the project |
| 15:16 | and of course, ElasticSearch :-D | |
| 15:17 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, BWS, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 15:17 | tcohen | to have all those pieces put together at some point |
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| 15:17 | tcohen | we need to join efforts, and coordinate actions |
| 15:18 | AmitG | tcohen++ |
| 15:18 | misilot | #info Thomas Misilo, Florida Institute of Technology |
| 15:18 | tcohen | we all want Koha to shine more and more on each release |
| 15:18 | nengard | koha++ |
| 15:18 | dani | #info Dani BWS,Cedar Park, TX, USA |
| 15:18 | tcohen | so we need to make hard decisions too, because of course several pov are in place on each decision |
| 15:19 | so | |
| 15:19 | to the point | |
| 15:20 | i think it good be great to have a big picture of what our expectations are for the 3.22 (?) release | |
| 15:20 | i mean what will everyone be working on | |
| 15:20 | ashimema | sounds good to me. |
| 15:20 | tcohen | we have a proof of concept for a restful api on mojo |
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| 15:21 | tcohen | we have a wip branch on catalyst repo for the elasticsearcg |
| 15:21 | work | |
| 15:21 | that'd be the next topic i think | |
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| 15:21 | tcohen | so to the point |
| 15:21 | i'm happy with how promising this looks | |
| 15:22 | and am proposing a 3 week cycle for dev meetings | |
| 15:22 | it'd be awesome to have short scrum-like daily meetings | |
| 15:22 | we can do it informally | |
| 15:23 | carmen | #info Carmen Hernandez, Bywater Solutions |
| 15:23 | tcohen | #info the RM will try to keep a 3-week frecquency for dev meetings |
| 15:23 | questions? | |
| 15:23 | wahanui | questions are good :) |
| 15:24 | tcohen | wahanui: you are right |
| 15:24 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes|a strange duck|a bot.... |
| 15:24 | Joubu | I would be good to know who is working on what |
| 15:24 | tcohen | would you all agree to have a shared Trello board where we share what we are working on? |
| 15:24 | Joubu | and to have a planning |
| 15:25 | ashimema | Trello is great for this sort of thing. |
| 15:25 | Joubu | We already tried a trello board, it was not a success |
| 15:25 | nengard | tcohen would would we give our info to to be included on that? |
| 15:25 | barton | Part of our daily work-flow at BWS is to send out a "what I'm working on" email, this works fairly well in place of actual stand-up meetings. |
| 15:25 | nengard | I thought trello was a success at the hackfest |
| 15:25 | Joubu | (Maybe prefer http://libreboard.com/ ?) |
| 15:25 | tcohen | we used/use trello for several things |
| 15:26 | my trello board was a mess | |
| 15:26 | but Katrin's shined | |
| 15:26 | :-D | |
| 15:26 | i think each team/company has its own tools for this | |
| 15:26 | but we might have a general board to have the whole picture | |
| 15:27 | so on each meeting we can ask about progress, etc | |
| 15:27 | andreashm | Slack? |
| 15:27 | misilot | Possibly this: https://www.atlassian.com/solutions/agile-ready (I haven't used this product from Atlassian but I have used others) and free for open source (https://www.atlassian.com/soft[…]-license-request) |
| 15:27 | tcohen | nengard: i'll add anyone interested |
| 15:28 | Joubu | (libreboard is open source and can be hosted, that's why I suggest that, but not the point now) |
| 15:29 | andreashm | Whatever board if would be good if it was open so interested parties can see what's going on |
| 15:29 | ashimema | The real point is making sure we all use it and maintain it.. |
| 15:29 | tcohen | libreboard looks good |
| 15:29 | yeah | |
| 15:29 | ashimema | the wiki RFC's would work, if everyone actually looked at them.. for example. |
| 15:29 | nengard | "if" is the key word :( |
| 15:30 | ashimema | I like the kanban approach of trello et al personally, means you can get the 'jist' of somthings state at a glance |
| 15:30 | barton | I agree that which tool we use isn't as important as actually using the tool we choose... |
| 15:30 | andreashm | RFC's are hard to read to see what is going on. wall of text. |
| 15:30 | nengard | barton++ |
| 15:30 | ashimema++ | |
| 15:31 | Joubu | We need 1 entry point for all wip, a whatever-board is excellent for that. |
| 15:31 | tcohen | ashimema++ |
| 15:31 | Joubu | ok, same as ashimema :) |
| 15:31 | andreashm | ashimema++ |
| 15:31 | tcohen | proposal: I'll set a TRello board for what we are working on for the 3.22 release cycle |
| 15:31 | if anyone has a better idea, we just move there | |
| 15:31 | ColinC | helps sometimes to clarify what x is tracking |
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| 15:32 | ashimema | there's two things to track that state of.. Proposition -> Coding -> QA -> Push.. is one workflow.. but often things sit in the 'Coding' pile for a long time without much update.. that's where the meetings come in.. a vocal.. yup.. we are actualyl still working on it.. few weeks away.. type thing |
| 15:32 | * mtompset | agrees that no one reads RFCs. |
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| 15:32 | * khall | also confirms that |
| 15:32 | * nengard | does for documentation sake :) |
| 15:32 | barton | I also think that posting blockers is an important part of running standup meetings. Having an established time/place to get questions looked at can be very powerful. |
| 15:32 | nengard | but that's after it's in Koha |
| 15:33 | * mtompset | notes that nengard is a special exception. :) |
| 15:33 | tcohen | #info Tomas will set a provisional Trello board where people will document what are they working on at a given time |
| 15:33 | * nengard | likes being special |
| 15:33 | ashimema | the RFC's are an important step.. but they are entirely about drawing up a spec and agreeing upon it.. they shouldn't be used after that fro tracking current state.. once an RFC has been agreed we souhld think of it as effectively locked... and then we use trello or whatever to track the actual dev progress |
| 15:33 | nengard | tcohen++ |
| 15:33 | tcohen | #info this could be moved to another tool if someone volunteers to set it |
| 15:34 | ashimema | nengard++ I agree there.. |
| 15:34 | khall | ashimema++ |
| 15:34 | ashimema | blockers are important to get out in the open |
| 15:34 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, India |
| 15:34 | ashimema | barton++ even, it was you who mentioned blockers |
| 15:34 | tcohen | should we have a column for blockers? (sounds messy, though) |
| 15:35 | ashimema | thinks like the accounts re-write.. it's not yet in koha.. but is a major blocker for a whole bunch of us now saceed to go anywhere near accounts for worry of having to re-write when it goes in ;) |
| 15:36 | I would say a 'Blocked' column mre like tcohen. | |
| 15:36 | khall | indeed, there are a number of open bugs that the accounts rewrite would resolve with no other changes |
| 15:36 | tcohen | maybe we could set mondays to talk about blockers, informally |
| 15:36 | ashimema | so, things that can't move on yet sit in there |
| 15:36 | sounds good to me | |
| 15:36 | pianohacker | here but not putting my name in, have to disappear for a conference call in 20 |
| 15:36 | barton | I like that idea. |
| 15:37 | indradg | sounds good |
| 15:39 | khall | good idea |
| 15:39 | tcohen | can i say we agreed to explicitly talk about blockers on mondays? |
| 15:40 | ashimema | ++ |
| 15:40 | khall | yes, will there be a time window, or will it be all day? |
| 15:41 | pianohacker | brb coffee |
| 15:41 | barton | I think that it should be all day -- that way we don't have to worry so much about the international audience. |
| 15:42 | tcohen | #info mondays will become "blockers day", we'll raise concerns about possible blockers and try to coordinate efforts for fixing them |
| 15:42 | barton | maybe we could tag the blockers in IRC, to make them easier to filter from the logs. |
| 15:42 | khall | barton: I agreed time zone issues make it tough, but I'm afraid if we don't narrow down the times to one or two windows we won't be effective |
| 15:43 | ashimema | I'm almost tempted to say it's mroe about having a key contact than a time and place.. |
| 15:43 | hmm.. | |
| 15:43 | * ashimema | thinks loudly |
| 15:44 | tcohen | i think it is fair to assume the RM will be available during his office hours to account possible bockers and as fr help if needed |
| 15:44 | khall | if we can get a group or groups of devs to agree to some general times that would go a long way |
| 15:44 | barton | If we used something like "BLOCKER: " to as a marker, could we then filter those out to an email to koha-dev? |
| 15:44 | tcohen | khall: +1 |
| 15:44 | indradg | khall +1 |
| 15:45 | barton | khall +1 |
| 15:45 | ['course he hears that from me all day long] | |
| 15:45 | khall | : ) |
| 15:45 | tcohen | so, we could say the dev team members should send alerts on possible blockers to the dev list with a BLOCKER mark on the subject |
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| 15:46 | tcohen | as barton said |
| 15:46 | well, as ashimema said, this is a methodological problem | |
| 15:47 | mtompset | asynchronous communication does work too. Not everything needs sychronous. |
| 15:47 | khall | can't hurt, but I like the idea of the blocker trello column to quickly see all those blockers at once best. |
| 15:47 | tcohen | i'd say anyone willing to help with blockers should show up on "blocker day" to help and discuss solutions |
| 15:47 | ashimema | sounds good |
| 15:48 | tcohen | and yes, we will have that column |
| 15:48 | #info 'blocker days' are for people willing to help with blockers to show up and discuss solutions to blocker bugs | |
| 15:48 | khall | can we start an dev-list email thread for devs to list the times they can be available? That way we can come up with specific windows where a decent sized group of devs will be around |
| 15:49 | tcohen | would you send that email? |
| 15:49 | :-D | |
| 15:50 | khall | I'm writing at right now ; ) |
| 15:50 | tcohen | ok, moving on |
| 15:50 | next topic is too wide | |
| 15:50 | #topic Planning the 3.22 release | |
| 15:50 | Topic for #koha is now Planning the 3.22 release (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 15:51 | tcohen | we already talked about how will we deal with big stuff we are working on |
| 15:51 | so I think it is time to hear from people working on that stuff, how is it going, what do they think about the timeframe fr the release and their work | |
| 15:52 | we have only two things listed | |
| 15:52 | RESTful aPI and ElasticSearch integration | |
| 15:53 | we should make a methodological decision | |
| 15:53 | should we start discussing them now? | |
| 15:54 | only hear about their statuses and schedule a meeting soon (like next week) to discuss/make decisions on each one? | |
| 15:55 | khall | We could throw the accounts rewrite in there as well |
| 15:55 | barton | nod. |
| 15:55 | mtompset | where shall I ask my tiny question? :) |
| 15:56 | about where to put the function? :) | |
| 15:57 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Where should this go?" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/132 |
| 15:57 | tcohen | is anyone working on the restful api willing to talk about it now? |
| 15:58 | we need to know what are the next steps | |
| 15:58 | khall | it still needs signoff |
| 15:59 | tcohen | khall: it is not clear to me that it isn't just a POC |
| 15:59 | barton | POC? |
| 15:59 | wahanui | POC is Proof Of Concept |
| 15:59 | khall | tcohen: it started off as a POC, but it isn't any longer afaik |
| 16:00 | indradg | oh! /me was harboring it was POC and stayed away from it! mea culpa |
| 16:00 | khall | robin and co have been working on making sure it'll be package ready |
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| 16:00 | tcohen | ok, I propose we schedule a meeting for next week so jajm shows, and explains us the implementation details, and people have the chance to discuss it |
| 16:01 | anyone from biblibre can confirm he could be available for that? | |
| 16:02 | once we agree that's the way to do it, RESTful endpoints will grow like grass | |
| 16:02 | so it is important we have feedback soon | |
| 16:02 | ashimema | I'll try to show up for that.. I really need to find some time to have a play with it.. |
| 16:03 | tcohen | i'd like to have someone involved on that work here |
| 16:03 | indradg | tcohen +1 |
| 16:03 | ashimema | I think to go with it, it's important to have it and how to code on it, well documented.. |
| 16:03 | I didn't feel we'de reached that point last I looked.. | |
| 16:04 | big for instance.. the whole idea of swagger is that it's test/documentation driven development.. | |
| 16:04 | tcohen | moving into using a web framework like mojo has several implications for the project, so it is not as simple as "this patchset works" |
| 16:04 | ashimema | i.e, you write the documentation and a json schema file first.. |
| 16:04 | barton | I wonder if we could come up with a way to announce progress on large projects... |
| 16:04 | ashimema | then write code to forfil it.. i don't think that message had really been gotten accross yet. |
| 16:06 | hkh | bye |
| 16:06 | khall | ashimema: I'm sure anything you can add to the bug would be most welcome |
| 16:06 | or wherever you think is most suitable | |
| 16:06 | ashimema | I've generally been adding to the wiki page so far.. |
| 16:06 | really need to find the time to sit down a get to konw the bug ;) | |
| 16:06 | tcohen | ok |
| 16:07 | ashimema | but yes.. I'll add to it |
| 16:07 | barton | *be* the bug, ashimema :-) |
| 16:07 | ashimema | and attend a meet if we have one ;) |
| 16:07 | tcohen | #actions Tomas will ask Julian for possible dates for a meeting to discuss/explain his implementation of a RESTful API |
| 16:08 | is anyone aware of the ES implementation progress? | |
| 16:09 | i think on part 2 we'll have more feedback on this | |
| 16:10 | i need to end the meeting to attend another one with the boss | |
| 16:10 | so moving on | |
| 16:10 | #topic Specific bugs that need feedback | |
| 16:10 | Topic for #koha is now Specific bugs that need feedback (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 16:11 | tcohen | #info Bug 6874 is candidate for early inclusion in the 3.22 cycle |
| 16:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) |
| 16:11 | tcohen | i'll try to provide feedback on some shortcomings |
| 16:12 | *i think the implementation has | |
| 16:12 | mtompset | And marcel has created an umbrella bug report for following up on it. |
| 16:12 | tcohen | exactly |
| 16:12 | mtompset | Oh, and it is dependent on Bug 5010. :) |
| 16:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol |
| 16:12 | tcohen | #info Marcel has conveniently created an umbrella bug for fixing all remaining stuff |
| 16:12 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:13 | tcohen | i should have put 5010 on that list, but it will be impossible now (no time left for me) |
| 16:13 | mtompset | I have yet to actually do any coding for the QA feedback on it thus far. |
| 16:14 | tcohen | i'm not sure how it got so complicated |
| 16:14 | as far as i can see there are several use cases that need to be taken into account | |
| 16:14 | and I think we should decouple the transport protocol from the URL | |
| 16:14 | mtompset | I was thinking of a rewrite, since I don't like the UI myself, but I didn't want to slow down its inclusion. |
| 16:15 | tcohen | i promise to discuss it explicitly soon |
| 16:15 | something like | |
| 16:15 | OPACProtocolConfig = http|https|httpbehindhttpsproxy|etc | |
| 16:16 | anyway | |
| 16:16 | anyone with something else to add? | |
| 16:16 | ashimema | 5010.. I tihnk push it soonre rather than later and lets fix it during the cycle if there are any further issues.. |
| 16:16 | tcohen | ashimema: I agree |
| 16:16 | ashimema | it's well tested.. just touches lots of area we probabl won't spot otherwise. |
| 16:16 | mtompset | Actually, tcohen. I was thinking of adding a SPLIT type to system preferences. |
| 16:17 | tcohen | i think we should think explicitly on each use case |
| 16:17 | and make the sysprefs help the user figure which use case he/she's in | |
| 16:17 | but I agree with ashimema, push soon, fix soon | |
| 16:18 | mtompset | A push now, gives us 2-3 months to fix. :) |
| 16:18 | tcohen | please ping me if you feel your work is lagging too much |
| 16:18 | you are really too productive for a single person to go through all your work | |
| 16:19 | =D | |
| 16:19 | ok | |
| 16:19 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 16:19 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 1) | |
| 16:20 | tcohen | #info we agreed to keep this two-part meeting schema, and a 3-week cycle |
| 16:20 | and to end this meeting | |
| 16:20 | a message from my boss: | |
| 16:21 | mtompset | Who is too productive? |
| 16:21 | tcohen | keep the good work guys http://snag.gy/OEZ3d.jpg |
| 16:21 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:21 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 16:21 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 16:21:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:21 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-03-15.10.html | |
| 16:21 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-06-03-15.10.txt | |
| 16:21 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-15.10.log.html | |
| 16:21 | mtompset | CUTE! |
| 16:21 | tcohen | he stole he's father's uke |
| 16:22 | later! | |
| 16:22 | mtompset | Chicks dig guitar players. :) |
| 16:22 | Bye, tcohen. | |
| 16:22 | khall | ahh! |
| 16:47 | indradg | I've a question: is it acceptable to add an agenda item in a planned upcoming meeting's wiki page? |
| 16:47 | or should it be left as a comment on the talk page? | |
| 16:49 | mtompset | Adding upfront is easier, because like RFC's, no one reads the Talk page. ;) |
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| 17:05 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 17:10 | tcohen | indradg: just write me |
| 17:10 | we have a trello board which has several things pending | |
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| 17:34 | indradg | tcohen mail setnt |
| 17:35 | s/setnt/sent | |
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| 17:43 | magnuse | does this look reasonable? 130k records in marcxml = 563MB |
| 17:45 | tcohen | i have a file 1.5M -> 1GB |
| 17:45 | but it of course depends on the size of the records :-P | |
| 17:46 | Dyrcona | I find MARCXML is often close to 10x the size of binary marc. |
| 17:47 | magnuse | these records are pretty meaty, i think |
| 17:48 | they figured out a way to put some weird mini records inside the regular records... | |
| 17:48 | swedes... | |
| 17:50 | Dyrcona | I take that back: 3-4x the size of binary marc. |
| 17:51 | I get about 1.3GB for binary MARC of 950,000 or so records with holdings information in 85x tags. | |
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| 17:53 | drojf | magnuse: MARCtryoshka records? |
| 17:53 | Dyrcona | drojf++ |
| 17:53 | magnuse | drojf: lol yes |
| 17:53 | more marc? | |
| 17:53 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 17:53 | magnuse | marc? |
| 17:53 | wahanui | marc is, like, the standard that isn't |
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| 17:57 | TGoat | @later tell ashimema - will you please tell me ..in Koha, I understand that cash drawers will work in conjunction with the receipt printer. Is the equipment brand(s)/product(s) specific for the receipt printer and cash drawer? Can you setup with any general equipment brand(s)/product(s) for this so long as it has the available ports to allow daisy chaining the equipment? You can reach me at: todd.goatleybywatersolutions.com |
| 17:57 | huginn | TGoat: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:02 | * magnuse | wanders off again |
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| 18:20 | talljoy_afk | history question. in what version was MARC incorporated into Koha? |
| 18:22 | and retained? (not broken apart) | |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | talljoy_afk: by not broken apart, you mean stored as binary/MARCXML as opposed to the single-row-per-subfield thing in 2.2? |
| 18:23 | talljoy_afk | yes |
| 18:23 | * talljoy | has narrowed it down to post 2.2 |
| 18:23 | talljoy | but i would think 3.0 since it would be a big change. |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | looks like 3.0, yeah |
| 18:29 | tcohen | 3.0 was zebra |
| 18:29 | MARC support was something big Paul introduced I recall | |
| 18:29 | long before 3.0 | |
| 18:30 | talljoy | 2.something then |
| 18:33 | tcohen | talljoy: http://snag.gy/IaAQn.jpg |
| 18:33 | paul_p++ | |
| 18:34 | talljoy | paul_p++ |
| 18:34 | pianohacker | so marc was 1.4 and the marc/marcxml blob style was 3.0? |
| 18:34 | paul_p++ | |
| 18:46 | misilot | is it possible to import MARC files that are ISO-8859-1 formatted? |
| 18:47 | tcohen | misilot: you can do it using Z39.50 |
| 18:48 | misilot | not through the marc import tool though?? |
| 18:48 | tcohen | need to choose the correct encoding |
| 18:48 | ah | |
| 18:49 | yes, you can choose ISO-8859-1 | |
| 18:49 | never tried though | |
| 18:49 | misilot | ah didn't see it there |
| 18:49 | thanks tcohen | |
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| 18:49 | misilot | guess I could always try and get the vendor to modify the format they send us ... |
| 18:50 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/ILFK2.jpg |
| 18:50 | misilot | thanks tcohen |
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| 19:11 | mtompset | tcohen: Bug 8007 |
| 19:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8007 new feature, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Discharge management |
| 19:11 | mtompset | and bug 10900 |
| 19:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10900 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context |
| 19:12 | tcohen | mtompset: already read my inbox |
| 19:12 | mtompset | Ah, it made it there fast. |
| 19:12 | tcohen | (i get emails for most of what happens on bugzilla) |
| 19:12 | mtompset | Where should I submit the patch? |
| 19:12 | new report, right? | |
| 19:13 | tcohen | yes |
| 19:13 | mtompset: BTW, could you take a look at my followup fr bug 14256? | |
| 19:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14256 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Tests for TestBuilder fail randomly |
| 19:13 | tcohen | i saw you put your signature on the first patch |
| 19:13 | i'm not happy with the "most of the time" part of the first patch | |
| 19:14 | so intend to have a proper deterministic solution | |
| 19:14 | mtompset | tcohen: Sadly, I fear to touch that report now. :) |
| 19:14 | But I may get around to it. No promises. | |
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| 19:59 | pianohacker | @later tell tcohen to revive an old discussion about JS translation; since we already have the format stuff working, would you object to an experimental patch that can translate strings in JS files? I do think it would make a noticeable difference in ease of development for larger JS stuff |
| 19:59 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:04 | mtompset | @later tell tcohen I hate trying to debug nested hash references. Something is wrong with the patch. |
| 20:04 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:27 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha |
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| 20:40 | jmsasse | wnickc: Hello, are you going to Erie? |
| 20:41 | wnickc | jmsasse: yes, need ot register |
| 20:41 | jmsasse | good, me too. |
| 20:43 | wnickc: When is the next nakug meeting? I didn't get an invite to the last one. | |
| 20:43 | wnickc | hmm..notice went oout on the lists |
| 20:43 | i think next thursday | |
| 20:44 | jmsasse: http://koha-na.org/index.php/M[…]y_online_meetings | |
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| 20:46 | jmsasse | wnickc: thanks |
| 20:47 | Has anyone noticed an issue with item types being incorrect in overdue notices? | |
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| 21:20 | cait | hi #koha |
| 21:23 | wnickc | hi cait |
| 21:23 | cait | hi wnickc :) |
| 21:23 | i got woried for a moment that everyone was gone! | |
| 21:24 | wnickc | just quiet :) |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | hi liz |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | oh hi! grats on the new job! |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | thanks :) |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | new/old job :) |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | heavy mix of both. Things change more than I expected when you go from 4 to 40 hours a week |
| 21:35 | * cait | waves |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | hi cait :) |
| 21:36 | what are you up to these days, liz? | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | breaking stuff, fixing stuff, trying to make librarians happy :) |
| 21:36 | the usual | |
| 21:36 | ^.^ | |
| 21:37 | pianohacker | cool |
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| 21:41 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 21:41 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 20.2°C (6:40 PM ART on June 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:42 | cait | tcohen: haven't read the logs yet :( |
| 21:43 | tcohen | pianohacker: please show the translation manager your working idea. bgkriegelgmail.com |
| 21:43 | i'm interested on it too, of course | |
| 21:43 | pianohacker | tcohen: Will do, thanks. Will CC you |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: what about you, what does bywater have you doing? |
| 21:44 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: mix of a lot of things. SAML, Rancor, some smaller devs |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | nice :) |
| 21:47 | tcohen | hi cait |
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| 21:51 | indradg | @wunder |
| 21:51 | huginn | indradg: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 21:51 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 21:51 | huginn | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 29.0°C (3:20 AM IST on June 04, 2015). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling). |
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| 22:01 | cait | can i get 5 minutes more? heh |
| 22:01 | not finished reading :) | |
| 22:03 | done | |
| 22:05 | tcohen: meeting? | |
| 22:05 | wahanui | i heard meeting was in two days, i thought was tomorrow. plenty of time then |
| 22:08 | tcohen | hi |
| 22:09 | eythian | hi |
| 22:09 | wahanui | que tal, eythian |
| 22:10 | tcohen | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2 |
| 22:10 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 3 22:10:10 2015 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:10 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:10 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_3_june_2015___part_2' |
| 22:10 | tcohen | #topic Introductions |
| 22:10 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 22:10 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:10 | tcohen | please introduce yourselves using #info |
| 22:10 | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi | |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst |
| 22:11 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT, Wellington |
| 22:11 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 22:11 | pianohacker | #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions |
| 22:11 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, India |
| 22:12 | tcohen | last time part 2 was only eythian and dcook (half of him) so, pretty good |
| 22:12 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst |
| 22:12 | tcohen | ok |
| 22:12 | #topic RM 3.22 comments | |
| 22:12 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.22 comments (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:13 | tcohen | I'll repeat myself from part 1 |
| 22:13 | i've been really happy with the 3.20 release | |
| 22:14 | we are upgrading to 3.20 really soon | |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 22:14 | tcohen | i'd like to congratulate all of you for such a nice release |
| 22:15 | several month ago cool projects were started from several community members | |
| 22:15 | eythian | I think we have someone who'll be going prod on 3.20, too. |
| 22:15 | rangi | yup, i upgraded them last night |
| 22:15 | tcohen | and the posibility of them making it for the next release |
| 22:15 | could make it a major milestone for the project | |
| 22:16 | for that to happen | |
| 22:16 | we need to boost involvement from the dev team members in other people's projects | |
| 22:17 | a full REST api, the posibility of using a web framework, Elastic Search, easier UI maintenance/coding/testing introducing angularjs, etc | |
| 22:17 | lots of cool stuff that could even boost participation from younger people | |
| 22:18 | anyway, the future looks exciting and efforts need to be done | |
| 22:18 | all those words I wrote, need to be discussed, decisions made, and of course coded and tested | |
| 22:18 | eythian | that would be a huge release if all those were in there. |
| 22:19 | tcohen | probably utopical, but something in that direction is quite possible |
| 22:19 | i might need to leave in a couple minutes oops | |
| 22:19 | to the point | |
| 22:20 | i'll try to keep a 3-week cycle for dev meetings | |
| 22:20 | and as said on part 1 | |
| 22:20 | will set a trello board for the big stuff everyone is working on | |
| 22:20 | eythian | grump proprietary tools grump |
| 22:20 | tcohen | jonathan proposed hosting our own libreboard |
| 22:21 | rangi | yeah we could use libreboard or taiga |
| 22:21 | tcohen | we were all open to that |
| 22:21 | rangi | taiga is easy |
| 22:21 | tcohen | if someone volunteers |
| 22:21 | the important thing is all of us having the whole picture of what's going on | |
| 22:21 | rangi | i reckon we could put taiga in our cloud eh eythian, just need to check, but i think it should be fine |
| 22:21 | eythian | sure |
| 22:21 | pianohacker | I'm going to wait to start volunteering bsw |
| 22:21 | w | |
| 22:22 | eythian | I already add things to it without really asking :) |
| 22:22 | cait | bsw? |
| 22:22 | pianohacker | *bws's servers until I've been here a bit longer |
| 22:22 | cait | oh |
| 22:22 | got it | |
| 22:22 | pianohacker | typing is hard |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 22:22 | eythian | that's OK, our cloud people want it to be stress tested a bit :) |
| 22:22 | pianohacker | m'excellent |
| 22:22 | eythian | So I we look into it |
| 22:22 | err | |
| 22:23 | you know what I meant. Typing is hard. | |
| 22:23 | tcohen | before I let cait chair, just wanted to mention that for the next topic, I promised to ask Julian Maurice to attend to a meeting soon, dedicated to the RESTful aPI, so we can discuss the current aproach and even make decisions about it |
| 22:23 | pianohacker | see? |
| 22:23 | cait | me chair? |
| 22:23 | tcohen | #chair cait |
| 22:23 | huginn | Current chairs: cait tcohen |
| 22:23 | tcohen | cool |
| 22:23 | sorry, baby urgency | |
| 22:24 | bbl | |
| 22:24 | cait | slightly unprepared |
| 22:24 | please help me a bit :) | |
| 22:24 | so i tihnk that was the RM comments | |
| 22:24 | pianohacker | that does qualify. What's next on the agenda? |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | can't compete with baby urgency. |
| 22:24 | cait | as he is gone, I suggest we move on |
| 22:24 | #topic Planning the 3.22 release | |
| 22:24 | Topic for #koha is now Planning the 3.22 release (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:24 | eythian | #action robin to look into hosting taiga |
| 22:24 | cait | thx eythian |
| 22:24 | eythian | (otherwise I'll forget) |
| 22:25 | cait | does it record your actions or only mine? |
| 22:25 | eythian | I have no idea |
| 22:25 | cait | #action robin to look into hosting taiga |
| 22:25 | now it will be there no matter what | |
| 22:25 | ok, i think we have heard about the trello/taiga idea | |
| 22:25 | another idea i spotted in the logs is Blocker monday? | |
| 22:25 | pianohacker | I was curious about that as well |
| 22:25 | cait | hassomeone here attended the first meeting as well? |
| 22:26 | pianohacker | http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-15.10.log.txt starting at 15:32:57 |
| 22:26 | cait | as I understood it the idea is to find some times for monday meetings to talk specifically about big developments blocking other developments and general blockers |
| 22:26 | kyle has started something like a survey on the mailing list | |
| 22:27 | koha-devel - for anyone interested | |
| 22:27 | there are a few big items listed on the agenda | |
| 22:27 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eting_3_June_2015 | |
| 22:28 | does someone want to add something to the list? | |
| 22:28 | I think a quick update on the state of Elastic would be cool :) | |
| 22:28 | pianohacker | I don't think we have any of the big players for the restful api here |
| 22:29 | eythian | cait: I've been delayed by other things, but Kathryn has now been fighting to get them out of my way, so I'm back on it pretty much only for a little while. |
| 22:29 | Also, I have basic staff client searching working. | |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 22:29 | pianohacker | excellent |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | kathryn++ |
| 22:29 | * eythian | needs to update his demo server. |
| 22:29 | cait | kathryn++ :) |
| 22:30 | eythian: tell me when i can test again ;) | |
| 22:30 | eythian | suuuuuure ;) |
| 22:30 | I'll probably do that today | |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 22:30 | cait | #info ElasticSearch: basic staff client search works |
| 22:30 | #action eythian to update the elastic search demo server | |
| 22:31 | so you don't forget :) | |
| 22:31 | eythian | heh |
| 22:31 | cait | anyone about file upload? |
| 22:31 | note: it depends on the changes to opacbaseurl including the protocol i think | |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | is there a bug # for that? |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | woah, what changes to opacbaseurl? |
| 22:31 | * pianohacker | <-- still out of the loop |
| 22:32 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 22:34 | cait | there is a mix now |
| 22:34 | somefeatures expect protocol to be part of the pref others not | |
| 22:34 | i think basically trying to fix that up - but i haven't worked on it | |
| 22:35 | bug 6847 | |
| 22:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6847 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, ASSIGNED , Bulk userid, password generation and email |
| 22:35 | pianohacker | joy, okay. |
| 22:35 | cait | oh not that one |
| 22:35 | bug 6874 | |
| 22:35 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 6874 is epic |
| 22:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) |
| 22:35 | cait | bug 5010 |
| 22:35 | wahanui | it has been said that bug 5010 is scary |
| 22:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Fix OPACBaseURL to include protocol |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | good gracious |
| 22:36 | cait | comments? additions? |
| 22:37 | pianohacker | only comment is that it should include the protocol |
| 22:38 | we have some systems on https for their opac and some not, and while they should all arguably be https, we need to capture that | |
| 22:38 | cait | some need to be https, like when using shibboleth or cas i guess |
| 22:38 | indradg | pianohacker +1 |
| 22:38 | cait | and in general... you shoudl be using https |
| 22:38 | ok if there is nothing else, we are moving on | |
| 22:38 | #topic Action from last meeting | |
| 22:38 | Topic for #koha is now Action from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:39 | cait | hm looks like it's all been done |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | I have a comment >.< |
| 22:39 | on the opacbaseurl | |
| 22:39 | I feel squidgy about it being in the sysprefs at all. | |
| 22:39 | it should be in koha_conf | |
| 22:40 | rangi | i agree, moving it to the config file makes a lot more sense |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | agreed |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | intranetbaseurl tool. |
| 22:40 | too* | |
| 22:40 | rangi | yup |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | my feeling is that we're still using it because "it's how we've always done it" |
| 22:41 | cait | #idea move opacbaseurl and intranetbaseurl to koha_conf |
| 22:41 | i wonder if there are any implications for multi branch setups | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | baseurl has never been branch specific |
| 22:41 | cait | but can't really think of something |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | there's only one pref :P |
| 22:41 | pianohacker | how would we go about migrating that, though? Helper that checks the config then the syspref, and move it to the config for new installs? |
| 22:41 | cait | are we ok about including the protocol? |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | I'm in favor |
| 22:42 | eythian | pianohacker: probably a fallback, yeah |
| 22:42 | cait | maybe the code could be pushed then and in a second step move it |
| 22:42 | ihope the patches add consistency about the expected fomat | |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | cait: does the plan for that bug involve a migration that will prepend the protocol to the syspref if it's missing? |
| 22:43 | cait | i haven'tchecked the code myself, i don't know |
| 22:44 | pianohacker | looks like it, yes |
| 22:44 | kk, good | |
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| 22:45 | pianohacker | cait: could I talk for a bit about Rancor after this? |
| 22:45 | cait | sure :) |
| 22:45 | changed the topic too early i guess | |
| 22:46 | #topic Planning the 3.22 release cont | |
| 22:46 | Topic for #koha is now Planning the 3.22 release cont (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:46 | cait | go ahead |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | (quick refresher: Rancor is the code name for the professional cataloging interface for Koha that I've been working on for the past two years.) |
| 22:47 | In a discussion with cait, she mentioned the possibility of bringing in Rancor as an experimental feature and hammering out the bugs as time goes on | |
| 22:48 | I was in favor of this, as my every-single-feature 4-page-long test plan that I posted on bug 11559 garnered, for some reason, little enthusiasm | |
| 22:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 22:48 | eythian | heh |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | I wanted to ask you all a) what you thought of this b) how we should mark Rancor as experimental within the UI and c) what I should provide to make this a possibility |
| 22:49 | cait | hm not quite what i said :P |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | glad I asked then :) |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | a. I like it, for something that big iterative is probably better. |
| 22:49 | eythian | I think we should agree that cait said it. |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | cait: in your words without my optimistic filter |
| 22:50 | cait | itihnk we should still get it through the normal qa process, but it's big |
| 22:50 | so there will still things being missed probably | |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | well, we should decide what it needs at an absolute minimum |
| 22:50 | UI wise, we should probably require that it be enabled somehow | |
| 22:50 | syspref, probably | |
| 22:51 | so that it absolutely does not get in the way of people who don't and won't ever want to use it. | |
| 22:51 | cait | what i said was that it was nice it's independent - so we don't need to worry too much if we can make sure it doesn't break existing features and doesn't create invalid data or something evil |
| 22:51 | there will be workarounds with the existing editor | |
| 22:51 | pianohacker | cait: okay, cool. That's generally what I was thinking |
| 22:51 | +1 to liz's idea | |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | but possibly also show a message on the cataloguing screen (or make an intranet news item?) that says "hey, there's a new cataloguing system help us out by testing it" |
| 22:52 | "here's how you do that, file your bugs here, thanks for your participation blah blah" | |
| 22:52 | cait | hm i'd maybe put in a staff news or soemthing in the release notes |
| 22:52 | having it constantly shw on cataloguing might get annoying :) | |
| 22:52 | not sure there is a good place for iton those screen | |
| 22:52 | s | |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | I was thinking maybe only for superlibrarians |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | I'm more in favor of the intranet news item as well |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | as they're the only ones with permissions to change sysprefs |
| 22:53 | but I'm not fussed either way ;) | |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | cait: would a test plan for the little bits and pieces of code that are touched outside Rancor itself, and the UI/syspref to enable/disable it be a good next step? |
| 22:55 | cait | sorry, I am a bit slow tonight |
| 22:55 | let me reread that sentence | |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea | I had a thought, maybe we should have a specific area in the sysprefs for "experimental features" |
| 22:55 | cait | sounds good to me |
| 22:56 | if it really gets long, you might want to move the test plan outside bugzilla maybe | |
| 22:56 | not sure where to put it, maybe the wiki | |
| 22:56 | i find long text in bugzilla a bit hard to read at times | |
| 22:56 | pianohacker | cait: the test plan for the outside-rancor code in those patches will be waaaaay shorter than the test plan for rancor itself :) |
| 22:56 | cait | that feeds my hope of it not breaking something :) |
| 22:57 | ok, anything else before we close? | |
| 22:57 | #action pianohacker to add a test plan addendum for outside-rancor code being touched by the patches (bug 11559) | |
| 22:57 | pianohacker | cait: mind putting an action for the test plan and syspref to enable/disable? |
| 22:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 22:57 | pianohacker | heh, why thank you ;) |
| 22:57 | cait | #action pianohacker to add a pref to turn off/on the new editor |
| 22:58 | ok? :) | |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | yup ypu |
| 22:58 | eythian | whatever the continuation of an action is: I have a server for taiga built |
| 22:58 | cait | can someone check if the last meeting already agreed on a date/time? |
| 22:58 | eythian++ :) | |
| 22:58 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | cait: not in the posted log |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | #action pianohacker to add news item to notify koha users of experimental cataloguing interface |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | thanks liz |
| 22:58 | cait | hm in 3 weeks that would be |
| 22:59 | July 25th? | |
| 22:59 | 15 and 22 utc again? | |
| 22:59 | #topic Set date and time for next meeting | |
| 22:59 | Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 3 June 2015 - part 2) | |
| 22:59 | pianohacker | oh nvm, I'm blind. But +1 to that date and time |
| 22:59 | cait | any veto? |
| 22:59 | i will add it as a suggestion then and leave final decision to tcohen | |
| 23:00 | i think they also talked about a meeting for the rest api next week | |
| 23:00 | so plans might change | |
| 23:00 | #info suggestion for the next meeting date: july 25th, 15 + 22 utc | |
| 23:00 | #endmeeting | |
| 23:00 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 23:00 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 3 23:00:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 23:00 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-03-22.10.html | |
| 23:00 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-06-03-22.10.txt | |
| 23:00 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-22.10.log.html | |
| 23:00 | cait | thx all for attending |
| 23:01 | wizzyrea | thx cait |
| 23:01 | indradg | thanks cait |
| 23:01 | pianohacker | thanks cait |
| 23:02 | wizzyrea: just to make sure I understand, would this experimental features sysprefs area have previously included things like granular permissions? | |
| 23:02 | wizzyrea | I don't think so? I'm not sure it's ever existed... |
| 23:03 | pianohacker | right right, but if it had back when you could enable/disable granular permissions with a syspref |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | I don't know |
| 23:03 | :) | |
| 23:04 | pianohacker | okay, fair nuff |
| 23:05 | good night all | |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | have a good evening :) |
| 23:09 | talljoy | wizzyrea had a library today ask why doesn't Koha store ALL the bits in a marc tag in individual fields in the database. (ala 2.2) |
| 23:10 | eythian | just that idea gives me nightmares |
| 23:10 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 23:10 | talljoy | right? |
| 23:10 | pianohacker started giggling maniacally. ask him! | |
| 23:10 | it was pretty funny. | |
| 23:10 | * cait | tries to imagine a clean database model for this and fails |
| 23:10 | talljoy | yah. |
| 23:11 | eythian | it wouldn't really be possible in any sane way, the structures are too different. |
| 23:11 | talljoy | my mind goes to all the libraries who have unique needs. No, put the publisher in the author field because we <insert crazy scheme> |
| 23:11 | so every library would have their 'own table structure' and that makes me twitch. | |
| 23:11 | wizzyrea | sounds like a migration from something like dbtext |
| 23:12 | talljoy | yah. |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | eythian would know better. |
| 23:12 | eythian | yeah, a lot of things we see try to do something like that, and it's always half arsed. |
| 23:12 | talljoy | i've done some text to marc migrations. |
| 23:12 | and it is not pretty to recreate marc from flat files. | |
| 23:13 | but it does bring up the point about accessibility to data. anyone working on 'linked data' and Koha? | |
| 23:13 | working beyond marc? | |
| 23:13 | eythian | isn't that magnuse's ballywick? |
| 23:13 | talljoy | then i need to talk to him. |
| 23:14 | i'll ping him in the morning. |
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