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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | Pabloab | Sorry, I mean $record = $batch->first(), or start() |
| 00:01 | rangi | right |
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| 00:01 | rangi | this is outside of Koha right, just using MARC::Batch |
| 00:02 | Pabloab | Exactly, but to import into Koha next! |
| 00:09 | rangi | you'd probably have to implement that method yourself then |
| 00:11 | it uses MARC::File::USMARC | |
| 00:11 | in the back | |
| 00:12 | which uses MARC::File | |
| 00:13 | so you'd have to write a start method if you wanted to use it | |
| 00:14 | Pabloab | Yes. I'm trying to find a workaround to avoid doing that |
| 00:16 | rangi | unfortunately I don't think there is one |
| 00:17 | $fh = eval { local *FH; open( FH, '<', $arg ) or die; *FH{IO}; }; | |
| 00:17 | its just a plain old filehandle under the hood | |
| 00:19 | in theory | |
| 00:19 | you could use seek | |
| 00:19 | seek $fh, 0, 0; | |
| 00:22 | so in theory | |
| 00:23 | seek $batch->{file}->{fh}, 0, 0; | |
| 00:23 | you could try that in your script see if it works | |
| 00:23 | btw how is buenos aires today ? :) | |
| 00:28 | Pabloab | Not so humid and hot as some days ago :) |
| 00:29 | Can't use an undefined value as a symbol reference at ... I'm looking for a concatenation issue | |
| 00:30 | eythian | Pabloab: why do you need to not open it again? |
| 00:33 | Pabloab | foreach record on a $batch1 I need to roll over $batch2, $batch3... I suspect if I open files from batch2, 3, n on every batch1 loop I will add a lot of overhead... Im I wrong? |
| 00:34 | eythian | well, your tradeoff is necessarily memory or processing. |
| 00:34 | Pabloab | (yes, I notice my English is awful.. certainly always too late :/) |
| 00:34 | eythian | You can either store everything on the first pass, or you can re-scan the files. |
| 00:35 | If everything can stay in memory, then put them there, if not, you're stuck with reopening. | |
| 00:37 | Pabloab | I was trying to rescan the files but without reopening, just something like seek $fh, 0, 0 as rangi told. Maybe I have no choice. |
| 00:38 | eythian | you can do that, but I expect it'll make little difference. |
| 00:38 | you've probably spent more time trying to work out the fastest way than it would take between the best and worst ways :) | |
| 00:39 | rangi | :) |
| 00:40 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:41 | eythian | wahanui: optimisation is <reply>Rule 1: don't optimise. Rule 2: (for experts only) don't optimise yet. |
| 00:41 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 00:41 | dcook | I was just going to look if that quote was already there :p |
| 00:41 | * dcook | is guilty of trying to over-optimise things from time to time :/ |
| 00:43 | rangi | http://www.infoworld.com/artic[…]ift-surprise.html |
| 00:44 | dcook | Ooo |
| 00:45 | Pabloab | http://xkcd.com/1445/ Probably :P Okey, I'll do the nasty way, now that you say so I feel better :) |
| 00:45 | rangi | :) |
| 00:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:47 | efficiency? | |
| 00:47 | wahanui | efficiency is really important for anything circ related |
| 00:47 | dcook | efficiency is also http://xkcd.com/1445/ |
| 00:47 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 01:04 | Pabloab | Thanks a lot rangi, eythian! |
| 01:04 | rangi | no worries |
| 01:05 | Pabloab | 1.1 seconds/record ... I'll try next with a ramdisk |
| 01:08 | eythian | it's probalby the parsing of the MARC that's the expensive bit, timewise. |
| 01:17 | rangi | that sounds plausibl |
| 01:17 | e | |
| 01:21 | i call this | |
| 01:21 | working with marc records | |
| 01:21 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXMAjFgK_R8 | |
| 01:27 | dcook | Hmm, that was creepy. |
| 01:27 | I make a FB post about measuring twice and cutting once, and now Youtube is showing my carpentry ads. | |
| 01:28 | Poor mascot :( | |
| 01:44 | jcamins | Huh. This is weird. |
| 01:45 | NYTProf results: GetSubscriptionFrequency is getting called 20k times when viewing a serial. | |
| 01:59 | Does anyone around have a 3.16+ server with a subscription that works? | |
| 02:01 | * dcook | doesn't have any 3.16+ servers atm |
| 02:02 | * jcamins | is regretting having a 3.16.x server. |
| 02:08 | dcook | 3.16.x certainly seems to be having issues :( |
| 02:09 | jcamins | dcook: unfortunately, it was nothing sufficiently obvious for me to spot it when I was testing. |
| 02:10 | However, I figured it out. | |
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| 02:40 | dcook | hidden? |
| 02:40 | wahanui | hidden is http://paste.koha-community.org/295 |
| 02:40 | dcook | Dang... thought that might happen |
| 02:40 | forget hidden | |
| 02:40 | wahanui | dcook: I forgot hidden |
| 02:40 | dcook | hidden? |
| 02:45 | hidden is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values | |
| 02:45 | hidden? | |
| 02:45 | wahanui | rumour has it hidden is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values |
| 02:45 | dcook | There. That should beat going into 3.8 every time I need to figure out what an integer means.. |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | So. Who has simple patches that I can pass on to a blossoming kohacker? |
| 03:08 | or simple bugs. | |
| 03:16 | dcook | Ooo |
| 03:16 | * dcook | should take a look |
| 03:17 | dcook | one is a bit annoying to test unless a person is willing to do a non-git install too |
| 03:17 | bug 13469 - simple patch but a bit of work to test | |
| 03:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13469 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Unapi path to XSLTs is wrong in OPAC |
| 03:18 | * dcook | needs to learn how to butter up the QA team now.. |
| 04:31 | wizzyrea | cookies usually works. |
| 04:32 | dcook | I suppose I should start baking! |
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| 04:51 | dcook | hidden? |
| 04:51 | wahanui | hidden is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Hidden_values |
| 04:56 | Hayro joined #koha | |
| 06:02 | cait joined #koha | |
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| 06:30 | ashimema_ | morning #koha |
| 06:30 | cait | morning ashimema :) |
| 06:30 | ashimema_ | silly question.. anyone know if 3.18.01 is on track.. i've not seen any news on it yet. |
| 06:58 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 07:09 | mtj | ashimema_: http://koha-community.org/koha[…]security-release/ |
| 07:10 | ..was released on dec 10th | |
| 07:11 | ashimema_ | indeed.. |
| 07:11 | I meant 3.18.02 in that case. | |
| 07:12 | (in my mind the current 3.18.01 should probably have been 3.18.00.001) | |
| 07:12 | being a rushed in security release... or at least that's what I thought was meant to happen ;) | |
| 07:20 | mtj | ah right... afaik, a dec 22nd release is happening for all branches |
| 07:22 | ashimema_ | that's the one I was talking about :) |
| 07:22 | I have a fair few bugs in my queue that I'de like to see in that release and am wondering how to help move them forward.. | |
| 07:22 | anywho.. breakfast time for me | |
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| 07:41 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:46 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 07:46 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:47 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:54 | ashimema_ | can anyone direct me at joubu bugzilla patch analysing tool? |
| 07:54 | I can't remember the URL and can't find a link to it anywhere. | |
| 08:01 | Joubu | ashimema: http://splitter.koha-community.org/ ? |
| 08:02 | and hello :) | |
| 08:06 | shalom joined #koha | |
| 08:11 | drojf | oh there is a meeting today? |
| 08:11 | how come both times are ok for europe? does that work for everybody else? | |
| 08:13 | shalom | Has the meeting started? |
| 08:14 | drojf | no in 45 minutes |
| 08:14 | shalom | all right :) |
| 08:15 | ashimema | thanks Joubu |
| 08:22 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:26 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 08:27 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:27 | wahanui | what's up, gaetan_B |
| 08:34 | sachin joined #koha | |
| 08:34 | sachin | need help in autobarcode generation |
| 08:34 | we are not able to generate auto barcode when uploding via marc file | |
| 08:35 | cait | sachin: it's probably nto implemented to do that |
| 08:36 | sachin | means |
| 08:37 | cait | that it's not possible |
| 08:38 | sachin | so how will i be able to upload so many books without barcode |
| 08:38 | cait | i think you would have to set the barcode pre-upload |
| 08:38 | or import them with an empty barcode and then try to update via sql/reindex or manually. | |
| 08:39 | sachin | sql/reindex ? could u guide |
| 08:39 | as manually it would be tough | |
| 08:43 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:43 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 2.1°C (9:40 AM CET on December 17, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:45 | cait | sorry sachin, i have something time critical to do right now |
| 08:47 | sachin | sql/reindex ? can anyone guide |
| 08:47 | thats fine @cait | |
| 09:02 | thd | Is there a meeting now or should I be asleep? |
| 09:07 | Is this the wrong hour at the wrong time of year for people to be on #koha for a meeting? | |
| 09:14 | cait | sorry yes |
| 09:14 | we have a meeting | |
| 09:14 | should we start now belated? | |
| 09:15 | someone here? | |
| 09:15 | ashimema | hello |
| 09:15 | cait | meeting now? |
| 09:16 | ashimema | I'll be multi-tasking as I have two meetings at once going on here.. |
| 09:16 | * cait | jumps up and down and waves her arms |
| 09:16 | ashimema | but I'm about and will be watching adn commenting when my brain allows it. |
| 09:16 | anyone else about.? | |
| 09:16 | cait | ok, so let's try this |
| 09:16 | drojf | oops where did the time go |
| 09:16 | cait | #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting, part1 |
| 09:16 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 09:16:54 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 09:16 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 09:16 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:16 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting__part1' |
| 09:16 | drojf | ha you have not started^^ |
| 09:17 | cait | sorry for the dealy, i was doing some tricky sql updates (end of year things in acq) |
| 09:17 | forgot the time a bit | |
| 09:17 | #topic introductions | |
| 09:17 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:17 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 09:17 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 09:17 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
| 09:17 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 09:18 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - via California for the next 10 days |
| 09:18 | drojf | that's a small meeting :D |
| 09:18 | cait | we could hold the meeting in german |
| 09:18 | ah, maybe not then :) | |
| 09:19 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 09:19 | cait | I think ashimema will probably be back once i change topic :) |
| 09:19 | #topic Announcements | |
| 09:19 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:20 | cait | I can see a note from chris_n on the wiki |
| 09:20 | drojf | oh we could have tried this as a video conference to test my webinar server ;) |
| 09:20 | cait | but i think the issue has been resolved since |
| 09:21 | #link agenda http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_17_December_2014 | |
| 09:21 | #info bug 10821: For all interested parties, the fix for this has been applied in Library::Callnumber::LC | |
| 09:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10821 major, P1 - high, ---, cnighswonger, CLOSED WONTFIX, label pdf adding in strange breaking |
| 09:22 | drojf | i assume voting up that bug requires a google account |
| 09:22 | ah it's done already \o/ | |
| 09:22 | cait | i think it's no longer necessary now |
| 09:22 | but it seems you need to be registered | |
| 09:22 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 09:22 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:22 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 09:22 | cait | any release maintainers awake and around? |
| 09:23 | from the info i have the releases are still scheduled to happen on 22nd | |
| 09:23 | ashimema | we can only hope ;) |
| 09:24 | cait | and we had an unscheduled security release |
| 09:24 | release_maintainers++ | |
| 09:24 | #topic Discussion: Road Map for Koha | |
| 09:24 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion: Road Map for Koha (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:25 | ashimema | I like the idea of a Roadmap.. |
| 09:25 | cait | I think the goal was to discuss more about the contents this time |
| 09:25 | or the review bit for 3.18? | |
| 09:25 | ashimema | also happy to be not time baed.. just a sort of project directional aid |
| 09:25 | cait | yeah i think general goals are good to write up |
| 09:26 | and update the status of them regularly | |
| 09:26 | will people around now be able to make it to the second meeting tonight? | |
| 09:26 | drojf | i will probably |
| 09:26 | cait | tonight/today |
| 09:26 | thd | A roadmap of arbitrary depth and detail could be maintained easily in the wiki. |
| 09:27 | Maintaining a summary on the website would be a greater task and would necessarily be out of date. | |
| 09:27 | cait | yeah, I think the wiki will be a good place |
| 09:27 | ashimema | hoepfully will be around |
| 09:28 | wiki++ | |
| 09:28 | cait | as we are not so many people... maybe we can postpone deeper discussion to the second part today? |
| 09:28 | thd | I think it would be better to point a roadmap page on the website to some suitable set of linked pages in the wiki. |
| 09:28 | ashimema | agreed |
| 09:28 | cait | #idea use the wiki, point from the website to the wiki - easier to keep updated |
| 09:28 | thd | However, if anyone wants to maintain a summary on website, great. |
| 09:29 | ashimema | wiki's can export to html given the right tools.. |
| 09:29 | I'de maintain in the wikie and pull data from it on the website if it were me | |
| 09:29 | cait | #idea pull the data for the website out of the wiki |
| 09:30 | anything else? | |
| 09:30 | thd | ashimena: Certainly, however, the useful content for a summary from the wiki is liable to be multiple linked pages which may be different from the preferred presentation of a summary on the website. |
| 09:31 | ashimema | yup.. hence there would need to be a small amount of manipulation website side.. |
| 09:31 | I've done things like that before.. | |
| 09:31 | cait | i think maybe a link to the wiki is all we need |
| 09:31 | ashimema | grabbing links and trasnforming them into title for instance. |
| 09:32 | but a link is deffo suffice for the start | |
| 09:33 | cait | #idea use a link and leave content on the wiki |
| 09:33 | are we ok? | |
| 09:34 | I will switch to the next topic | |
| 09:34 | #topic Election: wiki curator | |
| 09:34 | Topic for #koha is now Election: wiki curator (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 09:34 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 09:34 | thd | A summary even from linked wiki pages might be created from a script but the effort is probably better applied to creating and maintaing useful content in the wiki. |
| 09:34 | cait | agreed |
| 09:34 | ashimema | ++ |
| 09:35 | I've expressed my thoughts on the curator proposal discussion page. | |
| 09:35 | thd | I posted a list of candidates for holding the position collectively for the previous meeting. |
| 09:35 | cait | thd: do you have a link or can repost? |
| 09:35 | ashimema | I'de rather a more open procedure for chsooing extensions etc.. |
| 09:35 | thd | checking |
| 09:35 | ashimema | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 09:36 | cait | I tend to agree, I am worried about missing security updates etc. it seems we already fell behind quite a bit |
| 09:36 | ashimema | we are at .16.. mediawiki was at .22 last I looked |
| 09:36 | cait | maybe it's worth taking the chance to simplify our setup a bit |
| 09:36 | ashimema | .24 in fact |
| 09:37 | I also tend to feel we're over complicating the wiki.. I've been wanting to nuke half the extensions for a long time now | |
| 09:37 | thd | We have very good backups in version control. |
| 09:37 | cait | #info a discussion has been started on the wiki - http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 09:37 | thd | Do we actually have many extensions? |
| 09:38 | I suspect that most people want more extensions. | |
| 09:38 | cait | I think while some of them are generally useful, we might not make use of them |
| 09:38 | thd | The problem with updating is that it breaks things unless planned carefully. |
| 09:38 | ashimema | we have like 6 category based extentions.. |
| 09:39 | that make adding/editing the wiki plain hard. | |
| 09:39 | We're using postgres, which isn't well supported by mediaiwiki or it's extensions either.. | |
| 09:39 | thd | ashimena: Some work together with dependencies. |
| 09:39 | ashimema | which is one of the issues preventing easy upgrades |
| 09:40 | personally.. I would remove all the category extensions.. | |
| 09:40 | and then choose a elected set to use | |
| 09:40 | thd | Upgrades are not prevented. Upgrades require planning and testing. |
| 09:40 | ashimema | removing the ability to add categories in the markup is a step backwards |
| 09:41 | they are prevented.. as they're in the hands of one or two people with no time.. | |
| 09:41 | thd | We did that once without planning and testing and then I had to spend some days fixing things. |
| 09:41 | ashimema | hense planning and testing is prevented.. |
| 09:41 | I would prefer this convesation took place with more parties.. | |
| 09:41 | cait | I think that's where being closer to a standard version could help us - making updates easier |
| 09:42 | ashimema | I'm not against you here thd.. but I think we have very differeing opinions which could do with someexternal thoughts going forward |
| 09:42 | thd | The implementation is under git version control for which anyone can obtain a copy. |
| 09:42 | cait | I am helping to maintain our dokuwiki here - and moving away from our customizations have helped a lot to increace maintainability |
| 09:42 | thd | Thus, anyone could test. |
| 09:42 | ashimema | that's not public knolledge as far asI'm aware |
| 09:43 | drojf | not being familiar with the technical aspects of our wiki, what customisations are we talking about? |
| 09:43 | thd | gmcharlt, might need to facilitate some access as it is hosted at Equinox. |
| 09:43 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ministration#wiki.koha-community.org |
| 09:43 | we culd put the information there | |
| 09:44 | thd | We had previously used DokuWiki. |
| 09:44 | cait | #idea add information about installed plugins, changes to standard wiki to the wiki |
| 09:45 | thd | The problems that had is with no authority control over suggesting categories most content had no categories and could not be found systematically. |
| 09:45 | cait | thd: i know - just using it as an example. We encourage people to not change koha in ways that hinder update, but we seem to do just that with our wiki |
| 09:45 | thd | The "cumbersome" category extensions make content findable in a systematic manner. |
| 09:47 | Yes, a burden is added to the user when creating a new page. However, every later user of the page benefits from the initial effort. | |
| 09:47 | ashimema | ack.. my other call is getting busy.. |
| 09:47 | dropping out again for a bit. | |
| 09:47 | sorry | |
| 09:47 | cait | I think there are some valid concerns here - maybe we should gather some more info and try to rethink this together? |
| 09:48 | thd | Mostly, maintenance has been neglected. |
| 09:48 | That is significantly my fault but I know how to remedy the situation. | |
| 09:49 | cait | I think the idea we propose is mostly making this more easy in the future |
| 09:49 | time is the single resource we never have enough of | |
| 09:49 | more important than funding or anything else I think | |
| 09:50 | thd | The wiki should have content linked from the front page explaining good use and its advantages as I did for the former wiki before we lost that to PTFS/LibLime trouble. |
| 09:50 | s/did/had created/ | |
| 09:50 | cait | I think we should not create too many rules/barriers |
| 09:50 | thd | They were never rules. |
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| 09:52 | thd | The only rule that might be enforced is assigning at least one category to a newly created page to keep it from becoming lost. |
| 09:52 | cait | i hop this didn't come across too negative - I appreciate that you want to take this on and hope we can have some discussion on how without being discourating |
| 09:52 | thd | I had taken it on in the past. |
| 09:52 | Most of my work on the former wiki is sadly lost. | |
| 09:53 | I also pushed for MediaWiki over DokuWiki. | |
| 09:54 | The choice of wiki software was meant to be a contest. However, LibLime took down the earlier DokuWiki wiki which had held most all of the content at the time. | |
| 09:54 | drojf | do we have usage statistics for the wiki? like, how people actually use it? maybe it's just me, but i hardly ever use anything but the search function |
| 09:55 | thd | s/LibLime/PTFS\/LibLime/ |
| 09:55 | cait | that's all right |
| 09:55 | I didn't mean to question the mediawiki choice at all | |
| 09:56 | thd | drojf: Google has brainwashed you into thinking that libraries and curation are unnecessary when you have full text indexing :) |
| 09:56 | cait | i personally prefer dokuwiki as we are using that here - but that doesn't mean i would want to propose a change .) |
| 09:56 | drojf | thd: i don't want to imply it is not needed! not at all. i just wonder if there are statistics. i have no idea what other people do :) |
| 09:57 | thd | MediaWiki is a larger and necessarily more complex project as it has to support whatever people want for Wikipedia. |
| 09:57 | cait | I can only speak for myself, but i use the search feature too :) |
| 09:57 | drojf | i don't think i am the regular wiki user. also i have bookmarked most of the stuff i use often ;) |
| 09:58 | cait | thd: i think we are using mediawiki for the koha project - noone questions that |
| 09:58 | thd | Categories allow finding RFCs for what people are working on, etc. in a systematic manner. |
| 09:59 | cait | i think the problem here is maintenance, as those don't get updated, so the categories are not correct |
| 09:59 | and some rfcs are not marked, although they won't be implemented or have never implemented in the way written up on the wiki | |
| 09:59 | thd | cait: There was meant to be a question and a vote but the issue became somewhat moot when PTFS/LibLime took down the DokuWiki implementation. |
| 09:59 | cait | but that's content we need to fix and maintain |
| 09:59 | drojf | personally i am more concerned with outdated contents than categorisation at the moment |
| 10:00 | i can't pass a link to a library that wants to switch to dom, because the information on the wiki is not accurate | |
| 10:00 | thd | drojf: We should tag the content as outdated but then encourage people to update it. |
| 10:02 | Some Wikipedia editors have a habbit of deleting pages which I think is a bad idea for a library software. We should preserve it but mark it. | |
| 10:02 | drojf | is that possible at the moment? (tagging it outdated) |
| 10:02 | cait | i think a 'how to' with hints on how to use the features might be good |
| 10:02 | like a note on how to add something to mark it 'outdated' most effectively | |
| 10:02 | and in a searchable way | |
| 10:03 | thd | I had created a good tutorial for DokuWiki and was taken aback when it all went down. |
| 10:04 | At the time, it was a tit-for-tat response over starting an independent bugzilla instance. | |
| 10:04 | cait | I'd like to give the second part of the meeting the chance to contribute to this before we vote |
| 10:05 | thd | Certainly. |
| 10:05 | wahanui | certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing ashimema's attention to it. |
| 10:05 | thd | I will not be around for the second part. |
| 10:05 | cait | hm ok |
| 10:05 | maybe the wiki? | |
| 10:06 | thd | We should at least consider in this part whether the more the merrier bug wrangler concept applies. |
| 10:06 | I favour that concept which has certainly contributed to and not lessoned the level of maintenance. | |
| 10:07 | cait | so the question is if we will have more than one wiki curator for the content? |
| 10:07 | or is this also about the technical side/server access? | |
| 10:07 | paxed | li#patronbasics img[src$="blank.png"] { display: none !important; } |
| 10:07 | ^ hide the patron image if there is no image set | |
| 10:07 | thd | There have defacto been multiple wiki maintainers working simultaneously. |
| 10:08 | drojf | i don't think it is possible for one person to maintain the whole wiki (speaking of accuracy contents) in their spare time |
| 10:08 | thd | There is a list in the candidates page but others should be free to join. |
| 10:08 | cait | I think i'd leave the role open to everyone who wants to contribute |
| 10:08 | thd | +1 |
| 10:08 | drojf | (contents accuracy) |
| 10:09 | cait | and we also have people with different areas of expertise |
| 10:09 | (if that works as an english word :) ) | |
| 10:09 | thd | Maintenance has a very broad scope. |
| 10:10 | I had concentrated on the backend and trying to avoid orphan pages. | |
| 10:10 | cait | I am not sure how to proceed - i think what i see is a general agreement that curating is a multi-people thing? |
| 10:11 | drojf | i'd agree to that |
| 10:11 | cait | can i get a quick indication if that is right? |
| 10:11 | +1 | |
| 10:11 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:11 | thd | +1 |
| 10:11 | Joubu | +1 |
| 10:11 | cait | #agreed Curating the wiki content should be a multi-people approach |
| 10:11 | hope that will make sense to the meeting later | |
| 10:11 | ashimema | right.. |
| 10:11 | I'm back.. | |
| 10:12 | reading up | |
| 10:12 | cait | as we run out of time a bit, I'd like to move on more quickly now |
| 10:12 | #topic Communication manager | |
| 10:12 | Topic for #koha is now Communication manager (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 10:12 | cait | to my information noone has stepped up yet willing to fill the role |
| 10:13 | thd | I am not certain that the scope of communications manager has been well defined. |
| 10:13 | cait | yes, that might be the problem |
| 10:13 | thd | However, no one has stepped forward for any definition. |
| 10:14 | cait | I think maybe this would be better to bring up to the mailing list agan |
| 10:14 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:14 | for the mailing list | |
| 10:14 | thd | +1 |
| 10:15 | cait | #agreed bring up the communication manager role on the mailing list again |
| 10:16 | #topic KohaCon15 | |
| 10:16 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 10:16 | jransom | hi all. (jo ransom, hlt - nz) |
| 10:16 | cait | hi jo :) |
| 10:16 | quite late for you! | |
| 10:16 | you can add #info in front, then it will show up in the meeting minutes | |
| 10:17 | I think today there is noone fromt he organisers around -maybe it's a bad time | |
| 10:17 | i will move on | |
| 10:17 | #topic Actions from the last meeting | |
| 10:17 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from the last meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 10:17 | jransom | #info jransom |
| 10:17 | ashimema | I'll add more thoughts on the wiki propositions to the discussion page rather than pollute further here |
| 10:18 | cait | hm i think we have an old link on the wiki, one sec |
| 10:18 | the correct link to the last meeting: | |
| 10:18 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_19_November_2014 | |
| 10:18 | ashimema | I did allot fo the work on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page back in the day.. and that wiki is now happily self sustaining... I also install, maintian and train mediaiwki for a series of customers.. |
| 10:19 | just so thd has some of my own background | |
| 10:19 | cait | #info the community website has been updated with information about kohacon15 |
| 10:19 | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ | |
| 10:20 | @later tell wizzyrea can you update http://koha-community.org/kohacon/ please to list Nigeria as upcoming? thx! | |
| 10:20 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:20 | cait | and i think BobB emailed the list about the roles, but as said earlier we need to bring that up again |
| 10:21 | anything else? | |
| 10:21 | #topic Set date and time for next meeting | |
| 10:21 | Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting, part1) | |
| 10:22 | cait | I thik maybe we shoudl leave that to the second part |
| 10:22 | as we have only very small attendance today | |
| 10:22 | drojf | i'd vote for only one date |
| 10:22 | cait | that ok? |
| 10:22 | drojf | this split does not really seem to work well |
| 10:22 | cait | #idea go back to 1 meeting instead of 2 |
| 10:22 | jransom | has the koha fundraising idea been discussed at all? |
| 10:22 | drojf | jransom: nope |
| 10:22 | cait | jransom: it hasn't been on the agenda - not sure about the state |
| 10:23 | thd | Presumably the second part would be more interested in a later time. |
| 10:23 | drojf | nobody showed up |
| 10:23 | cait | drojf: jo did :) |
| 10:23 | drojf | ah |
| 10:23 | sorry :)) | |
| 10:23 | cait | but i think maybe the time is bad for california/bag? |
| 10:23 | thd | I am in California at the moment. |
| 10:24 | However, it is not a great time for California. | |
| 10:24 | cait | jransom: i think probably the second meeting - but it would have been good to add to the agenda - guess we forgot |
| 10:24 | drojf | about splitting the meeting, i think we get more out of one meeting followed by mailing list discussions if necessary than with two seperate parts of one meeting |
| 10:24 | cait | I have a feeling too that the experiment has not been successful |
| 10:24 | there is always one meeting with only very few attendees | |
| 10:24 | jransom | the fundraising idea is being discussed via email. |
| 10:25 | thd | Nor is it a great time presently for the US in general. |
| 10:25 | cait | #info leaving setting date and time to second part of the meeting |
| 10:25 | #endmeeting | |
| 10:25 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 17 Dec. at 9UTC and 21UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 10:25 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 10:25:15 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 10:25 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-17-09.16.html | |
| 10:25 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-12-17-09.16.txt | |
| 10:25 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]17-09.16.log.html | |
| 10:25 | drojf | for me it is now like "join the first meeting, agree on nothing because wait for the second meeting, join that too" |
| 10:26 | or, don't. but the first meeting seems to be less important | |
| 10:26 | cait | I will be around second part most likely - i will try to bring it up |
| 10:26 | thd | drojf: I had thought that each meeting would take decisions but that there has never been a significantly conflicting decision to cause a problem. |
| 10:27 | drojf | thd: sure, but if disussion is involved, it does not really work well. i don't see a problem if we just want to vote things that have been discussed |
| 10:28 | thd | The problem with rotating the clock is that about one third of the meetings would have almost no attendance because the favoured time zones one third of the time did not have people who were inclined to participate. |
| 10:28 | drojf | i would like to rethink the 3 zones |
| 10:28 | thd | drojf: Agreed, a split discussion is a weeker discussion. |
| 10:29 | s/weeker/weaker/ | |
| 10:29 | jransom | its impossible to please everyone; its the way it goes in a global project I guess |
| 10:30 | drojf | we had only 2 options for the meetings now. based on something, i suppose. so maybe 2 times that are switched from meeting to meeting would work better |
| 10:30 | jransom | at least moving it round shares the pain |
| 10:30 | drojf | that was badly worded |
| 10:30 | i mean, maybe we need only 2 zones because the third one is hardly used | |
| 10:31 | thd | drojf: Do you have any thoughts on alternating signle meeting times which avoid almost no attendance for choosing a poor time for anyone currently interested? |
| 10:33 | drojf | maybe we could get some kind of time frame at least for regulars to see what would be options that are actually frequented. but that does of course not help with new people being interested |
| 10:33 | (that may come from a different time zone/have a different time frame availabe) | |
| 10:35 | at least for europe i can say that this right now is a very good time during business hours. but it is only a good time if you want to join during business hours. which apparently most of france, norway, the netherlands did not want for some reason today :) for me the second meeting at 10pm is also an option, that may not be an option for others because its way after work. time zone alone does not say everything | |
| 10:35 | thd | drojf: The trouble is that the new people would never appear at times such as 02.00 UTC which were too early for Europe and Africa and too late for most of the Americas. |
| 10:36 | drojf: Encouraging attendance from every time zone could be a fine taks for the Koha communications manager. | |
| 10:36 | drojf | but did we have a lot of regulars at 2utc? |
| 10:37 | or, did we have any that could not join at the other times? | |
| 10:37 | i mean, there would always be the option of joining irc at any time you like and bring it up if it is a problem, but that is probably not something a new person would do. | |
| 10:38 | thd | drojf: 02.00 UTC was mostly unattended when people in California and British Columbia were uninterested in attending which was most of the time. |
| 10:39 | drojf: The continuity of meetings thus became disjoint as nothing could really happen at one out of three meetings. | |
| 10:39 | drojf | so that would be a good time to drop and keep the other two times alternating between meetings, i suppose |
| 10:40 | thd | drojf: gmcharlt had introduced two meeting times in a day as an alternative. |
| 10:40 | drojf | but do you think it works well? |
| 10:41 | thd | drojf: Yes, I think that we should exclude unpopular times for regulars because missing the unpopular times seemed to lead to a general disinterest in the meetings. |
| 10:42 | drojf: Two times does not work as well as one time which everyone would attend. | |
| 10:43 | drojf | alright, then we agree :) |
| 10:43 | thd | drojf: However, we have not been able to find one time which everyone would attend unless the issue on the agenda was of especially great importance to enough people. |
| 10:44 | drojf | then we need more important issues :P |
| 10:44 | thd | drojf: We certainly need important issues to sustain development meetings. |
| 10:45 | drojf: We should not want to create controversy in other meeting by scaring people into attending for some artificially created important reason. | |
| 10:46 | jransom | ok folks; nearly midnight here. im off to bed. |
| 10:46 | drojf | bye jransom |
| 10:46 | cait | bye jransom |
| 10:46 | drojf | thd: i will bring up the issue at the second part of the meeting if i am around |
| 10:46 | thd | drojf: Good night jransom 1.47 am here |
| 10:46 | cait | drojf: could you test Joubu's patch for the item bug maybe? :) |
| 10:47 | thd | drojf: Sadly, I am liable to be otherwise engaged at the time. |
| 10:47 | I have tried to attend all the meetings in all the time zones. | |
| 10:47 | drojf | cait: not now, leaving to get some things done. but i can tonight |
| 10:48 | cait: (if you remind me:) | |
| 10:49 | cait | hmpf :) |
| 10:49 | thd | s/1.47 am here/2.47 am here/ |
| 10:50 | * thd | runs off to finish some work while he is still awake. |
| 10:50 | drojf | gotta run. see you #koha |
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| 12:50 | nlegrand | hey #koha |
| 12:56 | tcohen | morning... |
| 12:56 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 12:56 | :) | |
| 12:57 | tcohen | hi cait |
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| 13:04 | eth0_ | Hi all, i can succesfully auth and open connection with yaz-client, i can find keyword too but when i'm make a "show 1" i have a [238] Record not available in requested syntax -- v2 addinfo '' |
| 13:04 | Any ideas ? | |
| 13:04 | wahanui | Any ideas are welcome :) |
| 13:08 | cait | i think maybe you need to tell yaz your expected return format |
| 13:08 | there might be some notes on the wiki about yaz... not sure | |
| 13:10 | eth0_ | I've 2 zebrasrv (marc21 & unimarc) i've this problem only with unimarc |
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| 13:32 | eth0_ | cait: do you mean "format umarc/unimarc" |
| 13:33 | I've already tried that | |
| 13:33 | i've also tried multiples init/update/commit | |
| 13:33 | cait | not sure then, sorry |
| 13:33 | eth0_ | And i've only this error with unimarc |
| 13:33 | cait | i've only used yaz once i think - i don't really remember :( |
| 13:33 | ah | |
| 13:34 | eth0_ | Seriously… z3950/iso2907/marc21/unimarc is totally bullshit |
| 13:35 | OPDS is a lil' bit greeter :) | |
| 13:35 | I really don't know why people still using that | |
| 13:35 | Anyway… | |
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| 13:40 | jcamins | eth0_: a sense of history. |
| 13:40 | eth0_: you need to do: form xml | |
| 13:40 | el [something] | |
| 13:41 | eth0_ | Could you be a little bit more verbose please ? |
| 13:41 | Oh! it works | |
| 13:42 | jcamins: Thanks :), How can i save this tips in config | |
| 13:48 | jcamins | eth0_: what do you mean? |
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| 13:48 | eth0_ | Is this settings saved if i restart the daemon ? |
| 13:48 | jcamins | Ah. No. |
| 13:48 | That's a client-side setting. | |
| 13:49 | There might be a way to change the defaults for yaz using a configuration file, but I've never tried. | |
| 13:49 | eth0_ | ok so client needs to autenticate then open the connection then form xml in order to have a reply |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 13:50 | eth0_ | Hum… ok, i'll be always suprised with z3950 |
| 13:51 | jcamins | And never pleasantly. |
| 13:52 | eth0_ | z3950 = Hell for sysadmin |
| 13:53 | Not a bug it's a feature | |
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| 14:09 | cait | wb tcohen |
| 14:16 | ashimema | tcohen.. your alive.. |
| 14:16 | :) | |
| 14:16 | tcohen | hi |
| 14:16 | wahanui | hola, tcohen |
| 14:16 | ashimema | hows the sprog |
| 14:16 | tcohen | i have my last work-related stuff in 30 minutes |
| 14:17 | after that, the sprog and Koha | |
| 14:17 | ashimema | coolios :) |
| 14:17 | I think there's a few peeps out here hoping to see some master pushes ;) | |
| 14:17 | 22nd is fast approaching :s | |
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| 14:30 | * cait | waves |
| 14:30 | cait | debugging_xslt-- |
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| 17:38 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 17:41 | rangi | ashimema can you take a look at the last patch on 13425 if you have a minute or 2 |
| 17:42 | * rangi | wanders off to feed kids |
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| 19:11 | rangi | and back again |
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| 19:27 | rangi | hi cait and drojf |
| 19:27 | cait | a christmas market in heavy rain just doesn't feel right |
| 19:27 | rangi | do i have a job for you guys :) |
| 19:28 | cait | do you? |
| 19:28 | and hello | |
| 19:28 | wahanui | niihau, cait |
| 19:28 | rangi | yep |
| 19:28 | can you take a look at the last patch on 13425 if you have a minute or 2 | |
| 19:28 | cait | bug 13425 |
| 19:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13425 is not accessible. |
| 19:28 | cait | oh |
| 19:28 | rangi | its a tiny little one, but it will finish that one off |
| 19:28 | cait | iwill try, but i think i have to find the warm socks first |
| 19:28 | rangi | fair enough ;) |
| 19:29 | it rained here last night too for our xmas party | |
| 19:29 | cait | but it didn't look as wet as the christmas market :) |
| 19:29 | rangi | we were under shelter |
| 19:30 | https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]45173757837324289 | |
| 19:32 | drojf | hi rangi and cait |
| 19:33 | i got an instant cold, might go to bed before the seconc part of the meeting :/ | |
| 19:33 | ibeardslee | 12:08? |
| 19:33 | drojf | *second |
| 19:34 | rangi | yeah, there were still quite a few people around then ibeardslee, id stopped drinking, went home about 1 |
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| 19:35 | rangi | the second meeting is in 30 mins? or 1.5 hours? |
| 19:35 | cait | drojf: i hope i don't get it - feet still frozen |
| 19:35 | 1.5 | |
| 19:35 | ibeardslee | Mike wasn't fibbing about the 'late licence' |
| 19:35 | rangi | ta |
| 19:36 | drojf | rangi: will take a look, but i am slow :) |
| 19:36 | * drojf | happens in slow motion :D |
| 19:37 | rangi | :) |
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| 19:55 | drojf | rangi: i applied only the 4th patch and still get the popup |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | z39.50 broken in latest master? |
| 19:59 | * druthb | is just gonna leave this here for bag: http://i.imgur.com/vm6Dql6.jpg |
| 20:01 | rangi | drojf: in the staff client eh? |
| 20:02 | drojf | rangi: yes |
| 20:02 | rangi | dang |
| 20:02 | ill retry | |
| 20:05 | ahh yeah its in 2 places missed one :( | |
| 20:08 | new patch now, sorry for mucking you around | |
| 20:12 | drojf | no worries, i am great at breaking things today, doing it with another patch atm :D |
| 20:12 | rangi | :) |
| 20:20 | drojf | rangi: still get the popup ^^ |
| 20:21 | rangi | weird |
| 20:21 | cait | german templates? |
| 20:21 | just suggesting it because it happened ot me before | |
| 20:21 | rangi | if you look at the source, can you spot where its unescaped? |
| 20:22 | oh and yeah, it will only work on en unless you reinstalled the language ;) | |
| 20:22 | drojf | cait: no, i checked that |
| 20:23 | weird | |
| 20:23 | cait: the item patch did not work. i did not forget to test :) | |
| 20:24 | cait | ah too bad :( |
| 20:24 | but thx for testing | |
| 20:25 | haven't read all the email yet | |
| 20:25 | drojf | rangi: hmm the file looks ok to me. i wonder if i am doing something wrong. and what that could be :) |
| 20:26 | rangi | hmm yeah its odd, unless there is another place other than the facets where its not escaped also |
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| 21:03 | BobB | hello |
| 21:04 | cbrannon | hello |
| 21:05 | * cait | waves |
| 21:05 | cait | i think it's meeting time,but not sure I am awake enough to chair |
| 21:05 | could someone else? | |
| 21:05 | cbrannon | This is my first time at a meeting. It won't be me. |
| 21:05 | BobB | :) |
| 21:06 | * BobB | waits for someone else to volunteer |
| 21:07 | BobB | and is deafened by the silence |
| 21:07 | cbrannon | This is fun. |
| 21:07 | :) | |
| 21:07 | BobB | cait would you like me to chair? |
| 21:07 | cait | cbrannon: it's not a typical meeting... |
| 21:07 | BobB: i'd be happy if you would | |
| 21:08 | BobB | #startmeeting |
| 21:08 | huginn | BobB: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 21:08 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 21:08 | i already had it that way, huginn. | |
| 21:08 | BobB | wahanui, want to chair? |
| 21:08 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, bobb |
| 21:08 | BobB | that's for sure |
| 21:08 | let me find the agenda first ... | |
| 21:09 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_17_December_2014 | |
| 21:09 | cait | BobB: you need to start the meeting again - with a name after the command |
| 21:09 | BobB | #startmeeting General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014 |
| 21:09 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Dec 17 21:09:58 2014 UTC. The chair is BobB. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:09 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:09 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:09 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__2_17_december_2014' |
| 21:10 | cait | right :) |
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| 21:10 | BobB | #topic Introductions |
| 21:10 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:10 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 21:10 | rangi | #info chris c, catalyst, sorta here |
| 21:10 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto BWS, USA |
| 21:10 | edveal | #info edveal BWS, USA |
| 21:10 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia |
| 21:10 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer BSZ - might fall asleep |
| 21:11 | cbrannon | #info Chrisopher Brannon, Coeur d'Alene, ID |
| 21:11 | jmsasse | #info Joel Sasse Plum Creek USA |
| 21:11 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 21:11 | rohdechris | Chris Rohde, Roseville, USA |
| 21:12 | BobB | hi all, any more? |
| 21:13 | #topic Announcements | |
| 21:13 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
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| 21:13 | BobB | #info This has been added to the agenda: |
| 21:13 | #info Please vote up this Library::Callnumber::LC bug which is related to these Koha callnumber symptoms. | |
| 21:14 | any comments? | |
| 21:14 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions |
| 21:14 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
| 21:14 | * barton | scrolls back and finds adgenda wiki link. |
| 21:14 | cait | I think the bug has been integrated now, so voting might no longer be necessary |
| 21:15 | BobB | cool, thx cait |
| 21:15 | any other announcements? | |
| 21:16 | #topic Update on Releases | |
| 21:16 | Topic for #koha is now Update on Releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:16 | BobB | Any Release Maintainers here? |
| 21:16 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
| 21:17 | rangi | i am |
| 21:17 | 3.18.x is in string freeze | |
| 21:17 | on course for an ontime release of 3.18.2 on the 22nd | |
| 21:17 | bag | I just added a section to the wiki page for the meeting “Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote “ |
| 21:17 | (sorry that is for later) | |
| 21:17 | BobB | ok bag, will come to that |
| 21:18 | rohdechris | #info Chris Rohde, Roseville, CA USA |
| 21:18 | BobB | I haven't read the minutes of today's first meeting ... |
| 21:18 | there may be info there about the releases | |
| 21:18 | drojf | nope |
| 21:18 | cait | none of the RMaints were around |
| 21:18 | drojf | we were about 5 people |
| 21:18 | BobB | ah ok |
| 21:18 | cait | I speculated the releases were still planned for 22nd :) |
| 21:19 | rangi | yep |
| 21:19 | mtj and fridolin have said in email they are releasing on the 22nd | |
| 21:19 | BobB | so rangi 3.18.1 was a Security Release? |
| 21:19 | rangi | yep so was 3.16.5 |
| 21:19 | 3.18.2 wont have much different to 3.18.1 | |
| 21:19 | but will have updated translations | |
| 21:19 | (dont get time do those for a security release) | |
| 21:20 | BobB | And 3.14 is still being maintained? |
| 21:20 | rangi | yes thats fridolin |
| 21:20 | but it wasnt vulnerable | |
| 21:20 | BobB | ok |
| 21:21 | #info Security releases of 3.16 and 3.18 have been made; 3.14 was not vulnerable | |
| 21:21 | #info afawk, we are on track for next releases on 22 Dec | |
| 21:21 | any more on Releases? | |
| 21:22 | Changing topic: | |
| 21:23 | #topic Road Map for Koha | |
| 21:23 | Topic for #koha is now Road Map for Koha (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:24 | BobB | Can anyone remember where we are up to on this? |
| 21:24 | cait | I think we discussed that the way it could be published mostly |
| 21:24 | at the first meeting | |
| 21:24 | wiki or website, linking them or summarizing | |
| 21:24 | not much about the content so far I think | |
| 21:24 | drojf: ? | |
| 21:25 | drojf | that is all i remember, yes |
| 21:25 | BobB | can anyone find the link to last meeting minutes (November)? |
| 21:25 | drojf | having it in the wiki, summarizing on the website |
| 21:26 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_19_November_2014 | |
| 21:26 | BobB | found it too, no actions, just ideas |
| 21:27 | IDEA: use the next meeting to have more discussion, past and future on the road map | |
| 21:27 | so, any further thoughts since? | |
| 21:27 | bag | We could throw some thoughts out now |
| 21:28 | BobB | yep |
| 21:28 | bag | Like I want to see the OPAC really take a step forward |
| 21:28 | So what am I going to do | |
| 21:29 | Starting with integratation of more Econtent into Koha OPAC ;) like gutenburg, overdrive, openlibrary etc etc - make it so that you can ingest all that into the search engine (and not via marc records) | |
| 21:29 | Also Elastic Search - lets get that in | |
| 21:29 | :D | |
| 21:29 | TGoat | Yea, we need elastic search |
| 21:30 | bag | or do I still have to wait to throw ideas out there - until the next general meeting? |
| 21:30 | cait | is there a plan to follow up on the pazpar2 patch ot integrate z39.50 searches? |
| 21:30 | sometimes you can't get the data itself, i liked the idea of that one :) | |
| 21:30 | or it's just too much data to include in your catalog | |
| 21:30 | bag | cait for now we’ve abandon that since pazpar2 wasn’t stable with the way we did it |
| 21:31 | basically pianohacker came back and said he’d like to rewrite pazpar2 (and I said we don’t have time for that | |
| 21:31 | BobB | hmm, too bad |
| 21:31 | bag | but anyone anywhere can pick that up |
| 21:32 | but I really feel that the OPAC needs the next jump up | |
| 21:32 | BobB | ok, so for the Road Map, the next steps would be ... |
| 21:32 | bag | RDF linked data - we should all be pushing for that |
| 21:32 | I think we need a spot to list ideas BobB | |
| 21:32 | someone create that spot and call to list ideas | |
| 21:32 | BobB | to create the wiki page and start to populate it with these great ideas |
| 21:33 | bag | then have someone curate it |
| 21:33 | BobB | so brainstorm possible contents, then have some discernment about what actually goes in, bag? |
| 21:34 | bag | cait I’d like to bring that Z3950 one back up - it’s just that pianohacker currently has such limited Koha time (because of school) |
| 21:34 | but maybe a little more time on it and we’d be able to do something different with it | |
| 21:34 | make it more stable | |
| 21:34 | cait | ok |
| 21:35 | BobB | bag I think you are suggesting a level of control on Road Map content that maybe won't be there always? |
| 21:35 | bag | could be or not - but someone to organize it |
| 21:36 | BobB | If the Road Map exists, can't anyone update it for their new ideas? |
| 21:36 | bag | so that way I’m not putting the same thing up there that rangi is (just using english versus new-zealand english) |
| 21:36 | everyone should be able to update it - I think someone should organize it | |
| 21:36 | ;) | |
| 21:36 | BobB | but sure a curator would be good to get rid of dead stuff and so on |
| 21:37 | Could that be the general Wiki Curator, if we get one? | |
| 21:37 | bag | yes please |
| 21:37 | BobB | ok, so why don't we create the Road Map page and get people to list stuff .... |
| 21:38 | there can then be discussions about the value or otherwise of what gets put forward | |
| 21:39 | any contrary thoughts? | |
| 21:39 | bag | +1 |
| 21:39 | rangi | +1 |
| 21:40 | cbrannon | +1 |
| 21:40 | BobB | those votes are in favour of creating the page? |
| 21:40 | jmsasse | +1 |
| 21:40 | cbrannon | yes |
| 21:40 | BobB | (I'll assume so unless someone speaks otherwise) |
| 21:41 | so continue voting pls | |
| 21:41 | drojf | +1 |
| 21:41 | rohdechris | +1 |
| 21:41 | edveal | +1 |
| 21:42 | TGoat | +1 |
| 21:42 | BobB | all done? |
| 21:42 | #agreed In accordance with discussion at the November meeting, a wiki page for a Koha Road Map should be created | |
| 21:42 | So is there a volunteer to do that? | |
| 21:43 | cbrannon | who knows wiki? |
| 21:44 | BobB | I'll ask Magnus, else I can do it, ok? |
| 21:44 | bag | works for me |
| 21:44 | BobB | #action BobB to find someone to create a Road Map wiki page, else do it himself |
| 21:44 | cbrannon | thank you |
| 21:45 | BobB | blah |
| 21:45 | next topic? | |
| 21:45 | wahanui | next topic is a tricky one... |
| 21:46 | BobB | #topic Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote |
| 21:46 | Topic for #koha is now Proposal for fund raising for Koha - to discuss/vote (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:46 | BobB | bag? |
| 21:46 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 21:46 | BobB | LOL |
| 21:46 | bag | I LOVE BASEBALL |
| 21:46 | ok here is most of it | |
| 21:46 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ng-td5821688.html | |
| 21:46 | BobB | what about fundraising? |
| 21:47 | bag | I’m just really looking for a — YES go for it - NO don’t do it |
| 21:47 | BobB | so is the question 'that the meeting endorses the discussion paper'? |
| 21:47 | bag | Right now we’ve got the HLT ready to be the place that can accept donations (NPO) |
| 21:47 | yes BobB that’s really the gist of it | |
| 21:48 | BobB | any questions folks? |
| 21:48 | or I'll take it to a vote | |
| 21:48 | rangi | my main thing is we should try to avoid people scope creeping it |
| 21:48 | bag | So YES do it - then I think me and some others (I need help). Will really have to write a full spec/proposal |
| 21:48 | rangi | lets start small |
| 21:48 | bag | and then come back to it |
| 21:48 | cait | +1 |
| 21:49 | jmsasse | +1 |
| 21:49 | rangi | and just a place to accept donations .. before we start adding a pile of complexity like targeting donations etc |
| 21:49 | BobB | rangi, you don't want a Mellon applicaton next week? |
| 21:49 | rangi | if its that then im +1 |
| 21:49 | bag | agreed |
| 21:49 | cbrannon | +1 |
| 21:49 | rangi | BobB: not if they get to tell the community how it has to be spent :) |
| 21:49 | BobB | ok hold those votes just a mo' |
| 21:49 | rangi | so |
| 21:49 | BobB | rangi: agreed |
| 21:50 | OK, the question is: | |
| 21:50 | rangi | +1 #for starting a small no strings attached donation/distribution idea |
| 21:50 | bag | I think first let’s get the structure in place (IE click here to donate)… |
| 21:50 | rangi | yep |
| 21:50 | drojf | +1 for full spec/proposal |
| 21:51 | bag | 2. pursue a few koha support companies for some monies |
| 21:51 | 3. use money for sign-offs from a non-support company person | |
| 21:51 | BobB | that is what your paper sets out bag, iirc |
| 21:52 | bag | build more structure after that - while working with the community |
| 21:52 | yes BobB | |
| 21:52 | ;) | |
| 21:52 | BobB | so we are saying one step at a time, then go for it |
| 21:52 | bag | ok I’m going to pull back for a bit and let you all talk (I’m not voting either) |
| 21:52 | rangi | yep |
| 21:53 | +1 for the paper/spec | |
| 21:53 | BobB | So I'll call for the vote: that the meeting endorses Brendan's paper on fund raising |
| 21:53 | Vote now please | |
| 21:53 | rangi | +1 |
| 21:53 | drojf | +1 |
| 21:53 | cbrannon | +1 |
| 21:54 | barton | +1 |
| 21:54 | jmsasse | +1 |
| 21:54 | rohdechris | +1 |
| 21:54 | BobB | all done? |
| 21:55 | #agreed The meeting endorsed the paper by Brendan on Fund Raising for the Koha project | |
| 21:55 | bag | sweet :D |
| 21:55 | BobB | #action bag to implement step 1 of the proposed strategy |
| 21:55 | OK? | |
| 21:55 | bag | hey Jo we have some work to bring back to the community ;) BobB you’re up too ;) |
| 21:56 | heh | |
| 21:56 | BobB | :) |
| 21:56 | done on that topic? | |
| 21:57 | I'm going to combine the next two topics | |
| 21:57 | #topic Wiki Curator and Communications Manager | |
| 21:57 | Topic for #koha is now Wiki Curator and Communications Manager (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 21:57 | BobB | right, but I'm sorry, the dog ate my homework |
| 21:58 | rangi | i think thd wrote a proposal |
| 21:58 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth | |
| 21:58 | but no bites for coms | |
| 21:59 | drojf | there is also some kind of objection in the discussion http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 21:59 | BobB | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 21:59 | bag | hmm no bits for coms :( can we try for one more month? |
| 21:59 | rangi | i think would need to send a new email |
| 22:00 | drojf | (that was most of this mornings meeting) |
| 22:00 | or, like, first part of the meeting, not necessarily morning for you ^^ | |
| 22:00 | BobB | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]20_Thomas_Dukleth |
| 22:00 | (just getting those links into the minutes) | |
| 22:01 | ok, I think from the Nov. meeting I had actions about advertising those roles,, let me check | |
| 22:02 | bag | BobB: I just asked nengard_afk to do a blast to our partners |
| 22:02 | BobB | confirmed |
| 22:02 | cbrannon | yes, that is correct |
| 22:03 | BobB | well, if the role is controversial, its just as well I haven't done that |
| 22:03 | bag | hmm MRenvoize comments don’t seem that bad to me - perhaps we should give sometime for thd to comment back? I move to not vote on this at this time |
| 22:03 | BobB | sounds right bag |
| 22:04 | I propose we defer this till next meeting, to allow the discussion to progress | |
| 22:04 | bag | and perhaps some more volunteers |
| 22:04 | drojf | they (and all of us) agreed to a group approach for the wiki. that is as far as we could get |
| 22:04 | rangi | i do think it needs an upgrade and get back to stock, then figure out what extensions we need, i agree with ashimema there |
| 22:05 | drojf | as for the technical side… i think we should … yep what rangi says ^^ |
| 22:06 | BobB | I am suggesting the January meeting could make that decision, then we advertise |
| 22:06 | cait | yeah agreeing with rangi |
| 22:06 | i think simplifying, getting back to stock, would help us maintaining long term | |
| 22:07 | BobB | ok, I am at a disadvantage here, as I've not read either submission |
| 22:07 | does someone want to propose a motion? | |
| 22:07 | bag | can we vote on upgrade now? OR do we not have anyone that could do the upgrade? |
| 22:08 | I see two BobB | |
| 22:08 | rangi | i dont think we have anyone who has the time to do it at the moment |
| 22:08 | drojf | as far as i understood upgrading as it is is rather complicated |
| 22:08 | bag | 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now (re advertise) |
| 22:08 | drojf | as in takes time |
| 22:08 | bag | 2 - upgrade now - but who does it? |
| 22:10 | BobB | bag,clarifying motion 1: you say re-advertise, but it hasn't been advertised yet? |
| 22:10 | bag | ok take out the RE part |
| 22:10 | ;) | |
| 22:10 | BobB | I think Thomas is interested, but he was in the discussion in Nov |
| 22:10 | rangi | i thought there was an email |
| 22:10 | but i might be wrong | |
| 22:10 | bag | I think cbrannon said there was an email |
| 22:11 | BobB | not from me, and I had carriage from the last meeting |
| 22:11 | bag | cbrannon: if you have the subject of the email we can find it in nabble |
| 22:11 | cbrannon | @bag: that was something else |
| 22:11 | huginn | cbrannon: I suck |
| 22:11 | rangi | http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]p.misc.koha/36732 |
| 22:12 | BobB | #link http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]p.misc.koha/36732 |
| 22:12 | that wasn't meant to be an advert, at the time | |
| 22:13 | ok, so this does not become too long tonight: | |
| 22:14 | bag | BobB: can you advertise this? |
| 22:14 | BobB | I propose an amendment to bag's first motion: |
| 22:14 | 1 - move vote/more discussion to next meeting and Ask for more volunteers now: then advertise the role on the mailing list | |
| 22:15 | cbrannon | +1 |
| 22:15 | BobB | Pls vote (+1 or -1) |
| 22:15 | bag | +1 |
| 22:15 | rohdechris | +1 |
| 22:16 | rangi | +1 |
| 22:16 | BobB | any more? |
| 22:16 | drojf | +1 |
| 22:17 | BobB | #agreed To move discussion of wiki curation to next meeting and to call for volunteers now |
| 22:17 | by the 'role' we're talking about a coordinator of a team of volunteers | |
| 22:18 | so we're saying ask volunteers to come forward, | |
| 22:18 | and we'll sort out who the coordinator will be and exactly what the role is at/after the next meeting | |
| 22:18 | Done? | |
| 22:19 | rangi | i think so |
| 22:19 | cbrannon | yes |
| 22:19 | BobB | Re the Comms Manager, I want to liaise with the newsletter editors to make sure they understand they are not being made redundant ... |
| 22:20 | rangi | yeah good idea |
| 22:20 | BobB | before that role is advertised, so can we kick that to January meeting also? |
| 22:20 | rangi | sounds good |
| 22:21 | BobB | #action BobB to prepare ground for decisions to be taken in January re wiki curation and Comms Manager |
| 22:21 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:21 | BobB | #topic KohaCon15 |
| 22:21 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 22:21 | BobB | I think Olug is not here? |
| 22:22 | any updates anyone? | |
| 22:22 | rangi | yep |
| 22:22 | they are working on the costings of food/lodging etc and will update us all when they know | |
| 22:22 | they are already getting lots of nigerian librarians asking when can they register | |
| 22:23 | so things sound on track | |
| 22:23 | BobB | thanks rangi |
| 22:23 | drojf | nice |
| 22:24 | BobB | #topic Actions from Nov meeting |
| 22:24 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from Nov meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 22:25 | BobB | can someone check the minutes of meeting #1 in Nov? |
| 22:25 | there was only one action from meeting #2 and we've dealt with it | |
| 22:26 | rangi | BobB will email the mailing list about the new roles |
| 22:26 | thats the only one from meeting 1 | |
| 22:26 | adding a note/link to the kc website about kohacon15 | |
| 22:26 | BobB | and we've dealt with that |
| 22:26 | rangi | is the only other one |
| 22:27 | BobB | Is that one done, re Koha Con? |
| 22:27 | rangi | i think so |
| 22:27 | BobB | cool, thx |
| 22:27 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon15/ |
| 22:27 | yes | |
| 22:27 | BobB | #topic Next Meeting |
| 22:27 | Topic for #koha is now Next Meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting #2 17 December 2014) | |
| 22:28 | drojf | it seems that splitting the meeting does not work very well |
| 22:28 | the first meeting is kind of a lesser one, with lots of "well we have to see about the second meeting", second meeting attendees don't read the minutes of the first | |
| 22:29 | and strange people like myself end up having the meeting twice | |
| 22:29 | rangi | yeah i think maybe going back to rotating the time might be better |
| 22:30 | drojf | +1 for rotating, maybe leaving out the 3rd "evil" time that did not attract many people |
| 22:30 | BobB | the idea was to enable more people to attend, but the benefit is maybe marginal |
| 22:30 | bag | I agree with that |
| 22:30 | drojf | i think 2utc |
| 22:30 | bag | +1 for rotating |
| 22:30 | BobB | ok hold on, let me put the question |
| 22:31 | Does the meeting agree to revert to rotating times and to have only one meeting per month? | |
| 22:31 | Vote now pls | |
| 22:31 | drojf | +1 |
| 22:31 | rangi | +1 |
| 22:31 | jmsasse | +1 |
| 22:32 | tcohen | +1 |
| 22:32 | BobB | any more? |
| 22:33 | #agreed There will be only one meeting per month: times will be rotated to promote best possible attendance | |
| 22:33 | so is January 14th too soon for next meeting? | |
| 22:34 | Jan 21 is near a release date | |
| 22:34 | tcohen | 14th is fine |
| 22:34 | drojf | +1 for 14th |
| 22:34 | BobB | who wants to suggest the time? |
| 22:34 | bag | +1 |
| 22:35 | tcohen | + |
| 22:35 | rangi | how about 20UTC ? |
| 22:35 | actually | |
| 22:35 | 10UTC | |
| 22:36 | BobB | Vote please on next meeting is January 14th at 10 UTC |
| 22:36 | rangi | hmm that might be too late for the americans, i dunno |
| 22:36 | * bag | checking timesw |
| 22:36 | tcohen | you mean 10 P;¡ |
| 22:36 | PM? | |
| 22:36 | BobB | hold the vote please while bag checks |
| 22:36 | tcohen the proposal is 10 UTC | |
| 22:37 | drojf | http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20150114T10 |
| 22:37 | BobB | it'll be a civilised after dinner time for me |
| 22:37 | bag | yeah it’s a bit early but that’s cool I love getting up early :) and the ginny pie can join me |
| 22:38 | tcohen | thanks drojf |
| 22:38 | I think I can get up that early once a month | |
| 22:38 | cbrannon | -1 |
| 22:38 | tcohen | :-D |
| 22:38 | BobB | No objections? Then the proposal is 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC |
| 22:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13362: translate script creates dirs on update <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4aaaeee201a61f595> / Bug 13375: Syspref search highlight styling broken in Chrome <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]96ae9936240c46e41> / BUG 13468: Overdue notice lists all checked out books <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko |
| 22:38 | BobB | Vote no w please |
| 22:38 | rangi | +1 |
| 22:38 | tcohen | +1 |
| 22:38 | cbrannon | -1 |
| 22:39 | drojf | +1 |
| 22:39 | BobB | #agreed The next meeting will be held on 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC |
| 22:39 | tcohen | where do u live cbrannon ? |
| 22:39 | bag | -1 |
| 22:39 | BobB | anything else? |
| 22:39 | cbrannon | North Idaho. That's 2am for me. |
| 22:39 | bag | but just cause I say no - doesn’t mean it’s not possible ;) |
| 22:40 | heh | |
| 22:40 | rohdechris | would Feb meeting be at a better PST time? |
| 22:40 | BobB | oh dear, any motion for recission of that last agreement? |
| 22:40 | rangi | rohdechris: yeah we rotate it |
| 22:41 | BobB | It is of course not possible to ahve a time convenient world wide |
| 22:41 | rangi | the next one most likely around 18UTC |
| 22:41 | in feb | |
| 22:41 | cbrannon | perhaps if we all syncronized our clocks to one time? ;) |
| 22:41 | BobB | If there is no motion for recission I will close the meeting |
| 22:42 | rohdechris | that makes feb 10 am PST--sounds fair to me |
| 22:42 | BobB | #endmeeting |
| 22:42 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 17 Dec. at 9UTC and 21UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 22:42 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Dec 17 22:42:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:42 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-17-21.09.html | |
| 22:42 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-12-17-21.09.txt | |
| 22:42 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]17-21.09.log.html | |
| 22:42 | BobB | cait are you awake? :) |
| 22:43 | rohdechris left #koha | |
| 22:44 | BobB | ok that was a bit long but we got there |
| 22:44 | thanks everyone | |
| 22:44 | rangi | thanks BobB |
| 22:45 | tcohen | thanks BobB |
| 22:50 | jmsasse | thanks BobB |
| 22:50 | BobB | hey jmsasse, all good up your way? |
| 22:50 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:53 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 22:59 | tcohen | hi BobB |
| 22:59 | BobB | hi tcohen :) |
| 23:09 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13368 Holds priority messed up on checkout <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]81e447f6bb2955029> / Bug 13410 [QA Followup] <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cfe53b8f32e6d623a> / Bug 13410 - Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git; |
| 23:29 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13449 - Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75c4e6a0ee298d334> / Bug 13400 [QA Followup] - Fix tabs and quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]22e21d9878786fd51> / Bug 13400: Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" <http://git.koha-community.org | |
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