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| 00:09 | rangi | !jenkins_koha status |
| 00:09 | jenkins_koha | rangi did you mean me? Unknown command '_koha' |
| 00:09 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 00:09 | rangi | !jenkins status |
| 00:09 | jenkins_koha | status of all projects: |
| 00:09 | Koha Docs 3.16.x: last build: 5 (1 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]0Docs%203.16.x/5/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.10.x: last build: 189 (10 mo ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/189/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.12.x(disabled) : last build: 1156 (5 mo 27 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.12.x/1156/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.12.x_D6: last build: 12 (2 mo 0 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.12.x_D6/12/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.12.x_D7: last build: 10 (2 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.12.x_D7/10/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.12.x_U12: last build: 12 (2 mo 2 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.12.x_U12/12/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.12.x_U14: last build: 13 (2 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.12.x_U14/13/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.14.x(disabled) : last build: 92 (6 mo 1 day ago): UNSTABLE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/92/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.14.x_D6: last build: 48 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.14.x_D6/48/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.14.x_D7: last build: 54 (2 days 7 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.14.x_D7/54/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.14.x_U12: last build: 52 (2 days 6 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.14.x_U12/52/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.14.x_U14: last build: 55 (2 days 7 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.14.x_U14/55/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.16.x(disabled) : last build: 771 (6 mo 2 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.16.x/771/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.16.x_D6: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_D6/30/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.16.x_D7: last build: 30 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.16.x_D7/30/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.16.x_U12: last build: 31 (6 days 11 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U12/31/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.16.x_U14: last build: 33 (6 days 11 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U14/33/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.18.x_D6(in queue) : last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D6/6/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.18.x_D7(in queue) : last build: 9 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_3.18.x_D7/9/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.18.x_U12: last build: 1 (16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U12/1/ | |
| 00:09 | rangi | yeah remind me not to do that again |
| 00:09 | jenkins_koha | Koha_3.18.x_U14: last build: 6 (7 days 23 hr ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_U14/6/ |
| 00:09 | Koha_3.8.x: last build: 368 (7 mo 16 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/368/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Docs: last build: 585 (14 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/585/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Docs_3.10.x: last build: 76 (9 mo 3 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/76/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Docs_3.12.x: last build: 66 (3 mo 28 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/66/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Docs_3.14.x: last build: 87 (1 mo 4 days ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/87/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Docs_3.8.x: last build: 44 (1 yr 3 mo ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/44/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_master(disabled) : last build: 1931 (5 mo 27 days ago): ABORTED: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1931/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_D6(BUILDING: 3 min 54 sec and counting): last build: 253 (49 min ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D6/253/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_D7(BUILDING: 41 min and counting): last build: 270 (1 hr 24 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/270/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_U12(BUILDING: 28 min and counting): last build: 273 (1 hr 29 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U12/273/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB(BUILDING: 26 min and counting): last build: 199 (1 hr 30 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/199/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_U14(BUILDING: 40 min and counting): last build: 259 (1 hr 27 min ago): SUCCESS: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Master_U14/259/ | |
| 00:09 | Koha_Master_Webserver_Test: last build: 1 (4 days 23 hr ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Webserver_Test/1/ | |
| 00:09 | master_maria(disabled) : last build: 805 (4 mo 7 days ago): FAILURE: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/805/ | |
| 00:10 | rangi | hmm i wonder why jenkins is being so quiet on job builds |
| 00:10 | * rangi | goes to look |
| 00:12 | rangi | ahh its set to only notify on failure, or on fix |
| 00:12 | so if it builds fine, its silent | |
| 00:15 | tcohen | wizzyrea: around? |
| 00:15 | rangi | shes at lunch |
| 00:15 | tcohen | rangi: thanks |
| 00:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #7 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 00:24 | wizzyrea | hi tcohen :) |
| 00:24 | tcohen | hi :-D |
| 00:25 | i attached a followup to a bug of yours | |
| 00:25 | wizzyrea | oh neat which? |
| 00:25 | I suppose it probably turned up in bug mail... | |
| 00:25 | tcohen | "for the sake of usability" on z39.50 |
| 00:25 | or something like that | |
| 00:25 | =D | |
| 00:25 | was about to push it, really | |
| 00:26 | along with yours, just wanted to check with the author | |
| 00:26 | wizzyrea | yeah, I agree with that |
| 00:26 | :) | |
| 00:26 | I'll note it | |
| 00:27 | oh also what's this "search items" thing we've got now in the staff client | |
| 00:27 | 1. oh hey that's cool, 2. bah it doesn't seem to work? | |
| 00:27 | also the add items screen - is it just me or has it gone a bit mad? | |
| 00:28 | rangi | http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]?biblionumber=649 <-- that screen? (user:staff pass:staff1) |
| 00:29 | looks like a missing div or /div or something | |
| 00:29 | wizzyrea | yeah |
| 00:29 | well the fields too | |
| 00:29 | oh no it's only when you've used teh fast add framework maybe? | |
| 00:29 | that must be it. | |
| 00:30 | http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]iblionumber=30647 > rangi | |
| 00:30 | these two screens are different. | |
| 00:31 | ^ that one with the FA framework | |
| 00:31 | rangi | yeah it's to do with the framework |
| 00:31 | FA has a ton of fields for the item | |
| 00:32 | wizzyrea | I would ask why but I suspect it's a 123 |
| 00:32 | rangi | its mostly actually to do with the fact that that item has a lot more info defined |
| 00:32 | than 649 | |
| 00:32 | if i add more info to 649 | |
| 00:38 | dcook | What looks weird at demo-intra...? |
| 00:38 | Whoa... I see.. yeah that 30647 does look weird.. | |
| 00:39 | m - Koha renewals? | |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | yeah I need one with a clean DB I think. |
| 00:39 | to see if FA really does that | |
| 00:39 | if it does OMG THAT IS SO DUMB (caps intentional, and deserved.) | |
| 00:39 | dcook | That's some weird Koha to MARC mapping... |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | I know, let's make a fast add that actually has MORE stuff! |
| 00:40 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | sorry I"ll stop raging soon I promise. |
| 00:40 | :) | |
| 00:40 | to be fair it might be that DB | |
| 00:41 | dcook | Certainly looks like a DB config thing |
| 00:42 | wizzyrea | naw i'm told that they've been mapped forever, but are normally hidden. I just need to nuke that fw and install the default fast add ;) |
| 00:43 | but not today. | |
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| 01:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_U12_MariaDB build #200: FAILURE in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_U12_MariaDB/200/ |
| 01:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83 web.de: Bug 11706: Typo fix for "efault" in old database update |
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| 01:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83web.de: Bug 10051: Separate first name and surname with comma in overdues report |
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| 01:00 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13355: System preferences tab value wrong in templates | |
| 01:00 | * Mason James: fix for 13331 [Bug 13331] Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks | |
| 01:00 | * Marc Veron: Bug 13410 - Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" | |
| 01:00 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13410 [QA Followup] | |
| 01:00 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 13368 Holds priority messed up on checkout | |
| 01:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11706 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Typo "efault" in updatedatabase.pl |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10051 trivial, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , surname and first name should have comma in overdues report | |
| 01:00 | jenkins_koha | * Alexander Cheeseman: bug 13460: suggestion.tt now uses Price plugin |
| 01:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83web.de: Bug 12059: Publisher column on invoice page always empty |
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| 01:00 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12059: Prefer to list fields in the query | |
| 01:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83web.de: Bug 12084: Format planned date in publication details on detail page |
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| 01:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13355 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , System preferences tab value wrong in templates |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13331 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Subfield does not show in cataloging editor - if subfield is disabled in OPAC/enabled in Staff, via frameworks | |
| 01:00 | jenkins_koha | * Marc Veron: Bug 13400: Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" |
| 01:00 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13400 [QA Followup] - Fix tabs and quotes | |
| 01:00 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13449 - Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases | |
| 01:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13410 trivial, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Change messaging preferences to default for this category?" |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13368 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Checking out an item not on loan, but with a hold, busts the holds priority | |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13460 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Use price template toolkit plugin across all of intranet | |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12059 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Publisher code always empty on invoice | |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12084 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Published date for serial items not formatted according to dateformat system preference | |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13400 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable "Are you sure you want to delete this authority?" | |
| 01:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13449 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Syndetics TOC will not display in some cases | |
| 01:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #8 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 01:19 | wizzyrea | aleisha++ that's a great one to sign off. |
| 01:35 | eythian | http://blog.spark.io/2014/12/1[…]word-for-hobbits/ |
| 01:39 | rangi | heh |
| 01:39 | should get that for nate | |
| 01:39 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | heheh |
| 01:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | confetti |
| 01:58 | wahanui | confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 01:58 | * wizzyrea | just wanted to see that gif |
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| 04:45 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 05:20 | dcook | "Checking the box right next the label will disable the entry and delete the values of that field on all selected patrons" |
| 05:20 | You see... I read that... but I thought it was still necessary to check the box and enter a value... | |
| 05:20 | Nope O_O | |
| 05:20 | * dcook | is glad the nuke can be undid |
| 05:25 | eythian | A nice thing to do would be have the text box disabled if the checkbox is checked, and visa-versa. Also to perhaps highlight the "delete" part if it is checked. |
| 05:25 | I feel that that explanation text is too wordy to be easily understood. | |
| 05:27 | * dcook | agrees |
| 05:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #11 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 06:02 | ashimema_ | morning |
| 06:02 | eythian | ashimema_: hello |
| 06:03 | dcook | yo ashimema_ |
| 06:03 | * ashimema_ | could do with some more sleep |
| 06:03 | * dcook | hears that |
| 06:04 | ashimema_ | /me's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night |
| 06:04 | * ashimema_ | 's brain wouldn't stop working out dbic queries last night |
| 06:04 | ashimema_ | hmm |
| 06:04 | anywho.. | |
| 06:04 | eythian | sounds like nightmares |
| 06:04 | ashimema_ | how are the two of you? |
| 06:04 | eythian | sleepy |
| 06:04 | ashimema_ | yup... |
| 06:05 | I woke up at 4am and have been coding ever since.. | |
| 06:05 | I have no idea what time it would be over there | |
| 06:05 | eythian | 7pm |
| 06:07 | ashimema_ | beeing sleepy that early is bad ;) |
| 06:07 | eythian | oh, yesterday was our xmas party. I may have had a late one :) |
| 06:07 | ashimema_ | So.. as I've caught you awake, may I quiz you with regard to data migration workflows eythian? |
| 06:07 | eythian | sure |
| 06:07 | ashimema_ | haha.. I see.. |
| 06:08 | I'm mostly interested in the 'where' in the equation.. | |
| 06:08 | i.e. where you carry out your data manipulation and then loading. | |
| 06:09 | we're moving to using multi-tenant packages for live and I'm getting grief from our migrations guy as he's always had live systems running dev installs to play with before.. | |
| 06:09 | so he just did everything in place.. | |
| 06:09 | but on a multi-tenant live system with packages.. that approach scares the liing daylights out of me. | |
| 06:10 | eythian | hmm, so I do most of the stuff on my desktop, but when I have something to show someone, we put it on a test server. |
| 06:10 | ashimema_ | and then to progress to live? |
| 06:10 | eythian | sometimes we do it on the to-be-prod system if they're the only one on there, but I don't really like doing it on ones that are in prod use by other people. |
| 06:10 | it feels dangerous | |
| 06:11 | ashimema_ | yeah.. that's my thoughts too. |
| 06:11 | eythian | often we do a database dump from the test server and just load that into live. |
| 06:11 | dcook | DBIC queries are good times... |
| 06:11 | * dcook | is still looking at scrollback |
| 06:11 | ashimema_ | I'm thinking.. Set up a dev type install for him for each new customer.. let him work as he always has.. then upon go live, migrate the db across |
| 06:12 | eythian | There's a handy little thing with that that prevents accidents (i.e. the commit will abort if you try to put it into the wrong database if you cat the SQL into koha-mysql |
| 06:12 | ) | |
| 06:12 | ashimema_ | k.. so your pretty much along the same lines as me.. |
| 06:12 | ooh.. that's a nice idea | |
| 06:12 | eythian | assuming you do the dump so that it has 'use database_name' at the top, and your database names between testing and prod match. |
| 06:12 | ashimema_ | i was probably just thinking a normal db restore.. but your trick seems safer :) |
| 06:13 | that's the aim, yeah | |
| 06:13 | eythian | yeah, just the SQL dumps. |
| 06:13 | Many of our clients have a test system that we provide for them as well, so it's easy enough to do it there. | |
| 06:13 | ashimema_ | are you running many multi-tenant servers? |
| 06:14 | eythian | most of our hosted clients are on multitenant servers |
| 06:14 | ashimema_ | I think it's the multi-tenant bit that he's most pushing against.. |
| 06:14 | cool | |
| 06:14 | eythian | (but most of our servers are single tenant, because that's how maths works :) |
| 06:14 | ashimema_ | that's where I'de like to be.. |
| 06:15 | oh, I see.. | |
| 06:15 | I've got an NHS cluster going.. one multi-tenant server with 5 koha's.. | |
| 06:15 | and an accademic cluster with a further 3 koha's | |
| 06:16 | but thus far everyone else is still dev installs on thier own vm each | |
| 06:16 | which is less than efficient. | |
| 06:16 | aim is to migrate them across one by one when I get the time | |
| 06:16 | eythian | ah yep |
| 06:16 | dcook | eythian: that's how maths works? |
| 06:17 | eythian | dcook: if you have 5 on server A, 5 on server B, and 1 each on servers X, Y, Z, then most clients are on few servers, but more servers are single tenant. |
| 06:17 | ashimema_ | they don't actually have many hosted koha customers at catalyst dcook.. |
| 06:17 | that's my understanding | |
| 06:17 | eythian | we don't have heaps, but we do have a few. Probably more since you last asked :) |
| 06:17 | ashimema_ | that's nice to hear.. |
| 06:18 | rangi really sruprised me with the numbers last time I spoke to him.. | |
| 06:18 | for such big players, you seemed to have very few hosted customers | |
| 06:18 | dcook | eythian: Ahh, I getcha now. Crafty :p. |
| 06:18 | eythian | looks like 13 hosted, one more to go live early next year. |
| 06:19 | ashimema_ | cool.. that's great news.. |
| 06:19 | dcook | eythian: Does that mean you remotely deploy or...? |
| 06:19 | ashimema_ | our numbers scare me.. regarding supporting loads of seperate servers |
| 06:19 | eythian | dcook: what do you mean? |
| 06:19 | ashimema_: yeah, that can get hard work fast unless you're really good about using something like puppet. | |
| 06:19 | dcook | eythian: Maybe I'm not following y ou. 13 hosted clients or 13 servers for hosting? |
| 06:20 | eythian | dcook: 13 libraries we host. |
| 06:20 | dcook | And what about the ones you dont' host? |
| 06:20 | eythian | similarish again |
| 06:20 | dcook | Similarish? |
| 06:20 | eythian | those have varying levels of support, depending on what they need/want. |
| 06:20 | roughly the same number. | |
| 06:21 | dcook | But they're all self-hosted or hosted elsewhere or whatever, yeah? |
| 06:21 | So 26? | |
| 06:21 | Hmm | |
| 06:21 | I'm surprised by those numbers too, ashimema_ | |
| 06:21 | eythian | yeah, hosted on their infrastructure. |
| 06:21 | typically we VPN/SSH in to do things for them. | |
| 06:21 | dcook | Neato burrito |
| 06:21 | (to quote my younger sister) | |
| 06:22 | ashimema_ | I hate it when customers decide they want to self host |
| 06:22 | dcook | I think the vast majority of ours are hosted |
| 06:23 | hehe | |
| 06:23 | Actually, I think... all but one of ours are hosted | |
| 06:23 | eythian | it is a bit annoying, it means our sysadmins can't manage the server updates etc. |
| 06:23 | ashimema_ | we actually charge the same or less for hosting it now as we do to support a cpy they host themselves |
| 06:23 | eythian | the ones that host themselves tend to be lower maintenance. |
| 06:23 | ashimema_ | I'd say 98% of our customers are now hosted.. |
| 06:24 | dcook | eythian: Yeah, the self-hosted one is really low maintenance |
| 06:24 | I think we just have one.. | |
| 06:24 | ashimema_ | yeah, we use salt-stack (like puppet and chef) for server management.. but it's not exactly all that well advanced yet.. |
| 06:24 | dcook | A few with dedicated servers and lots are multitenant |
| 06:24 | ashimema_: neato. I was thinking of looking at that one | |
| 06:24 | ashimema_ | we grew very organically so it's been a ission to centralise server management after the fact |
| 06:24 | you use multitenant allot dcook.. | |
| 06:24 | cool | |
| 06:25 | eythian | yeah, we have similar issues, I'd really like to do something about that. |
| 06:25 | ashimema_ | do you follow similar migration steps as eythian? |
| 06:25 | dcook | ashimema_: Good question. I was just wondering about that |
| 06:25 | eythian | one of these days I'll build a magic system that gives us autoscaling in openstack, but it's a fair bit of work. |
| 06:25 | ashimema_ | haha.. indeed |
| 06:26 | dcook | Yeah, I'm slowly moving us towards more magic |
| 06:26 | Slowly but surely | |
| 06:26 | Well, robust magic | |
| 06:26 | There is always a bit of magic | |
| 06:26 | ashimema_ | It's really hard getting people to update their personal workflows.. |
| 06:26 | dcook | more robust* |
| 06:26 | So true | |
| 06:26 | * dcook | has worked hard on that one |
| 06:26 | dcook | As for migration... |
| 06:26 | ashimema_ | I need good hard evidence of why our migrations guy should start doing them differently.. |
| 06:26 | dcook | I suppose my boss handles all the migrations |
| 06:27 | So more of the coarse work | |
| 06:27 | While as I tend to do more work with finesse | |
| 06:27 | ashimema_ | the annoyance is to do it his old way we'de have to stick with a server per cusotmer which is expensive (both in terms of money and everyone elses time) |
| 06:27 | dcook | Like... working out the last few details |
| 06:27 | We have special setups for migrations and testing | |
| 06:28 | ashimema_ | I'd like to go along the lines of temporary test servers for the migration grunt.. then when ready for live migrate the database onto the live multi-tenant |
| 06:28 | dcook | I point my dev install at the branch I need, throw in a DB, and then work |
| 06:29 | ashimema_ | and blow away the temp server (after backing up of course) |
| 06:29 | yeah.. me too dcook | |
| 06:29 | eythian | dcook: that's how I do dev stuff too |
| 06:29 | dcook | Mmm, we do have a line of backup servers which we sometimes use for things too |
| 06:29 | Like if a client is already live but needs to migrate some new data | |
| 06:30 | eythian | oh yeah, we've got one of those coming up soon. |
| 06:30 | dcook | We still have the backup of the database, but we swap the prod DB into the "live" backup |
| 06:30 | So they can trouble shoot it | |
| 06:30 | ashimema_ | that's the case in point that my collegue is using to push back hard on.. 'but what fi they decide at future date x that they want more data migrating... I wan't all my work to just be there and workign for me already' |
| 06:31 | dcook | I think a temporary system would be fine in that scenario |
| 06:31 | Or not temporary.. but not dedicated | |
| 06:31 | ashimema_ | me too |
| 06:31 | dcook | We sometimes use generic instances to load migration data and have clients look at that |
| 06:31 | ashimema_ | I should script this.. the creation of a system part at least. |
| 06:31 | dcook | It's the same code and the same DB |
| 06:32 | ashimema_: should be easy enough :) | |
| 06:32 | Ah, but we don't use packages | |
| 06:32 | We use OpenSuse, so I've rigged up my own scripts | |
| 06:32 | ashimema_ | eythian,dcook.. how do you go about testing stuff that has to be tested on the live server before the live day then? |
| 06:32 | dcook | One of these days I'll learn how to package RPMs for Suse... |
| 06:32 | ashimema_ | for instance sip connections |
| 06:32 | eythian | well, if we need to do more work on their data, we copy the prod DB into test and do it there, you need current data anyway. |
| 06:33 | ashimema_: it's hopefully all good on the testing server | |
| 06:33 | but if need be, then we do it on the prod server. | |
| 06:33 | dcook | Alas, haven't had much experience with SIP so not sure about that one |
| 06:33 | eythian | it's nicer if you can not do that though. |
| 06:33 | dcook | Yeah, I suppose if you needed to do it on prod, you could always just make an adjacent instance... and then maybe tweak as necessary |
| 06:33 | We don't have heaps of people using SIP though | |
| 06:34 | And the ones that do often have dedicated servers, iirc | |
| 06:34 | ashimema_ | yeah.. unfortunately most of our customers use sip self-checks and most demand that we check a few connections from the live server work before go live day |
| 06:34 | eythian | we have a few, it's reasonably straightforward. |
| 06:34 | dcook | Yeah, I'd probably just test it on prod then |
| 06:35 | ashimema_ | just trying to think of anything else to ask whilst i've got you both ;) |
| 06:35 | dcook | Haha, I am thinking of running out in a minute |
| 06:35 | ashimema_ | do you add any custom background scripts to your multi-tenant live servers? |
| 06:35 | dcook | Oh man... we have custom scripts coming out of everywhere |
| 06:35 | ashimema_ | for instance a background job to sync user data with a customers local registry |
| 06:35 | * dcook | actually did some tidying up today in fact.. |
| 06:35 | dcook | Ah, stuff like that |
| 06:35 | Mmm | |
| 06:35 | eythian | we don't |
| 06:36 | dcook | A bit |
| 06:36 | Sometimes for integrating DSpace and Koha | |
| 06:36 | Or... shipping stuff off to Ebsco | |
| 06:36 | ashimema_ | I would like to standardise ours and stick it back in community. |
| 06:36 | eythian | there's one system (that we don't host) that automatically moves prod data to their own testing server, but that's not very complicated. |
| 06:36 | ashimema_ | but there will always be extra bits.. as you say like ebsco exports |
| 06:36 | dcook | Yeah, and Ebsco can be a bit fiddly |
| 06:36 | eythian | hmm, we might have something for ebsco, I'm not actually sure. |
| 06:36 | dcook | We have a few others I think |
| 06:36 | Depending on what the client needs | |
| 06:37 | ashimema_ | we have shed loads of custom scripts and customizations in general.. |
| 06:37 | I'm desperately trying to ween us off them all | |
| 06:37 | dcook | \o/ |
| 06:37 | I think we only have... | |
| 06:38 | * dcook | checks |
| 06:38 | dcook | Roughly 126 customizations to Koha |
| 06:38 | A few of those are waiting for sign offs | |
| 06:38 | It's actually not a bad number... when I first started here I think it was around 230 | |
| 06:38 | I've gotten in about 70-some patches I think | |
| 06:38 | ashimema_ | and are those spread randomly accross customers.. or shared customisation applied across all customers dcook |
| 06:39 | dcook | And the other 30 I think weren't needed anymore as someone else in the community had done them |
| 06:39 | ashimema_ | the fact you could give me a figure makes it sound like the later |
| 06:39 | dcook | Yep |
| 06:39 | We control a lot of things with system preferences | |
| 06:39 | ashimema_ | lol.. all part of the same game plan.. |
| 06:39 | dcook | And other options |
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| 06:40 | dcook | Really though, I'd love to reduce that 126 by a lot |
| 06:40 | Slowly but surely... | |
| 06:40 | eythian | we have a few branches for different people, but whenever we can we try to lose customisations. |
| 06:40 | ashimema_ | i'm going through customers one at a time and cleaning up their custom work for submission into community. ;) |
| 06:40 | but at the moment they're all running very different branches to each other :'( | |
| 06:40 | dcook | :( |
| 06:40 | Yeah, we pretty much support two versions at a time and everyone runs on the same | |
| 06:40 | eythian | we group them into classes, and so one customised branch is used by many libraries, even if they're on different servers. |
| 06:41 | dcook | Well, I guess three versions at the moment, but no one is on the third. It's just an OAI harvester tester |
| 06:41 | eythian: sounds like a good way of doing it | |
| 06:41 | ashimema_ | that's exactly where Id like to get to eythian. |
| 06:41 | eythian | it just reduces the branch management mess a bit. |
| 06:41 | ashimema_ | deffo |
| 06:41 | mess being the operative word there | |
| 06:41 | cheers guys.. that's really helped. | |
| 06:42 | dcook | :) |
| 06:42 | Glad to have helped | |
| 06:42 | And one day... that 126 will be far lower... | |
| 06:42 | It's mostly about having the time to upstream changes | |
| 06:42 | ashimema_ | now to go back to our migrations man and tell him he's being needlessly silly. |
| 06:42 | dcook | We have a lot of clients O_O |
| 06:42 | And we're always working on new things too | |
| 06:42 | hehe | |
| 06:42 | I didn't say anything about anyone being silly :p | |
| 06:42 | But yeah, I think you and he have options | |
| 06:43 | eythian | hi cait |
| 06:43 | ashimema_ | i'm looking at it from the 'greater good' picture.. |
| 06:43 | the compan would do better as a whole if the larger number of people had less work and we had less hardware expense | |
| 06:43 | ;) | |
| 06:43 | that's going to be my sales pitch | |
| 06:43 | * cait | waves |
| 06:43 | cait | was reading back |
| 06:43 | ashimema_ | morning cit |
| 06:44 | eythian | ashimema_: want us to send some people your way to build you an openstack cluster? :) |
| 06:44 | dcook | :D |
| 06:44 | hey cait | |
| 06:44 | cait | :) |
| 06:44 | dcook | I should really go home.. |
| 06:44 | Actually, I should go look for gardening stuff | |
| 06:44 | eythian | me too, just ran security updates for everyone. |
| 06:44 | dcook | We just got a vermicomposting bin yesterday |
| 06:44 | eythian | well, all the ones that we do that for that aren't internal. |
| 06:44 | and only the ones with a working VPN... | |
| 06:46 | ashimema_ | i'm not sure an openstack cluster would really win us anything eythian ;) |
| 06:46 | eythian | we're wanting to eventually move all our stuff onto it |
| 06:46 | ashimema_ | we can already scale our servers up and down dynamically as we need to.. |
| 06:46 | eythian | ah right |
| 06:46 | ashimema_ | i'm not sure what openstack does better ;) |
| 06:46 | can't really remember it's main selling point | |
| 06:47 | eythian | I want to have it all automatic in the end, so at night there might only be one server, but during the day when things are busy it scales up to handle the load. |
| 06:47 | so all clients behind one load balancer, and on any number of identical web frontends talking to a separate search and db server. | |
| 06:48 | ashimema_ | ooh.. that is cool |
| 06:48 | we're not doing that sort of load balancing at all yet.. | |
| 06:48 | eythian | it'll be a while before we get there though :) |
| 06:48 | ashimema_ | though I'd like to move that way.. |
| 06:48 | at the moment, if a system seems as though it's getting bogged down, we just increase it's resources.. | |
| 06:49 | our system basically has a 'performance' slider.. which increases cpu cores and ram | |
| 06:49 | eythian | we'd also like to have a website where you can buy your own koha instance and it just adds stuff to make it happen automatically, but that'll be even further off. |
| 06:49 | ashimema_ | biblibre do that I beleive |
| 06:49 | I'de also like to do that.. but the guys above me don;'t think it's worth our time | |
| 06:50 | eythian | oh yeah? The main issue is that koha instances are fairly heavyweight. I don't know if that is avoidable though. |
| 06:50 | ashimema_ | I thought they did.. |
| 06:50 | dcook | Hmm, that does sound interesting... |
| 06:51 | eythian | in the medium term, I'd like to get the instances able to be deployed by puppet. |
| 06:51 | ashimema_ | I 'think' http://www.pikoloco.com/ |
| 06:51 | dcook | Oh no... not the configuration manager conversation... I was just about to go... |
| 06:52 | * dcook | is going to get back to Chef and AWS on Monday... and maybe start using Ansible for his personal computers |
| 06:52 | eythian | ashimema_: that sure looks like it |
| 06:52 | * dcook | runs off before anyone can say anything more |
| 06:52 | eythian | my French is more or less non-existant however. |
| 06:52 | dcook | night all |
| 06:52 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 06:52 | eythian | later dcook |
| 06:52 | * dcook | will look at the French stuff in the morning :p |
| 06:52 | really goes this time | |
| 06:54 | ashimema_ | our hosting providers use Ansible dcook |
| 06:54 | I 'think' i've i'de found Ansible before Salt I may have used it | |
| 06:54 | i use google translate eythian | |
| 06:55 | eythian | that would have been sensible :) |
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| 06:59 | eythian | also time for me to go, later ashimema_, cait |
| 07:00 | * Oak | waves |
| 07:00 | ashimema_ | night mate |
| 07:00 | Oak | later Mr. Robin |
| 07:00 | cait | bye eythian, hi Oak |
| 07:00 | Oak | hello Katrin |
| 07:01 | cait | :) |
| 07:01 | Oak | :) |
| 07:01 | how is Marcus? | |
| 07:05 | cait | good i think, gonna visit themfor christmas |
| 07:06 | Oak | cool. |
| 07:07 | he has a sister as well now? | |
| 07:10 | cait | no still no nieces :) |
| 07:13 | Oak | :) okay. |
| 07:34 | magnuse | Oak |
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| 07:35 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:37 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:37 | marcelr | :) |
| 07:37 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:38 | cait | bbiab |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:53 | marcelr | hi magnuse and reiveune |
| 07:54 | reiveune | hi marcelr dcook rangi |
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| 08:11 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 08:11 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 08:12 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 08:15 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 08:21 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:22 | drojf | hi cait |
| 08:22 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 08:22 | feeling better? | |
| 08:23 | drojf | not sure yet :) |
| 08:29 | cait | hm |
| 08:35 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 08:36 | cait | hi magnuse |
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| 08:45 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:46 | cait | hi gaetan_B |
| 09:03 | Oak | magnuse |
| 09:03 | ashimema | I is confused |
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| 09:08 | magnuse | ashimema: anything we can do to help? |
| 09:08 | * magnuse | waves at akafred |
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| 09:50 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 09:53 | I'm trying to make sense of the plack instructions on the wiki. | |
| 09:53 | Anyone around who is familiar with Plack? | |
| 10:23 | nlegrand | Hey #koha |
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| 10:33 | BobB | hi |
| 10:34 | does anyone know what the account type FU represents, in the Patron (Fines) module? | |
| 10:37 | magnuse | hiya nlegrand and BobB |
| 10:37 | nlegrand | o/ magnuse |
| 10:38 | magnuse | BobB: Fine Unpaid? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Hard_Coded_Values |
| 10:38 | BobB | hi magnuse |
| 10:39 | yeah, I thought of that, but how would it be different to F (Fine)? | |
| 10:39 | magnuse | heh, no idea |
| 10:40 | BobB | I do notice that for the particular item the fine has maxed out at the 'Overdue Fines Cap' |
| 10:41 | So FO or FM might have made sense, but FU? | |
| 10:42 | we'll look in the code then | |
| 10:42 | thx magnuse | |
| 10:45 | cait | fines unpaid |
| 10:45 | i think it's about being returned or not, but not totally sure | |
| 10:46 | magnuse | maybe there are some hints in Bug 9626 |
| 10:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9626 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , can't pay FU fines without messing things up |
| 10:47 | drojf | bug 13465 may be qa'd :) |
| 10:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13465 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Fields controlled by authorized values cannot be unset (Lost, damaged, not for loan status, ...) |
| 10:53 | cait | Joubu++ |
| 10:53 | will try tonight, but hoping someone beats me to it | |
| 10:56 | gaetan_B | is www.koha-community.com down ? |
| 10:57 | cait | .org? |
| 10:57 | :) | |
| 10:57 | gaetan_B | :-| |
| 10:57 | cait | browser autocomplete? |
| 10:57 | gaetan_B | good point cait :) |
| 10:57 | cait | happy to be able to help :) |
| 11:00 | gaetan_B | there is something at koha-community.com though, but it just serves a blank page |
| 11:02 | paxed | FU == Fine Update |
| 11:03 | cait | ah |
| 11:04 | paxed | C4/Overdues.pm has a FIXME listing the codes. |
| 11:26 | BobB | ok, thank you paxed |
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| 14:16 | mveron | hi #koha |
| 14:16 | @wunder Allschwil | |
| 14:16 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 11.8°C (3:16 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:16 | magnuse | bye #koha |
| 14:16 | @wunder boo | |
| 14:16 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (2:50 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:16 | mveron | bye magnuse :-) |
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| 14:33 | drojf | hi mveron :) |
| 14:33 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 14:33 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berolinastr., Berlin-Mitte, Berlin, Germany is 9.9°C (3:30 PM CET on December 18, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:33 | mveron | hi drojf :-) |
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| 16:05 | mveron | bye #koha |
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| 17:21 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:46 | KotH | a wonderfull evening! |
| 17:51 | i installed koha on a debian/stable machine from the koha repository. everything works fine, but responce time of koha is abysimally slow. every access takes seconds (between 1 and 20 seconds) | |
| 17:51 | the system seems to spend time in some of the perl scripts | |
| 17:52 | reiveune | bye |
| 17:52 | KotH | is this a known problem? if so, any hints how to fix it (i couldnt find anything in the bug reports), if it isnt how can i further investigate the cause? |
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| 17:52 | cait | KotH: not sure - 20 seconds istoo long |
| 17:53 | KotH | yes, i'm surprised apache doesnt time out |
| 17:53 | ashimema | any script in particular might at least narrow it down.. |
| 17:53 | KotH | ok, the machine is veeeery old. a dual P-III 1GHz |
| 17:53 | but i thought it's fine for testing :) | |
| 17:53 | ashimema | I run koha for dev purposes on a 1 core 1 gb ram system.. |
| 17:54 | and it ticks along ok | |
| 17:55 | KotH | login takes 5 seconds... spending most of the time in opac-main.pl |
| 17:58 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 17:58 | now that is odd.. | |
| 17:58 | that's usually very snappy.. | |
| 17:58 | it's searching the catalogue that really slows on an underpowered system.. | |
| 17:58 | I'm afraid I've gotta go cook the daughters dinner now.. | |
| 17:59 | but should be back later if your still struggling | |
| 17:59 | KotH | oki. have fun |
| 18:00 | drojf | KotH: how much RAM dou you have? if you run into swap it can get pretty slow |
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| 18:01 | drojf | *do |
| 18:01 | KotH | 1.8G |
| 18:01 | and no, the system isnt swapping | |
| 18:01 | that was the first thing i checked | |
| 18:02 | drojf | hm no that should be ore than enough |
| 18:02 | *more | |
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| 18:09 | KotH | the strace output looks like perl is spending most of its time to look for modules to load |
| 18:09 | which is ... weird | |
| 18:16 | drojf | KotH: one thing that seemed to slow down things for me in the opac was a 'color.css' entry in opaccolorstylesheet that referenced a file that did not exist |
| 18:17 | KotH | i didnt see any stats on that |
| 18:17 | * KotH | wonders whether he should use mod_perl |
| 18:21 | cait | hm no |
| 18:21 | KotH: strange question maybe, but how did you install and from where? | |
| 18:22 | just checking to make sure :) | |
| 18:24 | KotH | i put "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" into my sources.list and then just "apt-get install koha-common" |
| 18:24 | system is a debian/stable (wheezy) | |
| 18:25 | perl 5.14 | |
| 18:25 | wahanui | perl 5.14 is from Ubuntu. |
| 18:25 | cait | hm ok |
| 18:40 | * chris_n | give his zebra a swift kick |
| 18:41 | chris_n | reindexing gets hung and borks with "zebraidx(439) [warn] Couldn't open collection.abs [No such file or directory]" and cranks up the CPU load thusly: 4.77, 1.97, 1.04 |
| 18:42 | I don't recall a collection.abs; is that something new in the last couple of years? | |
| 18:45 | KotH | eh.. it is loading modules... most stime is spend in Class::Accessor::Grouped::__ANON__[Class/Accessor/Grouped.pm:810] shortly followed by Class::C3::Componentised::ensure_class_loaded |
| 18:46 | * chris_n | figures that zebraidx should fail gracefully at least |
| 18:47 | chris_n | but then, come to think of it, zebra never did anything graceful anyway |
| 18:51 | drojf | chris_n: you got switched to dom while you actually use grs indexing |
| 18:52 | see bug 13396 | |
| 18:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13396 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-rebuild-zebra: Couldn't open collection.abs error after 3.18 package update |
| 18:53 | * KotH | gets the impression that his perl is borked |
| 18:54 | drojf | chris_n: add to your koha-conf.xml the lines |
| 18:54 | <zebra_bib_index_mode>grs1</zebra_bib_index_mode> | |
| 18:54 | <zebra_auth_index_mode>grs1</zebra_auth_index_mode> | |
| 18:54 | <zebra_lockdir>/var/lock/koha/__KOHASITE__</zebra_lockdir> | |
| 18:54 | <use_zebra_facets>0</use_zebra_facets> | |
| 18:54 | (change the _KOHASITE_ ) | |
| 18:59 | chris_n | drojf++ |
| 18:59 | interestingly enough, this was an update of a dev install rather than a package | |
| 18:59 | apparently this got messed up when I re-ran Makefile.PL | |
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| 19:32 | * chris_n | was bragging on Koha to the county library when they pointed me to their "new" system |
| 19:32 | chris_n | I looked and this is what I saw: http://nccardinal.org/eg/opac/home |
| 19:32 | :-) | |
| 19:32 | * chris_n | pokes gmcharlt |
| 19:34 | cait | :) |
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| 19:42 | wizzyrea | chris_n: I guess we can't be too mad about that. |
| 19:43 | chris_n | no, it was just a very hilarious coincidence! |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | feels like that issue with GRS1 should be fixed. |
| 19:44 | chris_n | there's nothing like heralding the benefits of OSS software only to be told "we're there" :-) |
| 19:44 | * chris_n | agrees on the GRS1 foo |
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| 19:59 | chris_n | more index problems :-P |
| 19:59 | Entity: line 109: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document | |
| 19:59 | <record | |
| 19:59 | ^ | |
| 19:59 | but a quick look at the marcxml fields in biblioitems seems to show everything is intact | |
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| 20:12 | wizzyrea | weird. |
| 20:22 | rangi | germs |
| 20:22 | germs? | |
| 20:22 | wahanui | well, germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 20:22 | rangi | germs? |
| 20:22 | wahanui | rumour has it germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 20:22 | rangi | germs? |
| 20:22 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 20:23 | cait | hmpf? |
| 20:23 | rangi | hehe |
| 20:23 | kristina has germs | |
| 20:31 | cait | hmpf? |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | poor kristina. |
| 20:33 | ibeardslee | She must have partied too hard on Wednesday |
| 20:34 | A number of other people seemed to have pickup up illnesses yesterday. | |
| 20:37 | rangi | she didnt even go to the party, she did some work til about 7 then went home cos she had to do a conference call thing to the US early next morning |
| 20:37 | so, not partying enough i think is the problem | |
| 20:38 | cait | wow |
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| 21:14 | KotH | btw: does anyone run koha on an x86 (ie 32bit)? |
| 21:14 | * KotH | is getting the impression he stumbled over a perl bug that only manifests itself on x86 |
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| 22:34 | cbrannon | Is bugzilla slow today? |
| 22:34 | wnickc | cbrannon: thanks for that reports info, I just kept banging my head against that %5 with variables |
| 22:35 | cbrannon | wnickc: no problem |
| 22:36 | wnickc | I get it enough to make it work now, but it still feels like magic |
| 22:37 | cbrannon | sql=magic |
| 22:37 | Actually sql>magic | |
| 22:39 | wnickc: how well do you know the inventory tool? | |
| 22:39 | wnickc | I mean, we've talked at a few parties, but we don't hang out |
| 22:39 | dcook | I'd have to go with magic>sql :p |
| 22:39 | cbrannon | haha |
| 22:39 | :) | |
| 22:40 | wnickc: Have you used the tool? | |
| 22:40 | wnickc | I have dabbled, we actually decided to just check in every item because it didn't have the functions we wanted when we tried |
| 22:41 | but it has been Kyled and should be better now | |
| 22:41 | cbrannon | "Kyled" - I like that. |
| 22:41 | cait | good night all :) |
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| 22:46 | wnickc | did you have a specific thing you were trying to do with it? |
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| 22:55 | cbrannon | wnickc: trying to figure out the messages |
| 22:56 | dcook | message? |
| 22:56 | wahanui | hmmm... message is a warning not an error. |
| 22:56 | dcook | message is also the medium is the message |
| 22:56 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 22:56 | dcook | message? |
| 22:56 | wahanui | hmmm... message is the medium is the message |
| 22:56 | dcook | damn |
| 22:56 | I did that all wrong :p | |
| 22:56 | forget message | |
| 22:56 | wahanui | dcook: I forgot message |
| 22:56 | dcook | message? |
| 22:56 | medium? | |
| 22:56 | medium is the message | |
| 22:56 | medium? | |
| 22:56 | wahanui | medium is the message |
| 22:56 | dcook | I don't even buy it, but it sounds good |
| 22:57 | wnickc | :) |
| 22:57 | dcook | Hmm, looks like Windows 8.1 has crapped out again... |
| 22:57 | wnickc | If I had a nickel... |
| 23:02 | cbrannon | nickel? |
| 23:02 | nickel is the message | |
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| 23:46 | cbrannon | Has anyone tried http://www.libraryextension.com/? Pretty cool. |
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| 23:57 | dac | cbrannon: Interesting. I wonder how it works... |
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