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| 03:19 | wizzyrea | ...we really don't ask for browser and version in bug reports do we. |
| 03:19 | pity. | |
| 03:19 | rangi | its there, people dont really fill it out |
| 03:22 | pianohacker | too many other fields :) |
| 03:23 | anyway now that I've said my piece and added a smiley to defuse it I should run away again | |
| 03:23 | good night all | |
| 03:26 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea: Any particular one standing out to you? | |
| 03:26 | * dcook | is getting reasonably good at guessing IE versions |
| 03:26 | dcook | Also compatibility mode |
| 03:26 | "So everything's broken and you're not on IE 7? Ok, you're almost certainly in compatibility view mode." | |
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| 04:10 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 04:10 | no I just had someone ask me for a comprehensive list of IE bugs in koha | |
| 04:10 | where to even start. | |
| 04:11 | dcook | Oh man... |
| 04:11 | Do they mean open bugs or absolutely every bug ever? | |
| 04:11 | I try to include "IE" or "Internet Explorer" in the title of every IE bug I do | |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | "bugs currently bothering IE in recent versions" |
| 04:11 | it's rather not specific | |
| 04:12 | dcook | Hmm. Yeah, no doubt. |
| 04:12 | gmcharlt | bugs currently bothering IE... |
| 04:12 | dcook | tcohen has also been pushing a lot of IE patches recently as well |
| 04:12 | gmcharlt | can we bother IE even MORE? |
| 04:12 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:12 | Yeah, I think they mean "bugs in IE currently bothering recent versions of Koha"... | |
| 04:13 | Well... | |
| 04:13 | A few of them are arguably "bugs" in Koha, which modern browsers just gloss over nowadays | |
| 04:15 | I think every one of my IE bugs has been pushed, except for... bug 10772 and bug 9584 | |
| 04:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10772 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7 not loading reset-fonts-grids.css in staff client |
| 04:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9584 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Failed QA , Remove problematic IE CSS Hacks in staff client | |
| 04:15 | dcook | I didn't provide a patch for the first one, and my patch for the second one was no good |
| 04:16 | (and no one has raised them as issues locally so there's been no impetus to work on them anyway) | |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | yeah, that's all fine. |
| 04:16 | hm | |
| 04:16 | i'm looking at the latest master | |
| 04:17 | can anyone else reproduce that the borrower name doesn't show up on the checkout screen? | |
| 04:17 | screen inc. | |
| 04:17 | dcook | I could probably take a look at that sure. |
| 04:17 | Which browser? | |
| 04:17 | wahanui | Which browser are you using? |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | firefox |
| 04:17 | * dcook | is juggling about a million issues at the moment, and seems to enjoy putting more and more stuff ontop of his current list |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | I just want to know if it's me |
| 04:18 | eythian | no wahanui, which browser is <reply>If it's IE, there will be trouble. |
| 04:18 | no wahanui, \which browser is <reply>If it's IE, there will be trouble. | |
| 04:18 | wahanui | i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | http://i.imgur.com/V4JWFlG.png |
| 04:18 | see how the borrower name is just () | |
| 04:18 | both in the sidebar and next to "checking out to" | |
| 04:19 | * wizzyrea | tries renewing the borrower |
| 04:19 | * dcook | is updating his db |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | mmm something is quite wrong I think |
| 04:19 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:19 | I think it's something wrong with you, wizzyrea | |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | yeah it looks that way. |
| 04:19 | dcook | Mine looks ok |
| 04:20 | * wizzyrea | dumps this database |
| 04:33 | wizzyrea | I just totes broke up with that DB, the little jerk. |
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| 04:42 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:42 | I have comfort food :) | |
| 04:42 | Oreos, BBQ shapes, and... raspberry iced tea | |
| 04:42 | Hmm, apparently it's actually "Ice Tea" | |
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| 04:43 | dcook | Hmm. |
| 04:43 | eythian | wahanui: wizzyrea also is never going to refer to a client as a flithy smurf in professional correspondence. Again. |
| 04:43 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:43 | * dcook | wishes he knew more about the science of tastebuds... |
| 04:48 | dcook | Wow...reading through the fine print on MARC21 bibliographic 300 |
| 04:48 | Just...wow | |
| 04:48 | I think my eyes might start bleeding soon | |
| 04:49 | "In works that are not yet complete, only the type of unit designation is recorded preceded by three spaces. (The actual number of pieces received may be recorded as temporary data enclosed in angle brackets.)" | |
| 04:49 | wizzyrea | lol damn you |
| 04:50 | dcook | In the example, the unit designation is not preceded by three spaces either... |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | not you. |
| 04:50 | dcook | I know. I'm just ranting :). |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | eythian. Because he's a smartass. ;) |
| 04:50 | dcook | I also know that eythian is a smartass :p. |
| 04:50 | * eythian | is not the one calling people names |
| 04:50 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | you told me to! |
| 04:51 | dcook | I think that's the part where you're supposed to deny it :p |
| 04:51 | wizzyrea | haha no way. |
| 04:51 | I totally did it. | |
| 04:51 | it's not actually my fault that the recipient didn't notice it and forwarded it to his boss. :P | |
| 04:52 | it's only my fault for putting it there. | |
| 04:52 | at least it wasn't sweary. | |
| 04:52 | * dcook | is so intrigued beyond words |
| 04:54 | thinks LoC might've meant "succeeded" or "followed" rather than "preceded", although their example doesn't corroborate that either. | |
| 04:54 | thinks LoC might just be trolling everyone everywhere forever | |
| 04:54 | eythian | that would sure be a surprise. |
| 04:55 | dcook | You know...maybe this is like Lost... and we all did something bad in our previous life... so now we're stuck with MARC21 |
| 04:56 | If that's what Lost was about | |
| 04:56 | Actually, forget Lost. *grumbles something about worst show ever* | |
| 04:57 | I would love to know what a "set" is | |
| 04:57 | According to MARC21 | |
| 04:57 | eythian | I have had the last half-dozen episodes sitting in my to-download queue for years now. |
| 04:57 | dcook | eythian: Save yourself some pain and just don't do it |
| 04:57 | Friends don't let friends watch Lost :p | |
| 04:57 | eythian | So far, I've not done it :) |
| 04:58 | dcook | :) |
| 04:58 | eythian | hmm, I do have Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome sitting at home to watch. |
| 04:58 | perhaps that could be this evening's fare. | |
| 04:58 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 04:58 | dcook | I think this evening might be Orange is the New Black...or Orphan Black... |
| 04:58 | Or one of those shows that has an O or Black in the title | |
| 04:59 | eythian | ooh is orphan black back again? |
| 04:59 | dcook | Dunno? |
| 04:59 | I actually met one of the actors from Orphan Black years ago though | |
| 04:59 | We're from the same home town :) | |
| 04:59 | eythian | oh, no. Still on break. |
| 04:59 | rangi | this looks pretty awesome |
| 04:59 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be | |
| 04:59 | eythian | cool |
| 04:59 | it's a good show that | |
| 04:59 | dcook | Which one? |
| 04:59 | wahanui | i guess Which one is that? The fixed navbar? |
| 05:00 | eythian | orphan black |
| 05:01 | Dead Lands looks like it could be good. | |
| 05:01 | dcook | Dead Lands looks intense |
| 05:01 | Mmm, yeah, I hear good things about Orphan Black | |
| 05:01 | Such a small world... | |
| 05:01 | I remember seeing Tatiana Maslany in local theatre productions | |
| 05:02 | I was amazed when she was in Gingersnaps 2, so it's sort of a big deal that she's in Orphan Black now | |
| 05:02 | eythian | oh, is that who you met? |
| 05:02 | dcook | Yeah, she was in an improv group with a librarian I know |
| 05:02 | eythian | she is utterly amazing in OB. |
| 05:02 | like, super-great. | |
| 05:02 | dcook | That's what I hear :) |
| 05:02 | Hmm, I didn't know she had two brothers.. | |
| 05:02 | I've seen Daniel in some theatre too. He's pretty good. | |
| 05:03 | rangi | the interesting thing about the dead lands is its entirely in maori |
| 05:03 | dcook | General Fools Improvisational Theatre. That was the improv group. |
| 05:04 | rangi: In the cast? | |
| 05:04 | rangi | the language |
| 05:04 | wahanui | somebody said the language was filed letter by letter word by word |
| 05:04 | dcook | Sweet |
| 05:04 | eythian | oh cool |
| 05:04 | rangi | theres no english, ... maybe subtitles |
| 05:04 | and i think the first pre colonisation set one | |
| 05:05 | http://www.flicks.co.nz/blog/n[…]m-the-dead-lands/ | |
| 05:05 | dcook | I wonder what it's distribution is going to be like |
| 05:05 | rangi | it'll play all the festivals i imagine |
| 05:05 | but then probably to dvd after that | |
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| 05:15 | dcook | yo cait |
| 05:15 | rangi: I might have to keep my eyes and ears out for it | |
| 05:16 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:16 | * cait | waves |
| 05:17 | dcook | Hmm 7:17am...I guess that's a reasonable time to be awake :p |
| 05:18 | cait | heh |
| 05:18 | not sure | |
| 05:34 | * mtompset | sneaks out. |
| 05:34 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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| 05:36 | indradg | good morning #koha |
| 05:38 | dcook | morning/afternoon indradg |
| 05:39 | indradg | dcook: morning it is... just about 11 |
| 05:48 | dcook | 3:47pm, I believe ;) |
| 05:48 | Huh...my local public library doesn't have "detail" pages apparently...just search results | |
| 05:48 | * dcook | really dislikes the software used by his local public library |
| 05:49 | dcook | Such bad cataloguing as well... |
| 05:49 | I do a "series" search for "the walking dead" and I get volumes 19 and 20 out of the comic series | |
| 05:50 | Even though I know for a fact they've catalogued 1-18 as well | |
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| 06:36 | dcook | Noo, it can't be 4:36pm already... |
| 06:36 | * dcook | thinks someone should work on the bug preventing each day from being 32 hours long. |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
| 06:41 | dcook | salut reiveune |
| 06:41 | reiveune | salut dcook |
| 06:42 | ashimema | morning |
| 06:48 | dcook | heya ashimema |
| 06:48 | wahanui | ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 06:48 | ashimema | hows it hangin' dcook |
| 06:52 | dcook | Mmm, good question |
| 06:53 | Ever changing? haha | |
| 06:53 | How 'bout you? | |
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| 06:54 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:54 | dcook | heya cait |
| 06:55 | cait | go home dcook :) |
| 06:57 | dcook | What? It's not even 5pm yet! |
| 06:57 | (It's 4:57pm...) | |
| 06:57 | That's 3 minutes of checking emails at least! | |
| 06:57 | cait | heh ok |
| 06:59 | dcook | ^_^ |
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| 07:50 | ashimema | the left hand never knows what the rights hands doing over here eiter dcook |
| 07:50 | morning cait. | |
| 07:50 | cait | morning ashimema :) |
| 07:53 | ashimema | Why is it whenever you get back to a piece of code you were working on a few month before, that you just want to tear it apart and start again from scratch? |
| 07:55 | Joubu | Good morning #koha |
| 07:55 | dcook | ashimema: I think Australia learned it from England ;) |
| 07:55 | hehe | |
| 07:55 | cait | morning Joubu |
| 07:55 | dcook | Also good question about the tearing apart |
| 07:55 | cait | ashimema: gues... don't let it lie around that long then? :P |
| 07:55 | * dcook | wants to tear apart his OAI client code |
| 07:55 | dcook | I was going to work on this code over the past few weeks, but been so busy... |
| 07:56 | (ashimema: In my case, it's that my coding ability has improved drastically since I originally wrote that code a year or so ago) | |
| 07:56 | ashimema | yeah.. same issues dcook.. other things had to start taking priority.. finally getting back to stuff now and OMG, this code is aweful1 |
| 07:57 | likewise I reckon. | |
| 07:57 | cait | which project is it? *curious* heh |
| 07:57 | ashimema | The bit that's currently bugging me.. is that it's making me really want to shift a bunch of surrounding stuff into Koha namespace and do them 'nicely' before I get back to this code |
| 07:58 | it's my borrower import re-write cait.. | |
| 07:58 | I see khall took the 'easy' route for a similar patch.. | |
| 07:58 | but now I'm thinking all my work really isn't good enough to go into Koha:: as it's so intertwined with the C4:: members mechanicals.. | |
| 07:58 | :( | |
| 07:59 | dcook | Yeah, I know what you mean, ashimema. I had a bunch of plans for Search, but I think I'll have to incrementally improve it |
| 08:00 | Once I get a handle on all the current stuff I have... | |
| 08:00 | * dcook | really needs a minion |
| 08:00 | cait | step by step... and noone is perfect :) |
| 08:00 | * cait | hands out cookies and hugs to dcook and ashimema |
| 08:00 | dcook | It'll be good when my boss is back to help lighten the load, but then I go away, and I'll have lots to catch up on when I'm back from holiday.. |
| 08:00 | D'awww | |
| 08:00 | * dcook | hugs cait back |
| 08:00 | dcook | I have oreos? Not everyone considers them to be cookies, but I'm happy to share :) |
| 08:01 | * cait | loves oreos |
| 08:01 | cait | it's not so long that you can get them here i think |
| 08:01 | ashimema | :) |
| 08:02 | It's really hard to know where to draw the line between adding more technical debt atop old cold and when you should bite the bullet and recode something before adding an enhancement atop it. | |
| 08:02 | s/cold/code | |
| 08:03 | cait | but we also need to be careful not to rewrite constntly, i think there needs to be a gain when doing it |
| 08:04 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ |
| 08:04 | ashimema | What do you think of as 'a gain' though.. if it make's it drastically easier to write new enhancements..? is that enough of a gain? |
| 08:04 | * ashimema | heads off to read rangi's blog post. |
| 08:04 | cait | if the enh follows the rewrite i think yes |
| 08:04 | but not rewrite just to rewrite :) | |
| 08:07 | ashimema | so in your method cait.. would one do the rewrite and then base a second bug upon that re-write? |
| 08:08 | * dcook | is also curious about this ^ |
| 08:08 | ashimema | 'cause i've seen a number of bugs like that that never go in.. bacially because peopel are scared of the re-write part so they get blocked ;) |
| 08:08 | * dcook | so far has done some rewrites and waited for them to go in |
| 08:08 | ashimema | or would you do the re-write as part of the enhancement bug.. to give it a better chance of going in. |
| 08:09 | certainly.. having lots of unit tests helps with this ;) | |
| 08:09 | rangi | first patch should be the tests |
| 08:09 | second patch should be a rewrite | |
| 08:09 | such that all the tests still pass | |
| 08:10 | ashimema | certainly.. |
| 08:10 | wahanui | hmmm... certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing your attention to it. |
| 08:10 | rangi | almost all of the rewrite ones are the other way round |
| 08:10 | ashimema | but should the enhancement be the third patch in the same bug.. or another bug entirely ;) |
| 08:10 | rangi | either is fine |
| 08:10 | wahanui | i already had it that way, rangi. |
| 08:11 | dcook | What about when the rewrite actually fixes something that was broken? |
| 08:11 | In that case, the outcome of the test should be different | |
| 08:11 | rangi | yes so the test should be failing |
| 08:11 | dcook | Sweeet |
| 08:11 | rangi | and the patch should fix it |
| 08:11 | * dcook | likes this idea |
| 08:12 | dcook | I'll have to ask again when I actually get back to the search stuff.. |
| 08:12 | Oh, forgot about Francois's email.. | |
| 08:13 | ashimema | I agree in principle.. |
| 08:13 | dcook | It could be tough in some cases, me thinks, ashimema |
| 08:13 | ashimema | and that's actually how I tend to go about re-writing now.. |
| 08:14 | but yeah.. my instance if I'de like to completely re-write Members.pm to be object oriented instead of functional.. | |
| 08:14 | and I think a fair chunk of the subs would actually just go away.. | |
| 08:15 | that would need to be a staged migration from one approach to the other.. how would you go about such a large shift? | |
| 08:15 | rangi | you still need to test all the functionality still works |
| 08:16 | and id do it incrementally | |
| 08:16 | there is rarely ever a need to do an entire module in one go | |
| 08:16 | ashimema | yup.. would have to be incremental |
| 08:16 | rangi | do a sub, then another, then another |
| 08:17 | ashimema | k, i'm starting to get a bit of a map in my head for this now.. |
| 08:17 | huge amount of work in total | |
| 08:21 | rangi | 3.4.1 seriously |
| 08:22 | dcook | ashimema: But yay for member rewrite! |
| 08:22 | rangi: 3.4.1? | |
| 08:22 | wahanui | hmmm... 3.4.1 is http://git.koha-community.org/[…]693300df8fa9fb0f6 rather |
| 08:23 | * dcook | goes back to doing his taxes |
| 08:23 | dcook | One moment Lingua::Stem::Snowball. The next taxes. |
| 08:23 | ashimema | huh? |
| 08:23 | 3.4.1 rangi? | |
| 08:23 | rangi | someone asking about a problem in koha 3.4.1 |
| 08:23 | its only 3 years old | |
| 08:24 | ashimema | oh.. on list somewhere I assume. |
| 08:24 | ack. | |
| 08:24 | rangi | yep |
| 08:24 | dcook | I'm gobsmacked when I see questions floating around the internet about installing Koha 2.x |
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| 08:53 | cait | Joubu: can you think of a public library with branche and nice catalog? |
| 08:55 | Joubu | cait: what do you mean by "nice"? |
| 08:56 | cait | looking nice :) |
| 08:56 | Joubu | aix marseille has a big catalog: http://catalogue.univ-aix-marseille.fr |
| 08:56 | ha | |
| 08:56 | cait | true, but i need a public one |
| 08:56 | public library i mean | |
| 08:58 | Joubu | http://koha.mediathequeouestprovence.fr/ ? |
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| 09:31 | cait | Joubu: thx! |
| 09:33 | indradg | dcook: the reason people are still gung-ho about 2.x is that those were the last to run on a MSFT Windows based system |
| 09:33 | expired and pirated WinXP is still around in millions | |
| 09:34 | dcook | Ahhhhhhhh |
| 09:34 | That explains so much, indradg! | |
| 09:34 | indradg | plus... Linux is all commands, and it is verry tough! :P |
| 09:34 | dcook | Bah, it's not that tough :p |
| 09:35 | I think you could actually install Koha on Ubuntu with almost no commandline work | |
| 09:35 | I think you can set sources via a GUI, install the packages via the GUI... | |
| 09:35 | I suppose the stumbling block would be setting up Apache | |
| 09:35 | Which is the same stumbling block as now | |
| 09:35 | indradg | yep... that is not the image Linux has in large parts of Asia |
| 09:36 | dcook | That's fascinating :) |
| 09:36 | I don't think we've quite made it to Asia yet. I think we're mostly still Pacific Islands | |
| 09:36 | Well, Australia and Pacific Islands | |
| 09:36 | Oh, actually, maybe we have done some work in Southeast Asia.. | |
| 09:37 | indradg | trust me! a digital signature is a scanned image of signature |
| 09:37 | dcook | O_o |
| 09:37 | The world is an interesting place :) | |
| 09:37 | indradg | i got this from a very senior federal govt boss last month |
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| 09:37 | dcook | Ah, well, there's your problem ;) |
| 09:38 | I was watching a show called "Utopia" last night | |
| 09:38 | It's a satire of Australian government | |
| 09:38 | indradg | lol |
| 09:38 | dcook | I've worked in Canadian government, and there definitely is a disconnect between hands on reality and perceived reality the further up you go the governmental food chain |
| 09:39 | Which...makes a certain amount of sense I suppose. If one spends all of one's time in boardrooms and meetings, it is likely that one is going to be out of touch. | |
| 09:39 | indradg | its same every where apparently... just a degree of difference in the levels of spit and polish |
| 09:39 | dcook | Agreed |
| 09:39 | I think that's why I love my current job | |
| 09:40 | indradg | @seen mtompset |
| 09:40 | huginn | indradg: mtompset was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a great day, #koha. |
| 09:40 | dcook | I can be hands on with Koha and metadata, but still help out with certain policy decisions |
| 09:40 | indradg | dcook++ |
| 09:40 | dcook | (Although policy decisions are usually DSpace rather than Koha...) |
| 09:40 | Hmm? | |
| 09:40 | I don't know what I've done :p | |
| 09:40 | Other than trying to fix IE bugs :p | |
| 09:42 | indradg | @later tell mtompset have a look at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=31173 adds [% USE Koha %] to all existing intranet templates that did not have them |
| 09:42 | huginn | indradg: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:42 | indradg | @seen jcamins |
| 09:42 | huginn | indradg: jcamins was last seen in #koha 12 hours, 5 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <jcamins> Likewise, you could add a test plan "try to download jquery.ime plugin using your web browser," but it's hard to see why anyone would want to do that. |
| 09:57 | jcamins | You don't need to add me as a CC on bugs. |
| 09:57 | indradg | @later tell jcamins I've split up the patch for bug 12815 into a 5 part patch set. Not sure, if I did it alright |
| 09:57 | huginn | indradg: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:58 | indradg | jcamins: wilco! |
| 10:07 | dcook | Whoa, I've been at work long enough that jcamins has gone to bed and risen again :p |
| 10:09 | Ooo, I can get wine delivered to my house. | |
| 10:09 | I think the wine store is only about a block away, but... delivery! | |
| 10:12 | cait | lol |
| 10:12 | go home. | |
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| 10:17 | dcook | Nevar! |
| 10:17 | cait | *shrug* |
| 10:18 | dcook | Actually, I'm just changing addresses and stuff like that, and waiting to hear if my wife wants an escort home. |
| 10:18 | As she is out and about in the city. | |
| 10:19 | indradg | I tried to use a sandbox, but this error hit me - http://pastebin.com/yGpEeG8j |
| 10:19 | something about :fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt). | |
| 10:19 | Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. | |
| 10:19 | Cannot fall back to three-way merge. | |
| 10:20 | cait | which sandbox did you use? |
| 10:20 | indradg | cait: biblibre 1 |
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| 10:44 | cait | Joubu: around? |
| 10:45 | ah figuredit out | |
| 10:45 | calculations... | |
| 10:46 | Joubu | cait: more or less |
| 10:47 | ok :) | |
| 10:48 | cait | Joubu: you included something for the basket groups - is that from the pdf? |
| 10:48 | i am still in 'ordering' | |
| 10:48 | Joubu | yes |
| 10:48 | cait | ok |
| 10:48 | :) | |
| 10:51 | indradg | Joubu, trying to figure out the error http://pastebin.com/yGpEeG8j can you pls help ? |
| 10:53 | Joubu | indradg: one of the patches does not apply against master |
| 10:53 | fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/about.tt). | |
| 10:54 | indradg: try to rebase it/them and request another sandbox setup | |
| 10:54 | indradg | ok |
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| 11:13 | ashimema | i'm so happy to see people using the sandboxes outside of a conferance or other event where they're being plugged.. it's awesome Joubu, indradg |
| 11:13 | indradg | ashimema: :) |
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| 11:16 | Joubu | ashimema: yep, I just have a look at the stats, something like 30 requests has been done in August (for BibLibre' sandboxes) |
| 11:16 | for 4 signoffs | |
| 11:17 | There are 1000 lines in the table since 2013-07-12 | |
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| 11:27 | ashimema | That's fantastic Joubu.. |
| 11:27 | we're a bit behind on that.. but then I didn't get them working again at this end until recently. | |
| 11:27 | but yeah.. the stats table is starting to fill up with non ptfs-europe addresses.. which is great to see.. | |
| 11:28 | I always wanted to encourage people outside of just our own customer base to use them.. | |
| 11:28 | to b fair.. we're struggling to get our own customer base to use them much to start with... | |
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| 11:37 | tcohen | morning |
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| 11:40 | indradg | morning tcohen |
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| 11:46 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
| 11:47 | tcohen | we need to schedule a deadline for the utf8 patches |
| 11:47 | * dcook | needs to head home |
| 11:47 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 11:47 | dcook | hey tcohen :) |
| 11:48 | cait | go hme dcook |
| 11:48 | * ashimema | is getting fed up of monitor issues with this box |
| 11:48 | ashimema | still here dcook.. it's way past your home time mate |
| 11:50 | dcook | I was just catching up on a few life admin things (and maybe doing a few Koha emails in between). |
| 11:50 | Heading home now ;) | |
| 11:51 | Night all :) | |
| 11:51 | cait | hm |
| 11:51 | noone told him to take ashimema with him... | |
| 11:51 | :) | |
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| 11:52 | * tcohen | thinks ashimema should replace his router |
| 11:52 | cait | ah good |
| 11:52 | for a moment i thought you had gone with dcook :) | |
| 11:53 | ashimema | it's not the router.. it's the dual screen issues I'm having with this system.. I've just rebooted a number of times to enable/disable bios settings. |
| 11:53 | I have dual screns again now.. | |
| 11:53 | but the primary one doesn't like me still. :( | |
| 11:54 | i get that horrible tearing when i drag a window accross it :( | |
| 11:54 | tcohen | what os? |
| 11:54 | ashimema | ubuntu gnome edition. |
| 11:54 | tcohen | 14.04? |
| 11:54 | ashimema | 14.04 |
| 11:55 | tcohen | maybe its a compiz problem |
| 11:55 | ashimema | I didn't think gnome used compiz? |
| 11:55 | Gallium 0.4 on AMD BONAIRE | |
| 11:56 | Joubu | tcohen: how do you schedule a deadline? |
| 11:56 | for the utf8 patches | |
| 11:56 | cait | Joubu: just a quick question- it hink currently we have freight cost on invoice level not on aqorders level - will the patch change it? i am cnfused about some of the freight comments |
| 11:57 | tcohen | Joubu: we should schedule a dev meeting to take on that topic |
| 11:57 | Joubu | cait: yes, I added that in the Questions/notes |
| 11:57 | cait | ah ok... not quite there yet |
| 11:57 | tcohen | and make sure all interested parties are present |
| 11:57 | cait | and it started raining and all my papers ended on the floor in between from the wind |
| 11:57 | Joubu | cait: IMO we should remove aqorders.shipment* |
| 11:57 | and use aqinvoices.shipment* | |
| 11:57 | cait | hm do you mean freight? |
| 11:58 | Joubu | yeo |
| 11:58 | yep | |
| 11:58 | cait | i think we only use that currently - but there were libraries who wanted the freight ocst to be divided and the partials being added to the order lines |
| 11:58 | Joubu | tcohen: who are the interested parties? :) |
| 11:58 | cait | so I think i'd not hastily remove it, but be clear that currently the level is one step higher |
| 11:59 | tcohen | we are the interested parties |
| 11:59 | :-D | |
| 11:59 | cait | i missed the interest of the party |
| 11:59 | which is it? | |
| 11:59 | * cait | has to check if she belongs to the parties |
| 11:59 | jcamins | Cookies! |
| 11:59 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 12:00 | jcamins | Wait, that's not the interest of the party? |
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| 12:00 | * jcamins | takes his noisemaker and silly hat elsewhere. |
| 12:00 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:00 | heh | |
| 12:00 | utf-8? | |
| 12:00 | jcamins | *My* party is about cookies. |
| 12:00 | wahanui | i guess utf-8 is lovely apart from the BOMs. |
| 12:00 | tcohen | heh |
| 12:00 | cait | i think first we need another date for a dev meeting :) |
| 12:00 | Joubu | cait: aqorders.feright is not used (and has never been used I think) |
| 12:00 | tcohen | next tuesday |
| 12:00 | cait | Joubu: i think it has before 3.2 maybe |
| 12:00 | oleonard | Hi partgoers. |
| 12:00 | cait | so if we remove some libraries might lose data -i'd rather keep it around for now |
| 12:01 | oleonard | Partygoers I mean. |
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| 12:02 | cait | tcohen: works for me |
| 12:02 | i thin paola updated the wiki again, but haven't checked closely | |
| 12:03 | tcohen | as i see it, stakeholders are those interested in having this patches moving, and the utf8 mess cleaned soon |
| 12:03 | and also, those who have concerns about this patch series | |
| 12:03 | cait | it blocks other dev too |
| 12:04 | tcohen | and might have something to propose/add/change |
| 12:04 | Joubu | tcohen: Does someone proposed something? |
| 12:05 | tcohen | i'd like to have some regression tests for this, at least for C4::Templates |
| 12:05 | but didn't seriously take the time to think of how to do it | |
| 12:05 | Joubu | nobody is going to write them... |
| 12:07 | Paola updated the wiki to tell "all" is working : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]13174&oldid=13153 | |
| 12:07 | cait | :) |
| 12:07 | tcohen | Joubu: we'll schedule a dev meeting for tuesday, and formally talk about it there, ok? |
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| 12:08 | cait | i thin we need a plan |
| 12:08 | it has been on the agenda a few times now | |
| 12:08 | but it's hard to get it really moving | |
| 12:08 | and we are getting into the second half of the cylce | |
| 12:09 | * tcohen | would like to have 4 more spare hours a day |
| 12:10 | ashimema | just four.. I could do with another 6 at least. |
| 12:10 | tcohen | i'll try to write a sample unit test for tuesday, for others to review |
| 12:10 | cait | make it 10? :) |
| 12:10 | tcohen | just a tiny one, to see what others think testing this should be |
| 12:11 | Joubu | tcohen: I will review it, with pleasure! |
| 12:11 | tcohen | *be like |
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| 12:32 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Bug 12176 - Remove HTML from additem.pl" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e74367ac413a35699> |
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| 12:43 | cait | hm quick poll |
| 12:43 | what do peopel think about removing items when importing via z39.50? | |
| 12:48 | oleonard | At my library we would not want to import items |
| 12:48 | cait | thx oleonard :) |
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| 12:49 | oleonard | Why do you ask cait? |
| 12:50 | cait | there is a patch that will remove 952/995 from z39.50 records on import |
| 12:50 | bug 6681 | |
| 12:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6681 major, P2, ---, simith.doliveira, Needs Signoff , When importing a biblio record via Z39.50, authority links and items also get imported |
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| 12:57 | tcohen | cait: i'd suggest we implement a way of specifying what to remove |
| 12:58 | cait | i'd like that a little better, but was not sure if i was wrong |
| 12:58 | i keep thinking there might be use cases where people don't want the fields to be removed, but haven't come up with one yet | |
| 12:58 | tcohen | the existence of those particular fields/subfields is just a consequence of a bad configuration (or not) and other requirements could arise |
| 12:58 | cait | coudl you add a comment on the bug with your thoughts? |
| 12:59 | tcohen | hmpf |
| 12:59 | cait | don't steal my soudn words! :) |
| 13:00 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: Testing Bug 11672, I get this error from the test" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/176 |
| 13:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11672 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable report areas in step 1 of Guided Reports |
| 13:01 | tcohen | oleonard: that's ok |
| 13:02 | there is a test using bad SQL | |
| 13:02 | on purpose | |
| 13:02 | to check it fails | |
| 13:02 | i can add a followup that catches the warning | |
| 13:03 | oleonard | Okay thanks |
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| 13:16 | cait | taxes make my brain hurt |
| 13:17 | Joubu++ # he deserves it all the tax thinking :) | |
| 13:20 | Joubu | cait: good news! |
| 13:20 | wahanui | good news is it looks like it's running properly. |
| 13:21 | cait | Joubu: taxes are dead and we don't have to care about them? |
| 13:22 | Joubu | it's the first config: 0 0, no? |
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| 13:24 | cait | hm i think 1 1 - inclue include |
| 13:24 | or... depens if there are no taxes anymore both woudl work the same i guess :) | |
| 13:25 | * cait | is confused now |
| 13:26 | ashimema | pants.. Sorry I missed that LDAP regression tcohen |
| 13:26 | tcohen | we didn't have that code fully covered by unit tests, regressions can occur |
| 13:27 | cait | dpavlin: around? :) |
| 13:27 | ashimema | I should have spotted it.. it's obvious now I look at it.. but the case didn't even occure to me :( |
| 13:27 | * ashimema | feels like a bad QA'er |
| 13:28 | cait | ashimema: do I have to repeat the hug and cookie thing? :) |
| 13:28 | you are only human | |
| 13:28 | ashimema | lol.. i'm always in acceptance of hugs cait ;) |
| 13:28 | cait | heh |
| 13:28 | tcohen | ashimema: use the mocked ldap object, configured to fail, and make sure it falls back to a successful authentication (create a user you know credentials) |
| 13:28 | cait | *cookie and hug* then |
| 13:29 | ashimema | did dpavlin submit a bug for it yet? |
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| 13:30 | cait | didn't check, only get the bug mail where i am cc at work |
| 13:31 | ashimema: is there a trick to make bug link sin the wiki maybe? | |
| 13:32 | ashimema | hmm.. I could create a template to do it for you cait? |
| 13:33 | would look somthing like {{bug|12345}} in wiki markup.. and would come out as 'bug 12345' with a link on page | |
| 13:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron |
| 13:33 | ashimema | haha.. silly huginn |
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| 13:34 | ashimema | all the template would do is translate to [[url|bug 12345]] dynamically |
| 13:35 | cait | ashimema: that sounds nice :) dokuwiki can do wimilar with interwiki links, so i wondered |
| 13:36 | [[bug>xxxx]] in ours .) | |
| 13:40 | ashimema | there you go.. |
| 13:40 | {{bug|12345}} should now work.. | |
| 13:41 | we could now retrospectively replace all occurences of 'Bug 12345' with the template syntax to get all to link. | |
| 13:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron |
| 13:53 | ashimema | except that regeular expression don't work properly in our mediawiki.. |
| 13:53 | ffs | |
| 13:56 | of course.. it's yet another bug with using mediawiki atop postgres instead of mysql | |
| 13:56 | * ashimema | end rant |
| 13:57 | cait | but the template works nicley in preview |
| 13:57 | ashimema++ | |
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| 13:59 | ashimema | Yeah.. it'll work throughout.. |
| 13:59 | we just can't easily apply it retrospectively.. | |
| 13:59 | inless someone with db access wants to do it for us. ;) | |
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| 14:50 | khall | Joubu: you may want to take a look at bug 12833 |
| 14:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12833 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patron search no longer searches extended attributes |
| 14:51 | tcohen | oleonard++ # taking the time to test patches |
| 14:53 | Joubu | khall: ok, I will try tomorrow |
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| 15:17 | ashimema | @later tell rangi any further comments on testbuilder given yohanns comment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=12603#c13. I'm inclined to leave it for now |
| 15:17 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:17 | 04Bug 12603: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Signed Off , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests | |
| 15:29 | Joubu | bye #koha! |
| 15:35 | cait | bye #koha :) |
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| 16:02 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 16:02 | it's possible to migrate patrons and patrons photos using command line? | |
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| 16:27 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 16:27 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Alto de San Martin, Cordoba City, Argentina is 21.3°C (1:25 PM ART on August 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:28 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 16:28 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 28.9°C (11:50 AM EDT on August 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:31 | tcohen | ewww: http://bmayor.biblio.unc.edu.ar:7090/ |
| 16:33 | cait | oh |
| 16:33 | tcohen | it seems a really bad default configuration! |
| 16:33 | cait | yeah |
| 16:33 | including passwords? | |
| 16:34 | tcohen | shhhh |
| 16:36 | * tcohen | is happy the sru protocol doens't provide a way to write stuff.. |
| 16:37 | cait | some interesting comments too |
| 16:37 | :P | |
| 16:39 | tcohen | DEAD!!! |
| 16:40 | cait | yep hehe |
| 16:40 | gmcharlt | oy |
| 16:41 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:42 | tcohen | the explain file is there just for explaining, right? |
| 16:42 | so people using SRU/SRW know how to query our Zebra server | |
| 16:43 | otherwise, that 2008 dated file should've been modified the last 6 years | |
| 16:43 | ashimema | ack.. I dislike how allot of our unit tests are so picky about the database they are run against! |
| 16:43 | tcohen | ashimema: that is changing |
| 16:43 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 16:44 | tcohen | ashimema: feel positive, now :-D |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt | ashimema: obey the RM! |
| 16:44 | ;) | |
| 16:45 | ashimema | I'm still up and down regarding testbuilder btw.. I kinda want someone else to weigh in.. but I do think in the particular case I'm now getting annoyed about it would have helped prevent it. |
| 16:45 | cait | oleonard++ woohoo thx! |
| 16:45 | ashimema | gmcharlt: not seen you in ages. how goes it? |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | ashimema: busily |
| 16:46 | ashimema | I know that feeling. |
| 16:46 | tcohen | same here |
| 16:47 | ashimema | Hmm.. I tihnk to QA this patch I'm going to have to blow away my test database and start again.. |
| 16:47 | :'( | |
| 16:47 | tcohen | which one? |
| 16:47 | wahanui | which one is probably that? The fixed navbar? |
| 16:48 | ashimema | anyone fancy grabbing bug 11577 and running a prove on db_dependant/Circulation.t |
| 16:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Signed Off , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature |
| 16:48 | cait | i tried, fails for me after 24 |
| 16:48 | ashimema | I can't get the tests to actually reach his changes.. they die long before that due to db constraint failures on my test db. |
| 16:49 | fails after test 15 for me.. or rather.. dies after test 15 rather than fails. | |
| 16:51 | tcohen | oh, dbic needs to be updated to properly test |
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| 16:52 | ashimema | on your system you mean tcohen? |
| 16:52 | It's perfectly understandable that Circulation.t dies on my setup.. the line that dies makes a bunch of assumptions that simply aren't true in my test db. | |
| 16:53 | either we need a definitive test db that we all test against (which I don't really like the idea of).. or we need to build all the data for every test properly on a per test run. | |
| 16:53 | TestBuilder is basically exactly for that me thinks. | |
| 16:55 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/OPSPg.jpg |
| 16:56 | ashimema: jenkins runs on top of kohastructure + all default data chosen on web installer | |
| 16:56 | ashimema | looks like you forgot to run updatedatabase tcohen? |
| 16:56 | tcohen | and also, you might be noticing a bug, on Koha or the tests |
| 16:57 | ashimema | it adds the required auto_renew column ;) |
| 16:57 | tcohen | because there is a $dbh->do('DELETE FROM issues'); |
| 16:57 | line on the first place | |
| 16:57 | ashimema | yeah.. Circulation.t is horrible.. it randomly mangles data into and out of the database all over the shop it seems |
| 16:57 | tcohen | heh, the relevant part was that tests pass on my box |
| 16:58 | ashimema | lol.. I didn't read down far enough.. |
| 16:58 | haha.. thanks. | |
| 16:58 | * ashimema | is happy now :) |
| 16:58 | tcohen | that's why i like wrapping tests inside subtests, |
| 16:58 | with a proper rollback at the end | |
| 16:58 | ashimema | certainly. |
| 16:58 | wahanui | certainly is confusing.. thanks for bringing your attention to it. |
| 16:59 | cait | tcohen: at least we are getting better :) |
| 16:59 | tcohen | exactly :-D |
| 16:59 | ashimema | I'm thinking I'm going to pass TestBuilder now... but may request some other QA'ers weight in too |
| 16:59 | tcohen | we just need a newer libtest-more-perl, or deprecate squeeze :-P |
| 17:00 | * tcohen | tries to start a flame war |
| 17:01 | ashimema | haha... |
| 17:01 | My shib tests use subtests... | |
| 17:02 | I take it that means they will fail on squeeze then :( | |
| 17:04 | tcohen | eythian will build the more recent one soon, don't worry |
| 17:05 | ashimema | what is our policy on adding 'contributing institutions' ? |
| 17:05 | tcohen | Sponsored-by: Institution on the patches? |
| 17:06 | ashimema | this bug adds a line to about.tt with the institution that sponsored this particular bug (it's actually the second bug they've sponsored with the first one already in master) |
| 17:06 | tcohen | i don't think we have a policy for that |
| 17:07 | ashimema | K.. so it 'should' be ok to add it within this bug.. |
| 17:07 | I can't see any real reason why not.. just thought it worth askin in case I'de missed a policy somewhere ;) | |
| 17:07 | tcohen | my opinion would be that those attributions should be release-wise |
| 17:07 | that's why i'm thinking on how to refactor the about page | |
| 17:10 | cait | hm I think it's nice to have history |
| 17:10 | tcohen | cait: me too! |
| 17:10 | cait | and it's all we can offer volunteers |
| 17:10 | having your name there :) | |
| 17:10 | i think it shouldn't go away with new releases - and in this case it's even a library contributing new features | |
| 17:10 | tcohen | i was toying with a version carousel |
| 17:10 | cait | :) |
| 17:11 | jcamins | tcohen: I have a page that can help you with that. |
| 17:11 | tcohen | with all version + release teams |
| 17:11 | ah, eythian showed me one | |
| 17:11 | jcamins | http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/ |
| 17:11 | tcohen | :-P |
| 17:11 | not *that* kind of carousel | |
| 17:12 | just a means to avoid having zillions of tabs for each version | |
| 17:13 | http://snag.gy/SgGM5.jpg | |
| 17:13 | ^^^^^ if I put all versions... it will grow a lot | |
| 17:15 | * tcohen | facepalms about Zebra's SRU explain |
| 17:15 | tcohen | "Unfortunately, the data found in the CQL-to-PQF text file must be added by hand-craft into the explain section of the YAZ Frontend Server configuration file to be able to provide a suitable explain record. Too bad, but this is all extreme new alpha stuff, and a lot of work has yet to be done .." |
| 17:16 | cait | tcohen: is tuesday agreed on for the dev meeting? |
| 17:17 | tcohen | you need to send an email de koha-devel to be sure :-P |
| 17:18 | cait | *hides* |
| 17:39 | tcohen: can you delegate on someone else? | |
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| 17:42 | ashimema | ok.. properly stupid question here.. |
| 17:43 | how does the dbh->rollback call work? | |
| 17:44 | This test script is full of calls to things like AddIssue.. will just a dbh->rollback at the end of the test file also roll back those actions? | |
| 17:44 | and if now.. should that be a fail ? | |
| 17:49 | tcohen | ashimema: it rolls the db changes back |
| 17:50 | for example addissue changes | |
| 17:50 | ashimema: note that AUTO_INCREMENT will keep growing even on rollback | |
| 17:50 | ashimema | great.. |
| 17:51 | so it works more comprehensively than I thought.. | |
| 17:51 | I couldn't see anything in the script that sets the start of a transaction to rollback to.. I must have just missed that somehow. | |
| 17:52 | tcohen.. you can ignore most of the last comment I make on bug 11577 then.. | |
| 17:52 | :) | |
| 17:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11577 new feature, P5 - low, ---, h.meissner.82, Passed QA , [ENH] Automatic renewal feature |
| 17:53 | tcohen | :) |
| 17:53 | cait: did my email hit koha-devel? | |
| 17:55 | cait | yep just now |
| 17:55 | oleonard-away | I got a dev meeting one if that's what you mean tcohen |
| 17:55 | cait | ashimema++ :) |
| 17:55 | tcohen | yes, thanks oleonard |
| 17:56 | ashimema | right.. think I need khall to clarify what his followup to TestBuilder achieves.. then I 'think' I'm happy passing that one too.. |
| 18:02 | cait | khall_away: |
| 18:02 | * cait | tries her new super power |
| 18:02 | cait | khall_away |
| 18:02 | wahanui | i guess khall_away is familiar with DBIx::Class too, so he probably would know what to do |
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| 18:51 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 19:00 | indradg | evening #koha |
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| 19:01 | indradg | @seen mtompset |
| 19:01 | huginn | indradg: mtompset was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 27 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <mtompset> Have a great day, #koha. |
| 19:06 | indradg | hi all, I need a suggestion - bug 12815 needs TT plugin include in the intranet template i.e. [%- USE Koha -&] |
| 19:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12815 enhancement, P3, ---, indradg, Needs Signoff , Adding browser based multi-lingual jquery.ime input method support to Koha |
| 19:07 | indradg | the part of the patch for the staff client *depends* on that plugin being included. How do I proceed? |
| 19:08 | jcamins | indradg: you put the patch adding the [% USE Koha %] line on that bug before the patch that adds your functionality to the staff client. |
| 19:09 | indradg: actually, I just looked at your patch, and I don't see why you can't just add [% USE Koha %] at the top of doc-head-close. | |
| 19:10 | In that same patch. | |
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| 19:11 | indradg | jcamins: I can do that, but from what I saw, everywhere it was added it was inside a .tt file |
| 19:12 | jcamins | Did you try just adding it to the .inc file |
| 19:12 | *? | |
| 19:12 | Because I can think of no reason it wouldn't work, and adding one line to one file is preferable to adding one line to hundreds of files. | |
| 19:14 | indradg | jcamins: thats was what I did originally and yes that had worked |
| 19:14 | jcamins | Yeah, that's fine. When you asked me before, it sounded like you were planning on adding the line to every single file, which is why I said you needed to make it a separate patch. |
| 19:16 | indradg | aah |
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| 20:22 | rangi | @later tell ashimema yep, saw the comment, still think our own db astraction layer for testing is a step back not forwards, will promote less understanding of the db structure not more |
| 20:22 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:34 | andrew_ | Hi. Does anybody have any idea on how to do a batch write-off of fines? |
| 20:37 | * andrew_ | slaps andrew_ around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 20:38 | cait | andrew_: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:38 | andrew_ | We are trying to eliminate all the fines for all current patrons |
| 20:39 | something better than manually going through and forgiving each individual fine | |
| 20:39 | cait | hm you could do it with sql, i think not from the staff interface currently |
| 20:39 | what is the reason you eliminate them? | |
| 20:39 | andrew_ | I've been working on doing it through sql for the past 5 hours. |
| 20:41 | We are a school library so if books were checked out before the summer they accrued fines during the summer. We wanted to clear them and start over for the school year | |
| 20:41 | cait | is this a production system? or just getting started? |
| 20:41 | andrew_ | This is production |
| 20:41 | cait | hm ok |
| 20:42 | andrew_ | The changes I have been making have been very minor and in a vm so I have sufficient backup protection should something go wrong |
| 20:42 | cait | for migations i woudl have suggested deleting the lines, but htat's not very clean |
| 20:42 | andrew_ | yeah. |
| 20:42 | cait | another suggestion to speed things up a bit |
| 20:43 | write a report for the users with fines and into the report put a link to patron acount fine page | |
| 20:43 | that way you can wlak through them faster | |
| 20:44 | maybe you can even craft a link to the waive fines thing | |
| 20:44 | andrew_ | thats possible but the head librarian doesn't want to take that route. He wanted it automated if all possible. |
| 20:44 | cait | i think the other thing would be to write a little program to do it |
| 20:44 | how many students have fines? | |
| 20:45 | also have you thought about how to prevent for next year? | |
| 20:46 | andrew_ | Around 70 and no. I just got this position this year and havne't been doing much more than trying to maintain what we have |
| 20:46 | and figure out how koha works | |
| 20:47 | cait | i'd suggest doing it manually - 70 is less than an hour with a report and opening the links in a tab... and so on |
| 20:47 | probably | |
| 20:48 | and then for next school year, prevent fines to accrue during summer | |
| 20:48 | there are ways to make sure hte due date falls into the new school year | |
| 20:48 | andrew_ | ok |
| 20:48 | cait | but: if hte student hasn't returned the book yet, I am not sure, but i think the fine might accrue again over night - i'd check that |
| 20:49 | andrew_ | that was one problem I ran into |
| 20:49 | cait | it gets recalculated - over night or on return |
| 20:49 | andrew_ | I can change all of the fines to 0 but then as soon as I manually run the script it redoes it |
| 20:49 | cait | so you also need to renew I tink |
| 20:50 | there is also a preference that will recalculate the fne from the due date on return... that could give you trouble too | |
| 20:50 | andrew_ | I also figured out how to do that, but the library staff wants to know if someone still has an overdue book but just not charge fines on it. It is possible but involves manually going through and paying all the fines for that book. |
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| 20:51 | andrew_ | I found that when you go in koha and writeoff a fine it adds a new entry in the database that just says write off and has the amount but I havne' figured out how it knows what it is paying of because the item number is null |
| 20:52 | and thats where I got stuck and started googling like crazy till i just came here | |
| 20:52 | cait | i think it will also change the amountoutstanding of the fine |
| 20:52 | entry | |
| 20:52 | but that won't fix your reappearing fines problem i think | |
| 20:52 | andrew_ | nope |
| 20:53 | I already tried it :) | |
| 20:53 | cait | hm. |
| 20:54 | sorry - not having a good idea right now | |
| 20:54 | andrew_ | oh its fine. |
| 20:54 | cait | i'd suggest honestly to just waive the fines on return of the books |
| 20:54 | andrew_ | ok |
| 20:55 | I guess I just figured that there had to be someone else somewhere who wanted to forgive all fines one time but I guess not. | |
| 20:55 | cait | waiving fines on books the patron still has is the tricky part i think |
| 20:55 | without reneweing | |
| 20:55 | andrew_ | agreed |
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| 20:57 | andrew_ | Well thanks for your help. I guess I'd better go and get working on them |
| 20:57 | cait | sorry to be not more helpful |
| 20:57 | andrew_ | its fine. :) |
| 21:13 | WNickC | just randomly, does anyone happen to know what impact, if any, opening a library as a Z39.50 source has on system performance? |
| 21:13 | ashimema | time for bed.. |
| 21:14 | night #koha | |
| 21:14 | WNickC | I mean I suppose it depends on use |
| 21:14 | cait | hm would think so |
| 21:14 | not sure, we haven't been asked to do that so far | |
| 21:15 | WNickC | just noticing that all our incoming sources are INNOPAC or HORIZON |
| 21:15 | would be nice to see us pulling from other Koha users | |
| 21:15 | or maybe I am being idealistic | |
| 21:16 | cait | :) |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | WNickC: it's negliglble. |
| 21:16 | negligible* | |
| 21:16 | cait | hi wizzyrea - and (belated) happy birthday! |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | and yeah, depends on usage |
| 21:16 | :) thanks :) | |
| 21:16 | cait | WNickC: i think the reason we didn't get asked to is that the records are in the union catalog and that offers a z3950 |
| 21:17 | maybe some of the bigger consortias offer z3950 to their koha systems? | |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | NExpress does I think |
| 21:17 | we have a Crown Research Institute that offers one | |
| 21:17 | it's made no apparent impact on the performance of the system | |
| 21:17 | WNickC | oh, maybe I should ask NExpress then since we are both Bywater |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | can't hurt, just email heather |
| 21:18 | WNickC | we all shared a bunch of our sources at NAKUG, but none of us shared our own |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | she'll know if it's public or not. |
| 21:18 | WNickC | and she'll know if Larry endorses the idea or nit |
| 21:18 | bag | ha |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | Larry can be convinced |
| 21:18 | >.> | |
| 21:18 | cait | ah here is bag :) |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | hi bag. |
| 21:18 | cait | i was about to suggest to ask bywater if they know of libraires with activated z39.50 :) |
| 21:19 | bag | hey cait and wizzyrea |
| 21:19 | yeah we have quite a few that are opened up | |
| 21:19 | * wizzyrea | suspects bag has an alert on the word bywater |
| 21:19 | bag | yup |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | bywater bywater bywater bywater |
| 21:19 | WNickC | yeah, I just wnated to see if it was common or not before asking consortia and then Bywater |
| 21:19 | bag | HI HI HI HI wizzyrea |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | BING BING BING BING |
| 21:19 | :) | |
| 21:19 | It's early and the sun is shining! | |
| 21:20 | well early, 9:30 | |
| 21:20 | not that early. | |
| 21:20 | WNickC | thanks all |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | gl WNickC |
| 21:20 | bag | BTW WNickC vokal has their z3950 open |
| 21:20 | cait | yay vokal |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | oh vokal I should have thought of them too. |
| 21:20 | WNickC | I thought we did, but I don't think we publicize it anywhere |
| 21:20 | * wizzyrea | has too many libraries stuffed into her head now |
| 21:21 | WNickC | was really thinking it would be nice to have a list of open z39.50s for koha |
| 21:21 | bag | yeah WNickC is from Vokal |
| 21:21 | WNickC | cover=blown |
| 21:21 | bag | hmm I think we may have started a list on the wiki awhile ago? not sure |
| 21:22 | WNickC | I didn't see one |
| 21:24 | bag | I thought it was somewhere like this page http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]sers/NorthAmerica |
| 21:24 | but I'm an wrong | |
| 21:25 | if you want a nice list of Z3950 targets - I use this a bunch http://irspy.indexdata.com/ | |
| 21:25 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 21:25 | bag | magnuse: HI THERE |
| 21:25 | wahanui | hi, bag |
| 21:26 | WNickC | bag: yeah, I like IRSpy, just thought it would be nice to have some Koha targets specifically |
| 21:26 | like in solidarity or somthing? | |
| 21:26 | bag | yup |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | Could just make a wiki page |
| 21:28 | or add to that one but I don't see why it has to be US only | |
| 21:29 | WNickC | yeah, I think I might do that |
| 21:30 | bag | wizzyrea: I just clicked on a link - didn't want to make it only US :) if you go back one page - it's all broken out |
| 21:31 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_Users_Worldwide | |
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| 21:53 | wizzyrea | yeah that's probably a better place :) |
| 21:55 | actually I'd rather either make sure our targets are listed in irspy | |
| 21:55 | or have our own equivalent to irspy. | |
| 21:55 | but probably 1, nobody needs another place to look. | |
| 21:58 | WNickC | well, I put this there http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]en_Z39.50_Sources |
| 21:59 | making web pretty, not my skillset | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | :) nice one |
| 22:13 | WNickC | thx |
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| 22:43 | eythian | hi |
| 22:43 | wahanui | niihau, eythian |
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| 23:07 | eythian | @later tell cait http://youtu.be/zcOhrtAFc-Y <-- things are different in Germany eh |
| 23:07 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:20 | eythian | dcook: would enabling QueryParser cause non-advanced searches to stop working? |
| 23:34 | * dcook | ponders |
| 23:34 | dcook | In the OPAC or the staff client? |
| 23:34 | In the OPAC, no - non-advanced searches should work | |
| 23:34 | In the staff client, I have noticed that non-advanced searches don't seem to work in 3.14.5 | |
| 23:35 | Unsure if that's a bug or something broken on my end though. | |
| 23:35 | eythian^ | |
| 23:40 | * dcook | stalks gmcharlt's LJ mover and shaker page |
| 23:40 | dcook | Just realized LJ could be LiveJournal or Library Journal. Hmmm |
| 23:45 | eythian | dcook: this is 3.12.10 ('s ok, we're planning an upgrade RSN :) |
| 23:46 | > Enabling UseQueryParser breaks all searching in opac and simple search in intra unless a field is manually specified | |
| 23:47 | dcook | Hmm. Could be. |
| 23:47 | I noticed it seemed to break simple search in 3.14.5 in intra | |
| 23:48 | Although opac seemed ok | |
| 23:48 | But... maybe I'm imagining that about the opac | |
| 23:48 | I shut it down pretty fast as it wasn't working well enough | |
| 23:48 | eythian | Ah right |
| 23:48 | * dcook | would so love people to give him some money to improve QP |
| 23:48 | eythian | the issue here is that there are some advanced searches that don't work without query parser, but show up anyway (which strikes me as bad) |
| 23:49 | dcook | mmm, those subject ones, eh? |
| 23:49 | eythian | yeah |
| 23:49 | dcook | Yeah, that drives me a bit nuts |
| 23:49 | eythian | su-br and su-na etc |
| 23:49 | dcook | You might notice that one of them does work |
| 23:49 | su-na is nasty | |
| 23:49 | As it's actually defined in ccl.properties as well | |
| 23:49 | For a totally different purpose | |
| 23:49 | eythian | ick |
| 23:49 | dcook | yarp |
| 23:50 | I think they could work without queryparser, if ccl.properties were updated | |
| 23:50 | I think it's PQF.pm or something that manually adds those aliases/indexes into the QP config | |
| 23:50 | No idea why that's happening but could be remedied fairly easily (I think) | |
| 23:50 | Although that su-na thing is...just ick | |
| 23:51 | eythian | yeah, that needs to be renamed |
| 23:51 | dcook | yep |
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| 23:56 | eythian | oh yeah, I have package building to do |
| 23:58 | dcook | 3.14.3? |
| 23:59 | eythian | yeah |
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