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| 00:19 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:27 | dcook | BobB, irma, mtj: I don't know what you folks use for your LibrariesAustralia database value, but head's up that the legacy value "ANY" is no longer supported. |
| 00:27 | Well, the uppercase version that is. "any" still works although I imagine you might be using the new "Bibliographic" label anyway | |
| 00:28 | Ah right...moving office... | |
| 00:35 | Argh...that moment when you can't find that code snippet that you remember writing a month or so ago... | |
| 00:35 | Oh wait, there it is | |
| 00:35 | \o/ | |
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| 01:48 | dcook | Hmm...has anyone had a case where DataTables were showing duplicate rows even though the data in the database isn't duplicated? |
| 01:48 | Specifically in reports... | |
| 01:50 | mtj | hmm, not me dcook |
| 01:51 | hay, you might like this for snippets -> http://lifehacker.com/5938721/[…]-to-all-platforms | |
| 01:51 | dcook | Hmm, I do ponder better ways of saving notes... |
| 01:52 | Yeah, the DataTable thing is weird. It's only a few rows :S | |
| 01:53 | Ah, I mi ght have it figured.. | |
| 01:54 | They're duplicated if they have a report_group | |
| 01:54 | Well that's not nice... | |
| 01:57 | What the ever living... | |
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| 02:37 | * wizzyrea | gets the popcorn |
| 02:39 | eythian | There's not even a movie on. |
| 02:39 | * dcook | promises not to rage out in hollywood fashion |
| 02:39 | dcook | Oooh I do have junk food too though... |
| 02:46 | I dislike tables... | |
| 02:47 | (or that everyone doesn't use huge monitors :P) | |
| 02:58 | They don't look very good in Koha | |
| 02:59 | If you have a smaller screen, they'll routinely hang out over the right edge | |
| 02:59 | :/ | |
| 02:59 | But...there's so much data that it's tough to do really use anything narrower | |
| 03:00 | I suppose the thing is to probably expand the div behind the table so it doesn't hang out...but still requires scrolling | |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | that is a problem that lots of webapps struggle with |
| 03:01 | just hard to deal with very old/low-res monitors | |
| 03:01 | dcook | Well, anything with a narrower screen |
| 03:02 | But I doubt that many people use a tablet with the admin interface | |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]itions-on-an-ipad |
| 03:03 | dcook | lol |
| 03:03 | Yarp | |
| 03:06 | pianohacker | and yet someone likely does... http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:07 | dcook | pianohacker: I think about that all the time... |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | https://38.media.tumblr.com/da[…]1rrx588o1_400.gif < my actual response |
| 03:07 | dcook | :( |
| 03:07 | hehe | |
| 03:07 | I like that liz | |
| 03:08 | I suppose the issue I'm facing is more so with the tab than the table I suppose... | |
| 03:09 | Because scrolling isn't that bad | |
| 03:09 | But it hanging out over the tab is...ugly as | |
| 03:15 | I can't imagine sticking this in my eye: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-[…]-monitor-diabetes | |
| 03:16 | I suppose even if we did 'see' everything in our vision...we'd probably use windows and you'd have narrow windows in your vision (so you could view data tables while driving...) | |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | lol wow |
| 03:18 | I don't even know what to do with that last | |
| 03:18 | dcook | hehe, which? |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | windows in your contact lenses |
| 03:21 | dcook | Well, windows in the display.. |
| 03:21 | :P | |
| 03:22 | windows though...not Windows | |
| 03:22 | * dcook | shudders at the thought |
| 03:28 | dcook | Ugh...yui... |
| 03:34 | yui-- | |
| 03:35 | web-- | |
| 03:35 | All right. I'm done grumping about the internet :p | |
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| 04:10 | pianohacker | bye all |
| 05:15 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:17 | dcook | heya cait :) |
| 05:18 | cait | morning |
| 05:25 | dcook | Figured out that duplicate datatable row thing with reports |
| 05:25 | Turns out if you have duplicate values in REPORT_GROUP, you also get duplicate rows in the Saved reports DataTables... | |
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| 06:10 | ashimema | evening dcook |
| 06:11 | * cait | waves |
| 06:11 | ashimema | cait, you are up entirely too many hours of the day. |
| 06:16 | dcook | heya ashimema |
| 06:16 | wahanui | well, ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 06:17 | ashimema | You've been wrangling allot of late dcook.. |
| 06:17 | nice work | |
| 06:17 | dcook | Wrangling? |
| 06:17 | cait | ashimema: hmpf? |
| 06:17 | dcook | I'm not sure what you mean, but thanks :) |
| 06:19 | ashimema | i've had a steady stream of bugzilla comments coming in from you of late dcook.. |
| 06:20 | cait, I poped in after the pub last night at midnight.. just to turn the pc off.. and of course.. you were here talking to rangi. | |
| 06:20 | your always online.. it's impressive | |
| 06:20 | * cait | feels guilty now |
| 06:20 | cait | it just means i don't have a life i guess |
| 06:22 | well, or at least a weird one | |
| 06:23 | ashimema++ thx for the link :) | |
| 06:24 | dcook | cait: Perhaps just a weird one, but I'm not one to point fingers :p |
| 06:24 | ashimema: Ah, right. Yep, I've been a loudmouth lately :p. | |
| 06:25 | ashimema | haha.. all good. |
| 06:25 | though I did find your thoughts on authentication interesting.. | |
| 06:25 | you did an about turn in the middle | |
| 06:25 | 'ack, the authentication system is awful it needs a re-write' | |
| 06:26 | 'lets make a series of bugs to work toward that' | |
| 06:26 | 'hang on, this code isn't so bad afterall' | |
| 06:26 | 'damned if i want to do the re-write' | |
| 06:26 | ;) | |
| 06:26 | auth.pm does need some polishing I agree, btw.. but at least it works at the momoent ;) | |
| 06:32 | dcook | hahaha |
| 06:32 | Yep | |
| 06:32 | Admittedly, I don't know if auth.pm is so bad | |
| 06:32 | I think checkauth() needs better documentation though | |
| 06:32 | Which...I might get to one of these days | |
| 06:33 | I actually did a local patch to add authentication via OpenID Connect | |
| 06:33 | ashimema | our code commenting is generally pretty aweful to be frank. ;) |
| 06:33 | cait | i am more bothered that not everything is using it |
| 06:33 | like sip | |
| 06:33 | ashimema | so yeah, I'd agree that checkauth needs documenting properly |
| 06:33 | dcook | I should maybe looka t SIP one day.. |
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| 06:33 | dcook | ashimema: And a more extensible mechanism for adding new types of auth |
| 06:34 | ashimema | SIP.. yuk |
| 06:34 | cait | bug 9936 |
| 06:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/Auth.pm for user authentication |
| 06:34 | dcook | I'm thinking of adding in some of my changes, and using re-factoring Persona a bit to fit it into that model... |
| 06:34 | ashimema | yeah, making it more modular from the ground up would certainly be nice.. |
| 06:34 | dcook | I don't know if I'll include my OpenID Connect stuff though...it's not very good |
| 06:34 | cait | lol |
| 06:35 | you shouldn't say that with qa people in the room | |
| 06:35 | ashimema | but at least there are a fairly standard set of 'hacks' to plug into it.. auth_with_... |
| 06:35 | that would be good dcook. | |
| 06:35 | it would be nice to see openID in.. | |
| 06:36 | dcook | Well, OpenID Connect is a wrapper for OAuth2.0 |
| 06:36 | cait | bbiab |
| 06:36 | ashimema | oh.. I see.. |
| 06:36 | dcook | When they said OpenID it threw me for a loop at first because it wasn't OpenID :S |
| 06:36 | ashimema | didn't realise that. |
| 06:36 | dcook | Yeah, it's a bit weird |
| 06:36 | see ya, cait :) | |
| 06:36 | good luck! | |
| 06:36 | Soo with "Auth_with...", I assume that we're using Koha's login form as the main login point | |
| 06:36 | ashimema | i use my shibboleth work to support a cheeky pass through for openID. |
| 06:37 | dcook | Then we do a remote call to the authentication server then do things in Koha? |
| 06:37 | hehe | |
| 06:37 | ashimema | that is correct. |
| 06:37 | dcook | Cool beans |
| 06:37 | I suppose it would be nice to use Koha::Authen::XXX instead of C4::Auth_with_, but... | |
| 06:37 | ashimema | though with shibboleth, you can set the login location to pretty much any page (including the main page) in the virtualhost |
| 06:37 | so it doesn't really matter | |
| 06:38 | dcook | O_o |
| 06:38 | You can only login from certain pages? | |
| 06:38 | ashimema | yeah, it would certialy be nice to have a Koha::Auth:: |
| 06:38 | yeah, it would certialy be nice to have a Koha::Authen::.. your right | |
| 06:39 | shibboleth is a strange thing.. you can login from anywhere.. including some website totally unrelated to koha ;).. or even not a website at all ;) | |
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| 06:39 | dcook | I've just started doing a Koha::Prosentient::XX, so hopefully it'll be easier to keep custom code separate, plus make it a bit easier to upstream later...as I'll just need to change the package name in the module and the scripts that use it |
| 06:39 | ashimema: That does sound strange :p | |
| 06:40 | I would do more with your patches but not having any work locally with it makes it a bit tougher | |
| 06:40 | My desire to improve Search is both selfish and altruistic ;) | |
| 06:40 | ashimema | We have a customer using shibboleth where they simply login to their computer in the morning.. and that's it. |
| 06:40 | dcook | O_o |
| 06:40 | ashimema | ALL other stuff they use is already althenticated.. including Koha ;) |
| 06:40 | dcook | Whoa |
| 06:41 | That's interesting! | |
| 06:41 | ashimema | indeed.. shibboleth is in fact all kinds of awesome... |
| 06:41 | when it works. | |
| 06:42 | I'd love to have the time to put into search.. | |
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| 06:42 | dcook | Me too, haha |
| 06:42 | I feel like I'm getting closer to understanding it though... | |
| 06:42 | ashimema | I still think Zebra could be awesome.. if we used it right. |
| 06:42 | dcook | Not just the code but the concept |
| 06:42 | Agreed | |
| 06:43 | As time goes on, I actually have fewer and fewer quams with Zebra | |
| 06:43 | qualms* | |
| 06:43 | ashimema | and yeah.. making search much more modular at the core.. that would also be a prime directive.. |
| 06:43 | dcook | Totes |
| 06:43 | ashimema | but alas.. that's a massive amount of work.. and I now have a compleete re-write of a product on my plate already. |
| 06:43 | dcook | At the moment though, I mostly want to fix what I see as most broken |
| 06:43 | Oh? | |
| 06:43 | What re-write are you staring at? | |
| 06:44 | I think the testing, perhaps, is the most amount of work | |
| 06:44 | Making sure not to screw with people's sense of search reality...also a lot of work | |
| 06:44 | ashimema | It's a reading list solution we are punting here.. closed source for now unfortunately.. |
| 06:44 | dcook | Reading list? |
| 06:44 | ashimema | mind you.. the current code is so bad that I wouldn't want to burden it on anyone. |
| 06:44 | dcook | haha |
| 06:44 | I know that feeling... | |
| 06:45 | If only I knew two years ago what I knew now... | |
| 06:45 | Mind you, I'm sure I'll feel that way in two years time | |
| 06:45 | I wonder if your reading list solution is similar to some code I worked on? | |
| 06:45 | ashimema | I'm using the original as a prototype.. even though we have loads of customers on it already.. and am re-writing the whole thing in perl from scratch. |
| 06:45 | haha.. maybe. | |
| 06:46 | dcook | My feature basically checks for recently catalogued books, checks against an "interest" that the patron has specified, and then emails them with a list of resources that might interest them |
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| 06:46 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:46 | ashimema | I hope to talk the powers that be into open sourcing it once I've got some of the ground work done.. they seem mildly optimistic about doing that. |
| 06:46 | dcook | Apparently the client likes it, but I'd like to improve it... |
| 06:46 | fridolin | hie all |
| 06:46 | dcook | yo reiveune, fridolin |
| 06:47 | ashimema: That's awesome :) | |
| 06:47 | fridolin | hie dcook |
| 06:47 | ashimema | nah.. this is a system for creating and managing reading lists.. mostly for academic libraries at the moment.. |
| 06:47 | it's been really popular. | |
| 06:47 | hi fridolin | |
| 06:47 | dcook | So reading lists as in...lists of readings that students need to do? |
| 06:48 | Sorry. It's nearly 5. I'm a bit slow :p | |
| 06:48 | fridolin | hie ashimema |
| 06:48 | ashimema | indeed. |
| 06:48 | dcook | Cool beans :) |
| 06:48 | ashimema | https://cumbria.rebuslist.com/ |
| 06:48 | for an example. | |
| 06:50 | * dcook | isn't seeing the introductory guide :( |
| 06:50 | ashimema | it looks nice form the user perspective.. but underneath it's like a low budget horror movie ;) |
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| 06:50 | ashimema | lol.. |
| 06:50 | dcook | haha |
| 06:50 | ashimema | I hadn't noticed that.. |
| 06:50 | silly customer. | |
| 06:51 | dcook | Something to be said for looking nice from the user perspective though |
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| 06:51 | dcook | I wish more of my stuff looked nice |
| 06:51 | I have a friend who is a graphic designer. I should pick up some tips from him about what looks nice | |
| 06:51 | He's hilarious. He'll show me a piece of artwork and say "Oh, this is horrible", and it's something I could never ever possibly dream of creating | |
| 06:51 | ashimema | my aim is to take the visual queue from the current implimentation.. but achieve it using bootstrap or foundation or similar |
| 06:51 | dcook | Creative people... |
| 06:52 | Mmm, yeah, I like that visual bit | |
| 06:52 | ashimema | http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ |
| 06:52 | recognise anything ;) | |
| 06:53 | The guy that developed it for us shamelessly ripped off the bbc's style and claimed it as his own.. | |
| 06:54 | even managed to fool my boss into thinking it was all his own original thought | |
| 06:54 | ;) | |
| 06:55 | dcook | How 'bout that... |
| 06:55 | For a second, I thought you were going to say that you were the guy in the Marilyn Monroe photo ;) | |
| 06:55 | Took me a couple of seconds before I was pretty sure that wasn't what you meant :p | |
| 06:56 | I actually saw some students on the bus this morning copying each other's homework | |
| 06:56 | I guess some things don't change? | |
| 06:57 | ashimema | haha. |
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| 07:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:14 | fridolin1 | re |
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| 07:44 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:46 | dcook | yo cait ;) |
| 07:46 | * dcook | should run... |
| 07:46 | dcook | For a bus :) |
| 07:53 | I think I had a brainwave for bug 12477 | |
| 07:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12477 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , We need better ways to manage MARC Frameworks |
| 07:53 | dcook | Data from the MARC spec in one XML file...Koha data in an XSLT...transform the XML using the Koha XSLT to create a "Koha MARC Framework" |
| 07:54 | Most of the data in the end will only need default values of blank or null... which should mean it would be easier to manage exceptions in the XSLT | |
| 07:55 | It would still mostly just be useful for creating frameworks for new instances...as you don't want to automatically update existing frameworks (yet)... | |
| 07:55 | But I can work on that update idea later | |
| 07:55 | * dcook | 's head buzzes |
| 07:56 | dcook | Time to go drink wine! |
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| 08:41 | cait | ashimema: still around? |
| 08:42 | ashimema | I am.. |
| 08:42 | cait | ..? :) |
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| 09:13 | * ashimema | is starting to get the hang of shibboleth... multi-tenant shibboleth upon multi-tenant koha from packages.. tick |
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| 10:23 | cait | matts: around? |
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| 12:07 | matts | cait, yep, around |
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| 12:10 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 12:15 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:19 | nengard | hiya oleonard |
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| 12:20 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:20 | wahanui | somebody said morning was a state of the cait |
| 12:20 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:29 | magnuse: have you tried changing normarc to unimarc in those lines? | |
| 12:29 | sorry, in this file: normarc-retrieval-info-auth-dom.xml | |
| 12:30 | it seems that there isn't a 'normarc' marc_def for authorities | |
| 12:31 | which makes sense if there aren't normarc authorities | |
| 12:37 | magnuse | yup, there is no normarc format for authorities |
| 12:38 | i just created a brand new instance on the same server, and searching works for that instance | |
| 12:38 | so now i just have to figure out what the difference between the upgraded instance and the fresh one is... | |
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| 12:41 | tcohen | it is important to spot it |
| 12:43 | cait | magnuse++ .) |
| 12:44 | magnuse | well, the obvious thing is that the old one is grs1 and the new one is dom, but grs1 ought to still work, i guess? |
| 12:44 | tcohen | it is deprecated, but it should work |
| 12:45 | magnuse | yeah |
| 12:45 | cait | hm not officially deprecated i think :) |
| 12:46 | tcohen | "not default" heh |
| 12:46 | cait | something we can deprecate next dev meeting heh |
| 12:46 | i like deprecating thigns | |
| 12:46 | tcohen | we can deprecate it as long as we provide some grs1->dom scripts for moving people |
| 12:47 | magnuse | for the packages, there should be some way to upgrade koha-conf.xml |
| 12:47 | deprecate all the things! | |
| 12:47 | cait | magnuse: yep1 |
| 12:47 | * tcohen | fears get deprecated |
| 12:47 | ashimema | +1 to depricating stuff |
| 12:47 | cait | tcohen: no worries :) |
| 12:48 | i have added a card to the trello | |
| 12:48 | magnuse | the <config> part of koha-conf.xml is much shorter in the old file versus the new one |
| 12:48 | cait | someone please tell me ot go make slides? |
| 12:48 | magnuse | kf? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | hmmm... kf is very interested in accessibility |
| 12:48 | ashimema | so the trello stuff did take off then |
| 12:48 | magnuse | kf? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | kf? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | it has been said that kf is very interested in accessibility |
| 12:48 | magnuse | kf? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | kf? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | i think kf is very interested in accessibility |
| 12:48 | cait | slides? |
| 12:48 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 12:48 | cait | ;) |
| 12:48 | magnuse | ah! |
| 12:48 | tcohen | cait: go make slides now |
| 12:48 | oleonard | wahanui never said anything about cait though |
| 12:48 | wahanui | oleonard: what? |
| 12:49 | magnuse | true |
| 12:49 | tcohen | cait? |
| 12:49 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
| 12:49 | magnuse | but some of us suspect kf and cait of being one and the same person |
| 12:49 | tcohen | no no |
| 12:49 | make slides | |
| 12:49 | magnuse | have you ever seen them in a room together? |
| 12:51 | cait | lol |
| 12:51 | @seen kf | |
| 12:51 | huginn | cait: kf was last seen in #koha 21 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <kf> bye all :) |
| 12:51 | ashimema | tcohen.. are the trello boards public anywhere.. I'd be interested in keeping up with current development too ;) |
| 12:51 | tcohen | they are |
| 12:52 | i've just addded you :-D | |
| 12:52 | ashimema | aha.. you just added me.. |
| 12:52 | thnaks ;) | |
| 12:53 | magnuse | i can haz added too? |
| 12:53 | * magnuse | is curious |
| 12:53 | magnuse | or is it just for qa? |
| 12:54 | tcohen | you're banned magnuse |
| 12:54 | magnuse: should i use your gmail address? | |
| 12:55 | cait | matts: still around? was at lunch |
| 12:56 | magnuse | yeah, please ban my gmail address ;-) |
| 12:57 | matts | hello cait |
| 12:57 | yep, still there | |
| 12:57 | cait | just wnated to ask about the cas server |
| 12:57 | :) | |
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| 13:01 | * magnuse | wonders how hard it would be to create a script that can read an old koha-conf.xml and generate a new one with values from the old one + defaults or placeholders or something for the new one |
| 13:01 | druthb | magnuse: Since it's in XML, that shouldn't be too hard. |
| 13:02 | matts | cait, yep, I saw your email, and at first look, it's a pretty unusual error message to me |
| 13:02 | I didn't have a chance to look at it precisely | |
| 13:02 | cait | matts: unusual is not good |
| 13:02 | druthb | Parse the XML into a hash, check to see if the values you need to add are already in there (do nothing if so), and then add what's needed. |
| 13:02 | cait | but you saw the mail, i will just wait for you to get t it |
| 13:02 | * magnuse | thinks druthb just volunteered ;-) |
| 13:02 | druthb | nope. |
| 13:02 | magnuse | dang :-) |
| 13:02 | matts | cait, indeed, it's not :) I'll try to have a closer look at it soon |
| 13:03 | druthb | I've been doing that sort of thing in JSON, here at cPanel. |
| 13:03 | cait | matts: i won't have that server much longer - so was hoping to get it done soonish :) |
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| 13:04 | matts | cait, ok, I hopefully will be able to look at it soon |
| 13:04 | cait | matts: i had rented it for aworkshop, i think maybe another 4 weeks, but have to find out the exact date |
| 13:07 | magnuse | hm, is koha-conf.xml updated when you do "make upgrade" (or whatever it is called) on a dev install? |
| 13:07 | i know other config-files are updated, but maybe not koha-conf.xml? | |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 13:08 | Rewritten, actually. | |
| 13:08 | magnuse | cool |
| 13:08 | jcamins | So you can't change the password by hand then expect it to work after a make upgrade. |
| 13:08 | ashimema | indeed |
| 13:08 | magnuse | might be possible to reuse that for the packages then? |
| 13:09 | ashimema | I've thought about that issue a umber of times magnuse. |
| 13:09 | magnuse | cool |
| 13:09 | ashimema | I'de rather not 'clobber' config really.. |
| 13:09 | magnuse | yeah, there is some risk involved |
| 13:09 | ashimema | make upgrade copies the old config to a backup, and just writes a new one using the recorded value from first insall time. |
| 13:09 | magnuse | but having lots of different versions of config files is nt good either |
| 13:10 | ah, that is not optimal | |
| 13:10 | ashimema | would be far better to read existing config into hash as you say, then read that back into a new default template during updated instead |
| 13:10 | magnuse | yeah, sounds like a plan |
| 13:11 | ashimema | should be 'relatively' straight froward I would think too.. |
| 13:11 | magnuse | i'll report a bug at least |
| 13:11 | ashimema | though I have no idea how it would fit in with the way debian packages do upgrades.. |
| 13:12 | changing config files during a debian upgrade always seems a bit hit or miss to me.. it's often pretty nasty. | |
| 13:13 | for instance when we added a template koha-sites.conf file to the packages, the upgrade after it wanted to clobber my existing one.. | |
| 13:13 | deb's package manager didn't handle it too well really. | |
| 13:16 | https://www.debian.org/doc/deb[…]kg-conffiles.html | |
| 13:16 | E.2 sounds like what we want | |
| 13:16 | * ashimema | scarpers before someone see's that as volunteering to do it |
| 13:20 | magnuse | Bug 12584 |
| 13:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12584 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-conf.xml for package installations get out of sync |
| 13:20 | jcamins | Wow, nice of ashimena to volunteer! |
| 13:20 | magnuse | yeah, ashimema++ |
| 13:21 | ;-) | |
| 13:21 | * magnuse | knows too little about debian too |
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| 13:22 | magnuse | oh well, time to run |
| 13:22 | ashimema | ;) |
| 13:22 | magnuse | later today i will try and copy the new config to the old instance, change to the proper passwords etc and see if that actually fixes things |
| 13:22 | have fun #koha! | |
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| 13:41 | oleonard | Anyone else getting an error when searching by tag in the OPAC? |
| 13:42 | Can't locate YAML/XS.pm in @INC | |
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| 13:50 | jcamins | oleonard: what's the new validation plugin we're using for e-mails called? |
| 13:51 | oleonard | I don't know about a new e-mail specific validation plugin |
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| 13:52 | jcamins | oleonard: I thought you'd selected a new general-purpose jQuery validation plugin that was also being used for e-mail. |
| 13:52 | oleonard | That is jquery.validate.min.js in the staff client |
| 13:52 | jcamins | *addresses |
| 13:52 | Oh, just jquery.validate? I already knew about that one. Never mind! | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | If it's being used to validate email addresses somewhere I'm not aware of it |
| 13:53 | jcamins | I guess I didn't miss anything. :) |
| 13:56 | Thanks. | |
| 14:00 | tcohen | the importance of LTS: http://bit.ly/1p8hh4T |
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| 14:05 | oleonard | Looks like tag searches in the OPAC don't work with UseQueryParser turned on. |
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| 14:07 | matts | cait, just replied to your email |
| 14:09 | oleonard | jcamins: http://catalog.bywatersolution[…]g=crafts&q=crafts |
| 14:11 | jcamins | oleonard: that's unfortunate. |
| 14:11 | oleonard | :) |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Though I can't help but wonder if perhaps the problem there is that YAML::XS isn't installed. |
| 14:13 | (even though YAML is configured to use it) | |
| 14:13 | Joubu | jcamins: maybe you was thinking about bug 8000? |
| 14:13 | jcamins | (apparently) |
| 14:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Test mode for notices |
| 14:13 | Joubu | Email::Valid, but it's not a js plugin :) |
| 14:13 | jcamins | Joubu: I was, and you're right, that doesn't help on the form input. |
| 14:15 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Search Enhancements: SRU targets and additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> |
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| 14:16 | oleonard | jcamins: Then the question is: If YAML::XS isn't installed but should be, why have I not been prompted to do so? |
| 14:18 | jcamins | oleonard: no idea. |
| 14:19 | Koha doesn't use YAML::XS directly at any point. | |
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| 14:22 | Joubu | oleonard: I don't see any place where YAML::XS would be used |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Joubu: I think it's included by YAML when available. |
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| 14:26 | Joubu | jcamins: hum, ok. |
| 14:27 | oleonard | I filed Bug 12585 if anyone has anything to add -- for instance a patch ;) |
| 14:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12585 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Tag searching broken if QueryParser is turned on |
| 14:27 | Joubu | oleonard: what do you mean by "searching by tag"? If I click on a tag (opac-tags), I get results. And I don't have YAML::XS isntalled |
| 14:27 | oleonard | Is QueryParser on or off Joubu? |
| 14:27 | Joubu | off |
| 14:28 | oleonard: ok, got it | |
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| 14:45 | tcohen | oleonard: grep -R "use YAML" * => no YAML::XS dependency |
| 14:45 | oleonard | You'll have to tell the tag search that :P |
| 14:46 | tcohen | :-P |
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| 14:51 | oleonard | Looks like we need a template plugin for showing patron category |
| 14:53 | Joubu | oleonard: I added one yesterday :) |
| 14:53 | oleonard | \o/ |
| 14:55 | Joubu | oleonard: bug 7380: I used it to display the category dropdown list |
| 14:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7380 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Can't filter patron search on detail page |
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| 15:05 | nengard | I'm going blind, didn't we have a report like this for numerica call numbers? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]all_Number_Prefix |
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| 15:16 | oleonard | everyone++ # for writing commit messages that are so much better than they were in 2007. |
| 15:22 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:43 | jcamins | oleonard: in fact, we don't validate e-mail addresses at all. I hadn't realized that. |
| 15:44 | oleonard | "at all" meaning not on the client side or server side? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Neither. |
| 15:44 | wahanui | it has been said that neither is running out of time and beeing a nolifer because of all the zebra problems... |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I just saved a user with the e-mail address asdlkjsdaflkj or something like that. |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Sine the jquery validation plugin is now included by default in the staff client it would be easy to add email validation |
| 15:51 | What is Email::Valid being used for if not server-side email validation? | |
| 15:56 | jcamins | oleonard: validating e-mails other than ones that I find myself entering, I guess. I didn't do an exhaustive search. |
| 15:57 | I was trying to figure out how I caused a regression without noticing any e-mail address validation. Answer: I didn't. | |
| 16:01 | ashimema | tcohen.. do you need different rights in trello to be able to comment on a card? |
| 16:01 | wonering if commenting is locked for a reason ;) | |
| 16:14 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 16:16 | jcamins | Oh, wow. There is a rumor that Amazon is offering a Netflix-style subscription service for Kindle ebooks. |
| 16:19 | tcohen | ashimema: you need to add yourself to the board |
| 16:19 | i can do it for you, which board? | |
| 16:20 | ashimema | i didn't know you could add yourself.. |
| 16:20 | tcohen | i'm not sure actually |
| 16:20 | ashimema | it's the Zebra /Search re-factoring one i'm interested in at the minute. |
| 16:21 | my feeling is that dcook hasn't got a grasp on where QP fits in ;) | |
| 16:21 | Cheers | |
| 16:21 | tcohen | you're in |
| 16:22 | ashimema | brill.. they appear under my trello more easily now too. |
| 16:22 | Thanks tcohen. | |
| 16:35 | tcohen | thanks to you for joining the discussion actually |
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| 16:52 | tcohen | cait? |
| 16:52 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
| 17:05 | tcohen | I like oleonard's bug-wrangler mode |
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| 17:12 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 17:43 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 17:52 | magnuse | hiya tcohen |
| 17:57 | i tried copying koha-conf.xml from a newly created instance (with working search) to an old, upgraded instance + adjusting the config to account for the instance name, passwords etc. the result was... | |
| 17:57 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "not quite what i was hoping for..." (288 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/106 |
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| 18:02 | tcohen | try elem marcxml |
| 18:03 | base biblios; format xml ; elem marcxml | |
| 18:05 | magnuse | tcohen: ah yes, that works |
| 18:05 | tcohen | :-D |
| 18:06 | magnuse | but searching from koha still does not work |
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| 18:07 | tcohen | new instance + load db dump + koha-rebuild-zebra -f works? |
| 18:07 | magnuse | i'll try... |
| 18:11 | tcohen: yes, that works | |
| 18:11 | so some config somewhere... | |
| 18:12 | tcohen | so db (sysprefs, options) excluded from the checklist |
| 18:17 | magnuse | huh, i tested tht on the wrong instance - the old instance works now... |
| 18:17 | woohoo! | |
| 18:17 | but did i change anything between it working and not? | |
| 18:18 | tcohen | Koha is a box full of surprises, it seems |
| 18:18 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 18:25 | tcohen | oh, carrie still sends me love letters :-P |
| 18:28 | oleonard | Oh no I thought I was the only one! |
| 18:28 | * oleonard | 's heart breaks |
| 18:28 | * tcohen | heart breaks symetrically |
| 18:45 | * magnuse | marks bug 12577 as a duplicate of bug 12584 |
| 18:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12577 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Search is broken after upgrade from 3.14.7 to 3.16.1 |
| 18:45 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12584 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-conf.xml for package installations get out of sync | |
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| 19:58 | cait | hola #koha |
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| 20:04 | barton | where is the environment set for C4::Context among the unit tests? |
| 20:05 | specifically, someone is asking about '$dbh->do("DELETE FROM reserves");' in t/db_dependent/Holds/RevertWaitingStatus.t -- I'm trying to prove to myself that won't delete a live reserves table :-) | |
| 20:06 | cait | i am not sure it has to do with the environment |
| 20:06 | what you are looking for is the rollback | |
| 20:06 | we don't actually commit the changes | |
| 20:06 | and it leeaves the database unchanged | |
| 20:07 | barton | aha. |
| 20:07 | cait | it's a few lines at the beginning of the test file that you are looking for |
| 20:09 | barton | ah, so it's the '$dbh->{AutoCommit} = 0;' that does the magic... or doesn't do the magic, as the case may be. |
| 20:10 | pianohacker | another reason not to do it on a live table is that, from what I've seen, if the test fails for some internal reason, the rollback at the end won't go through |
| 20:10 | so you're playing with fire | |
| 20:11 | rangi | but neither will the commit pianohacker |
| 20:12 | we should be doing start transaction | |
| 20:12 | begin | |
| 20:12 | to be more explicit | |
| 20:12 | but setting autocommit=0 does that implicitly | |
| 20:13 | no changes are committed to disk, unless you do a commit; | |
| 20:13 | pianohacker | rangi: I've seen the changes within the test script go through if there's an internal exception. Granted, it was circ code, so who knows what was going on |
| 20:14 | rangi | wont work if its a non transactional table, like myisam |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | that was probably it |
| 20:14 | cait | and maybe old tests? i think reserves works pretty well |
| 20:15 | tomas fixed suggestion.t that did leavesomething in the database yesterday | |
| 20:15 | but it was not using the autocommit 0 | |
| 20:15 | rangi | yeah some old tests dont to autocommit=0 |
| 20:15 | yeah | |
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| 21:01 | magnuse | wip for a quick fix for bug 12584: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/fix-koha-conf - hope to get the fixmes done tomorrow |
| 21:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12584 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-conf.xml for package installations get out of sync |
| 21:02 | rangi | cool! |
| 21:03 | magnuse | it's very ad hoc, but i hope to be able to upgrade my customers with it, at least |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | oh nice one |
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| 21:11 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
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| 21:50 | WNickC | hello all |
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| 21:50 | WNickC | I was wondering, if I am testing patches in a git clone and run updatedatabse.pl, do I have to do something to revert those changes when moving on to a new patch? |
| 21:51 | cait | WNickC: if you are testing in a clone you can do a mysqldump before running updatedatabase |
| 21:51 | the changes won't get undone | |
| 21:51 | for a syspref it's not a big problem | |
| 21:51 | but if you test something that changes tables/moves data, that can be a problem | |
| 21:52 | WNickC | I suspected the answer would be something like that |
| 21:54 | thanks | |
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| 22:15 | eythian | hi |
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| 22:37 | tcohen | hi eythian |
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| 22:38 | Dyrcona | rangi: I'm working on Evergreen's handling of lookupuser and there doesn't appear to be anyway to tell if a patron is blocked in the generic NCIP::User and the main NCIP code. |
| 22:40 | rangi | yeah, im having issues with that, because in Koha there is a debarrment .. thats a full you are blocked from doing everything type thing |
| 22:40 | and I could pass that through easily | |
| 22:40 | however, there are a myriad of conditional blocks too | |
| 22:40 | i guess passing through something is better than nothing, even tho it might say no blocked, then you try a checkout and find out they are blocked for that itemtype | |
| 22:41 | BobB | mtj about |
| 22:41 | ? | |
| 22:42 | Dyrcona | Well, Evergreen has a similar situation. |
| 22:42 | I was just going to say blocked if you're barred, or blocked from circ and/or holds. | |
| 22:42 | rangi | right |
| 22:42 | that'd work | |
| 22:42 | and then conditional ones show up if you blocked from certain holds, or certain circ cases | |
| 22:43 | Dyrcona | Well, in Evergreen, you get blocked from circ (checkout), holds (placing holds), or renewals. Most blocks block all three. |
| 22:44 | I was just going to say blocked if anything blocked at all. | |
| 22:45 | rangi | right, we have that |
| 22:45 | Dyrcona | We also have a "Local Use Only" patron profile in our system, so I've added configuration to allow certain profiles to come up blocked. |
| 22:45 | We don't want local patrons asking for ILL. | |
| 22:45 | rangi | but there are still cases when you are only blocked from certain itemtypes |
| 22:45 | which you dont know, as at that point you dont know what the next request is going to be | |
| 22:46 | Dyrcona | We don't have blocks on certain items, just matchpoints that might restrict the flow of different items from one library to another. |
| 22:46 | What I'll do is add a way for the user data to report a blocked patron, and you can figure out the Koha implications. ;) | |
| 22:47 | rangi | yep |
| 22:49 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 22:49 | rangi | hiya |
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| 22:50 | tcohen | i was thinking we should have a debian7+mariadb node |
| 22:51 | rangi | gmcharlt had one going, i think the node is still there, just needs to be updated |
| 22:52 | tcohen | ok, I'll talk with him |
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| 23:28 | tcohen | rangi: what command should be used to find cases for bug 6679? |
| 23:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests |
| 23:28 | tcohen | perlcritic -5 ? |
| 23:29 | rangi | tcohen: look at the 00-testcritc.t file |
| 23:29 | add another dir, from the all_koha_dirs ito the @dirs variable | |
| 23:30 | and you will find tons :) | |
| 23:33 | tcohen | C4 has a reasonable amount |
| 23:34 | rangi | yep |
| 23:34 | its a good task for someone new | |
| 23:34 | they learn their way around the code base, and you can google for how to fix the errors | |
| 23:35 | tcohen | interesting, i have a librarian interested |
| 23:36 | rangi | and they dont need to have a full running koha, just a git checkout is good enough to start with on the small ones |
| 23:36 | tcohen | i'll think about it |
| 23:36 | question: have you tried to use warnings on all files? is it that bad? | |
| 23:37 | rangi | yeah its too noisy |
| 23:37 | but you can do one by one without too much hassle | |
| 23:37 | turn on, fix until its quiet | |
| 23:37 | papa was doing some work trying to quiet the log | |
| 23:38 | tcohen | yeah, I recall |
| 23:38 | it might be a good excercise for a hackfest | |
| 23:38 | rangi | yep |
| 23:38 | good teaching tool | |
| 23:38 | * tcohen | thinks rangi is a good teacher :-P |
| 23:39 | tcohen | people will enjoy it :-D |
| 23:40 | rangi | :) |
| 23:44 | tcohen | could anyone take a look at 11349? it is pretty trivial |
| 23:44 | eythian | @later tell magnuse http://terrafab.bengler.no/ |
| 23:44 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:44 | rangi | yep can do |
| 23:48 | tcohen | oops, my turn for making dinner |
| 23:48 | completely forgot :_D | |
| 23:48 | bye rangi, eythian | |
| 23:48 | eythian | later |
| 23:48 | rangi | cya |
| 23:58 | pianohacker | bye |
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