IRC log for #koha, 2014-07-17

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00:14 dcook bug 11349
00:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11349 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , PROG/CCSR deprecation: Remove .tmpl -> .tt translation
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01:51 eythian @wunder nzwn
01:51 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (1:30 PM NZST on July 17, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
01:51 eythian "Scattered Clouds" my butt
02:07 http://i.imgur.com/RPsqjUb.jpg <-- the future
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03:11 dcook Hmm, I don't think issues.issuingbranch is a thing anymore...
03:11 Unless I'm missing something, it seems to never be used
03:11 Except I have data that says that it does...
03:11 * dcook wonders if that's from a third-party app...
03:12 dcook Mmm, I'm thinking yes...not part of Koha..
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04:11 eythian http://youtu.be/w-0TEJMJOhk
04:12 make sure you watch past 1:30
04:14 * wizzyrea flags that for later
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04:43 * dcook takes a look at letter.pl and shudders
04:44 * cait waves
04:44 dcook heya cait, irma
04:47 eythian hi cait
04:47 cait hi eythian and dcook
04:47 eythian there seems to only be one child left.
04:55 rangi Francesca: <li class="current_page_item"></li>
04:56 * cait waves at rangi too
04:56 rangi hey cait
05:29 dcook self: "Why isn't that email address updating!?"
05:29 dcook: "It's probably because you commented out that code."
05:30 self: "Oh...yeah...that would do it..."
05:30 eythian man, I'm never that helpful to myself
05:30 dcook We like working as a team :D
05:32 eythian: How is ElasticSearch going?
05:32 eythian temorarily on hold while I work on a migration
05:33 dcook Same one as before or new one?
05:33 eythian I'm not sure
05:33 * dcook says with no real reference at all to "before"
05:33 eythian they all blend into one
05:33 dcook MARC is a bit traumatic
05:33 eythian right now I'm working on a talk that I'm giving tomorrow
05:33 yeah, it is
05:33 dcook Sweet. What are you going to talk about?
05:34 eythian how GPG and debian packaging interact
05:34 dry, but short :)
05:34 but I need to do a lot of research to make sure I'm saying correct things
05:36 dcook Mmm, that's always handy
05:36 Truth is good
05:38 eythian discovered a few points where things work differently to what I thought
05:41 dcook Ain't that always the way
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06:33 ashimema Morning..
06:33 wahanui i heard morning was a state of the cait
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06:39 reiveune hello
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06:47 marcelr hi #koha
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06:55 cait good morning #koha
06:56 marcelr hi cait
06:56 cait hi marcelr :)
06:56 i saw you are working on sru again, that's nice
06:57 marcelr :)
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07:01 alex_a bonjour
07:01 cait bonjour alex_a
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07:07 petter hello koha
07:07 cait hi yohann and hi petter :)
07:07 yohann hi cait
07:07 petter hi cait!
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07:22 petter Any Biblibre people here?
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07:33 cait Joubu: ping?
07:33 wahanui Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658
07:33 Joubu petter: yep
07:34 petter So I was wondering about koha-restful
07:34 What are your plans?
07:34 Will it be included in Koha?
07:35 The reason I'm asking is because I though to add some functionality to the svc endpoint, but I think koha-restull is a much better basis to build on
07:36 cait not sure it counts... but i'd love to see the svc extended as we use it for ILL :)
07:36 petter sure, but wouldnt it be better to ditch svc in favor for koha-restfull?
07:37 its much more complete and has a good organization
07:37 which can easily be expanded
07:38 cait I haven't taken a look at it yet, so that's better questions for Joubu i think
07:38 my only worry is that it's separate from Koha righ tnow, so not sure how up to date and if it needs to get updated with changes made etc.
07:39 petter yes that's a valid concern off course
07:39 but unless svc it actually has test coverage :)
07:40 Joubu petter: we don't plan to include koha-resful in Koha
07:40 petter ok, good to know
07:40 cait not sure, could it move to the standard repo, contribs or the like maybe?
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07:41 Joubu petter: there are some reasons: 1/ it's only tested on 3.10 and 3.12. 2/ There are not enought unit test to prove it will work for all futur versions
07:41 gaetan_B hello
07:41 wahanui hello, gaetan_B
07:41 Joubu 3/ It is quite difficult to integrate stuff in master (delay, rebase, etc.)
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07:41 petter sure
07:42 So how do you use koha-restfull?
07:42 In cojunction with Drupal?
07:44 Joubu petter: with weeke, booke and others applications needing Koha's information.
07:46 petter so you will likely continue to maintain it and update it?
07:46 Joubu petter: if you have patches, you can sent them to someone at BibLibre, jajm will have a look
07:47 petter: yes, of course. We use it!
07:47 petter Great, good to know :)
07:48 I'm just evaluating it now, I haven't started doing anything yet
07:48 Joubu (s/booke/bokeh)
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08:40 cait does someone know if it's possible that an item on the shelf goes directly into waiting status?
08:41 i thought we had a pref, but can't find it
08:45 i think i foudn the one i was thining about
08:45 Reseveneedsreturn
08:45 s
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10:54 marcelr bug 6536 is ready for takeoff
10:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Z3950 Search Enhancements: SRU targets and additional XSLT processing
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11:00 cait marcelr++
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11:08 cait @quote get 123
11:08 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
11:08 huginn cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
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12:52 tcohen mrning
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13:05 rhcl It's morning
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13:09 nengard hi all
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13:15 oleonard Hi #koha
13:18 marcelr hi oleonard
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13:26 tcohen @seen dpavlin
13:26 huginn tcohen: dpavlin was last seen in #koha 17 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <dpavlin> on current master, it seems that zebra search in opac dies with ZOOM error 20003 "can't set prefix query" - is there existing bug for that?
13:26 tcohen hm
13:29 Joubu oleonard: do you think you could find some time to test/so bug 10212?
13:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Columns configuration for tables
13:40 Joubu Does someone know why aqorders.budget_id is not linked (FK) to aqbudget.budget_id?
13:40 IMO it should
13:40 (it's mandatory in the interface, on creating an order)
13:41 but maybe it is archeological
13:43 nengard seems like an oversight ...
13:44 Joubu nengard: but I have some "0" for aqorders.budget_id in my DB test
13:44 but not sure it's relevant, since I used it for testing
13:45 I am going to check on a production machine
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14:06 oleonard Joubu: Yes
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14:24 tcohen is it possible to make bugzilla show "Bug #: " instead of "Bug # - # ?
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14:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11349: (qa follow-up) Fix pod <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dc02107aa28c7a543> / Bug 11349: Make the QA script happy <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b3f5cb34ce7633286> / Bug 11349: Remove unnecesary name translation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5fa4082e8bbe1a221
14:26 tcohen bye bye tmpl
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14:47 oleonard There is a certain non-ascii character (or characters?) which, when found in an item record, causes the detail page to crash (Error 500)
14:48 http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]blionumber=152618
14:48 Has anyone run across this before?
14:49 In my system I find it in itemcallnumber. It shows up as one of those weird character boxes.
14:49 nengard I saw it on a bib record
14:49 it was a /
14:49 which isn't non-ascii ....
14:50 wait it was a \
14:50 sorry ... so tired this week
14:51 tcohen oleonard: logs?
14:51 wahanui rumour has it logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/
14:52 oleonard tcohen: I'll see if I can reproduce it in my test system
14:52 tcohen oleonard: it happened to us once, a library used '&' in the itemcallnumber
14:52 and it broke
14:52 oleonard Looks like it might be this: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%1E
14:53 tcohen don't see it
14:54 oleonard If I try to manually edit an item record to add that character the add item process fails: :18: parser error : PCDATA invalid Char value 30
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14:55 tcohen so, two bugs
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14:56 * cait-m__ waves from the airport
14:59 oleonard Where are you going cait-m__ ?
14:59 cait-m__ koha workshop with a library
15:00 answering questions mostly :)
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15:06 tcohen cait-m__: hi :-D how is it going?
15:06 cait-m__ its tomorrow
15:06 travelling this afternoon
15:06 tcohen good luck
15:07 cait-m__ thx :)
15:09 tcohen: arent you on vacation?
15:09 tcohen why? :-)
15:10 cait-m__ bec you said so :)
15:11 tcohen i am
15:12 cait-m__ :)
15:12 * druthb waves to cait-m__
15:12 waves to tcohen, who shouldn't be here, too.
15:13 tcohen hi druthb
15:14 nengard hiya druthb and all i missed
15:14 * druthb waves to nengard, and goes back to writing unit tests.
15:14 liw druthb++ (unit tests are almost as heart-warming as backups)
15:15 druthb You know, writing unit tests is like hitting your hand with a hammer, over and over.  It feels so very good to *stop*.
15:15 tcohen we all love unit tests
15:15 (not writing them, but having them :-P)
15:15 druthb liw: You'd like it even more if I was writing unit tests for *Koha.*   But I'm not.
15:16 liw I like writing unit tests, but only if I'm writing them for a clean code base and for code that doesn't exist yet, or changes to be made; writing unit tests afterwards is like trying to drink the Empire State Building
15:17 tcohen heh
15:17 cait-m__ :)
15:17 druthb s/Building/Building, through a skinny, skinny straw/;
15:18 cait-m__ dont discourage devs plz :)
15:18 druthb I'm writing unit tests on a 17-year-old codebase that was, in fact, originally developed by a 15-year-old. Who is now the 32-year old CEO of the company.  Much pain and suffering.
15:19 liw druthb: ah, you have a chaser of Iceland, I see
15:20 druthb yep.
15:20 * jcamins is writing unit tests, then writing code that will pass it.
15:20 jcamins *them
15:20 It's glorious.
15:21 Sure, the code doesn't do anything useful right now because all it does is pass unit tests, but there's a wonderful feeling of accomplishment as the red 'x's turn into green 'o's.
15:21 tcohen its awesome
15:25 cait-m__ :)
15:27 boarding
15:28 reiveune bye
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15:36 gaetan_B bye!
15:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12592 - Minor correction for C4::DelBiblio documentation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4555f6a2f4e817587>
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15:58 tcohen petter++
16:04 jcamins I think from now on I'll listen to quickstep music when writing unit tests.
16:12 tcohen jcamins: good idea
16:31 Dyrcona jcamins: At least you didn't write the tests so that they always pass, right? ;)
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17:35 jcamins Dyrcona: darn, that was a missed opportunity for feeling good about myself!
17:41 Dyrcona :)
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17:50 * cait-m__ waves again
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19:06 oleonard If a sub-language is chosen the menu doesn't indicate which translation is active. Should it?
19:06 http://www.screencast.com/t/0uWSrEapz3vf
19:07 jcamins oleonard: isn't that the bug you just closed?
19:07 oleonard No, the bug I just closed was for a problem where it always said "en-GB" no matter which English sublanguage was chosen
19:09 jcamins Oh, I see what you mean.
19:09 It took two minutes for the screenshot to load.
19:09 I'd think it should.
19:11 oleonard I wonder how
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20:50 * cait waves
21:10 cait bag: around?
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21:15 wizzyrea oleonard - we've seen crashy records with non-ascii characters as well
21:15 usually it comes from copy/pasting from word
21:16 cait hi wizzyrea  :)
21:16 wizzyrea hi
21:17 eternalsword where should one look to debug z39.50 lookups? from koha to LoC. I have an older system that works (3.11.00.026) and a newer that shows no results (3.17.00.009)
21:17 cait are both targets set up the same?
21:17 eternalsword same LoC configuration.
21:17 cait administration > z39.50 targets
21:18 wizzyrea you can use yaz client to see if you can connect to the target from the command line
21:18 if it doesn't work there, it won't work from koha
21:18 yaz-client z3950.loc.gov:7090
21:19 eternalsword yaz client connected fine. how would I do a lookup to test?
21:20 wizzyrea base LCDB
21:20 then f your query
21:21 if all of that works, then you probably have a typo or a space in your z39.50 definitions in Administration -> z39.50 targets
21:21 or it's unimarc instead of marc21
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21:21 wizzyrea or something like that
21:22 cait sometimes also firewall
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21:22 cait because of unusual ports
21:22 wizzyrea yep, also firewall
21:23 though I'm having trouble currently with LoC
21:23 from one I know works.
21:23 it might be buste.d
21:25 also if you have z3950.loc.gov:7090, it's probably wrong, because they've changed the target (I just looked it up)
21:25 so try lx2.loc.gov:210
21:25 which is working just fine.
21:29 * wizzyrea stops her nattering
21:31 eternalsword okay, yaz-client works on both machines. koha works on one machine. identical configuration.
21:31 wizzyrea then it's probably a typo or a firewall rule ;)
21:32 more likely a firewall rule at this point.
21:32 though I'm not sure how.
21:32 since it works from the command line,
21:32 tcohen typo
21:32 wizzyrea ^ is what I meant
21:32 it's still earlyish here.
21:32 eternalsword not a typo. this is a migrated database.
21:33 wizzyrea did you double check? spaces can be insidious little buggers.
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21:35 eternalsword no extra spaces.
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21:35 eternalsword is there a debug flag I can throw?
21:39 cait you can check if there is something int he logs
21:40 wizzyrea yeah the intranet error log might tell you something
21:43 eternalsword looks like this gets thrown. Use of uninitialized value in string ne at C4/Auth.pm line 750
21:44 looks like ne is supposed to be "not equal" not a variable. my perl is rusty and it was bad before.
21:45 I am using starman & plack on the new system. Wonder if it's a quirk.
21:46 tcohen eternalsword: can u use yaz-client from the command line in the Koha server to successfuly reach the z39.50 target?
21:46 eternalsword yes.
21:46 tcohen and Koha sits in the same server
21:47 eternalsword yes.
21:47 tcohen those "uninitialized" warnings are harmless
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21:49 eternalsword this is one of those issues that makes me want to smash something.
21:49 * tcohen agrees
21:50 tcohen i'll look at the IRC logs as I dont' know what the error message ir
21:50 is
21:50 cait good nigth all
21:50 eternalsword there's no error message. Just shows no results found when there should be results.
21:50 wizzyrea his issue is ^
21:51 what is the LoC hostname you are connecting to
21:51 eternalsword lx2.loc.gov:210
21:51 wizzyrea that should be right
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21:53 eternalsword Database: LCDB, Checked: Yes, Rank: 1, Syntax: USMARC, Encoding: utf8, Timeout: 0, Record type: biblio
21:53 wizzyrea yep seems right
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21:55 eternalsword could I be missing perl bindings or something?
21:56 I would think that would definitely throw error though.
21:56 wizzyrea in more -> about koha, click the modules tab
21:56 are you missing any?
21:57 eternalsword only the optional Readonly::XS
21:57 wizzyrea not that then.
22:02 brb have to reboot
22:03 * wizzyrea mutters about ubuntu ubdates that require a reboot... it isn't *&(^%**& windows.
22:03 eythian_ Only the kernel and dbus require a reboot
22:05 eternalsword although sometimes it's faster to reboot than to figure out all the services that need to be restarted.
22:06 well, think I'll tackle this issue tomorrow. If anyone has any ideas, just address them to me. I'll either see them in the log or more likely in my scrollback buffer.
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