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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | francharb | waited for the bus yesterday evening (45min), I thought I will lost my legs. |
| 00:00 | ;) | |
| 00:00 | dcook | -27 with windchill? Ouch.. |
| 00:00 | Eeep. I'm glad you're ok, francharb! | |
| 00:00 | francharb | thanks! :) |
| 00:01 | dcook | Growing up in Saskatchewan, I'm quite accustomed to feeling like I'm going to turn to ice |
| 00:01 | francharb | but I could have wait in the dep' near the bus stop |
| 00:01 | dcook | When I was a child, all the children would huddle together outside for warmth during recess and lunch |
| 00:01 | jcamins | Okay, prefix characters are on page 8-1. |
| 00:01 | francharb | I dont know why I didnt actually... |
| 00:01 | dcook | You could've grabbed some beer :D |
| 00:01 | francharb | haha |
| 00:02 | ebegin | dcook, are you from Vancouver ? |
| 00:02 | dcook | ebegin: I was born and raised in Saskatchewan, but I lived in Vancouver most recently for a few years before moving to Sydney, Australia |
| 00:02 | ebegin | oh, saskatchewan, just read it |
| 00:03 | dcook | I thought about moving to Montreal for my MLIS but Vancouver had the co-op program that got me my current job working on Koha |
| 00:04 | Montreal would've been better for my French though ;) | |
| 00:06 | Ah, right, I was going to say, you provide services in both English and French, ebegin? | |
| 00:07 | ebegin | yes, both languages |
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| 00:11 | jcamins | Asterisk is 042. |
| 00:11 | Just FYI | |
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| 00:32 | francharb | diner time |
| 00:32 | have a great day dcook | |
| 00:33 | dcook | You too, francharb. It was great catching up :) |
| 00:33 | Don't freeze! | |
| 00:33 | francharb | have a good night jcamins |
| 00:33 | dcook, thanks | |
| 00:34 | dcook, say hi to the summer! I miss him/her! ;) | |
| 00:34 | ebegin | bye everyone ! |
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| 00:43 | maximep | @wunder cyqb |
| 00:43 | huginn | maximep: The current temperature in Quebec, Quebec is -13.0°C (7:00 PM EST on December 17, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 00:44 | maximep | oh, not that bad! |
| 00:45 | dcook | Just a bit chilly ;) |
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| 00:58 | eythian | wahanui: liblime koha is <reply>I think you mean fauxha, $who |
| 00:58 | wahanui | ...but liblime koha is based on an older version of Koha, but with a higher version number.... |
| 00:58 | eythian | no wahanui, liblime koha is <reply>I think you mean fauxha, $who |
| 00:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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| 05:13 | mtompset | @seen paul_p |
| 05:13 | huginn | mtompset: paul_p was last seen in #koha 1 day, 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <paul_p> mtompset yes ? |
| 05:14 | mtompset | @later tell paul_p 6874 is ready for the final sign off. Hopefully I didn't miss anything. :) |
| 05:14 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:48 | dcook | I love librarians with good ideas |
| 05:48 | Just sayin' | |
| 06:03 | mtompset | dcook: What good idea? |
| 06:03 | dcook | Setting up an RSS feed for the lists |
| 06:08 | mtompset | Okay... 4 things to attempt to finish before end of year. Maybe. |
| 06:08 | liblime? | |
| 06:08 | liblime koha? | |
| 06:08 | wahanui | I think you mean fauxha, mtompset |
| 06:08 | mtompset | liblime koha? |
| 06:08 | wahanui | I think you mean fauxha, mtompset |
| 06:08 | mtompset | no randomness on that. I liked the other line too. |
| 06:09 | @wunder schomberg | |
| 06:09 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Ebhausen, Ebhausen, Germany is 0.8°C (7:00 AM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:09 | mtompset | @wunder schomberg, ON |
| 06:09 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Ebhausen, Ebhausen, Germany is 0.8°C (7:00 AM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:09 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 06:09 | mtompset | @wunder schomberg, ontario |
| 06:09 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Ebhausen, Ebhausen, Germany is 0.8°C (7:00 AM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:09 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 06:09 | mtompset | @wunder l7e 5y5 |
| 06:09 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Richmond Hill, Richmond Hill, Ontario is -6.9°C (12:56 AM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:10 | * mtompset | shrugs. |
| 06:10 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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| 06:26 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 06:26 | dcook | Have a good day :) |
| 06:32 | cait | :) |
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| 07:31 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:39 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
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| 08:13 | cait | hi #koha |
| 08:19 | magnuse | wb cait |
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| 08:20 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:20 | wahanui | bonjour, gaetan_B |
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| 08:43 | cait | hi magnuse, gaetan_B, wahanui :) |
| 08:43 | wahanui | cait: what? |
| 08:44 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:44 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (9:20 AM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:44 | magnuse | ...and so dark! |
| 08:44 | cait | same here :( |
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| 09:03 | magnuse | hm... MARC::File::XML seems to dislike the § (Section sign) character, e.g. in 500a. anyone got an idea for how to deal with that? |
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| 09:24 | nlegrand | Hey #koha o/ |
| 09:53 | magnuse | oh hooray for perl - 26 years today! |
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| 10:01 | Binu | hello |
| 10:03 | hello with whom can I ask a query on MAR21 import in Koha? Any experts our there? | |
| 10:04 | * Binu | slaps BobB_ around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 10:31 | cait | Binu: we don't slap around here - lots of poeple are constantly logged in, but BobB_ for example is in australia and it's really late for him |
| 10:32 | Binu: just ask your question, if someone knows they will answer | |
| 10:33 | Binu | so sorry for that. I was just checking the functionality. |
| 10:35 | cait | np |
| 10:36 | Binu | Ques : While importing MARC records into a blank Koha database, I want Koha to check if there are duplicate records in the MARC file that I am importing so that duplicate records are clubbed together to a particular bibliography. |
| 10:38 | for clarity duplicate records mean - one title with mutiple barcodes( i.e. more than one copy) | |
| 10:40 | cait | sorry phone |
| 10:42 | Binu | what phone? do u want me to call u? |
| 10:43 | nlegrand | Binu: I guess cait has a phone call and is unable to answer you right now :) |
| 10:44 | (and so am I, because I'm new to Koha ^^) | |
| 10:45 | Binu | ok thanks nlegrand |
| 11:09 | cait | reading back |
| 11:09 | ah too late | |
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| 11:18 | cait | hi khall :) |
| 11:18 | khall | mornin cait! |
| 11:20 | cait | :) |
| 11:32 | gmcharlt++ | |
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| 12:18 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 13:17 | tcohen | is jenkins around? |
| 13:19 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:51 | tcohen | @later tell jenkins_koha build Koha_3.12.x |
| 13:51 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:25 | oleonard | Just realized I dreamed about finding git merge conflict markers in a live site. Do I get a nerd merit badge for that? |
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| 14:32 | cait | hehe yes |
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| 14:59 | rambutan | hola koha |
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| 15:08 | ebegin | a quick perl question : What means a -s in a condition like : if (exists $ENV{"KOHA_CONF"} and $ENV{'KOHA_CONF'} and -s $ENV{"KOHA_CONF"}) { |
| 15:09 | jcamins | ebegin: file has nonzero size: http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/-X.html |
| 15:11 | ebegin | thanks jcamins |
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| 15:13 | ashimema_away | hi all |
| 15:18 | rambutan | hi ashimema |
| 15:19 | cait | hi ashimema |
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| 15:31 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
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| 15:48 | ashimema | still qa'ing your bug tcohen.. gave me a good reason to finally get to grips with building packages ;) |
| 15:48 | tcohen | heh |
| 15:48 | ashimema | shame I've gotta fit it in around work ;) |
| 15:48 | tcohen | fortunately it is documented how to do it! |
| 15:49 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 15:49 | Works nicely so far.. just bringing up a clean vm to install my freshly build package onto now.. | |
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| 16:00 | cait | ashimema++ |
| 16:06 | oleonard | opac-topissues.pl doesn't work at all the way I thought it did now that I look closely at the query it uses |
| 16:07 | "Top 50 of the most popular titles in the last 12 months" means most popular titles *added* in the last 12 months, not *circulated* in the last 12 months | |
| 16:07 | cait | huh?? |
| 16:07 | jcamins | oleonard: really? Eww. |
| 16:07 | cait | can you paste the sql? |
| 16:07 | just curious | |
| 16:08 | but today nothing should surprise me | |
| 16:08 | today-- | |
| 16:09 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opac-topissues.pl query" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | oleonard: wow, and it's been like that from the beginning, it seems |
| 16:21 | issues.issuedate would match what you're expecting rather than bibio.datecreated | |
| 16:23 | though I could see somebody wanting to include datecreated if they want the emphasis to be on newer titles and their patrons are still reading nothing but Harry Potter ;) | |
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| 16:46 | oleonard | I wonder if it would make sense to add an "any" option to sql report runtime parameters? |
| 16:48 | paul_p | @karma |
| 16:48 | huginn | paul_p: Highest karma: "rangi" (962), "oleonard" (806), and "jcamins" (662). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). You (paul_p) are ranked 9 out of 2720. |
| 16:48 | ashimema | @karma |
| 16:48 | huginn | ashimema: Highest karma: "rangi" (962), "oleonard" (806), and "jcamins" (662). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). |
| 16:50 | tcohen | @karma |
| 16:50 | huginn | tcohen: Highest karma: "rangi" (962), "oleonard" (806), and "jcamins" (662). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). You (tcohen) are ranked 15 out of 2720. |
| 16:51 | oleonard | @karma huginn |
| 16:51 | huginn | oleonard: Karma for "huginn" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8. |
| 16:51 | oleonard | @karma cookies |
| 16:51 | huginn | oleonard: Karma for "cookies" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 16:51 | ashimema | lol |
| 16:51 | I hadn't seen the karma command before :$ | |
| 17:02 | oleonard | SQL Reports Library says "You have to put "%" in a text box to 'leave it blank'" Does that work? |
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| 17:15 | oleonard | As far as I can tell, if I want to use branch runtime parameters in an SQL report, I'll have to create a separate report to cover all branches. |
| 17:22 | cait | ? |
| 17:22 | oleonard: maybe i am late, but what is the problem? | |
| 17:23 | ah, ok, no i get it I think | |
| 17:23 | now | |
| 17:23 | oleonard: you could create an authorized value.... with your branchcodes, branches and % and use like... but that would be a bitof a stretch | |
| 17:47 | nengard | oleonard: what people do is create another authorized value list with all the branches in it and then add an 'all branches' with the value equal to % |
| 17:47 | i thought i had a blog post about that - but can't find it | |
| 17:48 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:48 | oleonard | So, what cait said :) |
| 17:48 | cait++ | |
| 17:48 | nengard++ | |
| 17:48 | nengard | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]-tip-in-koha-3-8/ |
| 17:48 | oleonard | I still think it would be a nice idea to build in a blank option when using runtime parameters |
| 17:49 | nengard | i agree |
| 17:49 | and i want!!! | |
| 17:49 | for item types, collection codes, etc etc etc | |
| 17:49 | an 'all' option would be great | |
| 17:51 | cait | hm we'd need to be abit careful, it will only work if you use like |
| 17:51 | and depending on how people did their codes that coudl have some unwanted effects | |
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| 17:54 | oleonard | cait: If we're modifying how the query is built by the script we wouldn't necessarily be required to use 'like' |
| 17:55 | cait | hm |
| 17:55 | * oleonard | speculates |
| 17:55 | cait | i think it's not trivial to do that |
| 17:55 | right now it's a placeholer | |
| 17:55 | then it woudl have to change the logic | |
| 17:55 | and remove the clause | |
| 18:05 | oleonard | Welcome rocio1! (http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]rations-support/) |
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| 18:46 | magnuse | welcome rocio_lunch! |
| 18:56 | drojf | i am wondering about hosting koha for clients. are there ways of virtualization that have proven particularly useful (or the opposite) to run koha on a root server? |
| 18:58 | magnuse | drojf: are you considering a physical server? |
| 18:58 | i have only good things to say about linode | |
| 18:58 | gah | |
| 18:58 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 18:58 | cait | i think better use a server in germany |
| 18:58 | drojf | with the nsa stuff… i suppose only german servers would work ^^ |
| 18:58 | cait | less trouble |
| 18:59 | drojf | yep |
| 18:59 | gmcharlt | drojf: we use Xen quite successfully |
| 19:00 | cait | drojf: do you want to run a big server yourself? or rent something in a data center? |
| 19:00 | jcamins | drojf: Xen works pretty well, especially if someone else will manage it for you. |
| 19:00 | drojf | cait: rent. neither place nor bandwidth here i am afraid |
| 19:01 | cait | i got worried for a moment :) |
| 19:01 | drojf | gmcharlt jcamins: i'm not sure if that would work with a rented root server but i'll check |
| 19:01 | cait | i have heard good things about hetzner |
| 19:01 | drojf | that is who i am thinking about |
| 19:01 | jcamins | drojf: oh, probably not. On an individual server level, I just use multiple Koha instances. |
| 19:02 | drojf | cait. but the vps are pretty low spec so i guess it would make more sense to get a root server (and i could also use it for other fun things) |
| 19:02 | low spec as in, they have only single cpu vps i think | |
| 19:02 | jcamins | I'd suggest testing Debian/kFreeBSD, since that would give you Debian + jails. |
| 19:02 | And pf. | |
| 19:03 | * jcamins | is not a fan of iptables. |
| 19:04 | jcamins | lxc is really nice, but the root user in lxc might have full root privileges on the host system, which is not so good. In my opinion. |
| 19:05 | drojf | jcamins: i have read about lxc and it did not sound safe. and seems to have extra problems on debian 7 |
| 19:05 | apart from that, it sounds very interesting | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | I use lxc for testing and development. |
| 19:06 | Much faster to do clean room package testing on an lxc container than on a separate VM. | |
| 19:12 | drojf | jcamins: yes i will have to play with it when i have more time. looks cool |
| 19:12 | jcamins | You should just make the switch to Debian/kFreeBSD and play with jails. |
| 19:12 | drojf | i was thinking about just using koha instances but i was not sure how that will work out if people want ssh access |
| 19:13 | * jcamins | doesn't provide SSH access. |
| 19:14 | drojf | i should probably neither |
| 19:14 | * jcamins | doesn't want to support anyone who does things not through the Koha interface. |
| 19:14 | drojf | good point ^^ i also do not feel like cleaning up after people with no idea but access :P |
| 19:15 | rambutan | consider webmin access? |
| 19:15 | cait | drojf: there is a way you can allow them to download their database anytime with packages |
| 19:15 | maybe a compromise? | |
| 19:16 | drojf | i have no idea if people would want access at all. i suppose that was my way of thinking. because i would want to have that :D |
| 19:17 | cait | yeha, but you wouldn't go to a service provider ;) |
| 19:17 | jcamins | drojf: my feeling is that if someone has a need for SSH access, they should run their own servers, and I will charge (higher) support fees accordingly. |
| 19:19 | Way higher chances of weirdness. | |
| 19:19 | drojf | good point. and i think those who actually asked me so far did so because they do not want to have to do any servery things. but i will have to bring that up if anything is going to happen with them at all |
| 19:22 | druthb | Having (in my evil past) had customers who insisted on SSH access, I would start by *doubling* the support fee. Got to pay for the therapy you'll need when you see what they do to your poor innocent servers somehow. |
| 19:23 | There is nothing good that can come of that. You can provide an SFTP location to download the tar-gzipped sql dumps, if they have a fetish about keeping a copy of their backups, but letting someone have shell access is just asking for a ticket to the loony bin. | |
| 19:26 | …and I'd hate to have to come to Germany to visit you in an asylum, drojf! | |
| 19:27 | drojf | druthb: thanks for pointing that out :D |
| 19:29 | talljoy | o/ druthb |
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| 19:31 | cait | drojf: she is serious |
| 19:31 | shemight actually be coming! | |
| 19:32 | talljoy | looks she may be on her way now. |
| 19:32 | druthb | o/ talljoy |
| 19:32 | talljoy | ah! |
| 19:32 | there she is! | |
| 19:32 | druthb | might-nothing. I *am* coming to Germany, in April. |
| 19:32 | cait | hehe |
| 19:32 | * druthb | hopes cait can pop over to see me! |
| 19:34 | * cait | hopes too |
| 19:38 | talljoy | Germany in April? mmmm...... |
| 19:38 | * talljoy | checks her calendar |
| 19:38 | talljoy | cait i had an opportunity to join a group in Stuttgart in May. Is that near you? or not? |
| 19:39 | cait | it is close by yes :) |
| 19:39 | i studied in stuttgart, about 3 hours of a train ride and BSZ has hm a branch? in stuttgart | |
| 19:40 | :) | |
| 19:40 | talljoy | i haven't decided to go or not. It is with the Library School here and they are visiting an International School in Stuttgart to work in the library. |
| 19:41 | a Koha library no less!! | |
| 19:41 | cait | aaah |
| 19:41 | i know them :) | |
| 19:41 | have been there for a day once | |
| 19:41 | it was interesting | |
| 19:42 | druthb | talljoy, has mashing too many Follett data sets made you funny in the head? You have to *think* about whether to go to Germany? |
| 19:42 | talljoy | ha! |
| 19:42 | jcamins | germs? |
| 19:42 | wahanui | it has been said that germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 19:42 | jcamins | germs? |
| 19:42 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 19:42 | jcamins | ^^ possible reason not to go to Germany. Who wants to get sick? |
| 19:42 | talljoy | the librarian there is Betty. And I spent some time at an International School in Kiev with her. |
| 19:42 | * druthb | gives jcamins the stink eye. |
| 19:43 | druthb | hush, you |
| 19:43 | cait | i think i have met her |
| 19:43 | talljoy | okay, duty calls ... phone time. |
| 19:43 | cait | talljoy: and germany won't make you sick |
| 19:44 | talljoy: you should totally go :) | |
| 19:45 | talljoy | i am going to look into getting on the bandwagon with it. |
| 19:45 | * druthb | thinks cait oughta give jcamins the ebil eye, too. |
| 19:51 | cait | druthb: he is just influenced by eythian |
| 19:51 | germs? | |
| 19:51 | wahanui | hmmm... germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 19:51 | cait | germs? |
| 19:51 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 19:51 | cait | druthb: not worth it ;) |
| 19:51 | druthb | eythian is a bad influence, yes. |
| 19:58 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 19:59 | rambutan | can't believe the koha world is so full of world travelers |
| 19:59 | cait | kohamakes us |
| 19:59 | rambutan | "Yea, I studied Ada under the great professor Dr. Kurtz in Moscow and then a year with Dr. Richie in Kiev then took a year off and just sat around drinking wine with Dr. Wirth in Vienna" |
| 19:59 | cait | if you have suddenly friends around theglobe... you got not so many options |
| 20:02 | rambutan | Does anybody off hand know where Paengyongdo is? Those are the kind of places I've been. |
| 20:04 | jcamins | Isn't that an island off South Korea? |
| 20:05 | rambutan | North Korea more correctly, although it is a "UN controlled" (effectively South Korea) island |
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| 20:09 | rangi | gmcharlt: can you please zero out my karma? |
| 20:10 | * druthb | boggles |
| 20:10 | cait | gmcharlt: please can't you not listen to him and just move it somewhere else until that thread is thorugh? |
| 20:10 | can you.... | |
| 20:10 | rangi | no |
| 20:10 | druthb | @most increased |
| 20:10 | huginn | druthb: "rangi": 969, "oleonard": 811, "jcamins": 664, "gmcharlt": 570, "cait": 496, "wizzyrea": 473, "kf": 326, "chris_n": 316, "paul_p": 286, "magnuse": 279, "nengard": 256, "eythian": 254, "sekjal": 247, "druthb": 216, "tcohen": 195, "slef": 182, "bgkriegel": 143, "drojf": 133, "marcelr": 107, "fredericd": 99, "mtj": 85, "joubu": 72, "biblibre": 71, "hdl": 70, and "mveron": 68 |
| 20:10 | rangi | if its gonna be used as a tool, instead of a pointless gimmick, id like to restart mine |
| 20:11 | i think im allowed to do that | |
| 20:11 | jcamins | cait: "can't you" also works in that sentence. |
| 20:11 | cait | sorry |
| 20:11 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 20:12 | rangi | NateC: you about? |
| 20:12 | ahh nevermind i see you fixed the typo already :) | |
| 20:12 | welcome rocio :) | |
| 20:13 | rocio | thank you rangi! |
| 20:13 | cait | welcome rocio! |
| 20:13 | rocio | thanks cait! |
| 20:13 | druthb | yeah, the Pronoun Police (me) told NateC about it earlier. :) |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | hi rocio |
| 20:14 | rocio | hi there |
| 20:14 | wahanui | hi, rocio |
| 20:14 | rangi | rocio: have you been introduced to the bots? |
| 20:14 | gmcharlt | @karma gmcharlt |
| 20:14 | huginn | gmcharlt: Karma for "gmcharlt" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0. |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | @karma rangi |
| 20:15 | huginn | gmcharlt: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 0 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 0. |
| 20:15 | rangi | we have 3 main ones, wahanui, who is an info bot, huginn who is a supybot, and logbot who suprisingly logs things |
| 20:15 | so you can do things like this | |
| 20:15 | rocio | yes! I'm not very good at remembering them though |
| 20:15 | rangi | NateC? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE |
| 20:15 | rangi | bag? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 20:15 | rangi | be rangi |
| 20:15 | wahanui | There's a bug for that |
| 20:15 | jcamins | cookies? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 20:15 | rangi | or |
| 20:16 | druthb | druthb? |
| 20:16 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 20:16 | rocio | hahahaha |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | ot |
| 20:16 | or | |
| 20:16 | @quote random | |
| 20:16 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #37: "< nelsonf> I'm pretty sure I deleted this one in the name of being thorough..." (added by chris at 11:27 PM, October 04, 2009) |
| 20:16 | rangi | @weather fort worth |
| 20:16 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Riverside, Fort Worth, Texas is 21.1°C (2:10 PM CST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:16 | rangi | (you are near fort worth right?) |
| 20:16 | rocio | yes I am! I am in Denton |
| 20:17 | talljoy | talljoy? |
| 20:17 | wahanui | I CRUNCH DATA or kicking butt at words with friends |
| 20:17 | talljoy | nom nom nom |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | "words with people you used to be friends with" |
| 20:17 | talljoy | HA! |
| 20:17 | cait | lol |
| 20:18 | rangi | rocio: huginn has some more practical uses too |
| 20:18 | like | |
| 20:18 | bug 12345 | |
| 20:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12345 was not found. |
| 20:18 | rangi | bug 11000 |
| 20:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11000 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , koha-restore not working: Koha username error |
| 20:18 | rangi | or |
| 20:18 | @marc 100 | |
| 20:18 | huginn | rangi: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 20:18 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 20:18 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:18 | rocio | omg that's definitely useful |
| 20:18 | talljoy | ^ best quote |
| 20:18 | rocio | didn't know that could be done |
| 20:19 | * wizzyrea | waves to rocio |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | wecome to the family |
| 20:19 | rocio | thank you wizzyrea! |
| 20:21 | cait | and don't forget |
| 20:21 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 20:21 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 PM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:21 | cait | weather reports :) |
| 20:21 | and | |
| 20:22 | @later tell rocio welcome again! | |
| 20:22 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:22 | rocio | that's one I keep forgetting! |
| 20:22 | the later tell lol | |
| 20:22 | rangi | its very handy |
| 20:22 | rocio | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:22 | huginn | rocio: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 PM CET on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Fog. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:22 | rocio | hahahaha cool |
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| 20:24 | cait | which means it's too cold here... brrr |
| 20:24 | :) | |
| 20:26 | rangi | hmm meeting in 35 mins, i probably should read up on what it's about |
| 20:26 | rocio: have you seen the dashboad too? | |
| 20:27 | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 20:27 | wahanui | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise |
| 20:27 | rangi | oh wow 4 sign offs from joel |
| 20:27 | cait | yep |
| 20:27 | been busy :) | |
| 20:42 | rocio | no I hadn't seen the dashboard rangi thank you for that |
| 20:42 | * cait | loves the dashboard |
| 20:46 | * magnuse | too |
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| 20:57 | magnuse | oh look, bug 11004 is not a difficult signoff at all ;-) |
| 20:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11004 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make xmlControlfield.js use the marcflavour syspref to look for XML files |
| 20:58 | magnuse | Have fun #koha! |
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| 21:35 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Approximate size of releases by non-merge commit count" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/36 |
| 21:36 | rangi | exactly |
| 21:36 | 3.2 wasnt time based, ie thats over 2.5 years | |
| 21:37 | and 3.4 had a zillion tt commits | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | 3.6 was lovely and stable |
| 21:37 | rangi | otherwise 1k a every 6 months .. is very impressive |
| 21:37 | gonna do a nice 2013 summary gmcharlt ? | |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 21:38 | I'm in a number-crunching mood | |
| 21:38 | rangi | cool |
| 21:38 | jcamins | I think 3.6 was a slightly shorter release cycle, too, since the release month was changed. |
| 21:39 | Or was that later? | |
| 21:39 | rangi | that was later, 3.8 was a longer one (or 3.10) |
| 21:39 | rambutan | anybody installing koha on btrfs yet? any libraries have exabyte size data? |
| 21:39 | rangi | one was 7 months |
| 21:39 | jcamins | Ah, right. |
| 21:39 | We moved *back* not forward. | |
| 21:45 | eythian | hi |
| 21:46 | rambutan | hi eythian |
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| 22:40 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 22:40 | so... anyone up to sign off my patches now? ;) | |
| 22:41 | dcook | Maybe yes, maybe no :p |
| 22:41 | What are the patches? | |
| 22:41 | wahanui | the patches are on the bug |
| 22:41 | nengard left #koha | |
| 22:41 | gmcharlt | which bug? |
| 22:41 | no | |
| 22:41 | wait | |
| 22:41 | SIGN OFF ALL THE BUGS! | |
| 22:42 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:42 | cait | dcook: you go to needs signoff and sort by assignee ;) |
| 22:42 | dcook | :P |
| 22:42 | In that case, probably not. Trying to figure out an acquisitions bug atm. | |
| 22:44 | jcamins | rangi: I think I submitted a patch for that. |
| 22:44 | cait | bug 11279 |
| 22:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote |
| 22:44 | cait | bug 11260 |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11260 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update German web installer |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Nope, not that one. |
| 22:45 | cait | bug 11228 |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Not that one either. |
| 22:45 | cait | bug 11144 |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right |
| 22:45 | cait | bug 10907 |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11144 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Switch order of overdues and fines cronjob for packages and in crontab.example |
| 22:45 | rangi | ohh id love it if you had |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10907 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Showing the staff members name who managed a suggestion should be optional |
| 22:45 | cait | just helping dcook find my patches ;) |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Maybe not. |
| 22:45 | Bug 8908 is where I reported it, but I don't see a patch. | |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 22:45 | I remember working on it. | |
| 22:46 | * cait | shudders at the thought of a zombie zebra |
| 22:46 | rangi | any ideas would also be awesome |
| 22:47 | jcamins | Let me see if I can figure out where the work is, because I know I spent time on it. |
| 22:49 | rangi | cool thanks |
| 22:56 | rambutan | creative subject line |
| 23:00 | dcook | Oh ho...I think I might have an idea about this bug now.. |
| 23:01 | jcamins | rangi: looks like I never got very far. |
| 23:01 | rangi | ahh bummer |
| 23:02 | i was thinking of just trying to do a really simple thing, like change format or something | |
| 23:02 | to test the connection was still valid | |
| 23:02 | cos this | |
| 23:02 | wahanui | i heard cos this was publicly logged |
| 23:02 | rangi | if ( defined($context->{"Zconn"}->{$server}) && (0 == $context->{"Zconn"}->{$server}->errcode()) ) |
| 23:02 | jcamins | I just have a bunch of debugging statements trying to track down where it hangs, but wasn't able to recreate the bug consistently enough to answer the question. |
| 23:02 | rangi | isn't doing it |
| 23:02 | *nod* | |
| 23:02 | k ill keep working on it | |
| 23:04 | jcamins | rangi: try $conn->check(). |
| 23:04 | dcook | ModSuggestion, you little devil.. |
| 23:04 | rangi | hmm does that actually exist? |
| 23:04 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 23:05 | Well, I think. | |
| 23:05 | rangi | just not documented? |
| 23:05 | i can certainly try | |
| 23:05 | jcamins | It's in the POD. |
| 23:05 | http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/N[…]ib/ZOOM.pod#check() | |
| 23:06 | rangi | ah yep, we are acting asynchronously in this case |
| 23:06 | cool ill give it a try | |
| 23:06 | eythian | rangi: you could kick the zebra server, that'd probably break the connection. |
| 23:07 | jcamins | eythian: that didn't work for me. |
| 23:07 | I mean, it did work, and didn't trigger the bug. | |
| 23:07 | eythian | ah right |
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| 23:16 | dcook | Why would there be a foreign constraint error on the prod system but not the dev system when using the same code and the same data... |
| 23:17 | jcamins | dcook: because your dev system had an extra upgrade. |
| 23:17 | dcook | Mmm |
| 23:17 | Hmm | |
| 23:18 | Possibly but I don't see why it would | |
| 23:18 | jcamins | When did you copy the data from production to dev? |
| 23:18 | dcook | 15 minutes ago? |
| 23:19 | jcamins | And you didn't go through the installer? |
| 23:19 | (for the upgrade) | |
| 23:20 | gmcharlt | are both prod and dev using innodb? |
| 23:20 | or did the dev system somehow end up using myisasm? | |
| 23:21 | dcook | Both should be innodb |
| 23:22 | jcamins: The dev used to be higher but I did a restore with a lower DB | |
| 23:22 | jcamins | dcook: and you downgraded the code, too? |
| 23:22 | dcook | Mind you, I think the restore only removed the tables and readded them. It didn't drop the database and start absolutely completely from scratch |
| 23:22 | Downgraded the code? | |
| 23:22 | jcamins | Your code and database have to be in sync. |
| 23:23 | dcook | Both systems are running the same code and (nearly) the same db |
| 23:23 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 23:24 | dcook | The prod system dies when it tries to send a letter to patron that doesn't exist anymore, whereas the dev system seems to just chug along |
| 23:25 | foreign_key_checks are on in the global mysql variables as well so I'm surprised no error comes up | |
| 23:25 | Unless... | |
| 23:25 | wahanui | it has been said that unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either |
| 23:25 | * dcook | tries another thing |
| 23:25 | jcamins | You are missing a table on the production system? |
| 23:26 | eythian | dcook: you have a problem with the letter table |
| 23:26 | I don't know what it is, but that table screws up a lot | |
| 23:26 | I think deleting everything before you load is the way to go | |
| 23:26 | I have a script to do that. | |
| 23:27 | dcook | It's the message_queue table (I should've mentioned that) |
| 23:27 | It does have a foreign key pointing back to the borrowers table | |
| 23:28 | eythian | ah, I've seen weird things happen with the letter table. |
| 23:29 | dcook | I'm wondering if the indexes aren't there... |
| 23:30 | gmcharlt | dcook: could you paste the output of 'show create table message_queue;' from both dev and production? |
| 23:30 | jcamins | dcook: I suggest getting the CREATE TABLE command for each table, and diffing them. |
| 23:32 | dcook | Hmm, they're identical |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Compare other tables. |
| 23:33 | * jcamins | would compare all the tables. |
| 23:33 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "message_queue create" (43 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 |
| 23:33 | jcamins | mysqldump --no-data |
| 23:36 | gmcharlt | dcook: another thing to check -- start a new mysql session, then do SELECT @@FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS; |
| 23:37 | dcook | jcamins: Dev has a few more tables that didn't get dropped when I downgraded but I can't imagine them getting in the way |
| 23:37 | jcamins | dcook: message_transport_type? |
| 23:37 | wahanui | message_transport_type is, like, print. I would like email |
| 23:38 | dcook | gmcharlt: Still says 1 :/ |
| 23:41 | gmcharlt | hmm |
| 23:41 | could you paste the exact error message? | |
| 23:41 | dcook | gmcharlt: Just about to :) |
| 23:41 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "error message" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 |
| 23:43 | dcook | I'm going to drop the dev db and try this again |
| 23:46 | Dang...still no error... | |
| 23:47 | gmcharlt | dcook: select count(*) from suggestions where suggestedby is not null and suggestedby not in (select borrowernumber from borrowers); |
| 23:47 | * gmcharlt | would be willing to get that the order in question has a suggested where suggestedby = 0 |
| 23:47 | dcook | 4 |
| 23:47 | gmcharlt | or refers to a borrower that got deleted after making the suggestion |
| 23:48 | dcook | I checked the suggestion earlier and it had a borrowernumber which had already been deleted from borrowers |
| 23:48 | Yeah, the latter | |
| 23:49 | Hmm... | |
| 23:49 | No entry got made in the dev system | |
| 23:50 | I imagine that it returned a warning rather than an error and that warning isn't captured | |
| 23:51 | {'RaiseError' => $ENV{DEBUG}?1:0 }) | |
| 23:51 | I bet the prod system has that environmental variable set and the dev system doesn't | |
| 23:51 | Which is interesting.. | |
| 23:52 | gmcharlt | the apache log in prod would be quite verbose if it were set |
| 23:53 | dcook | I've often thought it was rather verbose (although not always as much as I would like) |
| 23:53 | Should find out in about 40 seconds | |
| 23:53 | eythian | it's far too verbose at the moment. |
| 23:53 | mostly with meaningless warnings | |
| 23:53 | dcook | Yeah, the meaningless warnings suck, that's true |
| 23:54 | Yep, that was it | |
| 23:54 | Set on prod but not on dev | |
| 23:55 | Apache config is the only thing that would've been different | |
| 23:55 | eythian | hmm. So if debug is not set, you get things failing mostly silently to the user? That's not ideal. |
| 23:56 | dcook | eythian: Agreed |
| 23:56 | I think I ran into this same thing elsewhere a few months ago |
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