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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | I wonder what happens for anonymous suggestions..I suppose you need to have an anonymous patron set up so probably just failed emails |
| 00:00 | Or you'd have the same error if folks left the syspref at 0 | |
| 00:01 | eythian | dcook: that's what you have to do, yes |
| 00:01 | Though I think it doesn't allow anon suggestions if you don't have an anon patron (IIRC) | |
| 00:01 | as in, the UI for it doesn't show up. | |
| 00:02 | dcook | Something like that |
| 00:02 | Or rather... | |
| 00:02 | I think you can make anonymous suggestions, but they don't appear in the management UI | |
| 00:02 | Which is a bit problematic...(at least, that was in 3.8.0) | |
| 00:02 | * dcook | is really looking forward to upgrading at some point... |
| 00:02 | eythian | I remember looking at this some time ago, so my memory may be hazy. |
| 00:02 | it would have been around 3.8 that I was looking into it | |
| 00:03 | dcook | I suppose the easiest thing to do is just check if the borrowernumber is valid before trying to send the email |
| 00:08 | jcamins | dcook: or add an ON DELETE CASCADE to message_queue, since the manual already says that if you haven't set up an anonymous patron, you can't use certain anonymous features. |
| 00:09 | dcook | O_o |
| 00:10 | Wouldn't those be two separate things? | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | Yes, I'm suggesting that the anonymous patron is a non-issue wrt to the problem you ran into, and the problem you ran into can be solved by deleting messages in the queue when a borrower is deleted. |
| 00:11 | dcook | Actually, message_queue already has a cascading delete for the borrowernumber FK. Hmm.. |
| 00:11 | jcamins | There we go, then. Very sensible. |
| 00:11 | dcook | Ah, but that's not the problem |
| 00:11 | * gmcharlt | would personally prefer that suggestedby just be made nullable and an on delete set null FK to borrowers.borrowernumber |
| 00:11 | dcook | ^^ |
| 00:11 | That would do it | |
| 00:12 | * dcook | thinks this also makes the most sense |
| 00:12 | jcamins | Oh, I misunderstood the problem. |
| 00:12 | * jcamins | is writing a presentation, and just skimmed. |
| 00:12 | rocio left #koha | |
| 00:12 | jcamins | I thought the problem was a stuck e-mail for a patron that was deleted. |
| 00:12 | dcook | No worries, jcamins |
| 00:13 | Hmm | |
| 00:13 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 00:13 | dcook | I might make a local stopgap in the meantime but also report a Bugzilla issue for this one |
| 00:14 | It would probably need to be checked a bit more thoroughly to see if it would cause issues anywhere else with suggestions | |
| 00:15 | gmcharlt | yeah, there's one obvious question of what a library wants to happen to an active suggestion made by a patron that's to be deleted |
| 00:15 | dcook | Yeah, I was pondering that as well. |
| 00:15 | gmcharlt | on the other hand, if a patron has made a recent suggestion, that might be reason to consider them active enough to avoid the automatic pruge |
| 00:16 | dcook | Automatic purge? Do we have one of those? |
| 00:17 | gmcharlt | tools/cleanborrower.pl |
| 00:18 | dcook | (Snap, I think there is a Cyanogenmod build for my 2.5 year old smart phone...that's awesome) |
| 00:18 | gmcharlt | and misc/cronjobs/delete_patrons.pl |
| 00:18 | dcook | Huh, I knew about cleanborrower.pl, but I didn't know about delete_patrons.pl |
| 00:19 | I didn't realize that cleanborrower was based on borrowing dates. That could be a bit problematic as well.. | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | What with it not taking into account electronic resources? Yeah. |
| 00:20 | dcook | Indeed |
| 00:20 | Casual use of the library as well, although that one is more difficult to track | |
| 00:21 | (Damn it. Now I really want to install CyanogenMod on my phone, but...my new one hasn't arrived yet...) | |
| 00:21 | jcamins | That one's not as much of a problem, though, I think... if you haven't come into the library in two years, you probably would understand if they wanted you to confirm your address, etc. |
| 00:21 | dcook | (Ah, based on Gingerbread anyway, so it might not be much of an improvement, anyway.) |
| 00:22 | jcamins: Good point. | |
| 00:57 | drojf | in master, the second i start typing in the global sysprefs search field, the focus jumps to the search field on top of the page. can anyone reproduce that? i did not find a bug for it and i'm not sure if it is a local problem |
| 01:02 | dcook | I'll take a look, drojf |
| 01:02 | drojf | thanks dcook |
| 01:03 | dcook | Erm. Just give me a minute. |
| 01:06 | drojf: fwiw, what browser are you using? | |
| 01:07 | drojf | iceweasel… some ancient firefox on debian |
| 01:07 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:07 | drojf | 17. lol. i think they are at something like 28 |
| 01:07 | dcook | Yeah, I think my Firefox on here is 26 or so |
| 01:07 | drojf | i should try a later one, good point |
| 01:08 | dcook | Ah, I was just curious because I tend to use Chrome/Chromium almost exclusively |
| 01:08 | drojf | on the other hand, we want so support IE7 :P |
| 01:08 | dcook | That we do |
| 01:08 | * dcook | cringes |
| 01:08 | dcook | I'm one of the pro supporting IE7 folks :p |
| 01:08 | Mostly because we have clients who have to use it :( | |
| 01:09 | drojf | what other reason would there be… ;) |
| 01:09 | * dcook | wonders if there are any actual library users using IE |
| 01:09 | dcook | Or if it's all library staff |
| 01:09 | drojf | does the staff client work with IE7? |
| 01:09 | eythian | is IE7 still supported? |
| 01:09 | drojf | i thought that is only for the OPAC |
| 01:09 | rangi | nope |
| 01:09 | eythian | like, by microsoft |
| 01:09 | rangi | nope |
| 01:09 | in fact they tell you to use firefox | |
| 01:09 | if you cant upgrade from xp yet | |
| 01:10 | drojf | that is why the FOSS scene should keep it alive ^^ |
| 01:10 | or even http://saveie6.com/ | |
| 01:10 | * dcook | is still bitter about the whole IE 11 thing |
| 01:10 | dcook | Let's make it harder for you to develop for our inferior software by making it say that it's better than it is... |
| 01:10 | eythian | what IE11 thing? |
| 01:11 | dcook | They've changed the appName to Netscape from Microsoft Internet Explorer |
| 01:11 | They've also removed the MSIE from wherever that was | |
| 01:11 | Admittedly, feature detection is better than browser detection, but sometimes you just have to do the latter | |
| 01:12 | eythian | oh right |
| 01:12 | * dcook | is finally rebased and upgraded |
| 01:12 | dcook | Ok, so what was that again, drojf? |
| 01:12 | rangi | i dont think the project needs to support ie7 |
| 01:12 | dcook | Is this from "/cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl"? |
| 01:13 | rangi | if support companies have to, that's their problem |
| 01:13 | (we currently have to, for a little while longer for at least one client) | |
| 01:13 | dcook | rangi: Touché |
| 01:13 | I should put together a profile of clients we need to support ie7 for | |
| 01:13 | rangi | and charge them double |
| 01:14 | dcook | Indeed |
| 01:14 | rangi | we actually do when it comes to design, not double, but it will cost more |
| 01:14 | cos it takes a lot more work | |
| 01:14 | dcook | I think that's reasonable |
| 01:14 | Such more more work | |
| 01:14 | rangi | yep |
| 01:14 | dcook | Such = so |
| 01:14 | s/more/much/ | |
| 01:14 | rangi | heh |
| 01:14 | * dcook | can't type today apparently |
| 01:15 | drojf | dcook: yep, on cgi-bin/koha/admin/admin-home.pl if i choose the search field under 'global system preferences', focus changes to the search field on top |
| 01:15 | dcook | I did a spell check of an article I wrote without spellcheck though...no spelling errors. I was happy with that. |
| 01:15 | drojf: I just tried it and it seems fine :/ | |
| 01:15 | drojf | *focus changes when i press any key |
| 01:15 | ok | |
| 01:15 | i have no userjs, i just checked | |
| 01:15 | dcook | That's in Chrome on Windows 8 |
| 01:15 | drojf | oh |
| 01:16 | its a translation thing. i changed to english to see how the field is named correctly, and it works | |
| 01:16 | :) | |
| 01:16 | dcook | Glad you figured it out. Sucks that it exists :/ |
| 01:16 | drojf | my translation files are just not up to date |
| 01:16 | that's fine | |
| 01:16 | usually oi dont use german in master | |
| 01:16 | not sure why it was enabled | |
| 01:17 | thanks for trying! that really confused me | |
| 01:18 | dcook | np :) |
| 01:22 | rangi | tracked it down |
| 01:22 | it never tries to reconnect | |
| 01:22 | (this is my Zconn thing) | |
| 01:23 | under cgi its fine, script dies, new connection | |
| 01:23 | under plack, timesout from inactivity | |
| 01:23 | new connection is never made | |
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| 01:35 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 01:35 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:38 | drojf | looks like you can basically install everything on hetzner root servers. cool. i guess i'll start with a regular debian and multiple instances anyway in case anything comes out of that "join the koha hosting business" thing |
| 01:39 | rangi | yeah im using hetzner |
| 01:40 | drojf | root server or vps? |
| 01:40 | rangi | vps |
| 01:40 | http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ <-- thats on there | |
| 01:40 | amongst other things | |
| 01:42 | drojf | cool |
| 01:44 | the vps are only single core so i was thinking of a root server. i had two libraries ask about hosting and that seems much more powerful than two vps | |
| 01:44 | rangi | yep |
| 01:46 | dcook | join the koha hosting business! |
| 01:46 | * dcook | thinks rangi has servers all over the world |
| 01:46 | rangi | pretty much |
| 01:47 | * dcook | should really join in on this cloud thang |
| 01:49 | drojf | i tried to tell libraries to host their own koha for quite a while now. i accept that is not for everyone, and i also would not mind to be able to continue working with koha after my contract ends in march. so, well, if they insist, i might host it. ^^ |
| 01:50 | eythian | We've found that (to generalise) there are two main schools of thought for libraries: those (often regional councils) who must in-house everything they can, and those (often government) who outsource everything they can. Probably to avoid their own IT people. |
| 01:50 | So for the latter, we host, for the former, we just support and they host. | |
| 01:51 | drojf | avoid_own_it_people++ (unfortunately those that should be avoided are the ones that are used) |
| 01:52 | eythian | In general, we've found the council IT to be pretty good. These are small councils, so might have just a few people, all of whom are competent. |
| 01:52 | drojf | but yes. i was thinking of support for people that host in-house but need the certain 'X' on top of that. now that there seems to be demand for the other way round i consider doing that too |
| 01:53 | rangi | IT depts, ruining it for everyone since 1982 |
| 01:53 | eythian | I can believe that. Universities tend to get quite political internally. |
| 01:54 | dcook | Outsourcing makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways though |
| 01:54 | Depending on the price | |
| 01:55 | * dcook | was going to use the example of the people who mow his lawn, then he remembered that he's actually being ripped off for that and that it's not a good example at all |
| 01:56 | drojf | if there is no infrastructure available, it may cost you time and money worth months of hosting just to get the right stuff. and then you need to get it working ^^ |
| 01:56 | dcook | Totes |
| 01:56 | And maintained | |
| 01:56 | drojf | and you can do a lot of weird things when installing koha without any idea what you are doing |
| 01:59 | rangi | outsourcing is a lot safer with floss |
| 02:00 | drojf | sure. just having the option of switching the vendor is fantastic |
| 02:00 | try that with a closed library system… | |
| 02:01 | rangi | also |
| 02:01 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305viYB-G1U | |
| 02:01 | 91 years old, and still awesome! | |
| 02:02 | dcook | I have no idea what I'm looking at right now |
| 02:02 | * dcook | says in reference to the video |
| 02:03 | dcook | Ah, apparently I had Mogwai on in the background too |
| 02:03 | That might've contributed.. | |
| 02:03 | drojf | i had headphones plugged in and wondered why he's whispering |
| 02:06 | * dcook | debates staying in or going out for lunch... |
| 02:06 | drojf | yeah he's cool. if i ever make it to >90 i will cover that song :D |
| 02:07 | rangi | :) |
| 02:08 | so thats the lounge -> metal | |
| 02:08 | and kinda going back the other way | |
| 02:08 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLAbAp5tbU0 | |
| 02:10 | drojf | that's horrible. in a fascinating kind of way. |
| 02:10 | rangi | hehe |
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| 02:38 | eythian | Richard Cheese is pretty good. |
| 02:45 | dcook | Richard Cheese is the best. |
| 02:46 | * mtompset | tacks on a "in my opinion" implicitly. ;) |
| 02:46 | dcook | I think he still might be touring too.. |
| 02:46 | Nope. Objective fact, mtompset. :p | |
| 02:46 | mtompset | Well, best... No. Pretty good. Yes. |
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| 02:51 | eythian | Yeah, it's objective, not opinion. |
| 03:00 | mtompset | You can't say best, unless you have listened to everything in the universe. |
| 03:02 | eythian | Can too |
| 03:06 | mtompset | How can you definitively know something is the best without knowing everything? |
| 03:07 | probably could get it within a confidence interval range with limited knowledge, but 100% certainty requires 100% knowledge. | |
| 03:09 | eythian | I just know. |
| 03:09 | mtompset | I admire your faith, eythian, but I can't say that I agree with it. |
| 03:10 | Unless you care to define your criteria for knowing, in which case I may have to agree based on definition if your criteria fit. | |
| 03:11 | eythian | You don't have to agree, but that will make you wrong, of course. |
| 03:11 | Everybody who I know is right always agrees with me. | |
| 03:12 | * mtompset | laughs, "Okay." |
| 03:13 | mtompset | On an aside, I've almost made the News by Branch patch split into nice parts. YAY! |
| 03:13 | Should be done in 24 hours. YAY! | |
| 03:20 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 03:20 | Brooke | o/ |
| 03:20 | dcook | \o |
| 03:22 | mtompset | Greetings, Brooke. |
| 03:22 | Brooke | how's it going? |
| 03:23 | mtompset | Oh, and belated greetings eythian dcook rangi. |
| 03:23 | wizzyrea: You here? | |
| 03:23 | @seen wizzyrea | |
| 03:23 | huginn | mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 46 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> 3.6 was lovely and stable |
| 03:25 | mtompset | I was going to ask about quick slips and news. |
| 03:25 | (since I'm in the midst of tweaking the final stages on my patches) | |
| 03:27 | ebegin | hey #koha ! |
| 03:29 | mtompset | Greetings, ebegin. |
| 03:29 | dcook | hey ebegin :) |
| 03:29 | mtompset | Comment ça va à Montréal? :) |
| 03:30 | ebegin | mtompset, Je suis à Ottawa en ce moment |
| 03:30 | mtompset | Ah, across the river. :) |
| 03:31 | How far is Ottawa from Montreal? | |
| 03:31 | ebegin | yep :-) We (with francharb) giving a training to a new client nearby, on the Quebec side |
| 03:31 | mtompset, about 2 hours | |
| 03:32 | mtompset | So basically a good days drive from here to Montreal then. :) |
| 03:32 | ~8 hours. | |
| 03:32 | ebegin | yep. I did it once in order to spend few days in Toronto area |
| 03:36 | dcook | Ahh, je pense que j'ai trouvé un bon méthode pour changer les langues avec mon clavier dans Windows... |
| 03:36 | \o/ | |
| 03:38 | ebegin | dcook, ça semble fonctionner :) |
| 03:38 | dcook | D'accord :) |
| 03:39 | ebegin | dcook, usually, you can set multiple languages / keyboard and switch them using a key combinason. I use Ctrl + Shift |
| 03:39 | dcook | Yeah, that's what I've done in the past but Windows 8 is a bit different |
| 03:39 | Windows key + Space is now the default combination now | |
| 03:40 | (minus one of those nows..) | |
| 03:41 | I cannot remember if I prefer Canadian French or Canadian Multilingual Standard | |
| 03:41 | Possibly the former.. | |
| 03:42 | Ouais, certainement le premier choix. | |
| 03:43 | mtompset | To be honest, I just cut and paste my text from external sources. :) |
| 03:43 | dcook | mtompset: You can cheat using Alt + numberpad in most cases. It doesn't work so well with the IRC clients I've used though |
| 03:43 | mtompset | I used to remember the alt codes for accents. :) |
| 03:43 | ebegin | dcook, It usually depends on your keybord layout |
| 03:44 | mtompset, é = alt + 130 | |
| 03:44 | * dcook | did the majority of his 100-level French using alt + numberpad |
| 03:44 | mtompset | dcook++ # you're the man! :) |
| 03:44 | dcook | When I started writing essays in French for the 200/300 level courses, it was time to switch to actual keyboards though :p |
| 03:45 | ebegin: Yeah, that makes sense. Usually a person can change the combination as well. | |
| 03:45 | mtompset | could you get the spell checker to correct your English typed words to the correct French? ;) |
| 03:45 | dcook | Mmm, sometimes |
| 03:46 | I was pretty careful though. Good dictionaries. | |
| 03:46 | I think the hardest part is remembering some of the finer intricacies of the grammar | |
| 03:46 | Although studying French made me understand English grammar way better.. | |
| 03:47 | ebegin | if you need a very good (but not free) spell checker, I recommand Antidote : www.druide.com/antidote.html |
| 03:47 | * Brooke | remembers how utterly intimidating a French keyboard is. |
| 03:47 | dcook | ebegin: Antidote has a mobile app too, no? |
| 03:47 | ebegin | Can not leave without it, even for a native french |
| 03:47 | Brooke | I don't know how y'all swap back and forth without losing your bloody minds |
| 03:47 | mtompset | Frustrating would be the word I use, Brooke. :) |
| 03:47 | ebegin | dcook, I think so |
| 03:48 | Brooke, you means a french keyboard from France. | |
| 03:48 | dcook | Brooke: That's a good question. There are still a few keys I don't know in the Canadian French keyboards but overall...it seems like muscle memory |
| 03:48 | ebegin | Our keyboard, in Quebec, have the same layout as the US, with minor differences for the diacritics |
| 03:49 | dcook | Hmm, my browser didn't like that antidote page |
| 03:49 | Brooke | ebegin: yep |
| 03:49 | mtompset | Ooooo.... sweet! My patches apply to 3.14.x nicely with no changes. :) |
| 03:49 | @seen tcohen | |
| 03:49 | huginn | mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 10 hours, 58 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <tcohen> @karma |
| 03:50 | ebegin | french keyboards from France are called « AZERTY » because of the first 6 letters. Other keyboards are called QWERTY, which should be the case for all people around here but BibLibers |
| 03:51 | Brooke | eythian++ for subbing in for druthb |
| 03:51 | mtompset | I learned about that recently, when a facebook friend of mine complained that they had thought they found a good cheap source for keyboards, but discovered they were AZERTY. |
| 03:51 | ebegin | So, instead of the Q as you have, they have the A, Z replaces our W. and so on. |
| 03:51 | mtompset, we do have a store like this near my office too :) | |
| 03:52 | mtompset | I can imagine that touch-typists get really messed up in the head if they have to switch keyboards. |
| 03:54 | ebegin | mtompset, francharb is funny when he fights its querty keyboard when he gives the training session :) |
| 03:55 | being french, he uses a azerty keyboard for years and now has to change... :) | |
| 03:55 | mtompset | @later tell tcohen A majority of the patches for bug 7567 can be applied against 3.14.x -- I haven't finished converting the big patch to smaller pieces yet, but all those smaller pieces there apply nicely. |
| 03:55 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:56 | mtompset | Why doesn't he just go buy an azerty keyboard and carry it with him? |
| 03:56 | dcook | Change is good ;) |
| 03:56 | wahanui | dcook: that doesn't look right |
| 03:56 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 03:57 | dcook | Ok, so wahanui doesn't like change... |
| 03:57 | eythian | he really doesn't. I've been meaning to figure out why, but haven't. |
| 03:57 | ebegin | change is really good |
| 03:57 | wahanui | ebegin: that doesn't look right |
| 03:57 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 03:58 | ebegin | wahanui gave up :) |
| 03:58 | wahanui | ebegin: huh? |
| 03:58 | ebegin | wahanui, yes, you left ;) |
| 03:58 | wahanui | ebegin: sorry... |
| 03:58 | ebegin | wahanui, np ;) |
| 03:58 | wahanui | ebegin: excuse me? |
| 03:59 | * ebegin | is not crazy, I know wahanui is a bot |
| 03:59 | ebegin | btw ;) |
| 03:59 | eythian | wahanui: are you a bot? |
| 03:59 | wahanui | wish i knew, eythian |
| 03:59 | eythian | wahanui: are \you a bot is <reply>What? No. |
| 03:59 | wahanui | ...but are you a bot is <reply>http://youtu.be/-Vzw1NdSZmc... |
| 04:00 | ebegin | eythian, is your name etienne ? |
| 04:00 | eythian | nope |
| 04:00 | ebegin | Nope, Robin ;) |
| 04:00 | eythian | yep :) |
| 04:00 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/v8G14REucsQ |
| 04:00 | ebegin | your nick sounds like if I was saying Etienne |
| 04:01 | eythian | I suppose it could. Everyone seems to pronounce it differently (and half the time, spell it differently too.) |
| 04:01 | * dcook | chuckles as he reads his scrollback |
| 04:02 | mtompset | What's the IPA for your name, eythian? ;) |
| 04:02 | * dcook | has often wondered about the origin of eythian's name |
| 04:02 | ebegin | mtompset, IPA ? |
| 04:02 | for me, IPA is Indian Pale Ale ;) | |
| 04:02 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:02 | ebegin | hmmmm... beeeeer |
| 04:02 | * dcook | prefers Indian Pale Ale to International Phonetic Alphabet |
| 04:03 | eythian | mtompset: there isn't one. |
| 04:03 | dcook | Already 3 o'clock here |
| 04:03 | eythian | dcook: it's shrouded in mystery |
| 04:03 | mtompset | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]Phonetic_Alphabet |
| 04:03 | dcook | eythian: Naturally. That's our eythian. |
| 04:04 | mtompset | Is it "eh?"-"th"-"ee"-"ann"? |
| 04:05 | ebegin | mtompset, thanks ! I was not aware of that in english |
| 04:05 | eythian | mtompset: that's not how I pronounce it. |
| 04:05 | but it is how many others do | |
| 04:05 | ebegin | mtompset is canadian, so he puts Eh! everywhere :) |
| 04:06 | mtompset | How do you pronounce it? |
| 04:06 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:06 | ebegin | so is dcook :-) |
| 04:06 | he doubles them | |
| 04:06 | he he | |
| 04:06 | dcook | :p |
| 04:07 | Living in Australia, I think I say "eh?" more than I did when I was in Canada. Subconscious refusal to give up my heritage ;). | |
| 04:08 | eythian | mtompset: eye-thee-in, but it was never intended to be particularly phonetic. |
| 04:08 | mtompset | Ah. So not ƐƟiƆn |
| 04:08 | ebegin | eythian, any signification ? |
| 04:08 | eythian | nope |
| 04:08 | ebegin | mtompset rules in IPA |
| 04:09 | does wahanui means something in maori ? | |
| 04:09 | eythian | yep |
| 04:09 | mtompset | Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟIn |
| 04:10 | eythian | I think it's like 'memory', though I'm not 100% sure |
| 04:10 | mtompset | Ah, so some sort of vowel slide, ƟiIn |
| 04:10 | eythian | oh no, wait, it's a name |
| 04:10 | mtompset | Forgot the 'ee'. :) |
| 04:11 | eythian | it's a name and a conch shell |
| 04:11 | I don't know which interpretation was intended for wahanui though | |
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| 04:12 | mtompset | ƆiƟiIn |
| 04:12 | Oh bother! Superscript doesn't cut and paste. | |
| 04:12 | eythian | oh, it also translates as "big mouth" if you treat it as waha nui |
| 04:12 | I suspect that's the interpretation. | |
| 04:12 | ebegin | wahanui, what does your name means ? |
| 04:12 | wahanui | ebegin: wish i knew |
| 04:12 | ebegin | :) |
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| 04:13 | * eythian | is totally failing to achieve anything here, might run off. |
| 04:14 | mtompset | Care to sign off tiny patches? ;) |
| 04:14 | Nevermind... I need to finish the last patch first. :) | |
| 04:15 | dcook | eythian: Time for beer |
| 04:15 | eythian | you might be on to something there, dcook |
| 04:17 | dcook | I think I might need one too. This script I'm looking at makes almost no sense. |
| 04:21 | mtompset | And beer will make it more sensible? |
| 04:22 | dcook | Beer might make me forget that it exists? |
| 04:26 | BobB_ | ebegin, eythian, I was lead to believe that wahanui means 'loud mouth' in Maori? |
| 04:29 | ebegin | BobB_, thanks ! it make sense in a way. wahanui is always talking :-) |
| 04:30 | BobB_ | that's it |
| 04:30 | mtompset | dcook: Then your test/changes wouldn't be thorough, but I can understand wanting to ignore it for a while. :) |
| 04:30 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha BobB_ ebegin eythian dcook. | |
| 04:36 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 04:36 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #229: "rangi: relax, I signed it off :)" (added by wizzyrea at 08:59 PM, January 02, 2013) |
| 04:48 | * ebegin | which he could fly to Australia to share a IPA with dcook |
| 04:48 | ebegin | @wunder ottawa, ontario |
| 04:48 | huginn | ebegin: The current temperature in General Burns, Ottawa, Ontario is -8.8°C (11:48 PM EST on December 18, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:49 | ebegin | -8 is not bad |
| 04:53 | dcook | ebegin: That sounds nice |
| 04:53 | The IPA rather than the temperature, that is ;) | |
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| 06:04 | gmcharlt | @worldtime CET |
| 06:05 | huginn | gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:04 |
| 06:05 | rangi | oh thats a handy one |
| 06:05 | good email bt | |
| 06:05 | w | |
| 06:05 | gmcharlt | @worldtime America/New_York |
| 06:05 | huginn | gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 01:05 |
| 06:06 | gmcharlt | @worldtime France/Paris |
| 06:06 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: I don't know about France/Paris |
| 06:06 | gmcharlt | @worldtime Europe/Paris |
| 06:06 | huginn | gmcharlt: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:06 |
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| 06:36 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4bebf93dde44de38f> / Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]38736db354559d1be> / Bug 9673: QA followup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]05024a9d9803a02cb |
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| 06:41 | cait | morning |
| 06:58 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:58 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 06:58 | magnuse | @worldtime Europe/Oslo |
| 06:58 | huginn | magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 07:58 |
| 06:59 | cait | @karma |
| 06:59 | huginn | cait: Highest karma: "oleonard" (806), "jcamins" (662), and "cait" (495). Lowest karma: "ie" (-125), "<!" (-116), and "failed" (-111). You (cait) are ranked 3 out of 2721. |
| 06:59 | magnuse | gmcharlt++ can't be said too often |
| 06:59 | cait | hmm |
| 07:03 | * dcook | started writing this really strange convoluted multi-dimensional array |
| 07:03 | dcook | Then I realized...if I have to make something this convoluted...something else is wrong further upstream |
| 07:18 | magnuse | and was it? :-) |
| 07:21 | dcook | Hmm |
| 07:21 | Well, it wasn't working properly, so yes | |
| 07:21 | I wonder if I could've fixed it within the existing framework, but I don't think so | |
| 07:21 | It needs to be completely re-imagined | |
| 07:21 | Don't know if it's worth the time, but it's broken so...:S | |
| 07:23 | magnuse | if it's broke, fix it ;-) |
| 07:24 | is it koha or something else? | |
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| 07:25 | dcook | something else, luckily enough :) |
| 07:25 | magnuse | yay! ;-) |
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| 07:29 | dcook | Bleargh...I should get moving. More Christmas stuff to buy... |
| 07:32 | cait | hi dcook |
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| 07:33 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:33 | dcook | hey cait |
| 07:33 | salut reiveune | |
| 07:34 | reiveune | salut dcook :) |
| 07:34 | dcook | All right. Time to indulge in holiday capitalism. Night all! |
| 07:36 | cait | hi reiveune |
| 07:37 | reiveune | bonjour cait, kathryn, magnuse :) |
| 07:41 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 07:41 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:41 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:43 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:43 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (8:40 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:43 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:43 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 9.4°C (8:43 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:09 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 08:16 | petter | morning koha! |
| 08:18 | cait | hi petter :) |
| 08:20 | matts | hi #koha ! |
| 08:20 | cait | hi matts :) |
| 08:20 | matts | hi cait ! |
| 08:20 | cait | matts: ready for christmas? :) |
| 08:22 | petter | Can someone enlighten me about Koha's DB-connections? |
| 08:22 | Is it using a thread-pool? | |
| 08:22 | How many concurrent request can it handle? | |
| 08:22 | cait | guess i am the wrong person to ask |
| 08:23 | maybe if you wait a bit - it's quite empty here this morning | |
| 08:23 | petter | ok |
| 08:23 | thanks for the advice! | |
| 08:23 | I'll be patient | |
| 08:23 | cait | not really a helpful one :) |
| 08:23 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 08:23 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (9:00 AM CET on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:28 | ashimema | @wunder Stevenage, UK |
| 09:28 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 5.4°C (9:21 AM GMT on December 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:28 | cait | good morning ashimema |
| 09:28 | ashimema | mornin' cait |
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| 09:29 | cait | hi drojf |
| 09:31 | interesting | |
| 09:31 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:31 | cait | can someone confirm that the itemtype form is broken when noitemtypeimagesis off? |
| 09:33 | hm filed abug | |
| 09:33 | bug 11424 | |
| 09:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11424 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Itemtype administration form is broken when noItemTypeImages is activated |
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| 10:39 | cait | thx Joubu |
| 10:42 | Joubu | cait: you're welcome :) |
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| 13:10 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:11 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
| 13:11 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 13:12 | nlegrand | Hey #koha :) |
| 13:12 | cait | hi nen |
| 13:12 | hi nlegrand | |
| 13:12 | i keep misreading your nick as nengard :( | |
| 13:13 | just need some more practice :) | |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | cait, doesn't your client have tab-completion? |
| 13:15 | s/client/IRC client/ | |
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| 13:23 | cait | tcohen: yeah, but i typed nen... and then realized there was no complete :) |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:25 | SlyzertVoltrond | hi |
| 13:25 | wahanui | hey, SlyzertVoltrond |
| 13:25 | SlyzertVoltrond | hey there |
| 13:27 | oleonard | I guess I need to step up on the signoffs. Or maybe stop submitting patches? http://paste.koha-community.org/27 |
| 13:27 | If only some of the other developers here at ACPL would get off their butts and start signing off | |
| 13:27 | Oh wait... Nope, just me. | |
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| 13:29 | cait | oleonard: take some cookies, go do sign offs... :P |
| 13:29 | SlyzertVoltrond | changing usercss in system preferences doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 13:30 | cait | maybe you have a syntax error |
| 13:30 | oleonard | Are those numbers for PTFS-Europe right? No signoffs? |
| 13:30 | cait | but ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 13:30 | oleonard | SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do? |
| 13:31 | ashimema | I was somewhat surprised by that too oleanard.. |
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| 13:32 | ashimema | I'm kicking some butt here to get our guys doing mroe sign-off.. though I'm surprised it's that low.. I'm sure I've talked some of them through it at least a few times each. |
| 13:33 | s/oleanard/oleonard/g | |
| 13:35 | jcamins | oleonard: I see one signoff each from Martin and Colin in 3.12, and presumably they signed off on those patches without changing bugzilla. |
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| 13:37 | jcamins | I think the statistics on the paste are off bz, though I could be mistaken. |
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| 13:39 | SlyzertVoltrond | my internet is kinda bonkers today |
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| 13:40 | ashimema | That might make sense.. either way we need to pull out weight more ;) |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Joubu: around? |
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| 13:42 | jcamins | SlyzertVoltrond: I think you need bip... |
| 13:42 | SlyzertVoltrond | bip? |
| 13:42 | wahanui | bip is pretty useful too :-) |
| 13:42 | jcamins | It's an IRC bouncer, so that you can see if anyone messages you while you're offline. |
| 13:42 | 08:30 < oleonard> SlyzertVoltrond: What version are you using, and what are you trying to do? | |
| 13:43 | Your connection is cutting out every minute or so. | |
| 13:43 | oleonard | ashimema: My comment was not meant to imply that I thought you guys were slacking, but that those stats are probably not counting some of your signoffs |
| 13:44 | SlyzertVoltrond | i've already answer to that message, though |
| 13:44 | "3.14, trying to change opac koha logo to a custom one" | |
| 13:44 | oleonard | SlyzertVoltrond: That message didn't reach us |
| 13:44 | Sheesh. | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | I wasn't joking about the minute thing! |
| 13:45 | Joubu | jcamins: yep |
| 13:46 | jcamins | Joubu: I've thought over your e-mail, and I have answers. |
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| 13:46 | * oleonard | can't complain about other people's work on Koha lately because he's been tied up in non Koha stuff for weeks |
| 13:46 | Joubu | jcamins: great :) |
| 13:46 | oleonard | SlyzertVoltrond: What OPAC theme? |
| 13:46 | jcamins | I'd love to see C4::Linker extended to handle auth-auth links, but at the moment there is nothing that handles them. |
| 13:47 | I think the syspref idea is going in the wrong direction, though. | |
| 13:48 | SlyzertVoltrond | bootstrap |
| 13:48 | wahanui | bootstrap is, like, running in a demo at http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz. It tracks, reasonably closely, the current master version of Koha |
| 13:48 | jcamins | Any field with a thesaurus (5xx) is (or can be) linked to other authorities. |
| 13:48 | oleonard | SlyzertVoltrond: Please paste your custom CSS at http://paste.koha-community.org/ or share a link to the OPAC you're working on |
| 13:48 | Joubu | And it seems, C4::Linker should be improved a lot for doing that |
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| 13:50 | jcamins | Yeah, that's why I didn't manage to include the improvement in any of my authority work. |
| 13:50 | Joubu | I thought to create a new zebra index, but I don't like the idea. |
| 13:55 | jcamins | I don't think you have an option. |
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| 13:55 | Joubu | jcamins: so the solution would be to extend C4::Linker? |
| 13:55 | jcamins | You're going to be creating a new Zebra index no matter what. |
| 13:55 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 13:55 | jcamins | That would be my recommendation, yeah. |
| 13:56 | Joubu | jcamins: ok thanks. For the moment I park the problem at the bottom of my todo list. |
| 13:57 | jcamins: we have several (internal) scripts doing some stuff like that. Maybe I will use them in a first step | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | Okay, time to make some peanut butter pileups. |
| 14:00 | oleonard | ...leading inevitably to an hours-long peanut butter gapers delay |
| 14:00 | jcamins | oleonard: yup. |
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| 14:10 | * magnuse | waves to tcohen |
| 14:11 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
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| 14:37 | pastebot | "SlyzertVoltrond" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opacusercss" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/40 |
| 14:38 | SlyzertVoltrond | opacsmallimage also doesn't work |
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| 14:40 | SlyzertVoltrond | oleonard: sorry it took me a while |
| 14:40 | cait | i think someone else said that opacsmallimage was not working with the new bootstrap theme |
| 14:41 | oleonard | It doesn't. The Bootstrap theme doesn't support it |
| 14:41 | SlyzertVoltrond | oh, that's why |
| 14:41 | oleonard | SlyzertVoltrond: That CSS was designed for the prog theme. The Bootstrap theme is completely different |
| 14:42 | SlyzertVoltrond: You might look at using the opacheader preference for embedding your logo | |
| 14:42 | SlyzertVoltrond | i have to use html? |
| 14:44 | oleonard | Yes that's the best option with the Bootstrap theme since there is no fixed logo region |
| 14:44 | SlyzertVoltrond | ok, i'll try to look into it |
| 14:44 | thanks for the help | |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | oleonard: ACPL is not a multi-developer organization :) |
| 14:49 | oleonard | You're telling me! |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | a distinction I was trying to allude to, but clearly didn't make well enough, is expectations for commercial firms |
| 14:51 | where I do think that participation in community patch review needs to be an expected part of the process | |
| 14:51 | (and yes, accounted for in one's rates, of course) | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | can anyone qa bug 10905 |
| 14:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on |
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| 15:10 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]590c1471ad5d08ad8> / Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3b7ca3275cb0e6f58> / Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected <http://git.koha-c |
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| 15:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e85e6f3d09aa873d> |
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| 15:27 | SlyzertVoltrond | oleonard: btw, you should update your koha blog sometimes |
| 15:27 | oleonard | Yes I should :) |
| 15:27 | SlyzertVoltrond | i learned so much from it |
| 15:28 | thanks for sharing your expertise with others | |
| 15:29 | oleonard | Actually I have a Bootstrap post in progress but I keep getting pulled away by other things |
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| 15:30 | SlyzertVoltrond | that would be very nice indeed hehe |
| 16:13 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:26 | gmcharlt | quick -- everybody stop distracting oleonard! |
| 16:27 | oleonard | Actually you guys are doing a pretty good job of that today ;) |
| 16:27 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I guess I shouldn't tell him how delicious the peanut butter pileups look, then? |
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| 16:31 | oleonard | Instagram that pileup! |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I am eating my breakfast now... and yet I want those cookies |
| 16:36 | * barton | waves a box of star wars figure blasters in oleonard's face as a distraction. |
| 16:36 | * oleonard | hisses "Precious!" |
| 16:36 | barton | HA |
| 16:37 | jcamins | gmcharlt: they're pefect for breakfast. Lots of protein. |
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| 17:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4c1cb35bc4ea7baf> / Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1582da92287fbbef2> / Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly <http://git.koha- |
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| 17:17 | cait | hi #koha :) |
| 17:23 | rambutan | hi cait |
| 17:23 | cait | hi rambutan :) |
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| 17:51 | tcohen | @later tell rangi will jenkins_koha be online again? |
| 17:51 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:54 | tcohen | @later tell eythian can u tell me what can I improve on 10942 so it moves on? |
| 17:54 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:17 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 18:19 | tcohen | hi drojf |
| 18:19 | drojf | hi tcohen |
| 18:21 | tcohen | its been a while drojf |
| 18:23 | drojf | true. how are you? how is kohacon planning going? :) |
| 18:25 | tcohen | its fine, we are collecting hotel information |
| 18:25 | UNC has some agreements on the price with some in the city | |
| 18:25 | drojf | i so want to go |
| 18:26 | * magnuse | too |
| 18:26 | tcohen | :-D |
| 18:26 | drojf | i'll bring mate softdrinks ;) |
| 18:27 | * cait | too |
| 18:27 | tcohen | university is currently almost closed so i'm trying to make things flow with my librarians colleages so we have all the info this week |
| 18:27 | i hope you all come | |
| 18:27 | drojf | i hope you have travel grants :P |
| 18:28 | tcohen | heh, i'd like to |
| 18:29 | i picked the idea i heard in reno of inviting marshall b. to kohacon14 | |
| 18:29 | rambutan | let us know if he accepts |
| 18:30 | tcohen | he visited us in 2009 (i talked with him about Koha by then) |
| 18:30 | cait | oh didn't know |
| 18:30 | tcohen | we were starting our migration |
| 18:31 | we had just made our decision | |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Hm. I woner if Latah Library uses IE. |
| 18:43 | *wonder | |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Latah Library? |
| 18:47 | jcamins | The bug report about enter submitting in the cataloging interface. |
| 18:49 | I seem to recall wizzyrea fixing it a while ago. | |
| 18:57 | * magnuse | wonders if eythian will have time to package 3.14.1 before he goes on holiday |
| 18:59 | * tcohen | thinks of 3.12.8... |
| 19:00 | magnuse | are there any non-public, record level notes in marc21? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | magnuse: not private non-public. |
| 19:02 | magnuse | okelydokely |
| 19:03 | jcamins | magnuse: if you just need non-public non-public, you can use a 9xx field. |
| 19:14 | drojf | what's the difference between private non-public and non-public non-public? |
| 19:14 | i mean, how private can an entry in a marc record be? ^^ | |
| 19:15 | cait | ? |
| 19:15 | jcamins | drojf: in Koha it can't be. |
| 19:15 | cait | brb |
| 19:16 | jcamins | drojf: but if we filtered MARC records before outputting them to remove fields that were private, there could be truly private notes. |
| 19:17 | drojf | private to whom? i mean, what would be the purpose? fields only visible on a "per staff member" basis? or for one special user? |
| 19:17 | or just not at all? | |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Visible to staff only, is how I understood the question. |
| 19:18 | i.e. not accessible through the OPAC. | |
| 19:18 | drojf | oh. ok. i thought that was possible in koha |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Not on a record level. |
| 19:18 | Not even on an item level, really. | |
| 19:18 | drojf | ah maybe it was item level. oh. then i wonder what i looked at |
| 19:19 | jcamins | But, shh, we use security by obscurity to protct our secrets. |
| 19:19 | drojf | that's how the big players do it! :P |
| 19:20 | jcamins | Heh. Yeah, awesome. :P |
| 19:20 | drojf | wouldn't just a tweak to the xslt do it? |
| 19:21 | jcamins | No, that's just non-public non-public. |
| 19:21 | You can download the full record, with all "private" MARC fields. | |
| 19:21 | drojf | ah. now. yes, i did not think of that |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Most people don't. |
| 19:23 | drojf | oh no, all our secrets leaked /o\ :P |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | yes, one of the reasons why thinking of MARC as an interchange format is handy |
| 19:24 | i.e., if you don't want to interchange it... ;) | |
| 19:24 | drojf | heh |
| 19:25 | we actually had nonpublic information that i did not want in the opac. information from the old system, for reference. i think it got dropped anyway in the end, but if somebody would have liked to download the records and read that, no problem. ;) | |
| 19:29 | magnuse | i totally agree that secrets should be kept in marc. in fact, i rather lean towards the opinion that MARC must die! ;-) |
| 19:29 | gah | |
| 19:29 | s/should/should NOT/ | |
| 19:29 | jcamins | magnuse: on the other hand, if you're going for secrecy by obfuscation, MARC may be the ideal format. |
| 19:29 | magnuse | hehe, true! |
| 19:30 | and exchanging iso2709 records over z39.50? perfect obfuscation! ;-) | |
| 19:33 | * cait | waves |
| 19:33 | cait | :) |
| 19:34 | ugh | |
| 19:34 | drojf | imagine walking through a real life MARC world. a huge labyrinth crowded with weird drawers and files, across hundreds of rooms. and you have to find that one piece of information |
| 19:34 | cait | 217 new bug mails in my qa inbox |
| 19:34 | drojf | no, better don't. ^^ |
| 19:35 | cait: oh, that sounds like fun | |
| 19:35 | cait | if you need fun... i know a patch that needs some attention from a gemran speaker... |
| 19:39 | * drojf | hides |
| 19:39 | cait | hmpf |
| 19:39 | * cait | glares a little at drojf |
| 19:51 | rangi | morning |
| 19:53 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:54 | magnuse | kia ora rangi! |
| 19:54 | cait | how is friday so far? |
| 19:55 | rangi | https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]13739752761094144 |
| 19:58 | cait | cool :) |
| 19:59 | my plan to ask dcook about the days always fails because i get up too late... or he leaves work too early, not sure :) | |
| 20:00 | magnuse | wow, friday sounds pretty good :-) |
| 20:01 | cait | my last work day before christmas holidays :) |
| 20:02 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
| 20:02 | cait | bye magnuse :) |
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| 20:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1562 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1547 8 days 23 hr ago) |
| 20:19 | Starting build #268 for job master_maria (previous build: ABORTED -- last SUCCESS #264 8 days 23 hr ago) | |
| 20:22 | Starting build #430 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 20:22 | Project Koha_Docs build #430: SUCCESS in 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/430/ | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: update patron restriction info | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: update restrictions further | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: update restricted image in circ | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: remove 'flag' language from restrictions | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: update serials info | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: add manage frequencies section | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: add number patterns section | |
| 20:22 | * Nicole C. Engard: link to new serials sections | |
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| 20:27 | nengard | so .. i said this last week and was wrong ... but right now i do finally think i'm done with the 3.14 manual (at least as far as adding all the new stuff to it) |
| 20:27 | If I don't find anything when I get back in 2014 I'll branch the manual then | |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | nengard++ |
| 20:50 | rangi | right so ive figured out the error we have with zebra connection tracking |
| 20:50 | what we do is, check if there is an errorcode | |
| 20:50 | jcamins | rangi++ |
| 20:50 | rangi | now, that error code gets set if the last action resulted in an error |
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| 20:50 | rangi | so if the last action was ok |
| 20:50 | but in the meantime the connection timed out | |
| 20:51 | we still think its ok | |
| 20:51 | because no error code | |
| 20:51 | then we try to use it, it doesnt work | |
| 20:51 | error code, next time we get a new connection | |
| 20:51 | so we get one failed search | |
| 20:51 | (under cgi we do a new connection every script run, so this never manifests) | |
| 20:52 | so im gonna change the code, to do a simple action, that would trigger an error if the connection has timed out | |
| 20:52 | then check the error code | |
| 20:52 | drojf | zebra ping? |
| 20:53 | cait | rangi++ |
| 20:53 | rangi | yeah, i wish that existed in the ZOOM library |
| 20:53 | but it doesnt | |
| 20:53 | cait | do they have a wish list we could put it on? :) |
| 20:54 | rangi | naw |
| 20:54 | cos they will just tell us we should be using yaz-proxy between koha and zebra | |
| 20:54 | cos it handles all that for us | |
| 20:54 | which is true | |
| 20:54 | but aint nobody got time for that today | |
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| 20:57 | jcamins | rangi: I guess $conn->check() didn't do it? |
| 20:57 | rangi | naw that does the same thing |
| 20:57 | checks if an error is pending | |
| 20:57 | Checks whether an error is pending on the connection, and throw a ZOOM::Exception object if so. | |
| 20:57 | jcamins | That's a bit of a useless method then, isn't it. |
| 20:57 | rangi | it is |
| 20:57 | unless you run right after an action | |
| 20:58 | ie do a ->scan | |
| 20:58 | check | |
| 20:58 | before trying to fetch the resultset | |
| 20:58 | bascially zebra/z3950/zoom | |
| 20:58 | all arent designed for persistent connections | |
| 20:59 | in theory we could just open a connection and destroy it each time | |
| 20:59 | thats what we do under cgi anyway | |
| 20:59 | but id prefer not to do that if i can find a cheap/quick way to test | |
| 20:59 | jcamins | I guess the question would be which is faster. |
| 20:59 | rangi | maybe scan('a') |
| 21:00 | or something | |
| 21:00 | wahanui | something is sketchy |
| 21:00 | rangi | i dunno |
| 21:01 | ill try some things | |
| 21:03 | jcamins | How do you trigger the bug consistently? |
| 21:03 | rangi | run a bunch of searches |
| 21:03 | then wait some longish period of time | |
| 21:03 | try again | |
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| 21:04 | rangi | sometimes it takes quite a while, but it needs to be on a system only you are using |
| 21:04 | or other people keep connections active :) | |
| 21:05 | gmcharlt | rangi: random thought, may be worthless -- stick metaproxy in front of Zebra? |
| 21:06 | jcamins | Right. I was probably just too impatient when I was trying to figure out this bug. |
| 21:06 | rangi | yeah, yazproxy or metaproxy would work |
| 21:06 | thats actually what indexdata suggest | |
| 21:06 | if you want connection pooling etc, yaz-proxy is the way to do it | |
| 21:07 | basically if we want plack | |
| 21:07 | we have to fix this in some way, and make it easily upgradable etc | |
| 21:08 | its easy for me to just whack up yaz-proxy on our servers, but to do it in an upstreamable way is a bit more difficult | |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #268: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/268/ |
| 21:11 | * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 9224: Make acqui/finishreceive.pl Plack-compatible | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial numbering patterns mandatory during installation | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11261: make sample serial frequencies mandatory during installation | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11255: allow "relevance ascending" as a sort option | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11124: disallow trying to run the staff benchmark script as the DB account | |
| 21:11 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up resolving a warning and three typos | |
| 21:11 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11124: QA Follow-up adding optional dependency HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9224 normal, P5 - low, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , acqui/finishreceive.pl is not Plack-compatible |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: Display acquisition details on the catalogue detail page |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8230: (follow-up) reflect the fact that order statuses are now alphabetic codes | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: DBrev 3.15.00.005 | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) don't link to basket unless user has appropriate permissions | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) fix detection of cancelled orders | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) repair regression on order search | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 8230: (follow-up) update POD for C4::Acquisition::GetHistory | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: serials search improvements | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11261 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Sample frequencies and numbering patterns should better be mandatory on install |
| 21:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11255 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , sort by relevance asc generates a wrong query | |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10852: (follow-up) rename the "expiration date" filter name |
| 21:11 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10852: (follow-up) switch from KohaAuthorisedValues to AuthorisedValues | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) tweak wording of serials search form | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) fix POD for C4::Serials::NewSubscription | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11124 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not work with sql administrator account |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) regression tests |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10852: (follow-up) update the POD for C4::Serials::SearchSubscriptions | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8230 enhancement, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Show the ordered status in catalogue page |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626 - Remove doubled up TT plugins - Merge KohaBranchName and Branches |
| 21:11 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10626: (follow-up) replace another use of KohaBranchName | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Add 3 filters to the serials search |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Frédéric Demians: Bug 11277: fix errors with search facet links in Bootstrap theme |
| 21:11 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 7934: generate separate PO files for help pages | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10626 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Remove doubled up TT plugins |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11249: Add Db indexes on borrowers names |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11249: DBRev 3.15.00.006 | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 7518: regression test double-quote in search operand | |
| 21:11 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7518: certain searches with quotation marks don't work | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11277 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Bootstrap theme: error in link for showing all facets |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807 : Make it possible to view a basket group without reopening it |
| 21:11 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) fix variable name | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Separate po file for help pages |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9807: (follow-up) reindent basketgroup.tt |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9807: (follow-up) quell warning if invoice price not set | |
| 21:11 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation update - split staff UI and help files | |
| 21:11 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9673 - Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn | |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9673: QA followup | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: DBRev 3.15.00.007 | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11249 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Add db indexes on borrowers names |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9673: (follow-up) update DBIx::Class schema classes |
| 21:11 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: regression test for picking random quote | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7518 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , searches with quotation marks don't work |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11279: Improve how a new quote of the day is selected |
| 21:11 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11279: (follow-up) remove unnecessary check on number of quotes | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , There should be a way to show the content of a basketgroup without reopening it |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Gaetan Boisson: Bug 11417: make sure remove_unused_authorities.pl accepts --test |
| 21:11 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11228: Improve hint on patron notification when adding/editing subscriptions | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Track when items are marked as lost or withdrawn |
| 21:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11279 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature won't pick a quote | |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11179: make OPAC course details page display status of checked out items correctly |
| 21:11 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11179: (follow-up) apply fix to Boostrap theme | |
| 21:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11179: (follow-up) add comment to item-status.inc | |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11417 major, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , remove_unused_authorities.pl doesn't accept --test |
| 21:11 | rangi | and thats what happens when a build gets stuck for 6 days |
| 21:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11228 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Explanation on 'patron notification' is not quite right |
| 21:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11179 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , opac-course-details.pl shows item as available when it is checked out | |
| 21:17 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #269 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #264 9 days 0 hr ago) |
| 21:18 | jcamins | What's been going on with jenkins that it hasn't been able to build? |
| 21:19 | rangi | it was just hung on one of hte nodes, galens one .. because .. java |
| 21:20 | jcamins | Ah. Right. |
| 21:28 | eythian | hi |
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| 21:29 | eythian | @later tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it. |
| 21:29 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:30 | eythian | @later tell tcohen from memory, there isn't really anything that needs to be fixed up. If I find the time, I'll do some signoff on it. |
| 21:30 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:30 | rangi | @worldtime |
| 21:30 | huginn | rangi: (worldtime <channel> <timezone> <format>) -- Displays time in spesificed timezone. |
| 21:30 | rangi | @worldtime PST |
| 21:30 | huginn | rangi: Error: I don't know about PST |
| 21:31 | rangi | gmcharlt: you are in the same timezone as kgs eh? |
| 21:31 | whats the time? :) | |
| 21:48 | eythian | @worldtime Pacific/Auckland |
| 21:48 | huginn | eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48 |
| 21:48 | eythian | @worldtime AEST |
| 21:48 | huginn | eythian: Error: I don't know about AEST |
| 21:48 | eythian | @worldtime NZDT |
| 21:48 | huginn | eythian: Error: I don't know about NZDT |
| 21:48 | eythian | @worldtime Antarctica/McMurdo |
| 21:48 | huginn | eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 10:48 |
| 21:49 | rangi | ah ha |
| 21:50 | @worldtime California/USA | |
| 21:50 | huginn | rangi: Error: I don't know about California/USA |
| 21:50 | rangi | @worldtime California |
| 21:50 | huginn | rangi: Error: I don't know about California |
| 21:54 | rambutan | @worldtime pacific standard |
| 21:54 | huginn | rambutan: Error: I don't know about pacific |
| 21:54 | rambutan | @worldtime usa/mountain |
| 21:54 | huginn | rambutan: Error: I don't know about usa/mountain |
| 21:54 | rambutan | @worldtime us/mountain |
| 21:54 | huginn | rambutan: Error: I don't know about us/mountain |
| 21:54 | rambutan | man worldtime |
| 21:55 | @worldtime zulu | |
| 21:55 | huginn | rambutan: Error: I don't know about zulu |
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| 22:02 | eythian | @worldtime US/Mountain |
| 22:02 | huginn | eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 15:02 |
| 22:02 | eythian | case sensitive |
| 22:02 | @worldtime NZ | |
| 22:02 | huginn | eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:02 |
| 22:02 | eythian | @worldtime NZ-CHAT |
| 22:02 | huginn | eythian: Friday 20 December 2013 11:47 |
| 22:03 | eythian | @worldtime posix/UTC |
| 22:03 | huginn | eythian: Error: I don't know about posix/UTC |
| 22:03 | magnuse | @worldtime Sacramento/America |
| 22:03 | huginn | magnuse: Error: I don't know about Sacramento/America |
| 22:04 | magnuse | @worldtime Los Angeles/America |
| 22:04 | huginn | magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los |
| 22:04 | magnuse | @worldtime Los_Angeles/America |
| 22:04 | huginn | magnuse: Error: I don't know about Los_Angeles/America |
| 22:04 | magnuse | gah |
| 22:05 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #269: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/269/ |
| 22:06 | eythian | magnuse: that's not how timezones work |
| 22:06 | magnuse | @worldtime Europe/Oslo |
| 22:06 | huginn | magnuse: Thursday 19 December 2013 23:06 |
| 22:06 | eythian | @worldtime America/Los_Angeles |
| 22:06 | huginn | eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 14:06 |
| 22:07 | eythian | look in /usr/share/zoneinfo for hints :) |
| 22:07 | magnuse | @worldtime America/Los Angeles |
| 22:07 | huginn | magnuse: Error: I don't know about America/Los |
| 22:07 | magnuse | gotcha |
| 22:08 | eythian | @worldtime America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires |
| 22:08 | huginn | eythian: Thursday 19 December 2013 19:08 |
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| 22:11 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 22:21 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1562: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1562/ |
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| 23:45 | * mtompset | whispers, "disturb now" multiple times. ;) |
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