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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:12 | dcook | Downside of touchscreens... |
| 00:13 | Trying to input passwords that you only remember through muscle memory is a real pain... | |
| 00:18 | wizzyrea | oy. |
| 00:19 | the NSA isn't on furlough. | |
| 00:19 | NSA is still operational. | |
| 00:19 | They are considered "essential" | |
| 00:19 | dcook | The military is also still being paid |
| 00:36 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:07 | banana joined #koha | |
| 01:08 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:13 | banana | Aaron O. - online? |
| 01:13 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:37 | drnoe_away left #koha | |
| 01:46 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 02:05 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 02:05 | dcook | ... |
| 02:05 | * dcook | pokes Xchat |
| 02:05 | dcook | Be good. |
| 02:08 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 02:17 | banana left #koha | |
| 02:26 | * eythian | now wonders who Aaron O. is. |
| 02:27 | rangi | hmm? |
| 02:28 | eythian | <banana> Aaron O. - online? |
| 02:28 | rangi | ahh :) |
| 02:28 | * wizzyrea | wonders who banana is |
| 02:29 | jcamins | rambutan |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | ah |
| 02:32 | rangi | hmm tweetbot is broken again |
| 02:33 | eythian | nah, it's a glitch in the matrix |
| 02:41 | tcohen | how can I administer some eye drops to my cat Florencio? |
| 02:42 | jcamins | tcohen: sedative? |
| 02:42 | Chain mail? | |
| 02:42 | dcook | Two person team? |
| 02:42 | One person wrap him in a towel and hold him close to their body | |
| 02:42 | Person two hold eye dropper and eyelids | |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | put the cat in a pillowcase |
| 02:43 | head out | |
| 02:43 | or | |
| 02:43 | use the binder clip trick | |
| 02:43 | dcook | Binder clip trick? That sounds horrible |
| 02:43 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, the binder clip trick is a good one. |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t1XPYVbsSo |
| 02:45 | tcohen | i guess the two person team should work |
| 02:45 | dcook | That is horrifying...yet intriguing... |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 02:46 | tcohen | florencio doesn't surrender to the clip trick |
| 02:46 | (not always) | |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | mom cats carry their babies like that, kitties know to go limp when pinched in that way |
| 02:46 | florencio is a good name for a cat | |
| 02:47 | dcook | Admittedly, I haven't had to use eye droppers, but we usually wrap Starbuck in a towel to incapacitate his limbs, then that person holding the towel holds him close and the other person gives him meds |
| 02:47 | wizzyrea | I think, if it worked well on your cat, the amount of time that the clip is on probably is less irritating for the cat than the procedure being administered. |
| 02:47 | dcook | Hmm, good point, wizzyrea |
| 02:47 | Starbuck is a little stress ball... | |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | I had a cat with poor rear end hygiene, to wash her rear we had to put the front end in a pillowcase |
| 02:48 | so she couldn't see the water. | |
| 02:48 | and that seemed to go fine. | |
| 02:48 | since you need front end access though, that wouldn't work for you | |
| 02:49 | tcohen | i've just read that some people suggest to do it from behind, gently moving his head up |
| 02:51 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:51 | We used something similar when giving pills | |
| 02:52 | Plus the towel for good measure :p | |
| 02:52 | Did the vet give you any tips? | |
| 02:53 | tcohen | they told us to use a towel |
| 02:53 | rangi | someone tweet something else |
| 02:53 | im bored of that highlighting all the time | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 03:02 | there you go. | |
| 03:02 | dcook | ! |
| 03:02 | That's awesome! | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 03:02 | * dcook | would be keen to hear more about that |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | bug 10944 >.> needs signoff even! |
| 03:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10944 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Mixed content warnings in opac results and detail with Amazon images on https |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | and that doesn't fix it in the user pages, I'm getting ready to do that work now |
| 03:04 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 03:05 | How long ago did we start using "using_https"? | |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | i think it is not in 3.8 |
| 03:05 | 3.10 probably | |
| 03:05 | dcook | Tabarnac.. |
| 03:06 | I imagine that one might be sandboxable though.. | |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | if the sandboxen use https |
| 03:06 | dcook | Right, that would make a difference |
| 03:06 | Durr | |
| 03:07 | Ah, but you give good instructions | |
| 03:09 | On that note, I should grab lunch | |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea | ping mtj |
| 03:37 | question for anyone really | |
| 03:38 | is there a preference on ssl images, that we use using_https or simply replace standard content with https content where we can | |
| 03:38 | afaik there is no harm in calling an https image in a page that isn't secured | |
| 03:38 | and you'll avoid the mixed content warnings (and get the lock) if you *are* using ssl... | |
| 03:39 | the fixes are easier if we don't have to check for using_https - I don't mind either way | |
| 03:49 | dcook | That's probably an eythian question |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | well I asked him :) |
| 03:49 | I wanted to know if there were generally opinions about this | |
| 03:50 | dcook | As far as I know, there's no reason not to use the images via SSL |
| 03:50 | I think the speed might be diminished a little bit but probably not by much | |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | speed is the only thing I could think of |
| 03:52 | ff23 greatly increases the amount of checking firefox does on such things | |
| 03:52 | re: http images/things in https pages. | |
| 03:52 | (of course people who are up to date are running 24 now) | |
| 03:53 | i am honestly surprised that we don't see more complaints | |
| 03:53 | eythian | I'm not sure how many people routinely deploy https |
| 03:54 | wizzyrea | maybe a lot of people just set the exceptions and/or live with a broken web |
| 03:54 | IE trains people to do that. | |
| 03:55 | dcook | Or don't use https |
| 03:55 | IE...*shudders* | |
| 03:55 | Hmm, gnome3 doesn't look right on the laptop... | |
| 03:58 | Nowhere near as fancy as my desktop at home.. | |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | video drivers? |
| 03:59 | * dcook | thinks so |
| 03:59 | dcook | It says it's the "fallback" experience |
| 03:59 | Which is probably why it looks more like gnome2 | |
| 04:00 | I had the same thing happen on the VM I have on this desktop at work | |
| 04:04 | Oh well. Maybe I'll play around when I'm bored at the airport. | |
| 04:04 | Hmm the Google snippet for git.koha-community.org says git.koha.org | |
| 04:05 | As the title | |
| 04:10 | eythian | how odd |
| 04:11 | rangi | mtj: your bot is broked |
| 04:12 | dcook | Only 24 minutes to fly from Vancouver to Victoria... |
| 04:12 | * dcook | goes and actually has lunch this time |
| 04:12 | jcamins | Didn't dcook say he was going to have lunch several hours ago, back when it was still a reasonable hour for me to go to bed? |
| 04:13 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:27 | @later tell mtj your twitterbot is bust | |
| 04:27 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:34 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:34 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:54 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 04:59 | * dcook | hopes that jcamins is sleeping by now |
| 05:00 | dcook | tweetbot_, I think you're a bit of a broken record, eh? |
| 05:14 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:16 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:12 | * dcook | wonders if someone should just kick that bot... |
| 06:15 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:16 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 06:16 | * dcook | didn't realize it was already that time of day ;) |
| 06:17 | dcook | I ended up downloading Virtualbox and installing Wheezy on the laptop |
| 06:17 | Just need to download git bz, gitify, install Koha, and I'll be all ready :D | |
| 06:22 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:22 | hehe | |
| 06:23 | dcook | I love that moment when you want to follow someone on Twitter and then you realize that you've actually been following them for ages :p |
| 06:24 | magnuse | hehe, sounds familiar |
| 06:27 | * magnuse | needs a new main pc |
| 06:28 | dcook | Needs or wants? :p |
| 06:29 | magnuse | needs! definitely |
| 06:29 | * dcook | wants a fancy new monitor for his home pc...although he rarely uses it... |
| 06:29 | dcook | Maybe another laptop to increase the number of computers in the house |
| 06:29 | magnuse | i'm wasting too much time waiting for this one to figure things out |
| 06:30 | dcook | Time for a new computer! :D |
| 06:30 | On a related note, are you going to Kohacon, magnuse? | |
| 06:30 | I noticed you're a sponsor but I couldn't remember if you were coming | |
| 06:30 | magnuse | no, i get to stay at home |
| 06:30 | but i have sposnsored a little, yes | |
| 06:31 | so y'all gotta have fun on my behalf :-) | |
| 06:31 | * dcook | thinks Norway should host Kohacon15 *nod* *nod* |
| 06:31 | dcook | I'll...do something on your behalf |
| 06:31 | I was going to say have a beer, but you don't like beer, right? | |
| 06:32 | magnuse | ooh, you know me well :-) |
| 06:32 | maybe not 15, but 18 perhaps? | |
| 06:32 | dcook | I might have papers scattered on my desk but my brain is a fortress! |
| 06:33 | * dcook | wonders what version of Koha will exist in 2018 |
| 06:33 | dcook | 5 years...it might have wings by then |
| 06:33 | * dcook | wishes someone would've recorded people's predictions for the year 2000 |
| 06:33 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:35 | it's weird how i'm always thinking "how could people ever use koha without this new feature?" | |
| 06:36 | wow http://www.mymodernmet.com/pro[…]rees-slope-point/ | |
| 06:36 | nz++ | |
| 06:36 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:36 | Yeah, sometimes I wish that all of our libraries were up on 3.12 | |
| 06:39 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | dcook | salut reiveune |
| 06:45 | magnuse: That's wild! | |
| 06:46 | reiveune | salut dcook kathryn magnuse :) |
| 06:47 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:47 | rangi | https://www.blippex.org/ |
| 06:47 | interesting | |
| 06:47 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 06:47 | magnuse | hm, for some reason my fingers expect xchat to do tab-complete on the word bonjour... |
| 06:47 | dcook | rangi: Is that the search engine that is getting a lot of press? |
| 06:48 | * dcook | seems to remember reading something this morning.. |
| 06:49 | magnuse | um interesting results for "koha" |
| 06:50 | rangi | dcook: http://catalyst.net.nz/node/23581 |
| 06:51 | magnuse: it learns from what people with the plugin visits | |
| 06:51 | dcook | I was wondering how it was going to track dwell time |
| 06:51 | rangi: What am I looking for on this page? | |
| 06:53 | rangi | if you did the postgres course |
| 06:53 | you could follow it with | |
| 06:53 | https://kiwicon.org/ | |
| 06:55 | dcook | Sounds cool, but I'll still be in Vancouver |
| 06:55 | Thanks for the links and the thought though :) | |
| 06:56 | 11 Nov will be flight hangover rather than Kiwicon hangover ;) | |
| 06:56 | rangi | no worries, ill send you the link when we do the january/feb ones |
| 06:56 | dcook | Awesome. That would be great :) |
| 06:57 | The wife and I have been talking about taking a trip over to Wellington | |
| 06:57 | Well, maybe NZ in general, but I have a special interest in Wellington, of course | |
| 06:58 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 06:59 | * magnuse | recommends nz of all his heart |
| 07:01 | dcook | It's so close! |
| 07:01 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 07:01 | magnuse | not for me, sadly |
| 07:01 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:01 | magnuse | hiya gaetan_B |
| 07:02 | dcook | bonjour alex_a et gaetan_B |
| 07:02 | You're much closer to Europe though, magnuse :p | |
| 07:03 | magnuse | yeah, that is true. marseille, for example ;-) |
| 07:04 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:04 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:04 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:04 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 18.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:05 | dcook | hehe, yep |
| 07:05 | @wunder syd | |
| 07:05 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 25.7°C (5:05 PM EST on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:05 | lds joined #koha | |
| 07:05 | dcook | When does it usually snow in Bodo? |
| 07:06 | samueld joined #koha | |
| 07:07 | magnuse | it can be quite unpredictable |
| 07:07 | last winter the snow came kind of early, maybe in november? | |
| 07:07 | but the last winters before that there was almost no snow before xmas | |
| 07:08 | so january, february, march are the most snowy months, i guess | |
| 07:09 | dcook | Really? |
| 07:09 | wahanui | Really is off now |
| 07:09 | dcook | Intriguing... |
| 07:09 | That doesn't sound too bad at all | |
| 07:09 | * dcook | thinks it's snowy in Canada 13 months of the year |
| 07:10 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:10 | dcook | @wunder reno, nevada |
| 07:10 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 12.4°C (12:00 AM PDT on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:10 | magnuse | we can have 6 months of snow, though |
| 07:10 | dcook | Mmm, maybe it is more similar than I think |
| 07:11 | magnuse | since we are on the coast, it's normal for the temperature to vary wildly from -10C to +10C through the winter |
| 07:14 | everythin you ever wanted to know about the weather statistics for Bodø, but was afraid to ask: http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/[…]8/statistics.html | |
| 07:16 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:19 | * dcook | wishes that Canadians understood metric better |
| 07:19 | dcook | All I know is that those temperatures look pretty nice |
| 07:19 | magnuse | yeah, not too bad |
| 07:19 | thanks to the gulf stream | |
| 07:23 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:28 | magnuse | hiya samueld |
| 07:35 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:37 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:49 | magnuse | kia ora kf |
| 07:54 | tweetbot_ was kicked by rangi: come back when you are fixed | |
| 07:54 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 08:01 | dcook | Yay rangi! |
| 08:06 | kf | hi dcook |
| 08:09 | dcook | hey kf :) |
| 08:09 | Hmm, apparently I have 84 people from grad school on my FB... | |
| 08:10 | * dcook | swears he didn't talk to that many different people during that time |
| 08:10 | kf | so why did you befriend them? |
| 08:12 | magnuse | it's fun? |
| 08:13 | dcook | Seemed like the thing to do at the time? |
| 08:13 | Everyone else was doing it? :p | |
| 08:13 | kf | aha |
| 08:13 | I think I don't have to say more ;) | |
| 08:21 | rangi | hmm i cant think of anything worse |
| 08:21 | how about instead of becoming the marc experts, we use the fact LOC is down, to move on | |
| 08:22 | (re list email) | |
| 08:23 | kf | hmwhich one? |
| 08:24 | rangi | the main list |
| 08:24 | wahanui | i heard the main list was at http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha |
| 08:25 | kf | aah |
| 08:25 | well first you pretend to be the experts an dmean well, and then you kill it | |
| 08:25 | rangi | heh |
| 08:25 | kf | i thought it worked like that? |
| 08:27 | dcook | Yeah, there really isn't much to be gained by becoming marc experts |
| 08:27 | Or rather... | |
| 08:27 | Nothing to be gained by becoming a marc authority | |
| 08:28 | Same thing, different silo | |
| 08:28 | As an aside, "promise them beer, and they will come". | |
| 08:29 | rangi | heh |
| 08:29 | * dcook | tries to imagine a metadata schema that uses beer as an acronym |
| 08:49 | magnuse | anyone attending the hackfest will be able to hear a bit about how to leave marc behind and emrace current technology |
| 08:52 | Bibliographic Encoding and Encryption for Re-use | |
| 08:55 | dcook | Nice, magnuse! |
| 08:55 | I like it ;) | |
| 08:55 | kf | :) |
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| 09:24 | rangi | magnuse: so we gpg encrypt each record ? :) |
| 09:24 | mtj | oops, sorry about the tweetbot going crazy before everyone |
| 09:25 | rangi | magnuse: actually if we could come up with another e ... gpg signing would be pretty sweet |
| 09:25 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:26 | Exchange? | |
| 09:27 | rangi | hmm |
| 09:28 | how about | |
| 09:29 | Borrowers Encoded and Encrypt Records | |
| 09:29 | Encrypted even | |
| 09:29 | magnuse | ooh, now we're talking |
| 09:29 | kf | i'd like that |
| 09:29 | rangi | where we store borrowers data encrypted with their gpg key so only they can see it |
| 09:29 | kf | guess our data privacy person woudl too |
| 09:29 | hm ah right | |
| 09:30 | not sure how that would work :) | |
| 09:33 | rangi | well it could just be as simple as we never send it to them without encrypting it first |
| 09:33 | since drojf has already done that | |
| 09:33 | :) | |
| 09:34 | kf | right, sounds good... but ithink it still needs a sign off |
| 09:34 | rangi | yep |
| 09:35 | i was plannign to qa it, so would like someone else to sign off | |
| 09:35 | ive signed off too many that i now cant qa | |
| 09:35 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 09:36 | kf | rangi: makes sense, i know the problem |
| 09:36 | i think i woud like to discuss an idea for module maintainers again | |
| 09:36 | thinking about sip and ldap especially | |
| 09:37 | but for 3.16 | |
| 09:37 | or 4 | |
| 09:38 | hm maybe unimarc | |
| 09:39 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:40 | right sleep time | |
| 09:40 | kf | night rangi |
| 09:40 | liw | sleep well, rangi |
| 09:43 | dcook | night rangi |
| 09:43 | * dcook | should head off as well.. |
| 09:44 | magnuse | maybe normarc? |
| 09:48 | Oak | @later tell Brooke https://soundcloud.com/cityand[…]our-the-hurry-and |
| 09:48 | huginn | Oak: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:48 | Oak | @later tell cait https://soundcloud.com/cityand[…]our-the-hurry-and |
| 09:49 | huginn | Oak: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:49 | Oak | rangi++ |
| 09:49 | dcook | City and Colour \o/ |
| 09:49 | Dallas Green has the voice of an angel... | |
| 09:49 | hehe | |
| 09:49 | Ok, I should go too | |
| 09:49 | Night all | |
| 09:49 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 09:56 | paxed | Arggh. |
| 09:56 | looks like accidentally uploaded the fr-FR translation file to pootle instead of fi-FI ... | |
| 10:00 | now how do i cancel all those suggested translations? i dodn't see any way other than manually going through all of them. which is just impossible. | |
| 10:03 | kf | let me take a look |
| 10:04 | hm | |
| 10:04 | it looks like there are only 29 suggestions for 3.12? | |
| 10:05 | paxed: not sure i see the problem, maybe write an email to the koha-translate mailing list | |
| 10:07 | paxed | i guess there wasn't more than that then, and i went through those and removed the french ones. |
| 10:08 | also: this is my first time actually using pootle. and i'm not liking it... but at least it's better than the launchpad translation system. | |
| 10:09 | kf | i guess it's a question of available options |
| 10:09 | web based translation systems are not a huge market | |
| 10:10 | and Pootle is still being developed and quite ok | |
| 10:17 | paxed | i'm a commandline guy. i hate most of web 2.0 stuff |
| 10:33 | kivilahtio__ | I agree with paxed regarding the translation tools. Pootle is for non-technical people, but the way Koha deals with some translation strings is just beyond non-technical capabilities. Or can a non-technical translator really translate Koha without looking into code? |
| 10:37 | kf | I think so |
| 10:38 | kivilahtio__ | bug 7376 |
| 10:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7376 critical, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Failed QA , Transfer limits should be checked at check-in |
| 10:38 | kf | lots of the translators are not programmers |
| 10:38 | kivilahtio__ | is paul_p working in this? |
| 10:38 | knock knock paul_p | |
| 10:38 | kf | maybe tr ysending an email if you get no reaction here - not sure how much he is around right now |
| 10:38 | * paul_p | awakes :D |
| 10:38 | kivilahtio__ | paul_p: wow I thought you are travelling the world! |
| 10:39 | paul_p: commented that bug, I would like to extend the bug | |
| 10:39 | paul_p | kivilahtio__ nope, I was in Rome yesterday & monday, but now I'm back. |
| 10:39 | kivilahtio__ | paul_p: just asking so I am not stepping your toes |
| 10:39 | paul_p | yikes, this bug fall in a pit... |
| 10:39 | I'll assign it to joubu now | |
| 10:40 | kivilahtio__ | actually I have some urgent stuff with data migration as well, but just curious if this is moving forward? |
| 10:41 | paul_p: this bug is a tricky one for sure :) | |
| 10:42 | paul_p | kivilahtio__ nope, because I "lost" this bug (and don't have a minute to dedicate to it). So I assign it to jonathan, he'll have a look |
| 10:42 | kivilahtio__ yes, it's a tricky one. | |
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| 10:58 | * kf | waves to JDatTeTakere |
| 11:17 | paxed | kf: unlikely. for example, non-coders have no idea what "%%" in the translation string means. (or at least i saw a comment in the finnish translation about "missing two s from %%" ...) |
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| 11:35 | * magnuse | has never had to look at code to do translations |
| 11:35 | magnuse | weird characters like %? just copy them over |
| 11:39 | paxed | well, norwegian is a germanic language, ... |
| 11:40 | need to change the word order in the sentence? don't see how a non-coder can do that without trial and error. | |
| 11:41 | magnuse | ah yes, that might be a headache |
| 11:41 | paxed | also, agglutination. |
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| 11:44 | kivilahtio__ | I wonder how they did it Arabics? |
| 11:44 | ...with Arabics | |
| 11:46 | JDatTeTakere | Sorry kf...so busy working on my KohaCon13 paper that I didn't notice your wave. |
| 11:46 | jcamins | I'm sure there are some strings that didn't translate well, but for well-chosen strings, you just have to translate "around" the %s. |
| 11:50 | kf | JDatTeTakere: shouldn't you be sleeping? :) |
| 11:51 | JDatTeTakere: looking forward to meet you soon - we arrive on the same day . well almost, i will be there quite late | |
| 11:51 | meliss joined #koha | |
| 11:52 | magnuse | hey, i want to meet JDatTeTakere too! ;-) |
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| 11:53 | Betimi | Can I ask a question ? |
| 11:54 | paxed | jcamins: if only it was translating "around" the %s - but i'm irritated how actual TT code gets inserted as %s, or even worse, as actual translatable text... |
| 11:54 | jcamins | paxed: yeah, that's annoying, but I think not nearly as common as the %s's. |
| 11:56 | kf | sometimes something slips |
| 11:56 | most likely bad constructs int he templates | |
| 11:56 | feel free to send patches | |
| 11:56 | I like the %s - they allow me to change the word order/grammar | |
| 11:56 | Betimi | Why I can't delete 2 records from catalog |
| 11:56 | even when I click them it doesnt open | |
| 11:56 | it shows an error | |
| 11:56 | kf | your indexes are probably out of date |
| 11:57 | Betimi | runtime error: file /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slimUtils.xsl line 76 element param xsltApplyXSLTTemplate: A potential infinite template recursion was detected. You can adjust xsltMaxDepth (--maxdepth) in order to raise the maximum number of nested template calls and variables/params (currently set to 250). |
| 11:57 | kf | check if your rebuild_zebra is running regularly or try to reindex |
| 11:57 | oh | |
| 11:57 | not sure about this error | |
| 11:57 | you can try turning off the xslt view to get a look at those records | |
| 11:57 | Betimi | index is working because when I deleted other things from catalog they dont show more in search |
| 11:57 | kf | which version are you using? |
| 11:58 | Betimi | 3.12 |
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| 11:59 | paxed | kf: again, you'd have to be a coder to know how the TT code works. |
| 12:00 | (and having the placeholder comment as "%1$s: END" doesn't help at all, when the IF/whatever isn't included...) | |
| 12:00 | Betimi | kf: Can I remove them if I disable xslt |
| 12:01 | kf | i think so, the display should work then |
| 12:03 | Betimi | how I disable it ? |
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| 12:08 | magnuse | Betimi: search for "xslt" in the systempreferences |
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| 12:18 | JDatTeTakere | Sleeping? It's only 1.18am :-) |
| 12:19 | I'm looking forward to meeting KF and magnuse in equal amounts. No fighting over the newbie. | |
| 12:19 | magnuse | but i'm not going to reno... |
| 12:19 | jcamins | magnuse: you're going to KohaCon?!? |
| 12:19 | Aww. | |
| 12:19 | That's what I thought. | |
| 12:20 | magnuse | ok, i'll stop whining about it now |
| 12:20 | JDatTeTakere | Oh...you'll have to come to NZ then magnuse |
| 12:20 | * jcamins | is disappointed. |
| 12:20 | kf | magnuse was in nz :) |
| 12:21 | JDatTeTakere | When - for the KohaCon in Wellington? |
| 12:21 | magnuse | yup |
| 12:21 | * kf | met magnuse there for the first time :) |
| 12:21 | magnuse | and i'd be very happy to go there again! |
| 12:21 | * kf | too |
| 12:21 | magnuse | that is true |
| 12:21 | almost 3 years ago now | |
| 12:21 | wow | |
| 12:21 | JDatTeTakere | Come and visit Te Takere...we just had our vist birthday. |
| 12:21 | magnuse | more or less on the day 3.2 was unleashed |
| 12:22 | JDatTeTakere | First! Must need to be asleep. |
| 12:22 | * magnuse | would love to see te takere |
| 12:22 | kf | yeah, another kohacon in nz? :) |
| 12:22 | * magnuse | even helped pay for it, a little bit ;-) |
| 12:22 | JDatTeTakere | I'll bring photos might be able to do a show and tell for those who are interested. |
| 12:22 | magnuse | kohacon_in_nz++ |
| 12:22 | JDatTeTakere | Which bit did you help pay for Magnuse? ;-) |
| 12:22 | kf | JDatTeTakere: that woudl be quite nice - we saw the library in levin and stand in front of one of the branches I think |
| 12:24 | JDatTeTakere | What was the ground floor of the old Levin Library is now the Youth Space. Through a bright yellow door is the rest of Te Takere. It's massive and very, very beautiful. |
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| 12:24 | JDatTeTakere | Of course, I'm a little biased. |
| 12:24 | magnuse | JDatTeTakere: probably about 1 litre of concrete somewhere :-) |
| 12:25 | JDatTeTakere | That must make you almost a NZ landowner magnuse |
| 12:26 | magnuse | hehe |
| 12:26 | JDatTeTakere | My cats are misbehaving - I think they want me to go to bed. Fun talking to you guys. KF we should have breakfast on the 14th...or maybe lunch, depending on jetlag. |
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| 12:36 | kf | :) |
| 12:39 | blou | C4 ? |
| 12:39 | wahanui | C4 is a high explosive :-) or "Cheap & Cheerful Copy of (the ILS program HLT used to use)" |
| 12:40 | blou | Koha ? |
| 12:40 | wahanui | i heard Koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 12:40 | blou | :) |
| 12:40 | kf | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 12:40 | wahanui | :) |
| 12:40 | blou | well, that helged |
| 12:40 | helped | |
| 12:40 | * kf | tries wishing very hard for oleonard |
| 12:41 | blou | Holà #koha |
| 12:41 | kf | oleonard? |
| 12:41 | wahanui | it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 12:41 | kf | oleonard? |
| 12:41 | wahanui | oleonard is probably not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 12:41 | kf | oleonard? |
| 12:41 | wahanui | oleonard is, like, still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 12:41 | magnuse | let's all wish really hard! |
| 12:45 | blou | Anyone (beside wahanui) that could point me to some philosophical discussion/document regarding the difference between C4:: and Koha:: |
| 12:45 | jcamins | koha namespace? |
| 12:45 | blou | Might be a bit early for N-A koha# to discuss philosophy before coffee |
| 12:45 | jcamins | blou: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]oha_Namespace_RFC and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]amespace_QA_Rules |
| 12:45 | blou | thank you! |
| 12:45 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 12:46 | That first one has almost no basis in reality. | |
| 12:46 | coding guidelines? | |
| 12:46 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 12:49 | blou | Lot of direction toward Koha:: and the way to modify it, but no explanation on C4. I know it's the "original", but do we |
| 12:49 | 1) try to make it disappear | |
| 12:49 | 2) leave it at peace | |
| 12:50 | 3) it's ok to add stuff in it. | |
| 12:50 | The Calendar "class" really started the confusion... :) | |
| 12:51 | ... the questionning. | |
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| 12:58 | kf | blou: where there is already a module, like Koha::Dates use that I woudl say |
| 12:58 | if you add a new module, do it in Koha | |
| 12:58 | ideally | |
| 12:58 | and else you can still add to C4 - what do you want to do? | |
| 12:58 | (and that's how i understand it, but jared might disagree :) ) | |
| 13:01 | jcamins | Koha:: should be used whenever possible, but code going into Koha:: should not have any dependencies on code in C4:: (other than C4::Context, C4::Boolean, and C4::Debug). |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:08 | banana | morning tcohen |
| 13:08 | tcohen | banana? |
| 13:08 | rambuten | banana is my fallback nick at home |
| 13:09 | I'm logged on as rambutan at work, so I can't get that nick (I'm still at home eating cereal) | |
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| 13:10 | blou | kf, jcamins: thanks! Exactly the info/direction I was looking for. |
| 13:11 | tcohen | =D |
| 13:23 | blou | Newbie, naive and uninformed question: No commit to the master in past 5 days. Any bug on my git, or some Dev freeze? |
| 13:24 | I _always_ suspect my environment, but this time I haven't touched anything, I'm sure of it! :) | |
| 13:25 | jcamins | The RM has been busy with other things. |
| 13:25 | blou | ha! thanks jcamins! So that goes in the Newbie and uninformed categories then... :) |
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| 13:51 | kivilahtio__ | blou: Good thing you asked that question. It was verry helpful for me as well. |
| 13:59 | tcohen | do we use variables within templates? |
| 14:01 | jcamins | Sometimes. |
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| 14:10 | tcohen | jcamins: "used for/see from" entries shouldn't point to a search, right? |
| 14:10 | (plain text only) | |
| 14:13 | jcamins | That's correct. |
| 14:16 | tcohen | when's this supposed to be used?: (Earlier heading) |
| 14:22 | jcamins | I can never remember, but dbs has a mirror of the MARC format documentation. |
| 14:23 | http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/marc/ | |
| 14:23 | tcohen | the template functions that show auth search results have a |
| 14:23 | UNLESS ( type=='seefrom' || type=='seealso' ) ... | |
| 14:24 | add a span | |
| 14:24 | with that sort of stuff | |
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| 14:29 | tcohen | jcamins: i don't know what to search for in that site, i'm not used to authorities |
| 14:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #125 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:30 | jcamins | tcohen: look at the documentation for $w on the 5xx fields. |
| 14:31 | tcohen | jcamins++ # for teaching tcohen |
| 14:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10965: fix breakage when loading sample itemtypes during install <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]507a2672b0987d795> / Bug 10925: fix LDAP auth failing if DEBUG is enabled <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]470f39ff9cf080d22> |
| 14:48 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10949: restore ability to successfully print hold slips <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]52db083e90ccc6ffe> | |
| 14:48 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:48 | * jcamins | considers responding to the e-mail from Tom Hanstra and decides to let someone else. |
| 14:52 | * kf | encourages jcamins to do it |
| 14:52 | * gmcharlt | has saved jcamins from it |
| 14:53 | jcamins | kf: it was never going to happen. |
| 14:53 | Because the enthusiasm I could muster was limited to "I use packages, and you should too." | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | yay, didn't know i could rearrange patch order during rebase / squash |
| 14:55 | rebase++ | |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | http://tomayko.com/writings/the-thing-about-git (and grep for the comment about git rebase --interactive) |
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| 14:56 | tcohen | thanks gmcharlt for the pointer :-D |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 14:57 | tcohen | kf |
| 14:58 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10967: fix minor POD error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a44789c7cadd0445e> |
| 15:05 | kf | Joubu++ |
| 15:05 | # qaing offline circ | |
| 15:06 | oleonard | qa++ |
| 15:07 | kf | :) |
| 15:08 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5645: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]055707b15b461d24b> |
| 15:22 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #125: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/125/ |
| 15:22 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 10925: fix LDAP auth failing if DEBUG is enabled | |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10925 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , LDAP Auth fails if DEBUG is enable |
| 15:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #126 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:28 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10948: make reference labels translatable in OPAC auth results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b3a421f7ce08224f1> |
| 15:33 | tcohen | hmm, gonna need to rebase 10691 because of that one jcamins :-/ |
| 15:33 | jcamins | bug 10691 |
| 15:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Heh. Sorry. |
| 15:34 | kf | jcamins: i know how you can make tcohen feel better about it - sign off! :) |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:34 | Not now- I need to leave in a few minutes. | |
| 15:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10806: make the staff benchmark script check authentication failure. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]533fa7b6b0f17e40b> |
| 15:40 | rambutan | Tom Clancy died? |
| 15:52 | oleonard | If you believe the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10[…]s-dies-at-66.html |
| 15:55 | rambutan | http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/us/tom-clancy-obit/ |
| 16:08 | kivilahtio__ | wow, you have gone in great depths just to prevent migrating the primary keys! |
| 16:08 | ....gone to great depths.... | |
| 16:09 | kf | I don't think that's koha specific... |
| 16:10 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #126: SUCCESS in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/126/ |
| 16:10 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10965: fix breakage when loading sample itemtypes during install | |
| 16:10 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10949: restore ability to successfully print hold slips | |
| 16:10 | * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10967: fix minor POD error | |
| 16:10 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 5645: improve converting simple search to Z39.50 search | |
| 16:10 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10948: make reference labels translatable in OPAC auth results | |
| 16:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10965 major, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Sample itemtypes can't load on new install |
| 16:10 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip | |
| 16:10 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10967 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , POD ERROR in acqui/booksellers.pl | |
| 16:10 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 search from search results not parsing query correctly | |
| 16:10 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10948 normal, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , Some strings in the authority result list turned out untranslatable | |
| 16:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #127 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:11 | kivilahtio__ | kf: Even when migrating patrons, my defined borrowernumber is ignored in C4::Members::AddMember and C4::SQLHelper::InsertInTable. I think it is deliberately left out, as there is code which deliberately removes it :) |
| 16:11 | kf: But I got it fixed no less. It is an interesting journey inside the legacy C4 modules | |
| 16:12 | kf: But I just don't understand why primary keys shouldn't be migrated? | |
| 16:12 | kf: nevermind that. It hopefully wont be an issue in the future | |
| 16:12 | kf | hm there are a lot of good presentations on migrating koha I think |
| 16:12 | oleonard | kivilahtio__: Probably because one should let the database handle its own primary keys, since they are meant to be for "internal" use |
| 16:13 | kivilahtio__ | kf: Migrating patrons and thei outstanding fines, circulations and reservations as well? |
| 16:13 | kf | http://de.slideshare.net/druth[…]tionkudoscon-2011 |
| 16:13 | this is one of them | |
| 16:13 | well more abut the basics | |
| 16:13 | but we have migrated all thos ewithout any primary keys :) | |
| 16:13 | kivilahtio__ | I understand if you only migrate biblios and items inside the biblio record |
| 16:13 | kf: then maybe I am doing something horribly wrong | |
| 16:14 | kf | not sure if it's wrong, we are of different opinion there |
| 16:14 | we let koha handle it's own numbers, and prepare the data in a way that we can load it - it's a different approach | |
| 16:15 | kivilahtio__ | kf: ah using barcodes |
| 16:15 | kf: that is a pretty good idea. | |
| 16:16 | kf: I'll try doing that in my next phase. We had huge issues in calculating our barcodes from our legacy system, so maybe thats why I havent thought about that at all | |
| 16:16 | but that was one great diashow | |
| 16:17 | kf | thre are more, pretty much evey kohavon the last 3 years i think |
| 16:18 | kivilahtio__ | how about field 001 duplication? if our legacy system has analytic records linked in field 001 -> 773w, then field 001 has value of 4054. At some point new biblios try to share the old 001? |
| 16:19 | kf: so say we migrate 4050 biblios, when our librarian adds the 4054th biblio to the catalog, where does the field 001-number come from? | |
| 16:21 | kf | you could set it to the biblionumber, there is a patch for doing that |
| 16:21 | currently koha doesn't generate one | |
| 16:21 | have to run! :) | |
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| 16:39 | drojf | good evening #koha |
| 16:50 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:52 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #127: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/127/ |
| 16:52 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 10806: make the staff benchmark script check authentication failure. | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure |
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| 17:17 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 17:33 | tcohen | does this look better than default? http://snag.gy/FNBq5.jpg |
| 17:33 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 17:33 | how is the before? | |
| 17:34 | tcohen | "see also:" and "see from:" labels on each occurence |
| 17:34 | cait | yes, this looks better :) |
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| 18:00 | tcohen | how about this one cait1? http://snag.gy/kQkYC.jpg |
| 18:00 | cait1 | italic? nice :) |
| 18:03 | tcohen | should it be capitalized? |
| 18:09 | cait1 | not sure |
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| 18:39 | tcohen | bgkriegel, cait1: http://snag.gy/MhwLZ.jpg |
| 18:40 | cait1 | looks nice to me:) |
| 18:40 | bgkriegel | super cool! |
| 18:51 | cait1 | :) |
| 18:54 | tcohen | i'm definitely not good at describing library stuff in english (neither in spanish of course) |
| 18:55 | but i filled it at bug 10987 | |
| 18:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Too many 'see also' and 'usedfor/see from' labels occurences |
| 18:59 | oleonard | Re: Bug 10986, I wonder if one could periodically extract language information from all existing biblio records and build the limiters that way |
| 18:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Limit the list of languages in advanced search through system preferences |
| 19:03 | tcohen | bye #koha |
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| 19:27 | * oleonard | glares at rambutan |
| 19:28 | cait1 | what did he do? |
| 19:29 | oleonard | Cheering for RDA on the mailing list is a punishable offense! |
| 19:30 | * cait1 | goes to look and agrees |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | erm |
| 19:31 | * cait1 | wonders if rda toolkits are down too |
| 19:34 | rambutan | ME? |
| 19:34 | wahanui | i heard rambutan was not from NZ |
| 19:34 | oleonard | Aren't they run by ALA? They're not the government, they're just a helpful group who charges libraries to read a specification that librarians didn't write and which librarians don't want. |
| 19:34 | rambutan | magnuse suggested it (didn't he?) |
| 19:34 | cait1 | rambutan: nope |
| 19:35 | Topic for #koha is now Pizza thurs today! | |
| 19:35 | cait1 | oleonard: i don't care so much for the rules... but I strongly dislike it's not an open standard |
| 19:35 | rambutan | Quote: "and embrace current technologies" |
| 19:35 | kathryn | oopsoops! |
| 19:35 | ww topic change! | |
| 19:35 | cait1 | lol |
| 19:35 | kathryn | morning everyone! |
| 19:35 | cait1 | hi kathryn :) |
| 19:35 | kathryn | :D |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | RDA isn't a technology, it's a cataloguing standard |
| 19:35 | kathryn | pizza for everybody! |
| 19:36 | cait1 | trying to save rambutaN? |
| 19:36 | mmh pizza | |
| 19:36 | Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run Forrest run! | http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software | |
| 19:36 | cait1 | thx wizzyrea |
| 19:36 | oleonard | kathryn can make promises, but getting pizza to me while it's still hot is a tall order |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | also, RDA isn't the technology (even if it were a technology) that magnuse was referring to |
| 19:37 | he's talking about the semantic web and linked data and a host of other things | |
| 19:37 | that are actually new technologies. | |
| 19:37 | newer* | |
| 19:37 | pizza | cold pizza is still good if it has lots of sauce |
| 19:37 | kathryn | yea, oleonard, well actually if I knew everyone's address and local suppliers...but that would be my day over! |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | and it's only just begun! |
| 19:38 | :) | |
| 19:49 | kathryn | :( |
| 19:50 | ah well rambutan, another day, there will be pizza | |
| 19:51 | rambutan | pizza and coffee |
| 19:51 | breakfast of champions | |
| 19:58 | cait1 | for me no coffee please, just the pizza |
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| 20:01 | tcohen | bgkriegel: http://www.sai.com.ar/bibliote[…]etin/O/bie103.htm |
| 20:02 | *hint: grep Koha | |
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| 20:04 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 20:05 | I have a question regarding plugin popup window behaviour. | |
| 20:06 | If I use firefox with javascript disabled, the clicking the plugin icon does not popup a window. | |
| 20:06 | tcohen | seems reasonable |
| 20:06 | mtompset | If I use IE with scripting disabled, the clicking the plugin icon DOES popup a window. |
| 20:07 | tcohen | i'm pleased to see the Dude in kohadevreactions |
| 20:07 | http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]rogue-and-creates | |
| 20:07 | mtompset | Is there some setting I am missing in IE? |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Well, at least the Unshelved people appreciate that their badges are absurd: http://www.unshelved.com/2013-10-2 |
| 20:08 | oleonard | IE doesn't respect your "scripting disabled" setting mtompset? |
| 20:08 | mtompset | Perhaps I should restart it then try... |
| 20:09 | oh right... the whole tabs thing doesn't work if I restart. | |
| 20:10 | magnuse | pizza? |
| 20:10 | wahanui | i guess pizza is in the oven. |
| 20:10 | magnuse | yay! |
| 20:10 | mtompset | Yep... stuck with the "Loading" message in IE, but firefox loads. |
| 20:11 | oleonard | What are you trying to do mtompset? |
| 20:11 | mtompset | Why are browser behaviours so vastly different?! |
| 20:11 | I'm trying to test bug 6874. | |
| 20:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 20:11 | mtompset | with and without javascript enabled. |
| 20:11 | I did trigger Julian's non-javascript code, but you have to turn it off in the middle of the process. | |
| 20:12 | Which seems kind of pointless. | |
| 20:12 | You are either going to have it on all the time, or off all the time. | |
| 20:12 | most people aren't crazy enough to turn it on and off randomly in the middle of processing something. | |
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| 20:13 | mtompset | I can't seem to get Julian's non-javascript code to trigger under firefox. |
| 20:15 | It is reasonable to assume that plugins require javascript on, right? | |
| 20:16 | oleonard | The whole staff client requires JS |
| 20:16 | bgkriegel | tocohen: good! |
| 20:17 | mtompset | oleonard: it does? Firefox with javascript disabled is functional for a lot of it. |
| 20:17 | oleonard | Good. But it is not guaranteed to work. |
| 20:17 | mtompset | Oops... |
| 20:17 | oleonard: and not look ugly. :) | |
| 20:18 | * pianohacker | ponders making the new editor functional without JS and giggles slightly unstably |
| 20:19 | cait1 | pianohacker: an accessible one would be reallynice |
| 20:19 | mtompset | pianohacker: Any sorts of tabbing requires javascript or lots of page duplication. :P |
| 20:20 | well, not duplication, but a page for each tab selected. | |
| 20:22 | pianohacker | 20 lines of perl, ~1000 lines of JS? ehhhh |
| 20:23 | no tabbing | |
| 20:23 | I will be _lynched_ if I add tabs to this | |
| 20:30 | tcohen | syntax highlighting pianohacker ? |
| 20:36 | pianohacker | tcohen: yeah, though most of the non-marc infrastructure is provided by the library I'm using |
| 20:36 | jcamins | pianohacker: non-marc sounds wonderful. |
| 20:37 | pianohacker | heh, not what I meant, but I wish :) |
| 20:37 | non-marc-specific would be more accurate | |
| 20:42 | cait1: you saw followup on bug 10486, right? | |
| 20:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 20:42 | cait1 | it is not signed off |
| 20:42 | i saw it... but we are running out of time | |
| 20:43 | hm i am probably not making much sense :) | |
| 20:44 | pianohacker | eh, bot liked it. Push that puppy! :) |
| 20:45 | rangi | hehe the bot only checks it applies cleanly |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | i really appreciate the work rangi's done on that bot |
| 20:47 | cait1 | yep it's a nice bot |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | so helpful to know if any given patch has actually recently applied |
| 20:47 | cait1 | we should name it |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | rangi++ |
| 20:48 | jcamins | cait1: "Dotty"? |
| 20:48 | cait1 | jcamins: ? |
| 20:48 | tcohen | is bot subject to bribery? |
| 20:48 | jcamins | For a name. |
| 20:48 | cait1 | oh |
| 20:48 | why dotty? | |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | Hmm. Who's petter? I think we're on the same flight from denver :) |
| 20:49 | jcamins | 'Cause it's kind of like "Dobby" and kind of like "Bot." |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | dobby isn't a bad name actually |
| 20:50 | helpful house elf :) | |
| 20:50 | rangi | pianohacker: you should note that, he is from oslo public library |
| 20:51 | they are doing some funky cool things | |
| 20:51 | pianohacker: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]for_presentations | |
| 20:52 | pianohacker | okay, cool. Hopefully we're actually on the same flight, and find each other |
| 20:52 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:52 | jcamins | Look for someone from Norway. |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | rangi: what would be a good maori name that implies helpfulness/care? |
| 20:52 | rangi | unlikely that there are 2 flights that land at the same time from denver |
| 20:52 | pianohacker | hmmmm. Really wish I were staying for the hackfest... |
| 20:52 | rangi | wizzyrea: manaaki |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | ^^ is what we should name our bot |
| 20:53 | rangi | http://kupu.maori.nz/ShowKupu.aspx?kupu=224 |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | thanks :D |
| 20:54 | pronounced how it looks? | |
| 20:54 | rangi | mah nah key |
| 20:55 | jcamins | wizzyrea: my favorite response to that is "yes, if you pronounce things like they're Maori (or whatever language)." |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | that works for languages that use a latin alphabet I guess. |
| 20:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I've heard people use that for other alphabets, too. |
| 20:59 | * gmcharlt | will rename the bot in exchange for a chocolate fish |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | mostly that question implies "are there any oddities in the pronunciation that would be different from the language we are having this conversation in" |
| 21:00 | * wizzyrea | gives gmcharlt a chocolate fish |
| 21:00 | makes a note to send some with rangi for the hackfest | |
| 21:02 | * talljoy | makes a note to look for rangi to bum some chocolate fish from. |
| 21:03 | rangi | wizzyrea: http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/fi[…]tereo/manaaki.mp3 |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 21:05 | thanks :) | |
| 21:05 | rangi | oh and of course |
| 21:06 | http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/fi[…]nd/tereo/koha.mp3 | |
| 21:06 | i expect you all to get it right at kohacon :) | |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | be sure to get the emPHAsis on the right sylLAble |
| 21:06 | rangi | after the south african corrected me on ubuntu on the eifl-foss webinar, i made a point of correcting him twice on koha |
| 21:07 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 21:07 | rangi | 2 can play that game buddy |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | oh what is the proper way |
| 21:07 | senator | deb ee an |
| 21:07 | * senator | resumes lurking |
| 21:07 | rangi | heh |
| 21:07 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 21:08 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fJF5UIS_hE |
| 21:08 | oo boon too | |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | not uh bun too |
| 21:08 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | or oo bun too |
| 21:09 | * wizzyrea | notes it |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | also, don't name your software after your girlfriend. |
| 21:11 | coffee | anyone aware of any Koreans planning to attend KC13? |
| 21:12 | rangi | nope |
| 21:13 | ill make the bot run the tests, when i can get a nice way of doing that going, it wont be before kohacon though | |
| 21:13 | eythian | hi |
| 21:14 | rambutan | hi eythian |
| 21:19 | rangi | pianohacker: there is a free shuttle to the hotel, so you and petter should be able to catch the same one at least |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | rangi: thanks, do you know if it runs that late? |
| 21:19 | rangi | yup |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | sweeeet |
| 21:19 | rangi | every 30 mins apparently |
| 21:20 | cait1 | yep |
| 21:20 | 15 and 45 | |
| 21:20 | wahanui | 60 |
| 21:20 | pianohacker | hahahaha |
| 21:20 | rangi | http://www.atlantiscasino.com/[…]s-airport-shuttle |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | 1257 and 5953 |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | 3.14 and 2.718 |
| 21:21 | wahanui | 5.858 |
| 21:21 | 7210 | |
| 21:21 | rangi | runs from 4.30am until 12.14am |
| 21:21 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 21:21 | rangi | 12.15 even |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | rangi++ |
| 21:21 | rangi | i guess you need to tip tho eh? |
| 21:21 | * rangi | doesnt understand your funny customs :) |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | for that? I probably wouldn't |
| 21:22 | rangi | i just walk round giving everyone money |
| 21:22 | cos i have no idea what im doing | |
| 21:22 | cait1 | lol |
| 21:22 | we better keep an eye on you then | |
| 21:22 | eythian | qr code is <reply>https://lh6.googleusercontent.[…]10-no/JJ71iDv.gif |
| 21:22 | wahanui: qr code is <reply>https://lh6.googleusercontent.[…]10-no/JJ71iDv.gif | |
| 21:22 | wahanui | i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | restaurants, yes; bellhops, yes; drivers of hotel shuttles... probably not |
| 21:23 | rangi | ah ok |
| 21:23 | unless they are cool and play good music in their shuttle? | |
| 21:23 | cait1 | heh |
| 21:23 | rambutan | depends on if they help you load luggage |
| 21:23 | cait1 | oh good point |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | mmm yes, agreed on that point |
| 21:24 | help meaning "pick it up for you" not "open the trunk" | |
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| 21:24 | rangi | ah ok |
| 21:24 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you don't need to tip drivers? |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | and yea, if they're cool and play good music, nobody will probably turn down a tip |
| 21:24 | jcamins | I mean, shuttle drivers. |
| 21:24 | * jcamins | didn't know that. |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | I haven't ever observed this, but I'm from the uncultured midwest |
| 21:24 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:25 | too complicated!!! | |
| 21:25 | :) | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | I know nothing about tipping. |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 21:25 | cait1 | i guess different for cabs |
| 21:25 | then for free hotel shuttles? | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | I could ask my friend who drove an airport shuttle for a while |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Yeah, you tip cabs. |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | do you?! |
| 21:25 | really?! | |
| 21:25 | wahanui | really is off now |
| 21:25 | rangi | oh yeah you definitely do cabs |
| 21:25 | * wizzyrea | is never going to new york ever. |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | well I've already been there |
| 21:26 | rangi | i know that one |
| 21:26 | jcamins | I never take taxis for that reason. |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | but I didn't (fortunately) take any cabs. |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Well, that and that they're just generally expensive. |
| 21:26 | rangi | i once caught one from teh bus station in toledo, to the hotel by the conference center |
| 21:27 | it cost about as much as my flight from nz | |
| 21:27 | (i exaggerate slightly) | |
| 21:27 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | well after the conversion you're probably close. |
| 21:27 | (I exaggerate slightly) | |
| 21:27 | jcamins | I was talking to someone the other day who took a cab from DC to New York. |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | oh my lord. |
| 21:27 | rangi | wtf |
| 21:27 | jcamins | I want to say the fair was... $700? |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | that seems less than I would have expected. That or it's closer than I think. |
| 21:28 | jcamins | DC and New York are incredibly close. |
| 21:28 | Well... | |
| 21:28 | maybe not "incredibly." | |
| 21:28 | rangi | yeah i rode the greyhound from nyc to washington dc |
| 21:28 | jcamins | But I know people who commute. |
| 21:28 | rangi | that was an experience |
| 21:29 | http://web.archive.org/web/200[…]t/confprogram.php <-- what i was doing in toledo | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 21:30 | jcamins | 11674*4 |
| 21:30 | 11674 * 4 | |
| 21:30 | wahanui | 46696 |
| 21:31 | jcamins | I wonder why wahanui requires spaces. |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | cait i've been meaning to ask you about your money on card report - it takes ages to run do you just cron/email that? |
| 21:32 | cait1 i guess ^^ | |
| 21:32 | rambutan | tan 30 |
| 21:32 | tan(30 radians) | |
| 21:33 | cait1 | wizzyrea: money on card? |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea: help my memory? | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | yep sec |
| 21:33 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Library#Patrons_w.2F_Fines | |
| 21:34 | cait1 | hm |
| 21:34 | it's not slow on our small databases | |
| 21:35 | i think it coudl be made faster maybe? | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | i suspect there are a gazillion accountlines entries in this particular database |
| 21:35 | no worries | |
| 21:35 | cait1 | sorry, not much help there i guess :( |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | is alright |
| 21:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think there are a couple other things that you tip for in New York but not in the rest of the country. |
| 21:38 | I can't remember what things, but I think there are some things. | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | it's rather optional to say, tip your hairdresser, they always give you the opportunity but it's not required. |
| 21:39 | eythian | wizzyrea: check to make sure it's using indicies properly? |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | really, if you thought your haircut was really good and you're walking out feeling like a million bucks, then yea a tip is probably worthy. |
| 21:39 | hm | |
| 21:40 | eythian | wahanui: tips are weird. |
| 21:40 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:01 | mtj | hey wizzyrea, did you get your question to me answered, from yesterday? |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | oh it was aobut the tweet bot |
| 22:01 | he seemed stuck | |
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| 22:07 | mtj | ah yep, sorry about that :/ |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | :) is np |
| 22:07 | mtj | i'll test him outta channel for a few days, before i bring him back online... |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | twas kind of a busy twitter day for #kohails yesterday |
| 22:08 | jcamins | mtj: what is the goal of tweetbot, btw? I only ever notice it when it's spamming the channel. |
| 22:09 | I presume it's doing something during the NZ day, when I'm not around. | |
| 22:09 | mtj | it queries twitter every 5-ish mins, and posts #kohails tweets to this channel |
| 22:10 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 22:11 | mtj | its goal is to titilate and inform |
| 22:12 | …but when my linode vm runs out of disk, it also drives people batshit :( | |
| 22:12 | jcamins | Heh. What else do you run on it? |
| 22:13 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 22:13 | eythian | should put nagios checks on it :) |
| 22:13 | thd-away joined #koha | |
| 22:14 | mtj | yeah, i know know! |
| 22:14 | i might fix it proper this time | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | Go for it! |
| 22:16 | thd-away` joined #koha | |
| 22:18 | mtj | but pleease kick him quick, if he ever goes crazy again |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | ah ok |
| 22:20 | thd-away` joined #koha | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | he'll not try to reconnect if kicked? |
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| 22:20 | mtj | sorry, i think i mean banned, not kicked |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | ah okies |
| 22:22 | edveal | Does anyone know if Koha considers an item as "available" if it is available for pick to fill a hold and another patron wants to place it on hold, yet on shelf holds is off? Is that clear as mud? |
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| 22:23 | rangi | no idea, you'd have to test it to see :) |
| 22:23 | id guess no | |
| 22:23 | because onshelf doesnt actually check its on the shelf | |
| 22:23 | it checks its not on loan | |
| 22:24 | and it wont be onloan if its just waiting | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 22:24 | waiting items are not on loan, and so show as availab.e | |
| 22:24 | available* | |
| 22:24 | onshelf holds would disallow further holds | |
| 22:24 | (if it's off) | |
| 22:24 | cait1 | hm |
| 22:25 | edveal | Thank you that was what I thought just wanted to verify. |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | it'll do that until it's checked out |
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| 22:25 | wizzyrea | a librarian can override that though, i think. |
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| 22:54 | wizzyrea | @later tell dcook https://soundcloud.com/soundre[…]ne-sound-remedyyy |
| 22:54 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:46 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:50 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:54 | dcook | morning for realz this time? |
| 23:55 | mtompset | Nope... it was evening still. :O |
| 23:55 | Oops. :P | |
| 23:55 | Greetings, dcook. | |
| 23:55 | * dcook | looks outside |
| 23:56 | dcook | 'tis a bit gray |
| 23:56 | hey ya |
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