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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | ? |
| 00:00 | http://www.google.com/webmaste[…]ools/richsnippets | |
| 00:00 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 00:01 | Cool, eh? | |
| 00:01 | You'll need to try it on recent master. | |
| 00:02 | http://www.google.com/webmaste[…]lionumber%3D24433 | |
| 00:03 | dcook | Courtesy of master XSLTs? |
| 00:03 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 00:03 | dcook | Sweet |
| 00:03 | rangi | dcook: courtesy of dan scott |
| 00:03 | dcook | I would've killed for RDFa on some government sites a few months ago |
| 00:03 | Well, maybe not killed... | |
| 00:03 | Good one, dan scott. Wherever you are! | |
| 00:04 | jcamins | dbs++ |
| 00:04 | rangi | dcook: its dbs, in here :) |
| 00:04 | dcook | dbs++ |
| 00:05 | Progress is awesome | |
| 00:05 | drnoe left #koha | |
| 00:06 | dcook | Has that made it into a release or is just in master? |
| 00:06 | rangi | it will be in 3.14 |
| 00:07 | im not sure if it got picked back | |
| 00:07 | dcook | bug 6594 |
| 00:07 | rangi | @query rdfa |
| 00:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add schema.org microdata |
| 00:07 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6594 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add schema.org microdata | |
| 00:07 | rangi | :) |
| 00:07 | dcook | Doesn't look like it, but that's pretty cool |
| 00:07 | Hmm, I like your way better ;) | |
| 00:44 | jeff | gmcharlt++ esi++ |
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| 00:54 | jcamins | jeff: what did they do this time? |
| 00:56 | jeff | made a customer happy. :-) |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | i hope that means he's gotten out his weed wacker and fought his way out of the weeds. |
| 00:59 | whacker? | |
| 00:59 | yes. that. | |
| 00:59 | wahanui | yes. that is probably what we are doing now. if we have more patrons then it becomes tough. |
| 01:00 | eythian | Wacken is a place in Germany with a huge annual metal festival. |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | suppose that gives a different meaning to weed wacken |
| 01:01 | eythian | Metal != Reggae |
| 01:01 | * wizzyrea | tries to remember what the chemical alteration substance of choice is for metalheads. |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | beer? |
| 01:01 | wahanui | i guess beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy. |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea | that it is. |
| 01:02 | dcook | Yeah, I think it's beer |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | beer wacken sounds less funny. |
| 01:03 | dcook | wine wacken? |
| 01:03 | * dcook | pictures metalheads in tuxes holding wine glasses |
| 01:07 | notes that the time is only 11am in Sydney.. | |
| 02:02 | rangi | @query overdrive |
| 02:02 | huginn | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10846 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add preference for naming OverDrive collection |
| 02:02 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10879 normal, P5 - low, ---, pianohacker, NEW , OverDrive should check for OverDriveLibraryID before performing search | |
| 02:02 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search | |
| 02:02 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9252 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add option to send patron's home branch in AF field | |
| 02:02 | rangi: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9531 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make SIP2 message terminator configurable via SIPconfig.xml | |
| 02:16 | wizzyrea | we are retiring ccsr in favor of bootstrap soon eh? |
| 02:17 | dcook | Oh? That didn't seem very long lived |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea | the bootstrap one looks pretty much just like it |
| 02:17 | and is responsive in the same way | |
| 02:17 | just wondering if I should be fixing bugs | |
| 02:17 | in ccsr | |
| 02:17 | such as "opacnavright messes up login box in ccsr" | |
| 02:19 | jcamins | wizzyrea: if you're patching it for the customer's staging server yes, otherwise, meh. |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | meh it is. |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | actually most of the new nav preferences are messed up in ccsr. |
| 02:21 | right nav and bottom nav | |
| 02:21 | but I think ok in bootstrap | |
| 02:21 | well I know ok in bootstrap | |
| 02:23 | dbs | dcook: glad that the RDFa makes you happy; also, the LoC mirrors at http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/ happen to be mine too :) |
| 02:29 | dcook | dbs: I put two and two together after a little bit of perusing ;) |
| 02:29 | Good work with both :) | |
| 02:31 | * jeff | grins |
| 02:31 | jeff | dbs++ |
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| 03:11 | rambutan | @seen jcamins |
| 03:11 | huginn | rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 50 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <jcamins> Heh. |
| 03:11 | jcamins | rambutan: I'll be leaving in a few minutes, but what's up? |
| 03:11 | rambutan | @later tell jcamins Somehow when I'm logged on at home it holds the nick even after it's been kicked. |
| 03:11 | huginn | rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:12 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 03:12 | rambutan | that' |
| 03:12 | s all | |
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| 04:00 | wizzyrea | hey um. for new theme development, if one were going to do that, what version of IE would we want to support (lowest) |
| 04:02 | * dcook | would suggest 7 |
| 04:03 | dcook | I think some people still use 6 but they're quite rare |
| 04:03 | I think 7 is becomingn rarer...so you might be able to get away with 8 | |
| 04:03 | But I've had enough people complain about 7 to say 7 :p | |
| 04:08 | mtompset | I can't get my data reindexed. GRRRRRR. |
| 04:17 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:18 | * Oak | waves |
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| 04:59 | dcook | mtompset: Still having issues? |
| 04:59 | * dcook | waves to Oak and ebegin |
| 04:59 | mtompset | dcook: Yes. |
| 04:59 | dcook | What's up? |
| 05:00 | I know you were mentioning it the other day, but does Zebra croak? | |
| 05:01 | Oak | Ahoy dcook |
| 05:01 | hello mtompset | |
| 05:01 | mtompset | zebra isn't croaked. |
| 05:02 | dcook | So at what stage isn't it reindexing? |
| 05:04 | mtompset | okay... reboot server. |
| 05:04 | so everything is running properly. | |
| 05:04 | ps aux | grep zebra | |
| 05:04 | looks good. | |
| 05:04 | try the full reindex. | |
| 05:04 | it barfs. | |
| 05:04 | so only partial reindex is done. | |
| 05:05 | so then I use bug 6566 | |
| 05:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed |
| 05:05 | mtompset | to insert records into the zebra queue. |
| 05:05 | -- which worked in the past. | |
| 05:05 | (on a smaller data set) | |
| 05:05 | I had to do a few passes to complete, but it worked. | |
| 05:06 | basically called the script -c -z, sleep 360, and then loop again. manually break when it doesn't add any more. | |
| 05:06 | NOW... | |
| 05:06 | larger data set. | |
| 05:07 | 512MB of ram with no swap space. | |
| 05:07 | I got the data in... painfully long to do. | |
| 05:07 | via mysqldump. | |
| 05:07 | Ran the full reindex properly. | |
| 05:07 | koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library | |
| 05:08 | barfs (as expected) | |
| 05:08 | turns out the system is killing the process. | |
| 05:08 | can't remember what that is called, but linux has a way of detecting something that is going to result in massive deadlock and it auto kills it. | |
| 05:09 | I suspect with a larger data set, even this script's zebra queue method is hitting that same problem. | |
| 05:10 | because it adds about 13K more records, but then has been looping doing the same amount over and over. | |
| 05:10 | So I have a partial reindex, but not full. | |
| 05:10 | -- hello, Oak. :) | |
| 05:11 | And I am hoping that my library colleagues will agree to moving the hosting from our painful 512MB VM to a much nicer 1GB VM elsewhere for less money. :) | |
| 05:11 | Thankfully, this is the QA system. | |
| 05:20 | The problem is... there is no log that clearly states consistently, "Processed killed" or anything like that. :( | |
| 05:22 | Is there a way to dump the zebraqueue? | |
| 05:22 | I mean empty? | |
| 05:41 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:43 | magnuse | DELETE FROM zebraqueue;? |
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| 05:49 | * Oak | waves back |
| 05:49 | hugs cait | |
| 05:49 | Oak | here, have some cookies. |
| 05:49 | cait | oh hi Oak :) |
| 05:49 | Oak | :) |
| 05:49 | cait | thank you |
| 05:49 | Oak | welcome |
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| 05:55 | dcook | @karma windows8 |
| 05:55 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 05:56 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 05:56 | dcook | @karma windows8 |
| 05:56 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 05:56 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 05:57 | dcook | ... |
| 05:58 | @karma windows8 | |
| 05:58 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "windows8" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 06:00 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 06:03 | dcook | Windows 8 is horrible... |
| 06:03 | * dcook | looks at the laptop |
| 06:03 | dcook | Oh...has my user finally been created? |
| 06:03 | * dcook | looks at his watch |
| 06:03 | dcook | Wait, I don't wear a watch... |
| 06:06 | cait | heh |
| 06:06 | i guess it's slow? | |
| 06:06 | why would you do that to a laptop btw? | |
| 06:06 | mtompset | 8.1 is better. |
| 06:06 | still bad, but better. | |
| 06:13 | okay... > 172K records in the zebraqueue. | |
| 06:13 | cleared that up... let's see if I can get it to limp to completion now. | |
| 06:17 | YAY! I think it is working. I think it may limp to completion! | |
| 06:17 | Added about 400+ records in 5 minutes, and then suddenly only 20+ records not done. :) | |
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| 06:20 | rangi | you people and your proprietary OSes |
| 06:21 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:23 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "BAM! Zebra is working. :)" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/235 |
| 06:24 | dcook | Yeah, I'm not digging the proprietary OSes so much these days |
| 06:24 | Work laptop though | |
| 06:24 | magnuse | run linux off a usb? |
| 06:24 | dcook | Trying to figure out how I'm going to work at Kohacon.. |
| 06:25 | rangi | dcook: opposite here, you have to get special permission (like you work on the QA or design team) to have a windows machine :) |
| 06:25 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:25 | rangi: That sounds nice :) | |
| 06:25 | magnuse: I suppose that's an option | |
| 06:26 | magnuse | catalyst++ |
| 06:27 | mtompset | dcook: What do you mean "trying to figure out how..."? |
| 06:28 | Won't you have a laptop brought with you? | |
| 06:28 | magnuse | “From Librarian to Developer in 90 Minutes” - that sounds like fun! |
| 06:28 | dcook | Yarp |
| 06:28 | The remote connection is pretty slow though | |
| 06:29 | mtompset | Remote connection? Why do you need a remote connection? |
| 06:29 | If this is a windows box, why not VirtualBox and set up putty and a few other useful tools? | |
| 06:30 | dcook | I'm still going to want to have a hand in the kitchen back here :p |
| 06:30 | * magnuse | would definitely go the virtualbox route if he was tied to a windows box during the hackfest |
| 06:30 | magnuse | ah |
| 06:30 | dcook | But that's not a bad idea... |
| 06:31 | Although I'm not sure how much hard drive space I have | |
| 06:32 | And I don't think the memory is so hot on this laptop | |
| 06:32 | Even the VM I have on this desktop is pretty crap | |
| 06:32 | mtompset | dcook: Welcome to my 11 months in the Philippines in 2012. :P |
| 06:33 | cait | dcook: make sure you turn the starting sound of windows off somehow... |
| 06:33 | mtompset | 2GB netbook running 32-bit Ubuntu. |
| 06:33 | cait | you might get glares bringing a windows machine to kohacon... ;) |
| 06:33 | dcook | lol |
| 06:33 | mtompset | Seriously?! Such a judgmental crowd? :P |
| 06:34 | dcook | Good to know |
| 06:34 | cait | hehe not so bad |
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| 06:35 | rangi | i totally judge people |
| 06:35 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:36 | dcook | rangi is like a cat. It might hiss and scratch at you, but you can't help but them :p |
| 06:37 | mtompset | ^help but^help but love^? |
| 06:38 | dcook | Indeed |
| 06:38 | * dcook | stares at the Windows 8 start menu and tries to remember what he was trying to do |
| 06:39 | magnuse | install ubuntu? |
| 06:40 | dcook | Hard drive size |
| 06:40 | Thanks for the reminder ;) | |
| 06:40 | Good lord...what's running on this beast.. | |
| 06:40 | 83 gb used | |
| 06:41 | Windows is 20gb alone | |
| 06:43 | cait | @seen khall_away |
| 06:43 | huginn | cait: khall_away was last seen in #koha 19 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <khall_away> happy bday rangi! |
| 06:43 | cait | @seen khall |
| 06:43 | huginn | cait: khall was last seen in #koha 3 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <khall> Ah, I see. Thanks! |
| 06:46 | magnuse | khall had a moment of enlightenment and bolted from #koha? ;-) |
| 06:49 | Oak | mtompset, I have little knowledge of what you were doing earlier... but just thought it may help you or improve your understanding by reading this https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]fs#Copy-On-Write_.28CoW.29 |
| 06:49 | whole page preferably | |
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| 06:50 | * magnuse | renews the koha.no domain |
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| 06:51 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 06:53 | kivilahtio__ | see bug 9921 |
| 06:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Patch doesn't apply , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
| 06:53 | kivilahtio__ | so someone is currently working on that bug? |
| 06:53 | then I can just make a dirty hack to get our biblinumber preserved | |
| 06:53 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 06:54 | mtompset | Oak: Our VM environment doesn't let me touch /dev, even if I am root. I hate vserver! |
| 06:54 | vserver-- | |
| 06:54 | dcook | magnuse: Looks like someone already has koha.ca |
| 06:54 | Naturally, it's about hockey :p | |
| 06:55 | magnuse | kivilahtio__: bug 9921 is about forcing the biblionumber into 001, not making what is in 001 be the biblionumber |
| 06:55 | mtompset | Some place just outside of Ottawa with a bunch of old guys who like playing hockey. |
| 06:56 | Oak | magnuse++ |
| 06:56 | okay mtompset :) | |
| 06:56 | mtompset | I think I'm going to get more than 2 hours sleep. :) |
| 06:56 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
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| 06:57 | Oak | @later tell mtompset http://www.newscientist.com/ar[…]wl-or-a-lark.html |
| 06:57 | huginn | Oak: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:58 | kivilahtio__ | magnuse: good point |
| 06:59 | magnuse | and let me just say that preserving biblionumbers from an old system sounds like a bad idea |
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| 07:01 | dcook | Maybe preserve biblionumbers from an old system in a local field |
| 07:01 | But I wouldn't use them | |
| 07:08 | All right. Gym time! | |
| 07:08 | * dcook | is starting to get addicted enough to these endorphins that he might actually use the gym facilities at the Atlantis |
| 07:08 | dcook | Maybe... |
| 07:08 | wahanui | maybe is a momentaneous error |
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| 07:17 | paxed | *grmbl* translatable strings "There are ", "no libraries defined", "no patron categories defined" that's just lovely. |
| 07:23 | kf | if you don't like it improve it ;) |
| 07:23 | good morning #koha | |
| 07:24 | magnuse | kia ora kf |
| 07:24 | paxed | kf: i'm just trying to translate this thing, no idea if we're going to use it. |
| 07:25 | kivilahtio__ | good morning kf |
| 07:26 | paxed: we will :) | |
| 07:26 | kf | maybe stop calling it 'this thing' in that case ;) |
| 07:26 | paxed | also, a missing %s in a translation string breaking a page completely, and not even giving any hint which translation string it is .... a big no-no in my book. |
| 07:27 | kf | hm that's not true |
| 07:27 | rangi | be rangi |
| 07:27 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 07:27 | kf | if you use poedit it will give you ar warn on saving |
| 07:27 | if you run thte translation scripts, it will also give you a warning | |
| 07:27 | and output the string | |
| 07:28 | paxed | the translation script doesn't tell which file it's doing. |
| 07:28 | kf | it will give you the string |
| 07:28 | and you can search easily with that | |
| 07:28 | magnuse | paxed: which version and how are you running the translate script |
| 07:28 | ? | |
| 07:28 | paxed | yes, i know. it could still say which file. |
| 07:28 | kf | what would the file help you? |
| 07:28 | paxed | magnuse: git, manually. |
| 07:29 | kf | and most of the time it's multiple files |
| 07:30 | magnuse | paxed: tried running with -v too? |
| 07:31 | paxed | magnuse: ah, that helps. thanks. |
| 07:33 | kf: what about those who use pootle, does that complain about missing %s too? | |
| 07:34 | kf | i think i tmight be one of the filters |
| 07:34 | i normally trnaslate with pootle and then use poedit to double check the files for errors | |
| 07:42 | paxed | the translation files are hostile. i can't imagine trying to translate those without any coding experience. |
| 07:43 | magnuse | um, you should not have to look inside the files unless you make some mistake in matching up the %s's |
| 07:45 | rangi | you mean the .po files? |
| 07:45 | paxed | i have no problem with the po-file format. |
| 07:45 | rangi | you just like complaining? |
| 07:46 | paxed | msgid "%s %s (%s) %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s %s [" <-- this is the reason i'm cranky. |
| 07:46 | as an example. | |
| 07:46 | kf | just copy it |
| 07:47 | magnuse | yeah, those are the easy ones |
| 07:47 | kf | we can try to help you, but if you are negative about it it won't get easier |
| 07:48 | paxed | oh, i'm hoping to get underflow soon, i'm 8bit. |
| 07:48 | kivilahtio__ | lol |
| 07:48 | kf | ok, i didn't get that one :) |
| 07:48 | * magnuse | neither |
| 07:48 | kf | just saying, translating is boring |
| 07:49 | kivilahtio__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEOLPDOKdtY |
| 07:49 | kf | i am not going to deny that :) |
| 07:49 | paxed | 8 bits can only store values in the range of 0-255, or if you use signed bit, -128 - 127 ... |
| 07:50 | kivilahtio__ | ok how do I change the documentation in Koha? Mainly interested in where the man files for bulkmarcimport.pl are? |
| 07:50 | kf | they are in the file I think |
| 07:50 | so you would send a patch | |
| 07:51 | or do you mean something that was noted in the manual? | |
| 07:51 | manual? | |
| 07:51 | wahanui | i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 07:51 | kivilahtio__ | kf: Ah here in the end |
| 07:51 | kf: my mistake | |
| 07:52 | magnuse | .pl scripts have embedded POD, only the commands provided by the packages have separate man pages (maintained in docbook) |
| 07:52 | ...as far as i know | |
| 07:53 | well, .pl and .pm have POD | |
| 07:53 | kivilahtio__ | magnuse: got that |
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| 09:10 | kivilahtio__ | do you have any validator utility classes? |
| 09:10 | or libraries? | |
| 09:10 | wahanui | libraries are the kings of overcomplication |
| 09:10 | kivilahtio__ | agreed :D |
| 09:11 | kf | whta are you trying to do? |
| 09:11 | kivilahtio__ | validate the biblioitemnumber and biblionumber in the C4-modules |
| 09:11 | kf: well i can get my patch ready today | |
| 09:11 | kf: you can check it out later if you want | |
| 09:12 | kf | I won't have any time I am afraid |
| 09:12 | I am covered with QA currently... and my nrmal work | |
| 09:12 | kivilahtio__ | kf: dont sweat it, no rpoblem, you have been very kind as it is |
| 09:21 | paxed | hm. preferences.pl?tab=circulation apparently can't do utf8 |
| 09:36 | kf | paxed: hm it works fine for me |
| 09:36 | where do you see a problem? | |
| 09:37 | kivilahtio__ | hmm, I cannot clear my zebra database |
| 09:38 | ./rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -a -v | |
| 09:39 | maybe removing /var/lib/zebradb/biblios will do the trick ;) | |
| 09:43 | kf | hm i would not recomment removing files |
| 09:43 | recommend even | |
| 09:43 | is there any error? when you run with -r? | |
| 09:43 | there is also search faq? | |
| 09:43 | search faq? | |
| 09:43 | wahanui | search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 09:51 | paxed | kf: http://bilious.alt.org/~paxed/kohautf8.png |
| 09:51 | kf: all the other prefs "panes" show the utf8 chars correctly | |
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| 09:57 | kf | hm that's strange |
| 09:58 | German umlauts display correctly on the cir ctab | |
| 09:58 | I just checked | |
| 10:01 | paxed | i wonder if pootle makes it hard for translators to see if there's a space at the end of the string or not? i need to fix dozens and dozens or translated strings that do not have space at the end when the msgid has space. |
| 10:05 | kf | it shows it with a red underline |
| 10:06 | i think many people ignore it or forget it | |
| 10:06 | paxed | lovely. |
| 10:08 | kf | translation is an iterative process I think |
| 10:08 | you learn and improve all the time | |
| 10:09 | paxed | it was a comment on the tool, not the process. |
| 10:33 | ehheh. msgid "[% description |html %]" | |
| 10:39 | magnuse | just copy it |
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| 10:48 | mtompset | Woo hoo! It continues to reindex properly as far as I can tell. YAY! In a few hours, my indexing nightmare will be gone. |
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| 10:59 | kivilahtio__ | hmm, removing all the directories under var/lib/zebradb/authorities && biblios seems to have fixed my zebra issues regarding biblios not getting removed from zebra... |
| 11:00 | rebuild_zebra.pl hen rebuilds then broken directory structure | |
| 11:03 | paxed | magnuse: i know, but i find it funny the translation contains Template Toolkit code. |
| 11:08 | mtompset | I didn't have a permissions problem or a directory problem. My problem is we are running in VERY LOW MEMORY situation. |
| 11:09 | By deleting everything from the zebraqueue table, and restarting the script in bug 6566, our indexing is slowly rebuilding. | |
| 11:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, CLOSED FIXED, Checking if DB records are properly indexed |
| 11:10 | mtompset | If there are too many records in the table, I suspect that the 5 minute interval for reindexing ends up clobbering the former instance attempting to reindex. |
| 11:13 | sophie_m | mtompset : we've got a script to avoid multiple rebuild_zebra running in the case you describe |
| 11:14 | mtompset | sophie_m: Actually, I was thinking that perhaps I should look into the reindexing method that tcohen has been pushing. |
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| 11:22 | Barrc1 | Would anyone have any idea why a Koha instance would spawn multiple opac-user.pl sessions, enough to crash a server!? |
| 11:22 | opac-search.pl too..........outside of an attack! | |
| 11:23 | kivilahtio__ | Barrc1: wow that is a big guestion. Maybe you should ask the mailing list? |
| 11:24 | kf | Barrc1: could it be users? double clicking trying again and again? |
| 11:25 | Barrc1 | kivilahtio_: Yep, I will do. Just thought some might have an quick idea! |
| 11:25 | After the crash the kern log shows 1000s of connection being initiated at the same time then, theny Mysql splats! | |
| 11:25 | jcamins | Barrc1: impatient users. |
| 11:25 | Barrc1 | well, maybe multiple hundreds, rather than 1000's! |
| 11:26 | jcamins: The strange thing is the timestamp is exactly the same for all connections | |
| 11:27 | jcamins | Firewall? |
| 11:27 | Barrc1 | Is there a firewall on the box? |
| 11:27 | is that what you mean? | |
| 11:29 | jcamins | Barrc1: I was thinking of a firewall in front of the server. |
| 11:31 | Barrc1 | Yeah, looks like it might be something to try! |
| 11:32 | jcamins | I'm not suggesting you add one. I'm suggesting that the one you have is screwed up. |
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| 11:34 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 11:34 | Barrc1 | Its a small enough setup. Virtual box with iptables running on it......nothing if front - unless the datacenter are doing something |
| 11:34 | vfernandes | i'm having a problem with koha 3.12 renewals |
| 11:35 | kf | vfernandes: what's the problem? |
| 11:35 | wahanui | the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 11:35 | jcamins | I guess you have access logs, so the first question is whether the incoming IP is exactly the same. |
| 11:35 | vfernandes | the checkout calculates the due date correctly, but when I renew the due_date is the same as the renew date (today) |
| 11:36 | Barrc1 | yeah, all the same, all with the exact same timestamp, down to ms - so strange |
| 11:37 | jcamins | Exact same URL? |
| 11:37 | Barrc1 | I was thinking if there was something in Koha spawning these but it is starting to look like a remote issue - caused by users or user requests |
| 11:37 | vfernandes | kf any idea why this is happening? |
| 11:37 | kf | yes |
| 11:38 | your systempreferences | |
| 11:38 | Barrc1 | yes, all the requests originate from the same source IP |
| 11:38 | The IP of the end users | |
| 11:38 | kf | or the circulation conditions |
| 11:38 | check usedaysmode or similar for how the renewal date is calculated | |
| 11:38 | Barrc1 | apache requests, as opposed to other types! |
| 11:38 | kf | and check there is a correct renewal period set in your circulation matrix |
| 11:40 | vfernandes | omg! |
| 11:40 | renewal period is empty :D | |
| 11:40 | jcamins | Barrc1: yeah, I had a feeling. |
| 11:41 | vfernandes | thanks kf |
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| 12:00 | magnuse | Barrc1: is it similar to the issue eythian brought up on the mailing list? |
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| 12:02 | magnuse | Barrc1: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/039810.html |
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| 12:15 | Oak | later guys |
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| 12:18 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:48 | mtompset | tcohen! Good morning. :) |
| 12:48 | Greetings, oleonard. :) | |
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| 12:54 | kivilahtio__ | I am writing test cases for my patch |
| 12:54 | any idea how I can get the MARCXML back from zebra which I added using C4::Biblio::AddBiblio? | |
| 12:55 | would like to compare those results. Are they comparable? Any ideas how to compare the sameness of bibliographic records? | |
| 12:55 | jcamins | kivilahtio__: take a look at t/db_dependent/Search.t. |
| 12:55 | kivilahtio__ | jcamins: figures :D |
| 12:55 | thanks | |
| 12:55 | jcamins | But be aware that testing Zebra is kinda unpleasant. |
| 12:55 | If you can avoid any tests requiring Zebra, I recommend that route. | |
| 12:56 | kivilahtio__ | jcamins: well I feel the tests wouldnt be so accurate. No better way to make sure marc records match than compare them character to character? |
| 12:56 | jcamins | You can use Test::Deep. |
| 12:57 | I believe that works, though I'm not sure I have tried. | |
| 12:59 | kf | Joubu: around? :) |
| 13:02 | kivilahtio__ | jcamins: ok this zebra thing is a pain |
| 13:02 | jcamins: So there is no way to fetch the exact record if i know the biblionumber? | |
| 13:02 | jcamins: from Zebra? | |
| 13:03 | Joubu | kf: Hi! |
| 13:04 | kivilahtio__ | jcamins: I give up! :) |
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| 13:07 | mtompset | Greetings again, #koha. |
| 13:08 | Silly Firefox update. | |
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| 13:10 | oleonard | Hopefully an improvement mtompset: http://blog.mozilla.org/nnethe[…]ess-week-117-120/ |
| 13:10 | mtompset: Also: Try running chatzilla standalone with xulrunner | |
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| 13:18 | oleonard | kf++ |
| 13:18 | Joubu++ | |
| 13:18 | QA++ | |
| 13:18 | magnuse | qa++ always! |
| 13:20 | oleonard | @karma qa |
| 13:20 | huginn | oleonard: Karma for "qa" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. |
| 13:33 | mtompset | qa++ |
| 13:35 | kivilahtio__ | so who do I send mail to to be able to push to master? |
| 13:36 | And how do I define tests in bugzilla? | |
| 13:36 | Any guidelines for that? | |
| 13:36 | kf | kivilahtio__: noone can push to master apart from the RM |
| 13:37 | you create your patches and put them on a bug, then switch the status to "needs signoff" and a tester will take a look | |
| 13:37 | then if the tester says it's ok, qa does tet, and then the RM might push it ;) | |
| 13:37 | a step by step test plan is what is expected, best in the commit message | |
| 13:37 | kivilahtio__ | kf: yeah I got the workflow but where do I push for QA? |
| 13:38 | kf | you don't push |
| 13:38 | it's all done via bugzilla | |
| 13:38 | take a look at git bz? | |
| 13:38 | git bz? | |
| 13:38 | wahanui | git bz is, like, git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git |
| 13:38 | kf | arg wahanui. |
| 13:38 | patch workflow? | |
| 13:38 | wahanui | patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 13:38 | samueld | Qa6DrtPH |
| 13:38 | magnuse | oops |
| 13:39 | kivilahtio__ | interesting. I forget what I read. |
| 13:39 | kf | I or someone else from the QA team will get your patches from there after they are signed off :) |
| 13:40 | for really big developments there have been branches on mostly personal or company repos in the past - but normally it works with patches on the bug | |
| 13:42 | oleonard | *cough* Bug 10309 *cough* |
| 13:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 13:42 | kivilahtio__ | kf: ok, so I have a branch named Bug_6113, which has several commits, each commit start with the bugzilla header. |
| 13:43 | kf: now I need to understand this git bz. | |
| 13:43 | kf: I'll let you know what happens :) | |
| 13:44 | hmm, I didn't "git checkout -b bug_xxxx origin/master" instead i did "git checkout -b Bug_6113" and hacked away | |
| 13:44 | kf | ok :) |
| 13:45 | there is a test bug somewhere if you want to test | |
| 13:45 | that shoudl also have worked | |
| 13:45 | kivilahtio__ | kf: Ok, thanks. I try to gz this branch to bugzilla then |
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| 14:01 | oleonard | anyone know off the top of their heads what happens to holds on items which are batch-deleted? |
| 14:04 | In 3.10.x anyway it doesn't look like they're moved to oldreserves | |
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| 14:07 | oleonard | Not in master either. |
| 14:17 | kf | oleonard: ew. |
| 14:17 | sounds like a bug | |
| 14:17 | oleonard | Looks like the script checks for allocated holds but nothing else if I understand it correctly |
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| 14:18 | kf | oleonard: is that item batch delete? |
| 14:18 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:18 | kf | oleonard: maybe we need to make sure it uses the right sub to cancel the reserve instead of just deleting it |
| 14:26 | oleonard | Oh nice, it deletes the item and biblio record even if the hold is marked waiting |
| 14:29 | tcohen: No, the conservative party will just make everyone suffer for a while | |
| 14:29 | Hopefully the "liberal" | |
| 14:29 | ..party won't blink | |
| 14:30 | The last time this happened (almost 20 years ago) it didn't end well for the conservatives. I hope history repeats itself. | |
| 14:31 | tcohen | i hope the same |
| 14:32 | oleonard | In the US the Google Doodle is celebrating the anniversary of Yosemite National Park, which will be closed because of the shutdown. |
| 14:35 | kivilahtio__ | OK I got the git bz working, but how do I send my 5 commits inside branch bug_6113 to bugzilla. Using git bz 6113 <Commit_hash> just overwrites my attachements in bugzilla as their commit description header is the same |
| 14:36 | do I need to merge my commits into one big commit? or can I somehow attach the whole branch? | |
| 14:36 | oleonard | Do your 5 commits need to be separate? Can you squash them into one? |
| 14:36 | kivilahtio__ | oleonard: they don't need to, but I separated the test cases to a separate commit, but I can merge the other 4 |
| 14:37 | oleonard | kivilahtio__: You can use an interactive rebase to squash them together |
| 14:37 | git rebase -i [origin/master] | |
| 14:37 | kivilahtio__ | oleonard: I am VERY new to git |
| 14:37 | oleonard: OK, I'l look into that | |
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| 14:43 | vfernandes | hi again... |
| 14:43 | how to define stopwords in 3.10? | |
| 14:54 | oleonard | vfernandes: You don't define stopwords in Koha if you're using Zebra. |
| 14:54 | vfernandes: I don' t know much more than that. Are you asking because Zebra is not ignoring something it should? | |
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| 15:15 | kivilahtio__ | git is hard :( |
| 15:16 | do you use hard-core terminal for your git needs? or are the graphical git tools suitable for our use? | |
| 15:17 | I guess nothing works with git-bz | |
| 15:17 | I mean the GUI tools | |
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| 15:20 | oleonard | I don't find I have a need for GUI tools |
| 15:20 | I'm not a hardcore Linux geek, but with some experience I'm a happy command-line git user | |
| 15:24 | * kf | too |
| 15:24 | kf | it gets to be your second nature |
| 15:24 | after a while | |
| 15:24 | hm maybe wrong phrase... but it gets really easy | |
| 15:26 | jcamins | git? |
| 15:26 | wahanui | i think git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 15:26 | jcamins | kivilahtio__: ^^ |
| 15:26 | git-bz | |
| 15:26 | git-bz? | |
| 15:26 | wahanui | git-bz is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 15:26 | jcamins | kivilahtio__: ^^ |
| 15:27 | kf | bye all |
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| 15:29 | masoud | Hi |
| 15:29 | wahanui | que tal, masoud |
| 15:29 | masoud | I just finished installing Koha on Ubuntu |
| 15:30 | I am trying to setup my library | |
| 15:30 | But I get the following error on http://localhost | |
| 15:30 | "System maintenance The Koha online catalog is offline for system maintenance." | |
| 15:31 | Tried googling but it didn't help | |
| 15:31 | any pointers would be great | |
| 15:31 | am running a virtualbox Xubuntu 12.04 LTS | |
| 15:31 | with 1 GB RAM | |
| 15:33 | oleonard | masoud: What method did you use to install Koha? |
| 15:33 | You're arriving at the public interface rather than the staff interface | |
| 15:34 | masoud | not sure if I am naive.... |
| 15:34 | oleonard | You have to access the staff interface to complete installation |
| 15:34 | masoud | went about the instructions in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 15:34 | did sudo apt-get install | |
| 15:34 | kivilahtio__ | luckily I made backups of the changes I did today, otherwise... The whole git repo got blasted under my rebases and undos and whatnot |
| 15:35 | anyway now got the one-commit-patch to bugzilla | |
| 15:35 | oleonard | masoud: Did you define a domain name in koha-sites.conf? |
| 15:36 | kivilahtio__ | so is there any standard for the "create test case" in bugzilla? Or is it enough testing if I have a test script attached in the patch? |
| 15:36 | masoud | don't have a domain name |
| 15:36 | kivilahtio__ | like this link |
| 15:36 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]uct=Koha&bug=6113 | |
| 15:36 | masoud | i am currently testin it out |
| 15:36 | on a standalone one | |
| 15:36 | oleonard | masoud: Did you edit koha-sites.conf as described in those instructions? |
| 15:36 | masoud | before I install for my friends library |
| 15:36 | yes i did... | |
| 15:37 | left the domain as "" | |
| 15:38 | oleonard | masoud: You can put a made-up domain in koha-sites.conf if you're doing a local test installation |
| 15:38 | masoud | tried that as well as .myDNSname.org |
| 15:39 | lemme try once more | |
| 15:40 | but when I do a dnsdomainname in the Ubuntu terminal, I get nothing | |
| 15:41 | jcamins | kivilahtio__: we don't really use BZ test cases at present. |
| 15:42 | oleonard | masoud: I don't know what to suggest. All I know is that I have followed those instructions and installed successfully. I would think about what steps you might have done differently from the instructions. |
| 15:43 | masoud | thanks, @oleonard.... is there a direct way of accessing the staff site.... say by way of a specific url? |
| 15:44 | or is it always http://localhost? | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | A specific URL is exactly what you should have defined in koha-sites.conf |
| 15:45 | masoud | for which parameter in the koha-sites.conf? |
| 15:46 | rambutan | masoud: what happens when you do: http://127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 15:47 | masoud | i get a 404 |
| 15:47 | oleonard | rambutan: This is a package install, so unless masoud defined a different intranet port by hand I don't think that will work. |
| 15:47 | masoud: What is your instance name? | |
| 15:47 | rambutan | really, didn't know that |
| 15:47 | masoud | library |
| 15:48 | oleonard | What about going to http://library-intra ? |
| 15:49 | masoud | chromium throws an error "This webpage is not available" |
| 15:50 | oleonard | masoud: How far into the instructions did you get? |
| 15:51 | masoud | till the instruction on lynx |
| 15:51 | installed lynx .... | |
| 15:51 | but then i figured that i could run on the chromium browser as well | |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Yes, that's right. |
| 15:51 | wahanui | no it's not. |
| 15:52 | oleonard | Shut up wahanui |
| 15:52 | wahanui | oleonard is making me cry! |
| 15:54 | kivilahtio__ | I like wahanui |
| 15:56 | oleonard | masoud: Maybe you could try pasting the contents of /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf |
| 15:56 | paste? | |
| 15:56 | wahanui | i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 15:59 | masoud | DOMAIN="" INTRAPORT="80" INTRAPREFIX="" INTRASUFFIX="-intra" DEFAULTSQL="" OPACPORT="80" OPACPREFIX="" OPACSUFFIX="" ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" |
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| 16:05 | oleonard | Sorry masoud, I don't know what to suggest next. Maybe someone else has an idea. |
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| 16:06 | masoud | no probs, @oleonard.... thanks a lot... |
| 16:10 | jcamins | masoud: does `ping library-intra` work? |
| 16:11 | masoud | says unknown host |
| 16:12 | jcamins | masoud: okay, there's your problem. |
| 16:12 | masoud | this is a standalone install... |
| 16:13 | jcamins | You'll have to configure library-intra to point to the correct place. |
| 16:13 | masoud | ok ... |
| 16:13 | let me play around with /etc/hosts | |
| 16:16 | thanks @jcamins.... | |
| 16:17 | worked after modifying my /etc/hosts | |
| 16:17 | i get the staff login.... | |
| 16:17 | pheww..... thanks a lot guys... | |
| 16:21 | got onto the web installer... | |
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| 16:24 | jcamins | Curse you government shutdown, you get in the way of my work! |
| 16:24 | * jcamins | routes around the damage. |
| 16:25 | cait | can you? |
| 16:25 | oleonard | You're not allowed to route around the damage until you have been ideologically transformed by it. |
| 16:25 | jcamins | cait: yeah, somehow... |
| 16:34 | cait | Joubu: still around? |
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| 16:36 | mtompset | Why does the government shutdown affect you, jcamins? |
| 16:37 | How? | |
| 16:37 | tcohen | eythian: did u see the fixed patch for bug 10624? |
| 16:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch |
| 16:38 | tcohen | mtompset: maybe some gov's offices are closed? |
| 16:46 | mtompset | I should get around to signing off those things I'd say I'd try signing off on. :) |
| 16:47 | what table shows checkouts. | |
| 16:47 | cait | hm i am going to do a git bisect... wish me luck |
| 16:48 | chris_n | stupid administration |
| 16:50 | oleonard | mtompset: issues |
| 16:52 | cait | iiinteresting |
| 16:52 | bug 9130 | |
| 16:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, CLOSED FIXED, Remove old javascript from Parcel |
| 16:52 | cait | that broke it |
| 16:54 | mtompset | uh oh... poor dcook, breaking things. |
| 16:55 | cait | yay :) |
| 16:56 | i cleaned my cookies - now i can see pending orders again :D | |
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| 17:19 | mtompset | cookies++ |
| 17:19 | @karma cookies | |
| 17:19 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "cookies" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
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| 17:59 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:34 | tcohen | bug 10905 and bug 10957 |
| 18:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on |
| 18:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) | |
| 18:37 | rangi | bug 7791 |
| 18:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7791 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Deleting basket should not delete all existing orders without warning |
| 18:38 | cait1 | morning rangi |
| 18:38 | rangi | morning |
| 18:38 | cait1 | @wunder wellington |
| 18:38 | huginn | cait1: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 18:38 | cait1 | oh |
| 18:38 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 18:39 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 02, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:39 | cait1 | @wunder Konstanz |
| 18:39 | huginn | cait1: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.3°C (8:35 PM CEST on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:39 | cait1 | looks like you win |
| 18:39 | brr | |
| 18:43 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 18:43 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 22.0°C (3:00 PM ART on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:44 | rangi | @wunder reno,nv |
| 18:44 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 17.3°C (11:15 AM PDT on October 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:45 | cait1 | hmm |
| 18:45 | rangi | everything in the signoff queue applies |
| 18:45 | tcohen | its in a desert, right? wide temprerature amplitude |
| 18:45 | rangi | yep |
| 18:45 | bbiab | |
| 18:46 | * tcohen | goes find a bigger luggage |
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| 18:53 | tcohen | bbl, bye #koha |
| 18:56 | rangi | what does the fox say? |
| 18:56 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
| 19:05 | cait1 | heh |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 19:08 | the fox? | |
| 19:08 | wahanui | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
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| 19:54 | Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run Forrest run! | http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software | |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | to me it seems like, no matter how you go at acq, you're always stumbling into things by accident and not getting there purposefully |
| 19:55 | finding the thing you want always feels accidental | |
| 19:55 | (even if you intentionally went there) | |
| 19:55 | that's just me though. | |
| 19:56 | cait | hm |
| 19:56 | I think i have spent way too much time in acq to be objective | |
| 19:56 | 3.2 was pretty bad | |
| 19:56 | and we had unhappy libraries, it has gotten a lot better since | |
| 19:57 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's how it seems to me too. |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | sometimes I can stumble in a way that seems sensical, but I always trip up |
| 19:57 | but yea it has gotten better | |
| 19:58 | cait | i think we need to get a hold on the tax stuff sometime |
| 19:58 | but the basic workflows are not annoying my right now | |
| 19:58 | :) | |
| 19:58 | and there is a nice feature in galen's queue that will allow automatically removing the on order status when you receive i think | |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | that's pretty handy |
| 19:59 | cait | i haven't tested it yet, but excited about it anyway |
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| 20:00 | * cait | goes to test bug 9044 next |
| 20:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions |
| 20:02 | cait | wizzyrea: US making all the news here tody |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | ugh I know. |
| 20:02 | * wizzyrea | finds her "go maple leafs" shirt |
| 20:02 | rambutan | for our governmental issues? |
| 20:03 | cait | yes |
| 20:03 | i guess people find it hard to imagine that here | |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | maybe australia? if this happens there it triggers immediate dissolution of the government and full re-elections |
| 20:03 | this seems sensible to me | |
| 20:04 | rangi | same here |
| 20:04 | cait | not sure here |
| 20:04 | oleonard | Hard to imagine our politicians enacting a rule which could end up getting themselves fired. |
| 20:04 | rambutan | gee, talk about a tsunami approach! |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | BURN IT ALL |
| 20:04 | rangi | well if they cant do their jobs, then gtfo and let someone who can in |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^ |
| 20:05 | rambutan | what I think should happen in cases like this is that political parties are immendiately dissolved until a totally clean budget is passed |
| 20:05 | rangi | confidence and supply agreements |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | speaking of... need to test LoC ztarget now. |
| 20:06 | rambutan | sorry wizzyrea, LoC is closed |
| 20:06 | rangi | was working for me |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | the z target? |
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| 20:06 | * wizzyrea | tests it |
| 20:06 | cait | ah different here |
| 20:06 | rangi | all last night |
| 20:06 | cait | but i have no idea how to explain it in english |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | yea it's up |
| 20:06 | rangi | yep |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | they missed that cable in the switch room. |
| 20:07 | rangi | no one is being paid to turn it off |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | kek |
| 20:07 | the idea that they actually turned off the web sites | |
| 20:07 | cait | ah different system here |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | or put on a placeholder |
| 20:07 | cait | interesting |
| 20:07 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | seeing what happens when the staff isn't there to keep it running would be a better indicator of the necessity of money to run the service than shutting it down. |
| 20:08 | rangi | totally |
| 20:08 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I don't think you understand this. |
| 20:08 | rangi | i hope they didnt actually turn it off |
| 20:08 | jcamins | We're SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | uhhuh |
| 20:08 | jcamins | No matter how much more expensive that is than any alternative. |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | no I get it. |
| 20:09 | rangi | cos anytime you do that, theres a decent chance that server aint coming back |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Because WE ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. |
| 20:09 | * jcamins | begins chanting "SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT" in time with the [expletive deleted]s in DC. |
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| 20:10 | oleonard | rangi: http://i.imgur.com/UZCzSH4.jpg |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:11 | did you just make that | |
| 20:11 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:11 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:11 | rangi | heh |
| 20:12 | yeah | |
| 20:14 | this was interesting to me | |
| 20:14 | https://twitter.com/DylanReeve[…]84900013282705408 | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Gotta run guys. Try not to make the government any shutty-downier while I'm gone. |
| 20:14 | rangi | im not sure it would be possible |
| 20:14 | cya oleonard :) | |
| 20:15 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, I'm hoping our insurance might go down, but honestly I'd be shocked. |
| 20:15 | Apparently we already have extraordinarly cheap insurance here. | |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | getting it on your own, outside a group, is still going to be stupid expensive. |
| 20:15 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | don't get me started on the plan that could have been |
| 20:16 | * gmcharlt | is starting to emerge from the weeds |
| 20:16 | * cait | waves |
| 20:16 | * wizzyrea | imagines gmcharlt grass stained, dirty, wild eyed |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | http://www.theatlanticwire.com[…]e-shutdown/70068/ |
| 20:20 | rangi | yeah that was cool |
| 20:21 | ibeardslee | http://blog.scribd.com/2013/10/01/the-new-scribd/ |
| 20:21 | rangi | interesting |
| 20:21 | wahanui | somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 20:28 | ibeardslee | rangi: what gets me in that photo .. WTFH would you be sitting down with a pack on your back reading when you have all that scenery to be looking at |
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| 20:29 | wizzyrea | on your iPad |
| 20:29 | which you can't see in that light anyway | |
| 20:29 | at least not that generation of iPad. | |
| 20:50 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | whaddup :) |
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| 20:55 | ltreat | Hello, everyone. Anyone available to answer a fairly technical question re: database migration? |
| 20:55 | tcohen | cait? |
| 20:55 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
| 20:56 | cait | heh |
| 20:56 | not that late yet :) | |
| 20:56 | but soonish | |
| 20:57 | rangi | ltreat: we wont know until you ask it |
| 20:57 | tcohen | cait: bug 10691 |
| 20:57 | ltreat | Very true. I'd heard of this project because we run evergreen at my work, but my church library needs an opensource (read, free) program but it currently uses Concourse |
| 20:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10691 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , 5xx not properly linked by authid in authority search result list |
| 20:57 | ltreat | Don't want to re-enter all the books |
| 20:59 | tcohen | any thoughts? |
| 20:59 | rangi | it might be massive overkill for your library ltreat |
| 21:00 | ltreat | It might, and we're definitely not tech-gurus and setting it up will be probably a pain, but we need a free alternative without a book number limit |
| 21:01 | rangi | if you already know evergreen, why not that? |
| 21:01 | its only the same level of overkill ;) | |
| 21:01 | ltreat | According to the IT guy, it's much more complicated to set up and requires a server. He thought that Koha was on a slightly smaller scale |
| 21:01 | He could have been wrong lol | |
| 21:01 | rangi | they can both run big, and both run small |
| 21:01 | libraries | |
| 21:01 | wahanui | libraries are the kings of overcomplication |
| 21:02 | ltreat | ikr? you think you have everything set up and then squirrely business happens |
| 21:02 | rangi | koha requires a server too |
| 21:02 | ltreat | agh. Don't suppose anyone knows of any other free services for a small library without a book limit? |
| 21:02 | rangi | it is easier to install, because it is packaged, so if you use ubuntu or debian easier |
| 21:03 | tcohen | i'd stick with the one that requires less maintenance |
| 21:03 | rangi | but you either host it yourself, or pay someone to host it for you |
| 21:03 | just like you would for evergreen | |
| 21:03 | ltreat | Which one is less maintenance? but yes, actually there are hosting services for libraries like mine where we can get it on the cheap |
| 21:04 | rangi | cheap is not my forte im afraid, im into free as in freedom, someone else might know though |
| 21:06 | ltreat | There are specific non-profit hosting companies, according to the IT guy. I would have to track them down. But if both require a server, which would be easier all in all maintenance-wise? I don't have a very tech-happy staff |
| 21:08 | rangi | hard to know, ive never maintained an evergreen server |
| 21:09 | ltreat | hm. all right then. thanks for the help! |
| 21:16 | tcohen | cait: do u have a minute to talk about that bug? |
| 21:16 | cait | oh sorry |
| 21:16 | bit tired already, i missed your comment earlier | |
| 21:16 | what's the problem? | |
| 21:16 | wahanui | the problem is probably it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 21:16 | tcohen | 10691 |
| 21:17 | would u agree to test for RLIN, and fallback to search instead of authid? | |
| 21:19 | eythian | hi |
| 21:19 | wahanui | bidet, eythian |
| 21:19 | tcohen | hi eythian |
| 21:20 | eythian | hi there |
| 21:20 | I have your bug open, I'll hopefully get a look at it today. | |
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| 21:22 | tcohen | =) |
| 21:24 | cait | tcohen: I think the way we do it most places is - use the number if there is one |
| 21:25 | else do a text search | |
| 21:25 | i think that jared does it that way on the detail page, but not sure | |
| 21:25 | results seem different | |
| 21:25 | tcohen | ok, some refactoring is needed then, but it wouldnt be so problematic |
| 21:25 | what i noticed is that this actually doesnt work at all for unimarc... | |
| 21:33 | http://rt.com/usa/us-governmen[…]utdown-memes-570/ | |
| 21:44 | cait | hm you would have to ask jared about that i think |
| 21:44 | not sure about how much is implemented of those features for unimarc | |
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| 22:23 | jcamins | tcohen: the value stored in $9 is authid. |
| 22:23 | "RLIN" is just wrong in this context. | |
| 22:27 | tcohen | ok, learnt |
| 22:30 | jcamins | It's one of those bugs that doesn't really have a clear fix so it stays broken. |
| 22:32 | tcohen | you're talking about the naming of $9? or the bug itself jcamins? |
| 22:32 | jcamins | The name. |
| 22:32 | wahanui | somebody said the name was weird too? |
| 22:37 | cait | switching to $0 and $w would be nice... |
| 22:37 | jcamins | That'd be very nice. |
| 22:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10843 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , print a slip can cause an error |
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| 23:07 | jcamins | write code that drives our products and enables things to get |
| 23:07 | done? | |
| 23:07 | Well, that didn't quite work. | |
| 23:07 | rangi | heh |
| 23:07 | neither will that job | |
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| 23:08 | jcamins | But I definitely wake up in the morning and think "I want to write code to drive some faceless company's products!" |
| 23:11 | eythian | face recognition software for a faceless corporation? |
| 23:13 | * jcamins | considers. |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Nope, still don't wake up thinking that. |
| 23:15 | wizzyrea | so, I'm still connecting to z39.50 via yaz... |
| 23:15 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 23:15 | wizzyrea | to LoC |
| 23:16 | so it's not dead yet. | |
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| 23:19 | dcook | morning folks |
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| 23:21 | wizzyrea | Hullo-a |
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| 23:48 | dcook | LoC may be down, but you can still read about UNIMARC on Ifla's site :p |
| 23:48 | * dcook | wonders if there woudl be time to overthrow MARC before LoC comes back online |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Yes! Do it! |
| 23:49 | * dcook | looks over at gmcharlt |
| 23:49 | dcook | Maybe Galen orchestrated this whole thing... |
| 23:49 | * dcook | wonders if the NSA tracks #koha |
| 23:50 | dcook | :P |
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