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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | mtompset | Hmm... I know I'm late to the conversation, but shouldn't the bot be named Adams? (Patch Adams, get it?) |
| 00:10 | rangi | wooosh |
| 00:10 | thats the sound of that reply to my email missing my point entirely | |
| 00:19 | dcook | Which list? |
| 00:20 | cait1 | main :) |
| 00:20 | dcook | Ah... |
| 00:20 | Yeah... | |
| 00:34 | cait1 left #koha | |
| 00:51 | rangi | *sigh* i hope no one thinks that i actually think MARC is good |
| 00:51 | deleting that message so i cant respond | |
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| 01:12 | jcamins | Is anyone aware of a modern web browser that uses less RAM than Chrome or Firefox? |
| 01:13 | eythian | epiphany? or whatever they call the gnome webbrowser these days. |
| 01:15 | mtompset | oh... shoot, there was one I was using a while back... |
| 01:15 | oh wait.. you aren't talking windows. :P | |
| 01:15 | mtj | opera might be a good choice, too |
| 01:15 | it was lean, last time i checked | |
| 01:15 | jcamins | Isn't Opera just Chrome with an MDI interface these days? |
| 01:16 | mtj | heh, yeah possibly |
| 01:16 | they switched to webkit recently, i heard | |
| 01:16 | eythian | webkit != chrome != chromium |
| 01:17 | there is a difference between the engine and the browser. | |
| 01:17 | jcamins | So, maybe lower RAM use. |
| 01:17 | I'll download it and try it. | |
| 01:18 | Oh, I already have it. | |
| 01:18 | mtj | fwiw, im a fan of opera - and have been using it as my go-to browser for years |
| 01:19 | i cant wean myself off its handy shortcut keys! | |
| 01:19 | rangi | vimperator |
| 01:19 | if you want short cuts :) | |
| 01:20 | http://www.vimperator.org/vimperator | |
| 01:20 | eythian | or pentadactyl, which is just a fork of vimperator, but apparently more developed. |
| 01:20 | also has a cooler name, imho. | |
| 01:20 | mtj | lol, i'm not sure i want *vim* shortcuts for my browser :p |
| 01:20 | jcamins | Woohoo! <300MB. |
| 01:21 | eythian | why? Then there's less mental shift between work and browser. |
| 01:21 | cjh | iirc most of the lead vimperator devs now work on pentadactyl. |
| 01:21 | mtj | tho, i guess you can set your shortcuts to anything, with vimperator? |
| 01:21 | cjh | and yes, much cooler name xD |
| 01:21 | rangi | mtj: yup |
| 01:21 | mtj | anyhoo, thanks ill def. take a look |
| 01:22 | all i want are one-finger shortcuts for tab-left / tab-right :) | |
| 01:23 | eythian | you could definitely make those |
| 01:24 | mtj | awesome |
| 01:24 | mtompset | Hmmm... would all the pieces of C4::Context, if it were hypothetically split up (like in 7176), make it into the Koha name space? |
| 01:24 | mtj | the last release of opera actually removed those shortcuts, after having them for years :/ |
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| 02:16 | wizzyrea | vimperator sounds like a russian wimp destroyer. |
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| 02:48 | mtompset | greetings, #koha. |
| 02:48 | I'm playing with palemoon. | |
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| 02:52 | wizzyrea | ie-- |
| 02:58 | jcamins | I don't think I like opera. |
| 02:58 | mtompset | Why, wizzyrea? |
| 02:58 | Neither do I, jcamins. | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | because it's silly |
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| 02:59 | mtompset | Test. :) |
| 02:59 | okay... palemoon chatzilla plug in configured. :) | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | Real Time Availability Checking (RTAC) - is there a z39.50 or REST service ? Koha can do this? If you tell me then I'll know :) |
| 03:01 | we have z39.50 but is it real time? | |
| 03:01 | for availability/ | |
| 03:01 | ? | |
| 03:01 | rangi | yes |
| 03:01 | realish | |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | ~10 mins ya? |
| 03:01 | rangi | however using the ils-di for it is better |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | noted |
| 03:02 | rangi | or the other stuff in svc |
| 03:02 | i dont think we hand out item details on the public z3950 server | |
| 03:02 | jcamins | We do not. |
| 03:03 | (item details over Z39.50) | |
| 03:03 | Just onloan/not onloan. | |
| 03:03 | Same as Zebra. | |
| 03:03 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | right cool. |
| 03:04 | jcamins | But ILS-DI/svc stuff should do what you need, I think. |
| 03:04 | rangi | yep it has a GetAvailability |
| 03:04 | thingy | |
| 03:05 | mtompset | Hmmm... when I edit a title on a biblio, shouldn't that trigger a reindex for zebra? |
| 03:06 | And wouldn't that mean I should see a zebraqueue record added? | |
| 03:15 | Hmmm... | |
| 03:33 | Why if I change the 245$a subfield is my new title not searchable? | |
| 03:34 | wizzyrea | because it takes 10 minutes to index? |
| 03:34 | mtompset | 5... and it is reindexed. |
| 03:34 | bag | cause the indexer isn't running? |
| 03:34 | hmm.. bummer | |
| 03:34 | mtompset | I watched the zebraqueue table go from not done to done. |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea | for the biblionumber you edited? |
| 03:35 | mtompset | yes. |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea | dunno, wfm |
| 03:35 | bag | space issue? |
| 03:35 | mtompset | 8% disk space used. |
| 03:36 | bag | hahaha |
| 03:36 | mtompset | 780MB free. |
| 03:36 | bag | nope |
| 03:36 | mtompset | nothing in the zebra error logs either. |
| 03:37 | bag | dom or grs1? |
| 03:37 | mtompset | I think default dom with MARC21. |
| 03:38 | bag | try one more time :) |
| 03:39 | mtompset | Just did a search again. |
| 03:39 | I changed the title to "Bogus Title" | |
| 03:39 | I searched for "Bogus Title" without quotes. | |
| 03:39 | no results. | |
| 03:40 | I searched for Bogus and got results, but nothing that is the biblio I changed. | |
| 03:42 | Any other ideas, bag? | |
| 03:43 | bag | you don't happen to have it suppressed do you? |
| 03:43 | 942$n | |
| 03:48 | mtompset | Nope. |
| 03:48 | Nothing strange about the record. Just a plain, ordinary record trying to make its way in the world. ;) | |
| 03:48 | bag | how many records? you could try a full reindex see if that catches it? |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | how big is the dataset? is a full reindex impossible? |
| 03:49 | what is this I'm listening to. good heavens. | |
| 03:50 | * wizzyrea | was getting down to something called "happystep" and clearly now I have wandered into dubstep land, which is not always bad but whatever this is... yea, naw. |
| 03:51 | mtompset | A full reindex is NOT possible at this time. |
| 03:51 | I may try that later. | |
| 03:51 | eythian | http://youtu.be/PaEnaoydUUo <-- wizzyrea, try this. |
| 03:51 | mtompset | However, if the indexing pain I experienced on the QA system with 512MB is any reflection of the Live with 1GB, I rather not. |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | haha yea |
| 03:52 | how many records? | |
| 03:53 | mtompset | about 45K. |
| 03:53 | Not huge. | |
| 03:54 | wizzyrea | that'd take ~20mins I'd guess |
| 03:54 | mtompset | That is a weird video, eythian. |
| 03:55 | Strangely not. | |
| 03:55 | And it could barf around 24K. | |
| 03:55 | I blame our VM environment for that. | |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | ew. |
| 03:55 | mtompset | Thank you for triggering that other idea... |
| 03:56 | I want to test a full reindex on MY vm. | |
| 03:56 | jcamins | mtompset: you have 780MB disk space free? |
| 03:56 | And only 8% used? | |
| 03:56 | mtompset | No. 780MB of RAM. |
| 03:56 | eythian | http://youtu.be/mbyzgeee2mg <-- try this then, mtompset |
| 03:56 | mtompset | 8% free diskspace. |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 03:56 | 8% *free*? | |
| 03:56 | mtompset | No... used... |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 03:57 | mtompset | sorry, confused in switching windows. |
| 03:57 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 03:57 | Odd that it doesn't work. | |
| 03:57 | wizzyrea | what version? |
| 03:57 | wahanui | somebody said version was always noted in a comment on top |
| 03:58 | mtompset | master plus some custom patches. |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | what do the custom patches do? |
| 03:58 | mtompset | login. |
| 03:59 | dcook | dbs: Quick question for you. What inspired the idea to add RDFa to the detail pages? Was there a call for it or more so just a neat thing to do? |
| 03:59 | mtompset | plus some of the patches that haven't match it through sign off/qa yet. |
| 04:00 | 10589, 10895, 10900? I think that's them. | |
| 04:00 | And the beta 6874. | |
| 04:03 | jcamins: Speaking of hiding related patches... my colleagues have confirmed that if life/death were ever issues, they would not add the library. the libraries being added are a matter of embarrasment and potential visa loss. | |
| 04:04 | okay... full reindex on 2GB local VM no issues. | |
| 04:04 | I really do think it is our VM environment. I'll downgrade my memory size. | |
| 04:19 | And that worked in my VM. | |
| 04:19 | okay... shrinking to 512 and trying again. | |
| 04:22 | Does anyone know how to turn off swap? | |
| 04:23 | Okay... now to try with 512MB and no swap. :) | |
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| 04:24 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:25 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak. |
| 04:25 | Oak | Ahoy mtompset |
| 04:29 | mtompset | eythian: So, you are really into Ylvis now? |
| 04:29 | eythian | no, it was just relevant |
| 04:30 | mtompset | Actually, I watched a couple other videos... and wondered, "Why does he mention blue eyes in these two songs?" |
| 04:31 | (What does the fox say? and Jan Egland? (sp err?)) | |
| 04:32 | vserver-- # yes, you really suck you ancient piece of virtualization technology. | |
| 04:33 | Similar sized data set (maybe a couple months off) worked fine in my VirtualBox VM with 512MB and no swap. | |
| 04:33 | eythian | vserver eh. It's been a long while since I heard of that. |
| 04:34 | mtompset | We are moving off the provider that uses that shortly. |
| 04:34 | eythian | I think I once evaluated it against openvz, but picked openvz instead. It seemed newer and fancier. |
| 04:34 | mtompset | I'll be very happy when we do. |
| 05:08 | *sigh* | |
| 05:16 | vserver-- # you are the source of all my indexing headaches. Die, terrible virtualization technology, die! | |
| 05:36 | dbs | dcook: belated answer: main rationale was that I thought was crazy that there was no consistent way of exposing record metadata and holdings across various cataloges |
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| 05:37 | dbs | And at a time when I am normally awake, I would actually spell each word in that entence, and follow grammatical rules. (sheesh) |
| 05:38 | sentence! :) | |
| 05:38 | dcook | dbs: Makes sense, but in what case would a person be interested in getting that metadata? |
| 05:38 | hehe | |
| 05:38 | It's a bit late there, eh? | |
| 05:39 | mtompset | metadata is data... down with the distinction. ;) |
| 05:41 | dcook | .. |
| 05:48 | dbs | dcook: disintermediating OCLC, for example. simple web crawler to aggregate collections of interest rather than a byzantine record submission process |
| 05:51 | dcook | dbs: Admittedly, that's what excited me. I wrote a crawler a few months ago and I would've loved RDFa for digesting the contents of the pages |
| 05:52 | But in the case of Koha, I think OAI-PMH would probably make more sense than crawling | |
| 05:52 | Crawling would actually be quite laborious still | |
| 05:53 | Not that I'm critiquing it. I'm just relaying questions and being curious :) | |
| 05:55 | dbs | dcook: no worries. OAI-PMH is pretty library/archive-centric. sitemap + RDFa is something that general crawlers can dig |
| 05:55 | dcook | Mmm, good point |
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| 05:55 | * dbs | heads to bed on that :) |
| 05:55 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:56 | I was going to ask if Koha had a sitemap generator, but I won't keep you up ;) | |
| 05:56 | Thanks for answering my questions :) | |
| 05:56 | dbs++ | |
| 06:02 | mtompset | I think that is a good idea... it being after 2am here. |
| 06:02 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
| 06:07 | dcook | Hehe. I love this: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" |
| 06:35 | * dcook | wishes that he had set a timer for this package install of Koha... |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | * dcook | waves |
| 06:41 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:42 | * eythian | leaves |
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| 06:42 | * magnuse | thinks eythian is welcome to stay, if he would like to |
| 06:43 | marcelr | hi #Koha |
| 06:43 | magnuse | hiya marcelr |
| 06:43 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
| 06:43 | magnuse | dcook: no sitemap generator that i am aware of, but having one would be cool! |
| 06:48 | dcook | hey marcelr |
| 06:48 | marcelr | hi dcook |
| 06:48 | dcook | magnuse: Agreed. I suppose it wouldn't be too hard if we were just pointing to bib records |
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| 06:51 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:51 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
| 06:51 | magnuse | dcook: that sounds like it should not be too hard, and there are probably perl modules for doing the heavy lifting |
| 06:53 | dcook | gitify? |
| 06:53 | wahanui | i heard gitify was at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 06:53 | dcook | magnuse: You're probably right. |
| 06:59 | Huh... | |
| 06:59 | I thought I cancelled out of the updatedatabase by accident...but it seems that it might've run anyway.. | |
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| 07:08 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:08 | wahanui | que tal, gaetan_B |
| 07:08 | dcook | hmm ran koha-upgrade-schema just in case.. |
| 07:36 | magnuse | yay for Bug 10986 |
| 07:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Limit the list of languages in advanced search through system preferences |
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| 08:12 | marcelr | @later tell oleonard could you have a look at the design for forcenotesreason in the new opac-reserves form? see also bug 9743 |
| 08:12 | huginn | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:37 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 08:37 | magnuse | hiya samueld |
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| 09:09 | cait | hi #koha |
| 09:10 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
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| 09:35 | magnuse | kia ora JDatTeTakere! |
| 09:40 | cait | hi JDatTeTakere |
| 09:41 | you are here at odd times :) | |
| 09:41 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 09:41 | cait | hi marcelr |
| 09:41 | some more hours still until the deadline ... :) | |
| 09:41 | marcelr | ;) |
| 09:44 | cait | well for new and enh that is |
| 09:44 | * cait | tests bug 9044 |
| 09:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions |
| 09:48 | cait | hm can someone help me to find my version of yaz? |
| 09:48 | Colin asked at bug 10729 | |
| 09:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Failed QA , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade |
| 09:58 | magnuse | cait: you can do "yaz-client", then "zversion" - that gives you... something. but i'm not sure if every yaz-* tool has it's own version or if the version you get then is the "yaz version" |
| 10:02 | cait | i will try that - thank you |
| 10:08 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 10:08 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (12:00 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:09 | cait | hm not the ideal weather for a holiday |
| 10:09 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 10:09 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:09 | magnuse | cait: ideal for housework and qa? :-) |
| 10:09 | cait | heh |
| 10:09 | yeah maybe, but i had intended to go outside too | |
| 10:09 | and for a nice walk some sun would be good :) | |
| 10:09 | magnuse | sounds like a good plan! |
| 10:21 | * marcelr | looks for someone willing to test bug 9788; the last two patches need a signoff still |
| 10:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9788 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Improvements for calling GetReservesFromItemnumber |
| 10:22 | cait | Joubu: around? |
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| 10:32 | kivilahtio | Hi Koha! The "Manual invoice" types are hard coded? |
| 10:33 | cait | authorised values |
| 10:33 | kivilahtio | or part of them, wow |
| 10:33 | cait | yes, a part of them are, those are set by the system with the specific codes, but you can also set your own |
| 10:33 | kivilahtio | cait: In authorized values MANUAL_INV, there is but one entry, but when adding a manual invoice, I get meny to choose from |
| 10:33 | cait: Is there a bug to move them all to authorized values? | |
| 10:33 | cait | no. |
| 10:34 | kivilahtio | cait: Well shouldn't they be moved? It is rather distracting |
| 10:34 | cait | the manual invoices listed there are used by Koha itself |
| 10:34 | kivilahtio | cait: Not critical, but nice to not have |
| 10:34 | cait | with specific codes |
| 10:34 | that's why they are there, you can also set them manually | |
| 10:34 | kivilahtio | ok, they are distinguished using the $notify_id |
| 10:34 | cait | you can ignore the notify_id |
| 10:34 | it's not used | |
| 10:35 | to my knowledge that belongs to older code | |
| 10:35 | the pull down has the types koha already knows, and you can add to them using manual_inv | |
| 10:35 | i think it's ok that way, it also means that the basic codes are translatable | |
| 10:36 | kivilahtio | cait: Ok. So If I want to migrate our old "Due date notification message fine"s to Koha, should I use a system generated value, or invent my own? |
| 10:36 | I mean do these system generated manual invoices generate somekind of messagees or emails? | |
| 10:36 | cait | I would create my own i think - are those overdues? |
| 10:36 | kivilahtio: they don't | |
| 10:36 | kivilahtio | I think overdues are generated in Koha when the item is returned, but these are reminder fees |
| 10:37 | cait | hm not entirely true |
| 10:37 | the fine on return is a rather new feature for hourly loans, there is an overdues script that can be run nightly that calculates thefines on the accounts | |
| 10:37 | kivilahtio | cait: I mean we need to migrate the fee for sending a letter (snail mail) to our patrons for their overdue notices |
| 10:37 | cait | hm koha can't charge postage fees currently |
| 10:38 | you'd have to include it into your overdue fee | |
| 10:38 | kivilahtio | cait: and some other misc fees. It is easy to add the postal feel charging. |
| 10:38 | cait: I can program it. | |
| 10:38 | cait: We are going live in 6 months, I think I can pull that off :) | |
| 10:38 | cait | just be careful |
| 10:38 | if you change too much, it will be hard to upgrade later | |
| 10:38 | many have run into this problem | |
| 10:38 | and many more will i think | |
| 10:39 | kivilahtio | cait: well I was thinking of pushing that change to master? |
| 10:39 | cait: I am pretty sure many people would like to have that option | |
| 10:39 | cait | that's good :) but there is never a guarantee about the version it will make it in |
| 10:39 | we do it too, but we don#t change a lot | |
| 10:40 | kivilahtio | cait: well we need some general improvements to Koha, and I will create patches and bugs for thos per the Koha community developer instructions. Trying to make everything optional. I just hope they get included in the master |
| 10:41 | cait | sounds good |
| 10:41 | kivilahtio | cait: happy to hear that :) |
| 10:41 | cait | just make sure you calculate in some time for working with the testers and qa - most patches take more time in the end than one thought in the beginning |
| 10:41 | because of rebases and taking comments into account and such | |
| 10:41 | kivilahtio | cait: I am pretty afraid of that |
| 10:42 | cait | if the patches are well tested and well writen you won't have to |
| 10:42 | :) | |
| 10:42 | kivilahtio | cait: understood, so make extra high quality code and unit tests |
| 10:43 | cait | that never hurts :) |
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| 10:43 | cait | hi bgkriegel :) |
| 10:44 | bgkriegel | hi cait :) |
| 10:46 | cait | bgkriegel: could you take a look at one of the bugs that got a qa follow up maybe? |
| 10:46 | bgkriegel | yes of course. Which one? |
| 10:47 | cait | looking for it sec |
| 10:47 | it's the cron for deleting patrons | |
| 10:48 | bgkriegel | ok :) |
| 10:48 | cait | marcelr: do you know if 5573 is fixed now? i thought it was |
| 10:48 | marcelr | bug 5573 |
| 10:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5573 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , delete lists when patron deleted |
| 10:48 | cait | bug 10419 i think |
| 10:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons |
| 10:49 | cait | yep that's the one |
| 10:49 | i guess we have some duplicates to clean up later | |
| 10:49 | marcelr | that should be fixed |
| 10:49 | cait | lots of similar bugs |
| 10:49 | marcelr: i thought so too - would you be ok with closing it? | |
| 10:49 | marcelr | yes |
| 10:50 | cait | done |
| 10:50 | thx | |
| 10:51 | guess it's time again to go through some of the old enhancements again before release | |
| 10:51 | but not today :) | |
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| 11:08 | cait | hi nengard |
| 11:08 | nengard | hi |
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| 11:42 | khall | @later tell gmcharlt can you weigh in on bug 8352? Thanks! |
| 11:42 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:39 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:43 | Oak | hi oleonard |
| 12:44 | tcohen | morning oleonard |
| 12:53 | cait | hi oleonard |
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| 13:03 | Pablo | Hi all! |
| 13:03 | wahanui | yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. |
| 13:04 | jcamins | wahanui: forget "Hi all!" |
| 13:04 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all!" |
| 13:04 | jcamins | wahanui: forget "Hi all" |
| 13:04 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching "hi all" |
| 13:04 | jcamins | Okay, not sure where that response came from, then. |
| 13:04 | Hello. | |
| 13:05 | cait | hi Pablo - that was only the our bot wahanui |
| 13:06 | Pablo | I have a question about link_bibs_to_authorities.pl. Galen Charlton suggest a solution to authority duplication. I made a change on the script that "should" solve the problem, I wonder why not... |
| 13:06 | (Ref: Galton email http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]-June/036561.html ) | |
| 13:07 | I add system("/usr/bin/perl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z"); just after while ( my ($biblionumber) = $sth->fetchrow_array() ) { | |
| 13:07 | cait | oh |
| 13:07 | I am not sure I can help with htat | |
| 13:07 | you might want to try to catch jcamins or gmcharlt for that | |
| 13:07 | Pablo | around line 94. This is simply rebuild zebra before working with current record |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Pablo: you could do that. |
| 13:08 | I'm not going to tell you it seems like a good idea, but you could certainly do it. | |
| 13:10 | Pablo | Hi Jared! So you say this should work, but it seems it doesnt :( The path are correct, but I run the script and create duplicated authorities records |
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| 13:11 | jcamins | The first thing to confirm would be that they're *really* duplicate. |
| 13:12 | Also, as a reminder, link_bibs_to_authorities wasn't written to generate authorities, so the next thing I'm going to say, if they are duplicates, is "that's unfortunate, maybe you should see about writing/getting someone to write a script that generates authorities." | |
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| 13:15 | jcamins | Something that caches authids. |
| 13:20 | Pablo | jcamins: I'm not picky, I think link_bibs_to_authorities works fine, the problem is just duplicated records... I'll try to find a workaround, perhaps something like what Galton suggest in that post |
| 13:22 | (I read myself... clearly, English isn't my native language) | |
| 13:22 | * jcamins | understood. |
| 13:23 | * cait | think jcamins has quite a bit of practice figuring out us non-native speakers |
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| 13:48 | jcamins | Pablo: there's a script ot deduplicate authorities that is waiting for sign off. |
| 13:48 | Pablo: bug 7419 | |
| 13:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script |
| 13:48 | jcamins | Use the last four patches. |
| 13:49 | (if you feel like signing off) | |
| 13:51 | Pablo | Wow! Thats a great news! |
| 13:52 | * jcamins | thinks so too. :) |
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| 14:25 | cait | gmcharlt: ping? |
| 14:25 | wahanui | Using deft allegory, the authors have provided an insightful and intuitive explanation of one of Unix's most venerable networking utilities. http://www.amazon.com/Story-ab[…]oks/dp/0448421658 |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt | cait: pong |
| 14:31 | cait | oh hi there :) |
| 14:31 | working on some last minute qa here - how long? timezones hate me :) | |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | let's call it 23:59 in my timzone; i.e., another 16.5 hours from now |
| 14:33 | cait | wow |
| 14:33 | that's quite some time | |
| 14:33 | gaetan_B3 | bye ! |
| 14:33 | * gmcharlt | hands cait some nodoze |
| 14:33 | cait | bye gaetan_B3 :) |
| 14:34 | * cait | looks at it with a puzzled expression |
| 14:34 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt: what is it? | |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | cait: oh, a caffeine pill |
| 14:36 | cait | aah |
| 14:36 | i am already doping with chocolate cappuccino right now :) | |
| 14:58 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4c0f43e054b8940fd> |
| 15:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #128 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:31 | oleonard | A new CC added to Bug 118? Exciting. |
| 15:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=118 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, searching |
| 15:34 | tcohen | "authorities.pl: ZOOM error 10004 "Connection lost" (addinfo: "unix:/var/run/koha/ffyh/bibliosocket") from diag-set 'ZOOM'" |
| 15:36 | jcamins | tcohen: restart Zebra? |
| 15:37 | tcohen | sigh |
| 15:37 | is not zebra | |
| 15:38 | the dontmerge syspref triggers this... | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Odd. I tried DontMerge before releasing 3.12 and it worked. |
| 15:39 | Well- worked as well as DontMerge has ever worked for me, which is not well at all. | |
| 15:40 | tcohen | uff, in production is working |
| 15:44 | i can't reproduce in production | |
| 15:44 | it happens in my demo server only | |
| 15:52 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #128: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/128/ |
| 15:52 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 10927: remove disused C4::Utils module | |
| 15:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10927 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , C4::Utils becomes useless |
| 16:04 | cait | bug 10419 passed! |
| 16:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons |
| 16:08 | tcohen | loc backup? |
| 16:09 | cait | looking for the marc documentation? |
| 16:09 | tcohen | yeap |
| 16:09 | cait | and hi tcohen :) |
| 16:09 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 16:09 | cait | i think someon posted the link yesterday, but I am not sure where it was |
| 16:09 | tcohen | exactly |
| 16:10 | jcamins | loc backup is http://stuff.coffeecode.net/www.loc.gov/marc/ |
| 16:11 | tcohen | thanks jcamins |
| 16:13 | cait | can i interest someone in signing off on 10402? |
| 16:14 | i had failed it ... now i feel slightly guilty? :) | |
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| 16:27 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:51 | cait | khall++ # bug 9611 |
| 16:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Passed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 16:52 | cait | that was a big one :) |
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| 16:57 | tcohen | bug 10402 |
| 16:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10402 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add multiple contacts for vendors |
| 17:05 | tcohen | jcamins? |
| 17:05 | wahanui | ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. |
| 17:05 | tcohen | jcamins: what are serials? |
| 17:05 | wahanui | serials are just awful all the time, and their MARC records reflected several decades worth of changing standards. |
| 17:06 | oleonard | acquisitions? |
| 17:06 | wahanui | i guess acquisitions is complicated because booksellers all make their own rules :) |
| 17:10 | wheat | Need acq plugins--a plugin for each vendor, and only install the plugins needed |
| 17:11 | oleonard | Words which can be safely spoken by a grain but not a fruit. |
| 17:15 | rambutan | hey, that was pretty good. |
| 17:16 | oleonard | cait++ # QA machine |
| 17:17 | ebegin | khall, any plan for working on Bug 5620 soon ? We did part of it on our side, the only thing that is missing is the receipt number. |
| 17:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5620 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , Capture Mode of payment |
| 17:18 | khall | ebegin: I'm working on a an accounts rewrite that should take care of that |
| 17:18 | ebegin | ok, when will it be available ? |
| 17:19 | I'll add my comment in the bug then | |
| 17:19 | khall | I'm still working on the module and unit tests. I'd like to get it posted asap, but it'll be a while still. |
| 17:20 | ebegin | A quick comment : the way we did it was to use a PAYMODE authorised value to be more flexible |
| 17:22 | cait | oleonard: to be honest the machine is making dinner right now - giving kyle some time to fix a warning :P |
| 17:24 | hm someone a hint what tool i can use to modify marc records exported from koha? | |
| 17:24 | i need to remove the itemnumber for testing purposes - so i can't do it in Koha | |
| 17:24 | nengard | marcedit |
| 17:24 | wahanui | marcedit is a tool for editing MARC records. It can also convert spreadsheets to MARC. See http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]it/html/index.php |
| 17:24 | cait | and no windos... so no marcedit |
| 17:24 | nengard | oh |
| 17:24 | oleonard | D'oh! |
| 17:24 | cait | no windows, else i would be using tht :) |
| 17:25 | ebegin | khall, is there a bz covering that rewrite ? |
| 17:25 | khall | no, but there's an rfc on the wiki somewhere |
| 17:26 | ebegin | ok, I'll look at it. Thanks |
| 17:27 | khall | I think the rfc is a bit out of date at this point. I had to change the schema a bit. There was no way to have separate fines and fees tables. In retrospect it wasn't a great idea anyway. I simple flag in one table accomplishes the same thing |
| 17:27 | ebegin | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_system_rewrite |
| 17:29 | khall | actually, it looks like at had already ditched that idea when I wrote the rfc |
| 17:30 | ebegin | oleonard, did you work on Bug 10937 so far ? |
| 17:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10937 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Option to hide some itemtypes from advanced search |
| 17:31 | oleonard | No, I would have set it to "assigned" if I was working on it. It is assigned to me by default because it is an OPAC bug. |
| 17:31 | ebegin | khall, specifications and RFCs are written to be rewritten :) |
| 17:31 | khall | too true : ) |
| 17:31 | ebegin | oleonard, oh, sorry, I saw that it was assigned to you without checking the status. |
| 17:32 | tcohen | @later tell jcamins i went through a series of tests and belive the test plan is wrong, and the script is working :-D |
| 17:32 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:35 | cait | ebegin: i think that was one from my wishlist - i hope to find time sometime for that, but it's quite unlikely to be soon at the moment and so i would not be sad if someone else did at all :) |
| 17:36 | ok, quiz question - who knows what holiday it is today in germany? :) | |
| 17:38 | oleonard | Not me! |
| 17:39 | ebegin | cait, we are in the process of merging in the master |
| 17:40 | cait | Tag der deutschen einheit |
| 17:40 | German Unification Day | |
| 17:41 | :) | |
| 17:41 | * oleonard | cheers for a united Germany |
| 17:41 | cait | :) |
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| 17:51 | cait1 | *sigh* |
| 17:51 | computer decided to restart | |
| 17:51 | of course without saving my notes first :( | |
| 17:51 | *grump* | |
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| 17:59 | jcamins | @later tell tcohen Of course, I'm sorry. You are absolutely right, there's no need to choose a record when there's no choice. |
| 17:59 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:20 | mmm45 | hello |
| 18:21 | oleonard | Hi mmm45 |
| 18:22 | mmm45 | my boss asked me to create a script that looks at manual charges that are created through the staff client by a person. I am not a programmer. I really need some assistance how i could do this. |
| 18:22 | oleonard | manual changes? |
| 18:22 | mmm45 | in the schema, is there something close to this manual charge? |
| 18:23 | oleonard | Oh charges. |
| 18:23 | mmm45 | I think she is referring to charges added by the staff? |
| 18:23 | charges | |
| 18:23 | so sorry | |
| 18:23 | magnuse | mmm45: what do you mean by "looks at"? |
| 18:24 | maybe you could just write a report? | |
| 18:24 | mmm45 | well, she said that in the past when the bill notice script was running it wouldn't send the notices to anyone who had a manual charge for ILL (interlibrary loans) |
| 18:25 | i'm not sure i understand what she is asking | |
| 18:29 | oleonard | mmm45: It looks to me like charges entered using the "Create manual invoice" link are added to the database with 'M' as the accounttype |
| 18:29 | ...so you could do an SQL report based on that | |
| 18:29 | sql library? | |
| 18:29 | * oleonard | shrugs |
| 18:30 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 18:30 | mmm45 | i will check that out. Thank you!!!! |
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| 18:40 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:41 | So close! I need to distinguish between a plugin icon click and the submit button click from the popup window. | |
| 18:42 | oleonard | $("#selector").on("click",function(){ }); |
| 18:43 | $("#form").on("submit",function(){ }); | |
| 18:48 | mtompset | I passed a from_pop parameter. |
| 18:50 | So within the popup that parameter is defined, so I can know. :) | |
| 18:59 | Okay... "Upload File". What's the translate-able way to set that string value for the button text? | |
| 19:01 | oleonard | Besides a button that says "Upload file?" |
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| 19:22 | wizzyrea | report library? |
| 19:22 | wahanui | report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:25 | oleonard | :P |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Interesting. |
| 19:31 | wahanui | interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Why does that point to a page listed as "obsolete"? |
| 19:32 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:32 | mtompset | so oleonard '<input ... value="Upload file">' will translate? |
| 19:32 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, but I'm wondering why wahanui was taught the obsolete one. |
| 19:32 | cait | khall: it doesn't work for me :( |
| 19:33 | oleonard | I know he knows the correct one...at least I thought he did |
| 19:33 | mtompset: Yes | |
| 19:33 | rangi | reports? |
| 19:33 | wahanui | reports are done by each library, and you can configure it |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | forget report library |
| 19:33 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot report library |
| 19:33 | cait | ah sec, i have an idea |
| 19:33 | rangi | sql reports? |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | report library is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:33 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:33 | rangi | morning |
| 19:34 | cait | ah no.. that wasn't it |
| 19:34 | reports library? | |
| 19:34 | wahanui | reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:34 | cait | s :) |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | sql report library is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:35 | reports is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library | |
| 19:35 | oleonard | sql whatcha-ma-jigger is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | user created reports is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:36 | bad grammar. | |
| 19:36 | bad grammar is <reply> "Is our children learning?" | |
| 19:37 | oleonard | hot adult sql action is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | *snicker* |
| 19:37 | cait | lol |
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| 19:42 | mtompset | hot adult sql action?! |
| 19:42 | wahanui | i think hot adult sql action is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 19:43 | mtompset | I see. It is funnier from wahanui's mouth. |
| 19:43 | * cait | forgot to start zebra server *sigh* |
| 19:44 | mtompset | sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults? |
| 19:51 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:51 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.1°C (9:50 PM CEST on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:51 | cait | brr. |
| 19:51 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 19:51 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 23.5°C (3:51 PM EDT on October 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:52 | jcamins | You can have some of our heat. |
| 19:52 | It's actually still reasonably nice, but if it were cooler I could bake. | |
| 19:53 | oleonard | Hey everyone, why not install the qa tools and run the tests yourself? |
| 19:53 | cait | ok, i will take. 4, that ok? |
| 19:53 | oleonard: very good question :) it would save some sending back of patches... | |
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| 19:54 | rangi | or better |
| 19:54 | run all the tests | |
| 19:54 | since the qa tools still miss lots | |
| 19:55 | but they are better than nothing | |
| 19:55 | * cait | think run all the tests and the qa script |
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| 20:35 | rambutan | http://www.wired.com/wiredente[…]012/08/bundestag/ |
| 20:37 | jcamins | rambutan: why do that when you can just shut down the government and render laws moot? |
| 20:38 | rambutan | Don't ask me hard questions. :) |
| 20:50 | Dyrcona | Heh. "Good luck with that!" |
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| 21:29 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 21:29 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:29 | rangi | @noaa nzwn |
| 21:29 | huginn | rangi: I suck |
| 21:29 | rangi | @weather nzwn |
| 21:29 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on October 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:31 | eythian | hi |
| 21:31 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
| 21:31 | rangi | tcohen++ |
| 21:39 | cait | morning eythian |
| 21:39 | eythian | hi |
| 21:48 | cait | good night all :) |
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| 22:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ca0a9719a9a9bd1cc> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]634007d1986e99f51> / Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 22:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #129 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 22:58 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #129: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/129/ |
| 22:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: new cronjob for deleting patrons | |
| 22:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (followup) - tidy up cronjob for deleting patrons | |
| 22:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) add branchcode parameter to patron deletion script | |
| 22:58 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 10419: (followup) fix license statement | |
| 22:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons |
| 22:58 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) tidy names of command-line switches |
| 22:58 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10419: (follow-up) functional improvements | |
| 22:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) fix hardcoded records and pod | |
| 22:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10419: (follow-up) patrons with fines should not be deleted | |
| 22:58 | * Galen Charlton: bug 10419: (follow-up) improvements to the usage text | |
| 23:15 | mtompset | shoot my memory is shot, how do I list the commit ids of the last 8 commits? |
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| 23:16 | bgkriegel | git log --oneline | head -8 ? |
| 23:17 | mtompset | --oneline ... that's the one. |
| 23:19 | gmcharlt | http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2013/13-A07.html |
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| 23:26 | dcook | Former cataloguing prof beat you to it :p but certainly a good thing to know |
| 23:26 | Interesting how the LoC vs OCLC stuff is coming up | |
| 23:33 | rangi | i suspect thats why it's back |
| 23:33 | dcook | Good call. |
| 23:35 | mtompset | okay, I'm still pretty new to sign offs. Could someone check to see if I did bug 6874 correctly? Seeing as one set of the patches are mine, I didn't sign mine off, but everything else is, right? |
| 23:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 23:36 | dcook | Wow, now my old school is saying they're only replacing 12 of 18 computers because they want to free up space for students to BYOD |
| 23:36 | In other words, they're cheap. | |
| 23:36 | mtompset | BYOD? |
| 23:36 | dcook | bring your own device |
| 23:36 | rangi | aka widen the gap |
| 23:36 | dcook | Yarp |
| 23:36 | I think they're also cutting back tech support | |
| 23:36 | Because future librarians are so well prepared for technology already | |
| 23:37 | rangi | heh |
| 23:37 | mtompset | bring your own device?! But I thought *public* school was to give *everyone* (regardless of financial status) the *same* education. |
| 23:37 | rangi | that went out in the 1800's |
| 23:38 | dcook | My other old school is also rationalizing spending 1 million dollars on a new sign saying the university's name |
| 23:38 | ...it's the only university in the city...and it's the university of that city | |
| 23:38 | rangi | heh |
| 23:38 | dcook | Meanwhile, they're cutting staff and classes |
| 23:38 | mtompset | 1 million dollars on a sign?! |
| 23:38 | dcook | But complaining about low recruitment and retention |
| 23:38 | * dcook | flails |
| 23:39 | mtompset | maybe a couple hundred thousand, but 1 million?! |
| 23:39 | * dcook | looks at the US government, then back at university administration, then back at US government, then back at university administration |
| 23:40 | mtompset | Goodness... give the sign creation as a project to some engineering students and art students. |
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| 23:59 | Guest1248 | Hmm |
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