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| 00:43 | tcohen joined #koha | |
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| 01:43 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:45 | Is there a way to get a browser window to want to stay on top? | |
| 01:45 | larger main window pops up a smaller browser window. Force the smaller one to stay visible and focused while open? | |
| 01:46 | jcamins | No. |
| 01:47 | Web browsers have adapted to prevent that sort of disgusting behavior. | |
| 01:58 | mtompset | Okay... then if if the smaller one is popped up... |
| 01:59 | and the larger main window has the user click the button which caused the smaller popup window to appear, is there a way to refocus to the smaller window? | |
| 01:59 | Because without the refocus, the smaller window might not be visible, and the user might think the link is busted. | |
| 02:00 | jcamins | That should be the default behavior, I think. |
| 02:01 | mtompset | It isn't when I'm testing bug 6874. |
| 02:01 | jcamins | Take a look at how cataloging plugins do it. |
| 02:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 02:01 | mtompset | I'm using firefox, and the smaller window that popped up stays behind. |
| 02:02 | jcamins | Huh. I wonder why. |
| 02:03 | mtompset | just tried it with IE. Same lack of refocus. |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Sounds like it has failed QA for several reasons then. |
| 02:04 | mtompset | it is failing... hasn't failed yet. |
| 02:04 | Hasn't even been signed off yet. | |
| 02:04 | I'm not signing off until I'm happy with it. | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Right, that's my point. |
| 02:04 | It has failed because you can't sign off. | |
| 02:04 | If these issues aren't fixed, you can't sign off. | |
| 02:05 | mtompset | I *can* sign off. I *won't* sign off. :) |
| 02:05 | Slight difference. :) | |
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| 02:21 | mtompset | Woo hoo! Found a simple fix for that. :) |
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| 02:28 | mtompset | I think I need to let my brain relax. Testing drains me. |
| 02:29 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. | |
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| 03:51 | rangi | bwahaha |
| 03:52 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]3-09-27#i_1393167 | |
| 03:52 | im guessing he hasnt actaully seen much java in the wild | |
| 03:52 | jcamins | lol |
| 03:52 | Clearly not. | |
| 03:53 | rangi | also signing off on somethign that you know doesnt work, is irresponsible |
| 03:53 | * rangi | catches up on scrollback |
| 03:54 | cjh | hahahaha that java question is awesome. |
| 03:54 | jcamins | cjh: I'm not sure, but I think the fact that there is a jkoha which has hundreds or thousands of lines of code and presumably doesn't do anything might be more awesome. |
| 03:55 | rangi | im not sure it actually has any code? |
| 03:56 | probably still writing specs | |
| 03:56 | cjh | the biggest problem modern koha faces: not being written in java? |
| 03:57 | rangi | oh i lie there is some stuff |
| 03:57 | http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.n[…]ewvc/jkoha/jkoha/ | |
| 03:57 | cjh | jcamins: wow, I didnt know jkoha was a thing |
| 03:57 | http://jkoha.sourceforge.net/ | |
| 03:57 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, looked like tons of code. Just no code that does anything. |
| 03:58 | Not that I looked closely. | |
| 03:58 | * Dyrcona | wrote the software to migrate his consortium from SirsiDynix Horizon to Evergreen in Java. |
| 03:58 | rangi | it looks like someone has run the maven set up stuff |
| 03:58 | and not a lot else | |
| 03:58 | jcamins | Dyrcona: so it was exceptionally well-architected? |
| 03:58 | rangi: right, hundreds or thousands of lines. :P | |
| 03:58 | rangi | :) |
| 03:58 | Dyrcona | jcamins: I overarchitect everything, even in Perl. |
| 03:58 | jcamins | Dyrcona: but it was easier in Java? |
| 03:59 | rangi | avanti started before Koha |
| 03:59 | Dyrcona | Meh. It's about the same as Perl when you really understand both language.s |
| 03:59 | jcamins | Dyrcona: yeah, I'm just joking. |
| 03:59 | rangi: what's avanti? | |
| 03:59 | Oh. | |
| 03:59 | rangi | was going to be an opensource ILS, written in java |
| 04:00 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 04:00 | rangi | they bailed, and just did an opac |
| 04:00 | Dyrcona | Here's the public repo if you're interested: http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=ja[…]2eg.git;a=summary |
| 04:00 | rangi | http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/microlcs.html |
| 04:00 | jcamins | they just released version 0.3.1. |
| 04:00 | rangi | ahh thats of their new thing nova |
| 04:00 | but yeah | |
| 04:01 | september 99 to jan 5 2000 | |
| 04:01 | versus 11 years :-) | |
| 04:01 | Dyrcona | heh. |
| 04:02 | rangi | i wonder what nova does |
| 04:02 | jcamins | You know, every so often I think "I'd like to use Java for {X thing that is available in Java}." Then I start trying to use it, and discover that A) it needs to download 1GB of JAR files, and B) it won't run on Mac or CentOS. |
| 04:02 | rangi | http://www.avantilibrarysystems.com/nova/ |
| 04:02 | looks like a noSQL db | |
| 04:03 | i dont id ever wake up and say, you know what, ill try to write a db engine | |
| 04:03 | jeff | kuali is pretty much java, as i understand it. |
| 04:03 | huh. kuali ole might be the only ils to start with Acquisitions first. | |
| 04:03 | jcamins | jeff: and, uhhh, they're totally getting close to finishing the library system. |
| 04:03 | Yeah. | |
| 04:03 | That's right. | |
| 04:03 | wahanui | I know. |
| 04:03 | rangi | i just wish they had split the money between koha and evergreen |
| 04:03 | jcamins | Totally about to be usable. |
| 04:04 | rangi | imagine how much further along we could be with a few million each to spend on plumbing |
| 04:04 | jcamins | rangi: actually, I think Nova is what happens when you write Biblionarrator in Java. |
| 04:04 | rangi | jcamins: ahhh |
| 04:05 | https://www.kuali.org/join/contribute | |
| 04:05 | * Dyrcona | bites his tongue about Evergreen's plumbing. |
| 04:05 | rangi | nothing 1.2 million couldnt fix Dyrcona :) |
| 04:06 | jeff | hrm. online demo claims you can circ items, but i don't see how. |
| 04:06 | * Dyrcona | feigns innocence. |
| 04:06 | jcamins | Dyrcona: $1.2m would pretty much solve any problems you can think of, I think. |
| 04:06 | If applied judiciously. | |
| 04:06 | Hey, I bet the code is on Github, since Github is the new cool thing. | |
| 04:06 | Dyrcona | rangi: I say we go to bid for the New Zealand Inland Revenue contracts. They estimated that at how many billion, again? |
| 04:07 | rangi | 7 or so |
| 04:07 | something stupid | |
| 04:07 | most of it will go to oracle | |
| 04:07 | Dyrcona | Taxes have to be easier than an ILS... We're basically reimplementing SAP for Libraries. |
| 04:07 | * Dyrcona | spits at the mention of the company that must not be named. |
| 04:07 | jcamins | Oh, look. No. The QA testing tools are on Github, the actual system is not really amenable to pull requests or patch submissions, or anything like that. |
| 04:08 | rangi | hmm kuali hits my pet peeve, ive been clicking round for a while and i cant find licenses |
| 04:08 | im 99% they made their own one | |
| 04:08 | jeff | i do wonder about the 138 newlines preceding the DOCTYPE in the ole demo portal's html |
| 04:08 | rangi | cos why not just reinvent everything |
| 04:08 | jcamins | No way I'm taking that bet. |
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| 04:08 | jcamins | Whoah. |
| 04:09 | Did you notice that the source code for OLE is entirely closed? | |
| 04:09 | rangi | yeah |
| 04:09 | jcamins | I missed that before. |
| 04:09 | I thought they were just obnoxious. | |
| 04:09 | rangi | community source or something |
| 04:09 | thats why i talk of koha as free software | |
| 04:09 | people like liblime and kuali pollute open source | |
| 04:09 | jeff | rangi: http://opensource.org/licenses/ecl2.php |
| 04:09 | Dyrcona | True dat! |
| 04:10 | jeff | "The Educational Community License version 2.0 ("ECL") consists of the Apache 2.0 license, modified to change the scope of the patent grant in section 3 to be specific to the needs of the education communities using this license. " |
| 04:10 | jcamins | jeff: where did you find the license? |
| 04:10 | rangi | jeff: thanks |
| 04:10 | jcamins | Ah-ha! https://www.kuali.org/software/license |
| 04:10 | Dyrcona | jeff is here! I have to stop trash talking Evergreen. |
| 04:10 | ;) | |
| 04:11 | jeff | http://www.kuali.org/download mentioned the ECL 2.0 license in the sidebar, rather close to where they say "you can't see the OLE source yet" |
| 04:11 | jcamins | jeff: I was so appalled I didn't finish reading that page. |
| 04:11 | jeff | Q1 2014 seems to be when they plan to release SIP *and* SIP2 support. |
| 04:12 | Dyrcona | SIP and SIP2... Wow! |
| 04:12 | jcamins | jeff: now if only they were planning on releasing a working system. |
| 04:12 | rangi | Dyrcona and I will beat them easily then and have NCIP in production :) |
| 04:12 | jcamins | I'm working on a release of Biblionarrator. |
| 04:12 | Dyrcona | yeah. I need to start working on my end of NCIP. |
| 04:12 | jcamins: What is biblionarrator, again? | |
| 04:12 | jcamins | I came up with the idea of having Biblionarrator several years after they announced that Kuali OLE was going to replace the ILS. |
| 04:13 | Dyrcona: discovery layer/cataloguing system. | |
| 04:13 | jeff | OLE plans to have NCIP first, Q4 2013 |
| 04:13 | doing NCIP before SIP (and saying both SIP and SIP2) seems odd. | |
| 04:13 | Dyrcona | Ah, right. I know you showed it to me before. |
| 04:13 | jeff | but probably not the most odd thing. |
| 04:13 | jcamins | It's changed a bit since then. |
| 04:13 | Dyrcona | SIP3, ftw! |
| 04:13 | jeff | SIP3++ |
| 04:14 | utf-8 and no error detection, for one. | |
| 04:14 | well, two. | |
| 04:14 | rangi | jeff: i bet we'll still beat them |
| 04:14 | Dyrcona | 3M doesn't even get their checksums right. |
| 04:15 | Their docs say "hexadecimal digits," but their self checks send a blank if the zero would be the first digit. | |
| 04:15 | jeff | mad that i didn't make an effort to get support for optional patron PINs in SIP3 |
| 04:15 | that would have been useful, imo. | |
| 04:15 | rangi | Dyrcona: did you know you can crash their self checks |
| 04:15 | if you send them an invalid date | |
| 04:15 | jcamins | jeff: don't worry. 3M wouldn't have implemented it anyway. |
| 04:15 | Dyrcona | I'm sure you could crash anything. |
| 04:15 | rangi | they simply reboot |
| 04:16 | jcamins | Dyrcona: ask how we know. ;) |
| 04:16 | rangi | yeah but not quite that easily :) |
| 04:16 | Dyrcona | You did it? |
| 04:16 | rangi | yep |
| 04:16 | * jcamins | didn't. |
| 04:16 | rangi | 8 in one go |
| 04:16 | not intentionally | |
| 04:16 | * jcamins | would've done it intentionally. |
| 04:17 | rangi | took a while to figure out what the hell was going on, cos you dont get any warning they just reboot |
| 04:17 | so we were looking at power supplies | |
| 04:17 | jcamins | After business hours, use it as a strobe for dance parties. |
| 04:17 | rangi | heh |
| 04:17 | Dyrcona | ha. |
| 04:17 | * Dyrcona | should probably be in bed. |
| 04:18 | * jcamins | too. |
| 04:18 | Oak | leave your laptops where they are |
| 04:18 | jeff | jcamins: nah, we use our access points and security gates for that. ;-) |
| 04:19 | (both have multi-color network addressable LEDs) | |
| 04:19 | we joke about "party mode" being a line item on future RFPs | |
| 04:20 | jcamins | jeff: I feel like you'd have a lot of trouble keeping people from actually trying that at least once. |
| 04:20 | rangi | heh |
| 04:21 | Dyrcona | So, biblionarrator isn't based on Koha? |
| 04:21 | jcamins | Dyrcona: nope. |
| 04:21 | Dyrcona | Last time, I thought it was. |
| 04:22 | * jeff | kills CGI::XMLPost in favor of CGI.pm |
| 04:22 | jcamins | Nope, but my vision involves there being an interface so that you can load data from Koha easily. |
| 04:22 | jeff | better the evil you know... |
| 04:22 | jcamins | EG too. |
| 04:25 | Dyrcona | Well, I am going to bed. |
| 04:25 | Guess I'll leave the laptop on and signed in. | |
| 04:25 | jeff | Dyrcona: nite |
| 04:26 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 04:26 | wahanui | It'll all be over soon... |
| 04:27 | jeff | hrm. SIP3 (well, the copy I have) defines a PI field for Patron PIN, but no messages use that field. |
| 04:27 | just the more traditional AD field for Patron Password | |
| 04:29 | could probably still implement optional patron pin/password requirement with a little cooperation between the self check and sip server, but it's be a bit of a hack. | |
| 04:30 | look up the user without a password, and if the pin/password isn't required, set valid patron password (CQ) Y | |
| 04:31 | if the pin/password is required, return CQ N and the self check knows to prompt for credentials. | |
| 04:32 | (this could be done with SIP2 also, I think) | |
| 04:33 | context: the idea is that patrons could set a patron setting that determines if they want to check out with no pin required, or use a pin. | |
| 04:34 | you could do it all server side right now, and for those who don't have it set to require a pin/password, accept any pin/password -- but the end-user UI is pretty lame without client support. | |
| 04:36 | * jcamins | drags himself off to bed, having written a truly pitiful document that is pretending to explain the less-standard features of Biblionarrator. |
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| 08:36 | cait | morning #koha |
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| 10:28 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 10:28 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.9°C (12:25 PM CEST on September 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:34 | cait | quiet.. |
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| 12:03 | bgkriegel | Hi cait :) |
| 12:04 | cait | hi bgkriegel :) |
| 12:36 | bgkriegel: for bug 10806 - i believe you that it works - i just can't test it with my setup i think | |
| 12:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The staff benchmark script does not check authentication failure |
| 12:38 | bgkriegel | Ok :) It worked fine for me. |
| 12:39 | I was a little worried, I did some bad testing lately, so I recheck | |
| 12:46 | cait | hoping someone else from the qa team picks it up |
| 12:46 | there is also still time for sign offs... | |
| 12:46 | the final deadline is 3rd for nice new shiny things | |
| 12:47 | i am trying to get the queue down this weekend again :) maybe i will succeed this time | |
| 12:47 | bgkriegel | hehe |
| 12:47 | cait | looking at bug 10419 next |
| 12:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , There is no cronjob script for deleting patrons |
| 12:47 | bgkriegel | anything cool to sign? |
| 12:47 | cait | but first i have to go out and buy food :) |
| 12:47 | jcamins | Bug 10240! |
| 12:47 | wahanui | somebody said bug 10240 was pretty cool, if I say so myself. |
| 12:47 | cait | hmmm |
| 12:47 | jcamins | :) |
| 12:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB |
| 12:48 | cait | yep that one is pretty cool actually |
| 12:48 | and bootstrap opac testing | |
| 12:48 | bgkriegel | yep, I have that one on my list |
| 12:50 | cait | hm maybe bug 5342 |
| 12:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5342 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Serial claiming improvements |
| 12:50 | cait | it would bring the serial claiming mor ein line with orders claiming |
| 12:51 | bug 9044 | |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions |
| 12:51 | cait | oh |
| 12:52 | bug 9611 | |
| 12:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 12:52 | cait | there is lots of good stuff in there waiting |
| 12:52 | bgkriegel | :) Let's work |
| 12:53 | cait | just throwing it out htere... there is really a bunch of nice things waiting :) |
| 12:54 | ok, running to the supermarket | |
| 12:54 | will be back soon | |
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| 13:25 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:26 | Is it me, or are sign-off's addictive? You sign off one patch, and then you get told it depends on something else which still needs sign-off. I wonder when the nesting ends. :P | |
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| 13:42 | mtompset | Is anyone here familiar with setting up a dummy user in LDAP? |
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| 14:13 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
| 14:13 | I appreciate the feedback. :) | |
| 14:15 | Any idea on how to get LDAP authentication set up for Koha? | |
| 14:26 | Okay, got LDAP up and running. YAY! | |
| 14:26 | I can't replicate the problem. :( | |
| 14:26 | bgkriegel | Testing bug 10952 , as anonymous user without search history, do some searches, then pressed search history and then a big Error. Can someone confirm? |
| 14:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session |
| 14:26 | bgkriegel | http://paste.koha-community.org/232 |
| 14:27 | mtompset | YIKES. Yucky message there, bgkriegel. |
| 14:28 | bgkriegel | hi mtompset |
| 14:28 | yep, bad. But can be my install | |
| 14:28 | mtompset | Greetings, bgkriegel. :) |
| 14:28 | bgkriegel | Hi mtompset :) |
| 14:29 | mtompset | So, just OPAC, search without being logged in, and then click search history? |
| 14:29 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 14:29 | mtompset | with or without patch applied? |
| 14:29 | bgkriegel | without |
| 14:30 | mtompset | how do you get anonymous search history? |
| 14:30 | bgkriegel | on the top right... |
| 14:30 | if it's enabled | |
| 14:31 | mtompset | What sysprefs need setting? |
| 14:32 | bgkriegel | I think EnableOpacSearchHistory |
| 14:32 | mtompset | I have that, but no search history for anonymous. |
| 14:33 | cait | anonymous just means search history when not logged in |
| 14:34 | mtompset | So how do I enable search history when not logged in? |
| 14:34 | cait | with the preference bgkriegel gave you activate search history in general |
| 14:34 | then you just log out and search | |
| 14:35 | mtompset | It's not acitvating. |
| 14:36 | cait | I am not sure what you expect |
| 14:36 | mtompset | something other than "log in" in the top right. |
| 14:36 | bgkriegel | theres is nothing until you do a search |
| 14:37 | mtompset | AH! Okay... there is top right. |
| 14:38 | I do not get any errors... two general searches, the top right link appears, click it, no problems, clear history, no problem. | |
| 14:38 | bgkriegel | perfect |
| 14:39 | Then I need to reinstall ! :) | |
| 14:39 | mtompset | Sorry for the bad news? |
| 14:40 | bgkriegel | No problem, better not have another bug :) |
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| 15:26 | mtompset | Ah, there is the bug. Replicated! Woo hoo! |
| 15:26 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 15:37 | mtompset | -- this is for the 10925 bug I'm testing. |
| 15:49 | cait: Are you still around? | |
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| 17:38 | bgkriegel | cait: around? |
| 17:43 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
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| 22:50 | jcamins | bgkriegel++ |
| 22:53 | bgkriegel | jcamins++, it's your work :) |
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| 23:21 | tcohen | hmmm, 9-11 |
| 23:22 | bgkriegel | ? :) |
| 23:22 | tcohen | the kiwis win |
| 23:22 | bgkriegel | ouch! I forget |
| 23:25 | tcohen | too many mistakes... |
| 23:25 | bgkriegel | not bad result.. for now |
| 23:27 | 1rst half | |
| 23:43 | tcohen | take that nz :P |
| 23:43 | bgkriegel | hehe |
| 23:44 | tcohen | it will bite me back, i'm sure about that |
| 23:45 | bgkriegel | shhh |
| 23:46 | indeed :( |
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