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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | twirlip joined #koha | |
| 00:05 | rambutan | what sporting event is being discussed? 9-11 would seem to not be soccer, not basketball |
| 00:07 | tcohen | a tennis tie-break |
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| 04:05 | bgkriegel | bye |
| 04:25 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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| 08:25 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:30 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:56 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 09:01 | signed off 46! | |
| 09:02 | * cait | feels a little like that guy with the hill and the stone at times |
| 09:02 | cait | but i had asked for it... |
| 10:40 | native speaker around? | |
| 12:14 | bgkriegel joined #koha | |
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| 13:32 | rambutan | It's morning. |
| 13:33 | cait | goodmornign rambutan :) |
| 13:35 | jcamins helped me out already - jcamins++ | |
| 13:56 | rambutan | I thhink you and jcamins must be on #koha 24/7 |
| 13:57 | cait | I am not going to comment on this :) |
| 13:58 | rambutan | I should go check on my pancakes, brb |
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| 14:29 | rambutan | jenkins? |
| 14:29 | wahanui | somebody said jenkins was http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ |
| 14:32 | rambutan | image of jenkins reminds me of Jeeves (askjeeves) |
| 14:38 | How does the distributed build work in Jenkins? | |
| 14:39 | cait | rambutan: I think i am the wrong one to ask this :) |
| 14:39 | as far as i unddrstand it... there are different servers doing different builds and reporting back? | |
| 14:40 | rambutan | yea, but what in Jenkins actually sets this up? I'm reading the docs, but haven't found anything yet about |
| 14:40 | distribuiting the build over difference CPUs | |
| 14:41 | cait | i think one build is done by one server |
| 14:41 | another does the test suite iwth mariadb and so on | |
| 14:42 | rambutan | OK, so it's not really a distributed task manager then. |
| 14:42 | cait | not sure |
| 14:42 | rambutan | More like Boinc then |
| 14:44 | cait | to me it looks like both are very different software |
| 14:45 | rambutan | yea, but conceptually the functionality must be analogous |
| 14:45 | this is interesting - trigger builds by email | |
| 14:45 | jenkins-foo: "|/bin/wget -o /dev/null http://YOURHOST/jenkins/job/PROJECTNAME/build" | |
| 14:48 | wonder if we're using mavin | |
| 14:48 | Maven | |
| 14:48 | Ah Ha! Eureka! https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/di[…]istributed+builds | |
| 14:49 | Wonder who hosts Jenkins Master? | |
| 14:49 | cait | rangi does |
| 14:50 | rambutan | ah |
| 14:50 | appears quite simple to add/manage slaves | |
| 14:52 | of course, jenkins is all java, there must be just a little twitch factor there :) | |
| 14:55 | OK, so we're not compiling Perl, so what does a "build" actually do? | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | rambutan: it runs the complete installation process and all the unit tests. |
| 14:56 | rambutan | ic ic |
| 14:56 | jcamins | And a sub-task generates a package. |
| 14:56 | rambutan | so that means it's running a shell script |
| 14:57 | jcamins | continuous integration? |
| 14:57 | rambutan | OK, this is easy as cake |
| 14:57 | jcamins | continuous integration is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nuous_Integration |
| 14:57 | That has the build script. | |
| 14:59 | rambutan | Wish I could have attended that (Chris') presentation |
| 15:40 | @later tell rangi do VM's work OK as Jenkins slaves, or is bare metal preferred? | |
| 15:40 | huginn | rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:55 | rambutan | @later tell rangi How many Jenkins slaves are we currently running? |
| 15:55 | huginn | rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:01 | paul_p joined #koha | |
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| 17:21 | cait | bgkriegel++ :) |
| 17:22 | bgkriegel | now for what? :) |
| 17:23 | thx :) | |
| 17:24 | you have been very busy! cait++ | |
| 17:24 | cait | not busy enough :) |
| 17:24 | still 13 enh/new features remaining | |
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| 18:26 | cait1 | t |
| 18:26 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 18:26 | done 10854 | |
| 18:28 | cait | bgkriegel++ :) |
| 18:49 | bgkriegel | cait: 10969. Russian file has a TRUNCATE, but can't be truncated because foreign key constraint, so 1) remove truncate or 2) replace with delete 3) lift constraint for that sentence |
| 18:56 | cait | bgkriegel: hm |
| 18:56 | you are right - i just kept it how it was | |
| 18:56 | maybe comment it? | |
| 18:56 | it seems quite dangerous | |
| 18:56 | bgkriegel | If they want truncate, then i go for 3) |
| 18:56 | cait | ok |
| 18:56 | bgkriegel | just disable, truncate and enable |
| 18:57 | cait | ok |
| 19:10 | rangi | morning |
| 19:10 | 2 new devs in september | |
| 19:10 | cait | morning |
| 19:11 | rangi | i should do a patch for that |
| 19:12 | @later tell rambutan VM work fine, we have 2 already, i still need to configure bgkriegel's one to do a bit more, galens one is running master against mariadb, i can show you how at kohacon | |
| 19:12 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:09 | mtj | hey rangi, have you got round to looking at travis.cli.org ? |
| 20:09 | rangi | yep, it's good as far as proprietary SaaS goes |
| 20:10 | mtj | s/looking/look/ |
| 20:12 | jcamins | rangi: it looks like their code is on Github. |
| 20:12 | mtj | hmm, i actually thought it travis was FOSS :/ |
| 20:12 | rangi | oh cool |
| 20:12 | jcamins | MIT license. |
| 20:12 | wahanui | well, mit license is compatible, but upgrading to GPLv3+ is a good idea anyway. |
| 20:12 | rangi | i might be confusing with coveralls |
| 20:13 | jcamins | rangi: https://github.com/travis-ci/travis |
| 20:13 | rangi | mtj: it seems fine, doesnt do anything jenkins doesnt |
| 20:13 | its integration with github is nice, if you like github | |
| 20:13 | but there is a plugin to do the same for jenkins | |
| 20:15 | mtj | i started experimenting with travis coz it was quick, free and i couldnt spare a jenkins box |
| 20:17 | i think jenkins does a bunch more stuff than travis | |
| 20:18 | i liked getting a clean VM for every build in travis…. tho i'm sure jenkins could be set up to do the same thing | |
| 20:19 | rangi | yep |
| 20:19 | jcamins | mtj: easy peasy. Worst case scenario, you use Vagrant. |
| 20:19 | jenkins can run a bash script that starts Vagrant. | |
| 20:19 | rangi | https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/di[…]NS/Vagrant+Plugin |
| 20:20 | even easier | |
| 20:20 | mtj | touche |
| 20:21 | jcamins | Cool. |
| 20:22 | mtj | is it easy to get different OSs booting in vagrant? |
| 20:22 | rangi | havent tried, but i cant imagine it is |
| 20:22 | mtj | ie: as a vagrant 'box' |
| 20:23 | looks like it might be easy peasy | |
| 20:24 | jcamins | mtj: I only use it with Ubuntu. |
| 20:24 | But it's dead simple with Ubuntu. | |
| 20:25 | mtj | woah! -> http://www.vagrantbox.es |
| 20:25 | jcamins | mtj: https://github.com/biblionarra[…]aster/Vagrantfile and https://github.com/biblionarra[…]/bootstrap-deb.sh |
| 20:26 | mtj | awesome, i've been looking for something like vagrant for a while… |
| 20:26 | jcamins | That script doesn't actually work because Cassandra's packaging is broken. |
| 20:27 | rangi | vagrant + chef = awesome |
| 20:27 | jcamins | It did for a while, though. |
| 20:27 | rangi | mtj: you should look at docker.io too its pretty neat |
| 20:27 | mtj | i failed badly trying to get ubuntu VMs booting on a debian XEN system, a few weeks ago |
| 20:27 | rangi | different use cases i think |
| 20:27 | but still neat | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Yeah, very different. But both very cool. |
| 20:29 | mtj | rangi, yep thanks - docker.io was next on my TODO list |
| 20:29 | ( i saw it mentioned on #koha recently - and re-remembered it ) | |
| 20:30 | rangi | mtj: travis + coveralls = https://coveralls.io/r/ranginui/ncip-server-chris |
| 20:30 | which is kinda fun | |
| 20:31 | Devel::Cover::Report::Coveralls | |
| 20:31 | cover -test -report coveralls | |
| 20:34 | mtj | very cool :) |
| 20:34 | i had some success recently, testing Koha install-docs on travis… https://travis-ci.org/KohaAloha/koha-install-docs | |
| 20:35 | rangi | cool |
| 20:35 | mtj | was nice to 'prove' that some instructions actually worked... |
| 20:35 | rangi | i really need to get jenkins to mark a build failed |
| 20:35 | if coverage drops | |
| 20:37 | cait | :) |
| 20:37 | +1 | |
| 20:37 | * rangi | grabs coffee brb |
| 20:37 | mtj | hmm, perhaps the 'cover' test could be added to the qa-tool.pl even... |
| 20:38 | like the perl-critic test | |
| 20:38 | (might be a really slow test tho) | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | That would be an incredibly slow test. |
| 20:39 | mtj | yeah - i thought it might :p |
| 20:39 | jcamins | You'd have to run the entire test suite twice. |
| 20:40 | cait | another slave? |
| 20:40 | i mean jenkins could do it | |
| 20:40 | jcamins | cait: no, I meant with koha-qa. |
| 20:40 | cait | and you could test coverage only on the files changes |
| 20:40 | changed | |
| 20:40 | not so slow then maybe | |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cait: the problem is you have to run every single test to find out which ones include coverage of the changed files. |
| 20:45 | cait | hm yeah you are right |
| 20:46 | rangi | it shouldnt fail qa |
| 20:46 | nessecarily | |
| 20:46 | mtj | jcamins, thanks for the vagrant examples, they are just what i need :) |
| 20:46 | rangi | but jenkins can make the build fail and highlight coverage dropped |
| 20:48 | * jcamins | contemplates tracings. |
| 20:48 | * cait | runs the qa script on random bugs because she is really too tired to continue testing |
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| 21:26 | eythian | hi |
| 21:26 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:26 | how are you? | |
| 21:26 | :) | |
| 21:27 | eythian | Daylight saving changed, so slightly jetlagged :) |
| 21:27 | cait | oh did it? |
| 21:27 | what time is it for you now? | |
| 21:27 | 11 hours now? that always confuses me | |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | 10:30 here |
| 21:30 | eythian | yeah, that |
| 21:30 | wahanui | well, yeah, that is cool - a way to enhance the OPAC without bloating Koha... |
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| 21:31 | cait | eythian: i was wondering if you could look at 2 bugs for me? |
| 21:31 | bug 10733 is all packages | |
| 21:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10733 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Memcached on package installs |
| 21:31 | cait | and i wonder if we need additional changes for bug 10729 |
| 21:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10729 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Support phrases-icu.xml in install and upgrade |
| 21:37 | cait | eythian: are you hiding now? :) |
| 21:37 | eythian | just distracted :) |
| 21:37 | I'll try to have a look today. | |
| 21:37 | cait | that would be awesome, thx |
| 21:44 | jcamins | So it turns out there are some disadvantages to a discovery layer like Biblionarrator. |
| 21:44 | cait | oh? |
| 21:44 | jcamins | When you do a search you get all the really relevant results that have been cataloged *horribly*. |
| 21:44 | And all you can say is "oh my god, I hope I didn't write that." | |
| 21:45 | While trying to ignore the sneaking suspicion that it may have been one of your first records. | |
| 21:45 | cait | ah |
| 21:45 | that happens with people using koha too | |
| 21:45 | when they first try the publication date search :) | |
| 21:45 | and other searches | |
| 21:45 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:46 | cait | 9190... that doesn't look quite right |
| 21:46 | jcamins | True, but the really horribly cataloged records don't show up in searches, usually. |
| 21:47 | This record... | |
| 21:47 | * jcamins | sighs. |
| 22:03 | cait | good night :) |
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| 22:11 | jcamins | @marc 952 |
| 22:11 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 22:11 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag 952 |
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| 22:41 | jcamins | Good morning, cait. |
| 22:41 | cait | *hides* |
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| 23:41 | jcamins | rangi: hey, I don't suppose you know of anyone who has collected statistics on which indexes are actually used on the OPAC? |
| 23:42 | rangi | not me |
| 23:44 | jcamins | I computed it for one library, and it matched what I expected: 78.61% keyword, 10.09% author, 4.83% title, and 3.8% subject. |
| 23:45 | The other 9 indexes used on the OPAC make up the remaining 2.67% of searches. | |
| 23:47 | rangi | sounds what id expect |
| 23:48 | jcamins | Yeah, but I'd be interested in sanity checking those results, to confirm that it is as consistent as I think. |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | i'd guess it has a lot to do with what kind of library, and what kind of search they set as default |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Anti-confirmation bias, don't you know. |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | but yea, that seems like what I'd expect |
| 23:49 | rangi | ill see if i can pull some stats |
| 23:50 | jcamins | wizzyrea: this was a specialized research library. |
| 23:50 | wizzyrea | default set to keyword? |
| 23:50 | rangi | that makes me think |
| 23:50 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 23:56 | A study at Nanyang Technical University has keyword 68.9%, title 16.5%, author 8.2%, and subject 6.4%. | |
| 23:57 | rangi | we should totally make a way to export those stats, anonymised |
| 23:57 | so that libraries can click and export and then we can collect them | |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Yeah, that'd be useful. |
| 23:59 | Well, interesting. | |
| 23:59 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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