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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:01 | dcook | morning folks |
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| 01:19 | mtompset | it works? |
| 01:19 | wahanui | For now... |
| 01:19 | mtompset | it works? |
| 01:19 | wahanui | For now... |
| 01:19 | mtompset | it works? |
| 01:19 | wahanui | For now... |
| 01:19 | mtompset | it works maybe! |
| 01:19 | it works! | |
| 01:19 | wahanui | For now... |
| 01:19 | mtompset | bah, wahanui, you've become boring. I thought you had some randomness in there. |
| 01:20 | Greetings, dcook. :) | |
| 01:25 | * dcook | waves |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | it works! |
| 01:42 | wahanui | You should blog about it. |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | totes. |
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| 02:38 | eythian | mtompset: randomness doesn't mean giving a different response, just that it might give a different response :) |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Didn't expect that! |
| 02:48 | wahanui | No one expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
| 02:48 | eythian | http://lwn.net/Articles/568517/ <-- copying images with attribution automatically. |
| 02:52 | dcook | Coool |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea | that is fantastic |
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| 04:20 | mtompset | But aren't firefox and other browers dropping plug-in support? |
| 05:16 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
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| 05:36 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:37 | dcook | hey ya cait |
| 05:37 | cait | hi dcook :) |
| 06:18 | dcook: have you seen the hackfest page on hte wiki? | |
| 06:20 | dcook | Mmm, a little while ago, but not recently |
| 06:22 | cait | you should write something there :) |
| 06:22 | * cait | is nudging people to fill the website a bit |
| 06:23 | dcook | I think I've been nudged enough for one conference :p |
| 06:23 | What's the URL again? | |
| 06:23 | hackfest? | |
| 06:23 | wahanui | hackfest is, like, awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) |
| 06:24 | dcook | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest |
| 06:24 | Hmm | |
| 06:26 | I don't know if I have any ideas for tutorials or group work, but maybe some discussion | |
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| 06:29 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:29 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
| 06:35 | dcook | Idea for discussion added, cait :p |
| 06:35 | cait | thx :) |
| 06:35 | hackfest is also http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest | |
| 06:35 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 06:36 | cait | dcook: looks like you intend to open the can or worms |
| 06:36 | dcook | Oh? |
| 06:37 | It's just an idea ;) | |
| 06:42 | cait | yep valid one too |
| 06:42 | i was just thinking | |
| 06:43 | maybe we should ask the libraries what they like least and like best about Koha and take that into the hackfest with us | |
| 06:44 | Oak | we should that from experienced Koha users here as well. |
| 06:45 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 06:45 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:45 | * cait | waves |
| 06:45 | * magnuse | waves back |
| 06:45 | cait | something like the most annoying bug or missing enhancement |
| 06:47 | Oak | yes, find the most annoying bug that most of present here name, then on the hackfest, you guys will get the once a year chance of being physicaly present in the same room... and then you kill that bug |
| 06:47 | high five | |
| 06:47 | never mind | |
| 06:47 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 06:49 | cait | kill the bug! |
| 06:49 | have to run :) bbiab | |
| 06:52 | dcook | It's not a bad idea, Oak, although it might be tough to get everyone's opinion |
| 06:52 | I imagine that's the problem with my discussion idea as well. There will never be a time when every (regular) contributor is in the same room | |
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| 06:56 | dcook | Item-level facets :@ |
| 06:56 | * dcook | waves to magnuse in a not angry way but goes back to glaring at facets |
| 06:56 | also waves to sophie_m in a non-angry way :) | |
| 06:57 | sophie_m | hello dcook :-) |
| 06:57 | why should you be angry ? | |
| 06:57 | * magnuse | waves pacifyingly to dcook |
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| 06:58 | sophie_m | hi magnuse |
| 06:59 | dcook | They don't work very well :/ |
| 06:59 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m |
| 06:59 | dcook | For instance, if you look for Item Type A and Branch B, you'll get results for bib records that may or may not contain items that have Item Type A at Branch B |
| 06:59 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:59 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:00 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:00 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:00 | dcook | Because even though branch and item type are technically item-level, they're indexed at the bib-level... |
| 07:00 | magnuse | hm, is marseille stuck on 20? |
| 07:00 | dcook | @wunder syd |
| 07:00 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Bardwell Park, Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (5:00 PM EST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:00 | magnuse | dcook: ooh, that sounds like a can of fun! |
| 07:00 | * dcook | wonders why magnuse and cait are both talking about cans today :p |
| 07:01 | dcook | Yeah...fun times :/ |
| 07:01 | Not a difficult explanation per se but not a fun one | |
| 07:02 | I think I might have just realized how DOM indexing might fix it though.. | |
| 07:02 | Or could fix it | |
| 07:02 | Mmm, actually, maybe not | |
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| 07:02 | sophie_m | yep magnuse and 25° during the day |
| 07:02 | magnuse | it's can day! |
| 07:03 | or cannes day, if you are in the south of france | |
| 07:03 | sophie_m | :-) |
| 07:03 | magnuse | oh, and "can day" is short for "can do day", of course |
| 07:05 | dcook | I wish I can do a fix for search :p |
| 07:06 | magnuse | give all your money to jcamins? ;-) |
| 07:07 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:07 | money, time, and energy :p | |
| 07:07 | He's only one man | |
| 07:07 | An amazing man, but still only one | |
| 07:10 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 07:13 | kf | good morning again :) |
| 07:13 | magnuse | kia ora kf |
| 07:13 | kf | kia ora magnuse |
| 07:16 | dcook: seems you understand now? about item level facetting? | |
| 07:19 | dcook | Just the problem |
| 07:19 | Not the solution | |
| 07:20 | You and Jared explained the problem a while ago though :) | |
| 07:20 | kf | dcook: yeah but it seems i failed to explain how dom could fix it :) |
| 07:20 | dcook | I don't know how item level facetting could ever work as expected :S |
| 07:20 | Ah, yes, there is that :p | |
| 07:21 | I assume that it would mean the introduction of more indexes? | |
| 07:21 | No, that wouldn't work either.. | |
| 07:22 | Items dissolve into the bib record when indexing | |
| 07:23 | The only way I can imagine this problem going away is if the items were able to keep their integrity | |
| 07:24 | Anyway, I should probably get going | |
| 07:25 | I should already be on my way to the gym! | |
| 07:25 | No beer o'clock for this guy... | |
| 07:25 | kf | sec |
| 07:25 | dcook | sec? |
| 07:27 | * dcook | waits? |
| 07:28 | kf | I think the trick is to have an index where the different infromation is indexed together ... in one term? |
| 07:28 | dcook | Hmm...now that I think about it...maybe that could work |
| 07:28 | Maybe | |
| 07:29 | But you could still run into problems, I would think | |
| 07:29 | Instead of having itemtype indexes, you could just have item indexes, and then search those I guess.. | |
| 07:29 | But I don't know how that would work either | |
| 07:30 | It would probably work for single facet searches (but the current indexing does too) | |
| 07:30 | kf | i think it would be an additional index probably |
| 07:30 | well you would construct something like item:branch location as a search term | |
| 07:31 | so it would require a bit of new logic for the facets to change the links according to what you searched before | |
| 07:31 | it's doable, but not easy i guess | |
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| 07:31 | dcook | Mmm, I think I getcha now |
| 07:31 | so item: branch location | |
| 07:31 | item: branch itemtype | |
| 07:31 | Like that? | |
| 07:31 | kf | yeah |
| 07:31 | dcook | Yeah, if the logic was there, I could see that working |
| 07:31 | kf | maybe need to add a prefix not sure, to avoid colliosions |
| 07:31 | dcook | We'd need a lot of extra indexes though |
| 07:32 | kf | item: branchsomething locationsomething ... |
| 07:32 | hm that would only be one I think? | |
| 07:32 | dcook | Basically, we'd need an index for every permutation |
| 07:32 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:32 | kf | dcook: hm i don't think so |
| 07:32 | dcook | Ah, I see what you mean by prefix now |
| 07:32 | Hmm | |
| 07:32 | kf | it's like a title search |
| 07:32 | not phrase where the sequence would matter | |
| 07:33 | dcook | You mean word search? |
| 07:33 | kf | guess so |
| 07:33 | dcook | Ok...I get what you're saying now |
| 07:33 | kf | was not sure about the correct term |
| 07:33 | dcook | It might be string search |
| 07:33 | I can't remember the correct term either | |
| 07:34 | kf | at least we understoood each other :) |
| 07:34 | dcook | I know there is title:w, title:p, and title:s |
| 07:34 | Can't remember the difference between w and s | |
| 07:34 | magnuse | just search, as opposed to "prhrase search"? |
| 07:36 | dcook | Hmm, apparently Zebra does facets as well.. |
| 07:36 | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]l-retrieval-types | |
| 07:36 | I think Jared mentioned that once | |
| 07:36 | kf | yes it does |
| 07:36 | i think someone said there was a problem with utf8 data there, but not sure it's still a problem | |
| 07:36 | it's been a long while since | |
| 07:37 | dcook | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]er-map-files.html |
| 07:39 | Wait, that's the one I want apparently... http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]l-pqf-apt-mapping | |
| 07:39 | Hmm, I'm not sure | |
| 07:39 | But I really need to run :( | |
| 07:40 | kf | cya tomorrow :) |
| 07:40 | and have anice evening! | |
| 07:40 | dcook | Hope not. My saturday is tomorrow ;) |
| 07:40 | thanks :) | |
| 07:40 | Have a good day and a good weekend! | |
| 08:20 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:20 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 16.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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| 09:03 | kivilahtio__ | does this script still exists? misc/maintenance/sync_items_in_marc_bib.pl |
| 09:03 | I would like to migrate holdings to Koha directly to the items table | |
| 09:15 | kf | kivilahtio__: not sure, we have never used it |
| 09:15 | but it shoudl not be necessary i think | |
| 09:15 | you fill the items table directly, then you do a full reindex | |
| 09:15 | sophie_m | kivilahtio__: this script was used to synchronised marc in biblioitems with items data. As biblioitems doesn't contains items info anymore, it is deprecated |
| 09:15 | kf | in ealrier times item information was also held in the marcxml and marc fields in the database, so that needed to be synched |
| 09:15 | what sophie_m says :) | |
| 09:15 | kivilahtio__ | ok |
| 09:16 | so I just run the reindexZebra.pl? | |
| 09:16 | kf | important is the full reindex |
| 09:16 | kivilahtio__ | rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 09:16 | kf | after you have changed the item data yes |
| 09:16 | kivilahtio__ | rok on! |
| 09:17 | thanks! | |
| 09:17 | I can get into migrating our data | |
| 09:17 | I hope I can do it during the weekend. We are having a Evergreen vs Koha final meeting next monday | |
| 09:18 | just extended the UseBranchTransferLimits to limit holds as well. Took me 4h! Yay! That was one thing that COULD NEVER be done with Koha :D | |
| 09:18 | kf | ah |
| 09:18 | hope your meeting goes well | |
| 09:19 | kivilahtio__ | kf: However it goes, I am sure it will turn out ok for me, atleast ;) |
| 10:04 | magnuse | kivilahtio__: hope you make the right decision, then :-) |
| 10:26 | kivilahtio__ | magnuse: thanks magnuse for caring! |
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| 12:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:24 | magnuse | kia ora oleonard |
| 12:31 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
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| 12:54 | druthb | kf! |
| 12:54 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 12:54 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 12:54 | kf | druthb! |
| 12:54 | magnuse | kf! |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:09 | ebegin | Hi there ! I remember having seen a list of domain name vs company name in order to get the company credited for a commit. Anybody can point me where this is ? |
| 13:12 | magnuse | ebegin: this? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=.mailmap;hb=HEAD |
| 13:13 | jcamins | I don't recall seeing anything like that in Koha. |
| 13:14 | magnuse | i think maybe rangi has one that he uses when he runs the statistics? |
| 13:14 | jcamins | I used this as RM: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]286f7e831;hb=HEAD |
| 13:14 | But I think rangi has his own. | |
| 13:14 | ebegin | jcamins, that's it ! |
| 13:15 | Thanks ! We will add inLibro since we are planning to do much more check ins | |
| 13:16 | jcamins,++ | |
| 13:16 | jcamins++ | |
| 13:17 | magnuse was close though, and I think we will add entries in there too | |
| 13:17 | jcamins | ebegin: you only need to add to the mailmap if you don't set your git environments up consistently. |
| 13:20 | ebegin | jcamins, does git have a kind of 'Organization' setting ? |
| 13:22 | kf | jcamins: i think there is a mailmap file somewhere in koha... but not sure |
| 13:22 | jcamins | ebegin: no. |
| 13:22 | kf: yeah, magnuse provided a link earlier. | |
| 13:22 | kf | oh right...s crolling sown |
| 13:22 | down | |
| 13:22 | sorry :) | |
| 13:22 | tcohen | .mailmap |
| 13:23 | blou | Holà #koha |
| 13:23 | kf | hi blou |
| 13:23 | blou | Question about installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl |
| 13:24 | tcohen | ebegin: put a file ~/.gitmessage.txt |
| 13:24 | with a single line: Sponsored-by: inLibro | |
| 13:24 | blou | How do we modify this for a patch? It doesn't seem right hardcode a db version in it (ex: 3.13.00.023) |
| 13:25 | kf | tcohen: i think inLibro is the company, so maybe better doing it with the mailmap |
| 13:25 | blou: you create a new entry | |
| 13:25 | and set the version there to 3.13.00.XXX | |
| 13:25 | tcohen | database updates? |
| 13:25 | kf | the RM will add the number when it goes in |
| 13:25 | ebegin | tcohen, cool trick ! |
| 13:26 | magnuse | blou: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Database_updates |
| 13:26 | tcohen | wahanui: database updates is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Database_updates |
| 13:26 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 13:26 | blou | kf: ha! Excellent! Thanks a lot! |
| 13:26 | magnuse: thanks!! | |
| 13:27 | magnuse | my pleasure! |
| 13:27 | blou | i need to learn to abuse those little bots |
| 13:27 | tcohen | kf: as UNC's employee should i stop pasting patches with "Sponsored-by" line then? |
| 13:28 | kf | tcohen: hm no I don'tthink so., because you are working for a library and doing features for it... |
| 13:28 | jcamins | Sponsored-by and the gitdm file are two different things. |
| 13:28 | magnuse | hm, the database updates page says "Now that bug 7167 has been pushed..." wasn't that pulled out again? |
| 13:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , updatedatabase improvements |
| 13:28 | kf | tcohen: so employer and library are the same :) |
| 13:29 | jcamins | inLibro is probably not sponsoring many of its developments. |
| 13:29 | tcohen | yeah, but it seems that because of the sponsored-by line UNC always appears in a weird place |
| 13:29 | on the release notes | |
| 13:29 | kf | maybe addtionally add to the mailmap? |
| 13:29 | i think the spnsored by shows up as sponsoring institutions and libraries or something like that | |
| 13:30 | ebegin | jcamins, we sponsored a lot of them actually :-) |
| 13:30 | jcamins | The Sponsored-by and mailmap show in different places. |
| 13:30 | kf | ebegin: I think mailmap would be the first thing to change - so you go in the stats with a good name -.the sponsored by just adds to a list in the rlease notes :) |
| 13:30 | tcohen | kf: i think i'll check the get-bugs script |
| 13:30 | jcamins | ebegin: in that case, for some you could have both sponsored-by and non-sponsored by. |
| 13:31 | kf | get-bugs? |
| 13:31 | sorry, it's friday, i am consued | |
| 13:31 | easy to confuse and can't type apparently | |
| 13:31 | tcohen | kf: the script that generates the release notes, sorry |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Though my feeling is that it doesn't make sense for vendors to use Sponsored-by, even if they did sponsor the development. |
| 13:31 | It misses the point of that enhancement to the release notes, which was to highlight *users* that were sponsoring development. | |
| 13:32 | kf | jcamins: same feeling here somehow... but I don't think we have written it down somewhere. I think the initial idea of the sponsored-by was to have way to mention the libraries spnsoring? |
| 13:32 | tcohen | Lyon and Rennes always appear as companies for example |
| 13:32 | ebegin | jcamins, I see. In case where the dev is not sponsored, we wont put Sponsored-by |
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| 13:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:32 | magnuse | but Lyon and Rennes do their own development? or not? |
| 13:32 | hiya mtompset | |
| 13:33 | mtompset | Greetings, magnuse. :) |
| 13:33 | kf | tcohen: hm i think they have been sending patches and are also biblibre customers, so might have sponsored something |
| 13:33 | mtompset | Greetings, kf. :) |
| 13:33 | jcamins | kf: yeah, I added Sponsored-by for that reason. |
| 13:34 | And as the end users, I have no problem with Lyons and Rennes listed in sponsored-by. | |
| 13:34 | ebegin | tcohen, the .gitmessage.txt is a template and is can be edited at commit time, right ? |
| 13:34 | kf | ah end users |
| 13:34 | that's good | |
| 13:34 | to differentiate | |
| 13:34 | tcohen | ebegin: exactly |
| 13:35 | jcamins: how should i list UNC in the release notes ? | |
| 13:35 | kf | i think you are really both |
| 13:35 | end user and developer | |
| 13:36 | tcohen | we have "companies" and "libraries" (users) |
| 13:36 | oh, and "individuals" | |
| 13:37 | jcamins | tcohen: UNC should be listed in both companies and libraries. |
| 13:37 | tcohen | not that i care too much about this, just clarifying |
| 13:37 | jcamins | Though companies should maybe renamed "organizations." |
| 13:37 | tcohen | +1 |
| 13:37 | kf | the qotd feature seems a bit fragile |
| 13:38 | jcamins: true | |
| 13:39 | grr. | |
| 13:39 | i have no idea why it doesn't show! | |
| 13:42 | magnuse | kf: simple questions first: did you enable the feature? |
| 13:43 | jeff | HP apparently region-locks their inkjet printer cartridges. |
| 13:43 | that just seems... wow. | |
| 13:43 | kf | magnuse: yup |
| 13:44 | jeff | didn't actually mean to go into that here, but now that i think about it #koha seems almost an appropriate place. |
| 13:44 | * jcamins | heads into the city. |
| 13:46 | kf | magnuse: and i turned it on and off again to make sure |
| 13:46 | magnuse | kf: no clue then, i'm afraid |
| 13:46 | kf | hmpf |
| 13:46 | but thx ;) | |
| 13:46 | oh | |
| 13:46 | could someone do me a tiny favour and check if it shows on master? | |
| 13:46 | we recently updated this instllation to the latest 3.12.x | |
| 13:48 | when there was only 1 quote it worked | |
| 13:48 | now the library added more and they look perfect and it stopped showing | |
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| 13:54 | magnuse | kf: alas, no time for testing, but if you want to test on http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ you can log in as demo/demo |
| 13:54 | kf | i thik i will postpone it to monday |
| 13:58 | kivilahtio__ | phew got the Bibs and Items in DB |
| 13:59 | not production ready but still. gg | |
| 13:59 | just wanted to tell someone ! :) | |
| 14:00 | magnuse | kivilahtio__: yay! |
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| 14:14 | * magnuse | calls it a week - happy pizza day #koha! |
| 14:14 | kivilahtio__ | happy weekend magnuse! |
| 14:16 | tcohen | pizza for magnuse! |
| 14:16 | magnuse | w00t! |
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| 14:18 | kivilahtio__ | have you thought about rewriting Koha with a real object oriented language? Like Java? Which actually forces many good design practices? |
| 14:19 | I'm sure you have but just asking if someone has a opinion | |
| 14:20 | Not looking for a friday night firefight regarding the issue tho ;) | |
| 14:28 | kf | kivilahtio__: i think you can write bad code in any language |
| 14:28 | mtompset | Thanks for the correction, kf. :) |
| 14:29 | kf | i think most people would have known waht you meant, but since blou is new, i wanted to save him headache :) |
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| 14:37 | kivilahtio__ | kf: so true :) Just noticed some polymorphism in C4::Circulation::AddIssue and was wondering how easily these could be maintained using object inheritance. |
| 14:43 | mtompset | Are you referring to the type checking for the date, kivilahtio__? |
| 14:43 | kivilahtio__ | mtompset: =item C<$borrower> is a hash with borrower informations (from GetMember or GetMemberDetails). |
| 14:44 | mtompset: could this maybe be resolved usig a PAtron-object? | |
| 14:45 | mtompset: not complaining, I feel things are pretty straightforward here, but I think there would be benefit in defining object for databse types. | |
| 14:46 | mtompset | Perhaps it is a matter of having some base data, and any thing extra is irrelevant. In which case doing the object thing is pointless. |
| 14:47 | if there was different processing based on different information content, then perhaps going the object route would make sense. | |
| 14:48 | Haven't looked, so I can't properly comment. :) | |
| 14:48 | kivilahtio__ | mtompset: prolly, I am not a Koha specialist |
| 15:03 | jcamins | kivilahtio__: people suggest rewriting Koha in a different language about once every two months. |
| 15:04 | Maybe three. | |
| 15:06 | rambutan | I think Koha should be rewritten in Ada. |
| 15:06 | There, now we're good for two or three months. | |
| 15:06 | reiveune | byec |
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| 15:07 | rambutan | But just a few minutes ago I was checking to see the state of Prolog on Linux, so that's on my mind for next quarter. |
| 15:14 | gmcharlt | oleonard: could you look at my last comment on bug 10836? |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC |
| 15:29 | blou | kf, mtompset, oleaonard: When modifying kohastructure.sql, do I need to do the Pg version as well? (Bug 8753?) |
| 15:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Failed QA , Add forgot password link to OPAC |
| 15:30 | blou | Yeah! |
| 15:30 | mtompset | blou: Considering the Pg version is newer, I don't know. |
| 15:30 | Good question though. :) | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Not at present. And the Pg version is much older. |
| 15:31 | blou | well, file is bigger :) |
| 15:31 | mtompset | okay, guess I never noticed it before then. :P |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Also, that patch should not require a change to kohastructure.sql. Just sysprefs.sql. |
| 15:34 | blou | I did not code the change, I'm the commiter :) But it uses a new table to store the unique id sent to the user in email, for future validation |
| 15:36 | jcamins | blou: ah, then yes, kohastructure change. |
| 15:36 | blou | I'll add more comments on that in the commit/patch. |
| 15:36 | jcamins | There was a different bug that just added a syspref. |
| 15:37 | blou | I'm running 3 in parallels, to confuse reviewers, but mostly just to confuse myself |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Hehe. Looks like you're succeeding. |
| 15:42 | blou | got to be good at something |
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| 15:48 | oleonard | Yes, gmcharlt. Sorry, I was afk. |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | oleonard: I've since started working on a follow-up patch -- I'll want extra eyes on it, so will be attaching it soon |
| 15:48 | * oleonard | just walked an MLS student through the process of installing Koha |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | oleonard++ |
| 15:54 | sophie_m | I can't find v3.10.08 release notes on koha-community.org |
| 15:55 | Someone ot help me ? | |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | oleonard: I've attached my follow-up |
| 16:00 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt, I'll test it today |
| 16:03 | It's strange sophie_m, I can find the announcements for 3.10.7 and 3.10.9 but not 3.10.8 | |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | sophie_m: it looks like they weren't posted to the website. However, you can find a copy here - http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.10.x |
| 16:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #123 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:30 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bfd71362326569c21> |
| 16:37 | oleonard | gmcharlt: If you don't mind I'm going to throw a couple of really minor display-related markup changes in with my signoff |
| 16:37 | gmcharlt | oleonard: fine with me |
| 16:45 | oleonard | So the good news is I figured out why collection codes were showing up in my item type search facets. The bad news is we have 84,000 MARC records with the bad data that causes the problem |
| 16:50 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]92673fe2739685b5d> / Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8bf978596f620a975> |
| 16:57 | khall | Just an FYI, if your Koha database has biblios where the biblionumber doesn't equal the biblioitemnumber, DO NOT run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl, or you'll end up with deleted biblioitem rows! http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10961 |
| 16:57 | huginn | 04Bug 10961: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Error in GetMarcBiblio can cause severe data loss |
| 17:10 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8e956880de8556d7a> / Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]96e3257aee3292464> / Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page <http://git.koha-community.org/gitw | |
| 17:14 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #123: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/123/ |
| 17:14 | Srdjan: Bug 9299: fix LDAP login breakage when ExtendedPatronAttributes is on | |
| 17:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Pushed to Master , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail |
| 17:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #124 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:21 | sophie_m | gmcharlt: thanks but I wanted to give the link to a librarian |
| 17:22 | thanks gmcharlt and oleonard | |
| 17:22 | gmcharlt | well, the text is the same |
| 17:24 | khall: I've added comments to 10961; upshot, I think another part of the solution is removing batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl | |
| 17:27 | khall | gmcharlt: you are correct in your points made, but won't touch_all_biblios.pl suffer from this same bug, since the bug is in GetMarcBiblio which touch_all_biblios also uses? |
| 17:28 | gmcharlt | khall: no, because ModBiblio() does the Right Thing and looks up the biblioitemnumber directly |
| 17:29 | khall | Ah, I see. Thanks! |
| 17:29 | gmcharlt | IOW, it doesn't go by whatever is embedded in the MARC record |
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| 17:57 | cait | hm hail storm? |
| 17:57 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 17:57 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3°C (7:55 PM CEST on September 27, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:58 | cait | not quite right huginn |
| 17:58 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #124: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/124/ |
| 17:58 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10836 - New layout for placing holds in the OPAC | |
| 17:58 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10836: (follow-up) improve display toggles on the OPAC hold request form | |
| 17:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: Add datatables to the add item page | |
| 17:58 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10901: (follow-up) make the withdrawn column sortable | |
| 17:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10836 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , New layout for placing holds in the OPAC |
| 17:58 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10901: (follow-up) add space between 'Edit in host' and 'Delink' |
| 17:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10901 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Filters is needed on the add item page |
| 18:02 | gmcharlt | oops |
| 18:02 | * gmcharlt | just gave his test VM a case of indigestion by reproducing the load issue eythian wrote about yesterday |
| 18:03 | jcamins | Well done! |
| 18:03 | What causes it? | |
| 18:04 | gmcharlt | not sure yet if it matches his situation precisely -- need to wait for the VM to calm down -- but if you enter a patron search and never release the enter key, madness ensues |
| 18:04 | jcamins | There was a patch for that. |
| 18:05 | Let me see if I can find it. | |
| 18:06 | Oh, no, it was _saving_ patrons that it was fixed for. | |
| 18:10 | oleonard | I can't believe our copy of The best book of MS-DOS 5 is still checked out |
| 18:10 | cait | lol |
| 18:11 | jcamins | oleonard: great book! |
| 18:23 | tcohen | LOL |
| 18:36 | mtompset | Hey, there are some still useful tips, I'm sure for those who want to go old school on the command line. |
| 18:38 | cait | did someone rewrite Koha in Java while i slept? :) |
| 18:39 | jeff | cait: the magic of timezones! |
| 18:39 | jcamins | cait: we were going to, until someone decided to use .bat files instead. |
| 18:39 | cait | :) |
| 18:40 | tcohen | http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha/ |
| 18:42 | mtompset | Oh my evilness! |
| 18:44 | cait | the last update worries me some :) |
| 18:45 | ah but not really code there | |
| 18:46 | mtompset | http://jkoha.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jkoha/ |
| 18:46 | There is code. | |
| 18:46 | But you have to hunt for it. | |
| 18:47 | What would cause javascript to fail? | |
| 18:47 | cait | mtompset: well i only see initial commits |
| 18:47 | tcohen | its just a bunch of stub classes |
| 18:47 | cait | from what looks like general configuration stuff |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Syntax error, incorrect logic, missing dependencies, lack of execution... any number of things. |
| 18:48 | cait | jcamins: ? |
| 18:48 | mtompset | okay... this upload plug in I'm testing for bug 6874... |
| 18:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 18:48 | jcamins | cait: reasons why JS fails. |
| 18:48 | mtompset | there it pops up the window and you select a file to upload... it uploads... and changes the 856$u to a URL. |
| 18:49 | great for when you do it right. | |
| 18:49 | Now... you click the plugin icon again... and it asks about deleting the one you just uploaded. | |
| 18:49 | no problem there... | |
| 18:49 | But if you tell it to delete it... the 856$u URL isn't cleared. | |
| 18:49 | but the code is the same as the code that filled in the URL in the first place. | |
| 18:50 | cait | jcamins: ah. :) |
| 18:50 | tcohen | upload a patron image, press Esc in the middle of the process, upload a patron image |
| 18:50 | jcamins | Sounds like it failed QA. |
| 18:50 | cait | agreed |
| 18:51 | mtompset | tcohen: Does that do a similarly bizarre thing too? |
| 18:51 | tcohen | not sure, but bizarre |
| 18:52 | jcamins | tcohen: are you using FF? |
| 18:55 | mtompset | AH! Found the error. |
| 18:56 | tcohen | jcamins: sorry, made a silly mistake: it was on frameworks import not patron images |
| 18:57 | jcamins | tcohen: FF has an interesting feature... hitting the escape key cancels all outstanding network connections. |
| 18:59 | tcohen | interesting jcamins |
| 19:01 | mtompset | Silly [% themelang %] vs. [% interface %] problem in the template files. |
| 19:04 | Interesting, Fartkontroll means Speed Trap in Swedish. | |
| 19:04 | tcohen | http://kiriakakis.net/comics/m[…]a-day-at-the-park |
| 19:17 | jcamins: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s[…]bug.cgi?id=614304 | |
| 19:17 | huginn | 04Bug 614304: was not found. |
| 19:17 | tcohen | we will eventually reach that number huginn |
| 19:19 | on chrome it never recovers / acknowledges upload finished | |
| 19:21 | ok, have a nice weekend #koha | |
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| 19:33 | cait | hm seems everyone is leaving |
| 19:36 | Dyrcona | seams everyone is splitting.... |
| 19:36 | cait | hm that does sound painful |
| 19:37 | ah glad to see that ldap patch finally going in | |
| 19:38 | * oleonard | is cruelly forced to work on non-Koha activities |
| 19:39 | cait | eek |
| 19:39 | for how much longer? | |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Possibly hours!! |
| 19:40 | cait | oh god |
| 19:40 | * cait | sends cookies |
| 19:40 | cait | how bad is it? drupal? |
| 19:40 | oleonard | Not that bad ;) |
| 19:40 | cait | :) |
| 19:40 | * jcamins | shudders. |
| 19:42 | oleonard | This would make you shudder jcamins, it's my home-grown staff intranet written in years of spaghetti PHP code |
| 19:42 | pianohacker | php-- |
| 19:42 | oleonard | php++ |
| 19:42 | :P | |
| 19:42 | * jcamins | shudders again. |
| 19:42 | pianohacker | xquery++ |
| 19:42 | cait | koha++ |
| 19:42 | pianohacker | xslt-- |
| 19:42 | koha++ | |
| 19:42 | cait | pianohacker: still waiting for a rebase from you ! |
| 19:43 | as you have made the mistake to show up :) | |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | Have I been under a rock, though? I never knew that xquery existed, it's like xslt but with a good syntax |
| 19:43 | cait: on bug 10486 or bug 8133? | |
| 19:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Patch doesn't apply , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 19:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | pianohacker: I've only seen xquery used in one project. |
| 19:44 | pianohacker | Fair enough. I might start looking at advocating a Koha switch to it (with my volunteered time to move the existing stylesheets) |
| 19:44 | cait | the first one more than the latter |
| 19:44 | jcamins | Not that I remember where I saw it. |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | cait: gotcha. I've been delaying integrating the five quadrillion changes made to 10320 into 10486, but it will happen soonish :) |
| 19:45 | cait | there is a deadline quite soon.. |
| 19:45 | but 10320 | |
| 19:45 | bug 10320 | |
| 19:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search |
| 19:45 | cait | ah |
| 19:46 | pianohacker | 10486 used some of the same code, due to foolish optimism on my part |
| 19:46 | jcamins | I had looked at using XQuery for Biblionarrator, but ultimately concluded that I couldn't see much of a benefit to it. |
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| 19:47 | pianohacker | It's equivalent functionally, in truth. Just, again, much nicer syntax imo |
| 19:47 | jcamins | Oh, definitely much nicer than XSLT, which I ruled out as well. |
| 19:48 | pianohacker | ah, okay. What did you end up using (and for what part of biblionarrator, actually?) |
| 19:48 | jcamins | Record display. |
| 19:48 | Handlebars, primarily. | |
| 19:48 | Well, for non-self-describing formats, anyway. | |
| 19:48 | pianohacker | right |
| 19:48 | jcamins | For self-describing formats, it's just a matter of walking the record and printing everything out as HTML. |
| 19:54 | Yeah, https://github.com/biblionarra[…]t/renderer.js#L23 | |
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| 19:56 | oleonard | Is there anyone out there who is making even halfway-decent arguments that RDA is a good thing? |
| 19:56 | jcamins | oleonard: no. |
| 19:57 | Well, not arguments that get anywhere near convincing me. | |
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| 19:57 | oleonard | Seems like it would be easier if I could just drink the RDA kool-aid and get it over with. |
| 19:58 | "Just lie back and think of FRBR" | |
| 19:58 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:59 | You'd think that the RDA kool-aid would at least be sweetened. | |
| 19:59 | But no. Unsweetened kool-aid. | |
| 20:00 | oleonard | It's particularly galling that the RDA Toolkit costs hundreds of dollars a year to access |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Yeah. "We're all about inclusiveness and open access... NOW PAY US LOTS OF MONEY!" |
| 20:04 | oleonard | Lucky for us the overarching rule of RDA seems to be, "You know, do, like, whatever you want." |
| 20:05 | jcamins | I need to get little bags of M&Ms to A) make M&M cookies and B) give to trick-or-treaters. |
| 20:05 | oleonard | At the end of September? Both will be gone by the time the trick-or-treaters arrive |
| 20:06 | jcamins | The M&M cookies are for next week. |
| 20:06 | You may have a point on the M&Ms saved for trick-or-treaters. | |
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| 20:07 | cait | mmh M&Ms |
| 20:08 | * cait | wants chocolate |
| 20:12 | switches to qa | |
| 20:13 | * oleonard | switches to weekend |
| 20:13 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:13 | cait | bye oleonard :) |
| 20:13 | have a nice one | |
| 20:15 | blou++ | |
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| 20:52 | cait | @later tell eythian could you maybe take a look at bug 10733? |
| 20:52 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:57 | cait | fredericd++ |
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| 20:57 | cait | fixing the annoyingly broken translated list email :) |
| 21:25 | gmcharlt: around? | |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | cait: yes |
| 21:26 | cait | I have a question about bug 10956 |
| 21:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10956 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Series of OPAC searches can cause a browser crash |
| 21:26 | cait | hm wrong |
| 21:26 | bug 10949 | |
| 21:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10949 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , hold request not retrieved when printing hold slip |
| 21:26 | cait | it seems i can't reproduce the problem on master |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | the slip prints fine for you? |
| 21:26 | cait | yes |
| 21:27 | hm it was an item level hold | |
| 21:27 | should it make a difference? | |
| 21:27 | * cait | tries title level |
| 21:28 | cait | no difference, my template is ugly, but there is a reserve slip |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | cait: it could /appear/ to work if the borrowernumber of the patron in question is the same as the reserve_id of a row in the reserves table |
| 21:29 | cait | interesting |
| 21:29 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | is it the _right_ hold request? :) |
| 21:29 | cait | let me see |
| 21:29 | and it is not | |
| 21:29 | :) | |
| 21:29 | tricky! | |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 21:29 | cait | will leave a note to that in my testing notes |
| 21:29 | thx! | |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | great! |
| 21:29 | and thank you! | |
| 21:30 | * gmcharlt | is just glad that your test patron and test hold didn't happen to have the same ID number ;) |
| 21:31 | cait | :) |
| 21:31 | yes, but we would still have figured it out eventually | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt: you pass QA :) | |
| 21:34 | well your patch does :) | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | eek -- I'm not sure I could bear if I personally failed QA! ;) |
| 21:35 | cait | I think you are not in danger to :) |
| 21:52 | good night #koha :) | |
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