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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | FORMAL | lol |
| 00:16 | * wizzyrea | pats wahanui |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | it's ok lil buddy, he didn't mean it. |
| 00:17 | can you link us to the place in the log? | |
| 00:17 | drnoe_away left #koha | |
| 00:18 | wizzyrea | oh nm I missed that he had gone. |
| 00:18 | quant finance! quant finance! | |
| 00:18 | * wizzyrea | suspects someone was talking about quaint finance practices in libraries and spelled it wrong. |
| 00:19 | * jcamins | theorizes that maybe "MARC" means something to quants. |
| 00:19 | jcamins | wizzyrea: actually, that's a better guess. |
| 00:19 | Way better. | |
| 00:24 | rangi | or speaking french |
| 00:24 | Comete, pierrick: bah elle est inquiète par rapport au témoignage de l'école des mines quant à leur migration | |
| 00:24 | jcamins | rangi: or that. |
| 00:24 | dcook | Mmm |
| 00:35 | cait left #koha | |
| 00:45 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:46 | eythian | https://www.usenix.org/system/[…]14-17_mickens.pdf |
| 00:50 | mtompset | What does that have to do with anything, eythian? |
| 00:50 | eythian | it's an entertaining look into the history of Intel's processor design process. |
| 00:57 | jcamins | eythian: that was great. |
| 01:07 | eythian | jcamins: it is, isn't it. |
| 01:24 | mtompset | okay... if I'm installing a unimarc system... is grs or dom better (which will get me a working system without having to edit configuration files)? |
| 01:26 | jcamins | GRS-1, there is no DOM configuration for UNIMARC. |
| 01:27 | mtompset | Okay, that's good to know. |
| 01:28 | Does chr vs. icu make a difference if I'm grabbing data from Biblibre's demo system? | |
| 02:08 | eythian | wahanui: php |
| 02:08 | wahanui | i think php is http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012[…]al-of-bad-design/ |
| 02:09 | eythian | wahanui: php is also http://www.phpwtf.org/ |
| 02:09 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:10 | dcook | Whoa... |
| 02:14 | jcamins | I'm not sure that some of those are worthy of objection. |
| 02:15 | dcook | ...that site is run on Drupal...which is written in PHP, no? |
| 02:15 | Interesting.. | |
| 02:15 | wahanui | hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:15 | dcook | "This site was born out of a DrupalCon presentation to educate people of PHP's quirks. If you want to use this material to bash PHP you are in the wrong place." |
| 02:16 | O_o | |
| 02:16 | * dcook | is confused |
| 02:30 | mtompset | Isn't Frappat french slang for idiot? |
| 02:31 | dcook | Not that I've ever heard but I'm not that familiar with French slang |
| 02:32 | mtompset | I vaguely recall a story from my grade 10 french teacher saying that she was complaining about having to sleep with a fly swatter to someone in French, but the word for fly swatter was also used as slang for idiot. |
| 02:33 | Needless to say the person she was talking to was horrified to hear about her sleeping some one like that. | |
| 02:33 | dcook | ahhh |
| 02:33 | Umm no | |
| 02:33 | I know what you're saying now | |
| 02:34 | Tapette | |
| 02:34 | But it's not slang for idiot | |
| 02:34 | It's a homophobic slang word | |
| 02:35 | mtompset | even more horrifying then. :) |
| 02:35 | dcook | Much more |
| 02:35 | Wait | |
| 02:35 | Horrifying word | |
| 02:35 | mtompset | yes. |
| 02:35 | My french teacher was straight as far as I knew. | |
| 02:36 | Mixing up gender identity is horrifying too. | |
| 02:37 | dcook | I'm not entirely sure how to take your meaning, mtompset. |
| 02:37 | My meaning is that tapette is a horrible slang word that no one should ever apply to another person. | |
| 02:38 | As one's sexual preferences are really no business of anyone else's. | |
| 02:39 | mtompset | yes, I was referring to the secondary related idea that suggesting someone is attracted to a particular gender when they are not is horrifying. |
| 02:39 | johnbljr | Trying to quickly add books and wondering how I can add more frameworks - all I have listed is default and fast add...I still need to go in and choose Book...any suggestions on adding some more default ones? Are there any premade that I can just load in? |
| 02:40 | jcamins | frameworks? |
| 02:40 | wahanui | frameworks are a big topic |
| 02:40 | jcamins | marc frameworks? |
| 02:40 | wahanui | marc frameworks is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks |
| 02:40 | jcamins | ^^ there are a few there |
| 02:40 | dcook | While I personally wouldn't find that horrifying, I understand that someone else might and that is certainly their right to think that way (even if I might think it's a misguided way of thinking). |
| 02:40 | jcamins | FWIW, I only ever use default and fast add. |
| 02:40 | dcook | But that's my last word on that one, mtompset. I'm more than happy to drop the topic. |
| 02:40 | johnbljr | Thanks. |
| 02:40 | mtompset | dcook: Yes, let's. terrible scenario. |
| 02:41 | jcamins | In fact, I strongly encourage my libraries not to use any of the other frameworks. |
| 02:41 | * mtompset | cheers. |
| 02:41 | mtompset | On a positive note. I have a Unimarc installation now. :) |
| 02:41 | dcook | Sweet. I should set one up one of these days... |
| 02:42 | Default and fastadd are usually the ones I advocate as well | |
| 02:42 | mtompset | Default? |
| 02:42 | wahanui | somebody said Default was ports for those who dont have access/skills to run dns |
| 02:43 | mtompset | Why wouldn't you use a particular framework (like BKS, etc.)? Why just Default? |
| 02:43 | jcamins | mtompset: because the frameworks that come suggested with Koha are all lacking fields and provide no added value. |
| 02:45 | mtompset | What if you have all of the frameworks (BKS, etc.) updated to not lack fields, etc.? What would motivate the use of Default over the others? |
| 02:45 | jcamins | If you've done that then all the frameworks are identical. |
| 02:45 | dcook | ^^ |
| 02:46 | mtompset | So, books would require entering the same meta-data as videos? |
| 02:46 | jcamins | (and you have therefore wasted a lot of your time) |
| 02:47 | More or less. | |
| 02:47 | There are a handful of fields that are format-specific, but there are far more fields that aren't. | |
| 02:47 | mtompset | So, does Default have all the fields? |
| 02:47 | jcamins | Nearly. |
| 02:48 | I think there's a patch adding the last few missing. | |
| 02:56 | mtompset | okay... I'm testing a patch, and I think there's a file that is whack... how do I cherry pick from origin/master a particular file? |
| 03:00 | jcamins | Find the file you want and copy it to where you want it to go. |
| 03:02 | eythian | or something like git checkout -- origin/master:path/to/file |
| 03:02 | might not be exactly that, but it's similar | |
| 03:02 | jcamins | eythian: doesn't that hide the diff, though? |
| 03:03 | mtompset | I don't want the diff. |
| 03:03 | I want the original file before the patch. | |
| 03:03 | eythian | oh |
| 03:03 | git reset path/to/file perhaps then | |
| 03:04 | or maybe it's checkout | |
| 03:04 | This stuff I usually look up. | |
| 03:04 | dcook | git checkout -- path/to/file perhaps? |
| 03:04 | mtompset | That didn't work dcook. |
| 03:04 | I did look at the git diff, and figured out the problem. | |
| 03:04 | But it would be really handy to know how to go, "I want the origin/master version of this file and start from scratch." | |
| 03:06 | eythian | reset should do it |
| 03:06 | mtompset | you can reset an individual file? |
| 03:06 | Okay, that's useful to know. | |
| 03:09 | eythian | yeah, pretty sure you can |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | i usually just git checkout |
| 03:09 | eythian | mtompset: also, you should look into using the patch review thing on bugzilla |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | git checkout file.name |
| 03:09 | might not work with a patch though | |
| 03:09 | eythian | I think checkout is probably better in this case. |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | it will if you've done stuff but haven't committed it |
| 03:10 | eythian | reset is mostly for undoing a git add when used on files. |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | "there's probably a flag for that (tm)" |
| 03:10 | eythian | but you could make it change the content with --hard. |
| 03:10 | mtompset | patch review thing on bugzilla? |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | true |
| 03:11 | eythian | mtompset: yes |
| 03:11 | you click 'review' beside the patch. | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | ohhh |
| 03:11 | git checkout master~2 file.name | |
| 03:12 | check out the version of file.name from 2 commits back | |
| 03:13 | mtompset++ for making me look at the git checkout man page. | |
| 03:14 | eythian | mtompset: you should use the review thing on bugzilla by reading the instructions :) you can comment on a particular line, which is what you wanted there I think. |
| 03:16 | mtompset | :( The interface for it is not intuitive. |
| 03:16 | I'm not going to spam bugs list again. | |
| 03:17 | eythian | it isn't intuitive at all. |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea | which bug? |
| 03:20 | mtompset | I'm working on testing bug 6874 |
| 03:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 03:20 | mtompset | And I only found this problem as a result of trying to install a fresh install UNIMARC koha. |
| 03:21 | Thoroughness is a good thing! | |
| 03:22 | Ah... there's a double click to review the line individually. | |
| 03:23 | Okay... figured it is... mouse over tool tip doesn't always appear. | |
| 03:23 | ^is^out^ | |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | did the framework guy leave? |
| 03:28 | I was going to elucidate the reasons for having the other frameworks, from a practical point of view (i.e. for libraries that don't care about MARC completeness) | |
| 03:28 | but if he's gone I won't bother. | |
| 03:29 | mtompset | I'll listen to you, wizzyrea. :) |
| 03:29 | I'm a library noob. :) | |
| 03:30 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:35 | mtompset | Because if you have a framework with every possible field/subfield... why would you need another one that doesn't? |
| 03:36 | eythian | because that really clutters your display |
| 03:36 | also makes it easy to miss one that you should have filled out, because you're skipping 90% of them anyway. | |
| 03:37 | dcook | Depending on what type of cataloguer you are :p |
| 03:38 | And the item being catalogued | |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | yea but not every library needs professional records. If they do, they don't do it themselves, they get the records from OCLC. |
| 03:38 | dcook | True true |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | or another trusted source. |
| 03:38 | dcook | Those usually benefit from the fast add framework then |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | I don't think it's really that easy. |
| 03:39 | dcook | It's not always |
| 03:39 | eythian | fast add is a different thing again really though |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | I have seen a very wide variety of uses for the frameworks |
| 03:39 | dcook | I imagine some people do use the serials one |
| 03:39 | Maybe a/v | |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | and lots of our libraries use one "Articles" |
| 03:40 | dcook | Mmm, right |
| 03:40 | I think what jcamins wants to avoid by using different frameworks is the staleness of frameworks | |
| 03:40 | * eythian | wonders how this particular data has a coauthor with no author. |
| 03:40 | wizzyrea | and yet more wanted to have a specific framework that put all the fields they always use on tab 0, and the optional ones on other tabs |
| 03:41 | dcook | Ideally, it would be nice if there were one tag library and then each "framework" were a view of it |
| 03:41 | Optional? | |
| 03:41 | wahanui | whatever jcamins forgets to check is optional. |
| 03:41 | mtompset | Ooooh... yes. dcook. I like that. So all the tags are there, but the framework changes the view. |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | that was supposed to be the purpose, back in the day. XSLT kind of changed that |
| 03:42 | mtompset | Then you wouldn't necessarily have to tab between 1XX, 2XX, etc. records. |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | and they do do that |
| 03:42 | dcook | Not really |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | for the cataloging interface |
| 03:43 | dcook | Each framework has its own tag library |
| 03:43 | mtompset | tags to display, not actual tags. |
| 03:43 | dcook | If your framework doesn't have a particular field showing, it gets nixed when you save |
| 03:43 | Or if you need to add a field, you need to add it to all frameworks (or figure out the ones that probably shoudl have it) | |
| 03:44 | mtompset | Whatever... not like frameworks are going to change in the near future. :) |
| 03:44 | dcook | true true |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | the thing where you have to add it to all of them if you want it is a pain. |
| 03:44 | and that editing interface is pants. | |
| 03:44 | dcook | It certainly is |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | way too many clicks. |
| 03:45 | dcook | I accept the premise that you'd want different views for different purposes though. |
| 03:45 | mtompset | That's a good premise, I think. |
| 03:45 | dcook | I think older systems called them templates |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea: way too many clicks | |
| 03:45 | johnbljr | the reason I did not have it was because my install used UNIMARC and not Marc21 |
| 03:45 | * dcook | misses the pure text interface of yore |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | ah a cataloguing purist. |
| 03:46 | dcook | A cataloguing pragmatist :p |
| 03:46 | You can catalogue way faster with that text interface | |
| 03:46 | You didn't need to touch the mouse | |
| 03:46 | I might have a touch of purity though, which is one reason I decided not to be a cataloguer :p | |
| 03:47 | * dcook | would rather offer cataloguing advice than obsess over "perfectly" descrbing a resource |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | there's a problem between the people who don't want to have climb the super steep learning curve of a text interface, vs the people who want to be able to just pick it up and go |
| 03:48 | rather the people who have slaved over their text interface for so long that they have a hard time with anything else | |
| 03:48 | because yea, no mousing is fast | |
| 03:48 | it's also harder to learn | |
| 03:48 | dcook | It is |
| 03:48 | eythian | steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little. |
| 03:48 | dcook | Ideally, it would be nice to have two interfaces |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | much harder to climb though ;) |
| 03:48 | dcook | eythian: That's downright quoteable |
| 03:49 | Initially learning to program: steep learning curve | |
| 03:49 | eythian | wizzyrea: no it isn't, because it takes you less time to do so. |
| 03:49 | dcook | Trying to program well: way more shallow and difficult.. |
| 03:49 | * dcook | agrees |
| 03:49 | dcook | Anyway, got to go |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | lol I guess that depends on when you think you're done learning |
| 03:49 | and if there's ever an end | |
| 03:50 | eythian | not really, if it's a graph, it's best when it's steep. |
| 03:50 | dcook | life-long learning of steep learning curves :p |
| 03:50 | ok, really going now | |
| 03:50 | eythian | time on X, amount learned on Y |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | mm ok, if we're talking about a graph then yes. |
| 03:52 | if we are talking about effort expended though, no. | |
| 03:52 | eythian | then it wouldn't be a learning curve, it'd be an effort expended curve. |
| 03:52 | curve is just a word for an often-monotonic graph after all. | |
| 03:54 | wizzyrea | I think I could happily argue about this with you all day |
| 04:05 | mtompset | @quote add "eythian:steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little." |
| 04:05 | huginn | mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 04:06 | mtompset | @quote add "eythian:steep learning curves are good, because it means in a short time you learn a lot. It's the shallow ones that are bad because over a long time you learn very little." |
| 04:06 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #279 added. |
| 04:06 | mtompset | @get quote 278 |
| 04:06 | huginn | mtompset: Error: The command "get" is available in the Dunno, Herald, Lart, Quote, and ReleaseDay plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get". |
| 04:06 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 04:06 | mtompset | @quote get 278 |
| 04:06 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #278: "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." (added by mtompset at 03:50 AM, September 17, 2013) |
| 04:07 | mtompset | @quote random |
| 04:07 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #119: "<wasabi> wow, and a pig!!! -> http://www.blainefranger.com/b[…]8_nepali_food.jpg" (added by wasabi at 10:22 AM, January 27, 2011) |
| 04:08 | mtompset | @quote random |
| 04:08 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #214: "obelos: Perhaps this means it's time for HLT to choose a different name so we can all move on with our work without this distraction." (added by mtj at 01:52 AM, August 08, 2012) |
| 04:08 | mtompset | @quote random |
| 04:08 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #199: "chris_n: considering marc is scary to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 02:24 PM, April 09, 2012) |
| 04:08 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 04:08 | mtompset | considering marc? |
| 04:08 | wahanui | considering marc is scarry to us, I can't imagine what it does to patrons |
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| 04:11 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 04:13 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak! |
| 04:13 | Long time no chat. | |
| 04:13 | * mtompset | cheers, "Woo hoo! Triggered all the C4::Biblio changes in this patch." |
| 04:16 | Oak | hello mtompset :) yes... lot of things going on here so no time to chat lately. |
| 04:18 | mtompset | It doesn't help that my timezone has shifted. |
| 04:18 | I should be going to sleep shortly. | |
| 04:18 | It's after midnight here. | |
| 04:18 | Oak | :) yeah |
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| 04:34 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook Oak wizzyrea eythian and anyone else I missed. :) |
| 04:34 | eythian | oh hey, New Zealand now has access to google books |
| 04:36 | ...although it says most of them aren't available, so who knows. | |
| 04:38 | oh, it required me to acknowledge the T&C before they became available. | |
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| 05:34 | johnbljr | Anyone have a good tutorial on generating barcodes? |
| 06:18 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:19 | magnuse | nudge nudge http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software |
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| 06:28 | magnuse | @marc 571 |
| 06:28 | huginn | magnuse: unknown tag 571 |
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| 06:38 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 06:43 | wizzyrea_ | sup |
| 06:43 | cjh | yo |
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| 06:51 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:01 | magnuse | hei! |
| 07:02 | * magnuse | suspects stackexchange is not going to happen |
| 07:04 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
| 07:04 | mtj | heya magnuse, marcelr |
| 07:04 | marcelr | hi mtj |
| 07:05 | mtj | magnuse, yeah - we just cant accept having SE mods closing legitimate questions on our forum… :/ |
| 07:06 | magnuse | yeah, that is a downer |
| 07:06 | mtj | but, as others have recommend - discourse or shapado look good |
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| 07:08 | mtj | …we can run either of those on *our* server, without the threat of random moderators trashing the site ^^ |
| 07:09 | magnuse | yay! anyone volunteering to install? |
| 07:12 | mtj | afaik, not yet |
| 07:13 | magnuse | ruby seems to be the cool kid on the block these days... |
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| 07:14 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:27 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:27 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:27 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:27 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 20.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:29 | cait | morning #koha |
| 08:44 | magnuse | guten morgen holiday-cait! |
| 08:44 | cait | morning :) |
| 09:22 | Oak | i can try/set-up Discourse on my computer, and if it works there, I can set up a micro instance on AWS for you guys to play with... |
| 09:22 | hello cait \o | |
| 09:23 | cait | hi Oak :) |
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| 09:23 | cait | hi kathryn_ |
| 09:23 | wrong time of day! :) | |
| 09:24 | kathryn_ | I know! :) hi cait :) |
| 09:28 | cait | but yu are not still working i hope? |
| 09:53 | wizzyrea_ | sup kathryn_ :) |
| 09:54 | kathryn_ | hiyee I'm just lurking around, reading home renovation blogs :) |
| 09:54 | wizzyrea_ | oooo |
| 09:57 | kathryn_ | noone blogs entertainingly about fixing leaks |
| 09:58 | wizzyrea_ | surely there's a joke to be made about filling crevices with silicone |
| 09:58 | kathryn_ | aye! |
| 09:59 | maybe this is my inter-niche | |
| 10:00 | magnuse | tee hee |
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| 10:06 | magnuse | wb wizzyrea_ |
| 10:06 | wizzyrea_ | lol the hazards of using a web based irc client. |
| 10:06 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 10:06 | wizzyrea_ | i had to rebuild my laptop, hasn't been a priority to get konversation set up again :) |
| 10:16 | magnuse | wizzyrea_: rebuild physically, or just reinstall software? |
| 10:16 | wizzyrea_ | well a little of both |
| 10:16 | i kind of burned up mine >.> | |
| 10:16 | magnuse | ouch?!? |
| 10:17 | wizzyrea_ | well laptops and pillows don't seem to mix >.> |
| 10:23 | magnuse | heh |
| 10:34 | * Oak | always puts a flat clipboard under his laptop... when using in bed |
| 10:35 | cait | huge comic book here |
| 10:36 | Oak | :) ooh comic book! |
| 10:37 | geek aleret | |
| 10:37 | cait | heh |
| 10:45 | Oak | i was thinking, that forums like phpbb may also be a good fit for us. in a phpbb forum we can have sub-forums like General, Announcements, Programming, jQuery, OPAC, and then topics inside them. this way things get organized a bit. and our community is quite sensible one so there won't be huge mess of topics. and in that "forumy" sense, Discourse looks good too. I saw this: http://ubuntu-discourse.org/ |
| 10:45 | cait | hm i don't like forums much personally |
| 10:45 | Oak | hm |
| 10:45 | elaborate a bit.... | |
| 10:46 | cait | but that's me :) i am complicated |
| 10:46 | trying.. | |
| 10:46 | i think thinks get easily lost in their | |
| 10:46 | i like the rating idea for good answers | |
| 10:47 | because if a form thread has like.. 10 pages it gets hard to follow, like with some of those looong bug discussions we tend to have | |
| 10:47 | Oak | yeah rating system is great. i read an answer with most UPs in SE and just ignore the other answers... saves time. |
| 10:47 | cait | think things... |
| 10:47 | Oak | you have a point. |
| 10:48 | * Oak | will google "forum+rating+system" |
| 10:49 | cait | i think the stack exchange idea was good |
| 10:49 | just having it on an independent platform | |
| 10:50 | Oak | hm |
| 10:51 | http://meta.stackoverflow.com/[…]k-overflow-clones | |
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| 11:06 | Oak | 'shapado' looks interesting |
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| 11:10 | Oak | but no. we need something free I think. |
| 11:12 | cait | yep |
| 11:12 | doing dishes bbl | |
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| 11:22 | magnuse | shapado is free software, agpl |
| 11:22 | they just try to hide it :-) | |
| 11:23 | at the bottom here: https://shapado.com/plans it says "Powered by Shapado 4.1.0 under the GNU Affero General Public License" and there is a link to http://gitorious.org/shapado | |
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| 12:00 | Oak | ooh let me check that |
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| 12:01 | Oak | where is the download link magnuse? let's download 100 copies of it asap!! |
| 12:01 | oh wait. clone repository! | |
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| 12:19 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:21 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
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| 12:26 | magnuse | clone all the repositories! |
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| 12:45 | oleonard | Sorry, but if someone starts a Koha phpbb forum I will not be visiting. |
| 12:46 | cait | you don't like forums either? |
| 12:47 | oleonard | No. Too hard to keep up with. If I'm forced to visit every day to find out what's new I just won't. |
| 12:47 | cait | true |
| 12:48 | magnuse | yup |
| 12:48 | oleonard | I'm open to the stack exchange model because it could act as a sort of FAQ system. I don't see a need for a new discussion venue. |
| 12:49 | cait | oleonard: well put :) |
| 12:49 | i agree, but I couldn't really explain my aversion to forums earlier | |
| 12:51 | oleonard | With any discussion system you need to be able to quickly scan through to see if there are topics which are relevant to you and ignore the rest. I think email is best for this because I'm already reading email throughout the day. |
| 12:52 | * cait | nods |
| 12:54 | oleonard | Bug 2969 could use some second and third opinions with regard to gmcharlt's last comment |
| 12:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, In Discussion , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Good enough, or needs more work? |
| 12:57 | cait | hm i think a good first step - i'd take that and do a separate bug for more screw tigthening |
| 12:57 | :) | |
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| 13:03 | cait | oleonard: commented |
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| 13:03 | oleonard | Thanks cait |
| 13:03 | cait | yw |
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| 13:10 | magnuse | oleonard++ cait++ |
| 13:10 | cait | hm? |
| 13:10 | druthb | cait++ |
| 13:11 | oleonard | Yes, us++ for being awake! |
| 13:11 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 13:13 | * cait | hides |
| 13:14 | magnuse | for moving bugs along, one comment at a time :-) |
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| 13:41 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:46 | cait | morning tcohen |
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| 14:00 | Joubu | thanks oleonard for the followup on bug 10858 |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Browse selected biblios |
| 14:00 | oleonard | You're welcome |
| 14:07 | Bug 10951 is a good idea, but it would have been nice to implement it in a Koha News kind of way, with different values for different languages | |
| 14:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, ASSIGNED , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences |
| 14:08 | cait | oleonard: true for every new preference like that |
| 14:08 | i like that they kept the translatable standard message in the template | |
| 14:08 | i think it looks like noone is going to implement it as 'news' currently :( | |
| 14:09 | * oleonard | would do it if he were smart that way |
| 14:09 | cait | similar problem here |
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| 14:16 | oleonard | Maybe cait1 knows how to do it. She's the latest version! |
| 14:16 | Oak | i was about to say a similar thing |
| 14:16 | cait1 | i have 3 big building sites in the neighboorhood |
| 14:16 | and my interent is down :( | |
| 14:16 | ... | |
| 14:16 | back using umts | |
| 14:18 | tcohen | i cait1 |
| 14:18 | s/^i/hi/ | |
| 14:18 | Oak | aye aye cait1 |
| 14:21 | it should be "run forrest run" | |
| 14:21 | double r | |
| 14:24 | Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run Forrest run! | http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software | |
| 14:24 | oleonard | Let it not be said I didn't get anything done today. |
| 14:27 | Joubu: I think it's odd that msaby and I both got the same error testing Bug 10857 (an error I've never gotten before) but I will retest today. | |
| 14:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation |
| 14:29 | Joubu | oleonard: yes, but I think the jajm's patch will definitly fix the issue |
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| 14:34 | slef | @marc 245 b |
| 14:34 | huginn | slef: Remainder of title |
| 14:34 | slef | @marc 245 |
| 14:34 | huginn | slef: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] |
| 14:34 | slef | wahanui: MARC? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | MARC is probably the standard that isn't |
| 14:34 | slef | wahanui: MARC21? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | i heard MARC21 was at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
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| 14:47 | alaquerre | Hi all, question for everyone : Is there a way in Koha to work with Alfresco ? The goal we have here is to put pdf and word document inside Alfresco. After that, if we query Koha, we would like to get result from Alfresco ? Possible ? |
| 14:47 | cait | not without catalouging something in Koha |
| 14:48 | slef | or configuring pazpar2? |
| 14:48 | cait | maybe |
| 14:48 | there is a patch from Jesse to have external z39.50 targets but it's currently stuck | |
| 14:48 | waiting for rebase | |
| 14:48 | slef | does Alfresco speak z39.50 or similar |
| 14:48 | ? | |
| 14:48 | cait | I would be surprised :( |
| 14:48 | alaquerre | I can't tell |
| 14:48 | slef | Does anyone know why does fieldmapping.sql only exist in uk-UA and ru-RU? |
| 14:49 | cait | slef: no, but they have done some things different than others |
| 14:49 | what is in the file? | |
| 14:49 | slef: actually i wanted to ask you about a bug when you showed up | |
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| 14:50 | slef | sets up subtitle in two frameworks |
| 14:50 | cait | slef: ah, no i don't think the other languages have that |
| 14:50 | slef | cait: you can try but I have no spare koha time until 1 Oct ;-) |
| 14:50 | @query subtitle | |
| 14:50 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4166 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , No way to know what keywords to use for Keyword Mapping |
| 14:50 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Allow a better form of the title to be included in notices | |
| 14:50 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6016 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Keyword Mapping Should Work with XSLT turned on | |
| 14:50 | cait | that's ok |
| 14:50 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7074 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , keyword mapping on checkin and checkout screen |
| 14:50 | cait | just need an info |
| 14:50 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10383 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , printable version of bib record doesn't include subtitle in staff client |
| 14:51 | cait | slef: bug 7716 |
| 14:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7716 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Statistical/analytic item type |
| 14:51 | cait | you marked it sponsored,so I wondered if there was something i could start from already if I tried to do something like that :) |
| 14:52 | slef | oh yeah |
| 14:52 | cait | I'd really like to have that for our ILL workflow and copies of articles the user gets to keep |
| 14:52 | obviously such a thing wouldn'tmake it into 3.14 | |
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| 14:52 | cait | but i'd like to start sometime soon after the release |
| 14:52 | slef | There's wip/bug_7716 on the server I'm working on right now. |
| 14:53 | cait | can you give me a link? |
| 14:53 | and would it be ok to take a look? keeping your work intact of course | |
| 14:53 | slef | Sadly not but If you can remind me the send-email command, I'll send it across. |
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| 14:53 | slef | or if it's published, I can rebase and git bz it |
| 14:53 | cait | do you meant git send-email -f um commit or something like that? |
| 14:53 | slef | but if it isn't there may be a reason |
| 14:54 | so I'd need to check what we did wrong :-/ | |
| 14:54 | (client data leak, usually) | |
| 14:54 | cait | oh |
| 14:54 | hm | |
| 14:54 | well if you could put it somewhere on your list it would be nice | |
| 14:54 | slef | if it leaks, I'll send it to you because I trust you |
| 14:54 | cait | aww |
| 14:54 | slef | but I won't publish it |
| 14:54 | cait | what do you mean by client data leak? |
| 14:55 | slef | it hardcodes some aspect of the sponsoring library |
| 14:55 | I'm forever trying to avoid them, but sometimes they still sneak through. | |
| 14:55 | cait | ah ok, hm problematic |
| 14:56 | slef | Sometimes I even create them when I need a particular value or behaviour and I've no way for koha to do it yet. |
| 14:57 | cait | hm we will have to take that out then I think - before anything could go on bugzilla |
| 14:57 | slef | yeah but it should give you a start |
| 14:57 | cait | that would be cool |
| 14:59 | slef | OK it's been a while. When filing a new bug, do I click "New Case" or "New Run"? |
| 14:59 | oleonard | Wow, I am quite consistently crashing Firefox by clicking a link in OPAC search results. I wonder what the trick is? |
| 15:00 | slef | wahanui: bug reporting guidelines? |
| 15:00 | wahanui | wish i knew, slef |
| 15:00 | slef | wahanui: bug reporting? |
| 15:00 | wahanui | rumour has it bug reporting is explained at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]orting_Guidelines |
| 15:00 | slef | Choose "Enter a new bug" |
| 15:00 | cait | slef: neither, new abit above |
| 15:00 | yep that one :) | |
| 15:00 | slef | errr, where's that then? |
| 15:00 | cait | the other is a plugin ... i have no idea still what it does |
| 15:00 | rangi and gmcharlt were testing something | |
| 15:01 | slef: first row of links: Home | New | |
| 15:01 | * slef | tries "File a bug" on the home page, muttering about incorrect docs and the need to redirect his openID to something that still works |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | cait: slef: testopia -- an add-on to allow test cases to be written and linked to bugs |
| 15:02 | a few have been written, but I've not had much time to take the experiment further | |
| 15:02 | cait | gmcharlt: i tried playin with it, but i was not able to figure out how it would work |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt: can you point to an example? | |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt: it's all empty for me when i open it and go through the tabs and tree structure | |
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| 15:07 | slef | Bug 6716 |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6716 enhancement, P3, ---, nengard, RESOLVED FIXED, Database Documentation |
| 15:07 | slef | The attachment you are attempting to access has been removed. |
| 15:07 | yay | |
| 15:07 | oh I'll do git log --grep=... | |
| 15:08 | Bug 10953 has been added to the database | |
| 15:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10953 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Missing subtitle fieldmapping unless you use ru-RU or uk-UA |
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| 15:11 | cait | slef: what's the problem with the file? :) |
| 15:11 | the mapping is a default feature | |
| 15:12 | so we could provide a sample file, but there it should not cause you any problems if you miss the configuration | |
| 15:12 | and i think it only works without xslt | |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | cait: here's an example http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ase.cgi?case_id=1 |
| 15:23 | cait | i am not uathorized :( |
| 15:24 | You are not authorized to view case 1 | |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | ah, that would be a problem :) |
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| 15:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:24 | rambutan | hi mtompset |
| 15:25 | mtompset | Greetings, rambutan. |
| 15:26 | gmcharlt | cait: OK, please try again |
| 15:26 | slef | cait: there is no file |
| 15:27 | cait: xslt transforms marcxml IIRC so sidesteps the issue, but as long as Normal View is default, I think we should make it easier to show subtitles | |
| 15:27 | cait | slef: that's ok - maybe we should change the default tho at some point |
| 15:27 | hm maybe we did | |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt: can access now | |
| 15:28 | but have to run to the post office | |
| 15:28 | will take a closer look a little later | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Who wants to try to crash Firefox? Do a keyword search, click on one of the results. Click the author link on the detail page to perform an author search. Click a facet in the author search results. Click a title on the resulting search results. |
| 15:43 | * slef | does that |
| 15:43 | * cait | grumps |
| 15:43 | cait | they are on vacation |
| 15:43 | slef | the post office? |
| 15:44 | cait | and i have this huge package i can barely carry |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Trying it in Chrome doesn't result in a crash but the page has been endlessly loading. |
| 15:44 | cait | that needs to get sent back today or tomorrow |
| 15:44 | slef | oleonard: no crash, but I think I may be endlessly loading. |
| 15:44 | cait | slef: not german post... but the shop where i need to bring the package to that was in walking distance |
| 15:44 | slef | oleonard: I think I just did two subject searches in a while. |
| 15:44 | aieee server down | |
| 15:45 | cait | that is so annoying. |
| 15:46 | slef | not down, just slow |
| 15:46 | mysqld hogging | |
| 15:47 | * slef | tries it again |
| 15:47 | slef | ok, now it's working... the mysqld slowdown may have been unrelated |
| 15:47 | oleonard: sorry, worksforme in 3.10 (I think) | |
| 15:50 | rambutan | facet? |
| 15:50 | slef | rambutan: I think he means the "Refine your search" bit on the left |
| 15:51 | BICBW | |
| 15:52 | kivilahtio__ | Phew! Just generalized the UseLibraryTransferLimits to limit holds as well. |
| 15:53 | oleonard | Works for me in 3.10 too |
| 15:53 | But not in master | |
| 15:53 | kivilahtio__ | 6h, not bad considering this is my first modification test thingy |
| 15:53 | +some debugging time | |
| 15:53 | I mean time to properly configure the CGI debugging tools | |
| 15:54 | * cait | arranged that it will be picked up on saturday - yay |
| 15:54 | rambutan | oleonard: I'm clearly not doing things right, but it works for me |
| 15:54 | oleonard | rambutan: In master? |
| 15:54 | cait | ok gone again :) |
| 15:54 | rambutan | ah, no |
| 15:56 | cait | kivilahtio__: make sure you file a bug and give back your modifications |
| 15:56 | kivilahtio__: being stuck on highly modified koha is evil :) | |
| 15:57 | oleonard | Facets. Facets facets facets. @query facets |
| 15:57 | @query facets | |
| 15:57 | huginn | oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1964 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facetted searching should change search box |
| 15:57 | oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9361 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC 610 and 611 fields in bulk imports are not linked to authorities | |
| 15:57 | oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3451 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , No facets for tags search | |
| 15:57 | oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , tags not searchable | |
| 15:57 | oleonard: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8026 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Facets code should allow to build facets on controlfields | |
| 15:58 | oleonard | Yes, I'm pretty sure facets are a thing. |
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| 16:24 | oleonard | I was hoping Bug 10952 would cure that crash, but no. |
| 16:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10952 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Store anonymous search history in session |
| 16:32 | oleonard | Happens with search history disabled and with browse results disabled. |
| 16:36 | mtompset | Okay... more progress. Need to figure out how to trigger baskets. |
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| 16:51 | mtompset | SPLIT! |
| 16:51 | YAY! I figured out how to trigger the basket.pl | |
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| 17:24 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 17:24 | druthb | magnuse! |
| 17:24 | wahanui | magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
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| 17:28 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen druthb magnuse, etc. :) |
| 17:28 | magnuse | hiya mtompset |
| 17:29 | druthb | hi, mtompset! :) |
| 17:29 | wahanui: mtompset? | |
| 17:29 | wahanui | mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush. |
| 17:29 | mtompset | Close. |
| 17:30 | Testing a patch like crazy in hopes that it makes feature freeze. | |
| 17:36 | magnuse | mtompset++ |
| 17:36 | mtompset | Thanks, magnuse. :) |
| 17:56 | * mtompset | sighs. |
| 17:56 | mtompset | What is recommended if the behaviour handling is poor for bad data cases? |
| 17:56 | Signoff and note bad cases? | |
| 17:56 | cait | if something bad happens |
| 17:57 | mtompset | Not signoff, and note bad cases? |
| 17:57 | cait | you should note it |
| 17:57 | it always depends, i don't know what you've found | |
| 17:57 | but trying to break the feature with wrong input should always be part of the testing | |
| 17:57 | mtompset | The page allows for uploading files. |
| 17:57 | Well, if you don't specify where, and click submit, it still uploads the file, but gives and error. | |
| 17:58 | cait | a perl error? |
| 17:58 | wahanui | a perl error is not realted to that feature |
| 17:58 | mtompset | It shouldn't upload at all in that case. |
| 17:58 | no, an "We didn't like this" type error which is programmed. | |
| 17:58 | cait | it does sound probleamtic yes |
| 17:58 | but if it still uploads and does state it didn't... that's problematic | |
| 17:59 | mtompset | exactly. |
| 17:59 | it uploads, but the error makes it sound like it failed. | |
| 17:59 | so when you try again... it fails again. | |
| 17:59 | and you are forced to read the error logs to determine why. | |
| 17:59 | cait | is there any security measure about what kind of files you can uplaod? |
| 17:59 | where are they saved to? | |
| 18:00 | mtompset | You can upload ANYTHING that is a file. |
| 18:00 | though, I suspect large files may time out (haven't gotten there yet) | |
| 18:00 | cait | ahum. |
| 18:00 | where does it end up? | |
| 18:00 | mtompset | as for where. |
| 18:00 | you configure that in the koha-conf.xml | |
| 18:01 | and you can create sub-directories from within that directory to allow for grouping. | |
| 18:01 | There is no way to get it to write outside those directories as far as I can tell. | |
| 18:02 | tcohen | cait: this is wrong, right? http://snag.gy/Ea0X8.jpg |
| 18:02 | the ' -- ' after 'by' | |
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| 18:03 | cait | hm that's non xslt I think? |
| 18:03 | tcohen | no, that's XSLT |
| 18:03 | cait | for UNIMARC? |
| 18:03 | tcohen | MARC21 |
| 18:03 | cait | oh |
| 18:03 | then it looks weird | |
| 18:03 | jcamins | tcohen: it's for corporate authors. |
| 18:03 | tcohen | the register only has 710$a and 710$b |
| 18:04 | i'm fixing bug 10957 | |
| 18:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) |
| 18:04 | jcamins | I don't remember why, but there was a reason that corporate authors are introduced with double dashes. |
| 18:04 | tcohen | oh, it is intended then |
| 18:04 | not a visualizatio bug | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | Yeah, but I wouldn't have any objection to removing it. |
| 18:04 | * cait | looks up train connections to and from the airport :) |
| 18:06 | tcohen | should i add dot at the end? |
| 18:07 | * mtompset | smirks, "-- . $$!" |
| 18:07 | mtompset | Librarians have their own formatting quirkiness. |
| 18:07 | cait | oh please no dots |
| 18:07 | people here tell me they look silly | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | What cait is saying is that libraries are already dotty. |
| 18:11 | magnuse | too true! :-) |
| 18:11 | anyone else had trouble opening the value builders in the cataloguing screen in internet explorer? | |
| 18:11 | ie-- | |
| 18:11 | cait | not yet, but i haven't tried |
| 18:12 | mtompset | Oh... good testing idea. |
| 18:12 | cait | i think it was ok in the training i did |
| 18:13 | mtompset | Oh right... I need cookies. |
| 18:14 | jcamins | magnuse: works fine in IE10. |
| 18:14 | Ugh. | |
| 18:14 | How did I end up with IE10? | |
| 18:14 | * jcamins | goes questing for older versions. |
| 18:15 | magnuse | jcamins, cait: thanks. it could possibly be that normarc does things differently than marc21 - i have not kept up to date with some changes that were done for marc21 (and probably unimarc)... |
| 18:15 | jcamins | Here's IE8. I shall try. |
| 18:15 | oleonard | IE10 is sneaky |
| 18:15 | jcamins | Works in IE8. |
| 18:17 | magnuse | thanks jcamins |
| 18:17 | oleonard | I'm perplexed by this, so I'll ask again: Is anyone else seeing collection codes listed under Item type search facets? |
| 18:17 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 18:17 | cait | sorry, can't test righ tnow |
| 18:17 | jcamins | oleonard: nopes. |
| 18:17 | s/s// | |
| 18:18 | mtompset | -- . :P |
| 18:18 | oleonard | Anyone have any suggestions for where I might look to confirm that I have wonky data causing this? |
| 18:19 | mtompset | Oops... I wonder. |
| 18:19 | @karma mtompset | |
| 18:19 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 38 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 35. |
| 18:20 | oleonard | Looking at the patch on Bug 4255 it looks like it looks for 952y and 942c? |
| 18:20 | mtompset | Okay... whew. Didn't accidentally -- myself. :) |
| 18:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, RESOLVED FIXED, Add item type to facet list |
| 18:23 | oleonard | Clicking on one of these collection code facets breaks the functionality of Bug 10857 so I'd like to confirm that it's a data problem |
| 18:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10857 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Add facets cancellation |
| 18:24 | tcohen | bug 10957, attached the patch |
| 18:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , 710$a with 710$b (subordinate unit) present shows wrong (XSLT) |
| 18:27 | cait | oleonard: check the item information for the result list? |
| 18:28 | oleonard | I've queried the database for items with invalid itemtypes/ccodes and come up empty. |
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| 18:34 | cait | hm |
| 18:34 | oleonard: full reindex? | |
| 18:34 | it looks at the zebra data i think | |
| 18:34 | oleonard | I think I found it |
| 18:36 | I'm finding collection codes in 942a | |
| 18:36 | cait | oh |
| 18:36 | mtompset | cait: Is that last comment friendlier testing steps on bug 6874? |
| 18:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 18:37 | cait | mtompset: yes |
| 18:37 | where is your problem description? | |
| 18:37 | ah i see | |
| 18:38 | the issues note :) | |
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| 18:39 | mtompset | ccodes? Did someone say ccodes? |
| 18:39 | I was noticing a warning in the error logs related to ccodes last night. | |
| 18:44 | oleonard | So, hooray. We have junky data. What else is new I guess. |
| 18:44 | Being a pioneer of Koha adoption carries some risk of cruft I think | |
| 18:45 | jcamins | Being a library carries some risk of cruft. |
| 18:45 | * cait | hands oleonard cookies |
| 18:45 | jcamins | Cookies. Yum. |
| 18:45 | What kind of cookies should I make? | |
| 18:46 | mtompset | Junky data is good. It means it isn't your fault, unless you do the cataloguing. :) |
| 18:47 | Oooo... cookie ideas... let me see.. I should send you a page suggestion on facebook. | |
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| 18:53 | rambutan | yea, I intend to do that |
| 18:54 | cait; well, I think you'd need to show up here once a week or so | |
| 18:54 | cait | that oculd be difficult then |
| 18:54 | too bad :) | |
| 18:54 | rambutan | oleonard: ah, no, but she's very supportive of open source in general and Koha and IT (me) |
| 18:55 | @seen wizzyrea | |
| 18:55 | huginn | rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 15 hours and 36 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I think I could happily argue about this with you all day |
| 18:55 | * oleonard | doesn't like the job description in that case |
| 18:55 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 18:55 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.8°C (8:55 PM CEST on September 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:03 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
| 19:07 | oleonard | Sure, he says that. But then just 12 hours later he's back as if he didn't trust us to make it 24 hours. |
| 19:08 | cait | heh |
| 19:08 | * cait | is torturing druthb with her travel preparations |
| 19:08 | cait | druthb++ |
| 19:09 | druthb | :P |
| 19:09 | oleonard | For Reno? |
| 19:10 | druthb | yah. |
| 19:10 | oleonard | Poor druthb (and jcamins!), getting there so late |
| 19:10 | druthb | also, flying in the US is so unlike the rest of the known universe... |
| 19:10 | oleonard | A whole day of kohacon without you |
| 19:11 | rangi paul_p and cait are going to be like Reno natives by the time the rest of us arrive | |
| 19:12 | jcamins | curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
| 19:12 | wahanui | curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
| 19:13 | oleonard | @later tell wizzyrea Something is going wrong with the responsive demo |
| 19:13 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:13 | oleonard | druthb: You still planning to drive? |
| 19:16 | cait | oleonard: i hope to get there without a day of delay this time |
| 19:16 | but at least i am prepared for that! | |
| 19:19 | druthb | oleonard: nope. flyin' in. |
| 19:25 | oleonard | Can I use mysql to search for records with an invalid value in 942c? |
| 19:25 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, but not easily. |
| 19:26 | Actually, that's not true. It's easy. | |
| 19:26 | What I meant was, do it when the library's not too busy. | |
| 19:29 | * oleonard | is all eyeballs |
| 19:31 | jcamins | SELECT biblionumber FROM biblioitems WHERE ExtractValue(marcxml,'//datafield[@tag="942"]/subfield[@code="c"]') IN (SELECT itemtype FROM itemtypes); |
| 19:34 | oleonard | Thanks jcamins |
| 20:03 | * wizzyrea | made it in before oleonard left |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | this is amazing |
| 20:03 | ebegin | Sorry for the spam on the bugs mailing list. We are experimenting the commit process for our development. |
| 20:03 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 20:04 | I've been slack this week, left early every day until today | |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:04 | * jcamins | contemplates sweet potato pie. |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | mmm that would be yummy |
| 20:05 | oleonard: looking at it now | |
| 20:05 | ebegin | We are commiting the "I forget my password" features. I'm sure a lot of libraries are waiting for this ;) |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | yep definitely |
| 20:07 | cait | ebegin: yep - that's nice! |
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| 20:27 | rambutan | @seen wizzyrea |
| 20:27 | huginn | rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 21 minutes and 2 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> yep definitely |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:27 | sup | |
| 20:27 | (yes, I know, I'm working on it | |
| 20:34 | * gmcharlt | wonders how many folks use the patches list nowadays |
| 20:35 | jcamins | gmcharlt: not so many. |
| 20:35 | cait | oleonard mostly :) |
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| 20:35 | jcamins | tcohen also. |
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| 20:49 | magnuse | have fun, #koha! |
| 20:49 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 20:49 | Bye, magnuse? :) | |
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| 20:50 | magnuse | see ya mtompset |
| 20:50 | mtompset | gmcharlt: I have a question about the idea of using jquery to re-write text. |
| 20:50 | That doesn't translate, does it? | |
| 20:51 | jcamins | mtompset: not with a single line. |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | depends on one's jQuery |
| 20:51 | mtompset | So it is possible to write the jquery to detect the language and generate output accordingly? |
| 20:51 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 20:52 | cait | mtompset: what are yo utrying to do? |
| 20:52 | mtompset | not trying to do anything. |
| 20:52 | I'm thinking about bug 10951 that the new guy posted about. | |
| 20:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences |
| 20:53 | cait | hm but that's not done using javascript |
| 20:53 | but i use javascript to have multiple languages now, would love for a better solution | |
| 20:54 | system preferences are lmited, something like the news system would be better suited for our various customizable areas | |
| 20:54 | mtompset | I know. gmcharlt was suggesting jquery would be better for that scenario. |
| 20:54 | cait | mtompset: i think i am confused. |
| 20:54 | gmcharlt | better the jQuery than a new, limited-purpose syspref |
| 20:55 | jcamins | The jQuery is more translatable, if that's your question. |
| 20:55 | mtompset | true. sysprefs are dynamic like jquery. |
| 20:55 | cait | gmcharlt: hm not sure here - i like the way that is done- they keep the old message in the templates and only overwrite it |
| 20:55 | mtompset | aern't. |
| 20:55 | cait | seems not fair to require them to write a new translatable system i guess |
| 20:55 | gmcharlt | cait: and add yet another syspref when the existing ones can suffice |
| 20:55 | cait | and javascript is still pretty limited and might cause problems |
| 20:56 | * gmcharlt | is not a member of the syspref all the things club -- I really do think that we have a responsibility to not over-proliferate them |
| 20:56 | cait | i think all the html prefs should go into a different tool ultimately |
| 20:56 | gmcharlt | I agree with that |
| 20:56 | cait | but in terms of accessibility and such i like not depending on jquery where i can avoid it |
| 20:57 | gmcharlt | well, there is an alternative mechanism already in place for that |
| 20:57 | use the translation system + custom PO files to manage tweaks | |
| 20:57 | cait | gmcharlt: custom po files won#t work for english easily |
| 20:57 | and they are a PITA to maintain | |
| 20:58 | well in my experience that is, there is a place for htem | |
| 20:58 | but yo uwould have to do 2 | |
| 20:58 | a special english one | |
| 20:58 | and another for every language you want to have | |
| 20:59 | having a differnet english one could make you run into some of the problems we have because you can't really define a standard language and browser detection and all that | |
| 20:59 | not sure how doable that is | |
| 20:59 | mtompset | Sorry... didn't mean to bring up the whole translation mess. |
| 20:59 | cait | for the login message you'd need one for each library |
| 20:59 | maybe i misunderstand tho. hm. | |
| 21:00 | gmcharlt | a new syspref by itself doesn't help any of that |
| 21:00 | * gmcharlt | is not disputing that there are pleny of ways that the translation system could be improved and made more usable |
| 21:00 | cait | it's actually not that bad :) |
| 21:00 | gmcharlt | and, for the matter, easier to use as an alternative mechanism for customiizing strings |
| 21:00 | cait | but i think it's not right to misuse it for customizing |
| 21:02 | translations are translations, but if you want it to say differently for every library i thik customizable areas that a library can edit easily are better | |
| 21:02 | mtompset | misuse jquery's for customizing? |
| 21:02 | cait | misuse pos |
| 21:02 | * cait | is not sure how she ended up argueing wth gmcharlt |
| 21:03 | gmcharlt | cait: we *are* allowed to have differences of opinion :) |
| 21:03 | cait | I am not sure i like it :) |
| 21:03 | gmcharlt | from my POV, the translation system can be viewed as a general-purpose string repliacement tool |
| 21:03 | cait | i think it's not well suited for that |
| 21:03 | mtompset | YAY! Another person who understands differences of opinion does not preclude civility and friendship. :) |
| 21:03 | cait | you have to run jobs on the server |
| 21:04 | and when you run and maintain lots of very different libraries... | |
| 21:04 | gmcharlt | hence the possiblity of it taking care of translations -- but I do recognize that there would be operational difficulties every time one upgraded |
| 21:04 | cait | and there is lots of translation work to do, yes |
| 21:04 | i can only imagine it a nightmare | |
| 21:04 | it already often is | |
| 21:04 | fixing all the typos one missed | |
| 21:05 | and doing that for every and each po file for every library you changed something like a login message... | |
| 21:05 | especially the login message is a good example - because every library has different default passwords and instructions how to type in the numbers printed on the student id card or whatever | |
| 21:05 | i actually wanted that to be customizable for a longer time now :) | |
| 21:06 | i even pondered doing that syspref :) | |
| 21:06 | mtompset | Well, the bug still needs a couple tweaks (as I pointed out in my comment). |
| 21:06 | * gmcharlt | has a customer who has but a single library, but 5-6 translation active |
| 21:06 | gmcharlt | that's one thing informing my POV on this |
| 21:07 | mtompset | True, a syspref would not solve that problem. |
| 21:07 | cait | gmcharlt: we always offer english and gemran, but we have one with 4 languages active |
| 21:07 | mtompset | But for libraries with a single language interface, a syspref works just fine. |
| 21:08 | cait | and I maintain my own po files for the manuscript library we have |
| 21:09 | but i am not sure i get the point hm. | |
| 21:11 | gmcharlt | cait: point being that a syspref doesn't currently have any way to specify multiple translations of its value |
| 21:12 | though that would be an ability well worth teaching the syspref sytem | |
| 21:12 | cait | gmcharlt: either that or take it out into a tool |
| 21:12 | there are lots of things that don't translate into multiple languages sadly | |
| 21:13 | itemtype descriptions, authorised value descriptions... | |
| 21:13 | everything that is visible in the opac owuld be nice to have | |
| 21:13 | gmcharlt | yeah, one of the things marcelr has been poking at would help solve that problem |
| 21:13 | cait | hm? |
| 21:14 | gmcharlt | a mechanism for storing, in the database, translations for strings that are also stored in the database |
| 21:14 | so that you could say, here's my library name in en-NZ, and in de-DE, and in fr-FR, etc. | |
| 21:15 | cait | hm i haven't had time yet to take a look at his work for the sample installer files |
| 21:15 | which is a pity | |
| 21:15 | but yes, something like that | |
| 21:16 | a way to specify your standard language for fallbacks, and a way to store translations for strings noting which language they are | |
| 21:16 | things like that | |
| 21:16 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 21:17 | cait | hope druthb_away listens in ... I think she gives a presentation about that at kohacon ;) |
| 21:17 | well about translation problems i think | |
| 21:17 | hm it's late, i should finish this - brb | |
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| 21:21 | cait | gmcharlt: another thought maybe why i am not so happy with jquery - many of my coworkers are using plugins turning off any javascript they don't explicitly allow on websites |
| 21:21 | the message would never be visible in that case - or very hard to spot | |
| 21:22 | so with a pref i can at least show the german message always - and toggle the english one using jquery | |
| 21:22 | not perfect... but a little better | |
| 21:24 | gmcharlt | yeah, I can see that -- but where would it end? that argument would justify making a syspref of just about every distinct bit of text that a library might wish to customize |
| 21:24 | not that anybody would seriously propose that of course | |
| 21:28 | cait | nope :) |
| 21:29 | just saying that bit proposed here is one we evenallowed to customize in our horizon opacs | |
| 21:29 | i was all against changing the name of the cart by syspref some time ago | |
| 21:29 | ok, now really gone for a bit - i haven't even had dinner tonight yet | |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | yeah, it runs into the question of wishing that all of the effort on tackling individual aspects of the same problem were concentrated into a buidling a broader solution |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | broader_solutions++ |
| 21:40 | cait | gmcharlt: hm I think we can agree on that :) |
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| 22:27 | eythian | hi |
| 22:28 | wahanui: it works is <reply>But it also eats babies. | |
| 22:28 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:28 | cait | lol |
| 22:28 | eythian | wahanui: it works is also <reply>However, now everything else is broken. |
| 22:28 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:28 | eythian | wahanui: it works is also <reply>For now... |
| 22:28 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:28 | eythian | wahanui: it works is also <reply>You should blog about it. |
| 22:28 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:29 | eythian | wahanui: literal it works |
| 22:29 | wahanui | eythian: it works =is= <reply>But it also eats babies.|<reply>However, now everything else is broken.|<reply>For now...|<reply>You should blog about it. |
| 22:29 | gmcharlt | wahanui: it works is also <reply>But now the Universe has disappeared |
| 22:29 | wahanui | okay, gmcharlt. |
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| 22:35 | rambutan | it works? |
| 22:35 | wahanui | But now the Universe has disappeared |
| 22:35 | rambutan | it works? |
| 22:35 | wahanui | You should blog about it. |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | rofl. |
| 22:36 | eythian | In wizzyrea's case, it should be FOSBL (Falling Off Swiss Ball Laughing) |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | ^^ this |
| 22:37 | well I suppose, technically when I'm at work, I am always rolling on the floor by way of a swiss ball. | |
| 22:37 | jcamins | I guess I should be using that too. |
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| 23:04 | trea | it works! |
| 23:04 | wahanui | But now the Universe has disappeared |
| 23:05 | * trea | claps excitedly for wahanui |
| 23:06 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 23:11 | cait | it works! |
| 23:11 | wahanui | But now the Universe has disappeared |
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