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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:11 | dcook | Hmm, looks like my verification email might be getting blitzed way before it reaches my inbox |
| 00:11 | No votes for me.. | |
| 00:14 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 00:37 | dcook | Ooooh. Someone fixed some subject headings in the digital repository and they auto-updated when the OAI-PMH harvester cronjob ran...:D |
| 00:38 | (As planned, of course, but always nice when things work as they should) | |
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| 01:49 | BobB | dcook, re: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Arrivals |
| 01:50 | we arrive within 15 mins of each other (if we're both on time) | |
| 01:50 | Could share a taxi | |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | no votes? I find that surprising |
| 01:58 | eythian | dcook: launchpad |
| 01:58 | wahanui | i think launchpad is bad because it creates accounts for developers without their consent, without telling them, without any way to opt out. |
| 01:58 | eythian | wahanui: forget launchpad |
| 01:58 | wahanui | eythian: I forgot launchpad |
| 02:07 | dcook | BobB: I was thinking that I would just catch the shuttle on the quarter hour, but a cab could certainly be an idea |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea: You can't vote with reputation, and I can't get reputation without the verification email, which isn't getting through :/ | |
| 02:08 | Silencing wahanui, eythian? :p | |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | ah that stinks |
| 02:08 | eythian | have you made it resend? |
| 02:08 | dcook | Yep |
| 02:08 | Thrice | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | whitelist? |
| 02:09 | dcook | I asked them for an address |
| 02:09 | Our mail servers do get hammered so it probably has an address that gets caught up with the junk | |
| 02:10 | eythian: Might you have a URL? | |
| 02:11 | eythian | https://launchpad.net/~eythian <-- well that's my openid |
| 02:12 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSO/FAQs/2FA <-- and info about using it with 2FA is here | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | do-not-replystackexchange.com < who mine came from |
| 02:16 | dcook | Neato, eythian. I'll have to take a look at this sometime. I keep thinking better security would be a good idea... |
| 02:16 | wizzyrea: Thanks, I'll see if that helps | |
| 02:18 | eythian | dcook: I use one slot on my yubikey for openid, and one for SSH: http://www.kallisti.net.nz/blo[…]-logins-with-ssh/ |
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| 02:23 | dcook | Interesting...I was wondering what yubikey was |
| 02:24 | So you plug that into your system and then login to launchpad? | |
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| 02:27 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 02:30 | dcook | hey mtompset |
| 02:30 | wahanui | mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush. |
| 02:32 | eythian | dcook: well, I log in to launchpad and if I haven't used it on this computer for a while, it'll ask for the 2-factor code. To get that, I need to plug the yubikey into the computer and press a button. |
| 02:36 | dcook | Mmm. So you're focused on the screen and then the yubikey inputs it since it acts like a keyboard? |
| 02:36 | Erm. eythian^^ | |
| 02:38 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:38 | dcook | Sweet |
| 02:39 | I might have to look at getting one.. | |
| 02:39 | eythian | the new one I have also does GPG and NFC, which I'm going to play with. |
| 02:39 | dcook | NFC? |
| 02:39 | wahanui | hmmm... NFC is no fine clue |
| 02:40 | eythian | they're cheap enough, US$25 for the regular one, and $50 for the neo which is the NFC and GPG one. |
| 02:40 | Near Field Communication | |
| 02:40 | like phones and RFID cards use. | |
| 02:41 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:41 | eythian | and each one can hold two different keys |
| 02:42 | dcook | Ahh, so it would use NFC with a mobile or whatever else could receive the signal I guess |
| 02:42 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:43 | dcook | Sounds like fun |
| 02:43 | mtompset | The global bug squashing day wasn't as productive as hoped, it would seem. |
| 02:43 | dcook | I keep thinking about playing around with these technologies more but I'm never really sure to what end |
| 02:43 | Aside from signing things, I suppose | |
| 02:45 | eythian | signing, logging in to things, etc. |
| 02:46 | jcamins | You know what I don't understand? Why can't we Anglo-Americans (sorry, NZers and Aussies; and Canadians) produce data as good as what the Germans produce? |
| 02:47 | * dcook | is somewhat confused by jcamins |
| 02:47 | mtompset | Examples? |
| 02:47 | wahanui | well, Examples is same |
| 02:47 | jcamins | dcook: the data from BSZ is just so *nice*. |
| 02:47 | Then we have LC. | |
| 02:47 | eythian | jcamins: have you met Germans? |
| 02:47 | dcook | eythian: I suppose I was thinking about anonymizers, 'secure' operating systems, and so on. |
| 02:47 | hehe | |
| 02:48 | * jcamins | shoots self in foot repeatedly. |
| 02:48 | jcamins | eythian: a few. |
| 02:48 | dcook | I think everything from BSZ is really nice |
| 02:48 | mtompset | BSZ? |
| 02:48 | wahanui | BSZ is right liz :) |
| 02:48 | jcamins | It really seems to be. |
| 02:48 | dcook | Competent cataloguers? |
| 02:48 | Actually...more than competent? | |
| 02:48 | eythian | dcook: ah right. In theory, you could have a key on the yubikey so that it's required to decrypt your home directory when you boot up. |
| 02:49 | dcook | Super cataloguers? |
| 02:49 | eythian | stuff like that. |
| 02:49 | wahanui | it has been said that stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes |
| 02:49 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:49 | eythian: Of course, that's when I lose the yubikey...although I suppose a person should have backups. | |
| 02:50 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:50 | dcook | Although then you need to make sure that those backups are encrypted using a different method.. |
| 02:50 | Or at least accessible via a different method | |
| 02:50 | eythian | though some things involving it aren't able to be backed up |
| 02:50 | dcook | I meant backups of the home directory |
| 02:50 | eythian | oh, yeah |
| 02:50 | dcook | Or is that what you meant as well? |
| 02:50 | eythian | no, I meant keys |
| 02:51 | dcook | I suppose you'd want a key that couldn't completely be backed up |
| 02:52 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 02:52 | dcook | Bleeding out, jcamins? |
| 02:52 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:52 | not suitable for the sort of people who lose their keys a lot | |
| 02:52 | jcamins | My import process has 1.4g worth of resources. |
| 02:52 | I forgot to change the OOM settings. | |
| 02:53 | dcook | eythian: For sure. Any tips on how someone might get started with all the security things? It seems like there is so much out there. I'm not even sure where to begin. I suppose this would be an idea though.. |
| 02:53 | Did you get your yubikey overseas or did they ship it? | |
| 02:54 | eythian | dcook: totally depends what you want to do. I've been putting a bit more of an effort into this for the past while, at the same time keeping usability at a suitable level. |
| 02:54 | Many things are simple, like encrypted home dirs. | |
| 02:54 | Then you can move up to GPG signing/encrypting things. | |
| 02:55 | or using a password manager so you don't have the same login everywhere | |
| 02:55 | yubikey will post, they come in a regular envelope | |
| 02:56 | shipping was about US$5 for two of them. | |
| 02:57 | dcook | I suppose I'm skeptical of password managers. If someone gets that, then they get everything. |
| 02:58 | Mind you, relying on muscle memory and mental memory to try to have suitable unique passwords isn't so great either. | |
| 02:59 | eythian | dcook: the alternative to having one central place that can be attacked is having hundreds of places, and all someone needs to do is successfully attack one of them |
| 03:00 | frame it like that, and it's clear which is the better alternative :) | |
| 03:01 | https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/[…]/password-hasher/ <-- though actually I use this, which can be totally memory-based. | |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Big news out of OCLC! They have released OCLC numbers to the public domain! |
| 03:04 | Wait... | |
| 03:05 | I have an idea! | |
| 03:05 | Watch this! | |
| 03:05 | 12345678 <-- I have released this number into the public domain | |
| 03:05 | 87654321 <-- this one too | |
| 03:06 | dcook | lol |
| 03:07 | eythian: Right, but if you have hundreds of places with all different passwords, then you're only liable to lose some data. But yeah, the likelihood of having all different passwords isn't very high. | |
| 03:07 | eythian | jcamins: you can't use the first one, it's my PIN number. |
| 03:08 | dcook: yeah, no one does that. | |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Oh, man. |
| 03:09 | dcook | eythian: I almost do that :p |
| 03:09 | But even then...my best passwords are probably still nothing in comparison to the ones that you can generate, store, and manage | |
| 03:09 | So still pretty clear, as you say | |
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| 03:22 | eythian | anyway, going to have a go using the yubikey as my GPG key. It might get too annoying, not sure yet. |
| 03:23 | dcook | Sounds like it would be much more complicated |
| 03:25 | eythian | it's not really. It's just a matter of plugging it in and entering a PIN code (the PIN being cached like your password normally would be.) |
| 03:26 | dcook | In that case, I look forward to hearing more :) |
| 03:27 | eythian | http://www.kallisti.net.nz/blo[…]-logins-with-ssh/ <-- dcook, I also did this |
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| 03:49 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/a6iW-8xPw3k |
| 03:50 | dcook | eythian: Thanks for the link. I'll have to read it more thoroughly later. |
| 03:50 | eythian | np |
| 04:03 | Koha 3.12.05 packages uploaded | |
| 04:07 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 04:08 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 04:08 | eythian++ | |
| 04:09 | * dcook | tromps off for food |
| 04:14 | mtompset | nice, eythian. :) |
| 04:27 | jcamins | @later tell kf Does your data not have 773$a/$t? How does that work? You automatically populate that based on the $w? |
| 04:27 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:35 | jcamins | @later tell kf RAK is weird. Just thought you ought to know. |
| 04:35 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:36 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
| 04:36 | eythian | http://andrewvos.com/2011/02/2[…]ramming-language/ <-- I don't think we're doing our part as Koha developers. |
| 04:41 | Koha 3.10.1 packages uploading | |
| 04:42 | s/ing$/ed/ | |
| 04:54 | * dcook | is intrigued |
| 04:55 | dcook | I don't think I've seen a single instance of profanity in Koha |
| 04:55 | Not even locally :p | |
| 04:58 | wizzyrea | we are all very polite. Plus you don't really want your swearing immortalised in the git repo :P |
| 04:58 | at least I don't | |
| 05:01 | dcook | Neither do I |
| 05:01 | Actually, I don't really even swear in person | |
| 05:01 | I'm a Canadian's Canadian, I guess :p | |
| 05:05 | eythian | Koha 3.13 packages uploading |
| 05:05 | s/ing$/ed/ | |
| 05:05 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:05 | eythian | oh hi cait |
| 05:07 | cait | hi eythian |
| 06:06 | * dcook | tries to blow up his computer |
| 06:08 | dcook | Well, the server.. |
| 06:08 | wahanui | well, the server is built on perl catalyst |
| 06:24 | cait | dcook: blowing up things is not something we shoudl talk about i think |
| 06:24 | dcook | Mmm, good point |
| 06:25 | But at least we're not swearing? | |
| 06:25 | :p | |
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| 06:29 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:29 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
| 06:47 | cait | bbl |
| 06:47 | @later tell rangi - could you put QA sprint day in motd please? :) | |
| 06:47 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:51 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 06:51 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:52 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 06:52 | drojf | hi dcook |
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| 06:57 | drojf | nobody complained so far and vote are coming in, so i take it the kohacon survey works :) |
| 06:57 | *votes | |
| 06:57 | dcook | Yep. It was nice :) |
| 06:59 | drojf | yay :) |
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| 07:05 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:05 | Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run forest run! | |
| 07:05 | rangi | drojf: yep ive voted 8279 times already :) |
| 07:07 | drojf | rangi: i know you did not :P |
| 07:07 | rangi | now i have to fire up tor to do it for real |
| 07:07 | hehe | |
| 07:08 | * drojf | feels like the nsa |
| 07:08 | rangi | hehe |
| 07:09 | many votes ? | |
| 07:09 | drojf | on the plus side, i can send you targeted travelling ads |
| 07:09 | dcook | lol |
| 07:09 | drojf | we are coming close to 30 |
| 07:09 | dcook | Is there a current result page? |
| 07:10 | drojf | no, i did not do that to prevent craziness |
| 07:10 | dcook | Probably a wise move |
| 07:10 | rangi | yeah good idea |
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| 07:12 | kf | lol thx rangi |
| 07:12 | @later tell jcamins I can explain the 773 if you show me an example i think | |
| 07:12 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:13 | drojf | hi kf |
| 07:13 | kf | hi drojf |
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| 07:16 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:18 | samueld joined #koha | |
| 07:18 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:19 | * kf | waves |
| 07:22 | rangi | hi christophe_c, samueld and kf (and everyone else) |
| 07:22 | kf | hi rangi |
| 07:23 | christophe_c | hi rangi ;-) |
| 07:25 | kf | heh |
| 07:27 | rangi | hmm was my update to ketan ok? |
| 07:29 | drojf: im looking at bug 8897 | |
| 07:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Optional GnuPG encryption of outgoing emails |
| 07:30 | kf | rangi: yep |
| 07:30 | dcook | Ooo |
| 07:31 | rangi | it seems to be working fine |
| 07:32 | the only bit that im worried about is | |
| 07:32 | $gpg->gpgbin('/usr/bin/gpg'); | |
| 07:32 | as it might not always be there | |
| 07:33 | some distros put things in weird places | |
| 07:33 | however, i think as you do the does_exist check .. it wont throw an error at least | |
| 07:34 | ah nope | |
| 07:34 | # TODO: check if gpg binary is found before encrypting to avoid errors | |
| 07:34 | :) | |
| 07:34 | heh we obviously think alike | |
| 07:34 | ill have a think about how we can do that check, and try and do a follow up | |
| 07:35 | then i think ill be ok to sign off on the original | |
| 07:36 | dcook | Anyone know what happened with bug 7144? |
| 07:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, Floating collection |
| 07:36 | * dcook | didn't think that there were floating collections in Koha... |
| 07:36 | rangi | theres a resurrect bug |
| 07:36 | dcook | That Kyle did recently? |
| 07:36 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:37 | drojf | rangi: thanks for trying! :) yes, the hardcoded path isn't great. it should work for debian and ubuntu at least, i forgot what other distros i looked at. eythian proposed checking $PATH somewhere in the comments |
| 07:37 | rangi | it got added, it got busted and removed, now its trying to be added again afaict |
| 07:37 | kf | hm wasn't floating different to rotating? |
| 07:37 | floating being the setting for the returns on the circulation page? | |
| 07:37 | rangi | oh yeah true |
| 07:37 | drojf | rangi++ |
| 07:38 | dcook | Hmm |
| 07:38 | * drojf | hits the shower |
| 07:38 | rangi | in that case i have no idea dcook |
| 07:38 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:38 | no worries, rangi | |
| 07:38 | Thanks in any case :) | |
| 07:38 | * dcook | wonders why everyone decides to email with problems on the same day.. |
| 07:39 | kf | dcook: don't say such things |
| 07:39 | dcook | Oh? |
| 07:39 | kf | my day just started and i have a full todo list already - no need to make that happen :) |
| 07:40 | dcook | Ah, but I said it, so the bad luck should just fall on me ;) |
| 07:41 | kf | hopefully! |
| 07:48 | dcook | Mmm, so a rotating collection is one where you temporarily change the "ownership" of the collection |
| 07:48 | * dcook | would have to look at the code but gets the idea |
| 07:48 | rangi | floating is one where they dont need to ome back |
| 07:48 | dcook | Yeah |
| 07:48 | rangi | come even |
| 07:49 | dcook | Where they just stay where ever they're checked in |
| 07:49 | rangi | yep |
| 07:49 | dcook | I could see the utility of both |
| 07:49 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:51 | dcook | A bit confused about the difference between "AutomaticItemReturn" and "HomeOrHoldingBranchReturn" though... |
| 07:52 | Or if they were in conjunction | |
| 07:52 | wth... | |
| 07:52 | kf | we should do some cleanup in the area of those prefs |
| 07:52 | like homeorholdingbranch and the other that has the complete same description :( | |
| 07:52 | dcook | The difference between "CircControl" and "HomeOrHoldingBranch" would also be nice... |
| 07:52 | rangi | yep |
| 07:53 | somethign i plan for 3.16 is profiles and tidying up sysprefs | |
| 07:53 | ie, you pick a profile when you install | |
| 07:53 | and it preselects mostly sane preferences for that | |
| 07:53 | dcook | Mmm, I like that idea |
| 07:53 | kf | dcook: yep that one - i have filed a bug about that |
| 07:53 | dcook | Might be difficult to maintain though, rangi |
| 07:54 | rangi | yep would have to do it in a way that makes its easy to maintain |
| 07:54 | dcook | I suppose you could have a core set that change based on profile |
| 07:54 | rangi | probably extending the .pref files |
| 07:54 | yep | |
| 07:55 | kf | rangi: like tags for prefs? |
| 07:55 | rangi | yep, thats the idea |
| 07:55 | its only half thought out | |
| 07:55 | dcook | I like the half so far ;) |
| 07:55 | rangi | something |
| 07:55 | wahanui | i guess something is fishy |
| 07:56 | rangi | library types: |
| 07:56 | school: no_fines | |
| 07:56 | public: fines | |
| 07:56 | kf | :) |
| 07:56 | rangi | ie, what default value should we set |
| 07:57 | kf | Brooke would love that |
| 07:57 | rangi | i think special libraries would too |
| 07:57 | * dcook | nods |
| 07:57 | rangi | ketan++ |
| 08:01 | dcook | whoever_wrote_csv_export_profiles++ |
| 08:02 | kf | dcook: there are some enhancements for that underway it seems |
| 08:02 | dcook | For floating collections? |
| 08:02 | kf | if Joubu can provide some follow-ups... quite close :) |
| 08:02 | csv export | |
| 08:02 | wahanui | well, csv export is nice as well |
| 08:02 | dcook | Hmm, neato |
| 08:02 | :) | |
| 08:02 | Koha++ | |
| 08:02 | @karma Koha | |
| 08:02 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "Koha" has been increased 43 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 40. |
| 08:03 | kf | @karma koha |
| 08:03 | huginn | kf: Karma for "koha" has been increased 43 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 40. |
| 08:03 | kf | koha++ |
| 08:03 | drojf | decreased 3 times? i bet they confused it with the fork :P |
| 08:06 | dcook | Well the plus and negative signs are right next to each other as well...:p |
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| 08:10 | rangi | hmm i wonder where Mathieu is going |
| 08:11 | kf | hm? |
| 08:14 | dcook | Ah |
| 08:14 | I just saw that myself | |
| 08:14 | I was just thinking that he was getting even more involved. Surprised that he's leaving | |
| 08:15 | kf | what are you all talking about? |
| 08:16 | dcook | The devel listserv |
| 08:16 | Mathieu said that he's leaving the community in a few months | |
| 08:16 | kf | i missed that :( |
| 08:16 | where? | |
| 08:16 | oh found it | |
| 08:18 | dcook: where do we set circulationconditions? :) | |
| 08:18 | dcook | System preferences, item types page, circulation and fines rules |
| 08:18 | Those are only the ones I can think of off the top of my head | |
| 08:18 | :p | |
| 08:18 | kf | you are overcomplicating thigns :) |
| 08:18 | dcook | Just too literal :p |
| 08:18 | * kf | hands you a cookie |
| 08:19 | dcook | I should have dinner.. |
| 08:19 | I have a movie in less than an hour.. | |
| 08:19 | Putting in time for getting to skip out to the beach early on Friday | |
| 08:19 | Btw, it was great | |
| 08:19 | We ended up climbing some rocks in the bay...then high tide caught us out, so we had to wade through the water | |
| 08:19 | kf | rangi: question for you :) when does the qa queue turn green? I have been trying so hard... :) |
| 08:19 | dcook | Under knee deep though.. |
| 08:19 | kf: Magnuse said it was hardcoded | |
| 08:20 | kf | it is, to a certain value i think |
| 08:20 | rangi | i cant remember ill look |
| 08:20 | * dcook | wonders where magnuse is now.. |
| 08:23 | tries to remember how circ rules work.. | |
| 08:23 | dcook | issuing rules is the top layer... |
| 08:23 | Then default rules.. | |
| 08:34 | Neato | |
| 08:34 | Thanks kf | |
| 08:34 | kf++ | |
| 08:34 | * dcook | also enjoys librarians that say thanks :) |
| 08:34 | kf | :) |
| 08:38 | dcook | All right. Time for food then bad movie! |
| 08:38 | Well, formulaic movie. It might be good. | |
| 08:38 | s/good/entertaining/ | |
| 08:38 | Night all :) | |
| 08:42 | rangi | kf: naw its not gonna change on the dashboard |
| 08:42 | what number do you think it should be below to go green? | |
| 08:43 | kf | hm 40? :P |
| 08:43 | rangi | hehe |
| 08:43 | 30? | |
| 08:43 | kf | passed qa is already green! |
| 08:44 | 35? | |
| 08:44 | rangi | its always green |
| 08:44 | kf | oh |
| 08:44 | rangi | none of them change |
| 08:44 | kf | oh i thought they did |
| 08:44 | rangi | nope, not on the dashboard |
| 08:44 | but i can make them change | |
| 08:44 | kf | ah, i think i thought about that other sign-off count we have on the gbsd page? |
| 08:44 | rangi | if you come up with numbers |
| 08:44 | yep | |
| 08:45 | kf | hm what about... |
| 08:45 | rangi | 30 for total |
| 08:45 | under 20 for bugs ? | |
| 08:45 | kf | 30 is a really hard goal but ok :) |
| 08:45 | bit higher for needs signoff maybe? | |
| 08:46 | rangi | yeah 50 for signoff |
| 08:46 | kf | well, although i hope we will be able to work some of that queue down sometime too |
| 08:46 | rangi++ :) | |
| 08:50 | rangi | hows that? |
| 08:51 | kf | checking! |
| 08:51 | looks good to me :) | |
| 08:52 | thx a lot :) | |
| 09:37 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 09:37 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.2°C (11:35 AM CEST on September 24, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:45 | samueld | i've installed master on a vm and i've discovered something new : what is course-reserves? |
| 09:46 | kf | it's a new module... not surehow that is called in french |
| 09:46 | i only know the german term :) | |
| 09:46 | Semesterapparate | |
| 09:46 | if you set aside certain books for a lecture/course with different circ conditions | |
| 09:46 | like the books students need for that lecture can only be checked overnight | |
| 09:46 | the module gives you a nice presentation for the opac | |
| 09:47 | and also you can apply temporary locations, circ conditions etc. that will revert back to former behaviour when you remove the item from the course reserve | |
| 09:55 | samueld | <kf> thank you for your answer. Course reserves hasn't been translated for the moment. |
| 09:57 | kf | samueld: it's really new in 3.14 |
| 09:58 | samueld | ok |
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| 11:57 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "looking for some jquery help, i want to change rcvd in the basket to green - none of the following worked quite right" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/225 |
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| 12:14 | samueld | i've a problem with zebra, when i do zebrasrv -f /home/koha/etc/koha-conf.xml, it doesn't work (zebrasrv doesn't exist). very strange |
| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:18 | oleonard | Joubu: Thanks for your help with Bug 2720 (something we helped sponsor) |
| 12:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned |
| 12:18 | oleonard | Joubu++ |
| 12:21 | fredericd | Sending a List from the OPAC seems to be broken in 3.12 when using the OPAC in non-English. Can someone confirm the issue? |
| 12:21 | * jcamins | waves cheerily to fredericd. |
| 12:22 | nengard | is it possible with jquery to change just part of a string? I can change the color of an entire <p> but I just want to change the color of one word |
| 12:23 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I just want to change the 'rcvd' part - but this changes the entire line" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/226 |
| 12:23 | jcamins | nengard: sure, you can make any changes you want to the DOM. |
| 12:23 | * fredericd | waves cheerily back to jcamins, even I'm not sure to understand exactly what I'm saying. |
| 12:24 | jcamins | fredericd: we had a lovely dinner with your niece yesterday. :) |
| 12:24 | * jcamins | is always cheerful after hosting dinner. |
| 12:25 | nengard | jcamins can you tell me what to change in my jquery to do that? |
| 12:25 | * nengard | is still learning |
| 12:25 | fredericd | jcamins: :-) |
| 12:26 | jcamins | nengard: in pseudo-code: $(find-element).html($(find-element).html().replace("text-to-replace","replacement")) |
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| 12:35 | pastebot | "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "jcamins i'm almost there ;) what am i missing?" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/227 |
| 12:37 | jcamins | Quotes and you're mixing HTML and text indiscriminately, respectively. |
| 12:39 | nengard | I need to had html around the text to style just that bit of text (or so I thought) and the quotes seem nested right to me, can you point me in the right direction to see what you see? I did double quotes around the values and single quotes in the html |
| 12:41 | jcamins | You don't have any quotes at all in the second example, and text() returns strips out all HTML. |
| 12:42 | nengard | so 'replace' is text only |
| 12:42 | ? | |
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| 12:45 | kf | fredericd: i think i filed a bug - the changes we made for the cart never were ported to the list email |
| 12:45 | fredericd: but it's the same problem I am afraid - translations don't work right for plain text files :( | |
| 12:46 | oleonard | Bug 10605? |
| 12:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10605 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Problems with translated cart email sent from OPAC |
| 12:47 | kf | oleonard: that's the cart and a new bug - it worked in between :( |
| 12:47 | it's quite a mess actually | |
| 12:48 | bug 8368 | |
| 12:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, NEW , List email broken for non english templates |
| 12:48 | oleonard | nengard: Where does this string appear in Koha? |
| 12:49 | nengard | in acq in a basket with a received item |
| 12:50 | I just don't understand the comment about using text and html indiscriminately ... since i don't know jquery functions well enough ... reading google results now :) | |
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| 12:53 | nengard | hey want about the wrap() function ... or will that wrap the entire paragraph? |
| 12:53 | off to try it | |
| 12:54 | oleonard | I should go back to working on Acquisitions navigation sometime... Still very confusing.. |
| 12:55 | nengard | heh |
| 12:55 | i do agree | |
| 12:55 | you want me to find you a link you can use? | |
| 12:56 | oleonard | No I want Acquisitions navigation to make sense! :P |
| 12:56 | nengard | well okay then :) |
| 12:56 | fredericd | kf: I can't find the bug you filled. I confirm your diagnostic. For cart, the text was encoded in HTML to be translatable, and the converted into Text using html2text TT plugin. |
| 12:57 | I will propose a patch | |
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| 12:58 | oleonard | nengard: jcamins' pseudo-code was exactly correct. You need only replace $(find-element) with the selector which finds the relevant <p> |
| 12:59 | In place of "text-to-replace" you put the text you want to replace: "rcvd" | |
| 13:00 | nengard | the <p> doesn't have an id - the <tr> does - but it has 2 different ones (it's one of those color toggle things) |
| 13:00 | tcohen | good morning #koha |
| 13:00 | oleonard | nengard: You already had your selector correct |
| 13:00 | nengard | oh whew |
| 13:00 | :) | |
| 13:01 | and my text to replace is right | |
| 13:01 | so the part that's not right is what i'm replacing it with | |
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| 13:01 | Pablo | Good morning Tomás and all! |
| 13:03 | kf | fredericd: we posted them earlier, let me see |
| 13:03 | fredericd: 8368, 10605 | |
| 13:05 | Pablo | I was wondering if there is a more or less easy way to change MARC 21 help (the "?") on cataloguing framework, from Full manual to Concise version. |
| 13:06 | I could "concise/" on source code, but I feel dirty | |
| 13:06 | *add | |
| 13:09 | tcohen | i don't follow you Pablo |
| 13:09 | fredericd | kf: +1 thanks. 10605 is more another issue with cart when translated text contain non-ASCII characters? |
| 13:10 | kf | let me check |
| 13:10 | fredericd: i tihnk it was encoding and structural problems - i filed it but hadn't time to go back to it | |
| 13:11 | fredericd: but before you take a look at that code to fix the lists... better be aware of other problems with it | |
| 13:11 | Pablo | You are cataloguing something on koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=BKS, you can see "100 ? - MAIN ENTRY--PERSONAL AUTHOR" |
| 13:11 | kf | the new jquery documentation layout is nice |
| 13:11 | unrelated comment :) | |
| 13:11 | Pablo | <a class="marcdocs" onclick="PopupMARCFieldDoc('100', 1); return false;" href="#"> |
| 13:12 | tcohen | i know a lot about the ?, what do you want to change? |
| 13:13 | fredericd | kf: You're correct, there may be relations between both bugs. |
| 13:13 | tcohen | do u want that to link to some other place? |
| 13:15 | Pablo | Yes, I know you know :).Instead of http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd100.html here they want something like http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd100.html |
| 13:16 | tcohen | interesting Pablo, you can achieve that using javascript if is just a path change |
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| 13:21 | Pablo | mmm dirty :P And what about changing intranetuserjs, overriding the function? |
| 13:21 | kf | Pablo: that's the same effect and both work the same |
| 13:21 | hm i think i misunderstood | |
| 13:22 | sorry | |
| 13:22 | blou | Holà, Kohaers! |
| 13:22 | * kf | waves |
| 13:22 | blou | kohaists? |
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| 13:23 | blou | Anyone knows if we already have a Perl package in our dependencies that "generate a unique id" ? |
| 13:24 | We're using Data::UUID, but I don't want to add that if we could do it differently. | |
| 13:24 | jcamins | We do have something that does that. |
| 13:25 | Hm. Maybe not. | |
| 13:25 | Just String::Random. | |
| 13:32 | blou | just found it. Yes, I think that would do it. Thanks! |
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| 13:32 | Pablo | Thanks! And what you think about me fill a bug (wish) to add a system preference on cataloging section, to choose between Full and Concise MARC 21 manual help? |
| 13:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:34 | kf | Pablo: i think making it configurable would be nice - there might be translations to link to in the future |
| 13:34 | Pablo: having the link configurable with a placeholder for marc and subfield information maybe? | |
| 13:34 | but ig uess not totally easy | |
| 13:36 | tcohen | Pablo, fill the bug |
| 13:36 | Pablo | Just to add the Concise alternative might be easy (I'm not sure if exist always a concise version for any field). But language alternative seems more difficult, since LOC (AFAIK) doesn'tprovide an API |
| 13:37 | kf | Pablo: yeah, and German translation only exists as a pdf :( |
| 13:38 | Pablo | Same with Spanish :( |
| 13:38 | tcohen | not to speak about UNIMARC... |
| 13:39 | i was about to post a patch for having ? in authorities cataloguing | |
| 13:39 | but UNIMARC only has a PDF | |
| 13:39 | Pablo | There is a bug about that (marc 21 help for aithorities)? |
| 13:40 | That would be great! | |
| 13:41 | kf | oleonard: around maybe? |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Somewhat |
| 13:41 | wahanui | Somewhat is probably not the adjective I would use |
| 13:41 | kf | i am pondering a change a librry wants and am missing the right idea |
| 13:42 | i am trying to change the h1 text on the patron suggestions form and the 2 p | |
| 13:42 | because they want their own text :) | |
| 13:42 | tcohen | Pablo: no bug filled for that |
| 13:42 | kf | i have an id that is for all - h1 p p form |
| 13:42 | and i want to replace h1 p p | |
| 13:42 | everything i try seems overly complicated | |
| 13:43 | like... inserting after the h1... removing the other tags after... | |
| 13:44 | tcohen | are these all the MARC21 fields? http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/concise/ |
| 13:46 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Replacing text on suggestions form" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/228 |
| 13:46 | kf | oleonard: gah. thx :) |
| 13:47 | Pablo | tcohen: I'm pretty sure |
| 13:49 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 13:49 | thx for giving my brain a kick in the right direction :) | |
| 13:52 | drojf | mtompset: you could increase the chance of others signing off on your patches by signing off on other patches, limiting the range to choose from. ;) |
| 13:52 | mtompset | range? |
| 13:52 | wahanui | range is defined from its beginning to its end, in drojf's understanding it should include the whole 2013-06-02 |
| 13:55 | drojf | the sum of all patches that need a signoff |
| 14:02 | mtompset | drojf: I suppose I feel the same trepidation that others feel. "Do I even know how to test this to sign off?" I am working on starting sign offs. |
| 14:02 | drojf | that is why we have test plans. and you will learn a lot about koha. ;) |
| 14:03 | oleonard | ... and if the patch doesn't have a good enough test plan for you to understand how to test it, you can make a comment about that |
| 14:03 | kf | testing patches is also good training for developers... I think :) |
| 14:04 | * drojf | heads home |
| 14:04 | oleonard | At the very least it teaches us about what is and isn't a good test plan! |
| 14:05 | Pablo | Another one: On bug.koha-community.org we have "Cataloging" (en_US), but koha folder on Koha is "cataloguing" (en_UK). There is a defined convention about what English flavor to use? |
| 14:09 | Or should I say "flavour"? :) | |
| 14:10 | mtompset | Whatever English is natural to you when using bugzilla? I never really thought about it for myself. |
| 14:15 | tcohen | jcamins? |
| 14:15 | wahanui | ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. |
| 14:15 | jcamins | No, don't! |
| 14:15 | tcohen | what english flavor should we stick to? |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Whichever you prefer, really. |
| 14:16 | oleonard | In Koha, American english is the standard we follow in the "en" templates |
| 14:16 | Pablo | Is not a BIG issue, but sometimes I don't know what keyword use while searching. |
| 14:19 | tcohen | it looks you'll need to use a logical or in your searches :-D |
| 14:21 | Pablo | So using a convention is not possible...? |
| 14:22 | marcfalvour should be marcflavor, and cataloguing cagaloging, if using American English | |
| 14:23 | oleonard | Bugzilla is used by people all over the world with varying English skills, so it is to be expected that reports are inconsistent |
| 14:24 | tcohen | yeah, think of spanish-native speaking guys like me, using spanish-isms all over the place |
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| 14:28 | alaquerre | Hi all, is there any way to know how many users are currently using Koha on the server ? We currently have strange slowest for some client and we can't tell what's going on exaclty ? Load look's good but some query can take up to 20-30 seconds ( Return a document)... |
| 14:37 | jcamins | alaquerre: you could check all current connections. |
| 14:38 | (using netstat) | |
| 14:41 | tcohen | netstat -atpn | grep -c apache |
| 14:41 | jcamins | Hey, cool. |
| 14:41 | I never knew about that. | |
| 14:42 | (-p) | |
| 14:46 | tcohen | :D |
| 14:49 | Pablo | I was talking about bugs.koha-community but just giving an example, I was proposing to choose a convention about what English to use all over the code and Koha default interface |
| 14:49 | jcamins | Pablo: in the actual interface, everything is US English. |
| 14:49 | Or should be. | |
| 14:50 | Well- other than file names, which are almost exclusively NZ English. | |
| 14:50 | oleonard | ...or French. |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:51 | alaquerre | Thanks! |
| 14:55 | druthb | o |
| 14:55 | o/ | |
| 14:57 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10803: make "Make payment" in circ easier to translate <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4bdde79932bb4edcf> |
| 14:59 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #119 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:15 | Pablo | jcamins: Thanks! I'm happy to know that at least exist a convention |
| 15:15 | tcohen | julian maurice? |
| 15:15 | jcamins | julian_m. |
| 15:15 | wahanui | Good luck getting ten words out of this one... |
| 15:16 | tcohen | julian_m++ # for caring about my language selection via URL patches |
| 15:16 | Pablo | Bug created: MARC21 documentation links: Change between Full and Concise manual bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10940 |
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| 15:30 | mtompset | tcohen++ # thanks for the sign off on the improve INSTALL.ubuntu. :) |
| 15:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #370 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:31 | Project Koha_Docs build #370: SUCCESS in 10 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/370/ | |
| 15:31 | * Nicole C. Engard: update merging image | |
| 15:31 | * Nicole C. Engard: update label creator images | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | We'll have to wait for more information before proceeding with voting. |
| 15:43 | jcamins | We will? |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Well, if you feel it makes a difference to the way you vote you should wait. |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | with only two choices this year ... does it matter? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Since there are only two options, it comes down to "which one got the most votes in position 1?" |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | exactly |
| 15:45 | oleonard | Okay, so say so on list? |
| 15:47 | tcohen | jcamins, that means weights would be 1 and 0 |
| 15:47 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #119: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/119/ |
| 15:47 | Katrin Fischer: Bug 10803: make "Make payment" in circ easier to translate | |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10803 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , "Make payment" in circ is not easily translatable |
| 15:48 | jcamins | tcohen: actually, I was going to use the proof for weights 2 and 1. |
| 15:49 | tcohen | oh, you're right: as it is mandatory to choose both |
| 15:50 | jcamins | tcohen: even if it weren't, I have a mathematical proof. |
| 15:50 | tcohen | so, there's no case 2 this time |
| 15:51 | gmcharlt | oleonard: I've done so; the only case I think it could possibly matter is if there were actually a groundswell of folks who for, whatever reason, firmly believe that KohaCon should be in neither location |
| 15:51 | nengard | anyone around who can look at/test this report: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Unique_Management |
| 15:51 | I get a useless syntax error on it | |
| 15:51 | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 10 | |
| 15:52 | I tried removing all spaces and double spaces and other characters, not sure what else to do | |
| 15:54 | oleonard | A KohaCon choice of "neither" is an interesting idea, but would require, I think the consent of those proposing to host. They might want to host a con no matter how many people sign up. |
| 15:54 | jcamins | If you won't go to either, don't vote. |
| 15:54 | That's how I'd look at it, and I think how most would think about it. | |
| 15:55 | kf | hm guess the problem is more if you would only be able to attend one of the locations |
| 15:55 | but not in the other? | |
| 15:55 | rambutan | <purely idle speculation> What would happen if there were two or more sites, and after a period of voting the lead site experienced some issue (natural disaster perhaps) that would be cause for reconisderation? |
| 15:55 | oleonard | jcamins: If someone didn't want to host if not enough people were interested it would be a way to handle it |
| 15:55 | jcamins | oleonard: I see. |
| 15:56 | rambutan | reconsideration too |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | nengard: it's missing a closing parenthesis at the end of the 7th line |
| 15:56 | nengard | thank you!!! |
| 15:57 | i'll update the wiki | |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | rambutan: presumably they would say, and then there would be either a revote or the other site would asked they would be still willing to do it, and get it by default |
| 15:57 | rambutan: or open up a (brief) proposal period | |
| 15:58 | jcamins | tcohen: actually, in the case where 100% of the people voting for one site didn't vote for the other, but 100% of the people voting for the other voted for the first, you could end up with a tie. But in that case both results are non-optimal. |
| 15:59 | And you have to resort to counting top choice because otherwise you have to ask every single person who voted for both to clarify their intent. | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | i agree jcamins, and i personally prefer a black and white vote |
| 16:00 | /voting/ | |
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| 16:01 | jcamins | Well, I suppose we could probably change results slightly by greatly increasing the point value. |
| 16:01 | rambutan | We need slef and thd to be here. I'm completely fascinated by systems like the McFarsen Klabber Partial-Derrivative Semi-Weighed Quasi-Preference Voting System. |
| 16:01 | jcamins | So top choice gets 10 points, second choice gets 9 points. |
| 16:01 | rambutan: exactly! | |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | rambutan: heresy! you want the /Modified/ McFarsen Klabber Partial-Derrivative Semi-Weighed Quasi-Preference Voting System! |
| 16:03 | rambutan | ah, of course, forgot that Modified version! |
| 16:03 | version 3.09.11 I think is current | |
| 16:05 | oleonard | Only a facist would use anything but the 27th revised McFarsen Klabber Partial-Derrivative Semi-Weighed Quasi-Preference Voting System |
| 16:05 | rambutan | I am, btw, being quite serious. I immensely enjoyed the last session some time ago about the various preference voting systems. It added greatly to my knowledge of the world. |
| 16:05 | mtompset | nengard... is the inner select empty? |
| 16:05 | rambutan | I spent lots of time on wikipedia while the discussion was in progress |
| 16:06 | mtompset | where field not in () gives a syntax error. |
| 16:07 | drojf | if i would have known you people enjoy voting systems, we could have had a meeting or two to discuss it :) |
| 16:08 | maybe there is even some folk dance group on youtube to explain them all, like the sorting thing | |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | rambutan: I actually do see the point of preferential voting system and agree that they're interesting -- but not if there are only two choices, and I find there's a distressing tendency for folks to get mired in the details of the voting system to avoid making decisions |
| 16:08 | rambutan | Well, put it on the topic list for KohaCon 2013. :) |
| 16:08 | nengard | mtompset it was a closing ) |
| 16:08 | jcamins | drojf: that'd be awesome! |
| 16:09 | drojf: doesn't look like it. :'( | |
| 16:09 | drojf | oh. unfair :'( |
| 16:09 | you could record something like that in reno :D | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | drojf: you should get your university to do one. |
| 16:09 | mtompset | nengard, really? Where? |
| 16:10 | jcamins | drojf: how many Hungarian folk dance groups do you think we're going to have? |
| 16:10 | nengard | i fixed it on the wiki after gmcharlt pointed it out |
| 16:10 | drojf | jcamins: i hope "a lot" :) |
| 16:11 | mtompset | there... ah. |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | nengard++ |
| 16:11 | jcamins | drojf: bad news... |
| 16:11 | wahanui | somebody said bad news was that you're probably royally screwed |
| 16:11 | drojf | only some? |
| 16:11 | a few? | |
| 16:12 | * jcamins | can't bring himself to tell drojf the unfortunate truth. |
| 16:12 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "How does it look to you?" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/229 |
| 16:12 | kf | jcamins: now say it! |
| 16:12 | jcamins | kf: but drojf will be crushed! |
| 16:13 | drojf | oh. i should make my 2014 vote depend on that |
| 16:13 | kf | the force is strong within him....(or something like that) |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:14 | drojf | kohacon should always take place besides tha annual conference of hungarian folk dance groups |
| 16:14 | the | |
| 16:14 | i mean next to. or in the same room | |
| 16:14 | they could dance template toolkit too! | |
| 16:16 | * oleonard | doesn't get it |
| 16:16 | kf | jcamins: so no crushing going to happen? |
| 16:17 | jcamins | oleonard: oh, you've missed out. |
| 16:17 | kf | because i wanted to leave.. |
| 16:17 | jcamins | kf: I just can't. |
| 16:17 | kf | how am i supposed to do qa with not knowing? |
| 16:17 | hm without knowing? | |
| 16:17 | jcamins: you are so mean! :) | |
| 16:17 | bye all :) | |
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| 16:27 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 16:29 | tcohen | gmcharlt: http://paste.koha-community.org/229 |
| 16:29 | i wrote that as a feature fr package upgrades | |
| 16:29 | (defaults to no) | |
| 16:30 | gmcharlt | tcohen: seems reasonable, though I wonder if it should be making a backup of each file it touches |
| 16:30 | (just in case, of course) | |
| 16:31 | tcohen | do we have that for the DB update? |
| 16:39 | jcamins | oleonard: http://www.youtube.com/user/AlgoRythmics <-- sorting and folk dance |
| 16:42 | oleonard | I like the top comment on this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywWBy6J5gz8 |
| 16:43 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:45 | Wow... watching them without sound is kind of bizarre. | |
| 16:48 | mtompset | paul_p++ # thanks for the secondary scenario example. :) |
| 16:52 | drojf | gmcharlt++ |
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| 17:16 | mtompset | gmcharlt++ # like the idea of potential regional KohaCon's running. |
| 17:33 | drojf | we can all do our own kohacon. at home. on irc |
| 17:33 | oh, that is now | |
| 17:35 | mtompset | Where is druthb to throw skittles when silliness arises? :P |
| 17:35 | * druthb | chucks skittles at mtompset |
| 17:35 | * mtompset | ducks, and they hit drojf. |
| 18:00 | tcohen | is there a way to define some char to be removed when searching for patrons? |
| 18:01 | (e.g. I could want to remove dots from a cardnumber, 28.118.401 -> 28118401) | |
| 18:03 | cait | tcohen: i think not currently |
| 18:03 | tcohen: why would you enter the dots? | |
| 18:03 | if it's not saved like this in the database? | |
| 18:04 | tcohen | reusing university's id cards wrongly designed |
| 18:05 | i thought a search for 28.118.401 should give 28118401 as a result, they are really close | |
| 18:06 | cait | but not exact and this is searching mysql |
| 18:07 | hm i think maybe you can make the scanner do it | |
| 18:07 | some can be quite extensibly programmed | |
| 18:10 | mtompset | jcamins, gmcharlt -- I have forwarded your feedback to the librarian colleague driving this project and my supervisor. Even if it is not the best solution for our scenarios, it does meet lesser scenario's needs. |
| 18:11 | jcamins | mtompset: it would be difficult to express how bad an idea I think it is. |
| 18:11 | gmcharlt | mtompset: thank you, I really appreciate your taking our concerns seriously |
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| 18:25 | mtompset | http://geek.cheezburger.com/su[…]/share/7817104896 |
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| 18:35 | tcohen | thanks cait |
| 18:35 | cait | hm and there are barcode filters... |
| 18:35 | and i probably don't quite understand what you wan tto do :) | |
| 18:40 | tcohen | i want to strip dots out of cardnumbers read using a bracode scanner |
| 18:43 | cait | oh ok |
| 18:43 | tcohen | for a library who's designer made wrongly print 3000+id cards |
| 18:43 | cait | then maybe the advice was not so bd |
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| 18:44 | tcohen | yes thanks |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt | employ the designer in hand-entering barcode numbers at the circ desk for a month? ;) |
| 18:45 | but seriously, cait's right, there's a decent chance the scanner could be programmed to strip the periods | |
| 18:50 | jeff | depends on the scanner. the one on my desk can add, but not remove characters. |
| 18:51 | gmcharlt | yeah, really depends on the specific model |
| 18:55 | jeff | in theory, you could add some javascript to patron-search.inc or some perl to member.pl to strip the characters in question. there might be other places where you'd need to do the same thing, and it would be a bit of an unfortunate hack either way. |
| 18:55 | or, new feature! ;-) | |
| 18:55 | cait | we actually have barcode filters |
| 18:55 | but they don't work everywhere | |
| 18:55 | i think only in circ | |
| 18:55 | but we haven't really used that feature | |
| 18:55 | jeff | cait: i was looking for those, but didn't find them for patron numbers. |
| 18:56 | cait | jeff: ah you might be right |
| 18:56 | only working for items maybe | |
| 18:56 | i think maybe storing the dotted number in alias could work | |
| 18:56 | or a searchable patron attribute | |
| 18:57 | jeff | itemBarcodeInputFilter in syspref with a multi-select containing a few options. |
| 18:58 | cait: sounds like there's potential there (storing the "dotted" variant in a searchable field)... works if all of the cards in question have been assigned to students already. little more manual trouble if they're still being assigned. | |
| 18:59 | (though, i suppose no manual trouble if the students are imported from elsewhere and not manually entered into koha) | |
| 18:59 | * jeff | has some empathy for "we have weird barcode requirements" |
| 18:59 | cait | we once had a library with ß in their patron barcodes... |
| 18:59 | all kind of troubles | |
| 19:04 | jeff | we allow patrons to use state license/ID cards, which have numbers in the barcode data that change every time you get a new card. we get to strip a variable amount of data from each barcode when scanned -- and we must lowercase the initial letter if the barcode scanner didn't already. :-) |
| 19:09 | drojf | browsers https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU[…]MAAoJ0Q.jpg:large |
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| 21:25 | wizzyrea | jeff you keep state issued ID numbers in your DB?! |
| 21:26 | danger, will robinson. | |
| 21:26 | holy liability, batman! | |
| 21:30 | jeff | we also store patron names and birth dates. shocker, i know. |
| 21:31 | cait | we only got names, no state issued ids or birthdates |
| 21:36 | jeff | how about email addresses or phone numbers? |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | yea, but you can't sign up for a bank account with only a name and a phone number. |
| 21:37 | but you can with a name, a phone number, a birth date, and a state issued ID number | |
| 21:38 | bank account, credit card, loan. | |
| 21:38 | identity theft stuff. | |
| 21:41 | jeff | I can't recall every detail of every bank account I've ever opened, but those that I do remember required my SSN, and made no request for my drivers license number. |
| 21:41 | perhaps "state id" is a more regional thing, and the term has other meaning elsewhere. | |
| 21:43 | * gmcharlt | had Googled -- in the US, some banks do allow checking accounts to be opened with just DL# -- but that's meant for foreigners; U.S. citizens and permanent residents are, I suspect, almost always expected to supply an SSN or a TIN |
| 21:44 | jeff | in any case, we are subject to laws regarding disclosure of library account data that we do keep, up to and including personal liability for library staff. |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | At least you've got insurance. |
| 21:45 | pretty embarrassing for the library if you did ever have a staff account get compromised though | |
| 21:45 | jeff | *nod* |
| 21:46 | jcamins | I had to provide both DL and SSN, but only the former had to actually be provided in hardcopy. |
| 21:46 | jeff | regardless of if someone's drivers license was included in that data or not. |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | that's not data I would require of patrons or keep in the library system database - if I had to have it, I would keep it in hard copy. |
| 21:47 | me personally | |
| 21:47 | jcamins | Sorry, I meant to open a bank account. |
| 21:47 | jeff | arguably "here are all of the people that have a hold on book X" is just as if not more embarassing as "here is Tom's drivers license number (which if Tom was born before X can be calculated using only his name and date of birth anyway) |
| 21:47 | jcamins | My library accounts were actually obtained using only a piece of mail. |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | mine too |
| 21:48 | jcamins | Oh, the first one required a lease. |
| 21:48 | But then I was able to use the fact that I had a library card as proof of residency to get additional cards. | |
| 21:48 | jeff | so we try not to have the "we don't have drivers license numbers, therefore we don't need to be conscientious about security" mindset |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | yea, I think it's best to a. not keep it and b. still be conscientious about security. |
| 21:50 | glad you have a policy that seems to work for you. | |
| 21:50 | jeff | and try to maintain the attitude of "one of our responsibilities is to protect the personally identifiable information of our patrons, without exception" |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea: always the convenience and business requirements vs security trade-off. :-) | |
| 21:53 | * wizzyrea | often has unpopular opinions regarding the business requirements surrounding borrower data |
| 21:53 | jeff | sorry if i was overly... enthusiastic in my response. always good to re-evaluate these things over time. :-) |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | nah all good |
| 21:54 | jcamins | jeff: you were working on some sort of API for EG, weren't you? Where would I find the code for that? |
| 21:54 | jeff | if 50% of our patrons in a given day didn't choose to use their drivers license to check out books, it might be a less complicated thing to decide "we don't need drivers license numbers anymore!" |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | out of curiosity, why is that even an option? |
| 21:55 | jeff | jcamins: https://github.com/tadl/library-rest-api has the original experiment from April. I'm interested in reviving it, especially if others are interested. |
| 21:56 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 21:56 | I need a push API for Koha/EG. | |
| 21:56 | jeff | jcamins: feel free to pester me here or in #evergreen |
| 21:56 | push in what sense? | |
| 21:56 | (and "need" in what sense, for that matter :-) | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea: patrons often forgot their library card at home, but would have a drivers license with them. someone determined that it was possible to scan the drivers license, we started offering the option, and it was met with much interest and appreciation by our patrons. we've been offering it as an option ever since. | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | and of course a card is required to issue, so if you forget your card you're out of luck? |
| 21:59 | gmcharlt | which speaks to the general issue that as a class, patrons are less sensitive to patron info security issues than the librarians are |
| 21:59 | jeff | wizzyrea: if you come in without your library card or drivers license or other photo ID, yeah -- we're not going to be able to replace your card or open a new account. |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | but to issue an item? |
| 21:59 | jcamins | jeff: a service that will push out updated bib records to a discovery layer as they're changed, rather than having the discovery layer requesting updates. |
| 22:00 | * jcamins | goes out to pick up veggies. |
| 22:00 | jeff | gmcharlt: yes. and that rubs against one of my pet peeves -- libraries that deny users a requested feature/service because "you don't really want THAT! since YOU aren't thinking of your privacy, we shall make the decision for you!" ;-) |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: for the sake of argument, isn't it part of the library's job to educate people about such things? |
| 22:01 | so they can check out items without a card? | |
| 22:01 | jeff | wizzyrea: yes, without card, no checkout. that was what led to the original desire to add an additional option for card. |
| 22:01 | * gmcharlt | thinks I know a possible panel if there's ever a joint Koha-Evergreen conference :) |
| 22:01 | * jeff | grins |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | and I know who the panelists are |
| 22:01 | * wizzyrea | does not volunteer ;) |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | but... |
| 22:01 | jeff: yes | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea: yes | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | in truth, I can't think of a single thing, besides possibly debt collection (and DONT get me started on fines. Really, just don't) |
| 22:02 | gmcharlt | also: yes, the FBI really did try to access liibrary records inappropriately |
| 22:02 | jeff | jcamins: ah. that's not something that has been touched on in this experiment, but i know that there are a few options out there. somewhat depends on semantics in terms of pull -- polling for changes vs querying every bib, or calling a service on interval with "these changed -- ask me how", etc. |
| 22:02 | gmcharlt | also: yes - patrons are adults too |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | that would *require* a drivers license for. |
| 22:02 | gmcharlt | it's not easy |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | using the license as a card number because it's convenient and people have it with them, yea it's a 'nice service' but... I am still highly dubious of this. |
| 22:03 | but I am glad it works for you | |
| 22:04 | a compromise could be to store the borrower's picture and not require cards. | |
| 22:04 | for issuing. | |
| 22:04 | of *course* you would have to have ID to reissue a card or get a new account | |
| 22:05 | I don't argue that, you have to authenticate people | |
| 22:05 | but you don't have to store it. | |
| 22:05 | jeff | we also stored license number before we started using them on cards -- i don't know the history on that, but think i'll find out. |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | and now that I've thrown ALL THE BOMBS. ^.^ |
| 22:06 | http://i.imgur.com/d56zlHk.jpg | |
| 22:06 | jeff | jcamins: your push changes for bibs (and holdings?) interest interests me. love to chat more at a later time. |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | jeff do you run Koha or evergreen? |
| 22:07 | out of curiosity | |
| 22:07 | jeff | wizzyrea++ Received "Grenade"! |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea: Evergreen. :-) | |
| 22:08 | cait | good night all :) |
| 22:08 | * jeff | departs for home |
| 22:08 | jeff | nite for now! |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | safe travels :) |
| 22:09 | cait | jeff: another angle - they are adults, but if you can't provide the necessary measures to keep critical data save, you shouldn't store it as institution :) |
| 22:10 | and data you don't need, you shouldn't store... things like that | |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | ^^ this, I think, is mostly my concern, especially considering that many Kohas, at least, are internet facing for the staff client. |
| 22:10 | I worry perhaps a bit less about evergreen in that regard. | |
| 22:10 | since it has a desktop client (or it did last time I checked, I admit I don't keep super good tabs on how evergreen works) | |
| 22:11 | cait | wizzyrea: not sure thatwould make much of a difference |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | it does if joe leet haxxor can't access a login screen from his house |
| 22:12 | cait | yeah, but he can stil download the client :) |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | but he'd have to have connection information ^.^ |
| 22:12 | which probably isn't public | |
| 22:12 | cait | yeah, but similar to koha i think? |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | mmm not as I understand it - it's more like sirsi's workflows I thought. |
| 22:13 | cait | ishould really go :) |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | whereas a koha, you can just find the staff client login page on the public internet |
| 22:13 | * cait | waves |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | later |
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| 22:15 | wizzyrea | sorry everyone, I haven't slept well in days and that probably has something to do with the enthusiasm I'm currently having for being argumentative. I don't mean to offend anybody. |
| 22:18 | eythian | hi |
| 22:25 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 22:29 | eythian: for testing the SIP-server-running, is there anything special to set the SIP portion? | |
| 22:29 | or it is just koha-enable-sip ; koha-start-sip | |
| 22:29 | eythian | you probably need to customise the config file. |
| 22:30 | tcohen | any tweaking needed? (I know nothing about how SIP is setup) |
| 22:30 | eythian | but if you don't, yes |
| 22:31 | tcohen | also, would you mind drinking a beer and thinking how should an "automatic translations update" be implemented in packages? |
| 22:31 | i wrote one possible implementation https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]ranslation_update | |
| 22:32 | eythian | tcohen: hmm. The best way probably is to make the languages built with the packages |
| 22:33 | really it just needs a bit of testing and maybe updating. | |
| 22:33 | though if we don't want to do that right now, I'll dwell on it for a bit :) | |
| 22:33 | tcohen | eythian: agreed, i volunteer if you need some testing |
| 22:33 | guess is gmcharlt's call then | |
| 22:34 | i see a screwdriver and think its cool to use it (command line admin scripts) | |
| 22:34 | but of course i'd favour better approaches | |
| 22:34 | gmcharlt | does it make sense to make language-translation-packages |
| 22:34 | e.g,. apt-get install koha-translation-fr-FR ? | |
| 22:35 | eythian | the current method doesn't, but the package method would |
| 22:35 | tcohen | that's what eythian proposes |
| 22:35 | koha-l10n-fr-FR | |
| 22:36 | rangi | jcamins++ |
| 22:36 | gmcharlt | thank you, that turned up the examples I was seeking |
| 22:36 | jcamins | rangi: what did I do? |
| 22:36 | gmcharlt | reasonable to have the l10n packages be built more or less automatically? |
| 22:37 | eythian | that's the plan |
| 22:37 | tcohen | is it a good hackfest project? or does it need to be done before that? |
| 22:37 | eythian | it's been sitting around for a while now, so I don't think there's a rush :) |
| 22:37 | it would be a good hackfest project. | |
| 22:38 | It's also 95% done I think | |
| 22:38 | gmcharlt | would I be correct in assuming that the l10n packages aren't particularly tied to set release dates? |
| 22:38 | eythian | that's correct, they'll be built with every release anyway. We could add them in the middle of a cycle if we wanted without undue effect. |
| 22:38 | tcohen | the problem is that (sometimes) fixes to templates also depend on code |
| 22:38 | rangi | jcamins: the json for a syspref |
| 22:39 | jcamins | rangi: ah. Right. |
| 22:39 | tcohen | (written the other way: an upgrade could break "old" templates) |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt | tcohen: that's a given, but I think my question is more whether the infrastructure to do it can be truned on in the middle of a cycle if need be |
| 22:40 | eythian | We could. People wouldn't notice any change unless they went looking for it. |
| 22:40 | gmcharlt | obviously the actual packages should be based on templates + translations as the exist at a particular minor release |
| 22:40 | with possibily an option to update translation packages more frequently than the monthly releases, if folks were feeling particularly ambitious | |
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| 22:42 | eythian | they would come from the same source package as koha itself, so that would be a little tricky. |
| 22:42 | tcohen | error-prone |
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| 22:43 | tcohen | also, there was that idea of removing to .po files from the main git repo too... |
| 22:43 | rangi | yep |
| 22:43 | the repo is sitting waiting :) | |
| 22:43 | i dont like the idea of rewriting history, ie removing all trace | |
| 22:44 | but i think shifting them to their own repo will slow the growth of the main repo, and make it easier to have pootle commit to git | |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | well, it's easy enough to bring over the history of the PO files, mostly, to the new repo if desired |
| 22:44 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ons.git;a=summary |
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| 22:44 | rangi | yep |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | and just satisfying ourselves witha git-rm in the main one |
| 22:45 | rangi | yup |
| 22:45 | pootle can backend into git | |
| 22:45 | so having it commit | |
| 22:45 | tcohen | rangi: would u glue all together again upon release? |
| 22:45 | rangi | tcohen: yup |
| 22:45 | tcohen | hmm, interesting |
| 22:45 | wahanui | interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 22:45 | rangi | having pootle commit to git, would take load of the translation manager |
| 22:45 | tcohen | this time is good |
| 22:45 | rangi | they just would have to push |
| 22:46 | every so often | |
| 22:46 | instead of copying files around and and committing etc | |
| 22:46 | but modifying the release scripts to grab the .po files and add them to the tarball wouldnt be hard at all | |
| 22:46 | and the packages could build using the translation repo id imagine | |
| 22:47 | eythian | yeah, or do the subtrees thing or something |
| 22:47 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:47 | eythian | not subtrees, the thing where you reference one repo in another |
| 22:47 | tcohen | the TM would tag accordingly |
| 22:47 | rangi | submodules |
| 22:47 | eythian | anyway, I'm sure it could be made to work. |
| 22:47 | rangi | tcohen: yep good idea |
| 22:48 | tcohen | i see more work for the QA folks |
| 22:48 | rangi | testing the translations? |
| 22:48 | not too bad | |
| 22:49 | specially with the submodules idea | |
| 22:49 | tcohen | unless you are in the QA team of course |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | wouldn't take much to make automated tests of the translations pretty complete |
| 22:49 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:49 | tcohen | so we need debian/ and t/ inside the koha-translation tree |
| 22:49 | rangi | https://www.kernel.org/pub/sof[…]it-submodule.html |
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| 22:50 | rangi | tcohen: or the translation repo as a submodule of the main one |
| 22:50 | tcohen | you re-use the current debian-related building scripts |
| 22:50 | rangi | there are a few ways to solve it |
| 22:51 | gmcharlt | submodules make me slightly nervous -- don't want people trying to patch against them directly |
| 22:51 | rangi | true |
| 22:51 | tcohen | the main question still remains: is it possible to do it rock-solid before release? |
| 22:52 | rangi | this release? maybe not, but setting up the repo and testing pushing to it etc yes, we can still always do the release the old way |
| 22:52 | and git rm from there after | |
| 22:52 | eythian | tcohen: no, it'd use the debian/ from the main repo |
| 22:53 | rangi | but i think the the sooner we start using/testing the translation repo, the sooner we would be able to switch to it in the future |
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| 22:53 | tcohen | thanks eythian, I didn't read about submodules before commenting |
| 22:53 | rangi | or decide its dumb and abandon it |
| 22:53 | :) | |
| 22:53 | * tcohen | attaches his patch for the koha-common.postinst script just in case |
| 22:54 | tcohen | ok, bgkriegel? |
| 22:54 | wahanui | bgkriegel is on a signoff spree |
| 22:55 | tcohen | we're talking about you in some way :-D |
| 22:56 | eythian | wee, new Covenant album! |
| 23:00 | tcohen | rangi: how shoudl we proceed with this? |
| 23:00 | eythian: what can i hear from Covenant to get an idea of them? | |
| 23:01 | eythian | http://youtu.be/7eDkFlVSwnk <-- tcohen |
| 23:02 | rangi | tcohen: id get bgkriegel to see if he wants to trying pushing to the new repo |
| 23:03 | if he doesnt have time | |
| 23:03 | then thats fine | |
| 23:03 | we can also spend half a day on this at the hackfest if we want | |
| 23:03 | Topic for #koha is now QA sprint, run forest run! | http://area51.stackexchange.co[…]-library-software | |
| 23:05 | tcohen | thanks eythian |
| 23:06 | rangi: i mixed things a bit, i was talking about the other part of the problem, lang packages | |
| 23:07 | rangi | ah yep |
| 23:08 | those i reckon we could get done pre release | |
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