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| 00:00 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:02 | Brooke | gday bob |
| 00:07 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 00:07 | drojf | well, that was fun |
| 00:08 | looks likemimdo notmhave a notebook anymore | |
| 00:08 | Brooke | hmm? |
| 00:09 | drojf | hi brooke |
| 00:09 | Brooke | hey there |
| 00:09 | wizzyrea | whaddup brooke |
| 00:10 | drojf | i have apparently destroyed my notebook |
| 00:10 | Brooke | editing teh wikipedia |
| 00:12 | drojf | i bet handing in a pen and paper thesis will work just fine ;) |
| 00:12 | Brooke | ooof! |
| 00:12 | how destroyed is destroyed | |
| 00:14 | drojf | not sure yet. something involving liquid and no reaction at all. it does not look really bad on the inside but i did not take it apart completely |
| 00:14 | eythian | I assume that all your thesis is in version control anyway, so you should be able to pick it up on any machine, right? |
| 00:15 | drojf | that is not the problem, but there is no othrr machine |
| 00:16 | well, i can (and probably will) type on a raspi for a few days | |
| 00:16 | but if the notebook is actually broken i will still have a problem | |
| 00:20 | so, prepare yourselves for a kickstarter or something for signing off on your patches unless something better comes up :/ | |
| 00:25 | Brooke | I have thought that kickstarter or mechanical turk would be excellent means for bug testing for years now. |
| 00:40 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:40 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 00:40 | stunt driving school, wizzyrea? Sounds awesome! | |
| 00:40 | Brooke | morning dcook |
| 00:40 | dcook | hey ya Brooke :) |
| 00:40 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 00:40 | Brooke | pfft, who needs school when one has Maryland just the other side of teh River? |
| 00:42 | dcook | Lack of fiery death? |
| 00:42 | * Brooke | thinks dcook is no fun. |
| 00:42 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:43 | I'm a responsible driver! | |
| 00:44 | Brooke | tell it to the judge, lady ;) |
| 00:44 | dcook | Who never ever "stunted" on ice patches in the prairies growing up >.> |
| 00:44 | Brooke | heheh |
| 00:44 | * dcook | is a lady? |
| 00:44 | Brooke | are you questioning mah authoritay? |
| 00:44 | * Brooke | busts out the tazer. |
| 00:46 | is teasing. | |
| 00:48 | Brooke | ChurChur EQNZ anniversary |
| 00:48 | * Brooke | imagines a days without True marmite clock someplace... |
| 00:49 | * dcook | is so confused |
| 01:43 | * jcamins | wipes brownie batter off his elbow. |
| 01:43 | jcamins | I'm not sure how it got there. |
| 01:43 | * dcook | once knew someone who got mustard on the back of his shirt between his shoulder blades |
| 01:44 | dcook | We assume he held his sandwich above and slightly behind his head while laughing and the mustard must've fallen then |
| 01:44 | We hope | |
| 01:44 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | hey there's marmite again now :P |
| 01:45 | jcamins | Seriously? |
| 01:46 | * jcamins | has been using PrivacyFix. |
| 01:46 | jcamins | For, you know, checking the privacy of websites. |
| 01:46 | It was purchased by AVG. | |
| 01:46 | And now it "requires access to your Facebook account in order to sync your data across devices and across apps and uses tracking cookies." | |
| 01:48 | * jcamins | removes it. |
| 01:51 | eythian | that seems contradictory of it. |
| 01:52 | dcook | :( |
| 01:52 | jcamins | eythian: agreed. |
| 02:42 | * wizzyrea | almost spit water. |
| 02:43 | * dcook | wonders if this is in response to an earlier comment or just a statement of fact. |
| 02:44 | * jcamins | curses java. |
| 02:45 | mtompset | because of garbage collection? ;) |
| 02:45 | jcamins | No. |
| 02:47 | wizzyrea | it was a response to privacyFix using tracking cookies. |
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| 03:00 | * dcook | ponders gmcharlt's review of The Alchemist |
| 03:02 | dcook | wizzyrea: Yeah, I figured that would be why, but given the time lapse, I figured I'd make sure :p |
| 03:42 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/ZlUhNzp.jpg |
| 03:45 | jcamins | dcook: it never happened. |
| 03:46 | Or, at least, not in 3.x. | |
| 03:46 | dcook | So the manual is wrong? |
| 03:46 | jcamins | Must be, because I have never known that to work. |
| 03:47 | * dcook | was going to say"I'm not insane?" but didn't want to get carried away |
| 03:48 | jcamins | lol |
| 03:48 | No, you probably still are. | |
| 03:48 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:50 | jcamins | Why do I bother with VMs that have <1G/RAM? |
| 03:50 | dcook | That is a very good question |
| 03:50 | jcamins | Gosh, that review certainly is mini. |
| 03:51 | dcook | I've enjoyed the book as entertainment and the fact that it's a quick read has always been its selling point |
| 03:51 | But in terms of literature...I think he's on the money | |
| 03:54 | " Oops. Don't click mandatory on subfields for tags you've never heard of." | |
| 03:54 | Random quote of the dashboard. Hehe. | |
| 03:55 | cait joined #koha | |
| 03:57 | cait | hi #koha |
| 04:01 | dcook | hey ya cait |
| 04:02 | cait | hi dcook |
| 04:02 | :) | |
| 04:03 | dcook | My body must've known that you were coming. I just grabbed my lunch ;) |
| 04:03 | cait | lol |
| 04:03 | but i am early | |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea | good morning cait |
| 04:03 | cait | and i have to leave in a bit more than 30 mins |
| 04:04 | :( | |
| 04:04 | wizzyrea | ew |
| 04:04 | eythian | that's silly |
| 04:06 | dcook | :( |
| 04:09 | cait | the things we do ... |
| 04:09 | eythian | I don't |
| 04:10 | dcook | Yeah, I sleep in |
| 04:10 | Sleep is good | |
| 04:20 | Hmm. What to improve...DC to MARC it is... | |
| 04:23 | mtompset | I thought you were going to improve sleep, like I am now. ;) |
| 04:23 | Have a great day, #koha. :) | |
| 04:36 | dcook | Yes, Dspace...publish unqualified dublincore xml...because that's so helpful... |
| 04:36 | * dcook | grumbles |
| 04:36 | dcook | <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date> |
| 04:36 | <dc:date>2005-06-19T21:07:46Z</dc:date> | |
| 04:36 | <dc:date>2001</dc:date> | |
| 04:36 | What kind of date is each? Who knows? | |
| 04:37 | Hypothetically, we can guess the last one is the issue or publication date because it doesn't thave the seconds attached... | |
| 04:37 | But that is an assumption... | |
| 04:39 | Mmm, perhaps not an issue with Dspace so much as OAI_DC | |
| 04:39 | bleargh | |
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| 05:20 | dcook | Sweeeet |
| 05:20 | Dspace 3 can export QDC (qualified dublin core) | |
| 05:20 | That helps | |
| 05:21 | Although I suppose a DC record could still have 2 publishers and 1 date... | |
| 05:21 | * dcook | re-checks the MARC spec |
| 05:22 | dcook | Mmm, the 260 was made repeatable in 2001 to account for publisher changes over time... |
| 05:22 | So generally speaking all of your different publishers and dates would go into your 260...or your 264 | |
| 05:23 | DC has "Created" and "Issued" qualifiers for Date which don't really distinguish between manufacturer, distributer, or publisher.. | |
| 05:23 | Issued would technically be date of publication, I suppose | |
| 05:26 | O_o | |
| 05:26 | Mmm | |
| 05:27 | * dcook | thinks jcamins was right before...dcook probably IS insan |
| 05:27 | dcook | insane even |
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| 05:39 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 05:39 | dcook | morning drojf :) |
| 05:40 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:40 | * dcook | ponders whether to make a better MARC export for Dspace or to continue working on the DC=>MARC XSLT in Koha... |
| 05:40 | * cait | waves |
| 05:40 | drojf | thinkpad++ |
| 05:40 | cait | drojf: it recovered? |
| 05:41 | drojf | looks like it. i'm using it right now |
| 05:41 | that was not funny at all :/ | |
| 05:41 | cait | yay thinkpad++ |
| 05:42 | i can imagine | |
| 05:42 | drojf | the keyboard could use another shower, feels weird |
| 05:44 | might not be 100% dry from the last one ;) | |
| 05:45 | cait | it will be fine :) |
| 05:50 | @wunder lippstadt | |
| 05:50 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Geseke, Germany is 12.8°C (7:42 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:50 | cait | hm brr? |
| 05:50 | wahanui | brr is right |
| 05:53 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 05:53 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:53 | eythian | supposed to get worse, too. |
| 05:53 | cait | evening eythian |
| 05:53 | eythian | hi |
| 05:53 | cait | how's things? |
| 05:54 | eythian | not too bad |
| 05:54 | it's cold outside though, and probably windy. | |
| 05:55 | cait | sounds about right |
| 05:56 | dcook | The MARC 653 field is so weird....http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd653.html |
| 05:56 | drojf | why? |
| 05:57 | dcook | Instead of having multiple 653 fields, you can just put all of your subject terms in one as separate "a" subfields |
| 05:57 | cait | yep why? :) |
| 05:57 | dcook | Which seems contrary to the other 65x fields.. |
| 05:57 | Or rather 6xx fields | |
| 05:57 | cait | hm |
| 05:57 | we do multiple 653 | |
| 05:57 | drojf | it says repeatable |
| 05:57 | so where is the problem? | |
| 05:57 | cait | i think you can do either |
| 05:58 | drojf | we have multiple ones too |
| 05:58 | cait | the examples look like that too |
| 05:58 | dcook | Yeah, I think you can do either |
| 05:58 | drojf | i used it for… i forgot. something special to our library :) |
| 05:58 | dcook | But it's an option to group together primary and secondary index terms by just repeating subfields |
| 05:59 | cait | ah seem slike therer are indicators involved |
| 06:00 | dcook | Yeah, the first indicator denotes whether it's primary, secondary, or unknown/not provided info |
| 06:00 | drojf | there is even a great bug 9972 to index it ;) *spam* |
| 06:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) |
| 06:00 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:03 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 06:03 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.7°C (8:00 AM CEST on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:04 | dcook | Hmm |
| 06:04 | I think I have some friends in Berlin at the moment | |
| 06:04 | * dcook | is probably making that up |
| 06:04 | dcook | They might actually be in Amsterdam |
| 06:04 | Australians abroad. Partying like crazy, no doubt. | |
| 06:04 | drojf | everybody is in amsterdam atm. seems like it |
| 06:04 | dcook | Yeah? |
| 06:05 | drojf | heh. i met a group of australians at a swedish hostel once. crazy people :D |
| 06:05 | i think they had beer for breakfast | |
| 06:05 | dcook | lol |
| 06:05 | My wife said that in Australia you're allowed to drink alcohol any time of the day | |
| 06:05 | * dcook | thinks she was having some red wine around 11am that day |
| 06:06 | drojf | sounds like a good rule |
| 06:06 | :P | |
| 06:06 | dcook | To be fair, it was the weekend |
| 06:06 | I like that rule :D | |
| 06:06 | * dcook | says drinking from his water bottle |
| 06:09 | drojf | i should either start the caffeine thing or go back to bed for an hour, now that i know i still have a notebook |
| 06:11 | dcook | caffeine! |
| 06:13 | rangi | ohh casey is about to start |
| 06:15 | dcook | rangi: ? |
| 06:16 | rangi | http://cspf.co.uk/tracking |
| 06:17 | http://submerge2emerge.co.nz/ | |
| 06:17 | sea farer II is him, a swimmer from wellington who catalyst sponsor, is going to start swimming the english channel, in about 1 hour | |
| 06:17 | and is going to try for the world record | |
| 06:18 | cait | :) |
| 06:18 | cool | |
| 06:19 | dcook | Cool beans! |
| 06:19 | Catalyst++ | |
| 06:19 | seafarerii++ | |
| 06:20 | Nothing like wanting to contact librarians/developers in Montreal to make you break out the online French-English dictionary... | |
| 06:21 | https://papyrus.bib.umontreal.ca/ | |
| 06:21 | They seem to have a pretty good Marc export of their Dspace.. | |
| 06:24 | hehe | |
| 06:24 | "un harvester" | |
| 06:26 | * dcook | wishes the BibLibre folk were on line.. |
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| 06:30 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:30 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:30 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
| 06:33 | dcook | salut reiveune! |
| 06:33 | I know you just got here, but could I ask you a question or two about English->French translations in a library/IT context? | |
| 06:33 | reiveune | dcook: yes you can |
| 06:34 | cait | hi reiveune |
| 06:34 | reiveune | hi cait :) |
| 06:34 | dcook | How does one say bibliographic record in French? Is it "record bibliographique"? |
| 06:35 | reiveune | dcook: notice bibliographique |
| 06:35 | dcook | Merci :) |
| 06:35 | I would have never guessed that | |
| 06:35 | reiveune | dcook: :) |
| 06:37 | dcook: can you do something for me please ? | |
| 06:40 | someone from New Zealand can go in catalogue.iepgrenoble.biblibre.com and make a simple search with "aborigenes" ? | |
| 06:41 | its to test geolocation with piwik | |
| 06:41 | rangi | he's in australia tho :) |
| 06:41 | but i can try | |
| 06:42 | reiveune | it's better :) |
| 06:42 | thanks rangi | |
| 06:43 | rangi | oh, casey is swimming now |
| 06:43 | cait | :) |
| 06:46 | rangi | reiveune: there is currently a nzer swimming from england to your country :) |
| 06:46 | cait | crazy ;) |
| 06:46 | reiveune | great \o/ |
| 06:48 | dcook | sorry, was on the phone for a minute |
| 06:48 | * dcook | is back |
| 06:50 | dcook | Is Casey out in front? |
| 06:52 | rangi | yep, yellow arrowhead |
| 06:53 | dcook: https://www.facebook.com/Casey[…]s/512573118817821 | |
| 06:53 | dcook | So are most of those arrows boats? |
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| 06:53 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:53 | wahanui | bidet, gaetan_B |
| 06:53 | rangi | yep thats teh support boat |
| 06:53 | will be alongside the swimmer | |
| 06:55 | dcook | There are 6 arrows though? |
| 06:57 | I think I got tired after 6 or so lengths of the 20m pool a few weeks ago :p | |
| 06:58 | rangi | 6.55 hours is the fastest |
| 06:58 | dcook | 33.1km? |
| 06:58 | rangi | 10.31 is the fastest this year |
| 06:59 | yep | |
| 06:59 | dcook | If I did .1 of a km, then that means... |
| 06:59 | :p | |
| 07:00 | Swimmers are amazing | |
| 07:01 | reiveune: One more question. What are controlfields, datafields, and subfields called in French? | |
| 07:01 | rangi | he did cook strait which is 29km in 4 hours 37 |
| 07:01 | dcook | Ufda |
| 07:02 | He can sure swim | |
| 07:02 | rangi | so there is a possibility .. if its his day, and the weather is good |
| 07:02 | reiveune | dcook: controlfields : champs de contrôle ; datafields : champs ; subfields : sous-champs |
| 07:02 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 07:02 | Merci beaucoup, reiveune :) | |
| 07:02 | reiveune | :) |
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| 07:04 | dcook | Mmm, maybe one more question |
| 07:04 | Notice is a masculine or feminine noun? | |
| 07:04 | masculine? | |
| 07:04 | No, feminine | |
| 07:04 | Joubu | dcook: une notice, so feminine |
| 07:04 | reiveune | dcook: feminin |
| 07:05 | dcook | Joubu: My French, so rusty ;) |
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| 07:05 | dcook | Merci both of you :) |
| 07:08 | cait | bonjour Joubu |
| 07:08 | :) | |
| 07:10 | Joubu | hello cait |
| 07:10 | wahanui | hello cait are you here? |
| 07:17 | dcook | Thanks again, reiveune |
| 07:17 | I'm sure I'll see Casey's results on your FB, rangi ;) | |
| 07:17 | ta all | |
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| 07:18 | cait | hm running out of battery on the laptop |
| 07:18 | and still over an hour until switching trains | |
| 07:18 | annoying | |
| 07:18 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
| 07:19 | cait | hi samueld |
| 07:19 | and bye all - bbl | |
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| 08:54 | * cait1 | waves from the next train |
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| 09:50 | * Oak | waves |
| 09:50 | Oak | cait! are you well? still home? |
| 09:50 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 09:50 | huginn` | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 34.0°C (2:00 PM PKT on September 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:55 | cait | Oak: travelling today, giving training tomorrow |
| 09:56 | Oak | ah good. |
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| 09:57 | cait | looking forward to get there and meet everyone in person i have talked to over the phone :) |
| 09:58 | Oak | :) |
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| 12:26 | khall | @later tell Joubu can you revist qa on 7720 when you have the time? thanks! |
| 12:26 | huginn` | khall: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:50 | Joubu | khall: yep, I will try to do that shortly. It is on my todo list! :) |
| 12:50 | khall | thanks! |
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| 13:07 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:08 | logs? | |
| 13:08 | wahanui | logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
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| 13:11 | tcohen | how was the qa meeting yesterday? |
| 13:12 | druthb | QA-ey. cait ran a good meeting as always. |
| 13:13 | tcohen | heh |
| 13:27 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 13:27 | druthb | Hi, mtompset! :) |
| 13:28 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. Your greetings have been rather automated lately. Are you human? :P |
| 13:28 | Greetings, #koha. | |
| 13:29 | druthb | perhaps. |
| 13:29 | mtompset | Okay, I have a patch that I like, but I looked at one file, and realized it was a pointless refactor. How do I get the origin/master version of the file back? |
| 13:29 | * SkittlesBot | chucks Skittles at mtompset. |
| 13:30 | mtompset | And now you are going to claim it wasn't you, druthb? :P |
| 13:30 | * druthb | stands mute, and a plea of "not guilty" was entered by the Court. |
| 13:31 | mtompset | druthb? |
| 13:31 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 13:32 | druthb | :P |
| 13:33 | tcohen | git checkout origin/master file |
| 13:35 | hi mtompset | |
| 13:35 | mtompset | I had just figured that out. Greetings, tcohen. |
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| 14:21 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10634 - Use datatables for course details items table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]171ca3387ac2999ac> |
| 14:23 | jcamins | In other news, physicists try to determine whether universe is a simulation. |
| 14:24 | (really!) | |
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| 14:27 | tcohen | that sounds weird |
| 14:27 | because a simulation would be a model of what we belive things are | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | tcohen: or a model of what *other people* believe things are. |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:29 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009) |
| 14:30 | tcohen | i'd like to see them try to prove god is the biggest model for the universe |
| 14:31 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10755 - Add "Keyword as Phrase" to staff client advanced search indexes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]995bc92bb46cdfa02> / Bug 10361: (follow-up) add tests for search history functions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4eca4f4ce969ad9a7> / Bug 10361: Add option to cleanup_database.pl to purge OPAC search hist |
| 14:33 | drojf | jcamins: what are they doing to find out? trying to contact the person whose smartphone app we are part of? |
| 14:33 | tcohen | they want to prove the definition of simulation is sound |
| 14:33 | :-P | |
| 14:34 | drojf | i like to think of earth as a part of some old, rotting fruit and our goal is to convert it to dust. we are pretty good at that |
| 14:35 | jcamins | drojf: they're looking for a non-continuous maximum power for cosmic waves, or something like that. |
| 14:36 | druthb | US Politics is part of a simulation being set up by the future for their entertainment. A future Monty Python's Flying Circus. |
| 14:41 | mtompset | Yes, but if there an infinitely set of nested simulations, at what point does the host environment fail? |
| 14:41 | there are... | |
| 14:42 | druthb++ # good joke. :) | |
| 14:43 | druthb | joke? |
| 14:43 | * druthb | reviews the log looking for her last joke. |
| 14:44 | jcamins | mtompset: it doesn't, because if the host environment fails, the simulations being run never existed. |
| 14:44 | drojf | i loved monty python's flying circus for the great range of british accents they used. i miss that in us politics ;) |
| 14:45 | druthb | They missed one important and useful part of the Circus in the US Politics simulation, though—we need Silly Walks. |
| 14:45 | drojf | heh |
| 14:45 | * druthb | pictures jcamins silly-walking, and giggles. |
| 14:46 | mtompset | Oh stop it, druthb. :P |
| 14:46 | jcamins for prez! ;) | |
| 14:46 | druthb | jcamins would make a great benevolent dictator. |
| 14:47 | mtompset | -- leader. |
| 14:47 | druthb | he's *already* a great leader. He'd make a great benevolent dictator. |
| 14:48 | * druthb | is seeking an appointment as Jestress to the Royal Court. |
| 14:50 | mtompset | jcamins: Would you be a dictator if could be? I don't see him as a dictatorial type, benevolent or otherwise. I do see a passionate leader who works for the best, something like the president of the US needs to do. ;) |
| 14:51 | jcamins | mtompset: maybe, maybe not. |
| 14:57 | drojf | as a leader, you would have to take good care of your position 05 |
| 14:57 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:59 | mtompset | position 05? Is that a MARC joke? |
| 15:00 | drojf | yes. i made a MARC joke. what have i become… |
| 15:00 | jcamins | drojf: my laugh was rueful. |
| 15:01 | drojf | lol |
| 15:03 | druthb | drojf: welcome to the Dark Side. jcamins makes the cookies. |
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| 15:03 | * cait | waves |
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| 15:03 | druthb | Hi, cait! :) |
| 15:04 | drojf | hi cait |
| 15:04 | druthb: :) | |
| 15:04 | cait | just a quick visit at my hotel room, then i am off again |
| 15:05 | drojf | oh jcamins: i got some chickpea flour today. it's only 10x the price of wheat flour. :/ |
| 15:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:05 | jcamins | drojf: ouch. |
| 15:05 | cait | ouch |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Three times the price here. |
| 15:06 | drojf | i'll have to find it in another store maybe, this one is organic and idon'tknow. harvested at full moon or something |
| 15:22 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/wVnQxmwUvgI (Muppet Thor wants Library Books) |
| 15:22 | chris_n | can anyone confirm that koha fails to properly process a hold on items with a hold which are checked *in* via the self-checkout mode? |
| 15:23 | * chris_n | smells a bug |
| 15:24 | cait | tehy are not set to waiting |
| 15:24 | yes | |
| 15:24 | that's a feature for our libraries tho :) | |
| 15:25 | tcohen | do we have unit tests fr the reading history stuff? |
| 15:25 | cait | i think the reason had something to do with slip printing and the hold notices |
| 15:26 | chris_n: checkin/checkout notices from self check are problematic too - missing the item information it seems | |
| 15:26 | chris_n | cait: so I'll open a bug for the sco issue |
| 15:27 | cait | chris_n: i think it's by design, just maybe needs a pref, if the 'not waiting' part is what bothers you |
| 15:27 | but i am not sur if that is your problem | |
| 15:28 | * cait | should be quiet |
| 15:28 | chris_n | yes, we do not print notices; we have koha send them via email, so they should fill automatically in our case |
| 15:28 | so maybe what you suggest is the fix :) | |
| 15:28 | I'll have a look | |
| 15:28 | cait | hm not sure, but we might be talking around each other :) |
| 15:28 | chris_n | its about time I did something Koha related anyway |
| 15:28 | cait | for holds maybe ake a look at bug 9138 |
| 15:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9138 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, SIP2 failing to mark reserves waiting, and sending blank emails |
| 15:29 | cait | bug 3638 |
| 15:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3638 normal, P2, ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Status of hold not changed when item checked in via SIP2 Interface |
| 15:29 | cait | the thing with the email checkout slips i haven't reported yet, but i have a ticket form one of our libraries - totally unrelated to holds :) |
| 15:29 | chris_n | well, the worst part is that if a patron checks in via sco, no one is notified that the item with a hold on it has been returned, so no one can complete the process |
| 15:29 | cait | it will show up in your holds to pick report |
| 15:29 | holds to pull? holds queue? | |
| 15:29 | both i think | |
| 15:30 | * chris_n | senses that this may be a librarian training issue rather than a bug |
| 15:30 | cait | and we have a report that the library uses, so they can print the reserve slips on the circulation desk |
| 15:30 | chris_n | and I'd rather work on a bug any day :P |
| 15:30 | I'll take a look at that report | |
| 15:32 | I see it | |
| 15:33 | however, I think what they are looking for is something like: check-in via sco > automatically fill highest priority hold | |
| 15:34 | so I'm not sure if that is possible currently | |
| 15:36 | cait | how will the user know where the item is? |
| 15:36 | and how will it get to the pickup location | |
| 15:36 | ? | |
| 15:36 | the hold will be filled as soon as you check it in again - at least that's all how it is in 3.6 | |
| 15:36 | we have one library that does self checkin with sip | |
| 15:37 | oh - are we talking sip or web based sco? | |
| 15:37 | i might be too confused today :) | |
| 15:40 | chris_n | cait: the patron who set the hold receives an email stating the hold is available and at location X |
| 15:40 | that part works great | |
| 15:40 | ie: if the item is checked in at the circ desk, the librarian fills the hold and the patron receives an email | |
| 15:41 | but all bets are off if the item is checked in via sco | |
| 15:41 | mtompset | Lunch time. Bye, #koha. |
| 15:42 | cait | chris_n: are you using the web based or a sip2 based self check? |
| 15:42 | chris_n | web based |
| 15:42 | cait | ah ok |
| 15:42 | i misunderstood then | |
| 15:42 | chris_n | yeah |
| 15:42 | cait | i don't work with that |
| 15:42 | chris_n | web based sco has some issues :) |
| 15:42 | * chris_n | does not think many people use it |
| 15:43 | chris_n | there should probably be a common self-check backend |
| 15:43 | into which one could plug any sort of front | |
| 15:43 | * cait | hands chris_n a cookie as apology for being confusing |
| 15:44 | chris_n | accepted, but really you were not too confusing |
| 15:44 | it made me think the problem through differently | |
| 15:44 | and I now know about hold reports | |
| 15:45 | cait | :) |
| 15:45 | * chris_n | hands cait a mint chocolate brownie for being helpful |
| 15:45 | cait | yay! |
| 15:48 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 16:44 | tcohen | gmcharlt: do u have at hand a search history cookie? |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | tcohen: not tasty at all! |
| 16:45 | * gmcharlt | checks |
| 16:45 | drojf | jcamins: i did not expect chickpea flour to be that powerful! got a massive dough now. \o/ |
| 16:46 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: search cookie" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 |
| 16:47 | tcohen | gmcharlt++ |
| 16:48 | jcamins | drojf: yay! |
| 16:48 | Hey, I need a reminder about some basic Perl. | |
| 16:49 | If I want to mock the routine used by new Object(), what routine do I mock? | |
| 16:49 | Object::new, or do I need to do something more subtle? | |
| 16:52 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5904: make patron search autocompletion respect IndependentBranches <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]acec15648f7c5ccd9> |
| 16:52 | tcohen | you mock the routine |
| 16:53 | i'm doing $auth->mock('checkauth', \&MockedCheckauth); | |
| 16:53 | for use in get_template_and_user | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | tcohen: sorry, I meant, literally, I want to mock "new Object()" |
| 16:53 | I'm going to try mocking Object->new. | |
| 16:54 | If that doesn't work I'll go digging. | |
| 16:54 | tcohen | You could use Test::MockObject instead |
| 17:02 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10786: fix Javascript error on the parcel page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]df42f395c89c8df0f> |
| 17:07 | jcamins | tcohen: looks like mocking Object->new works. |
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| 17:08 | tcohen | great jcamins |
| 17:09 | what was the way of testing something is an array? | |
| 17:12 | jcamins | I don't remember. |
| 17:15 | tcohen | np |
| 17:16 | gmcharlt | tcohen: 'any' for List::MoreUtils |
| 17:24 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10588: improve selection of default branch for OPAC popular items pag <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fbacbd8e57cd7eb35> |
| 17:26 | tcohen | List::MoreUtils, I remember loving 'any' |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Hey, you know what I just noticed? |
| 17:32 | C4::Matcher would appear to have an over-liberal match policy for bib records. | |
| 17:34 | tcohen | btw, Data::Printer is awesome |
| 17:35 | bye #koha, and shana tova | |
| 17:38 | jcamins | Oh, yeah. |
| 17:38 | It's Rosh Hashana today. | |
| 17:38 | * jcamins | distributes apples and honey. |
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| 17:53 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:54 | jcamins: I was curious about how the facet problem (mis-counts and showing things that should be hidden) is being addressed in the search re-write. Any information on that? | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | mtompset: it's not being addressed at all at this time. |
| 17:55 | If and when it is addressed, it will be by using a real faceter and not some hacked up thing in C4::Search. | |
| 17:56 | mtompset | So, a solr search setup will have the same facet'ing problem that zebra does, because the facets are "hacked up" in C4::Search? |
| 17:56 | jcamins | No, because the current Solr code doesn't support anything that uses C4::Search. |
| 17:58 | mtompset | okay, perhaps I am misunderstanding something. Are the search re-write and the solr code different but overlapping? |
| 17:58 | jcamins | So I suppose it's possible you would consider the faceting worse. |
| 17:58 | Yes. | |
| 17:59 | Unrelated. | |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt: I have a question for you about database-dependent versus non-database-dependent unit tests. | |
| 17:59 | I'm adding a db-dependent test for C4::Matcher. | |
| 17:59 | There is already a t/Matcher.t. | |
| 18:00 | I was adding it as a different file: t/db_dependent/Matcher_auth.t. Does that make sense? | |
| 18:00 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yes |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 18:01 | It irks me to make it db-dependent since it doesn't actually require a database, just C4::Context, but discretion being the better part of valor, db-dependent is where it's going. | |
| 18:02 | gmcharlt | yeah, there's been various approaches for mocking bits of C4::Context -- would be worth it document and consolidate |
| 18:06 | jcamins | gmcharlt: okay, another question about unit tests: I wrote a unit test in order to prove some changes (6 lines) to C4::Matcher correct. My inclination is to break it into two patches, unit test first. Is that over-thinking it? |
| 18:07 | gmcharlt | jcamins: separate patches match my preference |
| 18:07 | it's like telling a story -- tests for new functionality (or regressions), then main patch, then a happy ending of tests passing | |
| 18:08 | jcamins | In this case, the unit test actually passes both before and after the patch. |
| 18:08 | It's a missing follow-up to QueryParser, which makes C4::Matcher use SimpleSearch for auths. | |
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| 18:15 | gmcharlt | cool |
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| 18:24 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9603 - Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5d96db5702565f1bf> |
| 19:28 | mtompset | jcamins: Thanks for the comment. I know there is no updated test plan, because I didn't notice an original one. |
| 19:29 | jcamins | mtompset: A) there needs to be a test plan, and B) you definitely have to address why upload.pl is now dependent on Koha's plugin system, which is entirely unrelated to the cataloging plugins generally. |
| 19:29 | If it is not dependent on the plugin system, you should note that fact. | |
| 19:30 | mtompset | You mean I should set it to no enable_plugins? I thought I had to get it to work. |
| 19:30 | I suppose I should test that. :) | |
| 19:30 | jcamins | I mean that shouldn't be required because the two systems should be unconnected. |
| 19:30 | If there is any connection, you need to explain what it is. | |
| 19:31 | mtompset | Okay... I'll do that later tonight, I finally scrolled back and found the old test plan in comment number 3. |
| 19:31 | did you try to apply the patch? | |
| 19:32 | Or are you waiting on the test plan? | |
| 19:32 | jcamins | I didn't look at it because it mentioned the plugins and didn't have an updated test plan. |
| 19:33 | mtompset | okay. |
| 19:34 | I was just curious if I had messed up the patch and it didn't apply either. :) | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | I would've marked it Patch doesn't apply if it didn't apply. |
| 19:49 | rangi | fastest swim of the year :) |
| 19:52 | by 1 hour | |
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| 20:03 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
| 20:11 | drojf | rangi: the map never updated for me so i thought he is still swimming circles to get in the mood. |
| 20:11 | rangi | heh |
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| 20:57 | * cait | waves |
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| 21:21 | rangi | back |
| 21:24 | eythian | http://www.thisiscolossal.com/[…]e-book-paintings/ |
| 21:25 | cait | hi rangi and eythian |
| 21:25 | eythian | hi cait |
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| 21:31 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLlDIzi8SU |
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| 22:01 | pianohacker | rangi: ... what the hell am I watching? |
| 22:01 | rangi | hehe, just a slice of nz |
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| 22:40 | jcamins | What should we have for dinner? |
| 22:40 | cjh | jcamins: pizza. |
| 22:40 | jcamins | cjh: oooh. |
| 22:40 | Yum. | |
| 22:40 | Alas, no cheese. | |
| 22:41 | Also, I'm not sure I'm waiting until the tomato sauce is done. | |
| 22:47 | eythian | you don't need cheese on pizza, though it is typically there. |
| 22:48 | jcamins | eythian: I don't have a lot of else, either. |
| 22:48 | *lot else | |
| 22:48 | eythian | sounds like it'll be a pizza base for dinner then! |
| 22:48 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 23:10 | ibeardslee | cook it, let it cool and then put icecream and chocolate sauce on it |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | you could do something like bearnaise sauce, and caramelised onions |
| 23:12 | and... olives | |
| 23:12 | or... chipotle soaked pineapple | |
| 23:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea: wow. You have a weird pantry. :P |
| 23:14 | I just made some tortellini and we had some tomato sauce with it. | |
| 23:16 | Very chunky tomato sauce, since it's still too hot to blend. | |
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| 23:29 | pianohacker | Hey #koha, I have a UI question for you. The new cataloging editor uses pazpar2 to do its z3950 search, which is awesome and easy, but comes with one downside |
| 23:29 | The results are loaded several times, as pazpar2 gets more results and re-sorts them | |
| 23:30 | would you personally prefer to just wait until everything is loaded, or have some approach where, say, if your cursor was above the results, they wouldn't reload until you moved back off? | |
| 23:30 | dcook | I'm not sure I follow, pianohacker |
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| 23:31 | jcamins | Depends on the latency, but probably I'd prefer it to load fast and frequently. |
| 23:31 | eythian | make it grey and not interactible with until loading has completed? That way you can see progress, but it doesn't mess up by jumping around underneath you. |
| 23:31 | dcook | Do you mean something along the lines of "Load X results" then if the scroll down or put your cursor lower down then "Load X + Y results"? |
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| 23:31 | jcamins | Yeah, eythian's suggestion makes sense. |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | jcamins: That's definitely nice; the problem is that if you're busy looking at or interacting with results, then they reload, it's a bit jarring |
| 23:32 | eythian: Hmm, that seems pretty reasonable | |
| 23:32 | jcamins | pianohacker: right, that's why you have to make the reload not jarring. |
| 23:33 | dcook | Although people are probably fairly use to jarring from FB and other sites |
| 23:33 | tcohen | jarring? |
| 23:33 | jcamins | dcook: from Facebook? |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | Sudden and disorienting |
| 23:33 | Some kind of crossfade, maybe? | |
| 23:34 | eythian | dcook: that is never an excuse :) |
| 23:34 | tcohen | wahanui: what's the context? |
| 23:34 | wahanui | no idea, tcohen |
| 23:34 | dcook | jcamins: Yeah, some of the screens load a certain number of results and then only load more once you scroll to the bottom, which sometimes causes that jarring effect |
| 23:34 | jcamins | dcook: I think that's different, because you are doing something to trigger the reloda. |
| 23:35 | *reload | |
| 23:35 | dcook | eythian: You might have a point there, but when it comes to UI design, I don't think we even ask normal users |
| 23:35 | eythian | dcook: they're resorting though, so it's different. |
| 23:35 | dcook | Mmm, right resorting. |
| 23:35 | I suppose I don't really understand what the UI is supposed to look like in any case. | |
| 23:35 | pianohacker | hrm... screenshot time |
| 23:35 | dcook | :D |
| 23:36 | * dcook | is a fan of screenshots |
| 23:36 | tcohen | are you talking about Koha's UI? |
| 23:36 | eythian | wahanui: irc logs |
| 23:36 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 23:36 | eythian | tcohen: ^ :) |
| 23:36 | tcohen | ok ok |
| 23:39 | pianohacker | http://i.imgur.com/8ewb1Bx.png <-- Search UI for new cataloging interface |
| 23:40 | dcook | New cataloguing interface or new Z39.50 interface? |
| 23:40 | Errr...my question didn't make sense | |
| 23:41 | * dcook | tries to reword |
| 23:41 | dcook | Are you able to edit the MARC in this interface? |
| 23:41 | Actually, feel free to ignore that too. I don't want to get off topic. | |
| 23:41 | * dcook | thinks eythian's original idea is probably best |
| 23:41 | eythian | it's a search interface |
| 23:41 | pianohacker | dcook: You would click on open to bring it into the cataloging interface under that popup |
| 23:42 | jcamins | Yeah, I think you need to show the results ASAP, but not make them interactive. |
| 23:42 | dcook | mhm |
| 23:43 | pianohacker | I like this plan :) |
| 23:44 | Any thoughts on the search interface in general? Static images are only so helpful, of course, but most of what you can do is on display | |
| 23:45 | dcook | To be honest, I think it would make the most sense to ask cataloguing librarians |
| 23:45 | * dcook | supposes he used to be a cataloguing librarian |
| 23:46 | dcook | I might use different labels than "Open" and "Substitute" |
| 23:46 | I like the targets on the left though | |
| 23:46 | tcohen | librarians often do trial and error on the cataloguing quality of the retreived records |
| 23:47 | dcook | Trial and error? |
| 23:47 | pianohacker | dcook: I was fighting with those, the difference is subtle... One opens the search result as a new record, the other transposes its contents into the current record |
| 23:47 | eythian | pianohacker: "open as new", "replace current record" |
| 23:48 | pianohacker | eythian: Clear but verbose |
| 23:48 | dcook | "New" "Replace" ? |
| 23:48 | pianohacker | "Open" and "Replace current", maybe? |
| 23:49 | dcook | To me "open" is basically the same as "view" |
| 23:49 | jcamins | I don't like "Open." |
| 23:49 | I agree with dcook. | |
| 23:49 | "Open" means "I want to look at this record." | |
| 23:49 | eythian | hmm yeah |
| 23:49 | jcamins | "Import" is better. |
| 23:49 | eythian | yes, it is |
| 23:50 | dcook | Although both options are a type of import |
| 23:50 | pianohacker | fair enough, makes sense |
| 23:51 | dcook | Although, I assume "substitute" only comes up when you're using z39.50 within the context of an existing record |
| 23:51 | So "Import" probably is the best bet | |
| 23:51 | pianohacker | dcook: yes |
| 23:51 | dcook | I suppose people would soon figure out that "Import" allows them to edit before saving as well |
| 23:51 | Sorry, I'm babbling | |
| 23:52 | pianohacker | There is pervasive undo, so either one isn't the end of the world :) |
| 23:52 | dcook | Overall, I'm liking this |
| 23:52 | * dcook | was always a fan of that type of MARC interface |
| 23:53 | dcook | Very clean |
| 23:53 | pianohacker: Are you also working on a new editor screen? | |
| 23:54 | Or an "advanced editor"? | |
| 23:54 | pianohacker | dcook: Yes indeed, has about the same format as the MARC display from that screenshot, just with fancier fixed field editing |
| 23:55 | dcook | :D |
| 23:56 | pianohacker++ | |
| 23:56 | That is awesome news | |
| 23:56 | eythian | dcook: pianohacker seems to pretty good at this sort of thing. IIRC the sysprefs interface is also his from quite some time ago. |
| 23:56 | pianohacker | Yup, with some polishing by oleonard |
| 23:56 | but thank you eythian :) | |
| 23:56 | dcook | pianohacker++ |
| 23:56 | ;) | |
| 23:57 | I think two of my biggest pet peaves in Koha are probably the search and the cataloguing, so super excited for your work there | |
| 23:59 | pianohacker | dcook: Glad to hear! I have nengard as my main advisor, so trust me, it should be much better than the current one |
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