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| 00:44 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:04 | rangi | @quote random |
| 01:04 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
| 02:58 | rangi | @quote get 273 |
| 02:58 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #273: "rangi: The main thing I came to realise is -- 'Your cataloguing standards are bad, and you should feel bad' - which translates to - 'friends don't let friends use RDA'" (added by wizzyrea at 01:04 AM, August 30, 2013) |
| 02:59 | rangi | ibeardslee: ^^ |
| 02:59 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | your good ones always end in 3 |
| 03:19 | ibeardslee | rangi: is that in relation to that other discussion? |
| 03:20 | rangi | that was in relation to the 'dont design a cataloguing standard thing, when stephen said think of yourself as a librarian' |
| 03:20 | ibeardslee | ahh |
| 03:34 | eythian | wahanui: two kinds of people |
| 03:34 | wahanui | eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 03:35 | eythian | wahanui: two kinds of people is those who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. |
| 03:35 | wahanui | eythian: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:35 | eythian | wahanui: two kinds of people is those \who belive in false dichotomies, and everyone else. |
| 03:35 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:35 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | 10 kinds of people are those who understand binary, and those who don't. |
| 04:24 | eythian | http://www.artvcancer.com/prod[…]hat-thing-he-s-on <-- wizzyrea |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | hehe |
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| 04:34 | dac | Hmm |
| 04:34 | dcook | yata! |
| 05:31 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:31 | dcook | PHP...you make me a little crazy... |
| 05:31 | hey ya cait :) | |
| 05:32 | Actually, maybe it's just the code I'm looking at right now which is mindboggling bad... | |
| 05:32 | cait | hi dcook |
| 06:31 | bbl :) | |
| 06:32 | dcook | ta cait :) |
| 06:32 | rangi | https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]74781442825256961 |
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| 06:33 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:33 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
| 06:33 | cait | lol |
| 06:33 | no idea what accessit is | |
| 06:34 | dcook | Me either |
| 06:34 | * dcook | is looking up info |
| 06:35 | dcook | So far I'm getting a buzzwords and pure marketing. |
| 06:35 | cait | hm yeah and microsort |
| 06:35 | microsoft | |
| 06:35 | but i have to go :) | |
| 06:35 | brb | |
| 06:35 | rangi | its some nz schools thing |
| 06:36 | http://www.accessitlibrary.co.uk/ | |
| 06:36 | dcook | Yeah, that's the link I'm reading now |
| 06:36 | Visiting rather | |
| 06:38 | rangi | im never really one for feature vs feature comparisons, specially when its apples to oranges, like free software vs proprietary |
| 06:38 | features are for today, freedom is forever | |
| 06:39 | dcook | True that |
| 06:41 | Not really digging their website. It's very much "Buy our software. It's on the Internet!" | |
| 06:41 | I don't know. Once you go open source, I don't know why you'd want to go back. | |
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| 06:59 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:00 | kf joined #koha | |
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| 07:20 | * kf | waves |
| 07:21 | rangi | hi gaetan_B abd kf |
| 07:21 | kf | hi rangi :) |
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| 07:25 | dcook | Hey ya drojf |
| 07:25 | Night everyone else | |
| 07:25 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:25 | dcook is too fast for at this time of day | |
| 07:26 | kf | :) |
| 07:26 | morning drojf | |
| 07:26 | did you write your 3 pages? | |
| 07:26 | rangi | hi drojf |
| 07:26 | drojf | hi kf and rangi |
| 07:26 | i wanted four ;) i think i got more but i did not latexify it yet | |
| 07:27 | kf | i just wanted to be nice ;) |
| 07:28 | drojf | :) |
| 07:33 | rangi | gaetan_B: can you get croinuts in marseille ? |
| 07:33 | gaetan_B | croinuts ? |
| 07:33 | rangi | its a cross between a donut and a croissant |
| 07:33 | gaetan_B | o_O |
| 07:34 | never heard of those | |
| 07:34 | i'll look out for them then ! | |
| 07:34 | rangi | http://www.bordeauxbakery.co.nz/home/ |
| 07:34 | they are really really good :) | |
| 07:34 | gaetan_B | i'm in paris so it might be easier to find them here |
| 07:34 | rangi | ahh true |
| 07:35 | it's lucky that bakery is not on my way to work | |
| 07:35 | or i would eat them every day | |
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| 07:37 | gaetan_B | is it new zealand english or are they actually writing english in the french style |
| 07:37 | "our dear customers" | |
| 07:37 | ? | |
| 07:38 | rangi | english in the french style :) |
| 07:38 | i think they only moved to nz about 5 years ago | |
| 07:38 | gaetan_B | ok :) |
| 07:39 | rangi | http://www.lacloche.co.nz/ <-- this is my favourite french cafe in wellington |
| 07:41 | kf | rangi: if you ate them every day i would be worried about your health |
| 07:41 | but i bet they are delicious | |
| 07:42 | all evil things are :) | |
| 07:42 | drojf | "the Cronut (the name is trademarked)". so "croinuts" is the free and open source bakeware version? |
| 07:42 | rangi | must be |
| 07:43 | drojf | :) |
| 07:45 | 'cronuts are "a bold step forward for pastry,"' <-- rofl | |
| 07:46 | gaetan_B | actually the idea of deep frying a croissant is quite outrageous if you ask me :D |
| 07:46 | rangi | hehe |
| 07:46 | paul_p: are you on the code4lib mailing list? | |
| 07:47 | paul_p | hi rangi. Yes I do, except I don't read all the messages, there are too many |
| 07:47 | rangi | http://www.mail-archive.com/co[…]edu/msg20174.html |
| 07:48 | paul_p | lol :D |
| 07:49 | kf | paul_p: guess you have to come up with a plan on how to import french cheese into US now - although I think they probably don't let you in with dangerous things like that :) |
| 07:49 | rangi | oh yes |
| 07:49 | paul_p | strange, I have no message since aug 28th |
| 07:49 | rangi | http://www.mail-archive.com/co[…]edu/msg20175.html |
| 07:50 | paul_p | kf = yes I will. I already tried in 2009, and having some cheese properly packed is OK. at least it was for this man that was on the borders ;-) |
| 07:50 | rangi | :) |
| 07:51 | kf | paul_p: i might try swiss chocolate - even if i am not directly in switzerland - but maybe it counts that you can just cross the border from the inner city :) |
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| 08:33 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:33 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.9°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:33 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 08:33 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:40 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:40 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (10:40 AM CEST on September 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:40 | * kf | wins |
| 10:52 | vfernandes joined #koha | |
| 10:54 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 10:54 | guys i'm having a strange problem in koha 3.12 | |
| 10:56 | if I try to add one item to one migrated record the items cataloguing fields appear | |
| 10:57 | if I create a new record, when trying to add new items the items cataloguing fields are hidden | |
| 10:57 | what could be? | |
| 10:59 | wait... my bad :/ the models are different and the subfields are invisible in the editor | |
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| 11:40 | samueld joined #koha | |
| 11:40 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
| 11:42 | i've a question: when i enabled the system preferences "patronimages", photo of borrower can be imported in koha but where these photos are located in koha? Where i have to define the source where i dowload photos? | |
| 11:50 | vfernandes | they are saved in the database |
| 11:51 | patronimages table or something like that | |
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| 11:51 | kf | samueld: there is a tool for mass uploading and you can upload the photo from the patron record |
| 11:51 | samueld: there is no automated download | |
| 11:52 | samueld: the photos are stored in a database table linked to your borrower record, i think it's patronimages | |
| 11:53 | vfernandes | for mass uploading you need to have a zip file with the images, where each image needs to have borrowernumber as name |
| 11:53 | kf | oh sorry vfernandes - i missed your answer |
| 11:54 | should read more carefully | |
| 11:54 | vfernandes | kf I've already solved my problem |
| 11:55 | the subfields where hidden in one framework | |
| 11:55 | thanks anyway :) | |
| 11:56 | samueld | thank you vfernandes :-) |
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| 12:32 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:35 | @later tell dcook, please share your merge. it looks like the ajax call is not given a json content-type | |
| 12:35 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:49 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:52 | tcohen | hi druthb |
| 12:53 | druthb | hi, tcohen. :) |
| 12:53 | kf | hi dc |
| 12:53 | hi druthb and tcohen | |
| 12:54 | tcohen | #koha: is HTML5 stuff like file drag and drop acceptable for the staff interface? |
| 12:54 | (cover images upload) | |
| 12:55 | please, don't flood the IRC with your responses :-P | |
| 12:55 | hi kf | |
| 13:06 | kf | tcohen: i thik jcamins did something with drag and drop for the opac plugins |
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| 13:06 | kf | i am a bit worried about accessibility - not sure if you could do a fallback? |
| 13:07 | tcohen | we currently have a way to upload cover images on the tools section |
| 13:08 | a fallback mode can be done, using a simple file upload dialog i guess | |
| 13:12 | kf | if there is another way that seems ok, but i am not really an expert |
| 13:12 | file upload sounds good too | |
| 13:15 | jcamins | I don't really see any problems with accessibility. |
| 13:16 | kf | cool :) |
| 13:16 | hm | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | If your browser doesn't support HTML5, you're going to have problems no matter what. |
| 13:16 | kf | someon else having problems accessing git? |
| 13:17 | ah now it worked :) | |
| 13:26 | powerpoint-- | |
| 13:27 | tcohen | impress 4.1 worked great for me |
| 13:36 | kf | tcohen: the problem is always the drawings and diagrams for me |
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| 13:37 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:38 | kf | tcohen: using existing slides |
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| 13:38 | mtompset | Greetings, kf tcohen lds. :) |
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| 13:44 | druthb | Hi, mtompset! :) |
| 13:45 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. :) |
| 13:45 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
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| 14:10 | McCloud joined #koha | |
| 14:27 | McCloud | Is anyone here familiar with how Git or GitHub is set up during the Debian package install process? |
| 14:30 | mtompset | I thought it was on the wiki page. |
| 14:31 | oh... packages don't set up git. | |
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| 14:32 | mtompset | git? |
| 14:32 | wahanui | hmmm... git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 14:32 | mtompset | That page is probably best for you, if you intend to install a development system. |
| 14:33 | packages? | |
| 14:33 | wahanui | i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 14:33 | mtompset | That page is best if you are doing a production system installation. :) |
| 14:33 | kf | McCloud: do you want to do development? |
| 14:40 | McCloud | I'm trying to understand this concept of version control system on my Debian system, compared to say a Ubuntu system. I basically want to know if setting up Debian installs Git or is it set up during the install of Koha? |
| 14:40 | jcamins | McCloud: no. Ideally installing Koha for production should never involve version control. |
| 14:41 | And development is not particularly tied to the Linux flavor, though you'll have a lot more luck with with Koha using Debian/Ubuntu/Mint than using Fedora/CentOS/RHEL. | |
| 14:41 | kf | McCloud: you only need git if you want to do local changes/development. |
| 14:43 | McCloud | thank you |
| 14:46 | jcamins | McCloud: there is a tool you can use to convert a package installation to use git, if you want to do development while still having all the scripts that come with the packages. |
| 14:47 | mtompset | gitify? |
| 14:47 | wahanui | gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 14:47 | mtompset | I see someone did program it. :) |
| 15:13 | * McCloud[A] | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 15:20 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 15:37 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 15:55 | drojf | evening #koha |
| 15:55 | kf | evening drojf |
| 15:56 | drojf | hi kf |
| 15:58 | druthb | hi, drojf! :) |
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| 16:08 | tcohen | hi drojf |
| 16:09 | drojf | hi druthb and tcohen |
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| 16:19 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:19 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:26 | tcohen | eythian++ # new packages built |
| 16:36 | mtompset | evening, drojf. Greetings, nengard. |
| 16:37 | nengard | hiya |
| 16:44 | kf | bye all - cya later |
| 16:45 | druthb | Hi, nengard! :) |
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| 17:02 | mtompset | YAY! Self-rolled 3.12.4 works in my QA system. :) |
| 17:12 | or not... | |
| 17:12 | Hmmm... | |
| 17:13 | When you upgrade a packages system... how do you update the koha-conf.xml file? | |
| 17:15 | tcohen | you don't mtompset |
| 17:15 | mtompset | Okay, manual fix the file it is. :) |
| 17:15 | tcohen | on some ocassions I printed a message on the koha-upgrade-schema run |
| 17:17 | mtompset | Where is the default plugins directory supposed to be? |
| 17:18 | tcohen | packages install? |
| 17:19 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 17:19 | It seems related to bug 9890 in part. | |
| 17:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fix the new plugin system for package installs |
| 17:19 | tcohen | /var/lib/koha/$name/plugins |
| 17:20 | i know :-P | |
| 17:21 | did it work for you? | |
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| 17:33 | mtompset | still working on it... distracted. :) |
| 17:34 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:36 | mtompset | Oh right... the configuration of the plugin. |
| 17:36 | tcohen | <pluginsdir>/var/lib/koha/$name/plugins</pluginsdir> |
| 17:37 | <enable_plugins>1</enable_plugins> | |
| 17:38 | mtompset | Shoot... I must have forgotten to package upload.pl? |
| 17:39 | tcohen | why? |
| 17:39 | ssh-add | |
| 17:40 | eythian? | |
| 17:40 | wahanui | go back to bed, eythian |
| 17:41 | mtompset | The upload.pl plugin isn't listed in my drop down list... I'm attempted to backport 6874 |
| 17:41 | bug 6874 | |
| 17:41 | wahanui | it has been said that bug 6874 is epic |
| 17:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , File upload in MARC |
| 17:42 | tcohen | oh, you're talking about something completely different :-D |
| 17:44 | mtompset | tangentially related. :P |
| 17:48 | tcohen | to rebase or not to rebase (an old patch), that's the question |
| 17:50 | cait | :) |
| 17:53 | mtompset | I had it working... now its broken again. |
| 17:53 | Have to remember what I did to get it working. | |
| 18:01 | Running through the sysprefs first... | |
| 18:02 | What is CatalogModuleRelink? | |
| 18:03 | jcamins | mtompset: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]talogModuleRelink |
| 18:04 | None of the sysprefs have anything to do with the plugins that show up, though. | |
| 18:05 | mtompset | Only the koha-conf.xml? |
| 18:07 | jcamins | You're working with a cataloging plugin, so koha-conf.xml has nothing to do with it either. |
| 18:08 | mtompset | So, why isn't the plugin icon displaying? |
| 18:10 | jcamins | Possible options: you didn't enable it. |
| 18:10 | You need to restart memcached. | |
| 18:10 | You are using Plack and need to restart the Plack process. | |
| 18:10 | mtompset | I'm not using memcached. |
| 18:10 | A newer version is? | |
| 18:11 | Okay... I did enable it, but now it isn't there. | |
| 18:11 | I go to re-enable it, and the file I am expecting in the list, isn't listed. | |
| 18:12 | jcamins | No, memcached is not enabled by default, I was listing possibilities. |
| 18:13 | In that case, I'd guess that probably the file isn't there, isn't executable, or is otherwise unusable. | |
| 18:13 | mtompset | I think that is it... Going to recreate it. |
| 18:18 | found it... cataloguing/value_builder/upload.pl | |
| 18:18 | fixing... | |
| 18:18 | wahanui | well, fixing is better than wiping, but it's up to you. |
| 18:29 | mtompset | GAH! Shoot... just lost my patch. |
| 18:30 | drojf | iit's the internet. you are allowed to say shit |
| 18:31 | jcamins | But I reserve the right to be offended. |
| 18:31 | drojf | i can live with that. :D |
| 18:31 | mtompset | And I reserve the right to censor myself as a practice of self control. :P |
| 18:32 | drojf | if you insist ;) |
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| 18:54 | paul_p | hello #koha ! |
| 18:56 | cait | hi paul_p |
| 18:57 | paul_p: let's hope some more show up :) | |
| 18:58 | paul_p | cait Joubu said he will be here |
| 18:58 | cait | i got an auto-reply from bag, so I think he won't |
| 18:58 | haven't heard from marcelr | |
| 18:59 | i suggest we wait until 5 past or so | |
| 18:59 | bag | ok I am taking a lunch break from training so I can be here |
| 18:59 | cait | oh hi bag :) |
| 18:59 | paul_p | hi bag ! |
| 18:59 | cait | nice! |
| 19:00 | bag | bb in one sec |
| 19:01 | khall | hey all! |
| 19:01 | cait | hi khall :) |
| 19:01 | bag | back |
| 19:01 | cait | ok, i am a little less worried now :) but some more would be good |
| 19:02 | gmcharlt? mtj? Joubu? rangi? | |
| 19:02 | bag | I am training a library in San Francisco - it is such a beautiful library (old brick building - completely restored) /me feeling lucky being here |
| 19:02 | cait | :) |
| 19:02 | how is it going? :) | |
| 19:03 | bag | so far cait I think they understand OPAC and Patrons… onto Circ after lunch :) |
| 19:04 | cait | I am travelling to train a library tomorrow - training on thursday and friday :) |
| 19:04 | it's always exciting | |
| 19:05 | bag | I love it |
| 19:05 | cait | ok, people think we should start? |
| 19:06 | paul_p | cait = we can I think |
| 19:06 | cait | #startmeeting QA Team Meeting |
| 19:06 | huginn` | Meeting started Tue Sep 3 19:06:29 2013 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:06 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:06 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:06 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'qa_team_meeting' |
| 19:06 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 19:06 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:06 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:06 | cait | ok, quick poll - who is around? :) |
| 19:07 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ | |
| 19:07 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher |
| 19:07 | paul_p | #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre |
| 19:07 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:07 | cait | #topic Agenda |
| 19:07 | Topic for #koha is now Agenda (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:07 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 19:07 | cait | ah :) |
| 19:08 | ok, today's agenda is on the wiki | |
| 19:08 | Joubu | (sorry for being late) |
| 19:08 | cait | #info Agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rd_September_2013 |
| 19:08 | we are not as many as I had hoped for | |
| 19:08 | but maybe we can still discuss a few things and gather some ideas | |
| 19:09 | is there something missing on the agenda? or something we should leave out for today? Discuss first? | |
| 19:10 | paul_p | cait = joubu & I have discussed of what we putted on the agenda, you added a few things that I agree with, so the agenda is OK for me |
| 19:10 | cait | do i need to bribe you all with cookies? |
| 19:10 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 19:10 | khall | looks good to me! |
| 19:10 | druthb | #info Ruth Bavousett |
| 19:10 | I'm here, with cookies! | |
| 19:10 | cait | :) |
| 19:10 | ok, i think we got another agenda item | |
| 19:10 | ruth has offered to help out with QA | |
| 19:11 | khall | druthb++ |
| 19:11 | cait | #topic QA team |
| 19:11 | Topic for #koha is now QA team (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:11 | cait | khall: i think that was a yes? :) |
| 19:11 | khall | absolutely! |
| 19:11 | druthb | Not sure how much time I'll have, but I'll try to throw a few in, particularly on the UNIMARC patches that are needing signoff, and other things that Her Caitness needs me to do. |
| 19:11 | paul_p | druthb++ (yes for me as well |
| 19:11 | ) | |
| 19:11 | cait | any more opinions? |
| 19:11 | bag | I can test SIP - but all SIP2 patches in agenda are from khall so I can't… perhaps I can schedule sometime with cait to help QA those? |
| 19:12 | khall | bag: how about those ldap related patches? |
| 19:12 | cait | bag: that would be helpful - i have figured out how to set up the sip server by now :) |
| 19:12 | bag | I will do the LDAP one. I can test that :) |
| 19:12 | cait | great :) |
| 19:12 | let's move a bit slower so i can keep up | |
| 19:12 | bag | heh |
| 19:12 | cait | i will note that we have ruth on the qa team now |
| 19:13 | #info druthb will join the QA team to help out qa'ing | |
| 19:13 | paul_p | bag & cait & others = in the previous release, the rule for QA was "anyone from the QA team, even someone involved in the patch or signoff, can QA once the patch is more than 1 month old". afaik, this rule has not been cancelled |
| 19:13 | cait | no it has not, but the old ones are pretty complicated |
| 19:13 | so i think for those it's a bit difficult | |
| 19:14 | let me st a new topic | |
| 19:14 | #topic QA priorities | |
| 19:14 | Topic for #koha is now QA priorities (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:14 | cait | ok |
| 19:14 | we have bag for LDAP? | |
| 19:14 | bag | oh paul_p I did not know that |
| 19:14 | paul_p | bag meeting already useful then ;-) |
| 19:14 | cait | #action bag offered to QA LDAP patches - starting with bug 9299 |
| 19:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9299 major, P3, ---, nunyo, Signed Off , for loop in Auth_with_ldap.pm requires an extended patron attribute to be set or LDAP logins fail |
| 19:15 | cait | #action bag also offered to help cait test SIP2 patches |
| 19:15 | ;) | |
| 19:15 | khall | nor did I. I assume QA'ing my own original patch would be a bad idea still? But QAing something where I only wrote a followup would be ok, assuming it's older than a month. |
| 19:15 | cait | ok, and druthb would offer to look at UNIMARC? |
| 19:15 | khall: definitely | |
| 19:15 | druthb | yis. |
| 19:15 | cait | and it's an emergency rule |
| 19:15 | and not for huge patches | |
| 19:16 | #action druthb will try to take a look at UNIMARC patches | |
| 19:16 | i am going to add you as a QA contact to those later? | |
| 19:16 | bag | what equals a HUGE patch? |
| 19:16 | bigger font? :P | |
| 19:16 | cait | bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there |
| 19:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8015 new feature, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add MARC Modifications Templates |
| 19:16 | cait | i think big new features count as huge |
| 19:17 | * druthb | hands cait the wiffle bat, to use as needed on rowdy Californians. |
| 19:17 | cait | i think it would be better if you get worried about a bug to contact other qa team members who can take a look first |
| 19:17 | bag | sounds like a good idea |
| 19:17 | mtj | hi all |
| 19:18 | cait | hi mtj |
| 19:18 | I know currently a lot of things are stuck in the queue | |
| 19:18 | * mtj | reads the scrollback... |
| 19:18 | cait | that's part of the reason for the meeting... I think we need to try and lower the numbers |
| 19:18 | because the deadlines are getting really close | |
| 19:19 | Joubu | I started to qa 8015 and submitted a lot of followups, so I would prefer others pair of eyes look at it. But it looks very good to me! |
| 19:19 | cait | bug 8015 |
| 19:19 | wahanui | bug 8015 is quite huge if you look at the list of patches there |
| 19:19 | cait | Joubu: I am going to try - but i don't have a lot of spare time right now - september is busy month here, which is a problem |
| 19:19 | paul_p | cait OTOH, without galen pushing, reducing QA queue won't be successfull (too bad gmcharlt is not around...) |
| 19:20 | cait | paul_p: gmcharlt wanted to be here, but i think he has been travelling the last few days and only comes back today |
| 19:20 | I think even RM deserves some days off? :) | |
| 19:22 | druthb | no days off for the RM! |
| 19:22 | cait | i know that developers are frustrated about their things not going in |
| 19:22 | it's understandable | |
| 19:22 | but we only can change that by working together - i can't do a lot more than i have been doing the last few months - so I really need some help here to get things moving | |
| 19:22 | bag | how many passed QA are still waiting to be pushed? |
| 19:22 | khall | we currently have 63 bugs set to Passed QA |
| 19:22 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, lurking |
| 19:23 | cait | hi drojf |
| 19:23 | dashboard? | |
| 19:23 | wahanui | dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 19:23 | * bag | sends caffeine to gmcharlt |
| 19:23 | cait | bag: the numbers are there, in color :) |
| 19:23 | drojf | or is it over already? :) |
| 19:23 | bag | cait I am THE dense sometimes :P |
| 19:23 | cait | i think the one waiting to be pushed are not the problem, those numbers tend to get lower pretty fast when the RM is in action |
| 19:24 | and we can help out with giving things a second sign off there too | |
| 19:24 | i think the queues we need to discuss are waiting for qa and needs sign-off | |
| 19:25 | mtj | agreed |
| 19:26 | cait | I would reall ylike to try and get the number of bugs down in that queue first - because those get transported down into the maintained versions |
| 19:26 | paul_p | cait = I agree we have to speak of the to-qa queue, but the pile of passed QA patches contains 10 patches that are pending since june. So I don't share your optimism about the QA queue being lowered when the RM pushes. But let's speak of the to-qa queue |
| 19:26 | cait | and we should have them as stable as possible |
| 19:27 | paul_p: I know some of those are quite big | |
| 19:27 | khall | that's a sensible proposition. Is there anyway to filter bugzilla for just signed-off bugs? I haven't found one. |
| 19:28 | bag | hmm do some of the to-qa patches depend on "passed QA" to be pushed? |
| 19:28 | cait | khall: not sure i understand you right : ) but thequeues on he dashboard are linked :) |
| 19:28 | paul_p | cait I already have said that many times, but my conviction is that "push asap enhancement, and take time to test/check them before release" is the most efficent way to go |
| 19:28 | cait | yeah, but noone is going to test |
| 19:28 | paul_p | cait (an off topic question once again...) |
| 19:29 | cait | noone is going to take that time |
| 19:29 | in my experience :) and i have said that before | |
| 19:29 | khall | I'm afraid I agree with both cait and paul_p ; ) |
| 19:29 | cait | if noone takes the time before they go oin - it's unlikely someone will once they do |
| 19:30 | pulling things out that have proven problamtic after being pushed has proved quite hard | |
| 19:30 | and getting bugs fixed often as well | |
| 19:30 | but we will always disagree on that I think :) | |
| 19:30 | khall | cait: I can search for all signed-off patches easily, but I'm not aware of any way to filter by "Importance" |
| 19:30 | bag | doesn't signoff and QA help eliminate some of that problem though? isn't that the point? |
| 19:30 | paul_p | cait = i'd like to leave this question for later, and go back to agenda. But that's a topic for hackfest, probably... |
| 19:31 | cait | khall: you can add severity and priority to the list as columns, the option is at the bottom of the bugzilla search result list |
| 19:31 | khall | agreed, we could discuss this for hours |
| 19:31 | cait | khall: andsort by those |
| 19:31 | khall | thanks cait! |
| 19:31 | cait | bag: yep i think that is the point :) |
| 19:31 | ok, i think we are not ´moving here... so moving on seems like a good idea | |
| 19:32 | #topic passing QA | |
| 19:32 | Topic for #koha is now passing QA (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:33 | cait | we have seen a lot of work on unit tests lately :) that's great |
| 19:33 | kenza++ again | |
| 19:33 | i also find them really helpful when doing QA | |
| 19:33 | and I think we should encourage them the best we can | |
| 19:34 | I think currently we have been asking for tests for new subs and changes to existing ones | |
| 19:34 | that seems to work quite well | |
| 19:35 | paul_p | agreed. |
| 19:35 | khall | agreed |
| 19:35 | druthb | +1 |
| 19:35 | cait | cool :) so we can agree! :) |
| 19:35 | bag | +1 |
| 19:36 | cait | @agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed |
| 19:36 | huginn` | cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 19:36 | paul_p | side question = do we have a "qa rule" page on the wiki. I think we should |
| 19:36 | cait | #agreed agreed ask for unit tests when new routines get added to the API and existing ones are being changed |
| 19:36 | no, we haven't one yet - but i think it's a good idea | |
| 19:36 | bag | yes that would be nice |
| 19:37 | cait | #action add a page with information about QA to the wiki |
| 19:37 | Joubu | I agree too, even if a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file for this module |
| 19:37 | paul_p | QA manager, you take care of creating it ? |
| 19:37 | cait | i thik the unit test one could maybe go on the coding guidelines as well - if the RM agrees |
| 19:37 | i can | |
| 19:38 | paul_p | Joubu can you give more details about " a lot of modules/routines are not easy at all to test without having a global unit tests file" ? Could we quickly add an "empty" unit test file for all modules ? |
| 19:38 | mtj | looks like we all agree about the unit tests :) |
| 19:38 | paul_p | something like a framework |
| 19:39 | cait | Joubu: is the problem creating the data? |
| 19:39 | khall | cait: I'd say that's usually the most difficult part for me. |
| 19:39 | cait | i think it got easier using transactions now |
| 19:40 | i have tried my hands on some and it's seems a lot easier than mocking | |
| 19:40 | but i am still stuck on a patch where i need to mock a cgi object | |
| 19:40 | ... | |
| 19:40 | khall | the biggest problem I see with requiring unit tests for exisiting subroutines are some are quite large and do far too much |
| 19:40 | Joubu | C4::Circ, C4::Auth, C4::Acq don't have unit tests for all routines. It will be though to modify some routines in these modules. |
| 19:40 | tough | |
| 19:40 | cait | i thik we can still make exceptions in some cases, but without trying we won't get good examples to copy from |
| 19:41 | i am iwlling to make exceptions for bugs for example | |
| 19:41 | if the solution can be tested well using a test plan | |
| 19:41 | khall | agreed. I think new subs need a strict requiremtn for unit tests, existing code a yes with case by case exemptions |
| 19:42 | cait | i think maybe differentiate between adding new features and fixing bad behaviour there too |
| 19:43 | I'd like to postpone the discussion about the new module | |
| 19:43 | khall | yes. We don't want to hold up bugfixes any more than we have too |
| 19:43 | cait | I'd like to get an opinion of gmcharlt on the possiblity of dbix for 3.14 |
| 19:44 | bag | that would be great |
| 19:45 | cait | it would be |
| 19:45 | Joubu: i am sorry, i know that#s your topic, i will try to follow up on that | |
| 19:46 | ok to move on to the next topic? should I add something more to the minutes? | |
| 19:47 | Joubu | I asked Galen to give his opinion on bug 10363, but I didn't have any feedback |
| 19:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. |
| 19:47 | cait | Joubu: i will try to look after that one |
| 19:48 | which brings me to the next topic :) | |
| 19:48 | #topic Ideas to improve throughput | |
| 19:48 | Topic for #koha is now Ideas to improve throughput (Meeting topic: QA Team Meeting) | |
| 19:49 | bag | cloning Joubu and the rest of the team |
| 19:50 | cait | bag: not sure i can let that count :) but .... oh well |
| 19:50 | #idea clone the QA team :) | |
| 19:50 | something else? :) | |
| 19:50 | mtj | falling back on the 1 month rule would indeed improve throughput |
| 19:51 | cait | but in the wrong way. |
| 19:51 | Joubu | I think QAers should not failed QA a patch for minor things (some tabs, etc.) but rather submit a followup themselves |
| 19:51 | cait | Joubu: I agree |
| 19:51 | also capitalization maybe | |
| 19:51 | small things, not changing logic | |
| 19:51 | Joubu | no, of course |
| 19:52 | cait | #idea QA team can provide follow ups for small problems (tabs, typos, capitalization...) |
| 19:52 | mtj | joubu, agreed, thats what i usually do |
| 19:52 | cait | i have found it's easier to qa big patches when the developer is around to ask questions |
| 19:53 | i have done that a few times and it was quite productive | |
| 19:53 | Joubu | mtj: yes, me too |
| 19:53 | paul_p | cait & joubu = that's what I made when I was RM and QAed patches. small things like capitalization or things like that are easy to fix & should be by the QAer |
| 19:53 | cait | i think we see a similar effect during the hackfests too |
| 19:53 | jcamins | Joubu: in cases where it would take longer to do the follow-up, I suggest just failing it. That was my rule during 3.12. If it's faster to fix than ask for a fix, fix it. Otherwise, kick it back and ask for a fix. |
| 19:54 | cait | #idea set up a time with the developer to work on their patches - so you can ask questions |
| 19:54 | bag | maybe have a QA day or sprint? like we scheduled this meeting - or something similar to Global bug squashing day |
| 19:55 | cait | GBSD might help with that - we could be around looking at patches of developers that are on IRC that time, give feedback more directly |
| 19:55 | ah, bag is typing faster :) | |
| 19:55 | bag | it's the coffee - not me |
| 19:56 | cait | i was thinking maybe fold it into gbsd - but we could also do a special one |
| 19:56 | paul_p | I really love the idea of setting up a time to discuss of a given bug. Something regular, like "every friday, at 6AM GMT" |
| 19:56 | druthb | special_qa_sprint_day++ |
| 19:56 | cait | would it be possible that people dedicate some time to that idea? |
| 19:56 | if we set up a date? | |
| 19:56 | bag | if the date is set - I can clear my schedule with enough notice |
| 19:56 | druthb | 6 AM GMT? And here I thought that the French had given up on torture. |
| 19:56 | cait | #idea have a QA sprint day |
| 19:57 | i guess it would have to be a global friday - we are really far spread around the globe | |
| 19:58 | this time is late for europe, but actually the best option we have with the qa team widely spread | |
| 19:58 | should we try and set a date for a qa sprint? | |
| 19:58 | bag | would be best to have RM present - maybe fridays aren't the best for him? let's pole the RM |
| 19:58 | cait | pole? |
| 19:59 | bag | poll |
| 19:59 | paul_p | druthb it was just an example. and we could have various options. |
| 19:59 | cait | ah |
| 19:59 | maybe we could suggest a date | |
| 19:59 | druthb | paul_p: :P |
| 19:59 | cait | and see if that works |
| 19:59 | bag | cait: let's do it and see what happens |
| 19:59 | cait | what about.... |
| 20:00 | * cait | searches for her calendar |
| 20:00 | mtj | how about a wednesday? |
| 20:00 | wahanui | a wednesday is fine for me |
| 20:01 | cait | wednesdy woudl work for me |
| 20:01 | Joubu | It would be really great if wahanui could qa patches... |
| 20:01 | cait | what about 11th? |
| 20:01 | mtj | +1 |
| 20:02 | bag | +1 |
| 20:02 | Joubu | +1 |
| 20:02 | bag | alright back to training for me - cya later |
| 20:02 | drojf | you know that there is the regular meeting too? |
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| 20:05 | cait | no, but might not be a bad thing |
| 20:05 | i mean it doesn't necessarily interfere | |
| 20:05 | hm depends if we want to set a time too or make it a global one | |
| 20:05 | we could also make it thursday | |
| 20:05 | or friday | |
| 20:05 | 12th or 13th | |
| 20:05 | any preferences? | |
| 20:05 | paul_p | 12th could be possible for me. 13th (my) morning won't be possible |
| 20:06 | cait | that's for 12th? |
| 20:06 | #agreed 12th September suggested date for QA sprint | |
| 20:07 | mtj: ok for you too? sorry i might have been too fast | |
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| 20:07 | cait | ok, any more ideas? |
| 20:07 | mtj | ok for me too :) |
| 20:08 | cait | would someone be willing ot set up a wiki page for it? |
| 20:08 | i am travelling all day tomorrow and it would be nice to get that out and announced | |
| 20:08 | mtj | i can do the wiki page today |
| 20:09 | druthb | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | cait | mtj: awesome! |
| 20:09 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cait |
| 20:09 | cait | mtj++ |
| 20:09 | paul_p | mtj++ ! |
| 20:09 | cait | #action mtj to create a wiki page for the first QA sprint |
| 20:09 | * druthb | puts .76 Euro in the jar for cait. |
| 20:10 | cait | thx druthb |
| 20:10 | do we want to set up another meeting? | |
| 20:10 | or see how the qa sprint works out first? | |
| 20:11 | paul_p | cait I don't have a preference |
| 20:11 | cait both are possible | |
| 20:12 | cait | so let's see how the qa sprint goes |
| 20:12 | i#d love if as many qa people as possible coudl dedicate sometime | |
| 20:12 | maybe send a note to the list or put on the wiki page when you can be around | |
| 20:13 | working on qA | |
| 20:14 | mtj | cait, ill ping you when the wiki is done |
| 20:14 | cait | thank you mtj |
| 20:14 | and thx for volunteering | |
| 20:15 | maybe you could add a section for a little schedule? let's see if we can make use of being globally spread? | |
| 20:15 | ok, i am going to close the meeting now | |
| 20:15 | #agreed new meeting to be determined after QA sprint day | |
| 20:15 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 11 September 2013 at 18:00 UTC. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
| 20:15 | huginn` | Meeting ended Tue Sep 3 20:15:48 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:15 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-03-19.06.html | |
| 20:15 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-09-03-19.06.txt | |
| 20:15 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-19.06.log.html | |
| 20:15 | cait | thx for coming everyone |
| 20:15 | mtj | so, any idea for the frequency of the sprints… ? say every 2 or 4 weeks? |
| 20:15 | druthb | cait++ |
| 20:16 | drojf | cait++ |
| 20:16 | cait | every 2 would be good ad we are getting so close to the deadlines, but not sure we can make it happen |
| 20:16 | mtj | thanx cait++ |
| 20:16 | cait | let's work together on making this first a good start |
| 20:16 | Joubu | cait++ thanks ! |
| 20:16 | mtj | yeah, 2 weeks is good, i think |
| 20:16 | cait | Joubu++ thx for adding to the agenda |
| 20:17 | rangi | cait++ #for caling the meeting and for valuing stability over speed |
| 20:17 | mtj | i really like this qa-sprint idea :) |
| 20:18 | cait | i really hope it works :) |
| 20:18 | i think we can set a good example, maybe get some people testing etc. | |
| 20:18 | Joubu | cait: you are welcome, but I hope my "important" point could be discussed later :) |
| 20:18 | cait | we can only do something together - blaming each other won't work :) |
| 20:18 | Joubu: it's not forgotten | |
| 20:20 | rangi | what was your important point? |
| 20:20 | * rangi | will read back after he has dropped the kids at school |
| 20:22 | Joubu | rangi: it is about bug 10363: should we wait the integration of DBIx into Koha before adding new modules? |
| 20:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10363 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , There is no package for authorised values. |
| 20:23 | rangi | ah yeah, i have some work that is waiting too |
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| 20:23 | rangi | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ffa46052ee38063ce |
| 20:24 | and | |
| 20:24 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]b8d2723ea86a8ccd4 | |
| 20:24 | + my $borrowers = Koha::Borrower->new(); | |
| 20:24 | + my $borrower = $borrowers->get_borrower( { 'cardnumber' => $userid } ); | |
| 20:24 | + my %row = $borrower->get_columns; | |
| 20:24 | ^^ so much nicer :) | |
| 20:25 | cait | maybe we could get together about dbix class sometimes? i would like to elarn more |
| 20:25 | rangi | basically we need to fix the foreign key problems in the db |
| 20:25 | then the dbix::class work can get pushed | |
| 20:25 | then all the stuff depending on it can | |
| 20:26 | i just need to check with gmcharlt that he is ok with me working to try to fix the db | |
| 20:26 | cos if we can do that | |
| 20:26 | we can remove that one problematic line | |
| 20:26 | cait | i am interested in helping |
| 20:26 | it would help my work on our deletion concept | |
| 20:26 | rangi | (byproduct is we would get better db out of it too) |
| 20:29 | Joubu | rangi: yes but the patch refactors the AV code into a new module (without using DBIx), adding unit tests. The discussion is : should we rewrite the patch or include it as it is (since it improves the code)? |
| 20:29 | anyway, go to bed. bye #koha | |
| 20:29 | cait | bye Joubu |
| 20:30 | added minutes - now goin gto pack | |
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| 21:13 | rangi | Joubu: ah that would totally be the RM call in that case |
| 21:14 | id probably lean towards including, but with a big #REWRITE ME all over it | |
| 21:42 | eythian | hi |
| 21:44 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 21:44 | rangi | http://cspf.co.uk/tracking <-- if you look here from 0600 UTC and choose sea farer II |
| 21:44 | yuo can watch the swimmer catalyst is sponsoring swimming the channel | |
| 21:47 | drojf | i hope it is at least FOSS swimming. :P |
| 21:49 | mtompset | drojf: You mean you FOSS-t, right? ;) |
| 21:49 | DOH! I better grab some caffeine, that parsed badly. | |
| 21:50 | drojf | i have no idea what that meant. but i was blaming it on being awake too long :) |
| 21:50 | mtompset | You were trying to make a pun on fast, right? |
| 21:52 | Almost recovered the patch now... but the silly window isn't popping up right. | |
| 22:34 | YAY! Patch fixed again. | |
| 22:35 | Well, I'll try placing it later tonight. | |
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| 23:02 | eythian | http://osdc.org.nz/2013/09/03/[…]-francois-marier/ <-- rangi |
| 23:02 | http://www.yubico.com/2013/05/browserid-yubikey/ <-- also rangi | |
| 23:02 | rangi | sweet |
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| 23:18 | Brooke | yo! |
| 23:18 | rangi | hi Brooke |
| 23:18 | Brooke | :) how's it? |
| 23:19 | rangi | not too bad |
| 23:19 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 23:20 | Brooke | good to hear |
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