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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | dcook | Hmm, thoughts on tests... |
| 00:03 | For a new feature, I assume that you run the test after running updatedatabase.pl? | |
| 00:04 | So you should already have your database structure...it'll just be empty | |
| 00:04 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 00:04 | dcook | For some reason, this obvious thought escaped me on Friday. That should make this test a bit easier. |
| 00:04 | Thanks, jcamins :) | |
| 00:23 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 00:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 00:24 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 00:24 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 00:26 | dcook | rangi: Looks like there's an issue with with the Koha Dashboard |
| 00:27 | The "Last 5 Signoff" links aren't working | |
| 00:27 | They all show this: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]/show_bug.cgi?id=<% entry.1 %> | |
| 00:33 | wizzyrea | the code for that is in a git somewhere |
| 00:33 | ...I thought | |
| 00:34 | I am pretty sure that's a new thing that just showed up this weekend anyway | |
| 00:34 | at least it seems new to me | |
| 00:34 | dcook | The bug? |
| 00:34 | wahanui | rumour has it The bug is that if you scan the barcode on the circ page you aren't allowed to renew it that way |
| 00:35 | wizzyrea | the dashboard bug yea |
| 00:35 | https://github.com/Koha-Community/koha-dashboard | |
| 00:36 | definitely work there from this weekend | |
| 00:36 | mtompset | Hmm... question... what is the proper way to upgrade a git installation? |
| 00:36 | I think I've been short cutting all along, and I want to make sure I document it correctly. | |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | git checkout master && git fetch && git rebase origin/master && make upgrade |
| 00:37 | dcook | Although I think make upgrade might erase your db? |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | shouldn't |
| 00:37 | that would be a terrible bug | |
| 00:37 | * dcook | tries to recall |
| 00:37 | jcamins | No, it won't. |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | as in no one would ever use koha if it did that. |
| 00:38 | because that would be mad. | |
| 00:38 | dcook | I had something happen last time I upgraded my git install |
| 00:38 | Ah | |
| 00:38 | I remember | |
| 00:38 | mtompset | no need to point to the previous install log? |
| 00:38 | * dcook | intentionally dumped his DB and had to rebuild it |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | do whatever the current instructions say to do re: upgrade |
| 00:38 | jcamins | mtompset: you need to point it at the previous install log, yes. |
| 00:39 | mtompset | so the checkout, fetch and rebase make sense... |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | make upgrade is also required |
| 00:39 | mtompset | the perl Makefile.pl is needed? |
| 00:39 | wizzyrea | otherwise your zebra files will be out of date. |
| 00:40 | mtompset | good point. |
| 00:40 | I have been short cutting. | |
| 00:40 | And even a full reindex wouldn't solve that. | |
| 00:41 | But are the perl Makefile.PL, make, and make steps needed to be properly thorough? | |
| 00:42 | make and make test... | |
| 01:28 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 02:09 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 02:10 | wizzy-test joined #koha | |
| 02:10 | wizzy-test left #koha | |
| 02:11 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 02:14 | trendynick joined #koha | |
| 02:20 | mtompset | tcohen: Are you going to be concious for a little while? |
| 02:20 | Greetings, wizzyrea and tcohen. :) | |
| 02:20 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 02:20 | i'm going to bed, whats up? | |
| 02:20 | mtompset | I was going to send you my 31K nightmare. ;) |
| 02:21 | tcohen | :-D |
| 02:23 | mtompset | emailed. |
| 02:23 | not a patch. | |
| 02:24 | tcohen | :-D |
| 02:24 | mtompset | I've asked my slightly technically minded librarian colleague to attempt to follow them. |
| 02:25 | If he succeeds after following it, I'll call it a success. | |
| 02:25 | tcohen | heh |
| 02:25 | i'll check it tomorrow | |
| 02:26 | good job mtompset | |
| 02:36 | mtompset | I was talking with my Filipino colleague. He was dreaming of a hosted Koha system with an RDA framework, and having a training session to introduce people to RDA using Koha. It would be a big boost for Koha in the Philippines, given that a common complaint is that their current library software doesn't do RDA. |
| 02:37 | * dcook | suggests downloading the latest RDA framework he's posted, making sure that your XSLTs show the RDA fields you want to show, and then organize the workshop. |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 02:38 | mtj | mtompset, you can always push your too-big patch to your github/gitorious repo, for pulling |
| 02:39 | * mtompset | laughs, "I don't have such a beast." |
| 02:39 | eythian | gitorious is free. |
| 02:40 | mtompset | Sure, but I still don't have a beast. :P |
| 02:40 | eythian | you could make one. |
| 02:40 | mtompset | Goodnesss... not another thing to maintain. |
| 02:41 | eythian | it takes about 2 minutes to make an account. |
| 02:41 | mtj | i personally found the registration process really easy |
| 02:41 | mtompset | It will gather dust horribly. |
| 02:41 | eythian | that doesn't really matter much. |
| 02:42 | mtompset | I like to contain my messes... not create dust piles all over the internet. |
| 02:42 | eythian | then you can't submit large patches. |
| 02:43 | mtj | yeah, what he said ^^ |
| 02:44 | mtompset | it submitted to a bug report just fine. |
| 02:44 | 7764 | |
| 02:45 | eythian | then it's not really a large patch. |
| 02:45 | mtompset | 31K nightmare. |
| 02:45 | That's large for install docs. | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | eythian: it's the document that's too large, not the patch. |
| 02:45 | eythian | oh ah |
| 02:46 | jcamins | 31k is pretty small. |
| 02:46 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:46 | mtompset | No, it is too large. |
| 02:46 | jcamins | mtompset: for a patch, it's small. For a document, yes, it is much too large. |
| 02:46 | mtompset | I was able to trim the git install instructions for ubuntu to about 17-20K. |
| 02:49 | or was that packages... anyways... I was able to shrink one of them to something a little more reasonable. | |
| 02:49 | but that was on the wiki. | |
| 02:49 | manny joined #koha | |
| 02:49 | mtompset | dcook: You still around? |
| 02:49 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 02:50 | mtompset | Good night, tcohen. |
| 02:50 | eythian | later tcohen |
| 02:50 | dcook | mtompset: Always |
| 02:50 | manny | good morning mtompset |
| 02:50 | dcook | What's up? |
| 02:50 | mtompset | manny, this is dcook. dcook this manny. dcook put out a new RDA framework. manny is my librarian colleague friend from the Philippines. :) |
| 02:51 | dcook | hey ya manny |
| 02:51 | manny | hi dcook |
| 02:51 | good morning | |
| 02:51 | mtompset | I figured you two should talk. ;) |
| 02:51 | dcook | Not really much to talk about |
| 02:51 | manny | thanks mark |
| 02:51 | mtompset | where is the framework? |
| 02:51 | wahanui | the framework is probably gone. |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | on the wiki |
| 02:51 | wahanui | somebody said on the wiki was more information about the packages |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | shush wahanui |
| 02:51 | RDA framework? | |
| 02:52 | jcamins | framework download? |
| 02:52 | manny | i am discussing to mark on how we can promote more koha using rda |
| 02:52 | jcamins | framework library? |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | RDA framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]le:Export_RDA.sql |
| 02:52 | dcook | That be the framework |
| 02:53 | manny | here in the philippines, librarians are training/ orienting about rda |
| 02:53 | mtompset | so, I just source it? |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | you import it into Koha |
| 02:53 | Create a new empty framework, and import that onto it | |
| 02:53 | through the interface | |
| 02:53 | manny | but the biggest hindrance is a ILS that can cater rda |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | Koha can deal with RDA. |
| 02:55 | manny | yes, but discussing rda without a visual practice on the changes or upgrades is hard |
| 02:55 | mtompset | manny, you putting it up in QA? |
| 02:55 | We already have an RDA framework. | |
| 02:55 | manny | so if possible to create a training site that will let them see and feel the changes in rda using koha |
| 02:56 | it will be a promotional thing for Koha | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | ...so which part are you stuck on |
| 02:56 | 1. Install Koha | |
| 02:56 | 2. Create a new framework | |
| 02:56 | manny | wizzyrea rda? |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | 3. install the linked framework into that |
| 02:56 | jcamins | manny: there is nothing to prevent that. Import the framework. You're done. |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | 4. profit. |
| 02:56 | manny | nope, i'm not into the import of rda framework |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | oh sorry. Don't profit. |
| 02:57 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | well then Koha doesn't support RDA. |
| 02:57 | jcamins | Yeah, you can't not import the framework and expect Koha to magicallyuse it. |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | you have to have the framework for Koha to support RDA. |
| 02:57 | RDA Framework? | |
| 02:57 | wahanui | it has been said that RDA Framework is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]le:Export_RDA.sql |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 02:59 | manny | jcamins, yes we will use the framework |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Okay, good. No problem. |
| 02:59 | manny | but what i'm saying is that Koha is a free ILS software that can be used in training/ orienting librarians regarding rda |
| 02:59 | mtompset | I think the problem is: hosting a site for training purposes, and two actually having the training materials written. ;) |
| 03:00 | jcamins | manny: sure. I see nothing to prevent that. |
| 03:00 | manny | yes, you can read a lot regarding rda, but having a visual practice site will be very helpful |
| 03:00 | i'm thingking bywater demo site | |
| 03:01 | dcook | Yeah, mtompset, I think that's the thing |
| 03:01 | mtompset | (we can't afford to host such a thing) |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | you have no computers on which to install koha? |
| 03:02 | manny | bywater demo site will be a good practice page |
| 03:02 | a seperated site that will host the training practice instruction linking to bywater demo page for the actual visual training | |
| 03:03 | dcook | Where are you planning to do this training? |
| 03:03 | Or are you planning an online training type thing? | |
| 03:03 | manny | online training type |
| 03:04 | mtompset | and currently there is no such site. |
| 03:04 | manny | my goal is for them to learn rda using Koha |
| 03:04 | mtompset | is there a command-line tool? |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | soooo what are you wanting? |
| 03:04 | manny | sharing my idea |
| 03:04 | mtompset | a demo site that has RDA framework available. |
| 03:05 | jcamins | I don't think the ByWater demo will support an entire class. |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | nah |
| 03:05 | dcook | Nor would a "koha-community" demo |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | and they're not really meant for that purpose anyway |
| 03:05 | manny | i agree, but it will be an orientation for them to Koha |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | it's a fine idea |
| 03:06 | manny | since proprietary softwares like follet is using rda to promote their software |
| 03:06 | eythian | we discovered someone was using our demo for a class |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | and Koha can definitely let you have practice with RDA |
| 03:06 | eythian | they liked that it reset every day |
| 03:06 | mtompset | Yes, that is a bonus. :) |
| 03:06 | jcamins | eythian: small class, I guess. |
| 03:06 | manny | that's a good thing since they can do the practice all over again |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | we have a package that can be installed to do that behaviour |
| 03:07 | mtompset | -- so back to my framework import problem... ;) -- is there a command-line tool for this? |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | but that's kind of beside the point |
| 03:07 | no, you just do it through the interface | |
| 03:07 | mtompset | can't do it, if you get a timeout error. |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | why would you get a timeout error? |
| 03:08 | mtompset | probably because of the way our systems go through a proxy? |
| 03:08 | and the QA system has pathetic memory. | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | no, there is no tool for that. |
| 03:09 | dcook | On an unrelated note, what are people's thoughts on record matching rules? |
| 03:09 | jcamins | What about 'em? |
| 03:09 | dcook | Well, I have a record matching rule that uses the 999$c |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | LOL that's exactly my question too ^.^ |
| 03:09 | jcamins | I wish it were more clear what one should enter, but they work well. |
| 03:09 | dcook | My OAI harvester needs the 999$c for fully functionality... |
| 03:09 | jcamins | I wonder if I can run apt-cache on a Mac. |
| 03:10 | dcook: that sounds fine. | |
| 03:10 | dcook | Do I include it in the updatedatabase.pl, do I just include it in the test, do I do a separate bug to add it to the defaults? |
| 03:10 | jcamins | The second and third. |
| 03:10 | dcook | Cool. That's what I was thinking as well. |
| 03:11 | jcamins | You know, Vagrant is really cool. |
| 03:12 | dcook | http://www.vagrantup.com/ ? |
| 03:12 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 03:13 | dcook | I really do need to figure out the Virtualbox networking... |
| 03:13 | Another day.. | |
| 03:17 | mtompset | I can help with that. |
| 03:17 | at least with Ubuntu. :) | |
| 03:18 | windows host - ubuntu guest. :) | |
| 03:21 | waylonR joined #koha | |
| 03:21 | dcook | I'll keep that in mind for the future. Back to the unit tests for now :) |
| 03:21 | Well, a patch, then the unit tests | |
| 03:22 | mtompset | I use VirtualBox for my daily work. |
| 03:22 | manny | thanks guys |
| 03:22 | waylonR | hiya all! okay, i am back on the ball. unfortunately, my last pull seems to be dec 2012... okay.... so, whats your advice for a dev returning to his work after a long absense? |
| 03:23 | mtompset | git rebase? ;) |
| 03:23 | And welcome back, waylonR. | |
| 03:24 | waylonR | does that also rebase the etc files, or do i need to do something to rebase them? And how do i get all the commits ive done? |
| 03:25 | jcamins | waylonR: http://git-scm.com/documentation |
| 03:25 | And you will need to follow the instructions for upgrading that are in INSTALL.* | |
| 03:30 | waylonR | items no longer stored in biblioitems.. does that make zebra searches for item information, impossibe? or does koha export item info to zebra still? |
| 03:31 | mtompset | are you using a version prior to 3.4.x? |
| 03:31 | waylonR | currently, yes. im porting our mods to current. |
| 03:31 | from koha 3.0.0pre2 | |
| 03:31 | ... I know, it sucks.. | |
| 03:32 | eythian | waylonR: the 952 is generated when sending to zebra |
| 03:32 | or, exporting, really | |
| 03:32 | so it's just an internal thing for the most part. | |
| 03:32 | dcook | waylonR: You have my sympathy |
| 03:33 | waylonR | generated? so, one can't store information in 952 manually? |
| 03:33 | oh wait.. | |
| 03:33 | eythian | I don't know what that would mean |
| 03:33 | there is no 952 internally now | |
| 03:33 | mtompset | dcook: Is there supposed to be 339 fields in the rda framework? |
| 03:34 | eythian | but it's created from the items table when needed. |
| 03:34 | waylonR | ..... Okay, so item branch info etc gets exported to 952 and then to zebra? |
| 03:34 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:34 | it just takes the row in items and spits out a 952 from it | |
| 03:34 | waylonR | that might be okay.. |
| 03:35 | mtompset | turns out the import export script kept running in the background, and it just finished. |
| 03:35 | dcook | mtompset: Not that I can think of. |
| 03:35 | waylonR | we abuse koha here.. branches = libraries. item in a branch = item appears in that libraries catalogue/search |
| 03:35 | mtompset | my mistake... 339 tags. |
| 03:35 | eythian | it's a lot faster, and avoids some other MARC related issues |
| 03:36 | dcook | mtompset: That's the same thing :p |
| 03:36 | mtompset | just making sure I didn't have a terminology problem. :P |
| 03:36 | dcook | Generally speaking they're either tags or fields, although subfields are always subfields (never subtags) |
| 03:36 | (afaik) | |
| 03:37 | waylonR: There's an internal script that embeds the item-level data as a 952. I've had to use that for some of our local mods. You might find it useful as well. | |
| 03:37 | Of course, re-writing the mod is probably a better way of going, but... | |
| 03:40 | waylonR | okay, can zebra hold indexes for more than just biblios and authorities for one server? the dev enviroment needs its own biblios database, i can just copy and paste the biblio server in the config, make biblios into bibliosdev, and copy every biblios config file? |
| 03:41 | or would i use a totally seperate zebra on a different port/instance? | |
| 03:41 | eythian | You could probably do it the way you suggest, but I've never tried it. |
| 03:43 | waylonR | though, hows the solr progress going? |
| 03:43 | jcamins | It is not. |
| 03:43 | waylonR | ? |
| 03:43 | solr? | |
| 03:43 | wahanui | solr is, like, tied into the search rewrite |
| 03:43 | jcamins | Progressing. |
| 03:43 | waylonR | come to a halt? |
| 03:44 | jcamins | Not so much come to a halt as never moved forward. |
| 03:44 | waylonR | ah |
| 03:44 | eep... my boss is considering moving away from koha, to something php based.... could be out of a job sometime. | |
| 03:45 | eythian | something specific in PHP, or he just wants more PHP for some oddball reason? |
| 03:49 | waylonR | [off[ "whole new platform, based on open source system parallel with Koha. we would like to explore all the available options and decide which fits our need best. we have a friend who own a software company which has done several projects for different libraries. they are working now on several open source systems which will be integrated to form one platform. they have tried different repository systems and decide to go with Islandora, and Vufind search in |
| 03:49 | terface with Solr engine plus some other systems for authentication, statistics, customer tracking, journal tracking etc. which will be add later. Those systems in general are in php ( easier when trying to find a programmers). we will explore this direction and see if it better than koha, otherwise we will stick with koha." | |
| 03:49 | ah crap, that all went onto the log.. oh well. | |
| 03:51 | email from boss. basically, they'll custom build from almost scratch.. with Solr behind it... so... search speed wise, its possibly going to be better than koha. | |
| 03:53 | manny joined #koha | |
| 03:53 | eythian | zebra is not a slow point in koha |
| 03:53 | there are a number of things that are, but it generally isn't zebra | |
| 03:57 | jcamins | In fact, it *specifically* isn't Zebra. |
| 04:03 | * wizzyrea | just helped a peruvian student install Koha |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea | that's rewarding. :) |
| 04:04 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 04:10 | waylonR | which way would be the easiest, to divide the zebra, seperate instance? or just a new index? |
| 04:11 | dcook | first question? |
| 04:11 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 04:11 | eythian | waylonR: this is a test server and you're just messing around? |
| 04:14 | jcamins | wtf? |
| 04:14 | Ubuntu server no longer allows you to change partitions in the installer? | |
| 04:14 | waylonR | nope, this server(s) is hot active. koha development on a different apache virtualhost. and I want to index the dev server, with koha 3.1x setup, without affecting the old koha index. |
| 04:15 | eythian | waylonR: then I would copy everything to another server and not mess around on a production server. |
| 04:15 | jcamins: waddaya mean? | |
| 04:15 | jcamins | eythian: it refuses to let me change partition sizes. |
| 04:16 | eythian | how odd |
| 04:16 | waylonR | hmmm. |
| 04:16 | jcamins | I know! |
| 04:16 | eythian | I haven't tried to do that in a long while actually |
| 04:16 | I want do to some yubikey experimenting on a vm tonight so maybe I'll try that then. | |
| 04:16 | (cos I'll have to be making a new vm for it) | |
| 04:17 | jcamins | I'll try the emergency boot disk. |
| 04:17 | This is absurd. | |
| 04:17 | waylonR | need it on these servers, to prove the speed difference though. What about putting the dev inside a vm on these servers? |
| 04:18 | trendynick joined #koha | |
| 04:18 | eythian | hrm |
| 04:19 | waylonR | Why do i need it seperate anyway? |
| 04:19 | eythian | I dunno, you started with the premise that you did. |
| 04:19 | oh wait | |
| 04:19 | you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea™ | |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | with TM. |
| 04:20 | @quote add eythian: you should have a separate server because messing on production is always a Bad Idea | |
| 04:20 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #274 added. |
| 04:21 | eythian | wizzyrea: you missed the ™ that I put there |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | LOL SORRY jez. |
| 04:21 | jeez* | |
| 04:22 | jcamins | And in the emergency shell it won't let me great a 1.5GB partition. |
| 04:22 | wtf? | |
| 04:22 | eythian | why won't it let you? |
| 04:22 | you're using cfdisk or something? | |
| 04:22 | jcamins | I have no idea. |
| 04:22 | fdisk | |
| 04:22 | I have never had a problem doing this before. | |
| 04:22 | eythian | what is your partition layout like? |
| 04:24 | pastebot | Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "/dev/sda1 2048 499711 248832 8" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/191 |
| 04:25 | jcamins | I'm thinking the problem is that the installer put in lvm. |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | ok, has anyone ever experienced not being able to add circ rules? |
| 04:25 | dcook | wizzyrea: Nope. |
| 04:26 | eythian | jcamins: oh, you probably have lvm taking up your whole free space then. |
| 04:26 | which is fine and normal | |
| 04:26 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, but shouldn't I be able to delete it? |
| 04:26 | eythian | it just means you shouldn't be working on sda, you should be working on the devicemapper thing. |
| 04:26 | probably. | |
| 04:26 | what happens when you try? | |
| 04:26 | jcamins | I have spent the last forty-five minutes being unable to change the size of my swap partition. |
| 04:27 | Nothing. | |
| 04:27 | wahanui | nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 04:27 | eythian | so, the whole machine locks up and processes no instructions beyond that point? |
| 04:27 | jcamins | It shows the partition being gone, then when I try to create a new one, it's back. |
| 04:27 | eythian | that's surprising. |
| 04:28 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. Today is a holiday (it's after midnight) here. :) |
| 04:28 | jcamins | Ah, forget it. |
| 04:28 | eythian | jcamins: why is your swap space sitting over your lvm? |
| 04:28 | jcamins | eythian: good question. |
| 04:28 | This is a brand new system. | |
| 04:29 | That is what the installer did. | |
| 04:29 | eythian | that's not the sort of thing that happens in a well behaved environment. |
| 04:29 | at least, I don't think it should | |
| 04:29 | also | |
| 04:29 | waith | |
| 04:29 | -h | |
| 04:29 | that's not swap | |
| 04:29 | that's an extended partition | |
| 04:30 | of course you can't change that, you have another partition inside it | |
| 04:30 | jcamins | I'm happy to delete all the partitions and start over. |
| 04:30 | Or, I would be. | |
| 04:30 | eythian | start with sda5 |
| 04:31 | swap is type 82 | |
| 04:31 | jcamins | So... there's no swap at all? |
| 04:31 | You know what? | |
| 04:31 | This is silly. | |
| 04:31 | I'll download Wheezy and try again. | |
| 04:31 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Apparaat Opstart Begin Einde B" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/192 |
| 04:31 | eythian | e.g that |
| 04:32 | err where uitgebreid is extended, and wisselgeheugen is an overly long word for swap | |
| 04:33 | also, use cfdisk | |
| 04:33 | because it makes that kind of thing easier to see | |
| 04:33 | jcamins | But it isn't available if you don't have an actual bootable system, is it? |
| 04:33 | eythian | I don't know |
| 04:33 | jcamins | It doesn't seem to be. |
| 04:33 | eythian | the rescue CD might have it, or it might not |
| 04:34 | jcamins | It doesn't seem to. |
| 04:34 | eythian | pity |
| 04:34 | jcamins | Since in forty-five minutes I have been unsuccessful in partitioning the stupid hard drive, I'm just downloading Wheezy. |
| 04:35 | I have never before had a problem with partitioning a computer for Linux, and I have installed Linux dozens and dozens of times. Including other versions of Ubuntu where the installer responded to input. | |
| 04:35 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Name Flags Part Type FS Type [" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/193 |
| 04:35 | eythian | what cfdisk looks like, should you be in a position to use it. |
| 04:35 | did you manage to delete the inner partition? | |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 04:35 | eythian | did it do the same thing? |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 04:35 | I deleted the hard drive image. | |
| 04:35 | That worked. :D | |
| 04:37 | eythian | heh |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | ohhhkayyyy so sorted the rules thing :) |
| 04:39 | I had an errant updatedatabase! | |
| 04:40 | * wizzyrea | is glad it was ultimately easy |
| 04:51 | wizzyrea | cgi-bin/koha/opac-authorities-home.pl?op=do_search&type=opac&operatorc=contains&marclistc=mainentry&and_orc=and&orderby=HeadingAsc&valuec=e-Learning < does this seem odd to anyone else? |
| 04:51 | this is from the see also links in the opac | |
| 04:51 | jcamins | Looks good to me. |
| 04:51 | * wizzyrea | doesn't understandwhy "operatorc" |
| 04:51 | jcamins | 'Cause it's always been operatorc. |
| 04:52 | wizzyrea | or "and_orc" |
| 04:52 | jcamins | For some reason we don't use a or b in the OPAC. |
| 04:52 | eythian | a and b were probably deprecated. |
| 04:52 | boring letters, over used. | |
| 04:52 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 04:52 | i missed you. | |
| 04:53 | eythian | I miss my holiday. |
| 04:53 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 04:54 | eythian | new packages uploading now. |
| 04:56 | wizzyrea | weird. well I have a situation where the see also links return all of the authorities with the c on there, But without the c it returns what you might expect. |
| 04:56 | it's possibly not signficant | |
| 04:56 | jcamins | Do I need a separate /boot partition? |
| 04:56 | wizzyrea | it's annoying though. |
| 04:56 | eythian | jcamins: not generally |
| 04:56 | jcamins | Cool. |
| 04:58 | dcook | Sounds strange, wizzyrea :( |
| 04:58 | jcamins | Yeah... that Just Worked with Debian. |
| 04:58 | wizzyrea | it is. |
| 05:00 | anyway got to run | |
| 05:00 | dcook | ciao wizzyrea |
| 05:01 | Ahhh, I feel like I'm almost done this test | |
| 05:01 | * dcook | is going to be so pleased when it's over |
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| 05:13 | dcook | This might sound weird...but I think I actually like documenting...sometimes |
| 05:18 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:18 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:19 | waylonR | ahh... turns out, i did make a seperate zebrasrv instance.. |
| 05:28 | cait | hi eythian |
| 06:32 | rangi++ | |
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| 06:41 | dcook | salut reiveune :) |
| 06:41 | reiveune | hello everybody :) |
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| 06:56 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:00 | matts | hi ! |
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| 07:23 | dcook | Hmm, what bug status would a person use for a work in progress? |
| 07:23 | "In discussion"? | |
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| 07:27 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:27 | dcook++ | |
| 07:28 | dcook | Thanks |
| 07:28 | Still a little ways to go I think | |
| 07:28 | morning, btw ;) | |
| 07:31 | kf | good morning #koha, drojf and dcook |
| 07:31 | dcook | morning kf :) |
| 07:31 | kf | dcook: assigned |
| 07:31 | * dcook | sees a magnuse as well |
| 07:31 | kf | but not needs sign off yet |
| 07:31 | drojf | hi kf |
| 07:31 | dcook | Ah, k. I'll change that. |
| 07:31 | kf | drojf: in discussion is asking for feedback or more opinions I would say |
| 07:31 | and it's not working totally well | |
| 07:31 | drojf | thanks for telling me ;) |
| 07:32 | dcook | Mmm, in discussion might make sense then... |
| 07:33 | I'd like feedback and more opinions | |
| 07:36 | kf | hm the status alone won't help |
| 07:36 | best to ask around and poit people to it directly | |
| 07:36 | or mailing list | |
| 07:36 | wahanui | rumour has it mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 07:39 | dcook | Hmm, yeah, maybe I'll ask the koha-devel folks |
| 07:39 | It's still too early for regular users to try out, I think | |
| 07:39 | * dcook | isn't self-conscious at all... |
| 07:39 | dcook | It's about 1500 lines, so I think it's the biggest thing I've contributed to Koha yet |
| 07:44 | waylonR | dcook, what you working on? |
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| 07:55 | paul_p | good morning/evening/afternoon/whatever for your TZ #koha ! |
| 07:55 | kf | hi paul_p |
| 07:55 | dcook | waylonR: An OAI-PMH harvesting client for Koha |
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| 08:00 | kf | dcook++ |
| 08:01 | dcook | Hope I deserve it :p |
| 08:01 | kf | you do and more |
| 08:01 | :) | |
| 08:01 | dcook | d'aww |
| 08:01 | thanks :) | |
| 08:13 | gerundio joined #koha | |
| 08:22 | dcook | Time to head home, me thinks |
| 08:22 | Hope you all have a good day :) | |
| 08:33 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:33 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 15.6°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:33 | drojf | winter! |
| 08:34 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:34 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.1°C (10:30 AM CEST on September 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:35 | drojf | brr |
| 08:40 | they have christmas stuff in stores now | |
| 08:41 | kf | yeah, i saw lebkuchen during the weekend |
| 08:41 | it's weird. | |
| 08:41 | wahanui | did you try flushing the cache and deleting wahanui's cookies |
| 08:41 | drojf | lol |
| 08:41 | i want glühwein | |
| 08:42 | i wonder if there is already weihnachtsmarkt in the city :D | |
| 08:43 | kf | drojf: grump. |
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| 12:29 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 12:31 | tcohen | dcook++ |
| 12:33 | kf | morning tcohen :) |
| 12:37 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 12:55 | gti status | |
| 12:55 | oops | |
| 12:58 | kf | :) |
| 13:00 | tcohen | we need RESTfull access to stuff on the staff interface |
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| 14:16 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 14:17 | one question: is possible to migrate borrowers from other system and maintain borrowernumber? | |
| 14:17 | using borrower importing tool (by CSV) | |
| 14:19 | kf | vfernandes: the borrowernumber can not be set using the import tool |
| 14:20 | in my experience | |
| 14:21 | vfernandes | so there isn't a way to maintain the borrowernumber? |
| 14:23 | kf | i would do a test, but i think it might be not possible using the import tool |
| 14:23 | it might be different for sql | |
| 14:23 | and there is also the question of what you are trying to achieve :) | |
| 14:26 | vfernandes | i'm trying to migrate some borrowers from one system to other but the number is important |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Why is the number important? |
| 14:27 | You can preserve it by writing a custom script that does direct SQL inserts. | |
| 14:27 | Or, I suppose, dump the table as SQL. | |
| 14:27 | vfernandes | because borrowers are identified by cardnumber or by that number |
| 14:28 | kf | we normally don't migrate internal numbers here |
| 14:28 | or we store them in a custom attribute for reference | |
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| 14:45 | tcohen | jcamins: http://snag.gy/hwlPK.jpg |
| 14:46 | jcamins | tcohen: looks good to me! |
| 14:46 | tcohen++ | |
| 15:03 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:03 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 15:45 | tcohen | @later tell oleonard are you gonna (eventually) substitute alerts for bootstrap modals? |
| 15:45 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:23 | drojf | good evening #koha |
| 16:23 | oh no, it's that weird time between kf and cait | |
| 16:23 | log? | |
| 16:23 | wahanui | somebody said log was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 16:24 | drojf | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 16:24 | wahanui | thanks drojf :) |
| 16:24 | jcamins | vagrant++ # for being really cool |
| 16:25 | ubuntu-- # for being way less cool | |
| 16:26 | drojf | who's vagrant? linux distribution? |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Vagrant is an automated VM provisioner: http://www.vagrantup.com/ |
| 16:28 | tcohen | hey, vagrant and ubuntu coexist flawlessly |
| 16:28 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, provided you use a slightly older Ubuntu image. |
| 16:28 | drojf | when i was young there were websites that respected my bad, but working eyes by not having very little but huge text distributed over a ridiculous amount of scroll-down space |
| 16:29 | half the internet looks like twitter now ^^ | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Apparently either the latest Precise server image is broken or it doesn't work with my version of VirtualBox, but installing Precise using an image downloaded yesterday was a horrible, unsuccessful experience. |
| 16:31 | Among other things, partitioning didn't work. | |
| 16:32 | Partitioning is not exactly an unimportant task when you have a brand new system. | |
| 16:34 | tcohen | sounds sad jcamins |
| 16:34 | jcamins | tcohen: it was very sad indeed. |
| 16:35 | Fortunately, Ubuntu 12.04 + lots of updates or Debian 7.1 + fewer updates works. | |
| 16:35 | tcohen | i haven't installed the very latest release (.3) but .2 without any issues |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Based on my experience, I'd recommend sticking with 12.04.2. |
| 16:35 | Downloading a gazillion updates is annoying, but not a disaster. | |
| 16:36 | Being unable to install Ubuntu is a bit more disastrous if your goal is to install Ubuntu. | |
| 16:37 | tcohen | heh, of course |
| 16:39 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:40 | cait joined #koha | |
| 16:41 | * cait | waves |
| 16:42 | tcohen | hi cait |
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| 16:43 | drojf | hi cait |
| 16:44 | cait | hi drojf |
| 16:44 | back from the library? | |
| 16:44 | drojf | no, switched to the office |
| 16:46 | but it looks like having a tablet and no internet works quite good. having a computer here, not so much | |
| 16:46 | cait | aah, ore quiet? ;) |
| 16:46 | yeah i know what you mean | |
| 16:46 | i can get free inernet at my favourite bookstore cafe now.... | |
| 16:46 | and see where i ended up | |
| 16:47 | drojf | i think i will do my 4 pages a day, starting today. which would meet my plans. if i keep it that way for two weeks |
| 16:47 | cait | ok, and how many have ou written? |
| 16:47 | and did you count in correction time? | |
| 16:48 | jcamins | Hm. There must be some way to say "replace dependencies on package X with dependencies on package Y" with Debian. |
| 17:00 | tcohen | jcamins: can I use TT variables inside JS code? |
| 17:03 | jcamins | tcohen: if it's in a template, yes. |
| 17:03 | Just make sure you sanitize them. | |
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| 17:07 | tcohen | its just the biblionumber :-D |
| 17:10 | jcamins | liw: if you're around, do you happen to know how to mark that a particular package should be considered to have been installed? |
| 17:21 | tcohen | jcamins: idiomatic? "Are you sure you want to delete this cover image?" |
| 17:23 | jcamins | tcohen: yes it is. |
| 17:29 | tcohen | jcamins: http://screenr.com/dnrH |
| 17:30 | i recorded using a java applet, hence the operation slowliness | |
| 17:30 | heh | |
| 17:30 | jcamins | Looks good to me. |
| 17:31 | tcohen | i browsed the MARC view only to show it wasn't just a .hide() |
| 17:31 | heh | |
| 17:31 | * jcamins | believed you. :P |
| 17:32 | * tcohen | also, but it happens a few times that he belived to have succeded, and not |
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| 18:17 | tcohen | jcamins: can I trade bonus points for QAing some other thing?:-P |
| 18:20 | jcamins | tcohen: I'm going to be working on some patches later today, so I'll sign off on yours then. :) |
| 18:21 | I realized why the test plan on the authority deduplicator seemed so completely wrong. | |
| 18:21 | It was a test plan for a different bug. | |
| 18:21 | tcohen | oh, that's good news! |
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| 18:23 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 18:31 | jcamins | fredericd++ |
| 18:35 | liw | jcamins, I don't understand the question, I'm afraid |
| 18:35 | jcamins | liw: I figured it out. |
| 18:35 | liw | good :) |
| 18:36 | jcamins | My problem was that I was installing Java using a package that didn't provide the metapackage java-runtime5 (or something like that). |
| 18:36 | The solution was to use equivs to create a package that required my package and *did* provide the virtual package. | |
| 18:36 | I meant virtual package, not metapackage, I think. | |
| 19:49 | liw | equivs is the right answer for that, yes |
| 19:49 | cait | hm |
| 19:50 | I see that mtompset changed our license text in the coding guidelines? | |
| 19:50 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]11210&oldid=11192 | |
| 19:53 | rangi | yep al good |
| 19:53 | got the write street address | |
| 19:53 | right too | |
| 19:53 | that was one of the first things liw did on koha, fix all the FSF addresses :) | |
| 19:54 | cait | so all ok then :) |
| 19:54 | liw | I did? how very pedantic of me |
| 19:54 | cait | heh |
| 19:54 | liw++ | |
| 19:55 | rangi | well to be fair, you wrote a script to do it :) |
| 19:55 | liw | :) |
| 19:56 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2fc581373;hb=HEAD |
| 19:57 | liw | git never forget, git never forgives :) |
| 19:59 | rangi | :) |
| 20:02 | cait | it beats every elephant in memory :) |
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| 20:17 | rangi | http://www.vala.org.au/valatec[…]ot-camp#bootcampb |
| 20:17 | kablam | |
| 20:19 | australia, im in your country, annoying your publishers | |
| 20:19 | interestingly, the session is sponsored by RMIT publishing :) | |
| 20:19 | cait | :) |
| 20:21 | rangi | ok, taking kids to school bbl |
| 21:09 | back | |
| 21:10 | cait | welcome back |
| 21:10 | wahanui | I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 21:34 | eythian | hi |
| 21:34 | cait | hi eythian :) |
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| 22:46 | rangi | https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bi[…]4LIB&F=&S=&P=6523 |
| 22:50 | jcamins | rangi: French cheese. |
| 22:50 | rangi | heh |
| 22:50 | dare you to reply and say that :) | |
| 22:51 | jcamins | Well, if you insist. |
| 22:59 | One reason why the Koha community is entertaining, and one reason why they should come to the conference. :) | |
| 23:03 | rangi | :) |
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