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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | wizzyrea | I'm waiting on specifics |
| 00:00 | dcook | Mmm, could be |
| 00:00 | I think RDA might get rid of the "rule of three" for authors | |
| 00:01 | Where cataloguers are supposed to only add up to three additional authors in the 7xx fields | |
| 00:01 | If you do get specifics, it would be great if you could record them somewhere | |
| 00:01 | As far as I can tell, the average person needs to pay for specifics | |
| 00:01 | * dcook | looks at the rdatoolkit pricetag and all the RDA workshop ads. |
| 00:02 | rangi | only record them if the license allows |
| 00:02 | dcook | rangi: I've wondered about that |
| 00:02 | I can understand not cutting and pasting from licensed documents | |
| 00:02 | However, what about summaries? | |
| 00:02 | rangi | nope |
| 00:03 | Licensor hereby grants to Licensee a non | |
| 00:03 | - | |
| 00:03 | exclusive, non | |
| 00:03 | - | |
| 00:03 | transferable, non | |
| 00:03 | dcook | How do people get away with posting AACR2 guidelines at universities? |
| 00:03 | rangi | - |
| 00:03 | assignable license to access materials include | |
| 00:03 | d in | |
| 00:03 | RDA Toolkit | |
| 00:03 | under the terms and conditions set forth herein. | |
| 00:03 | Each | |
| 00:03 | separate Site requires its own RDA Toolkit | |
| 00:03 | license regardless of subscription mechanism. | |
| 00:03 | they break their license agreement | |
| 00:03 | or, it doesnt have one as draconian as the rda toolkit | |
| 00:03 | dcook | Could be |
| 00:04 | Oh law... | |
| 00:04 | rangi | Neither Licensee nor Authorized Users acquire ownership rights to the RDA Toolkit. |
| 00:04 | The RDA Toolkit may not be | |
| 00:04 | resold or transferred. | |
| 00:04 | dcook | But people can say "we need this" or "we need that" |
| 00:04 | rangi | you lease it |
| 00:04 | you dont buy a copy | |
| 00:04 | wizzyrea | http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/1[…]rom-aacr2-to-rda/ |
| 00:04 | dcook | Yeah, I've used the RDA toolkit a few times and looked at their pricing/user info |
| 00:05 | True enough. Lots of info out there already. | |
| 00:05 | Actually, I posted a link to the rdatoolkit where they gave away some info.. | |
| 00:06 | http://access.rdatoolkit.org/d[…]nt.php?id=jscmap1 | |
| 00:09 | Hmm, that's not a half-bad blog post | |
| 00:10 | wizzyrea | that site isn't bad generally |
| 00:11 | dcook | http://rdabasics.com/2012/09/1[…]d-carrier-fields/ |
| 00:11 | "These fields are not display fields." | |
| 00:11 | LoC displays them and I had a library wanting them displayed though | |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 00:12 | rangi | its a clustefuck |
| 00:12 | wizzyrea | yea exactly |
| 00:12 | what he said. | |
| 00:12 | rangi | piling more crap on top of crap |
| 00:12 | dcook | Although personally...they probably would be better used as replacements for fixed field data (since a lot of people don't use the fixed fields as the spec says they should) |
| 00:12 | rangi | and wasting everyones time and money |
| 00:12 | dcook | rangi: Pretty much |
| 00:12 | wizzyrea | These fields are not display fields. Sirsi (or LMxAC) will have to design a way for the information contained in the 336-338 fields to map to a display in the OPAC. |
| 00:13 | rangi | good luck with that |
| 00:13 | wizzyrea | that kind of only works if you are super consistent? |
| 00:13 | dcook | Yep |
| 00:13 | Which isn't likely to work with free text fields | |
| 00:13 | wizzyrea | yea naw. |
| 00:13 | stupid. stupid. stupid. | |
| 00:13 | dcook | Which is why they had fixed value fields...except people couldn't figure out the codes |
| 00:13 | rangi | lemme just build a natural language parser into my opac |
| 00:14 | * wizzyrea | sighs. |
| 00:14 | sighs a lot | |
| 00:14 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:14 | Poor wizzyrea | |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | meh, not poor me |
| 00:14 | dcook | I've had those same sighs |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | iti's just so head shakingly bad. |
| 00:15 | dcook | No one is really offering a viable alternative though |
| 00:15 | At least, not yet. | |
| 00:15 | Mind you, even if we don't have MARC, we still have RDA | |
| 00:15 | wizzyrea | I know right! |
| 00:15 | dcook | Either RDA/AACR2/ISBD or no standard |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | whoever did this blog, which I suspect we should archive RIGHT NOW |
| 00:16 | talks about that | |
| 00:16 | dcook | Yeah? |
| 00:16 | I noticed the part where they said RDA wasn't designed with MARC in mind | |
| 00:16 | Which...I suppose is a blessing and a curse | |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | (because I suspect that if they knew the info was available, they would make him/her take it down) |
| 00:17 | dcook | (Probably) |
| 00:18 | * wizzyrea | wonders what storage medium they had in mind - xml maybe? |
| 00:18 | dcook | I'm not sure they thought that far ahead necessarily |
| 00:18 | They probably only thought about it from a bibliographic angle | |
| 00:18 | Which...yeah...blessing and a curse | |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea | anyway - there's clearly work to be done there |
| 00:19 | to cope with RDA records | |
| 00:19 | dcook | Well... |
| 00:20 | To be honest, a lot of RDA seems to do with description rather than encoding | |
| 00:20 | Like the rule of three bit and the elimination of standard abbreviations | |
| 00:20 | Which doesn't really matter in our cases | |
| 00:20 | If I'm not mistaken, the XSLTs already handle limitless 7xx fields for authors, I think | |
| 00:21 | I could submit a patch at some point for the 336, 337, 338, and 264 | |
| 00:21 | Other than that...a lot of it is frameworks/slight mods of the subfield selects in the XSLTs | |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | ^ work |
| 00:21 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | to be done |
| 00:21 | dcook | Touché |
| 00:22 | That's not much work though. I did the extra fields pretty quickly. | |
| 00:22 | The subfield selects...those will probably come up | |
| 00:22 | I suppose the requirement gathering is where the real work is | |
| 00:22 | wizzyrea | right lunch |
| 00:23 | dcook | I was rambling to someone about this recently. As a Koha developer, is our job to give people what they want or to push ahead and try to give them what might be good? |
| 00:23 | Maybe both.. | |
| 00:23 | wahanui | maybe both are related |
| 00:30 | gmcharlt | dcook: to answer your question, yes |
| 00:30 | dcook | Makes sense |
| 00:30 | I suppose I wish that more library world people were involved in trying to push ahead as well | |
| 00:31 | Mind you, it's tough breaking out of 50+ years of tradition | |
| 00:31 | Well, maybe 40+ | |
| 00:31 | gmcharlt | maybe 100+, not all of it bad :) |
| 00:32 | dcook | Certainly not all of it bad :) |
| 00:32 | Libraries are great (even if they charge you a 1.80 fee for reserves...*grumbles*) | |
| 00:33 | I suppose it's hard to start fresh when the data isn't fresh. | |
| 00:33 | And any attempt to migrate that data while preserving all that data will almost necessarily involve copying across some of its not so great conventions as well... | |
| 00:34 | Baby steps I guess | |
| 00:36 | Without a doubt, I'm glad to be working on Koha where these things are possible :) | |
| 00:51 | ie-- | |
| 01:04 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 01:15 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:15 | dcook | \o |
| 01:20 | bag | heya druthb and dcook |
| 01:20 | dcook | hey bag |
| 01:21 | Haven't seen you around in a while | |
| 01:21 | bag | been busy - and this week - no daycare so I'm with Ginny all week :) :D |
| 01:21 | dcook | Yay for time with Ginny :) |
| 01:22 | When I have a sprog, I hope I get to have hometime with them. | |
| 01:22 | bag | it's the best! |
| 01:23 | well with a happy happy girl like Ginny! she makes me laugh and is always happy! | |
| 01:23 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:24 | \o/ | |
| 01:24 | * mtj | waves to druthb, dcook and bag |
| 01:24 | dcook | hey ya mtj :) |
| 01:24 | bag | hey Mason! |
| 01:25 | mtj | hi! hi! |
| 01:25 | * druthb | waves to mtj |
| 01:31 | wizzyrea | sprog hehe |
| 01:32 | bag | heya wizzyrea |
| 01:32 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | whaddup |
| 01:36 | dcook | @karma ie7 |
| 01:36 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "ie7" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 01:36 | dcook | ie7-- |
| 01:36 | Don't like media queries, eh? Jerk... | |
| 01:37 | mtj | let the selecting of hunks commence! |
| 01:38 | * wizzyrea | has already done her selecting ;) |
| 01:38 | dcook | wizzyrea has all the hunks and sprogs |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | *A* hunk and *A* sprog. :P |
| 01:38 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 01:39 | dcook | Well, if you want to be accurate :p |
| 01:47 | I think...I might be stumped. IE7 doesn't seem to embrace media queries in the @import rule. | |
| 01:47 | Short of using IE specific comments in the HTML, I don't see a way around this.. | |
| 01:48 | When I say doesn't embrace, IE7 doesn't import the stylesheet if there is a media query attached to the rule. | |
| 01:48 | * dcook | sighs |
| 01:54 | dcook | Perhaps that's a "cross that bridge" when it comes to it.. |
| 02:15 | druthb | hrm. |
| 02:15 | * druthb | grumps. |
| 02:18 | dcook | :( |
| 02:19 | druthb | Set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow", but still can't add a 700 on a UNIMARC. Still locked out. |
| 02:20 | dcook | Did you clear your cache? |
| 02:20 | druthb | 'sec. lemme try that. |
| 02:20 | dcook | I've had that happen quite a few times and it ended up being caching |
| 02:22 | jcamins | druthb: why are you using UNIMARC? |
| 02:23 | druthb | dcook: Wasn't that. nuts. |
| 02:23 | dcook | Damn :/ |
| 02:23 | druthb | jcamins: Signing off a patch. |
| 02:23 | dcook | druthb++ |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | the framework is properly configured? |
| 02:24 | druthb | Unsure, wizzyrea; this is from M. Saby's test DB. |
| 02:24 | jcamins | druthb++ |
| 02:26 | *Now* I understand: http://geek-and-poke.com/geeka[…]/20/naming-is-key | |
| 02:32 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:34 | rangi | aarrrrrgggh |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 02:34 | rangi | i accidentally read a mail |
| 02:34 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | hate it when that happens! |
| 02:37 | * druthb | grumps s'more. |
| 02:38 | gmcharlt | druthb is making s'mores! great! |
| 02:39 | * druthb | melts a UNIMARC record... |
| 02:42 | sets this patch aside for now, in frustration. | |
| 02:45 | dcook | poor rangi :( |
| 02:45 | :( | |
| 02:45 | That second one was for druthb | |
| 02:46 | * druthb | waves, and goes to do something else for a bit. |
| 03:36 | * dcook | tries to remember which sub allows you to get an authorized value's description.. |
| 03:36 | dcook | C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc looks about right... |
| 04:03 | Whoever designed C4::Biblio::GetAuthorisedValueDesc is awesome. | |
| 04:03 | I so want to give them a highfive | |
| 04:04 | Or rather the lines near the bottom | |
| 04:04 | @karma hdl | |
| 04:04 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "hdl" has been increased 69 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 68. |
| 04:04 | dcook | hdl++ |
| 04:10 | Ah, perhaps I spoke too soon for all the praise... | |
| 04:44 | cjh | awesome http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-well-pretty-much |
| 05:05 | dcook | What web browsers do people use on Linux? |
| 05:05 | The default options seem rather horrible | |
| 05:07 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:35 | dcook | Hey ya cait |
| 05:35 | * dcook | should go eat lunch... |
| 05:35 | cait | probably :) |
| 05:35 | isn't it late for lunch? | |
| 05:38 | dcook | Pretty late |
| 05:44 | I wasn't feeling hungry before though.. | |
| 05:47 | cait | hm it started when i came online? |
| 05:47 | * cait | hands you a cookie |
| 06:05 | halcyonCorsair joined #koha | |
| 06:20 | dcook | Cookie! |
| 06:20 | Apparently I'm a bit slow | |
| 06:20 | http://dl2sl.org/ looks kind of neat... | |
| 06:24 | papa joined #koha | |
| 06:25 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:31 | dcook | Hey ya magnuse |
| 06:31 | papa++ | |
| 06:31 | papa | hi there |
| 06:33 | magnuse | hiya dcook and papa |
| 06:37 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 06:37 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:38 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 06:39 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 06:40 | dcook | hey ya drojf |
| 06:41 | cait | hi papa, magnuse and drojf! |
| 06:41 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 06:42 | drojf | hi dcook and cait |
| 06:43 | * dcook | tries to remember when daylight savings time is around the world |
| 06:44 | dcook | I keep thinking there's a time when you folks show up earlier than just before I'm supposed to leave :p |
| 06:44 | cait | hm takes a bit longer i think |
| 06:46 | bbl | |
| 06:46 | cait left #koha | |
| 06:47 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:47 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 06:47 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:47 | wahanui | niihau, gaetan_B |
| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:48 | magnuse | dcook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D[…]g_time_by_country |
| 06:48 | bonjour reiveune et gaetan_B | |
| 06:48 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:48 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 | magnuse | @wunder konstanz |
| 06:48 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 14.0°C (8:45 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:48 | magnuse | @wunder sydney |
| 06:48 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:49 | magnuse | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 06:49 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (4:30 PM EST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:49 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:49 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:49 | dcook | salut gaetan_B, reiveune |
| 06:49 | reiveune | hi magnuse, dcook :) |
| 06:49 | dcook | Hmm, chilly again today.. |
| 06:49 | magnuse | ooh, *parts* of australia has daylight savings time? |
| 06:50 | awesome! | |
| 06:50 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse |
| 06:50 | magnuse | ouch |
| 06:50 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 06:50 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 16.3°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:50 | dcook | That's the same back in Canada |
| 06:50 | gaetan_B | hi magnuse, dcook |
| 06:50 | dcook | I grew up in Saskatchewan where we don't have daylight savings time |
| 06:50 | gaetan_B | nihau wahanui |
| 06:50 | dcook | I've only encountered it...5 times in my life really |
| 06:50 | magnuse | heh |
| 06:50 | dcook | Made me late for coffee with someone once :p |
| 06:50 | Well, actually, she knew that I'd be late because I would forget about the time change | |
| 06:50 | We actually wound up at different coffee shops with the same name | |
| 06:51 | Which actually were only 9 blocks away from each other... | |
| 06:52 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 06:52 | alex_a | hello |
| 06:52 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
| 06:52 | dcook | bonjour alex_a |
| 06:53 | alex_a | salut dcook |
| 06:53 | dcook | I still have a hard time wrapping my head around this concept.. |
| 06:53 | So in October... | |
| 06:54 | It will be 7:55am rather than 8:55am in Germany? | |
| 06:54 | Or 9:55am? | |
| 06:56 | Aha, diagrams.. | |
| 06:56 | 7:55am | |
| 06:57 | So I'll still see cait but no one else :o | |
| 06:57 | magnuse | me? |
| 06:57 | wahanui | you are, like, afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza |
| 06:57 | dcook | lol |
| 07:02 | magnuse | next gbsd? |
| 07:02 | wahanui | i think next gbsd is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 07:02 | magnuse | gbsd? |
| 07:02 | wahanui | gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 07:03 | magnuse | dcook++ papa++ cait++ for doing signoffs |
| 07:05 | dcook | I did a sign off? |
| 07:05 | That doesn't sound right | |
| 07:05 | * dcook | tries to remember |
| 07:05 | papa | maybe this is an incentive.. |
| 07:07 | dcook | Ahh...I see |
| 07:07 | It wasn't legitimate | |
| 07:07 | It was me changing a bug back to signed off from failed qa | |
| 07:08 | For my own bug...:/ | |
| 07:08 | papa: Almost certainly. If only I weren't so swamped :S. | |
| 07:08 | I'm already staying late at work.. | |
| 07:08 | magnuse | ah, i better be more careful with my ++s next time ;-) |
| 07:09 | dcook | Well...the public library is open until 8...maybe I can get in an actual test once I finish up this report I'm writing.. |
| 07:11 | Oh...I think I've nearly got it.. | |
| 07:12 | group_concat using a newline separator so that the SQL report can show multiple values for the patron :D | |
| 07:16 | Not very useful in the web view but handy when you download as CSV.. | |
| 07:26 | rangi | fly spaghetti monster save us from people helping with bad advice about cron |
| 07:27 | our starting their own wiki with old instructions | |
| 07:27 | i assume they mean well .. but not actually helping | |
| 07:27 | dcook | ^^ all comments |
| 07:27 | Those! | |
| 07:28 | cjh | amen. |
| 07:28 | dcook | I have a blog where I occasionally talk about my adventures with Koha but I think I've tried my best to not actually reference anything specific |
| 07:28 | I should probably go back and check some time though.. | |
| 07:28 | I think people do think they're helping but such a bad idea | |
| 07:29 | mtompset++ | |
| 07:29 | Improving the wiki instructions seems like the way to go | |
| 07:33 | Ooo, bugs to sign off.. | |
| 07:35 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:35 | dcook | hey ya matts |
| 07:40 | There we go, magnuse. An actual sign off :p | |
| 07:41 | rangi | gah |
| 07:41 | dcook | gah? |
| 07:41 | rangi | that wiki is so wrong |
| 07:41 | they set up the package source | |
| 07:41 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 07:41 | rangi | http://wiki.lib.sun.ac.za/inde[…]Install_Ubuntu_12.04_LTS_server_software_on_a_bare_metal_or_virtual_machine. |
| 07:41 | then go on and do the tarball .. wtf | |
| 07:42 | magnuse | oh noes... |
| 07:42 | dcook | What the.. |
| 07:42 | wahanui | the is probably a stop word |
| 07:42 | dcook | Indeed, wahanui. Indeed. |
| 07:42 | magnuse | dcook++ for the actual signoff |
| 07:43 | dcook | Thanks :) |
| 07:43 | I'll look at doing another. | |
| 07:43 | I want to pick up the rest of Akira but the library doesn't close for a while.. | |
| 07:44 | rangi | have you seen the kurosawa movie of the same name? |
| 07:44 | dcook | The method of installation and setup described below is called the "original tarball" installation method. Do not confuse it with any other installation method. |
| 07:44 | *facepalm* | |
| 07:44 | * dcook | facepalm |
| 07:44 | wahanui | facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
| 07:44 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:44 | rangi: Yep, although it's been a couple years. | |
| 07:45 | Seems pretty different from what I can tell so far | |
| 07:45 | Although apparently Otomo also did the script for the movie I think.. | |
| 07:45 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:45 | dcook | Wait... |
| 07:46 | I don't think Kurosawa was on the film | |
| 07:46 | I think Otomo did the whole thing himself | |
| 07:46 | rangi | you might be right |
| 07:46 | confusing it with ikiru | |
| 07:47 | dcook | I've never seen Ikiru.. |
| 07:47 | Actually, Seven Samurai might be the only one I've seen of his | |
| 07:48 | rangi | oh you are missing out |
| 07:48 | dcook | I might have The Hidden Fortress somewhere though. Keep meaning to watch that.. |
| 07:48 | rangi | yojimbo is great |
| 07:48 | as is sanshiro sugata | |
| 07:49 | * cjh | hasnt seen any of those |
| 07:50 | dcook | I'll have to check them out sometime :) |
| 07:51 | cjh: They're pretty classic | |
| 07:51 | Mind you, Seven Samurai is nearly 4 hours long.. | |
| 07:51 | So you have to be willing to sit for a while | |
| 07:51 | Admittedly, I watched it in stages :p | |
| 07:52 | rangi | that was his homage to spaghetti westerns |
| 07:52 | theny they went and made the magnificent seven, which was a homage to seven samurai | |
| 07:52 | full circle | |
| 07:52 | cjh | heh |
| 07:52 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:53 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:53 | dcook | I knew Magnificient Seven was a homage to Seven Samurai but I didn't know that Seven Samurai was itself an homage to spaghetti westerns as well. Sweet. |
| 07:53 | * kf | waves |
| 07:53 | dcook | hey ya kf :) |
| 07:53 | * cjh | takes notes |
| 07:53 | rangi | hi kf |
| 07:54 | when i had fatso.co.nz i went through a phase where i watched all of the kurosawa movies | |
| 07:54 | cjh | :o that may be the reason to get fatso that I have been looking for. |
| 07:56 | dcook | Interesting. I'd never heard of the site before. Good ol' NZ |
| 07:56 | rangi | quickflix.co.nz only has one |
| 07:57 | dcook | I think I got both Kurosawa films from the library back home :) |
| 07:57 | Still disappointed about the libraries here charing for reservations.. | |
| 07:57 | Mind you, I only have two branches at mind so I guess that's not a huge problem.. | |
| 07:57 | rangi | http://www.fatso.co.nz/Search/[…]ira_Kurosawa/8113 |
| 07:57 | dcook | I wonder if that will/has come up with Koha |
| 07:57 | rangi | yep |
| 07:57 | cjh | I have been thinking of signing up to fatso for scifis, an '50s, '60s and '70s japanese movie education might just tip me over the edge. |
| 07:58 | rangi | :) |
| 07:58 | may as well do the free trial | |
| 07:58 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:58 | * cjh | is currently watching all the bond films |
| 07:58 | rangi | ran |
| 07:58 | cjh | they are hilarious. |
| 07:58 | rangi | that was great too |
| 07:59 | kurosawa remakes king lear :) | |
| 08:00 | drojf | reminds me i still have not watched sátántangó. 7 hours of quiet hungarians in black and white. had to download it, never watched it. i should still have it somewhere |
| 08:00 | dcook | Ooh. Ran does sound good.. |
| 08:01 | Love me a good Shakespeare remake | |
| 08:16 | rangi | lots of KOHA today |
| 08:16 | dcook | I seem to notice it more and more all the time :/ |
| 08:19 | rangi | i replied saying if the webinar can be delivered via free software, id be interested |
| 08:25 | dcook | Not sure I've noticed that one |
| 08:26 | rangi | ah on the main list, from eifl |
| 08:28 | dcook | Mm, I'll take a look |
| 08:29 | Hmm... | |
| 08:30 | Having troubles loading the email archive. Might be an issue on my end though.. | |
| 08:30 | Up now.. | |
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| 08:40 | rangi | oh good grief |
| 08:40 | im moved on from assuming they are wanting to help | |
| 08:40 | to assuming they are grandstanding now | |
| 08:40 | kf | grandstanding? |
| 08:40 | rangi | latest email on the koha list |
| 08:41 | kf: To perform ostentatiously so as to impress an audience. | |
| 08:41 | a new english bit of slang for you :) | |
| 08:41 | kf | thx :) |
| 08:42 | rangi | now im doubly glad i replied to the eifl mail |
| 08:42 | dcook | Perhaps this is the week of grandstanding :p |
| 08:42 | * dcook | checks the archive |
| 08:44 | dcook | Oh dear... |
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| 08:59 | dcook | Hmm..might not make it to the library now |
| 08:59 | Tricksy magnuse getting me to stay uber late.. | |
| 09:00 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 09:02 | kf | Joubu++ :) |
| 09:08 | dcook | Three legitimate ones to make up for my not so legitimate one :p |
| 09:11 | Have a good day/night all. | |
| 09:11 | Public library time! | |
| 09:11 | * dcook | crosses his fingers that he gets there in time |
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| 11:51 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:02 | oleonard | Hideley-ho koharinos |
| 12:14 | * magnuse | wonders what oleonard had for breakfast ;-) |
| 12:15 | oleonard | I had a bowl full of angry condemnation of Internet Explorer 7. |
| 12:15 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:15 | oleonard | (re: Bug 10772) |
| 12:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10772 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , IE7 not loading reset-fonts-grids.css in staff client |
| 12:16 | oleonard | Are there really people out there using Windows 2000 who can't upgrade to IE8? |
| 12:16 | Windows XP is so old Microsoft doesn't even support it anymore, and even that can run IE8. | |
| 12:16 | jcamins | Probably. |
| 12:17 | oleonard | Who are these IE7 users and what the hell is wrong with them/their IT departments? |
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| 12:22 | drojf | windows 2000 was the last windows i had installed in a non-VM version. good times. i might consider using it again if koha works with IE7 :P |
| 12:25 | actually win2k only had IE6 i think | |
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| 12:39 | * oleonard | ought to see if we can fund Bug 6615 this year... |
| 12:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Add shelving location option to transfers page |
| 12:40 | druthb | g'morning, #koha! |
| 12:41 | kf | hi druthb |
| 12:41 | * druthb | wriggles happily |
| 12:44 | oleonard | Where did this empty pbr folder come from and why isn't it filled with cheap beer? |
| 12:47 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:49 | kf | morning tcohen |
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| 13:56 | magnuse | is there a known limit to how many patrons can be imported at once with the "import patrons" tool? |
| 13:58 | kf | hm not aknown one |
| 13:59 | but it can take a while | |
| 14:10 | gmcharlt | and too long (by default, 10 minutes), and the Apache backend process times out |
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| 14:41 | tcohen | @later tell eythian I need your advice for including a config file in case a suggested dependency is installed (bash-completion) |
| 14:41 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:43 | kf | tcohen: i think he is still on vacation |
| 14:43 | might take a bit until you hear back | |
| 14:43 | tcohen | thanks for telling kf |
| 14:46 | kf | np |
| 14:49 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]557ea371b42b124d0> / Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]40991bf8fa0e3b720> / Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report an |
| 14:52 | drojf | tcohen kf eythian is still on vacation and really looking forward to hundreds of "@ later"s :P |
| 14:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #60 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:58 | oleonard | eythian should have set up a vacation @later autoresponder |
| 15:00 | drojf | heh |
| 15:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1380 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:04 | drojf | wahanui: @later tell eythian is <eythian> i am out of office right now. thank you for leaving a message. if i do not get back to you within one hour, please leave me another message. |
| 15:04 | wahanui | drojf: de rien |
| 15:06 | tcohen | hehe |
| 15:11 | drojf | omg, i made filemaker do an sql query. i feel like a mad scientist doing frankenstein-y things. |
| 15:11 | filemaker-- | |
| 15:25 | druthb | mad_scientists++ |
| 15:25 | drojf++ # I am so stealing "frankenstein-y". | |
| 15:27 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:27 | drojf | druthb: i'm going to allow this :) |
| 15:28 | kf | :) |
| 15:29 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e6ddd6e22a151d6bf> |
| 15:34 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #60: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/60/ |
| 15:34 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once | |
| 15:34 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once | |
| 15:34 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports | |
| 15:34 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page | |
| 15:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
| 15:34 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report |
| 15:34 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided | |
| 15:34 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() | |
| 15:34 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() | |
| 15:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
| 15:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #61 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 16:06 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:12 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #61: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/61/ |
| 16:12 | Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC | |
| 16:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules |
| 16:16 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1380: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1380/ |
| 16:16 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: add ability to selelct multiple reports to delete at once | |
| 16:16 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 3134: [Follow-up] Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once | |
| 16:16 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: highlight all selected reports when confirming deletion of multiple reports | |
| 16:16 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) improve ID and peport name sorting on saved reports page | |
| 16:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3134 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Ability to select multiple reports to delete at once |
| 16:16 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 3134: (follow-up) Reindent delete_report |
| 16:16 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10761: UT: add unit tests for save_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Guided | |
| 16:16 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10761: (follow-up) change return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() | |
| 16:16 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) use explicit return in C4::Reports::Guided::delete_report() | |
| 16:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
| 16:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1381 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 23 hr ago) |
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| 16:18 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 16:18 | How do I delete dangling blobs? | |
| 16:19 | * druthb | waves to mtompset |
| 16:19 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. :) |
| 16:22 | So any ideas on how to reset a git repo without a full reclone? | |
| 16:23 | jcamins | mtompset: for dangling blobs I generally recommend seeing a specialist. |
| 16:23 | But, A) why are you trying to do this, and B) git gc. | |
| 16:24 | mtompset | because a series of git am's and git bz's (ordering and attempts all lost) have created a git mess. |
| 16:24 | jcamins | In what way? |
| 16:24 | mtompset | I now have dangling blobs. |
| 16:24 | I have files in a branch that I wasn't expecting. | |
| 16:25 | I have files with contents that are in another branch. | |
| 16:25 | * drojf | recommends fire |
| 16:25 | mtompset | I just want to reset without a full reclone. |
| 16:25 | downloading is a pain! | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | So you are saying that you accidentally added commits to the wrong branch? |
| 16:26 | mtompset | I may have and not noticed until now, but it seems strange that a 'git diff origin/master' didn't pop out these difference. |
| 16:27 | jcamins | And are you sure they are actually on your branch? |
| 16:27 | How do you know you have dangling blobs? Did you get an error message? | |
| 16:27 | mtompset | git fsck |
| 16:28 | nevermind... I'm taking the pain AGAIN. | |
| 16:28 | kf | mtompset: not sure it's necessary |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Dangling blobs are not a problem. |
| 16:28 | kf | but without telling us what the problem is a bit better it's hard to tell :) |
| 16:30 | it's really hard to break git actually | |
| 16:31 | jcamins | I managed once. |
| 16:31 | Catastrophic disk failure FTW. | |
| 16:31 | kf | that doesn't count really, does it? |
| 16:32 | jcamins | However, since mtompset did not say "how do I recover data from a disk that has suffered a catastrophic failure and corrupted 90% of my files?" I suppose that's not the problem we're dealing with. |
| 16:32 | kf: well... git was unhappy. | |
| 16:32 | mtompset | No, that wasn't the problem. |
| 16:33 | I don't know how but my one branch tracking origin/master had edits in it, but 'git diff origin/master' wasn't showing differences. | |
| 16:33 | liw | I broke git today, by having my laptop crash |
| 16:33 | jcamins | mtompset: just as a thing-for-next-time, did you check to see that the files that were actuall committed? |
| 16:33 | *that were changed were actually | |
| 16:33 | mtompset | They were. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | Interesting. |
| 16:34 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 16:34 | mtompset | I really need to keep track of what I am doing, so I don't keep doing this. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | I have three screens full of dangling blobs. |
| 16:34 | mtompset | I was trying to apply that bug you mentioned yesterday, jcamins. But was having difficulty. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | In case you were wondering. |
| 16:35 | mtompset | There has to be a nice way to remove dangling blobs/trees. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Yes, I told you. git gc. But that's not your problem. |
| 16:35 | mtompset | git gc didn't remove them. |
| 16:36 | jcamins | You have to look in the documentation to find the correct argument to forcibly remove them. |
| 16:36 | git tries to save you from doing something you'll regret like forcibly deleting possibly-useful data. | |
| 16:36 | mtompset | Yes, I discovered that. |
| 16:38 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 16:39 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f26751db09cf90231> |
| 16:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #62 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:55 | tcohen | @later tell kf I think it is, because bgkriegel is not available till past-release time |
| 16:55 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:18 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #62: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/62/ |
| 17:18 | Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 | |
| 17:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
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| 17:31 | Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10743: Add styles to 'my privacy' page in OPAC | |
| 17:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10743 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , add style to privacy rules |
| 17:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1382 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1379 1 day 0 hr ago) |
| 17:36 | * magnuse | pokes his head in again |
| 17:37 | * druthb | waves to magnuse |
| 17:38 | * magnuse | waves to druthb |
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| 17:43 | magnuse | kia ora NateC! |
| 17:43 | um, is it really necessary that "Import patrons" says "Parsing upload file test.csv" for each and every line in the imported file? | |
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| 17:57 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 17:57 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:50 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:57 | magnuse | humidity-induced ouch! |
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| 17:58 | mtompset | Greetings again, #koha. |
| 17:58 | Got to love wireless issues. | |
| 17:59 | Okay, so, I'd like to play with the bug that you mentioned yesterday, jcamins, but it says it is against 3.14, but there is no such tag, so I tried master, but it conflicts like crazy. So, how could it be signed off? | |
| 18:00 | jcamins | It's against master. |
| 18:00 | Get someone to rebase it. | |
| 18:00 | * jcamins | didn't write it, and last looked at it ages and ages ago. |
| 18:01 | mtompset | or suffer the pain of rebasing it myself? |
| 18:01 | oleonard | Which bug? |
| 18:01 | mtompset | (if you want something done quickly, yourself is usually better) |
| 18:01 | bug 6874 | |
| 18:01 | wahanui | bug 6874 is, like, epic |
| 18:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 18:01 | jcamins | Right. |
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| 18:04 | cait | DND? :) |
| 18:04 | * cait | waves |
| 18:05 | oleonard | DND is Do Not Disturb |
| 18:05 | DND is also Dungeons 'n' Dragons | |
| 18:05 | wahanui | okay, oleonard. |
| 18:05 | cait | i was thinking about the second one :) |
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| 18:09 | cait | hey drojf |
| 18:09 | drojf | hi cait |
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| 18:13 | druthb | cait! drojf! |
| 18:13 | drojf | druthb! |
| 18:13 | cait | druthb! |
| 18:13 | drojf | lol |
| 18:13 | cait | hehe |
| 18:13 | druthb | :D |
| 18:13 | * druthb | shares cookies, and fruit-and-nut bars. |
| 18:14 | drojf | cookies! |
| 18:14 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 18:16 | cait | cookies :) |
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| 18:29 | oleonard | Hi Lee_in_Butte! |
| 18:30 | Lee_in_Butte | hey there |
| 18:31 | just checking to be sure this irc link still works....on my end. I wanna catch the meeting today | |
| 18:31 | oleonard | meeting? |
| 18:31 | mtompset | Meeting? |
| 18:31 | You owe me a coke. ;) | |
| 18:32 | oleonard | Didn't say jinx! Jinx! |
| 18:32 | You owe *me* a coke! | |
| 18:32 | mtompset | What?! That's not the rules. |
| 18:32 | Lee_in_Butte | LOL sorry its on the 28th |
| 18:32 | not the 21 | |
| 18:32 | duh | |
| 18:32 | oleonard | It's okay Lee_in_Butte, just hang out til then. |
| 18:32 | mtompset | Still good to know the IRC link is working. :) |
| 18:33 | * magnuse | waves to Lee_in_Butte |
| 18:33 | Lee_in_Butte | yeah... nothing else I rather do than hang with you O |
| 18:33 | jcamins | There's a meeting on the 28th? |
| 18:34 | oleonard | KohaCon meeting jcamins |
| 18:34 | Lee_in_Butte | There will be an IRC meeting on Wednesday August 28 to update everyone on the KohaCon 13 progress. Meeting time is 18 UTC. |
| 18:34 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Is this good code? Why not use GetMarcFromKohaField in C4::Biblio?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/179 |
| 18:34 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:34 | Lee_in_Butte | posted on the listserv by nancy Keener |
| 18:35 | jcamins | mtompset: at a guess because it doesn't map to a Koha field. |
| 18:35 | magnuse | Lee_in_Butte: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]a-while-pops-back |
| 18:36 | mtompset | So, the 856$u field gets put into the MARCXML field or something? |
| 18:37 | jcamins | That is true of most fields, so, based on that snippet, I'm speculating that is true of the 856$u too, yes. |
| 18:37 | mtompset | okay. Then I guess hard coding is the way to do it. :) |
| 18:45 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 18:45 | Project Koha_master build #1382: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1382/ | |
| 18:45 | Galen Charlton: Bug 10761: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 | |
| 18:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10761 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , UT: saved_report and delete_report in C4::Reports::Report_Guided.pm need unit tests. |
| 18:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1383 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 18:59 | magnuse | confetti! |
| 18:59 | wahanui | confetti is, like, http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 19:00 | magnuse | @confetti! |
| 19:00 | huginn` | magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 19:02 | cait | :) |
| 19:02 | i have heard there is gbsd this friday? :) | |
| 19:02 | confetti! | |
| 19:02 | wahanui | confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 19:05 | jcamins | My new favorite LCSH classification: "general special." |
| 19:06 | Rather, LC classification. | |
| 19:06 | Because real people will *totally* understand that. | |
| 19:08 | drojf | confetti? |
| 19:08 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 19:08 | drojf | more confetti? |
| 19:08 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
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| 19:08 | drojf | @later tell eythian test |
| 19:08 | huginn` | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:08 | drojf | unfair |
| 19:09 | bad wahanui, no cookie | |
| 19:10 | mtompset | general special?! Isn't that like saying stupid smart? |
| 19:11 | Or flying purple people eater without punctuation? | |
| 19:11 | jcamins | No, more like stupid stupid. |
| 19:12 | Ba dum pssshhh. | |
| 19:12 | :P | |
| 19:16 | * cait | wonders where to put a page for a qa team irc meeting in the wiki |
| 19:17 | drojf | "QA_IRC_meeting_<date>" as opposed to "General_IRC_meeting_<date>"? |
| 19:18 | cait | hm |
| 19:18 | mediawiki still puzzles me | |
| 19:18 | drojf | because it is too easy to use? :) |
| 19:18 | jcamins | drojf: are we talking about the same wiki? |
| 19:20 | drojf | is it not? maybe i did not try the fun stuff |
| 19:20 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen cait drojf. |
| 19:23 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 19:23 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_22_August_2013 | |
| 19:24 | oleonard | So what if I redesigned the OPAC place hold screen? Rough: http://www.screencast.com/t/8w3MrwoYGKHp |
| 19:24 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 19:25 | cait | hm placing holds for multiple items from the result list? |
| 19:25 | mtompset | Is there a before shot? |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | oleonard: looks OK, but the checkboxes seem to be free-floating; I think they should preceed the title |
| 19:26 | * mtompset | nods in agreement with gmcharlt. |
| 19:26 | oleonard | gmcharlt: Sure, I just wanted to float the general idea |
| 19:26 | cait | oleonard: i wonde about the edit notes link a bit |
| 19:26 | jcamins | I like the idea, but I think the Edit notes link might be confusing. |
| 19:26 | oleonard | Okay, but the VERY GENERAL IDEA people are okay with? |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 19:26 | oleonard | :) |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 19:27 | nitpicker | but... but... but... |
| 19:27 | mtompset | cait? Is it a yes or no? |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 19:27 | mtompset | one more yes and he goes to hollywood. ;) |
| 19:28 | cait | oleonard: i am undecided :( |
| 19:28 | i have no idea how it looks now actually | |
| 19:28 | mtompset | I did ask about a before shot. ;) |
| 19:29 | oleonard | Geez don't you guys ever place holds from the OPAC? :P |
| 19:30 | mtompset | Nope. :P |
| 19:30 | oleonard | http://www.screencast.com/t/t7jeyWMOxi |
| 19:31 | cait | only from one record |
| 19:31 | after the other | |
| 19:31 | mtompset | Hmmm... you lost the title "Place on" related to the radio buttons. |
| 19:31 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:32 | heading home to do some rmaint tasks | |
| 19:32 | cait | oleonard: i think i like yours better :) |
| 19:32 | oleonard | Okay, I will keep tinkering with it... tomorrow. |
| 19:32 | cait | with a bit more styling :) |
| 19:32 | oleonard | Now I will leave. |
| 19:32 | mtompset | Bye, tcohen. |
| 19:32 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 19:33 | mtompset | I think your rough draft is an impro--vement. |
| 19:33 | cait | bgkriegel++ # being an awesome German translator! |
| 19:45 | maximep | man, http://kohadevreactions.tumblr.com/ is the best thing ever -_- |
| 19:46 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 19:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1383: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1383/ |
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| 20:04 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:04 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.6°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:05 | druthb | nice and pleasant in Germany! |
| 20:05 | cait | heh |
| 20:05 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 20:05 | cait | you mean not super hot? |
| 20:05 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 34.7°C (3:05 PM CDT on August 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:06 | rangi | morning |
| 20:06 | * cait | suggests that all koha people move to Konstanz |
| 20:06 | cait | morning rangi :) |
| 20:06 | druthb | suits me, cait. |
| 20:06 | rangi | are there any RDA proponents there? |
| 20:06 | druthb | lol |
| 20:06 | rangi | cos they are still arguing with me on twitter |
| 20:06 | druthb | wahanui: RDA? |
| 20:06 | * wahanui | huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing |
| 20:06 | druthb | lol |
| 20:07 | jcamins | rangi: really? |
| 20:07 | wahanui | really is off now |
| 20:07 | rangi | yup |
| 20:07 | jcamins | Who argues that RDA isn't crap? |
| 20:07 | rangi | https://twitter.com/DebsLunch/[…]70234771286147073 |
| 20:07 | jcamins | Unless you're arguing that, in which case, OH MY GOD SOMEONE KIDNAPPED RANGI AND REPLACED HIM WITH AN ALIEN! |
| 20:08 | druthb | lulz |
| 20:08 | wahanui: botsnack RDA proponents. | |
| 20:08 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 20:09 | rangi | i understand RDA could potentially be good ... im just saying that at the moment it isnt :) |
| 20:09 | but i seem unabel to make that point | |
| 20:12 | drojf | and good morning rdangi ;) |
| 20:18 | rangi | right time to go to school |
| 20:23 | mtompset | 3.4? |
| 20:23 | wahanui | 3.4 is, like, Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011 |
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| 20:34 | wizzyrea | rangi++ for fighting the good fight with librarians re: RDA |
| 20:35 | cait | doens't he always? :) |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | mtompsett++ |
| 20:36 | for good advice on the mailing list | |
| 20:36 | drojf | mtompset++ |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | mtompset++ even |
| 20:37 | mtompset | I didn't spend hours on end to write bad instructions, only to have someone confuse the masses. :) |
| 20:38 | plus, my tarball instructions are better, but I didn't link to them. ;) | |
| 20:38 | drojf | "webapp" is a funny word for an ILS |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | ...perhaps we should use them in install.ubuntu or install.debian instead of what's there? |
| 20:39 | just sayin. | |
| 20:39 | mtompset | We have an earlier variation of my tarball instructions in the install.ubuntu type files. |
| 20:39 | I'm hoping to generalize to "source based install". | |
| 20:40 | and then clean up the excessive ubuntu install instruction files. | |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | mmm yea wouldn't generalise |
| 20:40 | mtompset | but I haven't gotten to it yet. |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | often that gets really confusing for people. |
| 20:40 | mtompset | wizzyrea: You are in the minority opinion on that. |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | it's not confusing for people who know what they're doing already |
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| 20:41 | mtompset | I understand where you are coming from, and would love a INSTALL.ubuntu.git and INSTALL.ubuntu.tar, but the fact is, it isn't about the tar or git... it is about the dev, standard, or single. |
| 20:41 | you can do a standard install from a git directory. | |
| 20:42 | you can do a dev install from a tarball. | |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | right - just don't generalise away from distro specific instructions. |
| 20:42 | you said generalise and I heard "instructions for everybody in one monolith" | |
| 20:42 | mtompset | oh no... it would be ubuntu specific. |
| 20:43 | I would generalize away the git vs. tarball. | |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | reorganize so that we have INSTALL & INSTALL.special, perhaps? |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | speaking of trivial changes, I promised a humans. txt |
| 20:43 | cait | humans.txt? |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Speaking of humans.txt, Myshkin feels discriminated against. |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | kek. |
| 20:44 | mtompset | gmcharlt: INSTALL.{OS}.{dev|standard|single}? |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | when myshkin submits a patch, I'll add felines.txt |
| 20:44 | ;) | |
| 20:44 | ibeardslee | humans.txt = "Ask a non-human sysadmin to read the INSTALL.TXT" ? |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | no |
| 20:45 | * mtompset | is going to pick up his son from daycare. |
| 20:45 | gmcharlt | mtompset: too much, IMO -- at least at the top level |
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| 20:45 | * jcamins | thinks that single should probably be abolished. |
| 20:45 | gmcharlt | why I'm spitballing is having the top-level install docs be few(er) in number, and focus on the most common, recommended scenarios |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 20:46 | jcamins | The argument for it was that "it'll work on shared hosting," but that is absolutely not the case anymore. |
| 20:46 | tcohen | lets make standard == packages |
| 20:46 | jcamins | +1 |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | and relegate some of the more obscure scenarios down in docs/ |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | so much this. |
| 20:48 | ibeardslee: http://humanstxt.org/ | |
| 20:48 | tcohen | i forgot my own work on putting memcache stuff in apache conf :/ |
| 20:49 | ibeardslee | wizzyrea: ahh .. good idea |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | we already have a history file, I think, why not use that for humans.txt? |
| 20:50 | that way every koha has one ;) | |
| 20:50 | gmcharlt | http://opac.zadi.librarypolice.com/feline.txt |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 20:50 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:51 | cait | lol |
| 20:51 | * cait | sends greetings to myshkin |
| 20:51 | cait | jcamins: are you still visiting the blue cat? |
| 20:52 | jcamins | cait: not recently. |
| 20:52 | cait | ooh |
| 20:52 | tcohen | smurf cat? |
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| 20:53 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 20:53 | No, this cat was just blue. | |
| 20:54 | tcohen | that's possimpible |
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| 21:13 | jcamins | I have 5 tomatoes, 3 cucumbers, 2 tiny bulbs of fennel, and 2 green peppers. |
| 21:13 | What should we have for dinner? | |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | mediterranean salad |
| 21:14 | tcohen | what is using C4/SQLHelper.pm ? everything? |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | i seem to recall it had something to do with the borrower search |
| 21:14 | gmcharlt | tcohen: some bits here and there, including patron search |
| 21:15 | jcamins | Nearly everything. |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | snap! |
| 21:15 | gmcharlt | but something that can go away once DBIC is in |
| 21:15 | cait | jcamins: sounds like salad yes |
| 21:15 | tcohen | so, memcached config variables are needed in both apache and koha-conf.xml |
| 21:15 | cait | jcamins: or antipasti |
| 21:15 | jcamins | tcohen: just in Apache at the moment, I think. |
| 21:16 | Though it should be changed so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml, now that it's possible to cache koha-conf even with the settings there. | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | I changed the wording slightly here to yet more strongly suggest packages |
| 21:16 | http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ | |
| 21:16 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 21:18 | rangi | back |
| 21:19 | cait | wb |
| 21:19 | tcohen | my memcached for packages patch is wrong then, it relies on koha-conf.xml, which is wrong |
| 21:19 | jcamins | tcohen: I did not look at it. |
| 21:20 | tcohen | jcamisn: changing "so that it can be done in koha-conf.xml" means rewrite some stuff, right? |
| 21:21 | it looks like SQLHelper needs those settings on koha-conf.xml, and the rest uses ENV | |
| 21:21 | C4/SQLHelper.pm: my $servers = C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'); | |
| 21:21 | jcamins | It means looking at C4::Context->config('memcached_servers'). |
| 21:21 | Oh, lovely. | |
| 21:21 | rangi | tcohen: no yours is right, memcache settigns in the httpd conf are wrong :) (imho) |
| 21:22 | jcamins | rangi: well, sure, but the settings should do something. |
| 21:22 | tcohen | hi rangi, yes, but currently the code looks for them in apache |
| 21:22 | rangi | yep |
| 21:22 | i remember having a spaz when that was changed and losing that fight | |
| 21:23 | tcohen | as i see it, this intermediate state is a problem |
| 21:23 | rangi | but yeah in my spare time someday, mayble ill change the apache config to look at the koha-conf.xml and set its variables |
| 21:24 | * gmcharlt | apropos of nothign at all, whistles the bug 10503 tune |
| 21:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10503 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , incorrect initialization parameters passed to Memoize::Memcached |
| 21:24 | rangi | :) |
| 21:24 | tcohen | i'm pretty sure people have mixed settings all over the place, thinking they have a functional memcached setup |
| 21:24 | * cait | gave up on trying to set it up |
| 21:24 | gmcharlt | (along the lines of regardless of how the settings are passed, it helps if the current cache is actually fully used ;) ) |
| 21:24 | * jcamins | thinks that memcached is mostly unusable anyway thanks to our use of memoize_memcached. |
| 21:25 | rangi | unfortunately yes, and we should remove those |
| 21:25 | and do caching proplery | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Fortunately we have a cache module that could do that. |
| 21:25 | rangi | exactly |
| 21:26 | we are 80% of the way to sane caching :) | |
| 21:26 | jcamins | And we even have a shim cache *object* for those people who don't want to actually think about caching. |
| 21:26 | Wait... | |
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| 21:26 | jcamins | did I push that? |
| 21:26 | Maybe we don't. | |
| 21:26 | Well, at the very least, there's an example of a shim object somewhere in bugzilla. | |
| 21:26 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, I did push it. |
| 21:27 | So, those of you who have been thinking "I'd use caching if only I didn't have to call set and get myself, you're in luck. | |
| 21:27 | rangi | :) |
| 21:27 | maybe thats a good hackfest task | |
| 21:27 | remove all traces of memoize | |
| 21:27 | and replace with saner caching | |
| 21:28 | we could even unit test it ... shock horror!! | |
| 21:28 | :) | |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | rangi: as long as the replacement actually gets done, as opposed to the current incomplete state? |
| 21:28 | just a thought | |
| 21:28 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:28 | jcamins | I wrote a patch that changed the sysprefs, but it didn't work on Squeeze, so I reverted it. |
| 21:28 | Arguably I should've fixed it, but as patch author and RM, no one had any opportunity to try and make me. | |
| 21:29 | rangi | heh |
| 21:29 | the sysprefs have/had bigger problems | |
| 21:29 | they were doing in perl caching too | |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | jcamins: cachhing sysprefs have always struck me as potentially the least bang for the buck -- mostly on account of the fact that MySQL does caching too |
| 21:29 | rangi | which was yuck |
| 21:29 | tcohen | how long ago was memoize introduced? |
| 21:30 | rangi | a while, only recently was it fixed to actually ever expire |
| 21:30 | jcamins | gmcharlt: caching sysprefs is an expensive and wasteful operation. |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | '09 |
| 21:30 | jcamins | It was a horrible idea. |
| 21:30 | But, some people are *very attached* to it. | |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | you're telling me! |
| 21:30 | rangi | caching the output of heavy functions |
| 21:30 | thats what we should be doing, not the result of sql queries | |
| 21:31 | mysql can do them faster than we can fetch and deserialize | |
| 21:31 | jcamins | I had to scream and shout in order to get my patch that makes it possible to disable the syspref cache in. |
| 21:31 | tcohen | paul's tests concluded caching sysprefs was not worth the trouble, yes |
| 21:31 | gmcharlt | speaking of config |
| 21:31 | rangi | im sure ive ranted about caching before too |
| 21:31 | that it isnt for speed (at least not the first goal) but for scalability | |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | how badly would folks be terried at the prospect of koha-conf.xml => zebra-conf.xml + //yazgfs/config from the old koha-conf.xml turning into a simpler text file |
| 21:32 | rangi | but even with that in mind, youd struggle to ever reach the point where you overloaded the db with syspref queries |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt | in particular, as a possible target for 3.14 |
| 21:32 | rangi | gmcharlt: id be fine with it, because its something that is provable |
| 21:33 | ie you can test it works easily | |
| 21:33 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, but with sysprefs, that doesn't even apply, because scalability is only a reasonable argument if you're preloading, and it takes days to make up for the expense, especially with Apache. |
| 21:33 | rangi | jcamins: exactly, apache will asplode well before mysql |
| 21:33 | jcamins | If you're worried about syspref queries, reduce the number of times you query the same syspref. |
| 21:33 | rangi | caching the rendered html snippets |
| 21:34 | and the output of things like the getlanguages | |
| 21:34 | makes sense to me | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | and the MARC frameworks, which are indeed expensive to recalculate |
| 21:34 | rangi | yep |
| 21:35 | i made the first one really easy too | |
| 21:35 | with the TT plugin | |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | rendered XSLT output |
| 21:36 | rangi | yep |
| 21:36 | jcamins | The next page of search results. |
| 21:36 | rangi | http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]Plugin/Cache.html |
| 21:36 | jcamins | 20ms response time on search results *rocks*. |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | jcamins: not for the coffee producers of the world! |
| 21:37 | rangi | you could totally make the search results an include (including the rendered xslt) |
| 21:37 | * jcamins | should know, he's spent the last half hour going back and forth in search results admiring the speed and responsiveness. |
| 21:37 | jcamins | Okay, doing other things too. |
| 21:37 | rangi | :) |
| 21:37 | jcamins | But it's hard to resist just paginating back and forth. |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | ^ not koha eh? |
| 21:38 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:38 | No. | |
| 21:38 | I just added redis to Biblionarrator. | |
| 21:39 | gmcharlt | jcamins: which reminds me of a thought that's been wandering all alone through my mind -- redis is arguably a better session store than memcached |
| 21:39 | jcamins | I don't entirely understand the difference between the two, but redis is pretty impressive. |
| 21:40 | rangi | redis can write to disk |
| 21:40 | so for sessions, yes | |
| 21:40 | jcamins | I chose redis because I was told "you should be using redis." |
| 21:40 | rangi | another reason for memoize_memcached to die |
| 21:43 | the Koha::Cache can do Memcached, FastMmap and Memory now, and could put Redis in there without much effort too | |
| 21:43 | jcamins | Easily. |
| 21:43 | gmcharlt | OK, so are there any patches pending to completely drop direct memcached access? |
| 21:44 | jcamins | There is the patch I abandoned. |
| 21:44 | Bug 8089 | |
| 21:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 21:44 | rangi | oh yeah |
| 21:45 | yep thats part of it, killing the sysprefs | |
| 21:45 | follow up would be the memoize_memcached | |
| 21:45 | * rangi | has a quick play with the patch |
| 21:46 | rangi | can you remember what the problem with squeeze was? |
| 21:46 | jcamins | I couldn't figure out why it was failing, actually. |
| 21:46 | rangi | ohh its applies clean still |
| 21:46 | jcamins | The tests passed for me, but not on jenkins, or on a second Squeeze VM I tried them on, and it was late, so I reverted. |
| 21:47 | Both late in terms of release cycle, and late in terms of I was probably tired because the problem appeared at 10pm. | |
| 21:47 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:47 | they work on my ubuntu, ill have to test on squeeze too | |
| 21:48 | jcamins | I think my theory is that we may have been running afoul of the fact that the regular memcached library for Perl is BROKEN. |
| 21:48 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:49 | and we have since switched to Fast eh? | |
| 21:49 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 21:49 | rangi | well they seem to pass for me, i wonder if its worth pushing it up to jenkins and seeing if he still hates it |
| 21:49 | jcamins | Well... it falls back if there's no other option. But I think my thought was that the failures might have been because on Squeeze memcached::fast doesn't work. |
| 21:49 | * rangi | defers to gmcharlt |
| 21:50 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I'll take a look at it |
| 21:51 | jcamins | Wait... |
| 21:51 | I'm a little confused. | |
| 21:51 | Hm. | |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | hmm, wait |
| 21:51 | jcamins | Where are we using memoize? |
| 21:51 | rangi | C4/Languages |
| 21:51 | we used to anyway | |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | any pending patches that do more than just the syspref cache? |
| 21:52 | jcamins | I wrote a patch that did. |
| 21:52 | gmcharlt | jcamins: also C4/Biblio.pm |
| 21:52 | jcamins | And I have no idea where it is. |
| 21:52 | rangi | C4::Koha |
| 21:52 | gmcharlt | git-fetch jcamins-brain |
| 21:52 | rangi | and C4::SQLHelper |
| 21:52 | so 4 modules | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | Yeah, I remember patching those. We ran into problems on C4::SQLHelper, but fixed them. |
| 21:53 | gmcharlt | or heck, just read the first comment in bug 8089 for the list :) |
| 21:53 | rangi | 7 subroutines |
| 21:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8089 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Use Koha::Cache everywhere |
| 21:53 | rangi | in total |
| 21:53 | 6 using memoize_memcached | |
| 21:53 | and one using plain old memoize | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | gmcharlt: yeah, that's my report. |
| 21:53 | Oh, patch included. | |
| 21:54 | rangi | brb coffee |
| 21:54 | jcamins | Ohhh. I see. |
| 21:54 | We decided to revert it because dpavlin said he was working on a better patch. | |
| 21:54 | gmcharlt | yeah, what was the diposition of http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=9577 ? |
| 21:55 | snap | |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Sadly, the better patch never materialized. |
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| 21:59 | gmcharlt | jcamins: my inclination is to unobsolute attachment 11400, write some test cases, and have another go |
| 21:59 | huginn` | 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]11400&action=edit patch, Bug 8089: Use Koha::Cache for all caching, Bug-8089-Use-KohaCache-for-all-caching.patch |
| 22:00 | rangi | im down with that |
| 22:00 | jcamins | Sounds good to me. |
| 22:01 | cait | :) |
| 22:01 | jcamins | Darn. I should've started cooking wheatberries an hour ago. |
| 22:01 | cait | i had problems with setting up caching in thepast - for testing i will need some help when you are done :) |
| 22:01 | but for now i go to sleep :) | |
| 22:01 | good night all | |
| 22:01 | rangi | mtompset++ |
| 22:02 | gmcharlt | g'night! |
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| 22:23 | tcohen | how many members does the koha list have? |
| 22:23 | we've just reached 409 in the koha-es list | |
| 22:27 | rangi | bug 10411 |
| 22:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config |
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| 22:28 | tcohen | any problem with that rangi? |
| 22:28 | mtompset | *sigh* Just when I thought I had something done, I realized that a missing piece is probably hiding in one of the 56 obsolete'd patches. ARG! |
| 22:29 | rangi | nope |
| 22:29 | just that + varnish | |
| 22:29 | = really fast | |
| 22:29 | without doign anything | |
| 22:29 | jcamins | And varnish is a lot faster than nginx? |
| 22:29 | rangi | probably about the same |
| 22:30 | but varnish is a cache | |
| 22:59 | maximep | dont you have to do a lot of configuration in varnish to make it useful, ie to be used for anything with sessions ? |
| 23:02 | rangi | by default it speeds up everything where people arent logged in |
| 23:02 | maximep | our sysadmins do magic with it, but not sure I understand it yet -_- |
| 23:02 | rangi | which is 90% of the opac |
| 23:02 | maximep | ok |
| 23:02 | rangi | but yes, you cna do magic with sessions/cookies too |
| 23:02 | to get the staff side fast | |
| 23:02 | maximep | didn't notice much speed diff vs nginx |
| 23:02 | rangi | yeah it wouldnt vs nginx |
| 23:02 | it would be a ton faster vs apache tho | |
| 23:03 | maximep | but what isn't :P |
| 23:04 | anyway gtg... noting to ask sysadmins about it tomorrow to learn more =) | |
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| 23:10 | tcohen | is there a benchmark for apache + mod_itk? |
| 23:10 | the event module should not be that slower that nginx/lighttpd | |
| 23:11 | rangi | nginx is seriously fast |
| 23:11 | apache2 is way way way behind | |
| 23:12 | it also does a ton more too | |
| 23:12 | http://www.theorganicagency.co[…]mance-comparison/ is quite interesting | |
| 23:16 | tcohen | this is the main problem: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html |
| 23:17 | rangi | yep |
| 23:17 | the main win for me with nginx, is the much lower memory footprint | |
| 23:17 | i OOM my testing box before i OOM the nginx server | |
| 23:17 | i can overwhelm apache with 100 concurrent requests | |
| 23:18 | it just hits swap, and we are dead in the water | |
| 23:18 | tcohen | heh, been there |
| 23:19 | we ended up putting an haproxy in front of our apache's | |
| 23:19 | and load balancing | |
| 23:20 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:20 | tcohen | (just because our sysadmins don't want to try an event-based http server) |
| 23:21 | rangi | ahh right |
| 23:21 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:21 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/ has varnish and nginx |
| 23:21 | in front of apache | |
| 23:22 | tcohen | several hosts? |
| 23:23 | rangi | yep |
| 23:23 | lots | |
| 23:23 | mtompset | is there a nice way to change the default repository one is using? |
| 23:24 | tcohen | found jcamins' blue cat http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st[…]k-on-planet-Earth |
| 23:24 | %s/old_one/new_one/g | |
| 23:24 | mtompset | and where is a list? |
| 23:24 | * dcook | is so lost at the moment |
| 23:24 | mtompset | I was hoping for a command line type of command. |
| 23:24 | rangi | what do you mean default repository? |
| 23:25 | do you mean git remote? | |
| 23:25 | mtompset | sudo apt-get update... |
| 23:25 | rangi | there is no such thing as a default in that case |
| 23:25 | mtompset | well, you select it on install. |
| 23:25 | rangi | its wahtever you have in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:25 | and whatever is in /etc/apt/sources.lists.d/ | |
| 23:25 | wahanui | Hmm. No matches for that, rangi. |
| 23:25 | mtompset | is there a way to re-select it? |
| 23:26 | rangi | edit those files |
| 23:26 | tcohen | a perl oneliner maybe? |
| 23:26 | mtompset | Well, where do I get a list of possibilities? |
| 23:26 | wizzyrea | what's the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 23:26 | rangi | there are as many possibilites as there are grains of sand |
| 23:27 | tcohen | perl -i -pe 's/ca.ubuntu/ar.ubuntu/g' /etc/apt/suorces.list :-P |
| 23:27 | repository for what mtompset ? Debian? Ubuntu? | |
| 23:28 | mtompset | debian, actually. :) |
| 23:28 | rangi | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 23:29 | jcamins | What are you trying to do? |
| 23:29 | mtompset | Fix my networking. I just rebooted the VM, all is good. Don't know why though. |
| 23:29 | I blame virtualbox. :) | |
| 23:30 | tcohen | ksplice is free for Ubuntu? gotta give it a try |
| 23:31 | dcook | tcohen: Sounds interesting |
| 23:32 | rangi | oracle own it now |
| 23:32 | they'll wreck it | |
| 23:32 | its what they do | |
| 23:33 | dcook | Own all the things! |
| 23:33 | rangi | and wreck them all! |
| 23:34 | tcohen | hehe |
| 23:34 | rangi | i tel you what is cool tho |
| 23:34 | openshift | |
| 23:35 | https://www.openshift.com/ | |
| 23:35 | + dancer | |
| 23:35 | check this out | |
| 23:35 | wizzyrea | hmmm |
| 23:36 | dcook | dancer sounds familiar.. |
| 23:36 | rangi | it runs the dashboard |
| 23:37 | and other stuff | |
| 23:37 | wahanui | other stuff is, like, cool too |
| 23:37 | dcook | I was thinking it might be the dashboard..hmm |
| 23:37 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 23:37 | what is OpenShift? | |
| 23:37 | rangi | redhats PAAS |
| 23:37 | jcamins | Another one of those deploy-via-git development services? |
| 23:37 | wizzyrea | oh that *is* interesting |
| 23:37 | rangi | platform as a server |
| 23:37 | service even | |
| 23:37 | jcamins | There are a bunch of services like that, aren't there? |
| 23:37 | rangi | yep |
| 23:37 | openshift has about the best perl support | |
| 23:38 | heroku is ok too | |
| 23:38 | jcamins | Yeah, I've heard of heroku a lot. |
| 23:38 | rangi | openshift also does this |
| 23:38 | wizzyrea | and you can run your own? am I reading that right? |
| 23:39 | jcamins | Microsoft has one on Windows Azure. I don't think I could recommend it. |
| 23:39 | tcohen | its RedHat's OpenStack product |
| 23:39 | wizzyrea | I am seriously envious of their documentation site: http://openshift.github.io/documentation/ |
| 23:39 | rangi | http://paste.koha-community.org/180 |
| 23:40 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 23:40 | rangi | ie it runs it through jenkins, if it fails, it wont deploy |
| 23:40 | handy | |
| 23:41 | tcohen | is it the answer to Juju? (or vice-versa) |
| 23:42 | dcook | Whoa...if I'm reading this right...they have a free version and a premium version? |
| 23:42 | So I could sign up for the free version and just putz around a bit? | |
| 23:42 | rangi | thats what im doing |
| 23:43 | dcook | Sweeet |
| 23:43 | rangi | you get 3 applications |
| 23:43 | its great for testing/showing something | |
| 23:47 | dcook | Hmm, I might have to keep that in mind |
| 23:47 | mtompset | Question: Koha is GPL 3, right? |
| 23:48 | rangi | from 3.12 yeah 3+ |
| 23:48 | was 2+ before that (so its all 3 as well if you want) | |
| 23:48 | mtompset | What if someone writes a modules releasing it under GPL 2 or later for Koha. |
| 23:48 | Do they need to change it to 3 or later? | |
| 23:49 | rangi | if its 2 or later |
| 23:49 | when its bundled with koha it becomes 3 or later | |
| 23:49 | otherwise its still 2 or later | |
| 23:49 | if its 2 | |
| 23:49 | without the or later | |
| 23:49 | it cant be released with koha | |
| 23:49 | unless it is changed | |
| 23:50 | mtompset | bug 6874 -- the author has code which is 2 or later. |
| 23:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 23:51 | mtompset | I'm trying to back port to 3.12.x, so I can use the functionality before 3.14 (if it makes it in). |
| 23:51 | rangi | they probably just copied and pasted from an old file |
| 23:51 | jcamins | Nah, that code predates 3+. |
| 23:52 | mtompset | Yes, it does. |
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