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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | tcohen | bye #koha, gotta cook tonight |
| 00:03 | dcook | mmm food |
| 00:03 | Right, openshift.. | |
| 00:08 | mtompset | where in the .git/config file do I put the alias suggested by http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on#Signing_off_2? |
| 00:08 | in the [core] section? | |
| 00:08 | jcamins | https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Aliases |
| 00:09 | mtompset | Ah, add an [alias] section. |
| 00:10 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 00:10 | * dcook | wonders if he has done this |
| 00:10 | dcook | I must've as my sign offs include my name/email.. |
| 00:11 | Hmm, not noticing it.. | |
| 00:11 | Oh...durrr | |
| 00:11 | nevermind | |
| 00:11 | Pays to read the whole page.. | |
| 00:53 | janPasi joined #koha | |
| 01:41 | mtompset | I'm calling it a day. Have a great day, #koha. |
| 04:03 | mtj | peeps, could i get some advice about which caching method to use for Koha? |
| 04:03 | is the memoize stuff the preference? | |
| 04:05 | i have my 'carousel' feature using a hardcoded '127.0.0.1' memcached server | |
| 04:05 | but before i submit the patch, i need to fix this | |
| 04:06 | wizzyrea | mtj you missed a most epic discussion of this from earlier |
| 04:06 | you might want to catch the log | |
| 04:06 | from about... 8-10 this morning | |
| 04:06 | mtj | yeah, i spotted it wiz |
| 04:06 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 04:06 | mtj | which was very topical for me :) |
| 04:07 | wizzyrea | what's the feature do? |
| 04:08 | mtj | -> demo.calyx.net.au |
| 04:09 | ...it displays 'recently added' items to the OPAC | |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea | pretty :) |
| 04:09 | dcook | mtj++ |
| 04:09 | mtj | its queries OpenLibrary for each ISBN and stored the success/fail in memcached |
| 04:10 | so, 1st load takes 30 seconds.. :/ | |
| 04:10 | but 2nd load takes 0.05 seconds :) | |
| 04:12 | wizzyrea | neat! |
| 04:14 | there are about a zillion of these fancy things out now | |
| 04:14 | mtj | yeah, would be nice to give Koha a working default one |
| 04:15 | dcook | True that |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | it'd have to be a super flexible one :/ |
| 04:16 | can you imagine - "I want two rows of three, auto moving after 10 seconds, that stops when I hover" | |
| 04:16 | vs "I want a slick 3D interface that ... " etc etc etc | |
| 04:17 | so either it will be really flexible, or it will be easily replaceable | |
| 04:17 | * wizzyrea | is not really naysaying |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | it sounds like it but i'm not |
| 04:17 | dcook | Just...realistic |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | it's just... people have crazy ideas about thsi stuff |
| 04:18 | mtj | naw…. just a feature that can be disabled ;) |
| 04:19 | problemo solved | |
| 04:21 | so, i think im looking for good examples of Koha::Cache stuff now | |
| 04:24 | dcook | On a completely unrelated note, I wonder if we handle the "Deleted" record status for position 5 of the Leader... |
| 04:24 | * dcook | has his doubts |
| 04:30 | mtj | heres a genuine Q - how do i enable 'Koha::Cache' to get 'prove -v ./t/Cache.t' to pass |
| 04:31 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "prove -v ./t/Cache.t" (39 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/181 |
| 04:32 | mtj | . |
| 04:32 | oops, i think i know | |
| 05:00 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:16 | dcook | hey ya cait :) |
| 05:16 | brb, lunchtime... | |
| 05:16 | cait | ok :) |
| 05:19 | dcook | back ^_^ |
| 05:19 | cait | hm seriously? |
| 05:19 | what was for lunch | |
| 05:19 | ? | |
| 05:20 | dcook | Well, I'm eating it presently |
| 05:20 | Just sandwiches | |
| 05:20 | I am tempted to read Akira...but want to keep working at the same time | |
| 05:20 | * dcook | made it to the library in time to grab the last 5 volumes of the manga :D |
| 05:20 | cait | heh |
| 05:20 | you shouldn't work and eat | |
| 05:20 | poeple keep telling me that | |
| 05:21 | dcook | They're probably right |
| 05:21 | I occasionally go to the park in the summer or the public library around the corner | |
| 05:22 | But...I'm a bit focussed | |
| 05:22 | Maybe too focussed.. | |
| 05:25 | Hmm | |
| 05:25 | Maybe you can answer me a question | |
| 05:26 | cait | maybe :) |
| 05:26 | dcook | With your union catalogue, does the "control_number" column in the "import_biblios" table get used? |
| 05:33 | I'm trying to figure out the matching for this OAI-PMH harvester | |
| 05:33 | At the moment, I'm just looking at "matched_biblio", but if control_number is useful too, I'll try to build that in | |
| 06:12 | cait | dcook: it's never filled no - not sure why it is not |
| 06:12 | dcook | cait: Thanks. |
| 06:13 | No idea. I just saw it in the DB so I thought I'd ask :) | |
| 06:13 | cait | i only recently discovered it existed :) |
| 06:13 | dcook | Same :) |
| 06:13 | cait | it would be useful sometimes for querying things faster |
| 06:13 | but it's not high on my priority list to fix | |
| 06:14 | dcook | I wonder if this will work in your context then.. |
| 06:14 | So you have your union catalogue | |
| 06:14 | It imports records from other sources | |
| 06:14 | Actually, the other sources don't matter so much | |
| 06:14 | In your union catalogue, do you use the 001 and the 999? | |
| 06:15 | cait | hm i think there is a misunderstanding :) |
| 06:15 | dcook | Could well be :) |
| 06:15 | cait | the union catalog is the main cataloguing platform |
| 06:15 | and we import from there into koha | |
| 06:15 | dcook | O_o |
| 06:15 | cait | guess that means there was one? |
| 06:16 | dcook | ? |
| 06:16 | * dcook | is using fewer and fewer characters apparently :p |
| 06:16 | cait | so the libraries first attach their holdings in the union catalog or create a new record there |
| 06:16 | then they use z39.50 or wait for the nightly import | |
| 06:16 | and it would be nice if the nightly import could be replaced with something like oai one day | |
| 06:17 | dcook | I hope I can help out with that :) |
| 06:17 | cait | maybe |
| 06:17 | dcook | So...the union catalog...what is it exactly? |
| 06:17 | What system? | |
| 06:17 | wahanui | system is running nothing else... |
| 06:17 | cait | in what terms? |
| 06:17 | the software name is PICA i think | |
| 06:17 | dcook | Is it another instance of Koha or is it a different ILS or a different piece of software all together |
| 06:17 | Mmm | |
| 06:18 | cait | i like koha, but koha couldn't really handle what the union catalog does |
| 06:18 | dcook | OCLC? |
| 06:18 | wahanui | OCLC is probably proof of how well *that* works. Bah. |
| 06:18 | cait | sec |
| 06:19 | dcook | "OCLC PICA software is used by the Netherlands union catalog, several German library consortia (including GBV, Hebis and SWB), the Australian national library, the French union catalog SUDOC and many other libraries. Sisis and Fretwell-Downing also have many notable customers in Germany, the UK and worldwide." |
| 06:21 | cait | well, not sure what you want to know really :) |
| 06:22 | dcook | I think I understand now :) |
| 06:22 | If I understand correctly, it's like a more localized version of Worldcat? | |
| 06:22 | cait | hm maybe |
| 06:22 | dcook | Or a union catalogue belonging to a cataloguing cooperative |
| 06:23 | * dcook | thought about creating a union catalogue for legal bibliographic records in Canada but ended up moving to Australia |
| 06:23 | cait | cooperative cataloguing and ILL are the main points i think |
| 06:23 | dcook | Then you import into Koha when you want a record for an item |
| 06:24 | cait | basically yes |
| 06:24 | dcook | In some cases, you'd copy catalogue, and in some cases you'd catalogue in PICA then download into Koha |
| 06:24 | Makes sense | |
| 06:24 | cait | or we import a packages of ebooks |
| 06:24 | dcook | When I was at the provincial library in Saskatchewan, they did that as well |
| 06:24 | cait | basically we update Koha every night |
| 06:24 | with the records that have been changed in the union catalog | |
| 06:24 | or added | |
| 06:24 | when you want to finish your catalouging it's easier to use z39.50 and download the record immediately of course | |
| 06:24 | dcook | Does your Koha have all the same records as the union catalogue? |
| 06:24 | cait | but at night the import will add the authorities to the system |
| 06:25 | and also provide a record that has been cleaned up a bit to better work in Koha | |
| 06:25 | all the records that the library has added holdings for | |
| 06:26 | we can only automatically grabthose, they can of course download other records too | |
| 06:26 | dcook | Hmm, if PICA includes all of your records in an OAI set...that could work |
| 06:27 | cait | i don't know if it can, we didn't investigate so far |
| 06:27 | dcook | Mmm, I see |
| 06:27 | cait | right now it works quite well as it is |
| 06:27 | dcook | Well, I'll keep it in the back of my mind |
| 06:27 | Sounds like it | |
| 06:27 | wahanui | Sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;) |
| 06:28 | dcook | Almost, wahanui |
| 06:28 | wahanui | dcook: what? |
| 06:28 | dcook | :( |
| 06:28 | How does the automatic grab happen? | |
| 06:28 | Z39.50 or a bulk export/import of MARC records? | |
| 06:28 | cait | we get the marc data from an ftp server |
| 06:29 | the records for each library get provided there by the union catalog every night | |
| 06:29 | and then we have scripts using the staged marc import tools | |
| 06:29 | dcook | Using the 001 as a matcher, I imagine? |
| 06:30 | I'm using some of the staged marc import tools. Just trying to figure out the best way of managing the replacement of records. | |
| 06:31 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:31 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 06:31 | * magnuse | will soon have to deal with a situation like that too |
| 06:31 | magnuse | hiya dcook and cait |
| 06:32 | cait | dcook: yes, using 001 |
| 06:32 | dcook | magnuse: Oh? |
| 06:33 | * dcook | almost wonders if he should've waited for someone smarter than himself to design a more elegant system :p |
| 06:33 | magnuse | don't wait for me, then :-) |
| 06:33 | dcook | cait: So when the record is in Koha, it has the same number in the 001 and the 999$c and 999$d? |
| 06:33 | magnuse: You're too modest :p | |
| 06:33 | cait | no |
| 06:33 | for marc21 we don't overwrite 001 with the bibnumber currently | |
| 06:33 | i think unimarc does, but not sure | |
| 06:34 | magnuse | Viktor wants a system like that, where records are fetched and imported into Koha, but he wants it to happen almost instantly, when there are records available |
| 06:34 | cait | we could also switch to 035 maybe, as the number is there too |
| 06:34 | dcook: we link records in hierarchies | |
| 06:34 | magnuse | the provider has been talking about pubsubhubbub, but i don't think that is in place yet |
| 06:34 | cait | dcook: in order to do that, 001 is used with $w subfields |
| 06:35 | if we put the biblionumber in 001.... it would break | |
| 06:35 | rangi | magnuse: so polling? or does the union catalogue have some kinda stream you can listen to? |
| 06:35 | magnuse | rangi: not sure about the details yet... |
| 06:35 | cait | evening rangi |
| 06:35 | rangi | i mean, it mostly has to happen on their end |
| 06:35 | magnuse | and evening rangi |
| 06:36 | rangi | because they have to have someway of us knowing new records exist |
| 06:36 | and then the rest is easy peasy | |
| 06:36 | evening | |
| 06:36 | magnuse | yeah, i think we will use a simpler solution until the provider/union catalogue has worked out the details for the fancy solution :-) |
| 06:36 | dcook | cait: I think I follow. I imagine that 001 must have an OCLC control number... |
| 06:37 | cait | we have our own |
| 06:37 | dcook | Interesting. I've wondered recently about the difference between a control number and a bib number are |
| 06:37 | cait | we also have oclc identifiers in our data tho - because we deliver data to oclc and then we add the identifiers to the records |
| 06:38 | but 001 has the PPN - pica production number I think | |
| 06:38 | dcook | Hmm, does Voyager use the 001 for the bib number.. |
| 06:39 | cait | so the internal record number from the union catalog |
| 06:39 | dcook | Right. |
| 06:41 | It seems like the 001 is one of those fields that gets treated differently by different libraries | |
| 06:41 | cait | that's probably true |
| 06:42 | marcelr joined #koha | |
| 06:42 | marcelr | good morning #koha |
| 06:43 | dcook | hey ya marcelr |
| 06:43 | cait: It looks like the authorities put their authority # in the 001 | |
| 06:43 | I think ideally Koha should probably put the bib number in the 001, but...*shrug* | |
| 06:44 | Reality and ideals aren't always the same thing | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | there's a bug for that |
| 06:44 | dcook | It shouldn't matter in my case anyway, as I'll just pass the biblionumber to the XSLT and let people choose which field they want to use.. |
| 06:44 | magnuse: Yeah? It seems like it would break the workflow for folks like cait and I'm sure others though :/ | |
| 06:44 | I suppose if you could turn it on/off... | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | bug 9921 |
| 06:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
| 06:45 | dcook | But that wouldn't necessarily work so well either |
| 06:45 | cait | it would indeed break our record linking |
| 06:45 | magnuse | yeah, it definitely needs a syspref that defaults to off |
| 06:45 | dcook | I guess if Koha used 999 internally still but put the bib number in the 001 as well.. |
| 06:45 | cait | and it would be really hard to fix that |
| 06:45 | dcook | For sure |
| 06:45 | rangi | im not sure why you would ever do that |
| 06:45 | dcook | I think I had someone recently ask for the 001 to have the bib number |
| 06:45 | rangi | it is a unique number |
| 06:46 | for use only by koha | |
| 06:46 | cait | rangi: hm do what? |
| 06:46 | wahanui | do is just a loop with the condition at the end |
| 06:46 | rangi | why do librarians have to break everything!! |
| 06:46 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:46 | rangi | humans should not see know or care about biblionumbers |
| 06:46 | just like itemnumbers | |
| 06:46 | dcook | True, but 001 is more standard than 999 |
| 06:46 | rangi | its unique to precisely your installation, and means nothing outside of koha |
| 06:46 | 999 is for localuse | |
| 06:46 | 001 isnt | |
| 06:47 | dcook | But if you're designing a system th at uses a record's ID |
| 06:47 | Actually, 001 should be | |
| 06:47 | rangi | the record id should be different to biblionumber |
| 06:47 | magnuse | the norwegian national library harvests records for a national meta-search, they in effect demand to find the biblionumber in 001 |
| 06:47 | dcook | "Contains the control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record." |
| 06:47 | rangi | exactly |
| 06:47 | not the software creating a row in a db table | |
| 06:48 | cait | well enforcing biblionumbr would be bad for us - so I am not for that :) and now i have to run! |
| 06:48 | cya all a little later | |
| 06:48 | dcook | ta ta cait |
| 06:48 | cait left #koha | |
| 06:48 | dcook | Hmm |
| 06:49 | Actually, you could argue that biblionumber isn't just used "internally" per se | |
| 06:49 | rangi | ie the control number should be purposefully assigned, not an accidentally assigned database primary key |
| 06:49 | dcook | As we put it in the URLs |
| 06:49 | You're probably right, rangi | |
| 06:49 | rangi | but it only makes sense for koha |
| 06:49 | dcook | But in that case, we should probably use record/control ids for access rather than primary keys |
| 06:49 | magnuse | i had to come up with this to comply with the nat lib demands: https://gist.github.com/MagnusEnger/1918264 |
| 06:49 | rangi | you cant give me a biblionumber and have it match the same record in my catalogue |
| 06:50 | it means exactly nothing, outside of your koha | |
| 06:50 | dcook | Mmm, I saw that, magnuse. |
| 06:50 | rangi: Your Koha isn't necessarily a silo though. | |
| 06:50 | It's the one unique identifier that people outside the system can use to find it | |
| 06:51 | magnuse | but do we have a scheme for globally unique identifiers to put in 001? |
| 06:51 | rdf/linked data solves so many problems... | |
| 06:51 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 06:51 | rangi | its only locally unique dcook |
| 06:51 | thats the problem | |
| 06:51 | dcook | True true |
| 06:51 | There really should be a scheme for globally unique identifiers | |
| 06:52 | marcelr | bug 9921 |
| 06:52 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, Needs Signoff , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
| 06:52 | marcelr | the title is not really good |
| 06:52 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:52 | magnuse | dcook: there is one: the URI |
| 06:53 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:53 | marcelr | hi reiveune |
| 06:53 | dcook | Right. Looking forward to the move to linked data/rdf |
| 06:53 | salut reiveune | |
| 06:53 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:53 | reiveune | salut marcelr, dcook, magnuse :) |
| 06:53 | dcook | rangi: To be honest, in the end, I only really care insofar as I'm able to meet the needs of my librarians |
| 06:54 | The one who asked me most recently probably is encountering a similar situation to magnuse | |
| 06:54 | rangi | yep, i care that your needs dont break others needs ;-) too much of that has happened in koha |
| 06:54 | dcook | Mmm, also true |
| 06:54 | marcelr | dcook: it should just be one way to fill 001 |
| 06:54 | dcook | marcelr: Agreed |
| 06:54 | marcelr | and leave room for other ways |
| 06:54 | * dcook | nods |
| 06:54 | dcook | Couldn't agree more :) |
| 06:55 | * dcook | has 6 minutes to figure out his other problem.. |
| 06:55 | dcook | The OAI-PMH unique identifiers seem all right |
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| 06:55 | dcook | Although matching them in Koha looks like a no go because of the colons |
| 06:55 | The current plan.. | |
| 06:56 | alex_a | salut |
| 06:56 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
| 06:57 | dcook | Use the OAI-PMH unique identifier to find if that record has been imported in the past...if it has and the incoming record has an updated datestamp...use the import_record_id of that record to look up the matched_biblionumber...and put that into the incoming record for matching the 999$c or 999$d |
| 06:57 | Roundabout...but it's the only idea I've got at this point | |
| 06:58 | Whew. Figured the problem out in 4 minutes.. | |
| 07:03 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:04 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 07:04 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:04 | wahanui | hi, gaetan_B |
| 07:04 | dcook | At some point, I probably should just post it on Bugzilla so people can tell me how Idea #3 and Idea #5 are completely ridiculous ;) |
| 07:05 | bonjour gaetan_B :) | |
| 07:05 | gaetan_B | bonjour :) |
| 07:05 | magnuse | yay for Bug 10775 |
| 07:05 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10775 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Create humans.txt from the history document |
| 07:06 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 07:06 | Great idea :) | |
| 07:09 | Ok, I should probably take off | |
| 07:09 | Got to the library in time last night btw | |
| 07:10 | Barely but got there ^_^ | |
| 07:11 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:11 | rangi | right, ive had it with bad instruction wiki guy |
| 07:11 | * rangi | volleys his serve back |
| 07:11 | * dcook | looks forward to reading rangi's response |
| 07:11 | magnuse | yay |
| 07:13 | dcook | All right. Must leave. Can't stay. Sort of want to stay. Must go! |
| 07:13 | Cheers everyone :) | |
| 07:13 | rangi | not too mean i hope |
| 07:13 | magnuse | ah, he made it out in time :-) |
| 07:14 | nope, very civil | |
| 07:16 | rangi | hmm not sure how the humans.txt would work |
| 07:16 | i think its supposed to be site specific? | |
| 07:16 | magnuse | i think for me, the main question is: why not contribute to the official wiki? having lots of half baked instructions all over the place is not good for anyone |
| 07:16 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:16 | marcelr | rangi: i must have missed more emails from the bad wiki guy? |
| 07:17 | rangi | there's a few in the last few days |
| 07:17 | magnuse | rangi: the way i understood it, it could just be ralted to the software that runs the site |
| 07:17 | rangi | magnuse: i totally should have made that point |
| 07:17 | magnuse: ahh ok, that makes more sense | |
| 07:17 | magnuse | s/ralted/related/ |
| 07:18 | marcelr | magnuse: is the idea then: create it from history.txt? |
| 07:18 | magnuse | marcelr: i think that is wizzyrea's plan, yeah |
| 07:19 | plus probably a hat tip to things we use, like jquery etc | |
| 07:20 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:20 | kf | back |
| 07:20 | magnuse | wb kf |
| 07:22 | rangi | hi kf |
| 07:25 | kf | hi magnuse and rangi :) |
| 07:28 | marcelr | hi kf |
| 07:28 | kf | hi marcelr |
| 07:29 | sorry that you can't make the meeting - but i think we are going to ahve another some time soon if it turns out useful | |
| 07:32 | mtj | hi all |
| 07:34 | marcelr | kf: yes too bad; i saw no specific agenda items btw? |
| 07:34 | hi mtj | |
| 07:34 | kf | hi mtj |
| 07:34 | i have only added gbsd so far, but may add some more today | |
| 07:34 | magnuse | marcelr: patches are welcome ;-) |
| 07:34 | kf | everyone can add agenda items |
| 07:35 | marcelr | magnuse: there will always be patches :) |
| 07:36 | rangi | marcelr: mtompset was talkinga bout these instructions |
| 07:36 | marcelr | rangi: i just stumbled over that tone, but did not see what was before that |
| 07:36 | rangi | http://wiki.lib.sun.ac.za/index.php/KOHA |
| 07:37 | marcelr | but i did not dare to be more specific than oops |
| 07:37 | rangi | which the person who wrote them has now posted to the list 5 or so times |
| 07:37 | and they are really really bad instructions | |
| 07:37 | marcelr | ok |
| 07:37 | he could not be convinced | |
| 07:37 | rangi | nope |
| 07:38 | and is now volunteering to talk to the eifl-floss people to .. on koha's behalf | |
| 07:38 | marcelr | oops again |
| 07:38 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:38 | marcelr | oops++ |
| 07:38 | rangi | heh |
| 07:38 | marcelr | that is oops again |
| 07:42 | * magnuse | adds his .02$ |
| 07:43 | rangi | :) |
| 07:46 | magnuse | this reminds me of http://koha.dk/?p=installation-af-ekstra-sprog, where you can now download danish templates for Koha. huh? |
| 07:46 | marcelr | magnuse++ why do people always write KOHA |
| 07:47 | magnuse | because they think it must be an abbreviation, perhaps? |
| 07:48 | marcelr | i should think about the meaning of that acronym then |
| 07:50 | kf | marcelr: lots of people here write KoHa - that's even weirder |
| 07:50 | marcelr | :) |
| 07:52 | rangi | Depending on the situation, it might be written "koha" or "Koha" or maybe even "KOHA". Writing "kOha" just means you got the shifting out of sync, though. |
| 07:53 | < owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha. | |
| 07:53 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:54 | marcelr | so bad instructions should really be contexted with KOHA |
| 07:55 | magnuse | ooh, gbsd starts in ~2 hours, if you choose to go by kiribati-time |
| 07:55 | marcelr | cool |
| 07:56 | mtj | hey rangi, i just got the carousel thing running with Koha::Cache :) |
| 07:56 | rangi | awesoome |
| 07:57 | magnuse: not sure how much ill get done this one | |
| 07:59 | * magnuse | neither :-( |
| 08:00 | mtj | my theory for KOHA spelling - is that its more VISIBLE in emails and text |
| 08:01 | magnuse | hey, maybe we should change the name to <blink>KOHA</blink>? |
| 08:01 | marcelr | in color please |
| 08:01 | mtj | pls frieads HELP my with the my KOHA!! |
| 08:02 | marcelr | :) |
| 08:02 | kf | i am nto sure if shouting the name out will help :) |
| 08:02 | marcelr | remember the plzzz plzzz guy |
| 08:04 | mtj | plzzZ plszzZ - KOHA keeps falling asleep!! |
| 08:07 | * magnuse | roots for bug 10240 |
| 08:07 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10240 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation using HTML5 and IndexedDB |
| 08:07 | kf | :) |
| 08:07 | iwill probably be around until 2 or so tomorrow | |
| 08:07 | depending if my familiy visits or not | |
| 08:08 | * magnuse | tries to find ways to delay kf's family ;-) |
| 08:08 | kf | hey! |
| 08:19 | rangi | magnuse: ahh well, you tried |
| 08:20 | that reply makes no sense | |
| 08:25 | magnuse | nope, but i'll answer him :-) |
| 08:35 | rangi | magnuse++ |
| 08:35 | marcelr | magnuse: 166 became 165; unfortunately it moved to failed qa |
| 08:36 | magnuse | marcelr++ any movement is progress :-) |
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| 08:38 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 08:39 | i see you are having fun on the list ;) | |
| 08:42 | marcelr | hi drojf |
| 08:42 | drojf | hi marcelr |
| 08:42 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 08:43 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 08:43 | magnuse | there is always some fun to be had in Koha-land :-) |
| 08:48 | * magnuse | throws http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]my_Koha_installed out there and hopes people will contribute |
| 08:49 | rangi | :) |
| 08:50 | magnuse | kia ora khall |
| 08:50 | rangi: not sure what is the best way to distinguish between a tarball and a git install... | |
| 08:52 | rangi | hmm |
| 08:53 | yeah | |
| 08:55 | drojf | check if there is a .git folder in whereever koha-conf.xml points at? |
| 08:56 | rangi | that would do it |
| 08:57 | magnuse | and the prize for best suggestion is... the pleasure of adding it to the wiki page! ;-) |
| 08:57 | rangi | hehe |
| 09:01 | drojf | <intranetdir> is the koha root folder for git installations, so that's probably the best one to try? |
| 09:03 | look what i stole from eythian… | |
| 09:04 | sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/intranetdir' /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml | |
| 09:04 | now somebody make that check for .git ;) | |
| 09:05 | rangi | :) |
| 09:21 | magnuse | hah, i knew it! that swedish system with multiple barcodes per item? it also has multiple barcodes per patron. awesome! |
| 09:21 | rangi | lol |
| 09:22 | someones first database | |
| 09:22 | referential integrity.... what's that? | |
| 09:22 | drojf | :) |
| 09:25 | rangi | magnuse: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]ubtly-changed-how |
| 09:28 | magnuse | lol |
| 09:31 | drojf | by the god of bash script noobness, this looks like it works for me |
| 09:31 | kohapath=$(sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/intranetdir' /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml); if [ -d $kohapath/.git ]; then echo "Looks like a git installation."; else echo "Looks like a tarball installation.";fi | |
| 09:32 | rangi | yep |
| 09:32 | magnuse | but if you have a dev install there will probably not be a /etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml ? |
| 09:32 | rangi | but only the packages put stuff in /etc/koha/sites |
| 09:33 | what he said :) | |
| 09:33 | drojf | no you have to put the path to your file |
| 09:33 | of course | |
| 09:33 | the instance could have a different name too ;) | |
| 09:33 | rangi | for tarball or git |
| 09:33 | drojf | in general |
| 09:33 | rangi | its /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml |
| 09:33 | drojf | i know |
| 09:33 | ah it's always that | |
| 09:34 | rangi | yup |
| 09:34 | drojf | you only have one instance |
| 09:34 | rangi | yup |
| 09:34 | drojf | ok that would be better than |
| 09:36 | hm no. git can be everywhere | |
| 09:36 | this actually is my git installation ;) | |
| 09:36 | if you gitify a package installation it ends up there | |
| 09:37 | rangi | yep |
| 09:37 | but most people dont do that | |
| 09:37 | and if they can manage that | |
| 09:37 | they dont need this wiki page ;) | |
| 09:38 | drojf | :) |
| 09:39 | magnuse | well, you might have inherited the server... |
| 09:39 | drojf | i just wanted to say that |
| 09:39 | wasn't that the point of the page? :) | |
| 09:40 | rangi | true, i think youd be pretty unlucky to install one some had gitified from packages tho |
| 09:40 | drojf | indeed |
| 09:40 | rangi | because youd most likely be getting it from me or you |
| 09:40 | :) | |
| 09:40 | drojf | but if you know, you can burn it and do a fresh install :D |
| 09:40 | rangi | locate koha-conf.xml |
| 09:41 | is probably the easiest way | |
| 09:41 | magnuse | rangi: agreed, a gitified package install is an edge case |
| 09:41 | drojf | yeah locate makes sense. if there are several you woul dhave found the koha sites before with the other test and not run the script |
| 09:42 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:43 | drojf | anyway, i'll put it on the wiki as it is now, have a shower and do things i really have to do. feel free to enhance it or i might do it eventually :) |
| 09:44 | magnuse | drojf++ |
| 09:44 | rangi | :) |
| 09:47 | kf | :) |
| 09:47 | about that gitifying | |
| 09:47 | are there instructions for that somewhere? :) | |
| 09:48 | rangi | in the pod :) |
| 09:49 | basically you checkout the script | |
| 09:49 | the run koha-gitify instancename path_to_gitclone | |
| 09:49 | kf | ok, so where does the script live? |
| 09:49 | gitify? | |
| 09:49 | wahanui | well, gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 09:49 | kf | aah |
| 09:49 | rangi | or |
| 09:49 | kf | is it the right one? |
| 09:49 | rangi | http://git.segfault.net.nz/?p=[…]ify.git;a=summary |
| 09:49 | yep | |
| 09:50 | kf | ok :) |
| 09:50 | * magnuse | needs a break |
| 10:00 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 10:01 | I have a question, nobody is able to answer here... | |
| 10:01 | How do you call the returner variable for GetAuthorisedValueCategories? | |
| 10:01 | $categories_names, $category_names, $categories_name? | |
| 10:02 | kf | hm is it the code or the description? |
| 10:03 | hm ok, we only have codes there | |
| 10:03 | guess iam the wrong person to ask :) | |
| 10:04 | Joubu | kf: yes it is the code |
| 10:04 | same question with s/name/code/g :) | |
| 10:05 | rangi | its an arrayref Joubu ? |
| 10:05 | if so | |
| 10:05 | $category_names | |
| 10:05 | $category_codes | |
| 10:06 | Joubu | rangi: ok thanks! |
| 10:12 | rangi: but... so there is no difference with a routine called GetNamesForACategory? why isn't it categories_names? | |
| 10:12 | rangi | because that isnt valid english |
| 10:13 | category_names = names of categories | |
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| 10:14 | rangi | if we ever have GetNamesForACategory we are doing something wrong |
| 10:17 | Joubu | rangi: yes, it was simply a grammatical question :) |
| 10:17 | rangi | :) |
| 10:17 | english is weird, but you would never say categories names | |
| 10:18 | Joubu | OK it's noted! |
| 10:28 | magnuse | how about "categorie's names" |
| 10:28 | ? | |
| 10:28 | oh btw IT's ON! http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day | |
| 10:29 | rangi | magnuse: category's names |
| 10:29 | if you mean the names owned by a category | |
| 10:29 | magnuse | ah, yes |
| 10:29 | rangi | english is dumb |
| 10:30 | magnuse | nah, it's fun! |
| 10:30 | unpredictable sometimes, but fun | |
| 10:30 | :-) | |
| 10:37 | rangi++ for the dashboard | |
| 10:40 | kf | :) |
| 10:40 | dashboard? | |
| 10:40 | wahanui | dashboard is probably at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
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| 10:51 | magnuse | kia ora Viktor |
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| 10:52 | Viktor | kia ora Magnus |
| 10:52 | magnuse | Viktor: global bug squashing day just started in Kiribati - a perfect occasion for your first signoff ;-) |
| 10:53 | Viktor | Very bad reception here, I'm going into a tunnel now ;) |
| 10:53 | kf | ah, travelling by train? |
| 10:53 | i hate those tunnels. | |
| 10:55 | Viktor | Yes very annoying how the text breaks up :) |
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| 10:56 | Viktor | But no kf - just a bit swamped with other stuff. I think my plans for delving deeper into the inner workings of Koha (and the community) will have to be delayed until winter. |
| 10:56 | * magnuse | thinks tunnels are just an excuse for dodging gbsd ;-) |
| 10:57 | magnuse | oh well, i tried ;-) |
| 10:57 | * Viktor | thinks magnuse is quite insightful :) |
| 10:57 | * magnuse | thinks Viktor is already doing really well with delving into the community |
| 10:58 | magnuse | Viktor++ in fact |
| 10:58 | @karma Viktor | |
| 10:58 | huginn` | magnuse: Karma for "Viktor" has been increased 15 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 14. |
| 10:58 | magnuse | decreased?!? |
| 10:58 | Viktor | Thanks magnuse :) |
| 10:58 | * Viktor | is curious |
| 10:59 | kf | Viktor++ |
| 11:00 | Viktor | Are you going to KohaCon kf magnuse? |
| 11:01 | kf | I am |
| 11:01 | magnuse | i am not, sadly |
| 11:02 | Viktor | Yay kf |
| 11:02 | And sorry magnuse | |
| 11:02 | magnuse | (the -- was from druthb, probably a typo, judging by the context) |
| 11:02 | Viktor | But I'm not either from the looks of it. |
| 11:02 | magnuse | :-( |
| 11:02 | Viktor: we can be miserable together then | |
| 11:03 | Viktor | magnuse Let's :) |
| 11:03 | magnuse | rangi still around? |
| 11:03 | * magnuse | hopes there will be video |
| 11:04 | Viktor | agreed magnuse |
| 11:06 | * magnuse | hopes there will be time to watch the video too :-) |
| 11:06 | Viktor | That is a problem yes. |
| 11:06 | magnuse | but the real fun (for me) would be the hackfest and the hallway track... |
| 11:07 | Viktor | true |
| 11:07 | Trying out a new idea: | |
| 11:07 | I see a lot of failed searches since people post to the wrong part of the search bar | |
| 11:08 | How about if when a search fails in the staff interface the search term is left in the bar and you can search another part of the interface by just clicking the relevant tab? | |
| 11:09 | magnuse | sounds good to me |
| 11:09 | i have that problem sometimes too | |
| 11:09 | i think there is actually one search box/form per tab though | |
| 11:09 | Viktor | Ok. Then I guess it might be relevant. I was afraid that it was just when you are new to it that it's a problem. |
| 11:09 | magnuse | so youd have to put the search term in each of them |
| 11:10 | Viktor | I guess it could be done with javascript and some DOM-manipulation? |
| 11:12 | magnuse | probably |
| 11:12 | did we set a deadline for the kohacon14 proposals? | |
| 11:13 | kf | xyes |
| 11:13 | magnuse | ah found it |
| 11:13 | kohacon14? | |
| 11:13 | kohacon14 is submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October | |
| 11:13 | kohacon14? | |
| 11:13 | wahanui | kohacon14 is submissions due by 15 September, voting to commence first week of October |
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| 11:16 | * magnuse | adds it to the next irc meeting, as a reminder |
| 11:17 | goes back to munging Viktor's data | |
| 11:17 | Viktor | magnuse++ |
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| 12:08 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:10 | magnuse | kia ora oleonard |
| 12:12 | oleonard | Got your GBSD whip ready magnuse? |
| 12:17 | kf | :) |
| 12:17 | if not i can help out | |
| 12:19 | magnuse | oleonard: oh yes! |
| 12:25 | oleonard | The whip! |
| 12:26 | wahanui: The whip! is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/SE12zHB.png | |
| 12:26 | wahanui | i already had it that way, oleonard. |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | wahanui, is the exclamation point giving you troubles? |
| 12:36 | kf | wahanui - oleonard asked you a queston1 |
| 12:36 | wahanui | kf: i'm not following you... |
| 12:36 | kf | hm. |
| 12:37 | oleonard | wahanui: forget The whip! |
| 12:37 | wahanui | oleonard, I didn't have anything matching whip |
| 12:37 | oleonard | wahanui: forget The whip |
| 12:37 | wahanui | oleonard, I didn't have anything matching whip |
| 12:37 | oleonard | wahanui: The whip is <reply> http://i.imgur.com/SE12zHB.png |
| 12:37 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 12:37 | oleonard | The whip |
| 12:37 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/SE12zHB.png |
| 12:37 | oleonard | The whip! |
| 12:37 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/SE12zHB.png |
| 12:37 | * oleonard | shrugs |
| 12:41 | marcelr | gbsd seems to be a hit |
| 12:45 | kf | marcelr: it just started in kiribati :) |
| 12:45 | it hasn't even reached europe yet | |
| 12:46 | marcelr | yes: i was in kiribati still am btw |
| 12:46 | but this signoff goes in the failed qa direction unfortunately | |
| 12:46 | bug 9312 | |
| 12:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9312 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , strict perl for picture-upload.pl |
| 12:47 | kf | ah |
| 12:47 | it happens :( | |
| 12:50 | marcelr | but citing the famous magnuse, this bug is moving |
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| 12:52 | oleonard | If it's still moving, step on it again! |
| 12:53 | kf | lol |
| 12:53 | marcelr | ah |
| 12:56 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:57 | kf | hi druthb |
| 12:58 | druthb | :) |
| 12:59 | tcohen | \o hi druthb kf |
| 12:59 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:04 | druthb | hi, tcohen! |
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| 13:36 | jcamins | I think the "sysprefs.sql is boring to rebase bug may be a little counter-productive. |
| 13:40 | magnuse | which bug is that? |
| 13:40 | and didn't we almost have a new db update system - what happened to that? | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Bug 10610. |
| 13:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , sysprefs.sql is really boring to rebase |
| 13:43 | drojf | meh. write mail to koha list, remember i can't send from that email address from the university network when i'm done. |
| 13:43 | jcamins | drojf: save it as a draft? |
| 13:43 | drojf | i did |
| 13:44 | i suppose there will be a few other "no it's not KOHA" mails before i will be able to send it :D | |
| 13:47 | magnuse | jcamins: hopefully it will be beneficial in the long run? :-= |
| 13:48 | s/=/)/ | |
| 13:48 | jcamins | Let's hope. |
| 13:55 | Joubu | jcamins: why do you think that about sysprefs.sql ? |
| 13:55 | Sure, that will cause some conflicts in a first time (for already submitted patches). But it should avoid a lot of conflicts for others. | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Joubu: because instead of having to rebase sysprefs.sql, we now simply can't apply patches that change it at all. |
| 13:56 | And if they do apply, it's hard to figure out what the patch was supposed to add. | |
| 13:57 | Joubu | Yes, it will not be easy ... in a first time :) |
| 13:58 | gmcharlt | jcamins: FWIW, I'll take care of any merge conflicts on stuff that's already been added |
| 13:58 | Joubu | the "easy" method is to c/p the syspref added by the patch and to add it to the sysprefs.sql file from master |
| 13:58 | gmcharlt | I'm not sure what you mean by " we now simply can't apply patches that change it at all." |
| 14:00 | jcamins | gmcharlt: sha1 is missing errors. |
| 14:00 | So only the original author can rebase, it looks like. | |
| 14:00 | * jcamins | is rebasing all his outstanding patches as we speak. |
| 14:01 | kf | Joubu: the problem with that is that you have to reformat the sql |
| 14:01 | you can' just jopy | |
| 14:01 | hm can#t just copy | |
| 14:01 | i think if we had kept the single insert into's it would have been a little eaiser | |
| 14:01 | i already rebased one of those and you have to be quite careful | |
| 14:01 | Joubu | jcamins: hum... weird, I didn't get this error, just a big conflicts (tested with others patches than mine) |
| 14:02 | jcamins | kf: was it your patch? If not, how did you get it to apply? |
| 14:02 | kf | i had a conflict too |
| 14:02 | I didn't get the error message | |
| 14:02 | it was kyle#s lost item stuff | |
| 14:02 | jcamins | My problem wasn't a conflict. It was an absolute refusal to apply the patch. |
| 14:02 | kf | adding 2 new system preferences |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Hm, so maybe other people just have merge conflicts. |
| 14:03 | That's good. | |
| 14:05 | Oops. | |
| 14:05 | I just ran cat koha-error.log. | |
| 14:06 | gmcharlt | jcamins: terrible thing to feed Myshkin |
| 14:06 | ;) | |
| 14:06 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:06 | kf | lol |
| 14:06 | drojf | lol |
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| 14:08 | drojf | now i see what the mobile internet is for. sending my emails that are blocked by university :D |
| 14:08 | * drojf | switches back |
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| 14:15 | drojf | what happened to the trademark issue btw.? i remember someone saying it should be over "soon", that was some time ago |
| 14:15 | kf | i think it's not over yet |
| 14:18 | drojf | :( |
| 14:18 | kf | you'd have to ask rangi I think |
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| 14:34 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:37 | tcohen | jcamins: does dedup_records.pl depend on a DOM setup? |
| 14:37 | jcamins | tcohen: yes. |
| 14:38 | Well... | |
| 14:38 | no. | |
| 14:38 | But you should use DOM for authorities because the GRS-1 configuration for MARC21 authorities is iffy. | |
| 14:38 | tcohen | ok, that's the default a while ago anyway |
| 14:38 | jcamins | Not an issue with UNIMARC, where the GRS-1 configuration is up-to-date. |
| 14:40 | tcohen | is it ok to sign even if i didn't test with {uni|nor}marc data? |
| 14:41 | jcamins | That's up to gmcharlt, but I'd think yes, given the backlog of UNIMARC patches. |
| 14:41 | And NORMARC authorities == MARC21 | |
| 14:42 | gmcharlt | tcohen: that's fine -- one can only test what one can test; just make it clear in a comment in the bug that you haven't tested with UINMARC |
| 14:42 | * druthb | finally has her testing environment set up, and wants to smoke-test a few UNIMARC patches this week. |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | druthb++ |
| 14:44 | druthb | I have some rather high-maintenance company in the house right now, so not sure how much I'll get done. But I'll take a swing at some. |
| 14:45 | oleonard | druthb: Teach them how to use the sandboxes and get them signing off |
| 14:45 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 14:46 | druthb | bah. This person is not even close to that sort of level. I wouldn't hire him to shelve books in my library. |
| 14:46 | drojf | lol |
| 14:49 | druthb | He'll be here through next Thursday. If I don't put him on a bus home before then out of sheer desperation for some peace and quiet. |
| 14:49 | kf | druthb++! |
| 14:50 | druthb | In the time it took me to install an SSL cert last night, and tinker with my webpage to put the comodo logo on it, I had to remind him *thrice* that I was trying to concentrate. grrrrr |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Hey, is it a known issue that the fr-FR PO files are broken in master, again? |
| 14:55 | druthb | Needy, manic-depressive extroverts, and hyper-busy introverts are a hypergolic mixture. One of us may not survive the week, and I'm bigger. |
| 14:55 | kf | lol |
| 14:58 | oleonard | jcamins: Broken as in causing tests to fail? I thought they always were. |
| 14:59 | jcamins | oleonard: broken as in won't allow me to update them using ./translate update |
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| 15:05 | gmcharlt | jcamins: giving it a go myself |
| 15:06 | jcamins: hmm, no errors when I run ./translate fr-FR | |
| 15:06 | er, ./translate update fr-FR | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Really? I just ran it on master and was told there was no encoding. |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | jcamins: paste? |
| 15:08 | wahanui | I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Oh, wait. I think I might see the problem. |
| 15:09 | PERL5LIB was set for my other repo. | |
| 15:09 | No. | |
| 15:09 | Darn. | |
| 15:09 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Translate error" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/182 |
| 15:11 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack paste |
| 15:11 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 15:12 | drojf | mmmh, paste |
| 15:13 | mtompset | him who? |
| 15:15 | jcamins | dbs: I'm looking at the results from validator.nu, and it's really unhappy. However, the other validators all seem to like it. Reasonable to ignore validator.nu? |
| 15:15 | dbs | jcamins: lemme look |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | jcamins: OK, one issue I had -- the translation tools really ought to actually complain if gettext is not installed |
| 15:16 | after fixing that, I'm now seeing the same issue you are | |
| 15:16 | dbs | jcamins: for context I grabbed a quick bib at http://stuff.coffeecode.net/sc[…]ha/basic_bib.html and have been testing that, but it's very basic. Can you point at a URL? |
| 15:19 | jcamins: ah, there's the holdings, which I wasn't able to test; good, I can see brokenness :) | |
| 15:19 | * dbs | will fix that up & see what else might be going awry |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:30 | dbs | jcamins: fixed the terrible holdings error and pushed a commit for that |
| 15:35 | jcamins | dbs: looks good now. |
| 15:37 | dbs | jcamins: And.... advice from #rdfa is to shuffle the span elements back outside of the a elements to avoid unwanted default chaining. So, once more into the breach. |
| 15:39 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 15:45 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.213 pasted "jcamins: the output" (98 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/183 |
| 15:51 | dbs | jcamins: okay, I swear that's the last commit in this rapid-fire iteration. If you are feeling brave and want to try again, I suspect validator.nu will be much happier. |
| 15:52 | (Well, it's unhappy about many other preexisting things, but nothing I've introduced) | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:53 | tcohen | does anyone know what this means in zebrasrv log? [log] Unknown esetname 'marc' |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Yup, looks like everything is happy. |
| 15:53 | dbs | rdfa.info/play and the rdfa.info/tools python and ruby rdfa validators are happy, as is google rich snippets |
| 15:56 | jcamins | Okay, I'm going to sign off and attach it to the bug. |
| 15:59 | dbs | jcamins: sweet! thanks for making my first real steps in #koha so welcoming! also gmcharlt++ and rangi++ for pointers over the last 24 hours |
| 16:04 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the downside of writing a new test" (678 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/184 |
| 16:05 | gmcharlt | jcamins: ^^ |
| 16:07 | jcamins | Ouch. |
| 16:08 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "corrected version that gets the sense right" (563 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/185 |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | bit less ouchy, but still ouch |
| 16:17 | oleonard | Working on the OPAC holds page again: http://www.screencast.com/t/VcnaiTlu |
| 16:18 | mtompset | How do I "Set the MARC framework to use "upload.pl" plugin for 856$u"? |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | oleonard: I like it |
| 16:19 | oleonard | mtompset: Edit the MARC subfield structure for 856$u maybe? |
| 16:19 | mtompset: That's where you set other plugins for subfields. | |
| 16:21 | mtompset | Ah... there it is... I don't usually navigate the interface. :) |
| 16:23 | oleonard++ # Koha administration ->MARC bibliographic framework ->MARC structure for a framework code -> search for 856 -> Subfields ->Edit for 'u' -> Other Options -> plugin value setting. | |
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| 16:45 | oleonard | mtompset keeps a cool head |
| 16:47 | GMail used to warn people when they were sending emails without subjects. Apparently people complained about that enough that Google dropped the warning. | |
| 16:48 | gmcharlt | jcamins: http://git.librarypolice.com/?[…]s/heads/po-errors |
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| 16:50 | mtompset | Actually, I only just now noticed mirko's reply. |
| 16:51 | Sometimes, I just don't have time to see who is actually reading responses. | |
| 16:51 | rambutan | Who would think that an ILS mailing list and corresponding chat channel could be so entertaining? |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | quick, we're too funny around here! back to the RDA salt mines! |
| 16:53 | mtompset: yeah, nothing wrong at all about just responding to a question as asked -- sometimes repetition does eventually get the answer through | |
| 16:55 | * druthb | waves to mtompset. |
| 16:58 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. :) |
| 17:03 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 17:07 | * drojf | confuses the hell out of some unknown nz person :D |
| 17:10 | rambutan | I am not from NZ |
| 17:11 | drojf | lol |
| 17:11 | i had a typo in a phone number and told someone in BZ to meet me at a station in berlin | |
| 17:11 | s/BZ/NZ | |
| 17:12 | i wonder if s/he will come :) | |
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| 18:36 | mtompset | Are tests supposed to be 644 or 755? |
| 18:38 | jcamins | .t -> 755 |
| 18:38 | Well... usually. | |
| 18:40 | mtompset | I was just asking, because I was creating the backport by hand from reading the patch files, and I noticed I had forgotten to chmod one or two .pl files. |
| 18:40 | and then I thought, oh what about the test files. | |
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| 19:04 | rambutan | make up my mind meliss |
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| 19:05 | mtompset | rambutan: Don't you mean make up your mind, meliss? |
| 19:06 | meliss joined #koha | |
| 19:06 | rambutan | I'm more concerned about my state of mind frankly. :) |
| 19:07 | I have two open cans of diet Canada Dry and one open can of Diet Dr. Pepper, and I can't decide which is the current version I should be drinking | |
| 19:07 | ah, the one on the right seems to be a bit cooler than the other two | |
| 19:07 | see what I have to deal with here? | |
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| 19:22 | rangi | hmmm |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Is it too late to tell you that you shouldn't read your e-mail? |
| 19:27 | rangi | yeah :( |
| 19:28 | jcamins | Whoops. |
| 19:29 | On the plus side, dbs' schema.org microdata is awesome. | |
| 19:29 | dbs | *ahem* RDFa Lite :) |
| 19:30 | * dbs | prefers the non-inflammatory "structured data" (although that might inflame the MARC folks) |
| 19:31 | rangi | :-) |
| 19:31 | dbs: ive already done that, with my rda tweet, you're all good | |
| 19:42 | dbs | rangi++ |
| 19:42 | oleonard | In other news, trying to track back-and-forth conversations on the Twitter site is a terrible experience. |
| 19:43 | rangi | it sure is |
| 19:43 | oleonard | From what I could tell you didn't get any convincing counterarguments about RDA? |
| 19:43 | rangi | didnt convince me |
| 19:44 | i think in the end we all came to the conclusion RDA + MARC is a horrible idea | |
| 19:44 | cait | :) |
| 19:44 | rangi | and that RDA + bibframe is potentially a good idea |
| 19:44 | but the more they poke at it, the less good it will be | |
| 19:45 | (that last bit might be just my cynicism) | |
| 19:45 | oleonard | So we should all forget about RDA until bibframe is ready? I like forgetting about things. |
| 19:45 | rangi | thats my theory |
| 19:45 | jcamins | dbs: you've been following the bibframe discussion, haven't you? |
| 19:46 | rangi | investing money into it now, prolongs marc dependency |
| 19:46 | cold turkey man | |
| 19:46 | its the only way :) | |
| 19:46 | jcamins | If you have, you what I understand is a terrible misapprehension. |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Later #koha |
| 21:04 | * wizzyrea | just read email... wow. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | i think RDA in MARC is a bad idea. It's like forcing a human to wear horseshoes |
| 21:05 | not that anyone asked my opinion, but there it is. | |
| 21:06 | also good morning | |
| 21:07 | bug squashing day! | |
| 21:08 | hoo boy | |
| 21:08 | dashboard? | |
| 21:08 | wahanui | i think dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | version control using git? |
| 21:10 | wahanui | hmmm... version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 21:13 | cjh | he didn't seem so sure about that one. |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:22 | rangi | back |
| 21:29 | dbs | jcamins: I've been following BIBFRAME a bit, enough to feel like it might be going off the rails, but that's based on a heavy dose of ignorance on my part |
| 21:31 | cait | good night all :) |
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| 21:31 | jcamins | Is someone who is more of an expert in public library fine policies going to respond to that message on the list? |
| 21:33 | rangi | dunno, im not |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | which one? |
| 21:34 | wahanui | which one is that? The fixed navbar? |
| 21:35 | jcamins | About the cron job. |
| 21:35 | rangi | not running hte cron job |
| 21:35 | jcamins | I'm pretty sure that it translates to "we would like to have a tax on poor and computer illiterate people." |
| 21:35 | I'm testing now. | |
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| 21:36 | * wizzyrea | is totally not seeing the message |
| 21:36 | jcamins | Ah, no. |
| 21:36 | Good news. | |
| 21:36 | wahanui | good news is it looks like it's running properly. |
| 21:36 | jcamins | It translates to "we won't be using fines." |
| 21:36 | Oh. | |
| 21:36 | Unless we have a syspref that I sensibly disabled. | |
| 21:37 | rangi | there is one, for calculating fines on return |
| 21:37 | not sure if its in 3.10.x tho | |
| 21:38 | jcamins | I had calculate fines on return turned on and it still didn't charge fines. |
| 21:38 | I see that as a good thing. | |
| 21:39 | I mean, not a thing-that-I-would-have-expected, but better than a fine-on-being-poor-or-computer-illiterate. | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | ...is this a recent message? |
| 21:39 | never mind, | |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Oh, never mind. |
| 21:40 | * wizzyrea | goes to do something else. |
| 21:40 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 21:40 | jcamins | I have fines capped at $0. |
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| 21:42 | jcamins | Yeah, sorry folks, that was lousy initial testing on my part. |
| 21:42 | Lee_in_Butte | Hey there Kohafriends just demoing this IRC for Colin |
| 21:42 | rangi | heya Lee_in_Butte |
| 21:43 | gmcharlt | hi Lee_in_Butte |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | hi Lee_in_Butte |
| 21:43 | Lee_in_Butte | hey Guys! |
| 21:43 | and girls | |
| 21:43 | !! | |
| 21:43 | jcamins | Should I be less appalled than I am? |
| 21:45 | rangi | jcamins: not sure |
| 21:45 | jcamins | But... no one else is appalled? |
| 21:46 | That's probably a sign that I am overreacting. | |
| 21:47 | rangi | i didnt pay enough attention to be anything :) |
| 21:47 | jcamins | I will summarize. |
| 21:48 | Someone asked on the list about turning off the fine cron job and (as I gather) just using the fine-on-return for fines. | |
| 21:48 | The reason for this is to make it possible for people to renew their books on the OPAC. | |
| 21:48 | * wizzyrea | still doesn't see the message |
| 21:48 | jcamins | Since the cron job is turned off, that means anyone with a computer at home won't be charged fines, and anyone without a computer, or without the computer savvy to renew their books themselves, will be. |
| 21:49 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ugust/037111.html |
| 21:49 | jcamins | And that is wrong, Wrong, WRONG, WRONG!!!! That is antithetical to all that a library should stand for. |
| 21:49 | That is... | |
| 21:49 | rangi | oh yeah |
| 21:49 | true | |
| 21:49 | * jcamins | actually doesn't have anything else. |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | well, ok so ... the borrower won't *know* that there are fines until they return the book |
| 21:50 | presumably the fines will be assessed when the books are returned? | |
| 21:50 | jcamins | NO!!!! |
| 21:50 | Lee_in_Butte | Colin will be setting up a Kohacon program app for us.We will have it ready to preview next week at the IRC meeting for Kohacon 13. Look for him logging in here in the near future. |
| 21:50 | jcamins | Only for the poor, disadvantaged people. |
| 21:50 | The rich, computer-savvy people won't get charged fines. | |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | but the poor disadvantaged ones can still renew at the library? |
| 21:50 | and won't get fines? | |
| 21:51 | jcamins | I believe they will get fined, yes. |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | sounds like a hole that could be filled with a calculate-accrued-fines-before-renewing patch? |
| 21:51 | rangi | Lee_in_Butte: excellent |
| 21:51 | jcamins | I will test more. |
| 21:51 | * wizzyrea | is not for punishing people who don't have internet access, mind |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | ... I think this might be a people problem at the library, not a technological one. |
| 21:52 | jcamins | I agree. |
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| 21:53 | * gmcharlt | is also for assuming good faith on the part of folks asking questions on the mailing list unless proven otherwise |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | well "allow renewals over the fine limit" might do it too |
| 21:53 | jcamins | I'm suggesting the allow renewals over the fine limit option. |
| 21:53 | gmcharlt | for one thing, I could envision scenarios where the exact time of day that the cronjob is run might affect things |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | but in truth |
| 21:54 | I think they are *imagining* customer service issues | |
| 21:54 | and perhaps, if you are reaching the threshold so quickly, it's time to lower your fines :P | |
| 21:55 | Lee_in_Butte | thanks for the excellent demo you peeps. Hey Liz are you coming to Kohacon? would love to see you and the boys! |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | borrowers aren't a source of income, they're your reason to exist. |
| 21:55 | not this year | |
| 21:55 | gmcharlt | well, we actually don't know what the issues are ... the question could certainly stand a bit of unpacking |
| 21:56 | * jcamins | has taken out his horror over the suggestion on you folks, and written a polite response for the list. |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | you did say the magic word that will at least make them stop and think, hopefully |
| 22:01 | "digital divide" | |
| 22:02 | jcamins | That's my hope. |
| 22:05 | * gmcharlt | adds "adding logic to calculate accrued fines" on demand to a list of strings to pull on, time permitting |
| 22:05 | gmcharlt | er, move the second quotation mark two words to the right |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 22:08 | * Lee_in_Butte | slaps Lee_in_Butte around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 22:09 | Lee_in_Butte | ha lar ious! |
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| 22:27 | * wizzyrea | hates troutslap |
| 22:27 | jcamins | ? |
| 22:28 | Huh. I never knew there was such a command. | |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | what's the difference between staffaccess and permissions |
| 22:28 | in the... permissions | |
| 22:28 | staffaccess Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members | |
| 22:28 | permissions Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members | |
| 22:29 | these things read the same to me? | |
| 22:30 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think permissions is wrong. |
| 22:30 | I think staffaccess is necessary to set permissions > than the current user's permissions. | |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | I think permissions does it for users that are not category staff |
| 22:30 | jcamins | Maybe. |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 22:30 | jcamins | That may be too. |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | not sure. either way, those descriptions are wrong. or one is anyway |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: the stock description for 'permissions' is Set user permissions |
| 22:32 | but looks like permissions == set permissions at all | |
| 22:32 | and staffaccess == for users whose category's type is S | |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | oh cool then it's just me |
| 22:34 | that's reassuring :) | |
| 22:35 | * wizzyrea | will double check that nothing untoward is happing at say, DB update time. |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | in regards to that |
| 22:36 | cuz 'm not not sure how mine got that way | |
| 22:36 | but I was mucking about in there, it's not inconceivable that I did that myself :) | |
| 22:39 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 22:40 | (er, that was in response to something else) | |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea: it's not just you | |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | that means it's still probably my fault heh. |
| 22:45 | * wizzyrea | will file a bug and self flagellate |
| 22:46 | will poke at that here in a couple of mins | |
| 22:47 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: oddly enough... look at commit 79e8b928ab |
| 22:47 | * wizzyrea | gets the flail |
| 22:48 | mtompset | wizzyrea: there is no relationship between category and permissions. |
| 22:48 | At least in my hunting around. | |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | mtompset: er, in the very thing we've been talking about, vis-a-vis staffacess, there is |
| 22:49 | mtompset | in koha? |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | in that staffaccess is required to change the pemrissions of a user whose category has a type of S |
| 22:50 | mtompset | But conversely, if you set someone to S, it doesn't affect default permissions for the patron. |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | no, it doesn't |
| 22:50 | but it does change who can change their permissions. | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | No, there are no role-based permissions, but that's a different issue. |
| 22:51 | mtompset | okay... I'll go back to picking through files with a fine tooth comb, to make sure I got the 6874 applicable. |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | I guess then we need to decide what the title for permissions should be |
| 22:54 | "set user permissions" I guess. | |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | how about: "Set user permissions. To set permissions for staff users, staffacess is required as well."? |
| 22:54 | wizzyrea | heyyyy I like that. |
| 22:54 | * wizzyrea | will make it so. |
| 22:54 | * gmcharlt | braces for the Picard maneuver |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea | loool |
| 22:56 | http://yodaismybackpack.files.[…]013/02/engage.gif | |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:57 | * wizzyrea | was hoping to find one of the actual maneuver |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | ^ was easier |
| 22:57 | http://fi.somethingawful.com/s[…]00158580.0001.gif | |
| 22:58 | http://i1206.photobucket.com/a[…]1qchwd9o2_250.gif ? | |
| 22:58 | * wizzyrea | is terrifically amused now |
| 22:59 | gmcharlt | http://www.decipherperth.net/p[…]rd%20Maneuver.gif |
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| 23:19 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt++ |
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| 23:47 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 23:58 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
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