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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | Program for Parents and Youngsters (HIPPY). There had to be a better acronym than HIPPY... |
| 00:00 | Well then.. | |
| 00:00 | Darned embedded newlines.. | |
| 00:16 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 00:50 | dcook | Who does Koha dev reactions? |
| 00:51 | http://havealaugh96.tumblr.com[…]he-so-happy-jesus | |
| 00:51 | I think that's how I felt when I wrote my first patch :p | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 00:53 | dcook | This one would also be useful... |
| 00:53 | http://imgur.com/429auIk | |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | hehe I like that |
| 00:54 | dcook | Twitter Gold |
| 01:11 | Hmm, IFLA sounds like it might be interesting... | |
| 01:20 | * dcook | looks forward to the day of CSS3... |
| 01:31 | drnoe_away left #koha | |
| 01:35 | dcook | @later tell rangi These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/[…]rogress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/ |
| 01:35 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:35 | dcook | @later tell magnuse These might be of interest if you haven't already seen them: http://www.slideshare.net/rjw/[…]rogress-ifla-2013 and http://www.wikidata.org/ |
| 01:35 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:36 | rangi | thanks dcook |
| 01:36 | i guess you saw my tweet :) | |
| 01:38 | dcook | Nopes |
| 01:38 | * dcook | takes a gander |
| 01:39 | rangi | https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]69632875689172992 |
| 01:39 | was just good timing :) | |
| 01:40 | dcook: ive got koha saving to rdf, everytime you add a biblio or modify one | |
| 01:40 | now | |
| 01:40 | next step | |
| 01:40 | wahanui | next step is to send it to the patches mailing list |
| 01:40 | dcook | Ack...arguing with people on Twitter...bad idea, dcook |
| 01:40 | rangi | allow the librarians to enrich those, by creating the links (or picking the links) |
| 01:41 | you are making good points | |
| 01:43 | dcook | I went to school with Myron. He lives for arguments. He doesn't care about points. He just wants to hear himself talk. |
| 01:44 | rangi | ahh, no win there then |
| 01:44 | dcook | Nopes |
| 01:44 | rangi | smile and back away slowly |
| 01:44 | dcook | That's the plan ;) |
| 01:46 | Well, maybe minus the smile | |
| 01:46 | rangi | heh |
| 01:48 | dcook | I like the tweet ;) |
| 01:48 | Yeah, I seem to remember you showing magnuse the other day | |
| 01:49 | I haven't followed the link data "thing" closely enough, but cool to see Koha saving to rdf | |
| 01:49 | rangi | ill have to tidy it up and submit it as a patch set at some point |
| 01:52 | dcook | Ok, that's really my last argument tweet for a while :p |
| 01:52 | * dcook | needs to learn now to always try to get the last word |
| 01:53 | dcook | not even |
| 01:53 | rangi | hehe |
| 01:56 | dcook | Patches \o/ |
| 01:56 | Yeah, I should submit my oai-pmh harvester soonn | |
| 01:56 | soon* | |
| 01:56 | It's not "perfect" yet, but it would be cool to potentially get some feedback | |
| 01:57 | Think I might be trying to do too much right off the bat.. | |
| 01:59 | rangi | thats always a danger |
| 01:59 | tell you what | |
| 01:59 | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Te[…]nize/Mechanize.pm | |
| 01:59 | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Te[…]anize.pm#SYNOPSIS | |
| 02:00 | you could whack some tests up | |
| 02:00 | dcook | For?\ |
| 02:00 | rangi | your harvester |
| 02:01 | dcook | No time like the present to learn to write tests |
| 02:01 | rangi | you could run you harverster, and then compare the results with the contents of a get etc |
| 02:01 | dcook | Hmm, not sure I follow |
| 02:02 | Ah, wait, I think I gotcha | |
| 02:02 | rangi | cool :) |
| 02:02 | prove its not munging the data etc | |
| 02:02 | dcook | The actual harvest works just fine, thanks to HTTP::OAI::Harvester |
| 02:02 | rangi | sweet |
| 02:02 | you could roundtrip it | |
| 02:02 | dcook | I've even got it staging the records in the staging area, converting DC to MARC21... |
| 02:02 | rangi | harvest, convert, export |
| 02:03 | then if someone breaks one of those bits | |
| 02:03 | dcook | At this point, I'm pondering how to deal with updated records |
| 02:03 | rangi | the test will catch it |
| 02:03 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:03 | rangi | the basic idea with tests are to catch changes in behaviour |
| 02:03 | dcook | Makes sense. |
| 02:03 | You automate a certain range of acceptable behaviours and then the test breaks if it changes? | |
| 02:03 | rangi | so you test for what should happen, if it doesnt, test fails |
| 02:03 | win | |
| 02:03 | exactly | |
| 02:03 | dcook | So long as you have every use case, you're golden? |
| 02:04 | rangi | pretty mcuh |
| 02:04 | thats the ideal | |
| 02:04 | dcook | I do want to write tests... |
| 02:04 | rangi | but if you have at least all the common ones, thats a good start |
| 02:04 | and if you do this | |
| 02:04 | http://galencharlton.com/blog/[…]-dependent-tests/ | |
| 02:05 | you can have your tests modifying the db, and the rollback undoes it all | |
| 02:05 | dcook | Yeah, I saw that blog post the other day. Looks sweet. |
| 02:05 | jcamins | But that doesn't work if your test is done via Test::WWW::Mechanize. |
| 02:05 | dcook | I had forgotten about rollbacks. Been too long since I read the Manga Guide to Databases :p |
| 02:05 | jcamins | You need more sophisticated techniques in that case. |
| 02:05 | rangi | yep |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Wow. $66k/minute. |
| 02:08 | _That_ is downtime you don't want to be responsible for. | |
| 02:08 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:08 | rangi | yikes |
| 02:09 | jcamins | Apparently Amazon was down between 15 and 40 minutes today. |
| 02:10 | dcook | Ouch... |
| 02:13 | tweetbot joined #koha | |
| 02:14 | * wizzyrea | is often glad to not be in 1. the medical IT industry 2. the transport industry 3. the banking industry or 4. the HUGEMASSIVECORPORATE industry. |
| 02:15 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:36 | I wonder how many car accidents happen outside of my office | |
| 02:36 | I hear tires squeaking at least twice per day... | |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Almost as many as happen down the street. |
| 02:37 | (from us) | |
| 03:37 | dcook | Koha is typically enjoyable, but Koha + Daft Punk is even more enjoyable. |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | ^^ so much this |
| 03:54 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) |
| 04:10 | dcook | Ah, so good! |
| 04:32 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:41 | wizzyrea | hrm looks like we need to do some meaintenance on the Koha Team bit of the template |
| 04:42 | maybe if I'm bored I'll do that tonight. | |
| 04:42 | dcook | Koha Team? |
| 04:42 | wizzyrea | more -> about koha -> Koha Team |
| 04:47 | dcook | Mmm, yeah, it could use some updating |
| 05:08 | Oh yeah...I forgot to do this earlier... | |
| 05:08 | ie-- | |
| 05:08 | @karma ie | |
| 05:08 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 112 times for a total karma of -111. |
| 05:38 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:44 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:48 | dcook | hey ya cait |
| 05:49 | cait | hi dcook |
| 05:54 | dcook | Good vacation so far? |
| 06:04 | cait | it was a nice vacation :) i am back since yesterday :) |
| 06:04 | dcook | Ah! I didn't realize! |
| 06:04 | Glad it was nice :) | |
| 06:36 | magnuse | rangi++ for https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]69632875689172992 |
| 06:36 | cait | morning magnuse |
| 06:36 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 06:37 | * magnuse | waves to all of #koha |
| 06:37 | magnuse | @wunder konstanz |
| 06:37 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:37 | magnuse | nice |
| 06:37 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:37 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:37 | magnuse | ooh, hot! |
| 06:37 | @wunder boo | |
| 06:37 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:37 | cait | @wunde konstanz |
| 06:37 | huginn` | cait: downloading the Perl source |
| 06:37 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:37 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:40 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 06:40 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (4:00 PM EST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:40 | dcook | Hmm, chilly today |
| 06:40 | * dcook | waves to magnuse |
| 06:40 | dcook | Howdy |
| 06:42 | magnuse | g'day mate! |
| 06:46 | dcook++ for the links | |
| 06:47 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:47 | dcook | Hope they're useful :) |
| 06:47 | salut reiveune :) | |
| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:48 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:48 | reiveune | salut magnuse, dcook :) |
| 06:51 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 06:57 | dcook | ie-- |
| 06:57 | magnuse | ie-- |
| 06:57 | windows-- | |
| 06:58 | * magnuse | had his first encounter with windows 8 yesterday |
| 06:58 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 06:58 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:58 | wahanui | hey, gaetan_B |
| 06:59 | dcook | I'm sorry, magnuse. I've only used it once or twice myself, but...blech. |
| 06:59 | bonjour gaetan_B :) | |
| 07:00 | How is it 5 already... | |
| 07:00 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 07:00 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:01 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 07:01 | dcook: maybe because it was 4 an hour ago? | |
| 07:02 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:11 | dcook | magnuse: Could be. Could be. |
| 07:11 | I think I'll do the responsible thing and head off only 11 minutes after 5 today ;) | |
| 07:11 | Have a good day all | |
| 07:36 | magnuse | :-) http://www.rollingstone.com/mu[…]brarians-20130819 |
| 07:55 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:56 | magnuse | KIA ORA KF! |
| 07:57 | kf | wah! |
| 07:57 | * kf | jumps |
| 07:57 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 08:05 | rangi++ for updating http://schema.koha-community.org/ | |
| 08:06 | * kf | throws skittles at magnuse |
| 08:06 | Oak | magnuse |
| 08:06 | hello kf | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | Oak |
| 08:07 | skittles? | |
| 08:27 | kf | apparently that's sweets you throw at people |
| 08:27 | ask druthb_away | |
| 08:28 | cjh | mmmhhhmmmm skittles are yummy. |
| 08:29 | * kf | throws some at cjh |
| 08:29 | kf | hm |
| 08:29 | * kf | throws some smarties instead |
| 08:29 | cjh | heh |
| 08:29 | kf | do you have smarties in nz? |
| 08:29 | cjh | yeah, but m&ms are more popular. |
| 08:30 | kf | ah :) |
| 08:31 | * magnuse | was thinking of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skittles_%28sport%29 which sounds slightly more dangerous |
| 08:31 | cjh | TIL that skittles is/are a sport... |
| 08:32 | * magnuse | has read too much Dickens |
| 08:33 | magnuse | @later tell oleonard: if you do followups for bug 10764 and 10765 i'll get them signed off |
| 08:33 | huginn` | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:37 | * magnuse | suspects bug 3145 is no longer relevant |
| 08:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3145 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , patron templates using poorly named "P" and "C" variables |
| 08:41 | kf | magnuse: hm i doubt it |
| 08:41 | i think the templates still might have those | |
| 08:45 | magnuse | ok, i might be wrong |
| 08:45 | it has been known to happen | |
| 08:45 | :-) | |
| 08:46 | kf | i think i ran into those sometime ago,i might be wrong too :) |
| 08:46 | or i might be thinking about something else. hm. | |
| 08:52 | Joubu++ | |
| 09:14 | magnuse | they are really hard to grep for, at least ;-) |
| 09:14 | kf++ for calling a qa meeting | |
| 09:16 | kf | we will see how it works out :) |
| 09:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #341 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:24 | * rangi | giggles |
| 09:24 | rangi | https://twitter.com/Marie_Idil[…]69738290951225344 |
| 09:26 | im not entirely sure how adding fields to MARC helps move from MARC | |
| 09:26 | people are funny | |
| 09:27 | cjh | maybe marc will become so over encumbered it falls over? |
| 09:27 | rangi | heh |
| 09:36 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 09:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #341: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/341/ |
| 09:53 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 10411: add cache control headers for static resources (Debian package) | |
| 09:53 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form | |
| 09:53 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about page | |
| 09:53 | * David Cook: Bug 10448: can now change framework after duplicating bib record | |
| 09:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10411 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Add cache control headers to static resources in the apache config |
| 09:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Add item link on acquisitions add item is too small | |
| 09:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page | |
| 09:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10448 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Changing framework when cataloguing clears all fields | |
| 09:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #342 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:56 | cjh | finally found time to catch up on my rmaint :) |
| 09:57 | rangi | cjh++ |
| 09:58 | cjh | probably worth mentioning that lately I have had issues with my RSI flaring up again, but for the time being I plan to keep rmaint-ing, just may be a bit slow. |
| 10:00 | rangi | sweet, your health is more important, one of us can sub in if we need to, but cool if you can keep doing it |
| 10:03 | cjh | ty, I havent been able to do it much for the last few weeks so got pretty close to asking for a volunteer, if it gets worse I will try let the community know ASAP. |
| 10:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #342: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/342/ |
| 10:31 | * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: test case for sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes | |
| 10:31 | * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: fix sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes | |
| 10:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css | |
| 10:31 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name | |
| 10:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9770 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSortRoutine::Dewey can pad the wrong part of a call number internally |
| 10:31 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier. |
| 10:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css |
| 10:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless | |
| 10:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier | |
| 10:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #343 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 10:43 | magnuse | cjh++ |
| 10:45 | bgkriegel joined #koha | |
| 10:46 | kf | cjh++ |
| 10:47 | magnuse | health > Koha_3.8.x |
| 10:47 | Koha_master, on the other hand... ;-) | |
| 11:08 | kf | tsk :) |
| 11:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #343: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/343/ |
| 11:08 | * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 10127 : Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files | |
| 11:08 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page | |
| 11:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10127 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Printoverdues.sh should tar only pdf files |
| 11:08 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken | |
| 11:10 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 11:11 | drojf | hello again |
| 11:11 | what's the offline mode of koha? | |
| 11:12 | rangi | maybe they mean offline circ? |
| 11:13 | drojf | ah |
| 11:13 | of course | |
| 11:13 | kf | my guess too |
| 11:13 | drojf | or, at least very likely |
| 11:13 | * kf | sends rangi to bed |
| 11:14 | * drojf | drank coffee and is confused now |
| 11:14 | drojf | so, everything is normal ;D |
| 11:15 | i wonder what i have been working on, koha-wise | |
| 11:15 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 11:24 | magnuse | drojf: maybe check bugzilla? |
| 11:25 | drojf | magnuse: yup, i found it there. i just got confused because it passed qa already |
| 11:26 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 11:26 | drojf | i remember some qa manager asking about changes ;) |
| 11:26 | magnuse | drojf: oh noes, the qa team culdn't leave it alone? |
| 11:28 | yeah, that qam... | |
| 11:29 | bug 10344 | |
| 11:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha |
| 11:29 | magnuse | poor gmcharlt ;-) |
| 11:39 | kf | hmpf poor qam? |
| 11:39 | poor qa people? | |
| 11:42 | drojf | yay RDA |
| 11:43 | * drojf | hides |
| 11:43 | magnuse | looking at the queue of signed off patches, i'm ready to agree to a "poor qam and qa people", yes |
| 11:44 | drojf | goodness |
| 11:44 | needs signoff is ridiculously high too | |
| 11:45 | people should go on vacation more often and stop submitting code :P | |
| 11:45 | kf | well stop submitting code until we have caught up would work for me |
| 11:46 | except for bug fixes | |
| 11:46 | drojf | so i better not change anything to my bug that passed qa, right? ;) |
| 11:47 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 11:47 | kf | hmm not sure - was it me asking for changes? |
| 11:47 | and what's missing? | |
| 11:47 | wahanui | missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out |
| 11:47 | kf | um thx wahanui |
| 11:47 | wahanui | yw |
| 11:47 | oleonard | wahanui: That made no sense. |
| 11:47 | wahanui | oleonard: sorry... |
| 11:47 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 11:48 | drojf | i won't tell you what's missing, that would be counter-productive to my plan of being lazy |
| 11:52 | Viktor joined #koha | |
| 11:53 | Viktor | Hi! |
| 11:54 | Is it possible to display _where_ a book was returned on issuehistory.pl? | |
| 11:56 | oleonard | Viktor: I don't know what issuehistory.pl queries, but I see that the statistics table saves a branch code for entries with type='return' |
| 11:57 | Viktor | That would be useful I think oleonard - thanks. |
| 11:57 | We'd like a simple way to se where books that has gone missing in transport was returned. | |
| 11:58 | Just trying to make shure that we don't start writing an request for enhancment on stuff that's already available :) | |
| 12:01 | drnoe joined #koha | |
| 12:02 | jcamins | Viktor: I don't think there's any option to do that now, but I think that could be added. |
| 12:03 | Viktor | I'll add it for our 2014 wishlist then jcamins :) I'm noting all the stuff we find during the autumn and plan to tick at least a few off the list next year. |
| 12:05 | magnuse | Viktor++ |
| 12:06 | oleonard | Looks like issuehistory.pl queries issues and old_issues, so it would have to be reworked to include the check-in library. |
| 12:08 | Viktor | magnuse :) |
| 12:08 | kf | Viktor: if it's transport, maybe it shows on the transports to receive (something like that) page? |
| 12:09 | Viktor | oleonard Hm. As long as it's not too much work I guess we'd still want to get it done. Thanks for looking into it. |
| 12:09 | drojf | patches welcome ;) |
| 12:09 | Viktor | kf - That might very well catch quite a lot of the necessary examples. |
| 12:10 | drojf True :) No promises though. But we do have funding for 2014 for a few of our top priorities. | |
| 12:11 | drojf | nice! :) |
| 12:12 | Viktor | It is :) |
| 12:12 | kf | :) |
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| 12:50 | druthb | kf! drojf! How's Germany today? |
| 12:51 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:52 | kf | druthb! |
| 12:52 | tcohen! | |
| 12:52 | druthb: cloudy here but nice | |
| 12:52 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 12:52 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 12:52 | magnuse | tcohen! |
| 12:52 | wahanui | tcohen is 122 |
| 12:53 | druthb | magnuse! tcohen! |
| 12:53 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 12:53 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 12:54 | drojf | druthb! |
| 12:54 | druthb: fascist as yesterday | |
| 12:54 | but the sun is shining ;) | |
| 12:54 | druthb | :) |
| 13:00 | oleonard | tcohen! druthb! drojf! kf! wahanui! |
| 13:00 | drojf | oleonard! |
| 13:00 | wahanui | it has been said that oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 13:00 | drojf | tcohen! |
| 13:00 | ;) | |
| 13:00 | druthb | oleonard! |
| 13:00 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 13:01 | tcohen | drojf! oleonard! |
| 13:02 | kf | oleonard! |
| 13:02 | wahanui | somebody said oleonard was not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 13:02 | oleonard | wahanui is overly concerned with my whereabouts. |
| 13:03 | druthb | heh |
| 13:03 | we all miss you when you're not here, oleonard. | |
| 13:04 | * oleonard | is neither constantly connected to IRC even when away from his computer nor young enough to spend 20 hours a day here |
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| 13:06 | * kf | wonders who would spend 20 hours in #koha |
| 13:07 | oleonard | When we all get our Google Glasses we can have #koha running constantly in a corner of our vision |
| 13:07 | * druthb | uses bip for that. |
| 13:16 | liw | druthb, so one of your external brains is on #koha continuously :) |
| 13:16 | bip is nice | |
| 13:17 | druthb | yep. I don't miss things that way. jcamins can't say evil things about me, even with [off]. |
| 13:18 | oleonard | Oh no, I never thought of that! |
| 13:18 | * oleonard | gives jcamins the evil eye |
| 13:18 | * jcamins | has ops! He could accidentally kick someone then say evil things about them! |
| 13:18 | * druthb | offers to set up a bip server for oleonard. |
| 13:19 | oleonard | jcamins' reach knows no bounds |
| 13:22 | Thanks druthb, I think I'm getting a healthy dose of #koha for now :) | |
| 13:34 | liw | oleonard, then more of #koha would be even healthier! |
| 13:39 | tcohen | feature freeze? |
| 13:39 | wahanui | feature freeze is march 22nd 2013 |
| 13:40 | tcohen | you are outdated wahanui |
| 13:41 | druthb | wahanui: forget feature freeze |
| 13:41 | wahanui | druthb: I forgot feature freeze |
| 13:42 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack frozen lemonade |
| 13:42 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 13:47 | kf | tcohen: release dates? |
| 13:47 | wahanui | release dates are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 13:48 | oleonard | wahanui: Feature freeze is 3 October 2013 |
| 13:48 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 13:49 | oleonard | string freeze? |
| 13:49 | wahanui | hmmm... string freeze is 24:00 8th October |
| 13:49 | oleonard | wahanui: forget string freeze |
| 13:49 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot string freeze |
| 13:49 | oleonard | wahanui: String freeze is 31 October 2013 |
| 13:49 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 13:50 | oleonard | brain freeze? |
| 13:50 | druthb | lol |
| 13:50 | magnuse | lol |
| 13:50 | oleonard | wahanui: Brain freeze is <reply> Slow down, tiger. |
| 13:50 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
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| 14:11 | * gmcharlt | is working on getting the website back up |
| 14:11 | kf | frozen lemonade? |
| 14:12 | oleonard | gmcharlt: That's going to be hard to do with all of us checking the web site to see what you're talking about |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 14:12 | drop in the bucket compared to whatever is overloading it at the moment | |
| 14:15 | druthb | kf: frozen lemonade. It's a good brain-freeze maker. |
| 14:15 | also very yummy treat on a hot day. | |
| 14:15 | oleonard | sql_library++ |
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| 14:28 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]656d314195cf69d07> |
| 14:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1377 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:38 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]68c3727ecffac7f02> / Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9cb3212694af86610> / Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to |
| 14:47 | gmcharlt | website back up; there appears to have been a DDOS / attempt to compromise the WP login about four hours ago |
| 14:47 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:48 | oleonard | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt: Do you have time for a question? | |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 14:57 | oleonard | I think my Bootstrap OPAC theme is getting very close to being ready. I have a couple of minor issues still to resolve. |
| 14:57 | drojf | you did not ask if gmcharlt has time for a second question… |
| 14:57 | oleonard | What do you think I can do to help it along the process? |
| 14:58 | Daniel is going to include a note about it in the newsletter. so perhaps that will lead to more feedback. | |
| 14:58 | But really it's almost ready for signoff. | |
| 14:58 | (as far as I know from my own testing) | |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | oleonard: one idea is to see if the QA folks are willing to put it on their agenda for the metting that kf has called |
| 15:01 | another thing that might help is identifying any pending OPAC template bugs that may be of higher priority than the Bootstrap theme -- and get some attention on those so that we minimize rebase iterations | |
| 15:01 | also, a plain old announcement to koha-devel wouldn't hurt | |
| 15:02 | oleonard | That makes sense. I've done my best to track each new commit to the OPAC templates. |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | I'll also point a WCAG validator against a fresh install of it this week |
| 15:04 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #57: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/57/ |
| 15:04 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message | |
| 15:04 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name |
| 15:05 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #58 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:10 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | oleonard: http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/[…]ts/bootstrap-opac is the current branch, correct? |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Yes |
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| 15:14 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:16 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 15:16 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 21.3°C (5:12 PM CEST on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:18 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 15:18 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 30.0°C (10:18 AM CDT on August 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:19 | kf | oleonard: not sure how much the qa team can do - we shoudl try to get some sign-offs first ideally - maybe also people could note somewhere what they tested... hm. |
| 15:19 | oleonard: it would be great to get someone test accessibility, but i am not sure how to do that | |
| 15:21 | oleonard | I'm not sure how signoffs should be handled since a patch would be too large to upload to Bugzilla |
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| 15:40 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0abe0b901d1af3e6a> |
| 15:42 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #58: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/58/ |
| 15:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax |
| 15:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax | |
| 15:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #59 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 15:46 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10081: add library name to IndependentBranches error message | |
| 15:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10081 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , IndependentBranches error message missing the library name |
| 15:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1378 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:21 | Project master_maria build #59: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/59/ | |
| 16:21 | Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items | |
| 16:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items |
| 16:50 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 16:56 | magnuse | oleonard, kf: couldn't positive comments on the bug just count as signoffs then? |
| 16:58 | gmcharlt | magnuse: a statement to the effect of (a) I've tested the patch (b) I am willing to signoff on it (c) I authorize somebody up the line to add a Signed-off-by line to the commit message accordingly would be sufficient IMO |
| 16:58 | or simply -- "here's my branch in a Git repo that has the patch with my signoff" | |
| 16:59 | magnuse | sounds good to me |
| 16:59 | what's the plan again - will it replace prog in 3.14? | |
| 16:59 | or will prog, ccsr and this new theme all be options in 3.14? | |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Just a third theme in 3.14 |
| 17:00 | But later to become the single default theme--I hope! | |
| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1378: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1378/ |
| 17:01 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10765 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10764 - Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10763 - [SIGNED-OFF] Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 8670 - Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10628: make sure AutomaticItemReturn doesn't prevent holds queue from filling local holds with local items | |
| 17:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10765 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Koha::GetSupportList() to use TT syntax |
| 17:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Items::GetItemStatus() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | depending on how it tests, I wouldn't be opposed to it supplantly CCSR in 3.14 as well |
| 17:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10763 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Creators::Lib::html_table() to use TT syntax |
| 17:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8670 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Update POD of C4::Branch::GetBranches() to use TT syntax | |
| 17:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10628 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , AutomaticItemReturn prevents holds queue from filling local holds with local items | |
| 17:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1379 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 17:13 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:14 | I was wondering if anyone would be adverse to a patch for the apache-shared.conf that adds a -Indexes on the Options line at the end. | |
| 17:14 | druthb | Hi, mtompset |
| 17:14 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb! |
| 17:15 | magnuse | mtompset: one way to find out is to submit a patch :-) |
| 17:16 | mtompset | Any ideas on what to call the patch? |
| 17:17 | jcamins | "Apache configuration should not display Indexes" ? |
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| 17:19 | mtompset | If I have a bunch of PDF files (for example), which I would like to have usable links in 856$u, what is the best way to serve these files from a Koha Server? |
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| 17:20 | jcamins | Either upload them manually or sign off on bug 6874? |
| 17:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , File upload in MARC |
| 17:22 | mtompset | Ooo... interesting enhancement. Thanks, jcamins! |
| 17:23 | jcamins++ | |
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| 17:26 | mtompset | We are in the midst of evaluating moving our hosting to another site, preferably in Europe, any suggestions as to sites good for hosting Koha on at low cost? |
| 17:28 | oleonard | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]continent/#europe |
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| 17:33 | magnuse | mtompset: i use linode - they have a datacenter in london, and i have been quite happy with them (if that was the sort of thing you were thinking of) |
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| 17:36 | * oleonard | keeps thinking he should grow up and get VPS hosting so he could run his own Koha |
| 17:36 | then remembers he isn't a system administrator | |
| 17:37 | jcamins | oleonard: Lots of people think that sort of thing. As it happens, I just heard about a service that will provide you with your own Koha, gratis! Unfortunately, source code access is not included. |
| 17:37 | Well- you can access the source code, it's just read-only. | |
| 17:38 | :) | |
| 17:39 | oleonard | :P |
| 17:39 | * cait | waves tiredly |
| 17:39 | * mtompset | waves back to cait. :) |
| 17:40 | alphaman | oleonard: I'm a sysadmin… ;) |
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| 17:47 | ccsrgabrielle | Hello! Does anyone know if there is a way to differentiate renewals made in the intranet vs renewals made in the OPAC? I need it for an SQL report |
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| 17:55 | cait | ccsrgabrielle: i think you only can do that in newr versions when there is a speciic system preference set |
| 17:55 | let me look it up | |
| 17:56 | ccsrgabrielle: OpacRenewalBranch | |
| 17:56 | magnuse | oleonard: you don't believe in teaching * dogs new tricks? |
| 17:56 | ccsrgabrielle | in wich version? |
| 17:56 | cait | it will only record it i think when that is set to OPACRenew |
| 17:56 | hm not sure | |
| 17:57 | not that new really... maybe 3.8? | |
| 17:57 | 3.10? | |
| 17:57 | wahanui | 3.10 is released November 22. |
| 17:57 | gmcharlt | ccsrgabrielle: 3.6 or later, looks like |
| 17:59 | cait | so not really new at all :) |
| 17:59 | oleonard | wahanui: forget 3.10 |
| 17:59 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot 3.10 |
| 17:59 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.10 is Koha 3.10 was released 23 November 2012 |
| 17:59 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:00 | ccsrgabrielle | Okay. But it looks to be only for the branch and not to know if the renewals were made in the OPAC or in the intranet? |
| 18:00 | cait | ccsrgabrielle: it will record opacrenewals if it's set to OpacRenew |
| 18:01 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012 |
| 18:01 | wahanui | ...but 3.8 is very stable... |
| 18:01 | cait | otherwise I am afraid there is maybe no way to tell |
| 18:01 | oleonard | wahanui: forget 3.8 |
| 18:01 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot 3.8 |
| 18:01 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.8 is Koha 3.8.0 was released 23 April 2012 |
| 18:01 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:01 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011 |
| 18:01 | wahanui | ...but 3.6 is more relevant... |
| 18:02 | oleonard | wahanui: forget 3.6 |
| 18:02 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot 3.6 |
| 18:02 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.6 is Koha 3.6.0 was released 22 October 2011 |
| 18:02 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:02 | oleonard | 3.4? |
| 18:02 | wahanui | 3.4 is, like, still on schedule |
| 18:02 | oleonard | wahanui: forget 3.4 |
| 18:02 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot 3.4 |
| 18:02 | ccsrgabrielle | Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC? |
| 18:02 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.4 is Koha 3.4.0 was released 22 April 2011 |
| 18:02 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:02 | oleonard | 3.2? |
| 18:02 | wahanui | 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but drojf's guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use |
| 18:03 | oleonard | wahanui: forget 3.2 |
| 18:03 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot 3.2 |
| 18:03 | oleonard | wahanui: 3.2 is Koha 3.2.0 was released 22 October 2010 |
| 18:03 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:04 | ccsrgabrielle | cait: Okay, so if i set OpacRenwealBranch to "OpacRenew" i will be able to know how many renewals were made in the OPAC? |
| 18:04 | oleonard | wahanui: 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue. |
| 18:04 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | ccsrgabrielle: yes |
| 18:09 | ccsrgabrielle | Ok thanks, i will try it! :) |
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| 18:13 | oleonard | @seen bag |
| 18:13 | huginn` | oleonard: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 19 hours, 22 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <bag> pianohacker: rancor |
| 18:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1379: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1379/ |
| 18:17 | mtompset | 1492? |
| 18:17 | wahanui | 1492 is In fourteen hundred ninety-two. Columbus sailed the ocean blue. |
| 18:19 | jcamins | wahanui: forget 1492 |
| 18:19 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot 1492 |
| 18:19 | jcamins | wahanui: 1492 is <reply> In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. |
| 18:19 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 18:19 | jcamins | 1492? |
| 18:19 | wahanui | In fourteen hundred ninety-two, Columbus sailed the ocean blue. |
| 18:21 | magnuse | bug 1492? |
| 18:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1492 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED FIXED, MARC subfields structure: can't switch to tab with label "@" |
| 18:21 | cait | ccsrgabrielle: but only for rneewals made from the point on you change it |
| 18:21 | i mean after changing the setting | |
| 18:23 | ccsrgabrielle | cait: Ok. And how can i point it in my SQL report? |
| 18:24 | cait | you will query the statistics table |
| 18:24 | i am not sure which column and should take time to eat some dinner :) | |
| 18:25 | maybe easiest is doing a rnewal and look at the newest entries in the statistics table to see how it looks like | |
| 18:26 | ccsrgabrielle | Ok thanks! Have a good dinner :) |
| 18:26 | cait | thx :) |
| 18:27 | magnuse | enjoy your dinner cait |
| 18:29 | moahahah, a database with a table with columns called FIRST_NAME_1, FIRST_NAME_2, FIRST_NAME_3, FIRST_NAME_4 and FIRST_NAME_5 | |
| 18:30 | cait | sounds fun? |
| 18:30 | jcamins | magnuse: awesome! |
| 18:30 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins |
| 18:31 | mtompset | magnuse: Are you kidding?! That's so bad it's good. |
| 18:32 | magnuse | no kidding, i'm afraid |
| 18:32 | it's something called "library IT". it's different from other kinds of IT. | |
| 18:33 | druthb | hm. |
| 18:33 | awesome! | |
| 18:33 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, druthb |
| 18:33 | druthb | oooh. |
| 18:34 | * druthb | digs through her change, and puts in INR64, not having a dollar handy. |
| 18:35 | gmcharlt | http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/[…]ieve-about-names/ |
| 18:39 | mtompset | That's a bizarre link. 5 years?! You have to be kidding me. What culture waits 5 years to name the kid? |
| 18:43 | oleonard | Which one? The one you don't know about until after you've developed your database I guess. |
| 18:45 | mtompset | There exist people with no name? |
| 18:46 | cait | see commentson that post |
| 18:48 | magnuse | oh and don't forget to format your dates like so: 11-JUN-99 |
| 18:48 | gmcharlt | magnuse: 1899 was an excellent year, don't you agree? |
| 18:49 | * druthb | shudders |
| 18:49 | oleonard | magnuse: Right, because the months come in alphabetical order right? |
| 18:50 | magnuse | oleonard: of course they do! |
| 18:50 | oh and please remember to store your pin codes (passwords) as plain text | |
| 18:51 | gmcharlt | oleonard: do your library still use misc/cronjobs/stats/monthly_circulation_statistics.pl ? |
| 18:51 | oleonard | gmcharlt: That doesn't sound familiar |
| 18:52 | gmcharlt | oleonard: admittedly, it was only an allegation that ACPL ever used it at all :) |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Filthy lies! |
| 18:53 | Hm, if it was authored by my former boss then I guess it might not be lies... | |
| 18:53 | ...but it also means that it is *very* old | |
| 18:54 | Anyway, we definitely don't use it. | |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | oleonard: bug 10771 |
| 19:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10771 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , three disused scripts in misc/cronjobs/stats should be removed |
| 19:04 | oleonard | +1 |
| 19:14 | magnuse | removing_dead_code++ |
| 19:14 | oleonard | reviving_dead_corpses-- |
| 19:15 | druthb | zombies-- |
| 19:15 | mtompset | Come on! Zombies are cool. And what about Ezekiel and the dry bones, or Jesus? :P |
| 19:16 | druthb | I don't *have* to outrun a zombie apocalypse, mtompset. I just have to outrun *you* when we get caught in one. |
| 19:16 | mtompset | removing_dead_code++ |
| 19:17 | druthb: I was surprised at how well I did 400m's the other day. Of course, it was a bad time in general, but much better than I thought. | |
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| 19:42 | rangi | hmm am i missing something |
| 19:42 | did RDA suddenly not become modified MARC? | |
| 19:42 | https://twitter.com/3windmills[…]69832361049202688 | |
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| 19:43 | cait | rangi: it is not really... |
| 19:43 | rangi: it is more modified aacr... for the idea of it | |
| 19:44 | my coworker spend like 3 hours trying to explain it to me... no guarantees i gotit right :) | |
| 19:44 | rangi | yes |
| 19:44 | but can you represent it in anything other than MARC | |
| 19:44 | ? | |
| 19:45 | cait | yes i think you can |
| 19:45 | rangi | just no one has or does? |
| 19:45 | cait | and they will do that here... because our databases are internally not marc |
| 19:45 | rangi | actually i think that makes it even worse |
| 19:45 | cait | we export marc |
| 19:45 | you can certainly think that | |
| 19:45 | rangi | ive yet to see it defined in any way other than what marc fields it uses |
| 19:47 | oleonard | If RDA wasn't MARC how could we be seeing RDA records coming out of library catalogs already? |
| 19:47 | rangi | *nod* |
| 19:47 | i mean i understand that AACR2 and RDA are supposedly cataloguing rules | |
| 19:48 | but they are tied so heavily to what goes in what subfield and what indicator , adn 264 being better than 260 | |
| 19:48 | that i think RDA is no more separate from MARC than AACR2 is | |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | rangi: of course they're not dependent on MARC! You can always hand-write catalog cards based on RDA and AACR2 rules! |
| 19:48 | rangi | heheh |
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| 19:49 | gmcharlt | to be fair, there were efforts during the RDA process by some folks to achieve more of a detachment from MARC |
| 19:50 | rangi | *nod* |
| 19:50 | i was cheering for them | |
| 19:50 | they lost tho | |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | but my impression is that those are nowadays subsumed in the BIBFRAME effort |
| 19:50 | rangi | *nod* |
| 19:51 | my main issue with RDA is the time and money being invested in it, will make people even slower to move from MARC | |
| 19:51 | 'but we just spent x thousand on converting to RDA!!' | |
| 19:52 | gmcharlt | well, any successor to MARC is going to have to *prove* a real benefit ... certainly RDA per se has made a lot of folks suspicious |
| 19:52 | * oleonard | shudders... "x thousand!" |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | and I think it will need to go beyond "in theory Linked Data means more sharing! lower cataloguing costs!" to "in actuality..." |
| 19:55 | rangi | yeah |
| 19:56 | which means i need to finish my stuff, and make sparql.koha-community.org and the button in koha to push/pull from it | |
| 19:56 | someone win lotto for me | |
| 19:56 | * gmcharlt | hands rangi a shiny simolean |
| 19:57 | oleonard | sparql? |
| 19:58 | jcamins | rangi: I don't think you understand. |
| 19:58 | Bibframe is the future. | |
| 19:58 | Bibframe is where it's at. | |
| 19:58 | We don't have data in MARC, we have data in Bibframe^0, which looks like MARC. | |
| 19:58 | rangi | oleonard: so far, in my rdf branch, when you add or modify a biblio, it converts it to rdf and stores it as NTriples in a designated sparql endpoint |
| 19:59 | next, i want to add the ability when in the staff site, to enrich that record, ie spawn a search of VIAF and link that, and then save that enhanced rdf | |
| 19:59 | then i want a way, to 'publish' it | |
| 19:59 | have you seen http://ratings.koha-community.org/ | |
| 19:59 | oleonard | I understood some of those words. |
| 19:59 | rangi | im thinking somethign like that but for rdf |
| 20:00 | a sparql endpoint you can think of as a database | |
| 20:00 | that you query with sparql | |
| 20:00 | you can do thinks like INSERT { rdf goes here } | |
| 20:01 | it looks similar to sql | |
| 20:01 | my theory is, if there is a way for a koha library to push its enhanced rdf | |
| 20:01 | and a way for others to grab that | |
| 20:02 | we can show how you can copy catalogue | |
| 20:02 | it wont work | |
| 20:02 | but i like tilting at windmills | |
| 20:18 | * gmcharlt | hands rangi a Don Quixote badge |
| 20:19 | * oleonard | hands rangi a poncho |
| 20:24 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:25 | * cait | tries handing a cookie |
| 20:25 | cait | cookies always work, right? |
| 20:26 | druthb | cookies? |
| 20:26 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 20:26 | druthb | :D |
| 20:29 | jcamins | I shall impersonate- a man. Come, enter into my imagination and see him! Bony, hollow-faced, with eyes that burn with the fire of inner vision. He conceives of the strangest project ever imagined... to reform library data, abolishing all MARC! |
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| 20:47 | cait | jcamins: i am sorry, i don't get the reference, quite sure tho there is one? |
| 20:48 | * cait | nibbles on a cookie and tries to be quiet |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | cait: Man of La Mancha |
| 20:51 | * gmcharlt | grabs a cookie and starts nibbling too |
| 20:51 | cait | oh that fits of course |
| 21:00 | cjh | morning |
| 21:03 | * magnuse | cheers rangi on |
| 21:03 | magnuse | hey, maybe i can be sancho panza? |
| 21:05 | nah, didn't he really tag along to make sure don quixote didn't inflict too much harm on himself and others? | |
| 21:06 | * magnuse | wants to see maximum harm inflicted on MARC and its minions |
| 21:06 | rangi | back |
| 21:07 | magnuse | wb rangi |
| 21:09 | * magnuse | hopes rangi will submit what he has - saving records as rdf in a triplestore is an excellent start, we can do the ui for enhancing the data + sparql.koha-community.org later :-) |
| 21:10 | is working on an rdf browser for the opac | |
| 21:10 | like stalking to himeslf late at night | |
| 21:10 | magnuse | or "likes talking", your choice |
| 21:10 | rangi | magnuse: its all pushed up |
| 21:11 | ill submit as patches at some point | |
| 21:11 | * magnuse | hopes for sooner rather than later ;-) |
| 21:12 | rangi | i even fixed the typo u spotted :) |
| 21:12 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 21:15 | oh well, have fun #koha! | |
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| 21:58 | dani1 | hello, newbie here with a question about fines and long overdues. |
| 21:59 | cait | hi dani |
| 22:00 | dani1 | hello |
| 22:00 | cait | we will try to help, but i have never used the long overdue script, so ont sure how much help i can be there |
| 22:00 | we do use fines tho :) | |
| 22:00 | dani1 | OK. if a book have been changed to long overdue, and then later returned. I know the fine is removed, but no max late fine is charged? |
| 22:01 | is this because there is no per-item max? | |
| 22:01 | cait | hm |
| 22:01 | wasn't it removed from the patron account with long overdue? | |
| 22:01 | dani1 | yes. So I patron could turn in a book 100 days overdue and not get charged anything? |
| 22:01 | cait | they should be charged the replacement price for the bug |
| 22:02 | book | |
| 22:02 | when it's set to long overdue (I think) | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | there's an option for that, yes |
| 22:02 | cait | if it works like the other lost status |
| 22:02 | dani1 | but when the book is returned the replacement price is removed |
| 22:02 | cait | there is a system preference for that now - it's something with refund |
| 22:02 | if you search for lost in administration it might turn up | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | I think the fines charged prior to long overdue still stand though |
| 22:02 | rangi | they do |
| 22:02 | they are done with a different fines script | |
| 22:03 | cait | hm yes, they wouldn#t get removed |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | but there is no per item max |
| 22:03 | cait | dani1: do you run the fines script? |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | there's an across the board maximum |
| 22:03 | cait | wizzyrea: hm there is |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea: in 3.12 | |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | dani1: are you running 3.12? |
| 22:03 | cait | maxfine got moved to the circulation matrix |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | that's cool I didn't realise that |
| 22:03 | dani1 | no 3.10 |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | either way, pretty new feature ;0 |
| 22:03 | ;) | |
| 22:04 | so no, currently you have only the across the board max fine | |
| 22:04 | dani1 | Well, we are trying to decide how to set up a new library. Director wants max fine or some fine to be charged for long overdues that get turned in 100 days late. |
| 22:04 | cait | dani1: did you check for lost configuration options in the system preferences? |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 22:05 | dani1 | no wizzyrea, looking now |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | but yea, I recall that there was a change to flip the switch as to whether the charge is removed |
| 22:07 | I think it's a syspref | |
| 22:07 | cait | it is |
| 22:07 | just not sure which version | |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | i am pretty sure 3.10 but.... eeeee... not sure |
| 22:07 | dani1 | So, her choice is fee removed or not, instead of max fines per item... |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | maybe that was 3.12 |
| 22:08 | right | |
| 22:08 | dani1 | OK. Got it. |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | cool, welcome to the community :) |
| 22:08 | dani1 | thanks! That didn't even hurt. ;) |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 22:11 | ya hop in and ask questions anytime | |
| 22:13 | dani1 | I am sure I will be back for more. |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]e-new-shows-up-in |
| 22:15 | dani1 ^ | |
| 22:21 | dani1 | ha! |
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| 22:42 | drojf | evening |
| 22:48 | we really have to talk about the service in here. what if i'd be a koha novice in desperate need of help? | |
| 22:48 | rangi | heh |
| 22:51 | drojf | eythian++ # making edge open a website and summoning a schienenschleifwagen |
| 22:52 | i consider keeping him :P | |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | you may not have him! |
| 22:53 | (unless he wants to. :P) | |
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| 23:20 | cjh | drojf: for a small payment of $49.99/month we can upgrade you to #koha+ |
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| 23:22 | drojf | cjh: lol. that sounds very attractive ;) |
| 23:24 | * mtompset | doesn't know if he should make the joke.... |
| 23:24 | mtompset | Really? #koha+ sounds lib... nah, won't go there. |
| 23:25 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
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| 23:32 | cjh | heh |
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| 23:41 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:48 | wizzyrea | looks like proper RDA support is going to have to be something high on the priority list very soon. |
| 23:48 | dcook | wizzyrea: Oh? |
| 23:48 | Why might that be? | |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | lots of people bringing in RDA records that aren't displayed properly. |
| 23:49 | dcook | What does displayed properly mean though? |
| 23:50 | Thanks to bgkriegel and others who have worked on the frameworks, the new frameworks should have up to date tags | |
| 23:50 | wizzyrea | it's not about the frameworks. |
| 23:50 | dcook | (Although their hidden attributes might need to be edited so that data isn't lost when a record is opened and saved again) |
| 23:50 | The templates then? | |
| 23:50 | wizzyrea | mostly the XSLT's |
| 23:51 | dcook | I did add in the 336, 337, 338, and 264 into our XSLT recently |
| 23:51 | I haven't heard about what other tags people are wanting though | |
| 23:51 | wizzyrea | I'm hoping to get people to file bugs about it. |
| 23:52 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 23:52 | That would be awesome :) | |
| 23:52 | I took a gander a while ago at the Library of Congress catalogue, but the only thing I noticed were the 336,337,338 | |
| 23:53 | They probably had handling for the 264 as well | |
| 23:53 | The second indicator does help in terms of figuring out what to display for label text (provided they've been catalogued according to spec) | |
| 23:53 | * dcook | tries to find some RDA records in LoC |
| 23:54 | dcook | I've noticed they don't display 336,337,338 in the brief record. Only the full record tab. |
| 23:54 | http://lccn.loc.gov/2013032917 | |
| 23:55 | And the permalink I guess.. | |
| 23:57 | Projected publication date of 1310, eh? | |
| 23:59 | wizzyrea | there are some changes as to how authors are catalogued as well |
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