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| 02:12 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City - returned from babysitting |
| 02:13 | jcamins | thd: you're the only one who remembered the meeting, I think. |
| 02:13 | * dcook | certainly didn't |
| 02:13 | thd | jcammins: Do you mean that the meeting has not yet started? |
| 02:13 | davidnind | Just waiting to see if anyone else is here. |
| 02:13 | jcamins | thd: right. |
| 02:13 | davidnind | Not yet |
| 02:14 | JDatTeTakere_ | I've had terrible trouble getting into IRC |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Someone could go ahead and chair it if they so desired. |
| 02:14 | davidnind | Who would like to chair? |
| 02:14 | Agenda is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_7_August_2013 | |
| 02:14 | jcamins | I just passed through on my way to signing off. |
| 02:15 | thd | I am here now and my friend's seven month old is sleeping soundly. |
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| 02:19 | thd | This is always a difficult meeting hour. It is a good time for too much of the ocean and has not encouraged enough participation from parts of the land for which it ought to be good. |
| 02:20 | davidnind | Should we start anyway? If there are enough people here.... (A short meeting is always a good one!) |
| 02:21 | thd | Someone who knows the meeting commands should start. |
| 02:21 | JDatTeTakere_ | I don't know the commands sorry |
| 02:21 | davidnind | I can give it a crack - have the list of commands up on my screen https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot |
| 02:22 | #startmeeting | |
| 02:22 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 02:22 | huginn` | davidnind: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 02:22 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 02:22 | davidnind | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 7 August 2013 |
| 02:22 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 02:22:46 2013 UTC. The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:22 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 02:22 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:22 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_7_august_2013' |
| 02:23 | davidnind | #topic Introductions - use #info |
| 02:23 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions - use #info (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:23 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ |
| 02:23 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Cordoba, Argentina |
| 02:23 | JDatTeTakere_ | #info JD (Joanne Dillon) at Te Takere, Levin, NZ |
| 02:23 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 02:24 | dcook | #info David Langston-Cook, Sydney, Australia |
| 02:25 | davidnind | At least there are a few of us here! |
| 02:25 | #topic Announcements | |
| 02:25 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:25 | davidnind | Does any one have any announcements? |
| 02:26 | There is one from NZ - a New Zealand user group meeting is being planned for 21 November in Auckland, hosted by Plant and Food | |
| 02:26 | JDatTeTakere_ | Fantastic news David |
| 02:27 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Seattle USA |
| 02:27 | davidnind | I'm not involved in organising it, it has been announced on Twitter with registrations of interest required |
| 02:28 | JDatTeTakere_ | ok |
| 02:28 | davidnind | Ok then, do we have any release maintainers to talk about updates? Otherwise we can skip. |
| 02:28 | bgkriegel | All is well on 3.10.x |
| 02:29 | davidnind | #topic Update on releases |
| 02:29 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:29 | * cjh | sneaks in |
| 02:29 | cjh | All is well, if a little behind, on 3.8.x |
| 02:29 | davidnind | Great |
| 02:29 | We really just started the meeting, so no problem cjh | |
| 02:30 | cjh | and tcohen isn't here. |
| 02:31 | davidnind | Anyone else on release updates? There was the security release and monthly updates fro 3.6, 3.8, 3.10 and 3.12. |
| 02:31 | Good work on those responsible for the security release releases too | |
| 02:32 | gmcharlt | #action Every Koha installation will install the relevant security release ASAP |
| 02:33 | #info Koha security release announcement can be found at http://koha-community.org/secu[…]elease-july-2013/ | |
| 02:34 | davidnind: ready for an update on 3.14? | |
| 02:34 | davidnind | Go ahead with 3.14 update |
| 02:34 | gmcharlt | #info Blog update on 3.14 will be posted by the end of the week |
| 02:34 | #info gmcharlt's current focus is testing some of the bigger enhancements in the queue, notably bug 7688 | |
| 02:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies |
| 02:34 | gmcharlt | #info also working on getting the DBIx::Class branch ready for QA and pushing |
| 02:35 | #info Calling for testing and signoff of pending patches, most notably UNIMARC patches | |
| 02:35 | * gmcharlt | was channeling cait with that last one |
| 02:35 | gmcharlt | questions for me? |
| 02:35 | davidnind | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 02:36 | #topic Kohacon 2013 | |
| 02:36 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon 2013 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:36 | dcook | Ack |
| 02:36 | I was just going to ask gmcharlt if there is a RFC or any bugs looking forward to making Koha compatible with other metadata formats | |
| 02:36 | davidnind | Go ahead dcook |
| 02:36 | gmcharlt | dcook: not yet, but in the next couple weeks |
| 02:37 | dcook | Cool. I'm sure more specific questions can wait until then |
| 02:38 | davidnind | Is there anyone here able to talk to Kohacon 2013 - only 2 1/2 months away now! |
| 02:39 | Ok, moving on the next item.... | |
| 02:39 | #topic Kohacon 2014 | |
| 02:39 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon 2014 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:39 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, Sydney - sorry I'm late, caught out by start time |
| 02:40 | davidnind | No problems, we started late as there is hardly anyone here. |
| 02:40 | A message went out about Kohacon 2014 - don't think nominations close until September | |
| 02:41 | #topic Global bug squashing day | |
| 02:41 | Topic for #koha is now Global bug squashing day (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:42 | davidnind | I think this is just a reminder - this happening this Friday. For details see: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 02:43 | gmcharlt | LET NO BUG OCCUPY MORE THAN TWO DIMENSIONS! |
| 02:44 | BobB | so be it! |
| 02:44 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 02:44 | thd | What is a one dimensional bug? |
| 02:44 | gmcharlt | thd: typo bugs, of course |
| 02:45 | thd | We have often declared those to be features :} |
| 02:46 | ... when patching by leaving the typo in place. | |
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| 02:51 | BobB | Has David lost his connection? |
| 02:51 | JDatTeTakere_ | It seems so |
| 02:52 | thd | We should wait a few minutes more for him to possibly recover. |
| 02:53 | BobB | standing by |
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| 02:56 | davidnind | Looks like I dropped out - was having a conversation with myself. Apologies for that! |
| 02:56 | thd | Welcome back. |
| 02:56 | wahanui | I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 02:56 | davidnind | #topic Next meeting |
| 02:56 | Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 7 August 2013) | |
| 02:56 | thd | I propose 11 September. |
| 02:57 | davidnind | According to my calculations it is 18:00 UTC, would suggest 4th or 11th September |
| 02:57 | thd | 4 Sep, has a potential conflict for me. |
| 02:58 | davidnind | Lets make it 11 September then |
| 02:58 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 02:58 | thd | +1 |
| 02:58 | JDatTeTakere_ | +1 |
| 02:58 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 02:59 | davidnind | 11 September at 18:00 UTC then. |
| 02:59 | s/be it is then! | |
| 02:59 | Unless anyone has anymore items I'll close the meeting | |
| 03:00 | Thanks for everyone's attendance, particularly for those where it is an aweful hour. | |
| 03:00 | #endmeeting | |
| 03:00 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 7 August 2013 at 02:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
| 03:00 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 03:00:47 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 03:00 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-07-02.22.html | |
| 03:00 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-08-07-02.22.txt | |
| 03:00 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-02.22.log.html | |
| 03:01 | davidnind | And now I can breathe a sigh of relief, thanks for everyone making it easy to chair! Apologies for any errors etc... |
| 03:01 | JDatTeTakere_ | Thanks for stepping up David |
| 03:01 | gmcharlt | davidnind++ |
| 03:02 | JDatTeTakere_ | Are you going to the NZ User Group meeting? |
| 03:02 | davidnind | A bit nerve wracking, especially when you lose connection! |
| 03:02 | thd | davidrind: Even with your timeout we had an especially short meeting. |
| 03:02 | davidnind | I intend to at this stage |
| 03:03 | It is probably because everyone is asleep...or busy | |
| 03:03 | JDatTeTakere_ | Not sure if I can but I'll find out. I am going to KohaCon13 and will only have been back a few weeks |
| 03:04 | * thd | prepares for laundry and green goop removal. |
| 03:06 | davidnind | Would like to go to KohaCon, but don't think I will be at this stage |
| 03:06 | JDatTeTakere_ | It's a long way to go...I'm very lucky. Excited!! |
| 03:07 | davidnind | The only announcement so far for the NZ user group meeting is on Twitter, with registration of interest to library at plantandfood.co.nz |
| 03:07 | Envious - will need to start saving now for the next one, wherever that may be... | |
| 03:09 | dcook | Cordoba, let's hope ;) |
| 03:09 | bgkriegel | hehe :) |
| 03:10 | davidnind | Cheers everyone - back to work for me now. |
| 03:10 | bgkriegel | Ok, time to sleep, by all |
| 03:11 | davidnind left #koha | |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | does anyone remember where batch biblio modification got to? |
| 03:20 | rangi | failed qa, or in discussion i think |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | I thought it was in development but it seems to have gone away |
| 03:20 | aha | |
| 03:20 | dcook | Ooo, that would be a nice one |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | ah 5725 |
| 03:21 | bug 5725 | |
| 03:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios |
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| 03:29 | dcook | Doesn't look like the coyote got to eat much |
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| 06:43 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:43 | * cait1 | waves back |
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| 06:48 | cait1 | brb |
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| 07:02 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 07:06 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:08 | magnuse | bonjour christophe_c et drojf |
| 07:08 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:11 | dcook | hey all |
| 07:11 | night all | |
| 07:11 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:11 | dcook | :) |
| 07:12 | drojf | rda workshop at the german national library! yay! ;) |
| 07:14 | christophe_c | bonjour magnuse |
| 07:14 | magnuse | drojf: wow, waste of time? |
| 07:14 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:14 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:14 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:14 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 14.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:15 | drojf | magnuse: apparently they switched rooms because so many people want to go. so they have room for some more now |
| 07:16 | * drojf | is not going :) |
| 07:17 | magnuse | yeah, who doesn't want a day off from work? ;-) |
| 07:17 | * magnuse | is not a fan of rda |
| 07:17 | drojf | lol |
| 07:18 | * magnuse | is not a fan of "library technology" |
| 07:18 | drojf | librarian technology ;) |
| 07:18 | magnuse | yeah |
| 07:18 | drojf | @quote 123 |
| 07:18 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 07:18 | huginn` | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 07:18 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 07:18 | huginn` | drojf: I suck |
| 07:19 | drojf | 123technology |
| 07:19 | magnuse | lol |
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| 07:33 | magnuse | hiya bigbrovar paul_p kf |
| 07:35 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 07:35 | hi #koha | |
| 07:36 | drojf | hi kf |
| 07:36 | kf | hi drojf .) |
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| 07:50 | * magnuse | had "Terrine au pastis de Provence" for breakfast this morning |
| 07:54 | kf | hm pastis ;) |
| 07:59 | bgkriegel++ tcohen++ | |
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| 09:07 | kf | hm dcook is sleeping |
| 09:07 | how unfortunate | |
| 09:23 | magnuse | lazy antipodeans ;-) |
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| 12:30 | tcohen | good morning #koha |
| 12:31 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
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| 12:33 | kf | release schedule |
| 12:33 | wahanui | it has been said that release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 12:34 | oleonard | Hi #koha, sorry I missed the meeting. |
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| 12:37 | drojf | oh. meeting? |
| 12:37 | ah, the one with the crazy time | |
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| 12:39 | * magnuse | thinks whoever comes up with an enh for displaying "new stuff" on the front page will earn a lot of gratitude... |
| 12:40 | drojf | magnuse: public report + some javascript? |
| 12:40 | kf | magnuse: i think wizzyrea was onto something using JSON |
| 12:40 | drojf: yep | |
| 12:41 | drojf | oh, that was a small and short meeting |
| 12:42 | at least short in log | |
| 12:42 | oleonard | That time of day isn't terrible for me if I remember it. Not ideal, however. |
| 12:44 | magnuse | drojf, kf: sounds good, but it should be just a syspref or two... |
| 12:44 | drojf | magnuse: patches welcome :) |
| 12:44 | :P | |
| 12:44 | oleonard | @quote add <gmcharlt> LET NO BUG OCCUPY MORE THAN TWO DIMENSIONS! |
| 12:44 | huginn` | oleonard: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 12:45 | oleonard | What the heck, I thought I was identified |
| 12:45 | @quote add <gmcharlt> LET NO BUG OCCUPY MORE THAN TWO DIMENSIONS! | |
| 12:45 | huginn` | oleonard: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 12:45 | oleonard | *sigh* |
| 12:45 | drojf | somebody doesn't like oleonard |
| 12:46 | magnuse | drojf: :-) |
| 12:46 | oleonard | It must be nickserv, who lies when he says "You are successfully identified as oleonard" |
| 12:46 | drojf | or huginn` is drunk and looks at the wrong guy |
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| 12:47 | drojf | magnuse: the problem i see is that you could come up with a lot of options for that, depending on the library |
| 12:48 | magnuse | yup, so two sysprefs and lots of flexibility is ideal ;-) |
| 12:49 | drojf | do we have sample reports for the public reports thingy? |
| 12:49 | it could use one by default and say "come up with the report, the rest is done automatically" | |
| 12:49 | (if you want somethign else than standard) | |
| 12:49 | *something | |
| 12:50 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 11 September 2013 at 18:00 UTC. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
| 12:51 | mtj | magnuse, CALYX have a new-books thing coming for opac… |
| 12:51 | * magnuse | is all ears |
| 12:53 | magnuse | yay |
| 12:55 | mtj | ill submit it to BZ next week |
| 12:56 | drojf | a real database manual would say "developing a database". a filemaker manual says "thinking like a developer". i think that is appropriate. no sane database developer would use filemaker. the ms paint of database land. |
| 12:58 | jcamins | drojf: I don't think that's quite right. |
| 12:58 | The real MS Paint of database land was made by the makers of MS Paint. | |
| 12:59 | oleonard | The MacPaint of database land? |
| 12:59 | jcamins | oleonard: that sounds about right. |
| 12:59 | tcohen | why isn't the build_holds_queue.pl cronjob enabled by default on packages? |
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| 13:02 | drojf | jcamins oleonard LOL ok you are right |
| 13:05 | druthb | kf! drojf! :D |
| 13:05 | mtj | i just used this method to fix koha's 'rising' footer problem -> http://www.cssstickyfooter.com[…]-footer-code.html |
| 13:06 | oleonard | What is the 'rising' footer problem? |
| 13:06 | drojf | i thought it was a feature i don't like |
| 13:06 | druthb! | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | What problem/feature? |
| 13:07 | mtj | its where the footer often sits midway up the page, on opac-main.pl |
| 13:07 | ...rather than sitting at the bottom | |
| 13:07 | jcamins | mtj: I think that's by design. |
| 13:07 | mtj | :) |
| 13:08 | oleonard | mtj can you show an example? |
| 13:09 | mtj | for me, the footer is not at the bottom of the page - but 75% down |
| 13:10 | (thats not quite where i want my footer to be) | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Yeah that's just the way it is. |
| 13:10 | So making it sticky is fine, it's just not something that should be working but isn't | |
| 13:10 | mtj | (bug or design-feature?) |
| 13:11 | ok, sticky is fine | |
| 13:13 | heres a 'fixed' version of that footer, using that method | |
| 13:14 | (always at teh bottom) | |
| 13:15 | oleonard | mtj I wonder if that's what is triggering a horizontal scrollbar? |
| 13:15 | Do you get that too? | |
| 13:16 | mtj | yeah, i do actually (just noticed) |
| 13:17 | ill see if i can fix that | |
| 13:18 | so, this is a bug that i am fixing here, folks | |
| 13:19 | or a feature.. by design ? | |
| 13:19 | oleonard | mtj: You are changing the default behavior of the footer to suit your needs |
| 13:20 | drojf | oleonard: that has not been the default behaviour for me until recently |
| 13:20 | jcamins | drojf: really? That's been the way Koha has always behaved for me. |
| 13:20 | drojf | not for me |
| 13:20 | mtj | its always been that way |
| 13:21 | drojf | something changed for me, not long ago |
| 13:21 | jcamins | I asked a year or two ago about changing it, and oleonard explained that the static footer was on the staff client and not the OPAC because the staff client is more like a "web application," and the OPAC more like a website. |
| 13:21 | Or something like that. | |
| 13:21 | mtj | lol |
| 13:22 | oleonard | jcamins is correctly repeating the original rationale for that decision |
| 13:22 | mtj | all i see is a footer sitting halfway up a page |
| 13:23 | jcamins | mtj: if your footer is not colored, it actually makes sense... it's a short page, so all the content is near the top. |
| 13:23 | oleonard | So it's good that you're trying to change it in your situation, and you're welcome to argue that it should be the default behavior |
| 13:27 | mtj | yeah, i guess a syspref is needed for both behaviour |
| 13:28 | oleonard | Or we could just decide to change it for everyone |
| 13:28 | It's the exact thing I was just working on in the new Bootstrap OPAC | |
| 13:28 | ...and wondering whether it should be fixed or not. | |
| 13:29 | drojf | one thing i hate about fixed footers is messing up the browser's search function. |
| 13:29 | i don't know if that is still a problem though | |
| 13:29 | and if it is to be considered a browser problem | |
| 13:30 | oleonard | I don't know about that one drojf. What's the problem? |
| 13:30 | mtj | oleonard, my hunch is that more people want it 'fixed', than not.. |
| 13:31 | drojf | when you use ctrl+f to search in the browser and the footer is on top of where your result would be |
| 13:31 | kf | drojf: haven't read all but i agree about the footer -i think it leaset in staff it was different and now it does it there too |
| 13:32 | drojf: behaving unsticky... /me goes back to writing an article about koha she has not much inspiration for yet | |
| 13:32 | hm actually... there is inspiration... just the words are not really flowing .) | |
| 13:32 | drojf | kf: yes i was wondering if what changed for me was in staff. i have no koah here to test. i only know it came, then went away again and came back. but that may just be me jumping around in git |
| 13:34 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 13:34 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 28.2°C (8:34 AM CDT on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 13:34 | oleonard | The footer in the staff client changed a little when we added Bootstrap. Could that be it? I tried to duplicate the behavior we had before, so if it's acting differently I would like to know how. |
| 13:35 | * druthb | sighs. |
| 13:35 | drojf | oleonard: i will try to remember having a look at home |
| 13:35 | mtj | drojf, does this page have your cntl+f bug -> http://www.cssstickyfooter.com[…]-footer-code.html |
| 13:37 | drojf | mtj: i don't see a footer there :) |
| 13:37 | kf | oleonard: i thin it is acting differently |
| 13:37 | oleonard: i noticed on some of the popups especially... hm, that it was up | |
| 13:38 | oleonard: closer to the top instead of sticking to the bottom | |
| 13:38 | mtj | drojf, its the grey bit - at the bottom of the page :) |
| 13:45 | drojf | mtj: oh, i was expecting something more hover-y. i only see it when i scroll all the way down. that won't be a problem. or should i see it regardless of where i am on the page? then it may be me blocking some javascript |
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| 13:46 | oleonard | drojf: The point is that it sticks to the bottom of the page even if you don't have enough content to push it that far down |
| 13:48 | That page needs a demo so that it's clear what it does | |
| 13:48 | drojf | i fail to understand how i would check that with mtj's example that has way more content than my monitor is capable of showing :) |
| 13:48 | oleonard | Exactly. |
| 13:49 | This page is a little better, depending on the size of your screen: http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ | |
| 13:49 | mtj | yeah, its a bad demo :) |
| 13:50 | but you can resize/zoom you window, to show it works.. | |
| 13:51 | ie: zoom-out | |
| 13:53 | drojf | ok i see what it does :) no, that is not a problem. it's only a problem if it hovers on top of everything, which i think the staff client does or did at some point |
| 13:53 | have to reboot. lol windows lol | |
| 13:53 | ;) | |
| 13:56 | oleonard | The staff client language chooser indeed overlays the page content, though I see it takes up a little too much space below about 1000 pixels wide |
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| 13:57 | kf | khall++ for the holds queue explanation |
| 13:59 | oleonard | Actually it's the overlay-page-content behavior that was deemed too "application-like" in the original 3.0 OPAC, not a 'sticky' footer |
| 14:00 | Too bad Bootstrap doesn't offer the "sticky" behavior as an option out of the box. | |
| 14:01 | mtj | yes, and yes :) |
| 14:01 | hopefully that method works with BS too ^^ | |
| 14:01 | oleonard | http://twitter.github.io/boots[…]ticky-footer.html |
| 14:02 | mtj | awesome |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Oh it's in Bootstrap 3 |
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| 14:51 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7257: Add a link to remove an individual title from a list in the OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]006fe5763ffa2a090> |
| 14:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #27 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 14:59 | * oleonard | cheers Bug 7257 |
| 14:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
| 14:59 | drojf | "this routine may sound contrived, but it's fairly common among filemaker pros." |
| 15:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1347 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 13 days ago) |
| 15:05 | jcamins | drojf: don't give up your day job. |
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| 15:19 | drojf | jcamins: unfortunately that is one of my dayjobs |
| 15:21 | jcamins | drojf: in that case, I hope your audience is composed solely of jesters and morticians, who naturally would not expect to be amused.. |
| 15:21 | :P | |
| 15:22 | ("don't give up your day job" is a colloquial way to say "that thing you just did (telling a joke, singing a song, whatever) was not very good, so you won't make money as a comedian/singer/whatever) | |
| 15:22 | *") | |
| 15:22 | drojf | oh. LOL. no. using filemaker is part of my job. that sentence is from a book about filemaker. and it sums up filemaker nicely :( |
| 15:23 | jcamins | I figured, but "Filemaker pros" is also a pun, and I felt it needed some recognition. |
| 15:23 | drojf | true :D |
| 15:24 | jcamins | For example, someone pointing out was dreadful. :P |
| 15:33 | oleonard | Okay, the language-chooser in the new Bootstrap OPAC will be sticky but not fixed. |
| 15:36 | The language chooser pop-up menu seems to work in IE7, IE9, and IE10, based on IE10's "browser mode" tool. (wtf, IE8?) | |
| 15:36 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #27: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/27/ |
| 15:36 | Owen Leonard: Bug 7257: Add a link to remove an individual title from a list in the OPAC | |
| 15:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
| 15:37 | drojf | oleonard: but IE8 is my favourite IE! :P |
| 15:39 | oleonard | IE6 would have been my favorite if it hadn't overstayed its welcome by 8000 years. |
| 15:39 | drojf | lol |
| 15:40 | oh, i am on windows. let's see what an ie i really have | |
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| 15:40 | drojf | looks like someone who installed that thing made sure nobody will find IE anywhere |
| 15:40 | ah, found it | |
| 15:41 | oleonard | What version of Windows are you using? |
| 15:41 | drojf | OK, i have seen an IE10 now. |
| 15:41 | windows 7 | |
| 15:41 | wahanui | somebody said windows 7 was starting to tick me off |
| 15:41 | drojf | it says it's updating automatically |
| 15:42 | and it has just been started for the secons time ever | |
| 15:42 | the first time was when i downloaded firefox after installing windows | |
| 15:43 | oops, i accidentally just threw the IE link into the trash | |
| 15:43 | i would not want poor coworkers to stumble over that | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | oops, I accidentally just set the trash on fire |
| 15:44 | jcamins | drojf: people say IE is a useless browser, but I've always disagreed. IE is the most useful browser on Windows: it enables you to get Chrome or Firefox. |
| 15:44 | drojf | that is correct |
| 15:44 | it has its special purpose | |
| 15:45 | and it is ok in that :D | |
| 15:45 | oleonard | There's really nothing like that feeling of firing up IE to download another browser. |
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| 16:09 | drojf | i'd like a keychainsaw |
| 16:10 | and a keychain jetpack to get home in a cool way | |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | we live in the future! we're supposed to have aircars that fold into briefcases by now! |
| 16:11 | drojf | true. but there is not even the hoverboard that back to the future promised us |
| 16:12 | oleonard | And robots never started WWIII! What a rip-off! |
| 16:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1347: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1347/ |
| 16:12 | Owen Leonard: Bug 7257: Add a link to remove an individual title from a list in the OPAC | |
| 16:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7257 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a link to remove an individual title from a list |
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| 16:18 | oleonard | Bleargh, I hate pagination_bar. Building HTML in a .pm is a terrible idea. |
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| 16:32 | oleonard | Who is committer "plg" ? |
| 16:33 | Oh, Pierrick LE GALL | |
| 16:33 | that's some old code | |
| 16:35 | * oleonard | wonders how much he would have to talk to himself to break the old record |
| 16:40 | rambutan | hi oleonard (to prevent the appearance of engaging oneself in conversation) |
| 16:47 | * cait | waves to oleonard |
| 16:48 | oleonard | You guys this new OPAC theme is looking pretty good if I do say so myself |
| 16:48 | rambutan | I wanna see it. |
| 16:49 | oleonard | wizzyrea's demo of it seems to be down at the moment |
| 16:50 | rambutan | do you have a link for later? |
| 16:50 | oleonard | http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/ |
| 16:50 | rambutan | tnx |
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| 18:01 | oleonard | I'm back. You can all start talking again. |
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| 18:26 | tcohen | cait did you have a chance to advance with those unit tests? |
| 18:26 | cait | not yet :( |
| 18:26 | right now on phone | |
| 18:26 | and watching my dinner get cold | |
| 18:27 | jcamins | cait: does it do something interesting while getting cold? |
| 18:27 | cait | no, just can't eat while on the phone |
| 18:28 | jcamins | Cut it into tiny pieces? |
| 18:28 | Then you'll only need to chew each bite a very little bit. | |
| 18:34 | cait | talking! :) |
| 18:35 | * druthb | wields wiffle-bat. |
| 18:40 | tcohen | oh |
| 18:40 | dinner + phone call + irc? | |
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| 18:53 | madcrow | hello kohaphiles |
| 18:53 | does anybody know how well a small koha instance would work on an amazon t1 micro instance | |
| 18:55 | jcamins | madcrow: if it's very low use, it'll be slow but usable. |
| 18:56 | Or, at least, that was true three years ago. I guess I haven't tried it since. | |
| 18:56 | madcrow | i'd predict no more than 5 or 6 users at a time |
| 18:56 | and that would be a peak usage level | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | Very low use = ~1 user. |
| 18:56 | madcrow | usually it would be less] |
| 18:57 | i'm just trying to decide whether it makes more sense to build a small server or to go with amazon | |
| 18:57 | pianohacker | madcrow: What sort of things will you be doing? Circulation, catalog searching, etc.? |
| 18:57 | Some parts of Koha are much more demanding than others :P | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | pianohacker: good point. OPAC is a lot heavier than circ. |
| 18:58 | madcrow | catalog searching (and initial cataloging) for now and eventually circulation |
| 18:58 | mjk | there. now i have my proper name |
| 18:59 | gmcharlt | mjk: how large is the collection? |
| 18:59 | mjk | between 10 and 15k volumes |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | mjk: personally, I'd go for a m1.small |
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| 19:39 | pianohacker | Is anyone here familiar with UNIMARC, and more specifically, the normalization logic in MARCfindbreeding in addbiblio.pl? |
| 19:42 | cait | sounds like a scary place |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | cait: There's a reason that while I'm studing the behavior of the existing cataloging interface very carefully, I am using absolutely no code from it |
| 19:43 | cait | heh |
| 20:02 | oleonard | pianohacker: I think I saw you mention me in the log when I looked up the meeting minutes but I didn't go back and look. Did you have a question for me? |
| 20:03 | pianohacker | uh, nothing important that comes to mind |
| 20:05 | oleonard: thanks anyways | |
| 20:06 | cait | pianohacker: minimizing javascript |
| 20:06 | pianohacker | oh right |
| 20:06 | thanks cait | |
| 20:06 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 20:06 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.5°C (9:43 PM CEST on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:07 | pianohacker | oleonard: Was curious if you had a preferred minimizer that you'd used for Koha, just ended up using jscompress.com |
| 20:07 | @wunder 80401 | |
| 20:07 | huginn` | pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is 19.3°C (2:06 PM MDT on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:07 | pianohacker | goodness, the humidity lately |
| 20:08 | oleonard | pianohacker: I don't have a preferred one, no. I hear good things about UglifyJS and would like to eventually incorporate it into a formal JavaScript build process |
| 20:09 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 20:09 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 39.1°C (3:09 PM CDT on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 20:09 | druthb | whoa. |
| 20:10 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:10 | pianohacker | oleonard: formal build process sounds like an excellent idea. Now that we have a nice fast plack opac, bundling our CSS and JS would be nice |
| 20:11 | druthb | @wunder konstanz |
| 20:11 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (10:00 PM CEST on August 07, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:12 | pianohacker | druthb: good god. |
| 20:13 | drojf | druthb has some fun weather out there |
| 20:13 | those poor skittles… | |
| 20:13 | druthb | for some value of "fun." If you like *living* in a sauna. |
| 20:13 | jcamins | pianohacker: which Plack configuration are you using? I imagine Jessie has pretty much everything you might want packaged. |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | damn straight I have everything you'd need packaged |
| 20:15 | *wiggles eyebrows* | |
| 20:15 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | jcamins: But seriously, haven't tried that yet :) Is there something in the Plack config to bundle all of our CSS/JS into a single request? |
| 20:16 | two requests, of course, but nonetheless | |
| 20:16 | drojf | omg, firefox 23 got rid of <blink>? best part of html ever. :( |
| 20:18 | jcamins | pianohacker: I believe there is, but I was just wondering if you were using Starman, Plack, or... |
| 20:18 | And I don't use Plack for static content. | |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | gotcha |
| 20:18 | * druthb | chucks Skittles at drojf. |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | blinking skittles? |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | druthb: there's always the marquee tag |
| 20:18 | er, rather, drojf ^^ | |
| 20:19 | pianohacker | I was tempted to find the irssi blink keyboard shortcut, but didn't want a ban enough |
| 20:19 | cait | marquee tag? |
| 20:20 | druthb | drojf: If you really miss <blink>, you could do it with JS: http://www.htmlmarquee.com/blink.html |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | cait: http://zadi.librarypolice.com/~gmc/ |
| 20:21 | cait | aaaaw |
| 20:22 | drojf | lol druthb |
| 20:22 | cait | we should have a new opac template using marquee all over... |
| 20:22 | druthb | cait! |
| 20:22 | ew! | |
| 20:22 | * gmcharlt | hears screaming from Athens, OH |
| 20:22 | drojf | druthb: that goes great together with ff23 hiding the option to diable javascript! :( |
| 20:23 | druthb | poor oleonard. |
| 20:23 | drojf | *disable |
| 20:23 | * druthb | gets out the wiffle bat again. |
| 20:23 | jcamins | drojf: why would they do that? |
| 20:23 | drojf | jcamins: i don't know. and i disapprove |
| 20:24 | jcamins | I guess everyone just uses noscript. |
| 20:24 | drojf | you can do it in about:config. why would i want to search the entrails of my browser for that? :( |
| 20:24 | heh yeah i was just wondering if that is the reason | |
| 20:24 | oleonard | Because regular folks don't want to disable JavaScript but do want an inferior Firebug clone built in. |
| 20:24 | * drojf | does not use noscript |
| 20:25 | jcamins | I use noscript. |
| 20:25 | And requestpolicy. | |
| 20:25 | druthb | http://www.southparkstudios.co[…]ath-by-wiffle-bat |
| 20:25 | drojf | oleonard: haha yeah that thing sucks. they tried to make us use it at the firefoxos appday. "but, hm, of course you can also use firebug if you like" |
| 20:26 | jcamins: i use requestpolicy | |
| 20:26 | well, there is noscript in the tor browser. | |
| 20:26 | i don't really trust it | |
| 20:28 | * oleonard | hadn't heard of requestpolicy |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, I was wondering about that developer tool. Is it useful in some way that I have failed to recognize? |
| 20:28 | Because I find it absolutely worthless. | |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Every time I try to use it (usually because I clicked the wrong "inspect" menu item) I get frustrated that it doesn't do something Firebug does |
| 20:29 | jcamins | oleonard: requestpolicy is great. The only way to get rid of Facebook. |
| 20:29 | And Twitter. | |
| 20:29 | wahanui | it has been said that twitter is quite invasive of culture. :) |
| 20:29 | jcamins | And Google plus, too. |
| 20:29 | But Facebook is the worst. | |
| 20:29 | "Hi, I see you did a Google search for 'why won't the bloody edges just link already?'. I will post that to Facebook." | |
| 20:30 | drojf | ok, then it is not just me ragrding the dev thing. i just don't understand how to do qanything i would like to do woth it. i gave up, guessing that it can't do things i want to do |
| 20:30 | *regarding | |
| 20:30 | woah my typing is great | |
| 20:31 | oh, but ff23 has great new "social" things now | |
| 20:31 | * oleonard | dashes off |
| 20:31 | drojf | it sounded like what jcamins just described ;) |
| 20:32 | jcamins | Hey... is it just me or do we have an ff23 variable in one of our cataloging plugins? |
| 20:33 | Or something very similar. | |
| 20:33 | Pretty sure we do. | |
| 20:33 | * jcamins | weeps. |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | for normarc 008, yeah :) |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Most horrible thing ever. |
| 20:33 | pianohacker | fun times: [theo]:~/p/koha> wc -l koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/normarc_field_008.tt |
| 20:33 | 4520 koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/value_builder/normarc_field_008.tt | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | (the most horrible thing ever being that I knew that) |
| 20:35 | * pianohacker | would like this opportunity to mention ag, the silver searcher, and its ability to bring kittens and puppies down from the heavens when run on an SSD |
| 20:37 | jcamins | pianohacker: intriguing. |
| 20:37 | pianohacker | jcamins: Can search the entire Koha code base for f23 in under a second |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 20:38 | Not packaged for Ubuntu Precise. | |
| 20:40 | But here's a PPA. | |
| 20:41 | For raring only. | |
| 20:42 | So much for that. | |
| 20:42 | pianohacker | updates are slow these days, may be worth just building from source |
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| 21:57 | wizzyrea | for fun, anybody who's around, please click on the link up there for the responsive demo? |
| 21:57 | cait | hm link? |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | nope, you'll have to backscroll :P |
| 21:57 | cait | oh don't be mean :) |
| 21:58 | i am trying to write unit tests! | |
| 22:00 | preety | |
| 22:00 | pretty | |
| 22:01 | hm | |
| 22:01 | rangi | nice and fast too |
| 22:01 | cait | what's that thing on the left from Cart? |
| 22:01 | and it does look really nice :) | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | yea, some idiot in chicago was performing a search every 2 seconds, then spidering every result and downloading every format of record. |
| 22:01 | cait | can make it really small too |
| 22:02 | * wizzyrea | had nothing to do with how nice it looks |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | hey moron, go get the records from gutenberg, that's where I got em. |
| 22:04 | jcamins | cait: an artifact that oleonard hasn't removed yet. |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | well it's the bit that shows the number of things in your cart |
| 22:04 | It should show 0 | |
| 22:04 | looks ok when there's stuff in the cart | |
| 22:07 | cait | hm |
| 22:07 | is it me or does Cancelreserve not return anything useful? | |
| 22:09 | or AddReserve... while we are on it | |
| 22:18 | yay | |
| 22:18 | 23 tests pass | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 22:39 | mtj | oooh, responsive is looking real nice |
| 22:40 | very sooothing... | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | it's rather low contrast really, but those colors come from CCSR |
| 22:43 | mtj | yep, but its a nice blank canvas for skinning/theming |
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