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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | dolphin and deluxe? |
| 00:00 | tcohen | wizzyrea: it was not my idea, unfortunately |
| 00:00 | dcook | I think I'm in deluxe.. |
| 00:01 | wizzyrea | is that like saying "my mom thinks I'm cool?" |
| 00:01 | tcohen | i hold the copyright for the test borrowers |
| 00:01 | wizzyrea | oh I misread, i thought that said "I think I'm deluxe" |
| 00:01 | heh | |
| 00:01 | tcohen | heh |
| 00:01 | dcook | lol |
| 00:02 | Hey, this one looks like you poindexter! | |
| 00:02 | I don't know if there is ever enough Simpsons.. | |
| 00:02 | * dcook | says having not seen the show in nearly a decade |
| 00:02 | * tcohen | says the same about south park |
| 00:03 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 00:03 | dcook | wizzyrea: Now I really want to draw a comic where the character looks downtrodden and says "I think I'm deluxe..." |
| 00:03 | * dcook | says having very little drawing ability |
| 00:03 | dcook | night tcohen. Glad you got your flight! |
| 00:03 | tcohen | :-d |
| 00:05 | * dcook | realizes that he hasn't seen eythian around in a while |
| 00:05 | dcook | Did he take a trip recently? |
| 00:05 | wizzyrea | he's on holiday |
| 00:06 | dcook | Mmm, so I'm not going insane |
| 00:06 | I seem to remember a vague mention of it | |
| 00:11 | mtompset | Greetings, rangi dcook wizzyrea tcohen and anyone else I missed. :) |
| 00:11 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 00:13 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 00:17 | mtompset | Dumb question... what are facets? |
| 00:18 | dcook | Mmm, potentially long answer, but short answer...the things on the left sidebar in the search results |
| 00:18 | jcamins | mtompset: do a search on the OPAC that brings up multiple results. |
| 00:18 | The box on the left has facets. | |
| 00:18 | Rather, displays facets. | |
| 00:19 | * jcamins | is designing facets right now. |
| 00:19 | mtompset | So, facets are things you can group or filter by? |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea | filter really. |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Filter, basically. |
| 00:20 | dcook | I think the Koha word is "limit" |
| 00:20 | They act similarly to parts of the Advanced Search, I believe | |
| 00:21 | mtompset | I'm just hunting down where I need to patch so the count for the hidden items is properly accounted for in the results set, and that the "facets" are appropriate adjusted as well. |
| 00:21 | dcook | Sweet :) |
| 00:22 | mtompset | dcook: Only half sweet. If there is an OpacSuppression related problem to the count, I'm not fixing it. ;) |
| 00:22 | I only care about OpacHiddenItems at this time. :) | |
| 00:22 | dcook | Sounds good to me :) |
| 00:22 | Baby steps! | |
| 00:23 | * dcook | wonders at what point he should post his OAI-PMH work.. |
| 00:23 | mtompset | sooner is better than later, because otherwise you'll have to rebase it? ;) |
| 00:24 | dcook | Well, that shouldn't be too much of a concern I hope. |
| 00:24 | For the most part, it stands alone | |
| 00:24 | It only relies on MARC::Record and C4::ImportBatch | |
| 00:24 | And then only for the importing | |
| 00:25 | Well, HTTP::OAI::Harvester as well...that's pretty central, but I don't that's changing anytime soon | |
| 00:25 | Ok, and maybe it usees Class::Accessor as well :p | |
| 00:40 | jcamins | Class_Accessor++ |
| 00:41 | dcook | It's pretty awesome |
| 00:41 | I might've gotten the idea from those Query_Parser classes :p | |
| 00:46 | Excellent...I just exported my full dev catalogue in oai_dc, transformed it to MARC21, and now have it staged for import into the catalogue | |
| 00:46 | If I had "automatic importing on" it would've gone straight in... | |
| 00:46 | * dcook | cackles |
| 00:47 | dcook | Of course, I need to either set up a matching rule at the import level or do checks further back to make sure I'm not automatically re-importing existing records... |
| 00:48 | Because even if the harvest is done selectively using from/until dates...updated records will come in and those need to overlay existing records rather than being added as separate records... | |
| 00:56 | Oh excellent... | |
| 00:57 | It does a beautiful job of harvesting MARC21 records :) | |
| 00:57 | * dcook | hopes this could help cait out in the future |
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| 01:07 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) |
| 01:58 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 02:02 | @karma magnuse | |
| 02:02 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "magnuse" has been increased 249 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 249. |
| 02:02 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 02:02 | @karma magnuse | |
| 02:02 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "magnuse" has been increased 250 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 250. |
| 02:02 | dcook | ^_^ |
| 02:19 | wizzyrea | sometimes I wish it would be nice to impersonate another user in Koha |
| 02:19 | and then I think again. | |
| 02:19 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:27 | @karma wizzyrea | |
| 02:27 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 431 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 431. |
| 02:27 | dcook | \p/ |
| 02:27 | oh... | |
| 02:27 | \o/ | |
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| 04:37 | dcook | Hmm, maybe the 037 would be an all right field for a OAI identifier... |
| 04:38 | Or 024... | |
| 04:51 | Executive decision | |
| 04:51 | 024 | |
| 05:07 | Hmm...it should be indexed...yet the matching rule isn't working.. | |
| 05:12 | Hmm, apparently Zebra doesn't like hyphens | |
| 05:13 | That is...extremely annoying | |
| 05:19 | Hmm, looks like that's fixable.. | |
| 05:20 | Might not be an issue with DOM indexing anyway | |
| 05:25 | Hmm, now it looks like I'm crazy and it was working when I search Zebra.. | |
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| 05:43 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:44 | * cait | waves |
| 05:44 | dcook | hey cait :) |
| 05:56 | Gotta love when the creator of the ZOOM package thinks ZOOM is ridiculous.. | |
| 05:56 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Everyone's a critic" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156 |
| 06:00 | dcook | Let's see if I can find what query they've hidden in the object... |
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| 06:05 | dcook | I thought Perl was supposed to have awful encapsulation. Give me your secrets, ZOOM::Query... |
| 06:06 | Maybe I'm not trying to access it correctly.. | |
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| 06:16 | cait1 | morning dcook :) |
| 06:16 | dcook | morning cait1 :) |
| 06:17 | I think I've nearly got this OAI-PMH to a point where you could possibly use it with a Record matching rule for 001s? | |
| 06:17 | I'm just having trouble at the moment with record matching rules for the 024.. | |
| 06:29 | cait1 | dcook++ :) |
| 06:29 | @marc 024 | |
| 06:29 | huginn` | cait1: A standard number or code published on an item which cannot be accommodated in another field (e.g., field 020 (International Standard Book Number), 022 (International Standard Serial Number) , and 027 (Standard Technical Report Number)). The type of standard number or code is identified in the first indicator position or in subfield $2 (Source of number or code). (Repeatable) [a,c,d,z,2,6,8] |
| 06:29 | cait1 | oh |
| 06:29 | is that even indexed? | |
| 06:29 | dcook | Yep |
| 06:29 | If I query Zebra through yaz, I get results | |
| 06:29 | Nothing through Koha though O_o | |
| 06:29 | Maybe the index isn't in Search.pm though.. | |
| 06:30 | Oh man...that's probably it | |
| 06:31 | Hmm, even when I add it to the getIndexes in Search.pm, it still doesn't like it.. | |
| 06:32 | Works fine if I use PQF in Koha.. | |
| 06:32 | Must be something with the CCL2RPN translation.. | |
| 06:33 | Which is rather difficult to debug.. | |
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| 06:45 | dcook | I suppose it wouldn't be an issue if one were using the QueryParser, but still.. |
| 06:45 | Can't count on that | |
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| 06:56 | dcook | Hmm, 037 doesn't seem to work so hot either.. |
| 07:00 | What the.. | |
| 07:00 | wahanui | the is a stop word |
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| 07:04 | christophe_c joined #koha | |
| 07:04 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:04 | magnuse | bonjour! |
| 07:05 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:05 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:05 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:05 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 18.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:05 | magnuse | wow, 18, not bad |
| 07:05 | christophe_c | :) |
| 07:06 | sophie_m | hello magnuse, it's summer in Norway ! ;-) |
| 07:06 | magnuse | yup, it sure is :-) |
| 07:07 | and in marseille, i think? | |
| 07:07 | sophie_m | for sure |
| 07:09 | magnuse | it's weird - i think of marseille at quite a comfortable, with occasional warm days, i can't really imagine what +30 must be like... ;-) |
| 07:09 | s/comfortable/comfortable temperature/ | |
| 07:11 | sophie_m | you should come in summer once magnuse (bu only once ;-) ) |
| 07:12 | magnuse | yeah, it would be um, interesting ;-) |
| 07:12 | but august is the big holiday month, isn't it? | |
| 07:13 | rangi | awesomesauce |
| 07:13 | http://search.cpan.org/~nics/C[…]4/lib/Catmandu.pm | |
| 07:14 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 07:14 | rangi | hi paul_p |
| 07:15 | paul_p | hi rangi & everybody ! |
| 07:15 | magnuse | yeah, i was just drooling over http://librecat.org/ |
| 07:15 | hiya rangi and paul_p | |
| 07:18 | rangi | magnuse: i think koha + librecat could make semantikoha one step closer |
| 07:19 | magnuse | yeah, the mind boggles |
| 07:20 | rangi | or add elasticsearch to koha |
| 07:20 | lots of possiblities | |
| 07:21 | magnuse | ooh, imagine a workshop with the librecat folks and some koha folks... |
| 07:21 | rangi | yep, we should invite them to kohacon |
| 07:22 | magnuse | yeah, that would be super awesome |
| 07:23 | rangi | hmm this is almost too easy |
| 07:24 | export the marc | |
| 07:24 | use Catmandu::Importer::MARC; | |
| 07:24 | use Catmandu::Store::ElasticSearch; | |
| 07:24 | import | |
| 07:24 | my $store = Catmandu::Store::ElasticSearch->new(index_name => 'koha'); | |
| 07:25 | $store->bag->add_many($importer); | |
| 07:25 | $store->commit; | |
| 07:25 | kapow | |
| 07:25 | we have our marc records now in elasticsearch | |
| 07:25 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 07:27 | and i think maybe it can get records from oai-pmh too? | |
| 07:28 | rangi | yep |
| 07:28 | it can | |
| 07:30 | magnuse | if it could ingest marc, transform to rdf and store in a triplestore it would be great for semantikoha, but there is already marc2rdf which can do that, so that part is not the trickiest part of semantikoha |
| 07:30 | rangi | emailed patrik |
| 07:30 | +c | |
| 07:30 | magnuse | (but of course marc2rdf is written in ruby, and it would be cool to use somthing written in perl) |
| 07:30 | rangi | true |
| 07:31 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 07:31 | rangi | We provide importers for MARC, JSON, YAML, CSV, Excel but also Atom and OAI-PMH |
| 07:31 | * dcook | heard OAI-PMH |
| 07:31 | rangi | yep you should totally check it out |
| 07:32 | dcook | rangi: Who is we? |
| 07:32 | rangi | Catmandu provides exporters for BibTeX, CSV, JSON, RIS, XLS and YAML. If you need a special exporter for your own format you could use the Template exporter which uses Template Toolkit. |
| 07:32 | http://search.cpan.org/~nics/C[…]/Introduction.pod | |
| 07:33 | dcook | Hmm, interesting |
| 07:33 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 07:34 | magnuse | definitely good this time around |
| 07:35 | rangi | its the fix and the store i like |
| 07:35 | http://search.cpan.org/~nics/C[…]roduction.pod#Fix | |
| 07:38 | dcook | Hmm, I don't actually see any Cathmandu importer for OAI-PMH.. |
| 07:39 | I don't for MARC either for that matter | |
| 07:39 | magnuse | dcook: https://metacpan.org/module/Ca[…]du::Importer::OAI |
| 07:39 | dcook | Oh, there it is... |
| 07:39 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/search?[…]Catmandu&mode=all |
| 07:39 | dcook | Doesn't show up here http://search.cpan.org/~nics/Catmandu-0.5004/ |
| 07:39 | rangi | theres a lot |
| 07:39 | dcook | But could find it by searching |
| 07:39 | rangi | sru |
| 07:40 | z3950 | |
| 07:40 | arxiv | |
| 07:40 | ldap | |
| 07:41 | magnuse | $ catmandu import MARC to ElasticSearch --database_name mydb --bag data < records.mrc |
| 07:42 | from http://librecat.org/catmandu/2[…]-cheat-sheet.html | |
| 07:42 | rangi | too easy |
| 07:43 | dcook | Hmm, not sure what I think of Catmandu::Importer::OAI. Guess I'd have to look at it in action. |
| 07:44 | lol | |
| 07:44 | Looks like it's built on top of HTTP::OAI.. | |
| 07:44 | * cait1 | likes the logo :) |
| 07:44 | cait1 | and i will let you all figure out the technical parts ;) |
| 07:45 | dcook | Oh...interesting.. |
| 07:45 | This actually could be pretty good | |
| 07:45 | magnuse | ooh, there is even a tutorial for "Dancer & Catmandu" http://librecat.org/tutorial/dancer.html |
| 07:45 | dcook | HTTP::OAI is pretty bare bones |
| 07:45 | * magnuse | is sold |
| 07:45 | dcook | Actually, if this does what I think it does, I like it a lot :D |
| 07:46 | magnuse | perl4lib++ |
| 07:46 | dcook | I suppose it might be too user-friendly sometimes but meh. Looks like it could help a lot. |
| 07:47 | On an unrelated note, might anyone know why certain indexes don't pull up anything in Koha if you use CCL but they will if you use PQF? :S | |
| 07:51 | Or any advice on debugging core Perl modules... | |
| 07:51 | cait1 | you guys are fun to watch :) |
| 07:51 | dcook | (Or at least I assume what are core...) |
| 07:52 | rangi | dcook: dont waste time |
| 07:52 | on C4::Search | |
| 07:53 | instead use Koha::QueryParser | |
| 07:53 | and its sub modules | |
| 07:53 | dcook | I'm quite confident that would work |
| 07:53 | Since the QueryParser uses PQF | |
| 07:53 | When did the QueryParser come about? | |
| 07:54 | It's ZOOM that is annoying me at the moment.. | |
| 07:54 | C4::Search actually seems to be doing fine | |
| 07:54 | rangi | CCL is non deterministic |
| 07:54 | its a bad idea | |
| 07:54 | magnuse | bug 9239 |
| 07:54 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 07:54 | dcook | It's ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN is evil.. |
| 07:56 | Hmm | |
| 07:56 | I don't see any version numbers on the bug | |
| 07:56 | I'll assume just 3.12 then | |
| 07:56 | I've never actually gotten the QueryParser working | |
| 07:56 | Mind you, it's been a while since I've tried | |
| 07:57 | Or maybe I did get it working...just not for the other feature I was working on... | |
| 07:57 | rangi: How do you mean non-deterministic? | |
| 07:57 | rangi | its ambigious |
| 07:57 | dcook | Mmm, I think I follow now |
| 07:58 | Actually.. | |
| 07:58 | I'm not sure that I do | |
| 07:58 | Each "CCL" property should be mapped to Bib-1 attributes | |
| 07:59 | I suppose the operative word is "should" | |
| 07:59 | Wait a minute... | |
| 07:59 | I wonder if ZOOM even takes our CCL.properties into account | |
| 07:59 | Surely it must be used somewhere | |
| 08:01 | Hmm, koha-conf.xml looks like it should map that.. | |
| 08:02 | cait1 | dcook: in 3.12 all you have to do is switch the pref on |
| 08:02 | dcook: the query parser will work then | |
| 08:02 | i am only aware of one bug so far - that is about opacsuppression | |
| 08:02 | dcook | cait1: I must've been thinking of when jcamins suggested I use it elsewhere |
| 08:03 | cait1 | and not all of the spec was funded... sadly. so there are missing bits and pieces, but jared would know more of course |
| 08:03 | dcook | I looked over it with him quite a bit a while ago and it does look rather fantastic |
| 08:03 | cait1 | i tried it with our new llibrary, because i wanted to see how well it works - but the opacsuppression bug blocks me right now |
| 08:03 | dcook | Mmm |
| 08:03 | cait1 | yeah, we should really finish that work it would be awesome |
| 08:04 | dcook | I suppose when 3.12 starts becoming more prevalent that might start? |
| 08:04 | Well, if I ignore this record matching rule idea, I suppose I could do some database level matching... | |
| 08:05 | cait1 | i a not sure that sounds good |
| 08:05 | what's the problem you are running into? | |
| 08:05 | dcook | I can't set up a rule to match on 024 or 037 :S |
| 08:06 | In the union catalogue scenario, you could use the 001 or 999$c for matching (both of which work, I think) | |
| 08:06 | But in the scenario where you have a digital repo coming into Koha...you'll want to match on something else | |
| 08:06 | cait1 | we use 001 - don't worry about hat |
| 08:06 | does 024 work for regular matching? | |
| 08:07 | dcook | You're a rare one, I think, cait1 ;) |
| 08:07 | cait1 | yeah... i know |
| 08:07 | dcook | What do you mean regular matching? |
| 08:07 | cait1 | you say 001 and 999 work, so matching in general seems to work, wonder what the problem about 024 is |
| 08:07 | dcook | Yeah...me too |
| 08:07 | cait1 | doesn#t it use the matching stuff already in koha so that would be a problem for staged marc import too? |
| 08:08 | dcook | That's the point where I'm running into the problem |
| 08:08 | cait1 | hm so not an oai problem, but a matching problem |
| 08:08 | dcook | I load it into the "staged marc" area, and then wait for manual input (although there is an automatic update mode as well) |
| 08:08 | Right | |
| 08:08 | The oai stuff is going wonderfully | |
| 08:08 | cait1 | maybe something wrong about the matching rule then? |
| 08:09 | does the zebra index work? | |
| 08:09 | for 024? | |
| 08:09 | dcook | Well, that's where things get interesting |
| 08:09 | If I do a search in Koha for "Identifier-standard:KOHA-OAI-IDENTIFIER:90" | |
| 08:09 | I get nothing | |
| 08:10 | But if I use the bib-1 attributes in Yaz (@attr 1=1007 @attr 4=6 "KOHA-OAI-IDENTIFIER:90"), I get results | |
| 08:11 | Same for "Stock-number" and @attr 1=1028 | |
| 08:12 | cait1 | right |
| 08:12 | there is a bug about the stock-number index | |
| 08:13 | i think you can't use indexes in simple search that are not listed in Search.pm | |
| 08:13 | dcook | I've added them there too :/ |
| 08:13 | cait1 | hm |
| 08:13 | why does it have such a complicated name? | |
| 08:13 | maybe it's the : ? | |
| 08:13 | or the - | |
| 08:14 | dcook | That's part of the OAI identifier |
| 08:14 | In this case, KOHA-OAI-IDENTIFIER is just the Koha default | |
| 08:14 | And 90 is the bib number I think | |
| 08:14 | Typical OAI identifiers are usually more like urls | |
| 08:15 | Like: "oai:arXiv:cs/0112017" | |
| 08:15 | cait1 | dcook: i think it might be getting confused. - have you tried with the queryparser on to compare? |
| 08:15 | or just search the identifier without the index? | |
| 08:15 | dcook | Hmm, identifier without the index doesn't work |
| 08:15 | But I'll try the queryparser now | |
| 08:16 | cait1 | hm i will stop guessing around |
| 08:16 | i think jcamins might know | |
| 08:16 | dcook | He'll probably say what rangi said ;) |
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| 08:17 | cait1 | possibly |
| 08:17 | dcook | Hmm, no luck with the QueryParser anyway |
| 08:17 | But I can look at that one more.. | |
| 08:17 | cait1 | i think the syntax would be a bit different when using it maybe |
| 08:20 | dcook | Hmm, maybe there are issues with my dev install as well.. |
| 08:21 | As it doesn't look like it's actually using the QueryParser.. | |
| 08:21 | magnuse | there's a syspref, i think? |
| 08:22 | dcook | It's turned on :/ |
| 08:22 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:22 | cait1 | dcook: is ther esomething in your logs? |
| 08:23 | if your index definitions and koha-conf.xml are outdated there might be a problem with those - if you have run Makefile.pl recently it should just work | |
| 08:23 | dcook | Mmm, that could do it, cait1 |
| 08:23 | It's been a little while since I did a Makefile.pl | |
| 08:24 | cait1 | i think it shows on the logs if it actually can't use the query parser... but not sure, it's been a whlie since i tested that |
| 08:26 | dcook | Hmm, doesn't seem to :/ |
| 08:30 | I think I might have an idea... | |
| 08:30 | Hmm, nope, nevermind | |
| 08:33 | Missing too many modules to upgrade my git install... | |
| 08:33 | Too late to do it on the VM.. | |
| 08:34 | I've tried editing ZOOM::Query::CCL2RPN in the VM but that doesn't seem to really do anything which is odd.. | |
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| 08:39 | cait1 | dcook: no idea then |
| 08:39 | dcook | Me either :/ |
| 08:40 | Hmm, my dev VM might have the query parser working though.. | |
| 08:42 | Maybe I'm mixing up my numbers.. | |
| 08:44 | Ahhh | |
| 08:44 | I think I might have something... | |
| 08:44 | And that might point me back to.. | |
| 08:45 | Damn it... | |
| 08:46 | Oh wait... | |
| 08:46 | I'm using DOM indexing not GRS-1 so records.abs is useless... | |
| 08:46 | rangi: If I figure this out, I'll feel both like a complete idiot and a genius ;) | |
| 08:46 | * dcook | loves that tweet |
| 08:47 | dcook | Grrr.. |
| 08:52 | And somehow the fields are still indexed even when I remove them from the XSLT filter... | |
| 08:56 | Maybe the tokenization is the problem.. | |
| 08:59 | cait1 | have to run |
| 08:59 | bye all | |
| 08:59 | cait1 left #koha | |
| 09:09 | rangi | we dont just sponsor free software |
| 09:09 | http://submerge2emerge.co.nz/our-sponsors | |
| 09:09 | http://submerge2emerge.co.nz/ | |
| 09:21 | magnuse | swimming from nz to oz would be even more impressive ;-) |
| 09:22 | dcook | <z:index name="Identifier-standard:w Stock-number:w">KOHAOAITEST:98</z:index> |
| 09:22 | It indexed it properly...so it has to be the query... | |
| 09:23 | At least...it looks like it might be proper :p | |
| 09:23 | rangi | swimming at 5kmph .. for 6+ hours .. thats pretty impressive :) |
| 09:23 | thats walking speed | |
| 09:23 | dcook | Damned impressive |
| 09:24 | rangi | cold too |
| 09:25 | last time i swum laps, i managed about 300m hehe | |
| 09:28 | dcook | hehe |
| 09:29 | Hmm, what's the average swimming pool length? | |
| 09:29 | 25m or 50m? | |
| 09:29 | rangi | 50 is what the olympic pools are |
| 09:29 | dcook | 25 I think.. |
| 09:29 | Hmm | |
| 09:30 | rangi | 50 by 25 |
| 09:30 | but most school pools etc are 25 | |
| 09:30 | dcook | Apparently I was going to a 50m pool |
| 09:30 | Did a lot of swimming last year :) | |
| 09:30 | Every thursday night with the wife :) | |
| 09:30 | Alas, we moved and our old pool isn't so convenient | |
| 09:30 | rangi | :) |
| 09:30 | dcook | I work down from the Ian Thorpe swimming pool, but our suburb pool is a bit of a jaunt |
| 09:30 | Maybe this summer.. | |
| 09:32 | Now did I just break indexing in my dev VM... | |
| 09:33 | Ah, might help if I import the records. | |
| 09:33 | That could be why.. | |
| 09:35 | Well, that's...special | |
| 09:41 | rangi | heh |
| 09:42 | * magnuse | hands dcook the dcookies |
| 09:42 | dcook | hehe |
| 09:42 | Thanks, magnuse :) | |
| 09:42 | magnuse | my pleasure |
| 09:42 | dcook | Somehow, doing a search of "stock-number=kohaoaitest:90" will work in my dev VM |
| 09:42 | Although the rule matching won't | |
| 09:42 | :S | |
| 09:43 | I bet the dev VM uses ICU indexing.. | |
| 09:43 | Although that shouldn't matter.. | |
| 09:44 | Because the indexing is fine.. | |
| 09:45 | Hmm QueryParser doesn't do it either.. | |
| 09:48 | QueryParser is working on the VM though :D | |
| 09:52 | Ugh, what is the queryparser doing.. | |
| 09:54 | * magnuse | guesses it parses queries |
| 09:54 | dcook | If you put in ccl without prefixing it, it has a bit of a meltdown |
| 09:54 | I'm not sure prefixing it even helps | |
| 09:54 | * dcook | checks |
| 09:55 | * magnuse | would hassle jcamins about when he wakes up |
| 09:55 | dcook | Hmm |
| 09:55 | Now it's not reproducing that issue | |
| 09:56 | I...but.. | |
| 09:56 | Hmm, nevermind | |
| 09:57 | I see why the record matching isn't working though | |
| 09:57 | the QueryParser is stripping out the colon.. | |
| 09:58 | I don't think there will be any way of making this record matching work with OAI-PMH identifiers | |
| 09:58 | At least not in their actual forms | |
| 10:01 | That's ok...suboptimal...but it could still work | |
| 10:02 | According to some repos I've seen out there, owners of metadata want the end records to still have the original OAI-PMH identifier in them | |
| 10:02 | So we put the identifier in the 037 field or whatever and leave it there mostly for whatever licensing issues there might be...and for whatever reason we might need it | |
| 10:02 | But maybe use a strictly alphanumeric local identifier for matching... | |
| 10:13 | Which won't work either because that would be added too late... | |
| 10:14 | Unless the record had multiple transformations | |
| 10:16 | Oh wait...it could work. If a person gets the local identifier (which could even be the bib number), then passes it to the record object before transforming... | |
| 10:18 | Actually, that's probably the best way to do it... | |
| 10:19 | If the bib already exists in the database, add the 999$c and 999$d (or their koha unimarc equivalents) to the incoming record...and that can be matched on | |
| 10:19 | * dcook | thanks everyone for putting up with his talking to himself :p |
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| 10:47 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 11:09 | drojf | zebra-related fun question: if i delete a few thousand biblios (truncated tables in sql) and rebuild with zero biblios, does zebra not delete the stuff in the register folder for some reason? i saw that it does not write anything inside if i rebuild with an empty register folder and zero biblios |
| 11:11 | …and i still had thousands of search results that did not have existing biblios | |
| 11:11 | (after the first part. nothing after the second) | |
| 11:15 | jcamins | @later tell dcook You need to do stock-number:"kohaoaitest:90" with QueryParser (the quotes because I presume you want an exact match, and the colon because the equal sign turns off QueryParser). And you have to make sure that your search prefix is defined. |
| 11:15 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:16 | magnuse | jcamins to the rescue, as predicted :-) |
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| 11:32 | vfernandes | hi guys! |
| 11:32 | i'm having a problem with koha authorities encondings | |
| 11:33 | in MARC21 which is the field to set the enconding? | |
| 11:34 | jcamins | vfernandes: there isn't really one. |
| 11:34 | You set a leader position to mark whether the record has MARC8 or UTF-8, but there's nothing like the UNIMARC 100. | |
| 11:36 | vfernandes | the problem is that the autority appears fine in koha search but after being linked to the records there are many diacritics |
| 11:37 | jcamins | What do you mean? |
| 11:37 | vfernandes | accent characters doesn't appear right |
| 11:38 | jcamins | It doesn't appear where, though? |
| 11:38 | vfernandes | when cataloging a record |
| 11:39 | jcamins | A bibliographic record or an authority record? |
| 11:40 | vfernandes | in the two catalogings |
| 11:40 | for example authority "salvação" get's all mess up | |
| 11:41 | after saving | |
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| 11:42 | oleonard | Hello human IRC participants |
| 11:44 | vfernandes | any idea jcamins? |
| 11:44 | jcamins | vfernandes: nope. I've never seen that. |
| 11:48 | vfernandes | how can I show here a XML? |
| 11:49 | jcamins | Paste would be fine. |
| 11:49 | vfernandes | <record xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/m[…]ma/MARC21slim.xsd" xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"> <leader>00212 a2200109 4500</leader> <controlfield tag="001">96379</controlfield> <controlfield tag="003">0</controlfield> <controlfield tag="005">20130806124533.0</controlfield> <controlfield tag="008">130806|| aca||aa |
| 11:50 | jcamins | Please use the paste.koha-community.org site for pastes. |
| 11:51 | vfernandes | i'm trying |
| 11:51 | pastebot | "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "XML record" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 |
| 11:52 | vfernandes | look at it |
| 11:52 | should have "Catalogação" but the enconding it's wrong | |
| 11:52 | oleonard | Uh oh, wizzyrea's demo of my Bootstrap OPAC is down :( |
| 11:52 | jcamins | Your leader is wrong. |
| 11:53 | LDR/09 should be a. | |
| 11:53 | vfernandes | but leader is added automatically |
| 11:53 | oleonard | jcamins just summed up all of politics in one line. |
| 11:54 | jcamins | vfernandes: in that case I have no idea what's going on. |
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| 12:53 | jcamins | rijksmuseum++ # https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]tube_gdata_player <-- THAT is how you announce a reopening |
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| 12:58 | oleonard | Not possible in America because a dozen conceal-carry guys would unload their guns into the thief. |
| 13:00 | jcamins | oleonard: alas, yes. |
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| 13:12 | oleonard | I'm thinking that on many pages in the mobile view it would be desirable to automatically scroll to the main content since the search form fills up much of the screen otherwise |
| 13:12 | Seems like I've seen that behavior on other sites but I can't think of any examples at the moment | |
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| 13:13 | * Nicole C. Engard: Change system pref IndependantBranches to IndependentBranches | |
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| 13:14 | oleonard | What do you think about that jenkins_koha? |
| 13:15 | vfernandes | jcamins: problem with cataloguing authorities solved. field 000 should appear in the authority framework |
| 13:16 | another problem: when cataloguing a bibliographic record, the authority search works fine but after saving there are encoding problems in the fields copied from the authorities | |
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| 13:32 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:32 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
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| 13:38 | jcamins | Folks: if you have a trailing slash in your OPACBaseURL or staffClientBaseURL, REMOVE IT! |
| 13:39 | I've been trying to troubleshoot weird firewall issues with 3.12 for one of my clients ever since the upgrade, and it turns out that the firewall was going nuts because of URLs like catalog.com//cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl. | |
| 13:40 | Almost certainly a firewall misconfiguration, of course, but it's easy enough to work around on the server. | |
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| 13:45 | magnuse | jcamins: i have sometimes thought the description of those sysprefs should be explicit about whether to include the trailing slash or not... |
| 13:45 | jcamins | magnuse: yes, clearly it should. |
| 13:46 | I never realized that it shouldn't before. | |
| 13:46 | magnuse | i can do a patch. something like "Do not include a trailing slash."? |
| 13:47 | jcamins | That sounds perfect. |
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| 13:48 | vfernandes | jcamins: MARC21 records encoding is set in which field? |
| 13:49 | bibliographic records? | |
| 13:49 | jcamins | vfernandes: it's the same as with authorities. There's no encoding. |
| 13:49 | Just the leader. | |
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| 13:50 | magnuse | jcamins: mind if i quote your little warning above in the bug report? |
| 13:51 | jcamins | magnuse: not at all. |
| 13:51 | It's the weirdest problem ever. | |
| 13:51 | magnuse | bug 10690 |
| 13:51 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10690 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Warn about trailing slashes in description of OPACBaseURL and staffClientBaseURL |
| 13:53 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Confidentiality notice attached to all of jcamins' speech" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/160 |
| 13:54 | oleonard | ^^ No you can't quote him! |
| 13:54 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:55 | magnuse | oh noes, i already did |
| 13:55 | tcohen | heh |
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| 14:06 | magnuse | bug 10690 is ready for signoff :-) |
| 14:06 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10690 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Warn about trailing slashes in description of OPACBaseURL and staffClientBaseURL |
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| 14:24 | tcohen | gmcharlt: have you pushed patches that change the patron-home templates? |
| 14:27 | http://snag.gy/2EAOQ.jpg | |
| 14:28 | that was the wrong one, http://snag.gy/WybNs.jpg | |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Is that master tcohen? That doesn't look right |
| 14:38 | bgkriegel | oleanard,tcohen: think I found the problem, some funtion on intranetuserjs |
| 14:39 | oleonard | That would explain it |
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| 14:43 | * Nicole C. Engard: add AcqWarnOnDuplicateInvoice preference | |
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| 14:56 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5652: (follow-up) include subtitle in hyperlink <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]abc39735923a564f5> / Bug 5652: display subtitles on patron checkout and holds summary <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]66bc88606ab6f87b1> |
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| 15:10 | drojf | @quote random |
| 15:10 | huginn` | drojf: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010) |
| 15:10 | drojf | @quote random |
| 15:10 | huginn` | drojf: Quote #137: "sekjal: the data's in there... it's just MARC" (added by cait at 06:40 PM, May 26, 2011) |
| 15:10 | drojf | @wunder berlin, gerany |
| 15:10 | huginn` | drojf: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:10 | drojf | d'oh |
| 15:10 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 15:10 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Alter Schlachthof, Berlin, Germany is 30.3°C (5:10 PM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Hi drojf |
| 15:11 | drojf | hi oleonard |
| 15:12 | what up with the nothingupness in here? | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | drojf: our resident jelly donut is not facilitating conversation vigorously enough. |
| 15:13 | Wait... translation error. | |
| 15:14 | drojf | mmmh, donut |
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| 15:37 | * Marc Veron: Bug 5652: display subtitles on patron checkout and holds summary | |
| 15:37 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 5652: (follow-up) include subtitle in hyperlink | |
| 15:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5652 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Patron checkout and holds summary should show subtitles |
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| 15:41 | Nicole C. Engard: upate add link to button in acq | |
| 15:44 | pianohacker | oleonard: Now that I'm adding a button to the current MARC editor's toolbar, I'm noticing that the framework selection box has a tendency to wrap. My button would make that even more likely; how much of a problem do you think that is? |
| 15:44 | oleonard | I think we could be looking at the end of life on Earth as we know it. |
| 15:45 | * jcamins | gets cookies. Might as well enjoy my last few minutes on earth. |
| 15:45 | * oleonard | rushes home to be with his family |
| 15:46 | oleonard | pianohacker: I think I experimented at one point with converting that selection box to a Bootstrap menu button, but I can't remember why I didn't go with that option. |
| 15:47 | pianohacker | <sappy>No, the world can't end until my girlfriend gets back from Washington next Tuesday!</sappy> |
| 15:47 | oleonard | If it wasn't a technical problem, perhaps it was that we lost the contextual information that the visible selection gives? |
| 15:48 | jcamins | pianohacker: don't worry. If you mean DC, Washington will be around for a few weeks more due to inefficiency. |
| 15:48 | pianohacker | Yeah, that is one issue. |
| 15:48 | jcamins: Haha, West Coast; the apocalypse will have to break through the clouds first | |
| 15:48 | oleonard | Maybe we should group the "show documentation links" and "change framework" controls on one line, above or below the button toolbar |
| 15:49 | jcamins | oleonard: you could do a bootstrap menu dropdown that displayed the current value on the button. |
| 15:49 | pianohacker | oleonard: I think moving the framework box up there is a good idea. How should it be visually separated from "show documentation links"? |
| 15:49 | jcamins: Would look better, but you'll still have the same problems with wrapping if they select a long framework | |
| 15:50 | oleonard | Yeah that's what I was thinking too |
| 15:50 | jcamins | pianohacker: I know, but depending on which frameworks they use most often, it might significantly reduce the amount of wrapping. |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Most common framework name: "This is the framework you should use don't use the other ones." |
| 15:54 | druthb | If the apocalypse involves heat, no one in Houston will notice it. |
| 15:54 | oleonard | pianohacker: Re: visual separation, I don't know. |
| 15:55 | Will people not like that the "change framework" option doesn't float along with the other toolbar buttons? I would think not, but... | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | @wunder houston, tx |
| 15:55 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in SE-Svc-Cntr, Houston, Texas is 31.4°C (10:55 AM CDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 15:55 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 15:55 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 26.2°C (11:46 AM EDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:55 | pianohacker | wunder party! |
| 15:56 | @wunder 80401 | |
| 15:56 | huginn` | pianohacker: The current temperature in Lookout Pointe, Golden, Colorado is 25.4°C (9:55 AM MDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:56 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 15:56 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 25.0°C (11:21 AM EDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:56 | druthb | we're expecting humidity indexes to make it feel like 43 or so, this afternoon. |
| 15:57 | pianohacker | jcamins: You live 2 miles from the ocean. How on earth is your humidity higher than mine? |
| 15:57 | *lower | |
| 15:57 | oleonard | druthb: Heat advisory til 9PM sound awful |
| 15:57 | druthb | yup. |
| 15:57 | ...and to add to my fun, my AC is out. | |
| 15:57 | pianohacker | oleonard: I'm gonna punt this problem for now, until we think of a good solution :) |
| 15:58 | druthb | so I'm working^Wsweating from home, waiting for the repairperson. |
| 15:58 | pianohacker | I wish I had a shorter button label than "Switch to advanced editor" though... |
| 15:58 | druthb: I'm so sorry, I start whining when I lose my AC in colorado | |
| 15:59 | druthb | Eh, I'm managing. it went out on Sunday. I called yesterday from the office, but nothing happened, so I stayed home today, so I can make a hairy nuisance of myself. |
| 16:01 | drojf | druthb! |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 16:01 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #35: "<sekjal> it seemed like a good idea at the time...." (added by jwagner at 06:58 PM, September 17, 2009) |
| 16:01 | druthb | drojf! |
| 16:01 | drojf | :) |
| 16:03 | pianohacker | @quote random |
| 16:03 | huginn` | pianohacker: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011) |
| 16:03 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 16:04 | pianohacker | this? |
| 16:04 | wahanui | this is, like, the dawning of the age of Aquarius |
| 16:04 | jcamins | aquarius? |
| 16:04 | wahanui | No more falsehoods or derisions |
| 16:04 | oleonard | Lurking for several decades would be quite a feat |
| 16:06 | * drojf | heads home |
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| 16:10 | nengard | cait around? |
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| 16:12 | * Marc Veron: Bug 5652: display subtitles on patron checkout and holds summary | |
| 16:12 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 5652: (follow-up) include subtitle in hyperlink | |
| 16:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5652 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Patron checkout and holds summary should show subtitles |
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| 16:18 | nengard | oops |
| 16:18 | got it | |
| 16:18 | :) | |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | ♪ Rubber Duckie, you're the one... ♪ |
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| 18:18 | * druthb | watches the ever-shifting drojfs carefully |
| 18:18 | druthb | never know when one of them might try something tricky |
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| 18:40 | * drojf | makes faces behind druthb_away's back |
| 18:42 | drojf | jcamins: "If you select an index in the search dropdown and then enter in a QP query starting with the field, Koha will prepend the index you do not want" … why do you select an index that you do not want? |
| 18:43 | jcamins | drojf: do I _look_ like I understand weird behavior? |
| 18:43 | Some libraries preselect indexes. | |
| 18:43 | * jcamins | disapproves of this practce. |
| 18:44 | is not the ruler of the universe. Yet. | |
| 18:45 | drojf | why not? |
| 18:45 | preselect indexes… yes, that is something a librarian would think of | |
| 18:45 | i've heard of those people | |
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| 19:17 | * druthb | arms herself with Skittles. |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | some days, browsers... |
| 19:21 | why would you trigger a keydown event 6 times? Why? | |
| 19:23 | oleonard | keycomingdown, keyalmostallthewaydown, keydown, keycomingup, keyalmostallthewayup, and keyup |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | every time I hit ctrl-s, the event handler I've bound to that is triggered exactly 6 times. No more, no less |
| 19:23 | wtf | |
| 19:24 | oleonard: pressure sensitive typing! It's actually ahead of the game, how could I not have known | |
| 19:24 | oleonard | Isn't ctrl-s a dangerous shortcut to choose since it is a default browser shortcut? |
| 19:24 | pianohacker | Yes, but can be bound in Firefox and Chrome anyway |
| 19:26 | Trying not to pull any toooo-fancy tricks, but in a MARC editor, ctrl-s saving the record and not the web page seems reasonable | |
| 19:29 | okay, hahaha, I must be doing something insane | |
| 19:30 | looking at the event object, it's triggering the handler for ctrl-s one time for every keydown handler that's been bound | |
| 19:36 | oleonard: Uhh, I think I'll be replacing what we have in place :P http://forum.jquery.com/topic/[…]n-in-jquery-1-4-2 | |
| 19:36 | turns out this has probably been a problem for a while, we just never noticed it due to the specific way we use hotkeys | |
| 19:37 | oleonard | Please do. The plugin we have now isn't compatible with the latest version of jQuery |
| 19:37 | pianohacker | pretty hilarious failure mode, though |
| 19:41 | gml joined #koha | |
| 19:44 | cait1 joined #koha | |
| 19:47 | druthb | oooo |
| 19:47 | * druthb | waves to cait1 |
| 19:47 | * cait1 | waves back |
| 19:48 | tcohen | hi cait1 |
| 19:48 | cait1 | hi tcohen :) |
| 19:49 | oleonard | Bye everyone |
| 19:49 | * druthb | watches Zombie cait closely, just in case. |
| 19:49 | tcohen | bye oleonard |
| 19:50 | gml | hello people, I'm lazy to get in to bugzilla, file C4/Members.pm line 1703 (Master version from git up to today) |
| 19:50 | table "borrowers_to_borrowers" does not exist, not even referenced in schema.koha-community.org | |
| 19:50 | function C4::Members::add_member_orgs is currently used in memberentry.pl (maybe related with organizational patrons) | |
| 19:51 | cait1 | gml? |
| 19:51 | druthb: probably the tablet :) | |
| 19:52 | i will shut it down later | |
| 19:52 | tcohen | cait1, have good news about reserves |
| 19:52 | cait1 | tcohen: cool! |
| 19:53 | tcohen | will of course need your opinion heh |
| 19:53 | cait1 | what did gml expect us to do? |
| 19:53 | * druthb | still watches the zombie version of cait closely. If she starts shambling around the room mumbling about brains... |
| 19:53 | cait1 | tcohen: heh |
| 19:53 | tcohen: i guess you would probably be fine without - thx a lot for taking care of this! | |
| 19:53 | druthb: you wouldn't let zombie cait eat your brain? what kind of friend are you? | |
| 19:54 | druthb | I have little enough to spare. |
| 19:54 | I don't have to run faster than zombie cait, though...I just have to run faster than gmcharlt or talljoy or someone else who has more brains than I do. | |
| 19:54 | tcohen | can i refactor stuff cait? |
| 19:54 | :-P | |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | is anybody else seeing oddoties with printing receipts using the latest version of Chrome? |
| 19:55 | cait1 | tcohen: don't ask me about refactoring - i am still grumpy about that topic |
| 19:55 | * talljoy | is slow today |
| 19:55 | * cait1 | points to the RM and hides |
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| 19:57 | gmcharlt | tcohen: sure, you can refactor stuff -- just so long as Ever Last Line you refactor is backed by tests that you write prior to beginning refactoring! |
| 19:57 | cait1 | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:57 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:57 | * druthb | won't feed gmcharlt to zombie cait today. |
| 19:58 | gmcharlt | such a relief! ;) |
| 19:59 | cait1 | you all will let poor zombie cait starve... |
| 20:01 | rangi | hmm |
| 20:02 | i feel like people have totally misunderstood the problem with bug 9811 | |
| 20:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Patrons search improvements |
| 20:02 | * cait1 | agrees |
| 20:02 | * rangi | tries to make it clearer |
| 20:03 | rangi | tcohen++ |
| 20:03 | bug 10633 | |
| 20:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Table suggestions needs some work |
| 20:03 | rangi | bug 10663 |
| 20:03 | wahanui | bug 10663 is still puzzling me |
| 20:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals |
| 20:04 | * rangi | switches to needs signoff |
| 20:05 | tcohen | wait :-D |
| 20:10 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 20:10 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.3°C (9:43 PM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:10 | drojf | huge thunderstorm actually :) |
| 20:13 | oh look, weather is turning purple ;) http://www.unwetterzentrale.de[…]denburgindex.html | |
| 20:13 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 20:13 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 37.9°C (3:12 PM CDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 20:14 | druthb | ...and the humidity makes it feel like 42. Glad we got the AC workin'. |
| 20:14 | tcohen | now u can see the actual patch cait |
| 20:14 | cait1 | tcohen: i will take a look in a little bit |
| 20:14 | tcohen | np, just noting |
| 20:15 | cait1 | not home long - need to take car of something things first |
| 20:16 | tcohen: why did you change your approach? | |
| 20:17 | i am still worried this might not work actually - it still does not all that it do before it got rewritten | |
| 20:18 | rangi | hmm yeah i prefered the revert |
| 20:18 | cait1 | tcohen: i liked last night's patch |
| 20:18 | rangi | then unit tests |
| 20:18 | then try refactoring again | |
| 20:18 | approach | |
| 20:18 | cait1 | this will force you to give back a not for loan book |
| 20:18 | to fill a hold it can't fill | |
| 20:18 | if I see it right | |
| 20:18 | rangi | regressions are the worst bugs ever |
| 20:18 | cait1 | i know you put a lot of work into it - just trying to understand? |
| 20:20 | tcohen | i'm still trying to fully understand all the use cases |
| 20:20 | bgkriegel | after patch: http://snag.gy/NGD1d.jpg (it was renewable before patch) |
| 20:20 | cait1 | bgkriegel: i think it will fix some or most cases - but CheckReserves would work like the checkin does |
| 20:21 | so actually it would only stop you from renewing things that can actually fill the hold :) | |
| 20:21 | tcohen | and considered that fixing GetReserveStatus (which is used in several places) was worth the trouble |
| 20:21 | cait1 | which makes sense |
| 20:21 | tcohen: but it#s not a complete fix :( | |
| 20:21 | it's only used in a lot of places because someone refactored... and it should only ever be used to check for waiting in my opinion | |
| 20:22 | tcohen | cait1: have no problem working on this until we fix it |
| 20:22 | cait1 | everything else should use CheckReserves |
| 20:22 | and i don't want to sound so negative, i am sorry | |
| 20:22 | i will be right back | |
| 20:29 | tcohen: needed to shower to get a clear head - really hot day here | |
| 20:29 | can we start over and i try to explain what i mean? | |
| 20:29 | tcohen | no problem cait1, with enough info i can work on it |
| 20:29 | cait1 | let me go back to your patches first :) |
| 20:29 | tcohen | i'm not confident about the different reserve statuses and such |
| 20:30 | druthb | @wunder konstanz |
| 20:30 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.4°C (10:25 PM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:30 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 20:30 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 38.2°C (3:29 PM CDT on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 20:30 | cait1 | tcohen: think like that |
| 20:30 | tcohen | haven't fully understood the holds workflow |
| 20:30 | cait1 | reserve = the item in question can fill a hold |
| 20:30 | druthb | puh. |
| 20:30 | cait1 | and we should determine that exactly the same way on checkin, as we do it when the item in question is renewed |
| 20:30 | so that only those items that actually are needed for something, are blocked from holds | |
| 20:30 | um | |
| 20:30 | renewals | |
| 20:30 | pug left #koha | |
| 20:31 | cait1 | and we have CheckReserves doing that |
| 20:31 | druthb | We won't see 17, even at night, until October, more than likely. |
| 20:31 | cait1 | so we should use it |
| 20:31 | further more | |
| 20:32 | so if getReseveStatus is supposed to give back 'reserved' (which was only added by the rewrite) - it should call CheckReserves (imo) | |
| 20:32 | no sense to build the same logic differerently in 2 places | |
| 20:32 | but | |
| 20:32 | for renewals, the other things Getreserves gives us are not interesting | |
| 20:32 | an item being checked out | |
| 20:32 | can never be waiting | |
| 20:33 | and further more F= Filled, will never happen etiher - because that only happens in old_reserves and that table is not even part of the sql query | |
| 20:33 | so GetReserveStatus does not the right thing ever. | |
| 20:33 | there is no fixing it without using CheckReserves... and putting in more work to make it look up old_reserves.. although there then still might be the questionwhere you are actually interested in Filled (Finished is wrong too) | |
| 20:34 | and i hope that all made sense because i got sunburnt... and today i am going to blame every nonsense i say on that | |
| 20:34 | tcohen: and reserves is giving every normal person evil headaches. | |
| 20:40 | pianohacker | We have a preferred JS minifier when things like jQuery plugins don't come pre-minified? |
| 20:40 | cait1 | pianohacker: hm maybe best ask oleonard about that i think |
| 20:41 | pianohacker | Yeah, thought as much, just curious if anyone else knew since he skedaddled |
| 20:43 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 20:43 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on August 06, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
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| 22:13 | tcohen | does anyone know an ope source tool to easily draw statecharts? |
| 22:16 | rangi | dia ? |
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| 22:25 | tcohen | thanks rangi |
| 22:31 | do we have a graphviz extension for th e wiki? | |
| 22:31 | rangi | pass |
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| 23:06 | pianohacker | pass = no? Why? :) |
| 23:08 | rangi | means i have no idea |
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| 23:30 | tcohen | i'm trying calligra-flow (FTR) |
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| 23:56 | dcook | morning #koha |
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