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00:12 | oleonard joined #koha | |
00:13 | oleonard | wizzyrea around? |
00:15 | wizzyrea | i am |
00:15 | hi | |
00:15 | oleonard | Hey, I was just checking the log for something and saw your comment about the Cart |
00:15 | That should be fixed in the latest version. | |
00:15 | wizzyrea | yea! |
00:15 | cool! | |
00:16 | i will grab it later this afternoon (I'm going to be doing some testing on the mechanism by which it gets updated anyway) | |
00:16 | oleonard | I'm really getting excited about it. It's getting really close to being done, I think. |
00:16 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
00:16 | I was noticing that it is looking *really* flash | |
00:17 | cait | :) |
00:18 | oleonard | Okay, that's all. See y'all in 12 hours! |
00:19 | wizzyrea | later :) |
00:19 | * cait | is irritated by noone sending her to bed :) |
00:21 | ibeardslee | go to bed |
00:21 | jcamins | cait? |
00:21 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
00:23 | cait | hm |
00:24 | wizzyrea | Hey, go to bed! |
00:24 | that's an order! | |
00:24 | cait | hm |
00:24 | wizzyrea | don't make me get out my camomile tea |
00:24 | cait | lol |
00:24 | * cait | hates camomile tea |
00:26 | cait | it's toowarm |
00:26 | @wunder Konstanz | |
00:26 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.1°C (2:25 AM CEST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
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00:44 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. Oh shoot! I missed the meeting again. |
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01:21 | mtompset | If I was to work on a fix for the facets related to OpacHiddenItems, would it be better to patch it up in C4::Search (where the records are actually grabbed) or after the fact in opac-search.pl? |
01:21 | jcamins | It depends how you intend to fix it. |
01:23 | mtompset | The problem would be logic similar to the GetHiddenItems in C4::Items would be placed in pazGetRecords or getRecords in C4::Search if I went the C4::Search way. |
01:24 | Otherwise similar logic would be put in opac-search.pl (because results_hashref is fully built and just needs filtering) | |
01:24 | At least that's what I'm thinking conceptually. | |
01:29 | I'm just worried about having to rebase related to any search improvements, changes that are going on. | |
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01:42 | dcook | morning #koha |
01:43 | gmcharlt: Any chance you're around to field a MARC::Record query? | |
01:45 | Ah, nevermind | |
01:45 | Found it :) | |
01:45 | Whew... | |
01:46 | * dcook | was wanting MARC::Field not MARC::Record |
01:56 | mtompset | Which MARC::Field is items.itemnumber in results_refhash? ;) |
01:57 | jcamins | 952. All the item subfields have to be on the same MARC field. |
01:58 | mtompset | subfield? |
01:59 | jcamins | @marc 952 |
01:59 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
01:59 | huginn` | jcamins: unknown tag 952 |
01:59 | jcamins | ^^ that might help |
02:01 | mtompset | thanks, jcamins. |
02:01 | jcamins++ # useful link knowledge. | |
02:03 | Okay. 952$9 seems to be the MARC subfield I want to use, next question... do I have to check for UNIMARC and use 995$9 for the filtering code I am about to work on? | |
02:04 | (it does say proposal, but I know how far out of date pages can get) | |
02:05 | jcamins | You should be using the Koha to MARC mappings not hardcoding subfields. |
02:10 | mtompset | which table is that? |
02:10 | (or function) | |
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02:13 | mtompset | marc_subfield_structure? |
02:14 | jcamins | I don't recall. You could check the perldoc. |
02:17 | bgkriegel_ | Ni, |
02:19 | Hi, kohag-qa is playing trucos with me, checking a bug sometimes it finde errors, sometimes n | |
02:19 | nnot | |
02:19 | Any idea? | |
02:20 | mtompset | trucos? |
02:21 | bgkriegel_: perhaps your default perlcritic isn't the same depending on directory? | |
02:21 | perlcriticRC. | |
02:22 | bgkriegel joined #koha | |
02:22 | mtompset | Or is this a sometimes find, sometimes not find in the same directory, bgkriegel_? |
02:22 | bgkriegel: perhaps your default perlcriticrc isn't the same depending on directory? | |
02:22 | bgkriegel | yes, to consecutive runs |
02:22 | mtompset | consecutive runs?! |
02:22 | bgkriegel | and with and without -v, or -v 2 |
02:22 | yeap | |
02:23 | it's very strange | |
02:23 | mtompset | That is strange. Perhaps the code being tested is possessed by perl daemons. ;) |
02:24 | bgkriegel | I've updated the repo, and perl modules, all I can |
02:24 | hehe, may be | |
02:35 | mtompset | Hmm... I'm using debian... why are my versions of test::www::mechanize and archive::extract not meeting recommended levels?! |
02:43 | wizzyrea | needs wheezy versions maybe? |
02:52 | mtompset | I am using wheezy. |
02:52 | would the wheezy versions be behind the squeeze versions? | |
02:56 | C4::Biblio -- GetMarcFromKohaField :) | |
02:56 | That's what I want. :) | |
03:12 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. | |
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05:48 | cait | hm |
05:48 | * cait | needs someone from the qa team for bug 10663... |
05:48 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Holds never block renewals |
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06:35 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
06:35 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.5°C (8:35 AM CEST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
06:36 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
06:36 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
06:37 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
06:37 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
06:37 | * magnuse | waves |
06:37 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
06:37 | * cait | waves back |
06:37 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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06:44 | marcelr | morning #koha |
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06:50 | magnuse | congrats, rangi, you beat me :-) |
06:50 | rangi | heh |
06:51 | cait | you know - it's not winter... you just have norwegian summer :) |
06:51 | it's raining and i have to walk to work | |
06:51 | *sigh* | |
06:51 | bbl | |
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07:00 | * magnuse | considers puppet |
07:00 | magnuse | anyone got any alternative recommendations in that space? |
07:03 | rangi | chef |
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07:04 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
07:05 | magnuse | rangi: okay, any particular reason? |
07:05 | bonjour christophe_c | |
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07:05 | christophe_c | salut magnuse ;-) |
07:06 | rangi | nope, they just seem to be the 2 that everyone uses |
07:07 | magnuse | ah |
07:07 | puppet seems to be more "open core" than chef, perhaps | |
07:11 | rangi | there is a bit of that too |
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07:41 | magnuse | oh rangi: http://schema.koha-community.org/ says "Generated by SchemaSpy on Fri Sep 28 09:20 NZST 2012" - does it need to be updated? |
07:42 | ...or re-generated | |
07:42 | rangi | yep, ill do that tomorrow |
07:42 | magnuse | cool |
07:53 | kf | rangi++ |
07:53 | * magnuse | saves his ++ for when it's done ;-) |
07:54 | magnuse | wow, Viktor seems to be quite certain that multiple barcodes per item is common in swedish library systems |
07:54 | @quote get 123 | |
07:54 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
07:54 | huginn` | magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
07:54 | rangi | wtf |
07:54 | why would you do that? | |
07:55 | i mean, what possible use is doing that | |
07:55 | magnuse | dunno |
07:55 | rangi | how would you know which one to scan? |
07:55 | sounds like a dumb idea koha shouldnt copy | |
07:55 | magnuse | apparently, if a book looses its physical barcode they stick on a new one and add the new one to the system without deleting the old one |
07:55 | rangi | we have copied enough dumb ideas from other library systems already |
07:56 | magnuse | my feeling exactly |
07:57 | rangi | it probably is done that way, because the other library systems are broken and tie things to barcodes |
07:57 | magnuse | or they bought books that came with barcodes on the inside of the cover, entered that into the system, found them impractical, added new barcodes on the outside and added that new barcode, without deleting the old one from the system |
07:57 | rangi | not itemnumbers |
07:57 | so you cant delete/change the barcode, without losing history | |
07:57 | magnuse | ooh, that actually makes sens |
07:57 | e | |
07:57 | rangi | then people confuse a stupid mistake, with a feature |
07:58 | magnuse | hehe |
07:58 | kf | i wonder |
07:59 | maybe they misused the barcode number as inventory/accession number | |
07:59 | rangi++ | |
07:59 | rangi | exactly |
07:59 | ive seen that a lot in migrations | |
07:59 | kf | @quote add rangi: then people confuse a stupid mistake, with a feature |
07:59 | huginn` | kf: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
07:59 | kf | meh. |
07:59 | * kf | too |
07:59 | kf | just recently, it was weird |
07:59 | i kept looking for real PK in the data | |
08:00 | magnuse | i'll be looking at circ data from their old system real soon now, so then i'll learn the hard way how it works |
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08:06 | kf | hi kathryn? |
08:12 | magnuse | try kathryn_ perhaps? |
08:12 | kf | magnuse: anyway, it's the wrong time! |
08:13 | kathryn_ | hello all :) |
08:13 | kf | but she is real :) |
08:14 | kathryn_ | oh yeah nice of you to say hi to other me kf , I'll take that as good morning when I get to work tomorrow :D |
08:14 | kf | i might be there then too ;) |
08:18 | marcelr: i have lots - bug 10663 | |
08:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Holds never block renewals |
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08:39 | drojf | good morning #koha |
08:39 | kf | hi drojf |
08:39 | and drojf++ # some mail to a german mailing list | |
08:40 | rangi | hi drojf |
08:40 | drojf | hi kf and rangi |
08:40 | kf: she's moderated now :D | |
08:41 | tough luck if you do not know who the listmaster is and ignore his mails :P | |
08:41 | rangi | heh |
08:42 | bazinga | |
08:51 | magnuse | oh, GBSD starts in 1 hour, 9 minutes, 20 seconds if you choose Kiritimati time |
08:51 | kf | woohoo :) |
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09:12 | drojf | yay |
09:13 | magnuse | hm, that was not the first kohagbsd tweet... |
09:28 | kf | hm |
09:29 | hm some more tests ... but i have the patch for 10697 almost ready for testing | |
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09:37 | drojf | kf++ |
09:39 | magnuse | kf++ |
09:41 | kf | let's just hope it works |
09:43 | * magnuse | crosses his fingers |
09:44 | kf | doesn't look too bad |
09:52 | * magnuse | wonders if slef is following http://www.arctic-race.com/ |
09:53 | magnuse | today's stage starts and ends in bodø: http://www.letour.com/arctic-r[…]3/us/stage-1.html |
09:53 | no luck with the weather, though... | |
09:53 | @wunder boo | |
09:53 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on August 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
10:04 | magnuse | GBSD is here! (if you choose Kiribati time) |
10:04 | @confetti | |
10:04 | huginn | magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
10:04 | magnuse | confetti |
10:04 | wahanui | well, confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
10:05 | kf | hmmm confusing |
10:08 | * magnuse | wonders which part of GBSD kf finds confusing |
10:09 | kf | heh no this code |
10:09 | drojf | more confetti! |
10:09 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' |
10:09 | magnuse | ah |
10:09 | confetti! | |
10:09 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
10:09 | magnuse | gottcha |
10:09 | drojf | yay! :D |
10:10 | * magnuse | finds the bots confusing, sometimes |
10:11 | drojf | i think the bots have the same problem |
10:11 | excuse? | |
10:11 | wahanui | drojf: T-1's congested due to porn traffic to the news server. |
10:11 | drojf | @excuse |
10:11 | huginn | drojf: My excuse for today is "plankton blooms" |
10:11 | drojf | i'll go with porn :D |
10:12 | kf | oh that looked like a bit of hail |
10:12 | * magnuse | needs lunch |
10:15 | kf | i feel like there should be a "Waiting" |
10:17 | drojf | i feel like there should be cookies |
10:22 | kf | lots of cookies |
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10:23 | kf | ok |
10:23 | i found it all good | |
10:33 | ok | |
10:33 | it#s done | |
10:33 | and the good news is - it probably didn't cause bugs | |
10:33 | because in the places it was used, it seemed unused on further research... | |
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10:40 | magnuse | kf: yay |
10:40 | kf | drojf: check inetbib - fishes everywhere |
10:41 | magnuse: the one big problem was in canbookberenwed | |
10:41 | and that fix is on 10663 now | |
10:41 | magnuse | confetti! |
10:41 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
10:43 | drojf | kf: i've seen it :D |
10:43 | kf | drojf++ again |
10:58 | * magnuse | has a very, very minimal poc of semantikoha almost ready for inspection. just needs a syspref or two... |
10:58 | drojf | magnuse++ |
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11:30 | drojf | not that i expected anything else, but NSA is not only spying on metadata but communication content. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08[…]-seen-by-nsa.html |
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12:33 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
12:34 | magnuse | hiya oleonard |
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12:47 | kf | hi oleonard |
12:49 | tcohen | hi oleonard kf bgkriegel |
12:49 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
12:51 | tcohen | kf, do u use dom or grs-1? |
13:04 | oleonard | Poor itmanagerwtctheology.org.uk has to be back at work on Monday! At least his vacation autoresponder will get a break after that. |
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13:12 | tcohen | what a nice life, isn't it oleonard? months of vacation |
13:13 | oleonard | But the poor vacation autoresponder, when he is on the job no one appreciates him :( |
13:14 | * oleonard | waits for the Bug 5832 backlash |
13:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5832 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WONTFIX, rss.pl limited to 15 results |
13:14 | kf | tcohen: grs i think still currently, not sur about our newest addition |
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13:27 | elemark | hallo |
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13:33 | magnuse | hiya elemark |
13:33 | elemark | hi magnuse |
13:34 | i've just installed koha for the first time, just to give it a try | |
13:35 | and I already had my first error before doing anything | |
13:35 | Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/lib/perl5/DBI.pm line 2054. | |
13:36 | oleonard | How did you install Koha elemark, and what version? |
13:36 | elemark | I've tried to connect to the server for the first time, it redirected to /cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl |
13:37 | I've just installed ubuntu 13.04, then i followed the instructions on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
13:38 | sure i missed something | |
13:42 | oleonard | I'm not an installation expert, but I do know that /cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl is the OPAC side of things |
13:42 | You'll need to connect to the staff client first to run through the web installer | |
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13:51 | drojf | oleonard++ # asking me to spam my bugs for GBSD ;) |
13:51 | oleonard | Not spam, promote! |
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13:52 | Viktor | Greetings all :) |
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13:55 | oleonard | Some patches, I don't even know how they're going to get signed off unless the vendor walks their customer through the process. Bug 9004 for instance? |
13:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9004 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Talking Tech doesn't account for holidays when calculating a holds last pickup date. |
13:56 | oleonard | ...even if that *did* have a test plan... which it doesn't... |
13:56 | drojf | i tend to ignore everything that has a name of some service in the description |
13:56 | because, how would i test that? | |
13:57 | oleonard | ...or UNIMARC :P |
13:58 | drojf | also there is this evil little part of me that thinks "if service x should be supported, make company providing service x pay for it or at least help", by providing licenses of whatever |
13:58 | (i know that they won't give a damn about koha…) | |
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13:59 | kf | tcohen: did you see my patch for removing the last bits of getreservestatus? |
13:59 | drojf | the unimarc problem is interesting though |
14:00 | tcohen | yes kf |
14:00 | drojf | i remember testing normarc stuff because there are only so many normarcy developers… and it is basically marc21+a very small x. but i am not going to learn unimarc for fun |
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14:01 | tcohen | kf++ |
14:01 | * oleonard | stares at the "Random bug" widget on the dashboard |
14:02 | kf | oleonard++ :) |
14:02 | oleonard: you coudl sign off on one my my patches... :) | |
14:04 | elemark | thanks oleonard, so maybe i misconfigured something |
14:05 | i connected to the staff environment, but perhaps i'm redirecting to the opac part | |
14:05 | oleonard | elemark: Maybe check your Apache config? That's what I would do in a non-package installation. I don't know how the packages do it. |
14:07 | jcamins | elemark: most likely you need to adjust your Apache configuration to use the DNS that you set up. |
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14:08 | Viktor | Multiple barcodes - it interests me how compact a "No" I tend to get on the issue. Can I kindly just have a quick question on the subject? |
14:08 | drojf | unimarc is used in… france, italy, portugal, right? |
14:09 | kf | Viktor: magnuse already mentioned it- I really think it's not a good idea in an ILS actually |
14:09 | you could save old barcodes somewhere else, but there shoud only be one valid for an item at a time (in my mind) | |
14:09 | jcamins | Viktor: multiple barcodes for a single item? |
14:10 | Bad idea. | |
14:10 | elemark | thanks a lot |
14:10 | i'm trying | |
14:11 | Viktor | kf I know :) It's just the "why?" part I'm still interested in. But using the patch that searches for other data should be fine. |
14:11 | jcamins | The problem with having more than one barcode for a single item is, two barcodes next to each other on an item makes no sense in an ILS, and if they're not next to each other, one of the barcodes is unreliable. |
14:11 | Viktor: what is it you're trying to accomplish? | |
14:12 | Viktor | Yep jcamins . We need it since almost all books have two barcodes. One that came with the book (often on the inside) and one on the outside. |
14:12 | kf | iwonder |
14:12 | jcamins | I have a suggestion: teach your librarians which barcode to use. |
14:12 | kf | are there never duplicates with the numbers on the inside? |
14:12 | and what are they used for? | |
14:12 | Viktor | Problem is I have no way of knowing from that data which barcode is on the outside and which one is on the inside. So I can't just import the outside ones.. |
14:13 | kf | hm eek. |
14:13 | jcamins | Viktor: ... ouch. That's... crazy. Why do you have two barcodes? |
14:13 | kf | Viktor: I think we really have a hard time imagining what that is supposed to be good for :) |
14:14 | jcamins | I have seen barcodes on the outside for off-site storage, but in that case your inventory system needs a mapping. |
14:14 | kf | here when a book arrives, the library puts a barcode on them... or the vendor does, but then doing it as specified by the library |
14:14 | doubled up seems kinda odd | |
14:15 | Viktor | The original barcode is used to tie the items to the right record when they arrive. But as it's often on the inside they stick one on the back for borrowing. |
14:16 | I must confess that I don't fully get how this happened. But it's not uncommon (here) in my experience . | |
14:17 | But I don't either get why multiple barcodes would be a problem as long as they are no duplicates. Even if one barcode to rule them all seems the natural order... | |
14:17 | kf | Viktor: hm I see - so it's more like an ordernumber from the idea? |
14:18 | Viktor: I can't think of an ILS i have seen that before | |
14:18 | oleonard | Viktor: The primary problem is that yous is such an edge case that it doesn't make sense to modify Koha to cover it |
14:18 | kf | here it would be more likely that they try to stick the same number to multiple items... |
14:18 | Viktor | kf That is the impression I get. They have even successfully branded it "The intelligent barcode" as it's used to tie the book to the right record :) |
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14:19 | kf | Viktor: maybe more of a acq feature then - nothing to say about that. but i think libraries here wouldn't use that for circ, the would use their own branded labels |
14:19 | also lots of systems do check if a number belongs into the system or do some prefix/subfix magic on the barcodes, so that would prevent them from doing something like that | |
14:20 | i might also imagine it makes a small difference in speed if yo have to check for a unique number or multiple | |
14:20 | Viktor | oleonard I shure looks like it since I'm the weird kid when I bring it up in a global community :) |
14:20 | * kf | hands Viktor her hat |
14:20 | kf | Viktor: wait until i bring up how fines work in Germany the next time ;) |
14:21 | Viktor | kf That will be interesting :) |
14:21 | * Viktor | puts on the hat |
14:21 | Viktor | kf Speed is an issue. |
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14:23 | Viktor | Am I correct to assume that bug 7494 will make the whole discussion redundant as it will allow us to stick the extra barcodes somewhere and use them with Koha otherwise unchanged? |
14:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout |
14:23 | kf | Viktor: i think its only for partial barcode and callnumber |
14:24 | and i think it's a pref | |
14:25 | Viktor | kf I just though that the last comment seemed promising "When issuing a book, some libraries want to issue by title or other details. |
14:25 | This patch adds a systempreference and code that allows it." | |
14:25 | Specifically "other details" :) | |
14:26 | kf | yeah,b ut it's an on/off switch right now |
14:26 | hm | |
14:26 | but maybe it just does a keyword search | |
14:26 | so another indexed field might work | |
14:27 | gmcharlt | kf: yes, it does a keyword search |
14:27 | the bug description kinda hides the patch's light under a basket | |
14:27 | kf | :) |
14:27 | just found it: my $query = "kw=" . $barcode; :) | |
14:28 | Viktor | Yay! :) |
14:28 | This looks very promising! Mad double barcode scheme seems to make it :) | |
14:29 | I'll look further into it with the help of Magnus. | |
14:29 | Thanks everybody for your help on the issue! | |
14:30 | tcohen | anyone from tamil here? |
14:31 | Viktor | Oh - and I published the promised swedish translation of the staff interface the other day. Will update opac and the other files too - they are at the translator?s as of now. |
14:32 | gmcharlt | Viktor++ |
14:37 | kf | tcohen: i think dropping an email to fredericd woudl be the best bet |
14:37 | tcohen | he's on vacation currently |
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15:15 | oleonard | Why does the self checkout interface offer either a "renew" button *or* a "check in" button but not both? |
15:16 | Shouldn't items which can be renewed have a "check in" button too? | |
15:22 | Regarding Bug 9939, I don't see what is interesting about the patron stats we have. | |
15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , preference to control visibility of patron stats in the OPAC |
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15:27 | digitalmess | Good morning everyone, I was just wondering if I could get a little assistance on trying to create a barcode record matching rule? |
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15:32 | oleonard | digitalmess: You can try asking your question. If someone can answer they might |
15:33 | Do fines get recorded in accountlines with a specific code? F for fines? | |
15:34 | digitalmess | yes |
15:36 | kf | oleonard: what are you looking for? can be F or FU |
15:37 | digitalmess | Fines = F, Account Management Fee = A, New card = N, Sundry = M, Lost Item = L |
15:37 | oleonard | I'm looking at Bug 10007 and wondering how I can fake a fine for one of my checkouts for testing purposes |
15:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10007 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Totals in checkouts table |
15:37 | * tcohen | thinks hardcoded values s*ck |
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15:38 | oleonard | That bug is caused by Koha querying for a total of *all* charges owed by the patron rather than just those which are fines on existing checkouts |
15:38 | kf | oleonard: oh! |
15:38 | oleonard | i.e. charges for lost books, etc. |
15:39 | kf | so the question is... what do we want here |
15:39 | ? | |
15:39 | what about looking for fines related to the itemnumber? | |
15:41 | oleonard | Simpler I guess to just add up the charges as the loop is built for the template |
15:42 | ...just like we do for the total replacement cost | |
15:46 | digitalmess | Does anyone know if anyone is looking at reversing Bug 7973 until the problem is fixed to allow AD LDAP to work? |
15:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7973 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication |
15:52 | oleonard | Oh, duh, it's not fines, it's rental charges. |
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15:55 | digitalmess | Yes and no... that screenshot shows that there is 0.00 in rental charges for the item, so that $434.00 total is figured from fines in the accountlines table... at list that is what I figured our when I scratched my head over our new system. |
15:56 | err *at least...* | |
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15:58 | digitalmess | sorry, 0.00 shows when books/items has a replacement charge or not. Not sure what price column is supposed to show.. maybe rental charge or original purchase price? |
15:58 | oleonard | To add to the confusion, the rental charges shown in that column of the checkout table are calculated based on the current policy, not the fee incurred at the time of checkout |
15:59 | so if you add a rental charge later, all items matching that rule will display the new charge, even if that charge isn't on your account | |
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16:02 | kf | oleonard: doesn't seem to make much sense - what about only showing unpaid rentals? |
16:02 | oleonard | I'm thinking we should probably just remove the "charge" column from that screen altogether. |
16:03 | Why not use the fines screen for that? | |
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16:03 | kf | oleonard: hm - not sure if that will not make some libraries unhappy - i think hlt does rental fines |
16:03 | oleonard | We show the total of fees and charges on the circ screen anyway |
16:03 | kf | oleonard: i think it woudl make sense to see the total on checking out directly |
16:03 | so when a patron asks: how much is it now? you can tell them | |
16:04 | oleonard | But is there any reason to separate their rental charge total from their total of all charges? |
16:04 | kf | i think i would only show rentals there... and not mix |
16:04 | oleonard | Why? |
16:04 | kf | it hink library policies |
16:05 | like you have to pay the rentals off first | |
16:05 | before you can walk off with the items | |
16:05 | but... not sure really | |
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16:27 | oleonard | So, looking at Bug 8287 again... It turns out the "overdue" report doubles as an "all checkouts" report if you check the "Show any items currently checked out" checkbox. |
16:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8287 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , remove filter on checked out from overdues |
16:28 | oleonard | That's either a nice feature buried inside a misnamed report, or a dumb feature to have on a report which is there for a specific purpose. |
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16:57 | ebegin | Hello everyone ! |
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16:58 | ebegin | From the doc, I read that the size limit of a patron picture is 520K. Anybody knows where this limitation comes from ? |
16:59 | jcamins | ebegin: there's a hardcoded limitation in the upload script. |
16:59 | * jcamins | leaves. |
16:59 | ebegin | :) |
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17:10 | oleonard | I see a new problem in master, wondering if someone could confirm. |
17:10 | Check out an item from Branch A at Branch B. Check in at Branch B. View the details for that title. | |
17:11 | I'm seeing a status that looks like "In transit from to since" | |
17:11 | cait | oleonard: i had some weridness with the transit stuff in 3.12 |
17:11 | but i haven't been able to nail it down really :( | |
17:12 | if you have an item level hold it will also say in transport right now - before it's been pulled | |
17:12 | drojf | so you're saying most of koha is broken lately? *hides* |
17:12 | cait | *grump*! |
17:27 | druthb | cait: caitsnack un-grumpy pill |
17:28 | * druthb | chucks an anti-troll Skittle at drojf |
17:33 | * pianohacker | gives druthb some of the rum on his shelf |
17:33 | pianohacker | good stuff |
17:33 | I think you need it | |
17:34 | Heaven knows I do | |
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17:35 | * druthb | pours a little bit, and adds a glug of pineapple juice. |
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17:38 | pianohacker | excellent plan! |
17:39 | what is your imbibement of choice, actually? | |
17:43 | * ebegin | add a little bit of maple sirup in the mix ;) |
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17:49 | mmm45 | hello |
17:51 | Our Opac in System Preferences we have custom code for opacheader, OPACUserCSS, and opacuserjs | |
17:51 | when switching from prog to ccsr, of course the custom code is not looking very good | |
17:51 | my question is related to opacheader | |
17:52 | i do not know how to get ride of it when on a phone device | |
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17:52 | cait | mmm45: hm sorry, i haven't looked at how that is done :( |
17:52 | is there a separate mobile css maybe? | |
17:52 | mmm45 | we need it as it is when we go to the browser on a computer but not have it when going to the mobile |
17:53 | there is the mobile.css that comes with ccsr | |
17:53 | maximep | iirc you could put custom mobile css in OPACMobileUserCSS |
17:53 | the syspref | |
17:53 | wahanui | the syspref is like, "asking a question" - can the user editcatalogue (major permission group) Edit the Catalogue (minor permission) |
17:54 | cait | mmm45: if you give the header content an id, you can set it to display:none in the mobile css i think |
17:54 | or maybe :) | |
17:54 | not sure when the mobile.css will kick in exactly | |
17:55 | maximep | when below a certain screen size |
17:55 | cait | thx :) |
17:55 | mmm45 | i have done some coding in the OpacMobileUserCSS and tried to hide that display |
17:55 | but it did not work | |
17:56 | i guess i really do not know what i am doing | |
17:56 | cait | do you have experience in css? |
17:56 | mmm45 | :-( Not really |
17:56 | cait | hm ok |
17:56 | mmm45 | to be very honest |
17:56 | cait | could you paste your header and opacmobilecss code? |
17:56 | paste? | |
17:56 | wahanui | paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
17:57 | * drojf | thinks druthb made up the anti-troll skittles |
17:57 | ebegin | mmm45, you can add the .mobile-hidden class to your div (in your opacheader) |
17:57 | mmm45 | i will sure paste what i have |
17:58 | ebegin | surround your html in the opacheader with <div class='mobile-hidden'> <YOUR_HTML_CODE_HERE></div> |
17:58 | cait | what ebegin says makes sense :) |
17:58 | pastebot | "mmm45" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "opacheader code" (101 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164 |
17:59 | maximep | yes, ebegin++ |
17:59 | jcamins | oleonard: I've gotten the "In transit from since to" (or something like that) message for ages. |
17:59 | cait | maximep++ too |
17:59 | jcamins | At least since 3.8. |
17:59 | cait | that would explain why it's new to us |
17:59 | jcamins | cait: yeah, I don't think I ever saw it on 3.6. |
17:59 | * ebegin | will be back later |
18:00 | cait | mmm45: did you try ebegin's suggestion? |
18:00 | mmm45 | i am about to |
18:00 | cait | :) |
18:00 | it should work probably if you change your first line to: | |
18:01 | <div id="menu_cont" class="mobile-hidden"><ul id="menu"> | |
18:01 | mmm45 | so add this line to the very top of the opacheader, right? |
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18:02 | drojf | screw you, oftc |
18:02 | you will not keep me from posting | |
18:02 | (20:01:19) drojf: we should have more pictures on k-c.org | |
18:02 | (20:01:24) drojf: because http://cat.koha-community.org.meowbify.com/ | |
18:03 | mmm45 | cait, that did work!!!! |
18:05 | cait and ebegin, thank you for the suggestions and help! :-) | |
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18:45 | cait | tcohen++ for dom indexing in packages :) |
18:46 | tcohen | i'm still building the package to test it actually |
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19:07 | drojf | tcohen: nice! |
19:20 | oleonard | Bug 7494 doesn't seem to like searches with spaces |
19:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout |
19:20 | drojf | do i need to install extra stuff to run tests? |
19:20 | cait | :( |
19:21 | drojf: isthere an error or something | |
19:21 | ? | |
19:21 | drojf | i tried xt/verify-debian-docbook.t and get a lot of fails for unfound files or directories |
19:21 | cait | hmm |
19:21 | tcohen | xsltproc |
19:21 | wahanui | xsltproc is calling the xslt with a wrong parameter? |
19:21 | drojf | xt/verify-debian-docbook.t .. Can't exec "xmllint": Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden at xt/verify-debian-docbook.t line 33. |
19:22 | cait | hm |
19:22 | tcohen | oh, it was xmllint |
19:22 | cait | did you try to install that xmllint thing? |
19:22 | drojf | no i just saw that now |
19:22 | jcamins | libxml2-utils |
19:22 | drojf | thanks :) |
19:23 | oleonard | I can't get the partial barcode search to work at all |
19:23 | drojf | yay! |
19:23 | jcamins++ | |
19:23 | tcohen | jcamins++ # lots of things actually |
19:23 | cait | oleonard: it does a keyword search in the opac |
19:23 | can you find the partial barcode in onrmal search? | |
19:24 | oleonard | Yes |
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19:25 | cait | oleonard: didn't test it yet so no idea then :( we just talked about it earlier today |
19:29 | oleonard | If anyone else cares to enable itemBarcodeFallbackSearch and give it a try it would be nice to get confirmation |
19:30 | I've tried both the beginning and end of existing barcodes and neither returned results | |
19:31 | Was I testing this for a reason, or just because I hadn't tried it before? | |
19:31 | * oleonard | has lost his way |
19:32 | tcohen | bug 8507 needs review, I'm not an expert on dom configuration files and found some issues with the shipped file (for packages) which i fixed using the grs file as a basis |
19:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be updated to use DOM indexing for bib |
19:33 | tcohen | on the other side, the new switches work as expected and files are set accordingly |
19:34 | oleonard | Hah, my test plan for Bug 10083 should have also included, "Make sure the whole thing isn't stupidly broken after applying the patch." |
19:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface |
19:36 | tcohen | bye #koha |
19:37 | cait | oleonard: ouch |
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19:45 | cait | oleonard++ |
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20:19 | oleonard | I wonder whatever happened to the work on Bug 8483? |
20:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Borrower reading history should include deleted items |
20:28 | oleonard | Okay, bye #koha. Squash some bugs. |
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20:44 | drojf | out of disk space. can't clone VM. :( |
20:44 | cait | drojf: have you had a chance to play with sip yet? |
20:45 | drojf | cait: no. why? |
20:45 | cait | hm just wondered if you know how to do that :) |
20:45 | drojf | not at all, sorry :) |
20:51 | cait | jcamins++ |
20:55 | rangi | drojf++ |
20:56 | cait | i already gave him so much karma today... |
20:56 | morning rangi :) | |
20:57 | drojf | hi rangi |
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21:03 | nengard | hi all looking for a bit more help with jquery |
21:03 | i want to change the button that says renew or return all checked items to just renew - so i did this: | |
21:03 | $("#checkboxed input:contains('Renew or return checked items')").text("Renew checked items"); | |
21:03 | but it doesn't work | |
21:03 | drojf | i think you missed the wizzard of webs |
21:04 | wizard even | |
21:04 | nengard | $("input[value='Renew or return checked items']").attr("value","Renew checked items"); |
21:05 | figured it out :) | |
21:05 | wizzyrea | I thought that was on the library. |
21:06 | cait | khall_away: around maybe? |
21:08 | rangi | right im gonna test bug 9811 again |
21:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Patrons search improvements |
21:10 | rangi | ok without the patches for 9811, i hit the /cgi-bin/koha/members/members-home.pl page it shows no patrons |
21:10 | and is reasonably performant | |
21:10 | i apply the patches | |
21:10 | drojf | halt |
21:10 | rangi | including the magic multiline fix |
21:10 | drojf | wrong window :/ |
21:11 | wizzyrea | you're still waiting? |
21:11 | rangi | i refresh |
21:11 | it shows me patrons | |
21:11 | cait | hm |
21:11 | rangi | it so isnt just doing a count |
21:11 | cait | that does sound like a difference i noted too in a comment |
21:11 | rangi | fridolyn seemed to think i was mistaken |
21:12 | cait | i think he was making the difference between all and 20 |
21:12 | rangi | it might only be showing all |
21:12 | cait | but no matter what... it doesn't make much sense to show them from the beginning i think |
21:12 | rangi | sorry 20 |
21:12 | cait | well not sure how much of load time it adds |
21:13 | * cait | wants this sip stuff to start working |
21:13 | cait | *grump* |
21:14 | magnuse | cait: are you having trouble getting sip to work at all? or something specific? |
21:14 | cait | was trying to use bug 9288 |
21:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Add a script to test SIP from the command line |
21:14 | cait | i think i have the sip server running |
21:15 | trying to find a way to connect to it now | |
21:15 | wizzyrea | telnet? |
21:15 | wahanui | hmmm... telnet is no longer included with Windows? |
21:15 | cait | never done that |
21:15 | is there a step by step thing somewhere maybe? | |
21:15 | drojf | video tutorial preferred |
21:15 | * drojf | hides |
21:15 | cait | drojf: lol |
21:15 | magnuse | it's not too hard : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]sting_with_Telnet |
21:16 | wizzyrea | (that's without the package tools - but the telnet bit is the same |
21:16 | just don't start sip that way) | |
21:16 | magnuse | but of course sip is yet another intensely weird "library tech" thing... |
21:16 | cait | wizzyrea: not using the package tools, but i think i figured that part out |
21:17 | hm | |
21:17 | guess that doesn't look ok? | |
21:17 | Trying 127.0.0.1... | |
21:17 | Connected to localhost. | |
21:17 | Escape character is '^]'. | |
21:17 | Connection closed by foreign host. | |
21:18 | hm maybe had the wrong port:) | |
21:18 | magnuse | i think you have to be kind of quick |
21:18 | did it close at once, no waiting? | |
21:18 | cait | no waiting |
21:18 | it will be fine | |
21:19 | * magnuse | is reassured and goes to bed |
21:50 | drojf | i tried bug 8507 and it does not seem to work for auth |
21:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , koha-create should be updated to use DOM indexing for bib |
21:56 | * drojf | goes to bed |
21:56 | drojf | good night #koha |
21:56 | rangi | night |
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22:00 | drojf | http://www.sks-keyservers.net/[…]y_development.php go NSA ;) |
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22:01 | rangi | heh |
22:09 | 1 2 combination | |
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23:02 | wizzyrea | whoa is it a bug or a feature that the address bar search in firefox now uses the search you have selected in the search box |
23:02 | instead of defaulting to google | |
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23:20 | rangi | http://identity.mozilla.com/po[…]y-for-gmail-users |
23:21 | which means you can now sign in to koha that way | |
23:21 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
23:21 | This is kind of key: Persona remains committed to privacy: Gmail users can sign into sites with Persona, but Google can’t track which sites they sign into. | |
23:22 | rangi | *nod* |
23:22 | wizzyrea | ^ I like that |
23:22 | rangi | kenza++ |
23:22 | @karma | |
23:22 | huginn | rangi: Highest karma: "rangi" (867), "oleonard" (744), and "jcamins" (632). Lowest karma: "<!" (-115), "ie" (-107), and "failed" (-104). You (rangi) are ranked 1 out of 2586. |
23:22 | rangi | @karma kenza |
23:22 | huginn | rangi: Karma for "kenza" has been increased 3 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 3. |
23:22 | rangi | kenza++ |
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23:29 | dcook | morning #koha |
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23:37 | dcook | It seems like these Catmandu people have thought of quite a bit! |
23:38 | rangi | yep |
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23:52 | dcook | http://librecat.org/catmandu/2[…]-cheat-sheet.html |
23:52 | append("title"," must die"); # marc -> marc must die | |
23:52 | hehe | |
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