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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | vinz3g joined #koha | |
| 00:01 | vinz3g | hola |
| 00:01 | i need help con koha translate | |
| 00:02 | the command "koha-translate"no function en koha 3.13 | |
| 00:02 | bgkriegel | vinz3g: Hi, what kind of help? |
| 00:03 | vinz3g | I installed ubuntu 12.04 lts and the instructions for translate koha at the spanish |
| 00:03 | bgkriegel | Koha 3.13? where you get that from? Last release is 3.12.3 |
| 00:03 | you installed with packages? | |
| 00:04 | vinz3g | but Koha version: 3.13.00.015 |
| 00:04 | im using version dev | |
| 00:05 | bgkriegel | Oh |
| 00:05 | well, in a dev install you cant use koha-translate | |
| 00:06 | go to misc/translator and run "perl translate install es-ES" | |
| 00:07 | vinz3g | ah! |
| 00:07 | bgkriegel | vinz3g: you speak spanish? |
| 00:07 | vinz3g | yes |
| 00:07 | im sorry bad english | |
| 00:07 | :) | |
| 00:07 | bgkriegel | bueno, esas son las instrucciones, desde el directorio donde tienes el repositorio |
| 00:08 | vinz3g | ah gracias |
| 00:08 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 00:08 | prueba y me dices | |
| 00:08 | vinz3g | una pregunta a lo mejor y vuelvo a instalar |
| 00:08 | mientras instalaba y seguia las instrucciones | |
| 00:08 | me pregunto si debia instalar dev, standar y uno mas | |
| 00:08 | bgkriegel | single |
| 00:08 | vinz3g | segun las instrucciones debia de poner deb |
| 00:08 | dev | |
| 00:09 | bgkriegel | que es lo que quieres hacer, desarrollo? |
| 00:09 | vinz3g | esa no es la que sirve para producción verdad? |
| 00:09 | no | |
| 00:09 | bgkriegel | no, no debes utilizar esa forma de instalar en produccion |
| 00:09 | vinz3g | ok |
| 00:09 | bgkriegel | lo mejor es instalar por paquetes |
| 00:10 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
| 00:10 | vinz3g | ah si? |
| 00:10 | sin todo el rollo? | |
| 00:10 | bgkriegel | asi es :) |
| 00:10 | vinz3g | ok, voy a probar |
| 00:11 | y luego desinstalo | |
| 00:11 | bgkriegel | Ok |
| 00:12 | wizzyrea | instalar por paquetes is <reply> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 00:12 | * wizzyrea | hopes that is a sensible thing to do |
| 00:12 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 00:12 | jcamins | wizzyrea: only if there's a Spanish speaker who knows how to spell it around. :) |
| 00:12 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 00:13 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 00:13 | vinz3g | ja ja |
| 00:15 | <bgkriegel> gracias si funciono | |
| 00:16 | ya había hecho esto con la versión 3.10 | |
| 00:16 | en aquella ocasión no fue tan fácil tenía que declarar las variables | |
| 00:17 | bgkriegel | good :) |
| 00:17 | vinz3g | bueno ahora que ya me quite la espina a desinstalar esta versión |
| 00:17 | por aqui sigo | |
| 00:17 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:44 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #175 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:56 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 01:25 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 01:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #175: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/175/ |
| 01:25 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name | |
| 01:25 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10504: Remove the unused C4::Acq::ModOrderItem routine | |
| 01:25 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier. | |
| 01:25 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10170: strings in MARC import made translatable | |
| 01:25 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10170: expose more managed staged MARC strings to translation | |
| 01:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless |
| 01:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10504 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Acquisition::ModOrderItem is unused | |
| 01:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier | |
| 01:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10170 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , non translatable strings in manage-marc-import (actions and table values) | |
| 01:52 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 02:30 | mtj | hi #koha, is anyone out there building koha-3.10 packages.. running squeeze? |
| 02:30 | ...or has everyone upgraded to wheezy already :) | |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 02:31 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 02:31 | mtj | hey liz |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | hiyassss |
| 02:31 | mtj | i'm trying to build a koha-3.10 package.. running squeeze |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | and you're not having success? |
| 02:32 | mtj | no, i get an error |
| 02:32 | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl | |
| 02:32 | W: Unmet build-dependency in source | |
| 02:33 | ...and that missing package only exists in wheezy | |
| 02:33 | http://packages.debian.org/whe[…]allnumber-lc-perl | |
| 02:33 | so… looks like i need to upgrade my box to wheezy before i success here? | |
| 02:34 | (just gonna try on a wheezy box now) | |
| 02:34 | jcamins | mtj: or backport liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl. |
| 02:36 | mtj | i didnt check on kc.org, to see if the package existed there |
| 02:36 | rangi | nope |
| 02:36 | its already there | |
| 02:36 | on debian.koha-community.org | |
| 02:36 | mtj | bah |
| 02:38 | thanks for spotting that chris :) | |
| 02:38 | ive just run 'apt-get update', (forgot to do that step) | |
| 02:39 | still get a 'missing dep' error | |
| 02:41 | oooh, i got it :) | |
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| 03:00 | dcook | magnuse++ #This gist was really helpful! https://gist.github.com/MagnusEnger/1918264 |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | I thought F in reserves meant "found" not "finished" |
| 03:06 | rangi | filled |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | filled! |
| 03:07 | rangi | w = waiting (aka found) |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | err |
| 03:07 | rangi | you shouldnt have anything with F in your reserves table |
| 03:07 | they should all be in old_reserves | |
| 03:08 | in modern koha anyway | |
| 03:10 | mtj | does anyone have a preference for using 'squeeze' or 'squeeze-dev' for pkg-building stuff… in a prod situation? |
| 03:12 | my hunch is i should not be using 'dev' anything, for this… but was curious about what others may have used | |
| 03:12 | jcamins | mtj: generally I use packages based on the released versions. |
| 03:12 | And by "generally" I mean "I can think of no exception." | |
| 03:12 | mtj | yes, me too |
| 03:13 | (i'm attempting to build a 3.10.9 on squeeze) | |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | you're just doing it from a git checkout? |
| 03:14 | rangi | isnt there already a 3.10.9 on squeeze released? |
| 03:14 | mtj | …but i'm still getting a tricky dependency error from aptitude |
| 03:14 | rangi | probably your pbuilder has the wrong sources |
| 03:15 | mtj | yep, but… i'm adding 2 local patches to the 3.10.9 repo |
| 03:15 | rangi, yep i think so too | |
| 03:16 | just experimenting with diff pbuilder sources now | |
| 03:28 | rangi, thanks, looks like that fixed it ^^ :) | |
| 03:30 | vinz3g_ joined #koha | |
| 04:19 | dcook | Any Catalyst folks around to give tips on using the web service to import bibs? |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | define tips? |
| 04:20 | dcook | Good point |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 04:20 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | besides the obvious stated one ;) |
| 04:21 | which I would interpret as "I want to import bibs into koha using the web interface" | |
| 04:21 | is there a specific problem you are trying to solve? | |
| 04:21 | dcook | Well, I'm importing DC records from an OAI-PMH repository, transforming them to MARC21 using a XSLT, and now I need to feed them into Koha...preferably in a batch mode that allows for easy tracking/reversal |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | ok, and you are wanting to use the stage marc records for import? |
| 04:22 | dcook | I'm thinking that's the best way to do it. Yep. |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | have you tried it? |
| 04:22 | it might Just Work. | |
| 04:22 | dcook | Nope. Don't even know where to start. |
| 04:23 | wizzyrea | Tools -> Stage MARC records for import |
| 04:23 | dcook | Ah, well, I wanted it to be more automated than that |
| 04:23 | So that someone presses a button, and then they go to "Manage staged MARC records" | |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | oh, you mean like the connexion client |
| 04:24 | dcook | Although I suppose I could try using Tools -> Stage MARC records for import to see if it handles MARCXML and not just MARC... |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea: Maybe? | |
| 04:24 | wahanui | Maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]oclcappendix.html |
| 04:25 | you might be able to modify this to your purposes | |
| 04:26 | dcook | Hmm, possibly. Very possibly. |
| 04:26 | Thanks wizzyrea ^_^ | |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | yep yw :) |
| 04:27 | dcook | Hmm maybe not.. |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]desktopsetup.html < how you configure to connect to it |
| 04:31 | sounds like you just want to do what the connexion client does, but not with connexion (to me) | |
| 04:31 | dcook | Pretty much, I think |
| 04:32 | I'm looking at the import_bib script again | |
| 04:33 | Trying to figure out what params it wants | |
| 04:33 | bgkriegel | dcook: do you have your records in a file? you could convert to marc using yaz-marcdump -i marcxml -o marc file.marcxml > file.marc |
| 04:34 | dcook | Eww |
| 04:34 | No offense, bgkriegel, but that seems rather backwards :S | |
| 04:34 | bgkriegel | hehe, no problem :) |
| 04:34 | dcook | I'm retrieving them via an OAI-PMH web service, so they're just in memory until I do something with them |
| 04:34 | wizzyrea | I don't think Koha ingests marcxml through the web interface yet, but I could completely be wrong about that. |
| 04:35 | dcook | It should. I imagine it might only ingest marcxml actually |
| 04:35 | Yep, looks like just marcxml | |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea | then no, I don't have any tips for you ;) |
| 04:36 | dcook | hehe, you've helped heaps, Liz :) |
| 04:37 | I think this might do the trick | |
| 04:37 | I'm sure magnuse will have more info, as it was his idea originally | |
| 04:37 | Well, using the web service API at least | |
| 04:37 | This project has both been easier and harder than I originally anticipated | |
| 04:38 | Oh...I just had an idea for a matching rule using OAI-PMH identifiers.. | |
| 04:38 | On one hand, I want to design this thing well. On the other hand, it's tempting to just get a working prototype and then work from there | |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | perfect is the enemy of good |
| 04:39 | dcook | True as |
| 04:40 | You're the second person to mention that to me in the past few months. Maybe I should inscribe that over my desk. | |
| 04:40 | Huh...I never noticed how bare those walls are up there | |
| 04:42 | Hmm, except this web service API requires cookies and it seems a bit silly to use HTTP to do this job.. | |
| 04:42 | This should be more of a hand-off than a throw.. | |
| 04:44 | But I think I can use the same ideas.. | |
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| 05:04 | dcook | Oh my...I do believe I almost got it working... |
| 05:07 | Blearghhh | |
| 05:18 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:18 | dcook | Mind you, maybe staged management is silly...and it's best to just auto-import into the catalogue... |
| 05:18 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:21 | cait | :) |
| 05:56 | rangi | bwahaha |
| 05:56 | encrypt unnessecarily and waste resources :) | |
| 05:56 | thats about the most nonsensical thing ive heard for ages | |
| 05:56 | evening all | |
| 05:57 | dcook | O_o |
| 05:57 | evening rangi | |
| 05:59 | cait | evening rangi |
| 05:59 | and huh? :) | |
| 05:59 | rangi | you'll see |
| 05:59 | (on the list) | |
| 06:00 | * bag | goes to check |
| 06:00 | cait | oh. |
| 06:00 | OH. | |
| 06:01 | bag | :) |
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| 06:25 | dcook | Eww oai_marc... |
| 06:25 | http://www.openarchives.org/OA[…]ines-oai_marc.htm | |
| 06:25 | LoC strongly discouraged its use after 2002 at least... | |
| 06:25 | cait | @wunder konstanz |
| 06:25 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.1°C (8:25 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:28 | dcook | cait: How familiar are you with the 035 system control number field? |
| 06:29 | I'm trying to think of the best place to put this OAI-PMH identifier... | |
| 06:31 | cait | dcook: hm? |
| 06:32 | i think oyu need an identifier | |
| 06:32 | for the source | |
| 06:32 | and the id | |
| 06:32 | i think both go in 035 | |
| 06:32 | dcook | Yeah, it looks like it takes the form of: $a(source)identifier |
| 06:32 | cait | you could also put it in 001 (additionally) |
| 06:32 | and... there is a matching field for the source there | |
| 06:33 | dcook | You mean the 001/003? |
| 06:33 | cait | koha doesn't use 001 right now really, although we probably should have a way to set a number there automatically |
| 06:33 | dcook | Agreed. The 001 probably should be taking the 999$c |
| 06:33 | cait | well not for us |
| 06:33 | but for some people | |
| 06:33 | dcook | Actually, I was thinking about your situation... |
| 06:33 | cait | i am happy having our union catalog id in 001 because i have to match on that |
| 06:33 | dcook | How do you keep your union catalogue synced? |
| 06:34 | cait | importing every night currently |
| 06:34 | all the changed and updated records | |
| 06:34 | using the command line version of the staged marc record | |
| 06:35 | dcook | Sounds complicated |
| 06:35 | cait | i treally isn't |
| 06:35 | it's fully automated and works nicely | |
| 06:35 | dcook | Yeah? |
| 06:35 | Neato! | |
| 06:36 | I'm contemplating how best to set up this OAI-PMH harvesting.. | |
| 06:36 | I've successfully gone from Point A to Point B | |
| 06:36 | cait | but if there was oai harvesting.. maybe that could be a way to do it more instantly |
| 06:36 | instead of nightly | |
| 06:36 | dcook | Exported a record out of Koha as oai_dc, harvested it, transformed it from oai_dc to marcxml, then fed it back into Koha through the import_batches |
| 06:36 | cait | dcook: why do you need to put the id somewhere? |
| 06:36 | why not just import the records as they are? | |
| 06:37 | dcook | Mainly, I'm thinking for matching |
| 06:37 | cait | so what if they already have 001 set? |
| 06:37 | dcook | In that case, it would be fine, so long as you had a 001 matching rule, me thinks |
| 06:38 | cait | have to run :) |
| 06:38 | bbiab | |
| 06:38 | dcook | see you! :) |
| 06:44 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:45 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 06:45 | magnuse | g'day dcook |
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| 07:04 | bag | heya magnuse |
| 07:04 | wahanui | magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
| 07:04 | magnuse | kia ora bag |
| 07:04 | bag | well tall but maybe not a giant |
| 07:04 | :) | |
| 07:04 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:17 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:18 | bag | hey matts |
| 07:18 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:18 | kf | hi matts and bag |
| 07:18 | :) | |
| 07:18 | good morning #koha | |
| 07:19 | bag | heya kf |
| 07:21 | magnuse | hiya kf and matts |
| 07:21 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:21 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 26.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:21 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:21 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:22 | magnuse | heh |
| 07:22 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 07:22 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:23 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:23 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 21.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:23 | kf | oh |
| 07:23 | it feels a lot warmer | |
| 07:24 | magnuse | ouch |
| 07:25 | kf | yeah, i already want to take another shower :( |
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| 07:29 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m |
| 07:30 | sophie_m | hello magnuse |
| 07:30 | hi #koha | |
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| 07:33 | kf | bonjour sophie_m and paul_p |
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| 07:33 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:34 | kf | hi christophe_c :) |
| 07:34 | sophie_m | Guten Morgen kf |
| 07:35 | christophe_c | hello kf ;-) |
| 07:35 | kf | :) |
| 07:35 | happy librarian :) | |
| 07:37 | dcook | :D |
| 07:38 | Maybe I should encourage her to send patches into the community.. | |
| 07:38 | She's running our code but has her own server, so it's possible... | |
| 07:39 | kf | :) |
| 07:40 | dcook | Murrr...I should go home |
| 07:42 | kf | go home! |
| 07:43 | dcook | Maybe I'll just write some quick notes to myself...:p |
| 07:44 | * kf | glares at dcook pointing at the door |
| 07:48 | dcook | Notes made ^_^ |
| 07:49 | Since Koha uses datestamps that have date and time...we could potentially use OAI-PMH to update your union catalogue much more regularly than nightly... | |
| 07:49 | I'm just going to have to make sure that I put a lot of checks in... | |
| 07:50 | Anyway, that's for tomorrow! | |
| 07:50 | Have a good day, kf :). And everyone else! | |
| 07:50 | kf | dcook++ :) |
| 07:50 | magnuse | yeah dcook++ |
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| 08:50 | magnuse | bonjour paul_p - back from holiday? |
| 08:51 | paul_p | hi magnuse yep. for one week, then 2 new weeks AFK ! |
| 08:51 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:51 | afk++ | |
| 08:52 | paul_p | (including one not really holiday, because my loved wife is working again as midwife after 10 years of taking care of the family, so I'll take care of the childrens ;-) ) |
| 08:52 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:55 | kf | paul_p: hope she has a good start :) |
| 08:55 | magnuse | yeah |
| 08:56 | it must be quite a change for the whole family too... | |
| 08:57 | paul_p | kf = she had an awful one in fact. The midwife manager phone her after her first day, saying it was a really special day, with sooo much work. My wife made 2 more days already, and they were much smoother ;-) |
| 08:57 | magnuse & kf = do you plan to come to KohaCon13 ? | |
| 08:57 | kf | paul_p: hopefully it will stay that way than - wish her good luck from us? :) |
| 08:58 | paul_p: all booked :) | |
| 08:58 | magnuse | paul_p: sadly not :-( |
| 10:50 | the horror, the horror... | |
| 10:50 | kf | hm? |
| 10:59 | magnuse | working with MARC data... |
| 11:03 | kf | oh |
| 11:03 | * kf | sends cookies |
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| 11:05 | kf | release schedule? |
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| 11:20 | magnuse | yay, staff client is 100% translated to swedish |
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| 12:09 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:13 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 12:13 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 12:13 | huginn` | kf: Error: timed out |
| 12:13 | kf | hm boo |
| 12:13 | release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline | |
| 12:14 | release schedule? | |
| 12:14 | wahanui | release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 12:20 | oleonard | Not much time |
| 12:20 | kf | time runs fast yes |
| 12:21 | and lots of big things stuck in qa :( | |
| 12:22 | * oleonard | is looking at Bug 9811 |
| 12:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Patrons search improvements |
| 12:22 | oleonard | Uh oh, the browse by last name links don't work at all. |
| 12:23 | Oh wait, is it just thinking really hard? I see the "processing" message... | |
| 12:23 | kf | i think it's thinking really har |
| 12:23 | d | |
| 12:23 | at least it worked for me yestrday hm. | |
| 12:24 | probably a silly question - but did you shift reload? | |
| 12:24 | javascript caused lots of weirdness the first time i tried it out | |
| 12:24 | oleonard | I just did |
| 12:24 | magnuse | i tried the browse links on 3.12.3 this morning and they seemed to work fine |
| 12:24 | kf | oleonard++ # thx for taking a look :) |
| 12:24 | oleonard | I'm testing Bug 9811 magnuse |
| 12:25 | So when you first load members-home.pl it tries to load a batch of records? Based on what criteria? | |
| 12:25 | kf | based on indybranches i think all or your own |
| 12:26 | magnuse | ah, never mind me |
| 12:28 | oleonard | Looking at the POST data in the console suggests that it's trying to load all the patron records. |
| 12:28 | kf | hm |
| 12:28 | oleonard | I would expect the browser to have locked up if it were having trouble processing all that data though |
| 12:28 | kf | see... i knew you woudl spot something :) |
| 12:29 | oleonard: i think the processing is done server side... but not sure | |
| 12:29 | oleonard | Over 62000 patrons by the way. |
| 12:29 | kf | aweseome :) |
| 12:29 | seriously - i only had the sample data and it's great to get it tested with that many | |
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| 12:32 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 12:34 | kf | hi tcohen |
| 12:34 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 12:34 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 28.4°C (2:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:35 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 12:35 | huginn` | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 15.0°C (9:00 AM ART on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:41 | tcohen | kf, got your email, downloading right now |
| 12:43 | kf | ah ok |
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| 13:24 | tcohen | is there any documentation on the desired behaviour of reserves? any use case analysis doc? |
| 13:25 | kf | tcohen: nope - black hole |
| 13:25 | and we really really need more tests... | |
| 13:26 | hm well i think we got some tests for buildholdsqueue and the transportcostmatrix | |
| 13:26 | druthb | @excuse |
| 13:26 | huginn` | druthb: My excuse for today is "El Nino" |
| 13:26 | * druthb | thinks that's a good one. |
| 13:26 | oleonard | tcohen: What do you mean by desired behavior? |
| 13:26 | kf | bug 10663 triggered it I guess :) |
| 13:26 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals |
| 13:27 | kf | tcohen++ |
| 13:27 | tcohen | if someone fills a bug, how can i know it is a bug instead of a feature? |
| 13:27 | kf | tcohen: i think librrians expect it to work in some way... which is not a good way to determine |
| 13:27 | and 'it has always worked like that' maybe | |
| 13:28 | which is also quite horrible | |
| 13:28 | wahanui | okay, kf. |
| 13:28 | kf | lol |
| 13:28 | which? | |
| 13:28 | wahanui | somebody said which was quite horrible |
| 13:28 | oleonard | "It has always worked that way" is the same as "There has been a consensus that it should work this way" with regard to a lot of functionality |
| 13:29 | tcohen | i'm fine with 'it has always worked like that', guess we'll have to document it for posterity |
| 13:29 | kf | yeah... but having documented behaviour and use cases would be nicer :( |
| 13:29 | tcohen | i'm not asking for that docs, i'm just trying to catch up with the bug circumstances |
| 13:29 | kf | tcohen: hm i guess if your tests pass on a commit pre the rewrite and 3.12 we coudl assume that we have reverted it enough for now |
| 13:30 | tcohen | and will document it myself once we get it sorted |
| 13:30 | kf | and making the tests on CanBookBeRenewed |
| 13:30 | and CheckReserve - CheckReserveStatus has obvious holes, but it could be used for determining waiting status and item level hold status - but we woudl need to actually document that it's not suitable for anything else | |
| 13:31 | hm GetReserveStatus | |
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| 14:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1345 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 11 days ago) |
| 14:03 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8ca54eb943e41b261> / Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6982cedf6f13252a3> |
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| 14:11 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #25 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 14:21 | oleonard | Yes, Internet Explorer, I didn't mean for you to navigate to localhost:8888, I meant to search for it. That makes perfect sense. |
| 14:22 | A feature, I assume, for stopping potential security problems you can't otherwise prevent | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | oleonard: same thing for IP addresses, as I recall. You must add the http:// at the beginning and / at the end. |
| 14:24 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack IE programmers |
| 14:24 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 14:30 | oleonard | Gawd, IE, why are you so UGLY?! |
| 14:31 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:31 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 29.6°C (4:30 PM CEST on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:31 | kf | can't be true ... i am melting away |
| 14:36 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 14:36 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 20.6°C (9:51 AM EDT on August 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:36 | oleonard | Unusually cool here for August |
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| 14:49 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #25: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/25/ |
| 14:49 | * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves | |
| 14:49 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help | |
| 14:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update |
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| 15:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1345: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1345/ |
| 15:11 | * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10671: Help files for course reserves | |
| 15:11 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10671: correct minor issues in course reserves help | |
| 15:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10671 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , Koha 3.14 Help Files Update |
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| 15:31 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:39 | druthb | Hi, mtompset. |
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| 15:40 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. How are you? |
| 15:41 | druthb | Meh. I'm here. Not very perky today. |
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| 16:17 | mtompset | I know that feeling, druthb. Just working on screenshots and text for demonstration of the login patch I've got working in our QA system. :) |
| 16:18 | I must be hungry. For a minute there I thought I saw, "paste.koha-community.org for long pastries". | |
| 16:21 | druthb | lunch just arrived, here. It's Mexican, today. |
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| 16:51 | rambutan | Interesting read for javascripters: https://blog.torproject.org/bl[…]d-freedom-hosting |
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| 17:17 | pianohacker | Thankfully the actual shellcode isn't _too_ malicious: http://www.reddit.com/r/Revers[…]at_the_shellcode/ |
| 17:26 | gmcharlt: Did I answer your questions on bug 10320? | |
| 17:26 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search |
| 17:26 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: yes, thanks |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | okay, cool. Slowly getting back into the Koha groove, so wasn't sure I had the details down |
| 17:31 | gmcharlt: How's your day going? | |
| 17:31 | gmcharlt | just fine |
| 17:31 | you? | |
| 17:32 | mtompset | Greetings, rambutan pianohacker gmcharlt. |
| 17:33 | pianohacker | pretty good, just a slow monday |
| 17:33 | rambutan | mtompset: greetings |
| 17:45 | tcohen | Why the *** doesn't the AddReserve method return either the reserve id or the relevat reserve object? |
| 17:49 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 17:50 | mtompset | tcohen: Because someone wasn't thinking when they wrote it? ;) |
| 17:50 | tcohen | yes yes, i should be quiet instead of whining on the open, sorry for that |
| 17:51 | i mean, complaining | |
| 17:51 | oleonard | Who knows perhaps someone might have confessed to the crime |
| 17:52 | tcohen | its jst too rude |
| 17:52 | mtompset | Actually, because perhaps the person who wrote it the first time assumed that the calling function would check the reserves to see if it failed, because it was only called in one place at the time? |
| 17:53 | I know it seems dumb to do it that way, but it at least would make sense of what became a potential mess? Just a thought. | |
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| 18:17 | * magnuse | waves |
| 18:19 | pianohacker | Has anyone upgraded their Koha install to 2.4 yet? I'm getting odd "access denied by server configuration" errors |
| 18:20 | jcamins | 2.4 what? |
| 18:20 | pianohacker | sorry, Apache |
| 18:20 | jcamins | Ah. No. |
| 18:29 | mtompset | 2.4 isn't available via packages, except in Jessie or Sid, as far as I can tell. And why would you want to install from source? |
| 18:30 | tcohen | 2.4 is coming in 13.10, and should be available to wheeze-dev |
| 18:30 | pianohacker | mtompset: My personal/dev machine is running Jessie |
| 18:30 | honestly, how could I not? | |
| 18:31 | magnuse | tee hee |
| 18:31 | mtompset | really, tcohen? |
| 18:31 | jcamins | pianohacker: Agreed. It would just seem wrong for you not to be. |
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| 19:25 | oleonard | I wonder if libraries who display the barcode in the OPAC really need that barcode to appear in its own sortable column... |
| 19:25 | * magnuse | thinks not |
| 19:28 | mtompset | sort on barcode? |
| 19:28 | We like to display it, but I haven't had someone ask for it to be sorted. | |
| 19:29 | oleonard | mtompset: I'm looking in particular in the OPAC at the logged-in user's summary page (opac-user.pl) |
| 19:29 | That table gets very wide if you have a long barcode showing | |
| 19:30 | pianohacker | oleonard: Perhaps some automatic ­ insertion? |
| 19:30 | oleonard | In a barcode? |
| 19:30 | mtompset | define "long"? |
| 19:30 | * jcamins | agrees with magnuse. |
| 19:31 | oleonard | mtompset: 14 digits |
| 19:33 | mtompset | Well, my summary is quite empty, let me get a checkout done here... I would suspect if it is easier to make it sortable than unsortable, I'd go easier, though sortable seems like overkill to me. |
| 19:37 | oleonard | I'm tempted to put it into the "title" table cell in order to cut down on the number of columns |
| 19:38 | mtompset | oooo.... no, don't do that. |
| 19:38 | barcode on its own is nice. | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | mtompset: why? |
| 19:39 | mtompset | there's something about reading a heading "barcode" and seeing the column that makes finding the barcode easier than putting in with the title. |
| 19:40 | That's just my gut feeling. | |
| 19:40 | jcamins | mtompset: okay, but why should any of us care about that? |
| 19:40 | Including you. | |
| 19:41 | mtompset | don't we checkout by barcode? |
| 19:41 | jcamins | In the OPAC list of items a patron has out? |
| 19:41 | No. | |
| 19:42 | mtompset | I suppose only a staffer would care about barcode. |
| 19:42 | A general patron probably wouldn't. | |
| 19:45 | Hmmm... that's interestng. I checked out a lost book, and upon check-in, it is available. | |
| 19:45 | oleonard | That is to be expected mtompset |
| 19:46 | mtompset | shouldn't there be a warning about checking out a lost book? |
| 19:46 | But that is expected, if you checked out a book and checked it back in. | |
| 19:46 | oleonard | Oh maybe. The part which I would have expected was the availability upon checkin |
| 19:47 | What is the circulation staff supposed to do with the knowledge that the item was lost? | |
| 19:47 | ...during checkout? | |
| 19:47 | mtompset | Tell their supervisor a lost book was found? :) |
| 19:48 | Check to make sure they typed in the correct barcode? | |
| 19:49 | oleonard | Those don't sound like plausible examples to me. |
| 19:50 | mtompset | mistyping a barcode is not plausible? |
| 19:50 | Not everyone has scanners. | |
| 19:51 | oleonard | Under what circumstances should you distrust a barcode entry? |
| 19:51 | You could just as easily have mis-typed a barcode from another available book. | |
| 19:52 | mtompset | True enough, I suppose. But if an item is marked lost, don't that increase the chances of a typo? |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Not really, no. |
| 19:53 | Unless a significant percentage of your collection is marked lost as a euphemism for "we don't own this." | |
| 19:53 | In which case you're doing it wrong. | |
| 19:53 | mtompset | So, you are telling me that people mark books lost willy nilly, and that they constantly find them? |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Not willy-nilly, just when the books aren't truly lost, yes. |
| 19:54 | One of the more common cases is where a patron walks out with a book that wasn't checked out properly to them. | |
| 19:54 | Someone else wants the book, requests a search, and when it's not found it's marked lost. | |
| 19:55 | mtompset | Then the person returns it. |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Then the original patron returns the book. |
| 19:55 | Exactly. | |
| 19:55 | Based on my experiences at one of the large universities here in the city, about 10% of the books that leave a library like that have not actually been checked out. | |
| 19:56 | mtompset | Really? That's higher than I would have expected. |
| 19:56 | jcamins | And I've worked with a library that complains of rates much higher. |
| 19:56 | Their students have a 25% misscan rate. | |
| 19:56 | (they say) | |
| 19:57 | mtompset | 25%?! |
| 19:58 | jcamins | They didn't know it was possible to turn on checksumming in their barcode scanners. |
| 19:58 | So the scanner was beeping and the students were giving patrons the books, even though a quarter of the time it was a misscan. | |
| 19:59 | I recommended turning on checksumming so the scanner won't beep when it doesn't scan properly. | |
| 19:59 | mtompset | And that's with barcode scanners. I'm worried about our case which is more of a people have to type it. |
| 20:01 | jcamins | Unfortunately, the only solution is to teach your circ staff to *actually check that the book they have matches what comes up*. |
| 20:05 | oleonard | Now that's crazy-talk |
| 20:05 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 20:09 | * oleonard | threatens to assign Bug 4461 to jcamins since it was his idea |
| 20:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4461 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Context-sensitive report a problem screen |
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| 20:14 | jcamins | bug 4461 |
| 20:14 | Oh. | |
| 20:14 | I do it with JS. | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Hi SherryS |
| 20:16 | druthb | jcamins: Do it with lisp! http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 20:16 | jcamins | $('#link').click(function () { window.location = '/path/to/context-sensitive-form?url=' + window.location.href; }) for anyone wondering. |
| 20:21 | oleonard | Later #koha |
| 20:26 | mtompset | How does that JS put a link on the page? |
| 20:27 | jcamins | mtompset: it doesn't. That's the context part. |
| 20:28 | mtompset | Do you use JS to put the link on the page in one of the OPAC system preferences? |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 20:29 | mtompset | druthb++ # nice xkcd. :) |
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| 20:50 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 20:51 | mtompset | Greetingd, wizzyrea. :) |
| 20:51 | Greetings, nengard. :) | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | hi and bye |
| 20:51 | nengard | hi |
| 20:52 | mtompset | Nice reports permission in koha blurb. |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | nengard you should have rights to update that page in the website |
| 20:57 | but I think probably better just to not put the version on there. | |
| 20:58 | because let's be honest - everybody's demo has their own special sauce on it and could hardly be called a canonical demo of stock Koha. | |
| 20:59 | nengard | i didn't try to update the page, was just trying to get the people with demos to update their own info :) |
| 20:59 | but i think we had the version on there so we could see which demo was which | |
| 20:59 | so you could pick the one best for you | |
| 20:59 | i'm not picky though | |
| 20:59 | whatever everyone decides | |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | no, there was no good reason except that is how it was when the previous owners had the site |
| 21:00 | jcamins | I have a suggestion: remove the page, and link to the wiki. |
| 21:00 | Then people other than wizzyrea and nengard can update the page if they so desire. | |
| 21:00 | nengard | works for me |
| 21:00 | alright i'm out for the day | |
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| 21:03 | * magnuse | agrees with jcamins |
| 21:03 | mtompset | jcamins++ # good idea regarding the demo page. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | mmm not sure I agree with that. In fact, I'd rather we didn't do vendor based demos at all. But since that's what we've got... that's what we've got. |
| 21:07 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it seems to me that if we're going to be advertising the demos, at least the information should be somewhere that the people who have access to the information have access to. |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | yea, I would rather we had a stock only demo Koha |
| 21:08 | magnuse | wizzyrea: is there an alternative to "vendor based demos"? |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | and the vendors can advertise their demos on the wiki. |
| 21:08 | jcamins | I imagine that magnuse's demo is stock only, since it auto-updates every night. |
| 21:08 | magnuse | yup |
| 21:08 | mtompset | magnuse++ # cheers for basic defaults. :) |
| 21:08 | magnuse | head.bibkat.no is master |
| 21:09 | demo.bibkat.no runs off the same package install as my customers, which is currently the official packages | |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | then we should use yours ;) |
| 21:10 | magnuse | but it's normarc, which might come as a surpris to some ;-) |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | sorry I have to run away |
| 21:10 | bbl | |
| 21:12 | magnuse | and i need some sleep - see ya in ~9! |
| 21:16 | rangi | morning |
| 21:25 | mtompset | Greetings, rangi. :) |
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| 21:41 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 7 August 2013 at 02:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
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| 23:19 | tcohen | cait? |
| 23:19 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
| 23:19 | cait | :) |
| 23:19 | yeah? | |
| 23:19 | tcohen | did u get my email? |
| 23:19 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. :) |
| 23:19 | cait | hm work mail? |
| 23:20 | can't access that now | |
| 23:20 | too late | |
| 23:20 | tcohen | np, its just that you were right |
| 23:20 | i sent you a pointer to my github, so u see how i fixed it | |
| 23:20 | mtompset | She frequently is. :) |
| 23:21 | tcohen | i'm stuck writing the unit tests |
| 23:21 | because the whole scenario is not straightforward to build | |
| 23:21 | mtompset | YUCK! Those necessary evils. |
| 23:21 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 23:21 | i will look now if you got the link? | |
| 23:22 | tcohen | github.com/tomascohen |
| 23:22 | https://github.com/tomascohen/koha | |
| 23:22 | https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]8eafffe35af03c5e5 | |
| 23:23 | cait | hm running out of battery on the tablet |
| 23:23 | might be right back | |
| 23:24 | tcohen: cool fix :) 3 lines | |
| 23:24 | :) | |
| 23:25 | tcohen | https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]5470f494614d96a21 |
| 23:25 | ^^^ this is what I need to re-check | |
| 23:25 | cait | i am not at work tomorrow - so can't test |
| 23:25 | but maybe wednesday, i hope | |
| 23:26 | tcohen | np cait |
| 23:26 | i'll try to make some advance on the unit tests | |
| 23:26 | cait | :) |
| 23:26 | you are a hero :) | |
| 23:26 | tcohen | i'm missing proper circ rules i guess |
| 23:26 | cait | and do i spot my name there in the tests? |
| 23:26 | :) | |
| 23:27 | tcohen | Mrs Reservation, Katrin |
| 23:27 | cait | heh yes |
| 23:27 | not sure, but maybe could reuse some of the scenarios i had for checkreserve status? | |
| 23:27 | like... item level hold.. no hold, 2 items, one with item level hold, etc. | |
| 23:28 | mtompset | tcohen++ # nice use of names. ;) |
| 23:28 | tcohen | right, i'll do that cait |
| 23:28 | thanks | |
| 23:29 | cait | no thx to you |
| 23:29 | that gave me a lot of headache | |
| 23:31 | mtompset | is autocommit off and rollback all that are needed for a test to not change the DB?! |
| 23:31 | jcamins | mtompset: yes. |
| 23:32 | cait | quite easy once someone came up with that idea :) |
| 23:32 | good night all :) | |
| 23:33 | mtompset | So, I could test::www::mechanize a whole bunch of scenarios and just autocommit off and rollback? |
| 23:33 | rangi | no |
| 23:34 | mtompset | I knew I was missing something. |
| 23:34 | rangi | its only valid for that database handle |
| 23:34 | you switch autocommit off in your script, that doesnt affect any other scripts | |
| 23:35 | so when you start hitting the website with mechanize | |
| 23:35 | different db handles | |
| 23:35 | mtompset | right. :( |
| 23:35 | rangi | if you want to do it with mechanize |
| 23:35 | to test a lot | |
| 23:35 | first thing it does is dump the db | |
| 23:35 | run all the tests | |
| 23:35 | reload the db | |
| 23:42 | * cait | really goes to sleep now :) |
| 23:42 | cait | good night :) |
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| 23:45 | pianohacker | kk, good night all |
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| 23:52 | tcohen | night cait |
| 23:54 | hi rangi | |
| 23:55 | rangi | hi tcohen |
| 23:56 | tcohen | got my reservation code for the flight |
| 23:56 | :-D | |
| 23:56 | dcook | \o/ |
| 23:56 | awesome, tcohen! | |
| 23:56 | tcohen | it is :-D |
| 23:57 | will book for the hotel tomorrow | |
| 23:57 | looks like there are three towers? | |
| 23:57 | dcook | I think so |
| 23:58 | I think one is more expensive than the others? | |
| 23:59 | rangi | yep |
| 23:59 | wizzyrea | tcohen: love your test biblio in your tests for circ :P |
| 23:59 | rangi | dolphin and something |
| 23:59 | are teh same price | |
| 23:59 | and then the other one is more expensive |
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