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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:16 | BobB | bag are you about? |
| 00:26 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:26 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 00:27 | Apparently this is the morning of long rants | |
| 00:27 | On my part :p | |
| 00:29 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 01:03 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:18 | mtj | peeps, can i get someone to help me with some WTF perl code… please |
| 01:18 | /C4/ImportExportFramework.pm, line 1023 | |
| 01:19 | if (($ok = scalar(keys %fields2Delete)) > 0) { … } | |
| 01:19 | druthb | If there are any fields2Delete, then... |
| 01:19 | keys produces an array of the hash, with the names of the keys. The scalar then counts how many there are.. | |
| 01:20 | mtj | ok, so wouldnt that just be... |
| 01:20 | if ( scalar(keys %fields2Delete) > 0 ) { … } | |
| 01:20 | or… | |
| 01:20 | if ( scalar(keys %fields2Delete) ) { … } | |
| 01:20 | druthb | The $ok just stashes that number in $ok. If you use it somewhere else, you'll need it, rather than recalculating it. |
| 01:21 | mtj | its the '$ok = ' assignment thats confusing me here :/ |
| 01:21 | druthb | if $ok is not used later to do something based on how many there are, then either of your forms would work. TIMTOWTDI. |
| 01:23 | mtj | ah, click |
| 01:23 | i didnt click that the assigment was appening before the evaluation :/ | |
| 01:23 | druthb | For *readability*, including the > 0 is a good idea, but functionally, it'll be the same, since the hash will never have less than zero keys. |
| 01:25 | mtj | ah, and then later…. |
| 01:25 | if (($numDeletedAux = _import_table() | |
| 01:26 | thanks for the brainslap ruth | |
| 01:26 | druthb | no worries! Glad to help. |
| 01:26 | I was worried I might be out of practice; don't get to brainslap as often these days. My new coworkers are *scary* smart. | |
| 01:27 | As good a dev as everyone seems to think I am in these parts--I'm a moron next to some of my teammates. | |
| 01:34 | mtj | you're in safe company, with me |
| 01:41 | mtompset | For readability, I personally like the assignments out of the if conditions. Though, I am not sure if that is the preferred standard thing to do. |
| 01:41 | rangi | i do too |
| 01:41 | but thats a just personal preference | |
| 01:48 | mtj | yeah, me too… ill take KISS over TIMMYTOADY any day |
| 01:49 | jcamins | Just as an aside, can't you just do `if (%fields2Delete)`? |
| 01:50 | I mean, if there are no keys, the hash is empty. | |
| 01:50 | And if the hash is empty, it's false. | |
| 01:50 | mtompset | *smirk* Perhaps someone else was overthinking it too, druthb? ;) |
| 01:51 | druthb | It does happen. It's like dandruff; lots of people have it and seem to get substantial pleasure from fiddling with it, but it's generally not a *huge* problem. |
| 01:53 | mtompset | Because jcamins' suggested if is short and elegant. :) |
| 01:56 | druthb | There's a fine line to be found between elegance/cleverness, and readability; depending on who's maintaining your code, that line could *move.* |
| 01:56 | a ternary if statement buried inside a map statement is short and elegant, but a challenge to read. | |
| 02:10 | mtompset | map statements are harder to read than if statements. :P |
| 02:11 | druthb | yep. Koha doesn't use many of either--and given the raft of people we'd like to contribute code, that's probably a good thing. |
| 02:21 | mtompset | mtj: Are you still doing the document clean up thing? |
| 02:21 | documentation. | |
| 02:21 | wahanui | i heard documentation was at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 02:22 | mtompset | Thanks, wahanui. |
| 02:22 | wahanui | no worries mtompset |
| 02:24 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 02:24 | wahanui | :) |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | what are we gonna do about all of these unimarc bugs |
| 03:09 | *that need signoff | |
| 03:23 | bag | BobB: I am now |
| 03:29 | druthb | hi, bag! |
| 03:29 | bag | heya druthb - have fun with the drone? |
| 03:34 | mtompset | does anyone have good links as to why running a production system from a live dvd is a stupid idea? |
| 03:34 | druthb | so far, yeah. Fun for torturing the cats. :) |
| 03:35 | Irma1 | bag Hi! Bobb is now irma1 |
| 03:36 | bag | hey BobB as Irma1 |
| 03:36 | HA druthb that sounds really fun and funny | |
| 03:36 | Irma1 | bag ;-) |
| 03:37 | re OpacLocalCoverImage | |
| 03:37 | and using Koha as a CMS | |
| 03:37 | * druthb | tries to picture BobB trying to disguise himself as Irma. Don't think it'd work. |
| 03:38 | Irma1 | the resolution of the image when max pixels full size 800x600 is still too small for one to be able to read ... let's say a scanned arched letter from 1920 |
| 03:38 | g'day druthb ;-0 | |
| 03:39 | *archived letter | |
| 03:39 | bag | ah Irma1 I'm wondering if 800x600 is a hardcoded limit somewhere in the code? |
| 03:39 | druthb | I would think using Koha as a CMS would be like trying to put shoes on the wrong feet. Sure, but.... |
| 03:39 | Irma1 | I think it is |
| 03:40 | so what I am trying to do can't be done at the moment ... | |
| 03:41 | but could it be an enhancement of OpacLocalCoverImage and would receive a new name OpacLocalDocumentImage ... | |
| 03:42 | bag | yeah something like that… |
| 03:42 | druthb: it works for small local history things - but not a big CMS :) | |
| 03:42 | IMO but that O doesn't always agree with everyone :D | |
| 03:43 | druthb | That's my thinking, too. Photos, maybe, but documents.. it'd be like Bob trying to put on Irma's heels. Difficult. |
| 03:45 | Irma1 | bag have you been asked for this requirement rarely or often? |
| 03:45 | mtompset | Have a good day, #koha. |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | Irma - the other thing to do |
| 03:45 | would be to use the 856u as Image thinger | |
| 03:45 | and keep the files elsewhere. | |
| 03:45 | bag | well rarely for docs |
| 03:46 | but all time for images | |
| 03:46 | docs libraries here ask to attach them to borrowers | |
| 03:46 | Irma1 | hi wizzyrea ... yes but libraries need to have an "elsewhere" or keep asking us to store the document for them on our servers |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | that's fine, just don't store them *in* koha |
| 03:46 | store them *beside* koha | |
| 03:47 | as an example | |
| 03:47 | and probably a bad one | |
| 03:48 | wordpress offers super easy file system based uploading of pictures | |
| 03:48 | you could give them a wordpress, have them upload through that, then link to it | |
| 03:48 | bag | yeah those are good ideas |
| 03:48 | if you want higher resolution. | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | or something like a Gallery |
| 03:48 | same deal | |
| 03:48 | Irma1 | my question is really for libraries that can't afford an "elsewhere" but also can't afford our time to upload scanned documents on a daily basis ... |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | no, they would be doing it |
| 03:49 | Irma1 | good suggestions wizzyrea thanks |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | you would just be hosting the mechanism |
| 03:49 | by which they got them to your server | |
| 03:49 | they would be responsible for putting in the 856's | |
| 03:49 | http://www.google.co.nz/url?sa[…]bv.48705608,d.d2k | |
| 03:49 | oh bad link | |
| 03:49 | sec | |
| 03:49 | www.galleryproject.org | |
| 03:50 | ^ pretty simple image storage | |
| 03:50 | bag | one problem of placing high res photos in koha - would be the database would be very bloated really quickly - which is fine if you don't care about speed |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | yea, I always thought keeping them in the DB was a mistake |
| 03:50 | FS much faster. | |
| 03:50 | if you have good IO | |
| 03:51 | gallery is good because it automagically does stuff like thumbnails | |
| 03:51 | wp does too | |
| 03:51 | Irma1 | do you know what their max image dimension is? |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | I think they accept any size. |
| 03:53 | Irma1 | worthwhile exploring further ... thank you and talk soon wizzyrea, bag and druthb 8-) |
| 03:53 | bag | later Bob as Irma1 |
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| 04:51 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:52 | Oak | jcamins++ |
| 04:52 | * Oak | waves |
| 05:08 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:12 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 05:50 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 05:51 | dcook | Having xchat issues today... |
| 05:51 | mtj: Are you around? | |
| 05:51 | I seem to have trouble finding the bug that adds the new MARC21 fields... | |
| 05:52 | Of course, as soon as I say that, I find it :P | |
| 05:57 | * cait | waves |
| 05:57 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:57 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.8°C (7:55 AM CEST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:59 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 06:00 | dcook | Bah...internet or xchat... |
| 06:00 | bug 5858 | |
| 06:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Update default MARC21 framework to Update No. 16 (April 2013) |
| 06:01 | dcook | marcelr++ |
| 06:04 | cait | morning dcook |
| 06:04 | dcook | hey ya cait :) |
| 06:05 | How's the morning going? | |
| 06:09 | cait | just started |
| 06:09 | so far so good :) | |
| 06:09 | dcook | Yay! |
| 06:29 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:29 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 06:29 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:29 | @wunder boo | |
| 06:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
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| 06:31 | magnuse | bonjour christophe_c |
| 06:31 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:31 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 06:31 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 21.0°C (8:08 AM CEST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:31 | christophe_c | salut magnuse ;-) |
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| 06:35 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 06:35 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:35 | wahanui | que tal, alex_a |
| 06:36 | paul_p | good morning magnuse |
| 06:36 | yesterday the "tour de france" arrived in Marseille. Big trouble in traffic ... (I didn't went to see it) | |
| 06:37 | magnuse | yeah, i saw a brief glimpse on the news |
| 06:37 | someone from norway came in second place, i think | |
| 06:38 | paul_p | After a meeting, at 10:30PM, I tried to come back home, and had to face some police & closed roads... |
| 06:39 | magnuse | yeah, it must be crazy |
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| 06:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:45 | reiveune | hey magnuse dcook :) |
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| 06:46 | dcook | hey ya reiveune :) |
| 06:46 | salut gaetan_B | |
| 06:46 | gaetan_B | hellol #koha |
| 06:46 | salut dcook, ça va ? | |
| 06:48 | dcook | Oui, ça va assez bien :). Ca va? |
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| 06:52 | jajm | hello |
| 06:52 | wahanui | niihau, jajm |
| 06:53 | alex_a | niihau jajm :) |
| 06:55 | gaetan_B | dcook: yep je quitte l'Irak ce soir, le projet est bientôt fini :) |
| 06:56 | anyone knows at what time our translation manager is usually around there ? | |
| 07:01 | magnuse | i think bgkriegel shows up around the same time as other americans - ~1pm our time? |
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| 07:03 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:07 | rangi | evening |
| 07:09 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 07:10 | dcook | gaetan_B: C'est super! Bon voyage ce soir :). |
| 07:10 | morning drojf | |
| 07:11 | I think it's time for me to run for the night.. | |
| 07:11 | drojf | hi dcook |
| 07:11 | and good night :) | |
| 07:11 | dcook | Thanks :) |
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| 07:14 | dcook | night / bonne soirée |
| 07:18 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:18 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 21.3°C (9:13 AM CEST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:19 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:19 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:20 | drojf | ugh. it's almost dark and looks like ~10°. if it is in fact >20 under these conditions it will be really unpleasant |
| 07:20 | * drojf | considers hiding in bed |
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| 07:23 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:23 | drojf | bonjour asaurat |
| 07:28 | magnuse | kia ora rangi drojf sophie_m asaurat |
| 07:29 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 07:33 | Viktor joined #koha | |
| 07:34 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:34 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 07:34 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 37.0°C (12:00 PM PKT on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:35 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:35 | gah, too late :-) | |
| 07:35 | hiya Viktor | |
| 07:35 | Viktor | Hej magnuse |
| 07:35 | Oak | :) |
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| 08:12 | paul_p | all = welcome to Mael, clrh baby, that was born 30 hours ago ! |
| 08:13 | drojf | aaaw. congratulations clrh! |
| 08:14 | and a new koha developer soon :D | |
| 08:16 | magnuse | yay, congrats to clrh and her family! |
| 08:16 | and to biblibre :-) | |
| 08:19 | rangi | congrats!!! |
| 08:22 | magnuse | cool name! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maelstrom :-) |
| 08:23 | heh, both Moskstraumen and Saltstraumen are within spitting distance (almost) of where i live :-) | |
| 08:38 | rangi | hm the thanks emails are all nice, but i think missing the point :) |
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| 08:42 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
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| 08:44 | sami | Hi! |
| 08:45 | rangi | hi sami, eythian and samueld |
| 08:45 | sami | I need to install koha on my server, so could someone provide me link where I can find instructions oh how to do it. |
| 08:46 | samueld | sami: look at this link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gory:Installation |
| 08:47 | now, it depends on the system which is installed on your server and the method you want to use (git,tarball, debian package..) | |
| 08:48 | magnuse | rangi: did you ever get the my_prove part of MyTAP to work? |
| 08:48 | rangi | its been a long time since i tried, i cant remember |
| 08:49 | magnuse | ok, no worries |
| 08:50 | sami | I created a website on http://www.000webhost.com/, and I m trying to install koha on it |
| 08:50 | drojf | sami: if you do not know what all that means and you plan on USING koha, not DEVLOPING it, you want http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 08:50 | developing even | |
| 08:52 | sami: you cannot run koha on a webhosting solution. you'd need a vserver or root server. you are not allowed to install software on what you got there | |
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| 08:53 | drojf | (it would be fancy if webhosting companies offered koha as a oneclick software option as they do with wordpress etc. though) |
| 08:53 | sami | yeah |
| 08:54 | Viktor_away | Great idea! |
| 08:54 | drojf | hej Viktor_active |
| 08:55 | Viktor | Hi drojf |
| 08:55 | sami | So the only options for me to run Koha is to run it on my PC or rent a sever? |
| 08:55 | magnuse | well some of us do offer services quite similar to that :-) |
| 08:56 | Viktor | magnuse Yes. It's mostly a psychological difference. |
| 08:57 | drojf | magnuse: but you offer only koha, not all the usual stuff you get with a webhosting i assume. i think i can click stuff like mediawiki, forums, webshops, wordpress etc |
| 08:57 | magnuse | http://mykoha.co.nz/ is probably the most streamlined offer |
| 08:57 | drojf: true | |
| 08:57 | but i'd like to offer something like that to libraries | |
| 08:58 | just check which "web things" your library needs, and it will be up and running in 2 minutes | |
| 08:58 | it'll take a while before i get there, though :-) | |
| 08:59 | Viktor | Interesting. That would be useful. |
| 08:59 | But the really big deal is an import function. | |
| 09:00 | It's not very many (over here at least) that start from the beginning. | |
| 09:00 | drojf | given all the possible formats it seems highly unlikely to work automatically |
| 09:00 | Viktor | A clean install is more relevant with wiki, forums, blogs etc. For Koha importing from the old system is more important. |
| 09:00 | drojf Very much so yes... | |
| 09:01 | But for Swedish public libraries you could cover nearly all the market with three import formats. | |
| 09:01 | But keeping them up to date is difficult... | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | yeah, and i think there will always be local variations that you have to account for, sadly |
| 09:02 | Viktor | Maybe if the librarians themselves could map field in the old database to the new. |
| 09:03 | But it would be a lot of work anyway. | |
| 09:03 | magnuse true | |
| 09:09 | drojf | keeping it up to date and making local variations work might take longer than to do the import without complete automation ;) |
| 09:13 | magnuse | drojf: true |
| 09:14 | there could be an automated, low quality service for free "we'll get your data into koha, but with no guarantee that it's perfect", and then a paid service with custom import scripts etc, perhaps | |
| 09:16 | Viktor | magnuse That might work. A "basic (automated)" import option would be useful for libraries to try it out with their own data. |
| 09:18 | magnuse | yup, and see how much goes wrong |
| 09:18 | and if it's worth it to pay for custom work | |
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| 09:29 | Viktor | magnuse Sounds like a good idea if it can be done without too much effort |
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| 09:31 | Viktor | btw I noticed something that can be a problem. When checking out books you can scan decently fast. But if a message lights up you loose focus from the checkout box and scan the barcode to patrons instead. |
| 09:31 | magnuse | Viktor: it would take a bit of effort, i think :-) |
| 09:32 | Viktor | magnuse - Yes, and it's only really relevant to libraries that already have control over their data. |
| 09:33 | magnuse Since everyone has to pay a quite large amount to get their data out so they can take Koha for a spin I don't think it's really all that helpful. | |
| 09:33 | magnuse Or - it is. It's just that other things create obstacles. | |
| 09:33 | drojf | it could probably be a out of the box feature in koha. "try to make the best of whatever data you throw at it" |
| 09:34 | magnuse | obstacles-- |
| 09:35 | Viktor | drojf Getting a visual interface to whatever data you import and be able to map it as you like would be sweet. And useful to some at least. Many still run their own server and might be able to just import the whole database. |
| 09:36 | It takes some thinking any which way... | |
| 09:37 | drojf | i don't think we will see this developed without some libraries paying it. it might be an antifeature for companies that do koha development and data import to pay themselves for a feature that will lead to less people paying for data import |
| 09:37 | Viktor | Maybe a connector that screenscrapes opacs could be useful for those who just want to see their own titles and add a few borrowers etc? |
| 09:38 | (I've built such scripts for other uses) | |
| 09:38 | drojf | cool, you got the job! :) |
| 09:38 | Viktor | drojf :) |
| 09:39 | I have to update to connectors for Libra.se and Book-IT here during the autumn I think so I'll keep it in mind. | |
| 09:40 | But I'd be very happy if I could get out of creating valid MARC records. | |
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| 09:41 | drojf | that reminds me i started doing that for movie data from IMDB at some point. it's somewhere on the very-low-priority todo pile i think |
| 09:43 | Viktor | Sound like fun. But these things have a way of getting stuck on that pile :) |
| 09:43 | drojf | it's a huge pile :D |
| 09:43 | Viktor | But I'll at least save the idea for later |
| 09:43 | It truly is :) | |
| 09:43 | drojf | one day i will get stuck under that pile :/ |
| 09:44 | nah it's nice to know i will not be bored until the end of the world. so many unfinished stuff and ideas | |
| 09:44 | much stuff, many ideas | |
| 09:44 | my english is very german today | |
| 09:45 | Viktor | Time is a bigger problem than ideas for sure :) |
| 09:46 | Is there a way to place holds on stuff that don't have any items yet? So you're first in line when the library actually gets item. | |
| 09:48 | drojf | not sure if that works when you do not use item level holds |
| 09:48 | i mean the place holds on specific items thing | |
| 09:52 | Viktor | Ah yes. Might want to fiddle a bit with those settings. |
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| 09:53 | Viktor | It's not critical for go live, but we'll sync records of things we order from the national database and would like the patrons to be able to place holds. |
| 09:54 | kf | Viktor: I think what you would do is have an on order item |
| 09:54 | you can do that using acq | |
| 09:54 | add items on order | |
| 09:54 | drojf | yay, kf to the rescue |
| 09:54 | Viktor | Thanks kf |
| 09:55 | I did notice there seems to be a way to handle this with the acquisitions module. | |
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| 09:55 | Viktor | We'll just drop the records in without starting in acquisitions I think. |
| 09:55 | kf | I think allowing holds on records without items... you are in for lots of trouble |
| 09:55 | and it's strictly not possible right now | |
| 09:56 | Viktor | Would it be possible to do something like "get all new records every night and create an order basket and add order items for them"? |
| 09:57 | kf | you could create on order items outside of acq too |
| 09:57 | Viktor | Great new kf |
| 09:57 | kf | it's basically just an item that has a status that says it's not there yet so the patron can see |
| 09:57 | not much magic about that | |
| 09:57 | :) | |
| 09:57 | if you use notforloan -1 it will also show up in result lists | |
| 09:57 | as on order | |
| 09:57 | and it will show in the detail screen | |
| 09:57 | that's all about it basically | |
| 09:58 | Viktor | Great - thanks! |
| 09:58 | kf | and when the item is really there, you add the missing information to the item |
| 09:58 | if you created it in acq you can do it from there, if not in cataloguing | |
| 10:01 | Viktor | Will we have to script the creation of acq items? |
| 10:02 | We'll sync the records each night from an FTP-server and import. | |
| 10:02 | Then I hope to quite quickly move to OAI-PMH and then in 2014 to Pubsubhubbub. | |
| 10:06 | eythian | hi |
| 10:06 | Viktor | Hi eythian |
| 10:07 | kf | Viktor: not sure |
| 10:07 | if you had something in your program that added a simple 952 tag to the records that should work | |
| 10:07 | but i am not sure about the workflows | |
| 10:07 | maybe better talk to magnuse about it | |
| 10:07 | hi w< | |
| 10:08 | hi eythian | |
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| 10:08 | Viktor | kf Thanks for the input. I will talk to Magnus about it. I just like to learn and become a more informed customer :) |
| 10:11 | drojf | Viktor++ # koha provider's dream customer :) |
| 10:11 | hi eythian | |
| 10:11 | Viktor | drojf :) |
| 10:12 | magnuse | Viktor: we will have to create a custom script/cronjob to fetch the records and import them. adding a basic 952 tag for an item would be easy peasy. then that could be enhanced or replaced when the item is actually received. complicating factor: we might want to tie the fake items to branches, if patrons can only place holds on stuff that belong to their own library... |
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| 10:12 | magnuse | yup, Viktor is pretty much the dream customer incarnate :-) |
| 10:12 | Viktor | magnuse :) |
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| 11:13 | gaetan_B | kf: i'm creating an account to the person in charge of the kurdish translation |
| 11:14 | we'll need to give him admin rights on the kurdish project so that he can upload files ? or anyone can do that ? | |
| 11:15 | it looks like i can give him these permissions myself | |
| 11:17 | kf | gaetan_B: hm i think i could, but i haven't talked with bgkriegel yet |
| 11:17 | i think he hasn't revoked my admin permissions, but I would like to check with him | |
| 11:17 | gaetan_B: could you send an email to the koha-translate mailingl ist? | |
| 11:17 | gaetan_B | kf: he went through the account creation form but hasn't received an activation email, does it usually take time ? |
| 11:17 | kf | hm |
| 11:17 | not sure | |
| 11:18 | gaetan_B | kf: if i go in the project on the permissions tab, i can give users permissions actually |
| 11:18 | kf | it hsould work in theory |
| 11:18 | ah | |
| 11:18 | maybe because you are the admin right now | |
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| 11:18 | gaetan_B | maybe :) |
| 11:18 | kf | what's his account name? |
| 11:18 | i think i can activate it,b ut if you get no email, you should send a mail to bgkriegel really | |
| 11:18 | gaetan_B | harem, and harem89 (he tried twice) |
| 11:19 | kf | which one to keep? |
| 11:19 | gaetan_B | maybe he mistyped his email addresse |
| 11:19 | the first one | |
| 11:19 | wahanui | the first one is probably the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it |
| 11:19 | kf | waiting for pootle... |
| 11:20 | gaetan_B | :D |
| 11:20 | i know this feeling | |
| 11:21 | kf | should work now |
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| 11:39 | gaetan_B | kf: thanks :) he even has the required permissions ! |
| 11:39 | i told him about irc, so he'll show up there sometime too | |
| 11:40 | i'll send an email to Bernardo for this confirmation email that didn't come | |
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| 12:33 | magnuse | when i add a new column to a table, and all the columns in that table have backticks around the column names, should i remove the backticks? |
| 12:33 | ...in kohastructure.sql, that is | |
| 12:33 | jcamins | magnuse: I generally do. |
| 12:34 | magnuse | ok, that's good enough for me |
| 12:34 | jcamins | Though I maintain that any file in a folder called "mysql" can be expected to have backticks and MySQL syntax. |
| 12:34 | magnuse | maybe we should do one big patch to remove all of them from kohastructure.sql? |
| 12:34 | true | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | magnuse: the problem is that we use a lot of identifiers as field names. |
| 12:34 | Obviously I don't change backticks if there is any question about a field name. | |
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| 12:36 | magnuse | as in clashes with reserved words in mysql? |
| 12:36 | jcamins | Right. |
| 12:36 | I meant reserved words not identifiers. | |
| 12:37 | magnuse | hm, there are quite a lot of reserved words too: https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refm[…]served-words.html |
| 12:39 | jcamins | magnuse: yup. So actually I guess what I usually do is remove backticks only when there are no generic field names. |
| 12:40 | magnuse | yup, and there are none in the table i'm messing with |
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| 12:49 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:52 | eythian | afternoon |
| 12:57 | tcohen | lizzard |
| 12:57 | * jcamins | ducks under the desk, and hopes it's not a fire-breathing one. |
| 12:57 | magnuse | huh, where is the "sponsored by" thing we can add to comit messages documented? |
| 12:57 | jcamins | magnuse: I don't recall. |
| 12:58 | It's somewhere, though, I think. | |
| 12:58 | Commit messages? | |
| 12:58 | wahanui | Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages when writing commit messages. |
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| 12:58 | tcohen | it was an email |
| 12:58 | magnuse | thanks jcamins |
| 12:58 | i was looking in the coding guidelines... | |
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| 13:26 | magnuse | huh, why on earth isn't this patch triggering updatedatabase? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=19398 |
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| 13:27 | jcamins | magnuse: you have to run updatedatabase manually. |
| 13:28 | eythian | magnuse: presumably you're not changing kohaversion.pl |
| 13:29 | magnuse | ah, so the staff interface only looks at kohaversion.pl? |
| 13:30 | eythian | compares it to the version in the syspref, aiui |
| 13:30 | there's no other way to do it really, assuming you don't want to run updatedatabase.pl on every request (and you don't.) | |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 13:31 | magnuse | yeah, makes sense |
| 13:31 | it's just been too long since i did any proper hacking... | |
| 13:31 | thanks jcamins and eythian | |
| 13:31 | eythian | np |
| 13:34 | magnuse | Bug 10513 shoul dbe ready for signoff, then :-) |
| 13:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10513 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Light up a warning/message when returning a chosen item type. |
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| 15:15 | mjk | hello there fellow koha users |
| 15:15 | does anybody know anything about the live dvd release | |
| 15:24 | slef | mjk: only what's in the email |
| 15:25 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:25 | mjk | ah |
| 15:25 | i'm wondering if there's something wrong with the way it handles network stuff | |
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| 15:26 | mjk | i'm running a test server based on the livedvd and whenever it turns on, the rest of the network seems to start timing out on internet access |
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| 15:47 | mjk | also i'm starting barcoding. am i better off using koha barcode generator or am i better off preprinting and then using those numbers when I create new records |
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| 15:52 | eythian | mjk: Most of our libraries buy the pre-printed sheets. It's apparently a lot less hassle in general. |
| 15:53 | mjk | that's expensive... we'd be buying avery 5160 clone labels and generating them ourselves |
| 15:53 | eythian | that'd also work |
| 15:54 | mjk | my group is a SF club and while we have 10l-15k books and DVDs, we also have a tiny budget and a clubhouse that needs repairs badly |
| 15:55 | kf | mjk: you might want to check how expensive it really is |
| 15:56 | compared to buying the labels | |
| 15:56 | i know it's not very expensive around here | |
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| 15:58 | kf | eythian++ |
| 15:58 | mjk | well, the first place i saw online is $500 for 10000 |
| 15:58 | kf | oh wow |
| 15:59 | zhow much for the same amount of labels? | |
| 16:00 | mjk | about $80 |
| 16:00 | kf | ok, that's a big difference then |
| 16:01 | mjk | granted using mailing adress labels looks unprofessional, but we're not... |
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| 16:02 | mjk | we mainly just want a way to gee who checked stuff out without going through handwritten stuff scrawled in a binder that half our members forget to use anyway |
| 16:02 | *see | |
| 16:03 | kf | the problem with koha is that you can't preprint |
| 16:03 | so you have to catalog and then create batches and print your barcodes | |
| 16:03 | eythian | there's bound to be something out there that lets you preprint easily. |
| 16:03 | kf | yeh |
| 16:03 | maybe some external tool | |
| 16:03 | i think there was some discussion about that ages ago on the mailing list | |
| 16:04 | eythian | could probably write one in a few days |
| 16:04 | kf | :) |
| 16:04 | I think i have seen soemthing on twitter where someone create patron cards using html and jquery | |
| 16:04 | eythian | ah, near |
| 16:04 | *neat | |
| 16:05 | mjk | i think our club has a barcode generator somewhere. |
| 16:05 | kf | let me try to find it |
| 16:06 | mjk | it probably can't generate sequentials though |
| 16:07 | eythian | awesome :) |
| 16:09 | kf | about the barcodes |
| 16:10 | i think it was this: http://xmacex.wordpress.com/20[…]helmet-korteille/ | |
| 16:13 | mjk | if i read finnish that might be useful ;) |
| 16:14 | kf | google translate? :) |
| 16:14 | i think the liks could be helpful | |
| 16:14 | jquery-barcode | |
| 16:16 | https://github.com/xmacex/helm[…]braryCardBarcode/ | |
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| 17:50 | * magnuse | pokes his head in quickly, then runs away, laughing like a maniac |
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| 18:24 | drojf | is it just me or are there a lot of weird emails on the list today? |
| 18:27 | cait | not only you |
| 18:28 | multilingual koha? | |
| 18:28 | awesome idea :) | |
| 18:28 | druthb | :) |
| 18:29 | * druthb | will be presenting on that at KohaCon in October. |
| 18:30 | drojf | lol yeah that was surprising |
| 18:30 | cait | hm but we should remove the txt file |
| 18:30 | that the mail was referring too | |
| 18:31 | indeed I thought i had filed a bug for that | |
| 18:32 | drojf | i also don't understand why we would need koha phoning home to count installations |
| 18:32 | i like to believe there are millions and i don't need a more exact number | |
| 18:32 | cait | i htink a button would be nice |
| 18:32 | or maybe a form | |
| 18:33 | people are not so fond of the wiki it seems, but of course phoning home is not nice | |
| 18:34 | drojf | they should all register by sending a library card to rangi |
| 18:36 | cait | :) |
| 18:36 | excellent idea | |
| 18:45 | drojf | paul's first email on the list is from november 1… 2010. it is hard to believe this is not trolling |
| 18:47 | cait | a bit |
| 18:50 | drojf | we should send him a printed and bound copy of the manual to arrive at november 1 this year for the jubilee :) |
| 18:53 | magnuse | bug 6293 |
| 18:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6293 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Add a button to the intranet for registering with the Koha community |
| 18:53 | drojf | heh |
| 18:58 | hahaha i like "report to the mothership" | |
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| 19:03 | cait | hi magnuse :) |
| 19:04 | magnuse | hiya |
| 19:04 | * magnuse | is not really here |
| 19:04 | cait | oh ok |
| 19:04 | we will ignore you in that case | |
| 19:04 | magnuse | good |
| 19:05 | drojf | i'm glad that magnuse guy is not here |
| 19:05 | cait | yeah me too |
| 19:05 | such a bully | |
| 19:05 | drojf | yep |
| 19:06 | magnuse | dum di dum di dum di dum |
| 19:07 | druthb | and mean, too! |
| 19:07 | magnuse | la-la la-la la-la laa |
| 19:07 | druthb | Is he has mean to German girls as he is to American girls, cait? |
| 19:07 | cait | totally |
| 19:08 | druthb | :-O |
| 19:08 | cait | maybe even meaner... closer |
| 19:08 | druthb | oooh. Maybe it's a good thing he's *not* coming to KohaCon then; we'll be safer from his meanness! |
| 19:09 | :P | |
| 19:11 | cait | yeah... totally... *sniff* |
| 19:15 | druthb | It's a good thing he's not here to hear us talking about him, too! |
| 19:31 | rangi | drojf: thanks for the reminder |
| 19:37 | drojf | heh. morning rangi |
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| 19:37 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:38 | rangi | heya drojf and cait |
| 19:38 | druthb | Hi, rangi! :D |
| 19:38 | rangi | hiya druthb :) |
| 19:45 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 19:45 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:45 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:45 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.8°C (9:45 PM CEST on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:52 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 19:52 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 33.7°C (2:51 PM CDT on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:56 | drojf | oh, 4th of july. isn't that the NSA founding day or something? :P |
| 19:58 | so france got its own spying agency. what about us gemans? we need surveillance too | |
| 19:58 | rangi | canada is a horrible reminder of what could have happened without the declaration of independence!! |
| 19:58 | drojf | lol |
| 19:58 | rangi | drojf: hehe i think you guys had enough in your past :) |
| 19:59 | drojf | i bet we have a lot right now and they just pretend to be idiots |
| 19:59 | rangi | im sure |
| 19:59 | drojf | that merkel smells very fishy |
| 19:59 | rangi | the thing is |
| 20:00 | echelon and fiveeyes is all spying on you anyway | |
| 20:00 | drojf | true |
| 20:00 | rangi | and am sure the US govt shares at least some of the intel with the german govt |
| 20:00 | there is a big SIGINT base in the netherlands | |
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| 20:01 | rangi | listening in on most of europe |
| 20:01 | thats part of it | |
| 20:01 | drojf | yes. and the sad thing is, once this will be piublic, nothing is going to happen. some ranting, people on twitter going nuts for two days and thats it |
| 20:01 | rangi | yep |
| 20:01 | drojf | i mean, think of all the terrorism that got prevented ^^ |
| 20:01 | rangi | heh |
| 20:01 | thats the thing | |
| 20:02 | their trump card | |
| 20:02 | 'we cant tell you all the things we stopped cos its secret' | |
| 20:02 | i actually think surveillance isnt bad, per se, but not mass surveillance, and not without a lot more oversight | |
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| 20:03 | wizzyrea | I am not sure there's enough oversight capacity to oversee something they are determined has to be secret |
| 20:03 | rangi | yep |
| 20:04 | drojf | we get drilled with the "unattended bag"-thing for quite some time now. it is very important to know that 1) there is a permanent threat 2) nothing bad is going to happen as long as police/secret service/whatever gets just a little more power again. and again |
| 20:04 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | thing is, you can't prevent bad things from happening |
| 20:05 | you can't prevent a meteor from falling out of the sky and crushing you | |
| 20:05 | drojf | OMG NOOOOOO |
| 20:07 | funny thing is, we are told how evil east germany has been with all the spying. but compared to what is possible today that is nothing but a joke. but of course "we" are the good ones so it's alright | |
| 20:08 | rangi | hehe yeah |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | i wish I could express just how demoralised the whole thing makes me feel about modern life. |
| 20:09 | ibeardslee | yeap |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | and failure to learn the lessons of history. |
| 20:09 | drojf | yeah :/ |
| 20:09 | ibeardslee | take us back to the days when people had to kill the horse rider and break the wax seal on your letter to read your mail |
| 20:09 | .. assuming they could read in the first place | |
| 20:10 | drojf | heh |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | you can't fix crazy, sometimes you can't even detect crazy. No amount of surveillance is going to fix that. |
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| 20:13 | drojf | i doubt that is the goal. i think there are people that would not mind somebody going nuts just so they can ask for more surveillance. |
| 20:13 | saves them some effort to do it themselves… | |
| 20:14 | * wizzyrea | considers people who do "acts of terror" to be some variant of crazy. |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | and yes, that's a simplistic view - if you'd like I could go into all of the ways and caveats that I keep in my mind about the subject, but it would be boring for you |
| 20:15 | ibeardslee | I used to say that if George Bush had ordered the boming of the world's worst terrorist, would he be considered a suicide bomber? |
| 20:15 | * wizzyrea | thinks he falls under the heading "crazy |
| 20:15 | ibeardslee | throw an extra 'b' in there if you want |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | ordering drone strikes? also crazy. |
| 20:20 | drojf | the only real terrorism we had in germany lately were neonazis killing immigrants. and there are a lot of links to the german secret service and police being involved and a lot of files vanished or got "accidentally" shredded. |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | see also: crazy. |
| 20:21 | I'm sure they had "rational" reasons for thinking what they did. I'm sure that they were doing good work in their own opinion. | |
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| 20:26 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 20:26 | Has anyone here played with encryption libraries? | |
| 20:27 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 20:27 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf. |
| 20:27 | drojf | what kind of encryption of what data? |
| 20:27 | mtompset | public/private key encryption. |
| 20:28 | the data would be user attributes. | |
| 20:28 | drojf | i started to work on email encryption in koha some time ago http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8897 |
| 20:28 | huginn | 04Bug 8897: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Optional GnuPG encryption of outgoing emails |
| 20:28 | mtompset | I've tinkered with Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA... and got private_encrypt, public_decrypt working, but I can't get the other direction working. public_encrypt and private_decrypt. |
| 20:30 | drojf | i use Crypt::GPG apparently |
| 20:30 | (have not worked on it in a while) | |
| 20:32 | mtompset | Because there needs to be a way in my SAML patch for the external authentication source to tell Koha, "Yes, I confirm so and so is authenticated, and I am who I say I am." |
| 20:32 | I've got the rsa signed part working. | |
| 20:32 | but the data of the user attributes needs to be encrypted in a way that only Koha should be able to decrypt. | |
| 20:33 | hence the public_encrypt, and the private decrypt. | |
| 20:33 | but that direction of the library for Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA seems busted. | |
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| 20:37 | drojf | isn't that just encrypt and decrypt? |
| 20:38 | looking at the cpan page it looks to me like that at least | |
| 20:39 | mtompset | There is encrypt, decrypt, private_decrypt, and public_decrypt. |
| 20:40 | decrypt on a private key doesn't work. | |
| 20:40 | drojf | ah i see |
| 20:41 | mtompset | So though the authentication point can public encrypt with koha's public key, koha can't decrypt it with its own private key. A busted library. :( |
| 20:42 | I wouldn't be having this problem if Koha was in PHP. ;) | |
| 20:42 | drojf | ugh :D |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | you'd be having other problems. |
| 20:42 | mtompset | because the PHP libraries work. ;) |
| 20:42 | drojf | you would have… what wizzyrea says |
| 20:42 | mtompset | wizzyrea: I totally agree. |
| 20:43 | I really hate shell calls, but perhaps I could do that. | |
| 20:43 | After all, the public and private keys are generated with openssl. | |
| 20:46 | drojf | i think Crypt::GPG does the things you need if i understand you correctly. it requires a running instance of gpg on the server though which is not too great. |
| 20:46 | mtompset | Perhaps, but can PHP do GPG too? |
| 20:47 | I need PHP to encrypt and Perl to decrypt. | |
| 20:47 | * mtompset | will be away from keyboard for a bit. |
| 20:47 | drojf | no idea, but i guess there is something for php too |
| 20:48 | mtompset: http://php.net/manual/en/book.gnupg.php | |
| 20:50 | * drojf | tries to go to ed |
| 20:50 | drojf | lol |
| 20:50 | bed | |
| 20:50 | good night #koha | |
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| 23:51 | dcook | rangi: Sweet wall of library cards ;) |
| 23:57 | jcamins | mtompset: I would be very surprised if there were no working RSA encryption/decryption for Perl. Did you look at other libraries? |
| 23:57 | (that's actually all the advice I had on the subject, but I wanted to point out it is probable that there is a way to do what you need already) |
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