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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | mtompset | It works for three of the four operations, jcamins. Though, having started to look at GPG, I'm thinking it may be a nicer solution. The some of the RSA perl libraries are only CPAN'able in Ubuntu. |
| 00:02 | jcamins | mtompset: right, but am sure it is possible to do all four operations under Perl. I don't know how, but that in no way lessens my certainty that someone has made it work. |
| 00:02 | mtompset | Not using Crypt::OpenSSL::RSA |
| 00:02 | I haven't tried Crypt::RSA yet, and that was a PAIN to get installed. | |
| 00:03 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:04 | wizzyrea | there wasn't a package? |
| 00:04 | * wizzyrea | admits to not yet checking |
| 00:05 | mtompset | wizzyrea: package for what? Just making sure I didn't lose context accidentally. |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | libcrypt-openssl-rsa-per - the debian package |
| 00:06 | perl* | |
| 00:06 | mtompset | There isn't for Ubuntu... I cpan2deb'd it. |
| 00:06 | Yet another reason I don't like that solution. | |
| 00:07 | If it isn't in the default repos, then it is most likely going to be a pain licensing-wise. | |
| 00:08 | jcamins | Crypt::RSA is licensed under the same license as Perl itself. |
| 00:08 | mtompset | But it's a pain to package! |
| 00:08 | It has a lot of dependencies. | |
| 00:08 | jcamins | I don't care how you do it. |
| 00:08 | I'm just saying that I think there is probably another way to do RSA if that's the best solution. | |
| 00:10 | mtompset | the two endpoints generating public/private pairs, and swapping public keys is a reasonably sound way to confirm the message is from who they say they are and is not forged. |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | weird, libcrypt-openssl-rsa-perl was in lucid |
| 00:12 | and precise | |
| 00:13 | mtompset | older version. |
| 00:13 | I think that is why I cpan2deb'd it. | |
| 00:14 | dcook | Ahhh...finally understand the "7 item(s) left 2 order(s) left" thing in Acquisitions... |
| 00:14 | It's the number of items/orders you'd have to delete before you could delete that biblio... | |
| 00:14 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 00:14 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #166: "jcamins: this is IRC. There's a several decade long tradition of lurking." (added by wizzyrea at 03:06 PM, November 17, 2011) |
| 00:14 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 00:14 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #101: "<darling> I still need to catch up with current Koha. Is pretty dreamy already." (added by gmcharlt at 02:44 AM, October 29, 2010) |
| 00:15 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 00:15 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #221: "I used to be sane like you, until I took a MARC data to the knee" (added by chrisc at 09:28 PM, October 23, 2012) |
| 00:15 | wizzyrea | hehehehehe |
| 00:15 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:18 | Turns out it's also useful to run Koha using the same version of database and source code...who'd a thunk it... | |
| 00:19 | * mtompset | grins, "Been there, done that." |
| 00:23 | dcook | IE-- |
| 00:24 | jcamins | wizzyrea++ |
| 00:24 | IE-- | |
| 00:24 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 00:25 | dcook | PeopleThatRefuseToUpgradeIE-- |
| 00:25 | wizzyrea | oh man, that's a truth. |
| 00:29 | rangi | https://soundcloud.com/rocknro[…]-is-it-because-im |
| 00:32 | dcook | "The indexOf() method is not supported in Internet Explorer 8 and earlier." |
| 00:32 | Rarrrr | |
| 00:33 | jcamins | dcook: you can polyfill it, if you must. |
| 00:34 | dcook: the first example I found on Google: https://gist.github.com/atk/1034425 | |
| 00:35 | dcook: a better example: https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]cts/Array/indexOf | |
| 00:36 | dcook | Intriguing... |
| 00:37 | jcamins | dcook: don't take that as encouragement to go out and use IE8, please. |
| 00:37 | dcook | I would never think of such a thing ;) |
| 00:38 | jcamins | Good. |
| 00:38 | dcook | Alas, the stranglehold of IE pervades client workstations |
| 00:38 | And when the ajax busts in acquisitions as a result, it's an issue | |
| 00:38 | Personally, I rather they switch to Chrome or Firefox than continue to use IE, but...having worked in government and corporate environments, I know that's not always an option :/ | |
| 00:39 | mtompset | IE is a core part of the OS. If you are using Windows, you should be updating your IE, even if you aren't using it as your default browser. There is the exception that you should probably not upgrade more than once in a given windows OS. |
| 00:40 | dcook | Exception? |
| 00:40 | mtompset | ie 6 worked in win95, but it was better to stick with 5.5 :) |
| 00:41 | dcook | Ideally, we should always keep our systems up-to-date, but users aren't system or network administrators |
| 00:41 | mtompset | i believe you could get ie8 working in 98, but it was best to stick back at 7. |
| 00:41 | jcamins | That leaves business workstations running IE8. |
| 00:41 | mtompset | only if they are running xp. |
| 00:41 | dcook | Which I'm sure lots are |
| 00:41 | We have quite a few folks on IE8. Some even on IE7. | |
| 00:42 | jcamins | There are businesses on Windows that are *not* using XP? |
| 00:42 | Huh. You learn something new every day. | |
| 00:42 | mtompset | I've seen windows 7 in use. |
| 00:42 | wizzyrea | at this point I'd be more surprised to *see* xp in business than not see it |
| 00:42 | mtompset | I would have thought with a release of windows 8 being announced, businesses would have lept 2 OSes to 7. |
| 00:43 | wizzyrea | people skipped vista |
| 00:43 | not win7 | |
| 00:43 | jcamins | wizzyrea: alas, the last three corporate environments I've interacted with recently have been XP. |
| 00:44 | mtompset | They should jump to 7, before they are forced to jump to 8, which everyone hates. |
| 00:44 | jcamins | And I have wept. |
| 00:44 | wizzyrea | oh well corporate is always lagging, but I would have expected even they would be moving to 7 |
| 00:44 | that actually surprises me | |
| 00:44 | mtompset | Not quite as short as "Jesus wept", jcamins. ;) |
| 00:45 | jcamins | mtompset: true, but much more poignant. |
| 00:45 | :P | |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | we strongly recommended to libraries that they skip vista |
| 00:45 | * mtompset | laughs, "Perhaps." |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | but many went to win7 |
| 00:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I actually don't know what OSes normal libraries are using these days... I simply haven't noticed. |
| 00:46 | * wizzyrea | was grateful that they skipped vista |
| 00:46 | mtompset | vista was useable after service pack 1. |
| 00:47 | wizzyrea | hm, thinking about it I think the WCL uses XP |
| 00:47 | jcamins | World Combat League? |
| 00:47 | wizzyrea | wellington city librar(ies) |
| 00:47 | mtompset | No no, jcamins. World Class Librarians. ;) |
| 00:55 | * dcook | can't think of anything witty to say. |
| 00:55 | dcook | I seem to remember a lot of XP back in Canada though |
| 00:58 | Right! Polyfill! | |
| 00:58 | I'm thinking that's probably the easiest solution...(seeing that I can't mandate the non-use of IE...alas) | |
| 01:02 | mtompset | Hey, if someone put it as part of the requirements (http://koha-community.org/download-koha/) [ A browser -- preferably not Internet Explorer ] ;) |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | no I don't think we want to do that |
| 01:03 | the opac is mostly fine in IE | |
| 01:03 | in fact it's all fine, afaict | |
| 01:03 | dcook | The opac? |
| 01:03 | wahanui | the opac is for patrons |
| 01:03 | * dcook | ponders |
| 01:03 | dcook | Possibly |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | the staff client works best with a browser that is not IE |
| 01:03 | dcook | Actually, I think there's a little issue |
| 01:04 | Maybe a couple issues with older IE | |
| 01:04 | One where re-directs can act funny and another where the search result page gets cut off at the bottom | |
| 01:04 | IE did not like me trying to use that code from Mozilla... | |
| 01:04 | mtompset | Many sites tend to specify latest version of browsers. |
| 01:05 | dcook | Maybe I'll try incorporating it in a different way |
| 01:05 | jcamins | dcook: oh? What error did you get? |
| 01:05 | dcook | mtompset: I'm pretty sure those sites are looked down upon from usability experts |
| 01:05 | mtompset | But, I was just joking. |
| 01:05 | Probably. | |
| 01:05 | dcook | jcamins: It just froze the page :/ |
| 01:05 | Well, froze when I hit "add" | |
| 01:06 | jcamins | dcook: that's not good. |
| 01:07 | dcook | But...I just stuck it in the intranetuserjs for testing...although I'm not sure why that would make a difference |
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| 01:11 | jcamins | dcook: it should work there, provided it's declared before you use it, and is not in document.ready. |
| 01:12 | dcook | It's definitely not in document.ready and I would think if there were an issue about it not being declared, I'd be getting an error rather than it freezing :/ |
| 01:13 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 01:13 | Yeah, probably. | |
| 01:36 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 01:40 | dcook | Hmm, I think that Prototype code from Mozilla might not work with certain kinds of for loops... |
| 01:40 | Decided to say "screw it" and switched to using $.inArray instead | |
| 01:40 | I think I ran into this same issue ages ago when I was writing something of my own | |
| 01:41 | Cross-browser and dates back to jQuery 1.2.x, so all should be well... | |
| 01:46 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 01:48 | dcook | Huzzah, much better now :) |
| 02:31 | bug 10541: If anyone wants a super easy sign off | |
| 02:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js |
| 02:31 | dcook | It's only 2 lines of code ;) |
| 02:32 | Perhaps it's not really that major...but it's pretty important for anyone using acquisitions and IE... | |
| 03:12 | * dcook | trots off to eat |
| 04:06 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 04:13 | dcook | @quote random |
| 04:13 | huginn | dcook: Quote #225: "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." (added by wizzyrea at 09:44 PM, December 19, 2012) |
| 04:13 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 04:14 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:14 | koha community? | |
| 04:14 | wahanui | i guess koha community is an amazing thing |
| 04:14 | dcook | The koha community? |
| 04:14 | wahanui | the koha community is, like, an amazing thing |
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| 04:24 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:25 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:25 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 04:25 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:31 | bshum joined #koha | |
| 04:34 | druthb | o/ |
| 04:35 | dcook | \o |
| 04:35 | hey druthb :) | |
| 04:37 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 04:37 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 24.1°C (11:37 PM CDT on July 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:37 | druthb | Much cooler than earlier. we had a bit of a rainshower right as the sun set. |
| 04:38 | dcook | Sounds nice |
| 04:38 | @wunder sydney, australia | |
| 04:38 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 21.6°C (2:35 PM EST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:38 | druthb | (which probably cranked off the people wanting to blast fireworks, but that's their problem, not mine.) |
| 04:41 | * dcook | thinks one day he might figure out how Koha circ rules work... |
| 04:41 | dcook | And how they're stored in the db... |
| 04:44 | druthb | Dark Arts. |
| 04:46 | dcook | branch_borrower_circ_rules |
| 04:46 | branch_item_rules | |
| 04:46 | default_borrower_circ_rules | |
| 04:46 | default_branch_circ_rules | |
| 04:46 | default_branch_item_rules | |
| 04:46 | default_circ_rules | |
| 04:46 | issuingrules | |
| 04:46 | And those are just the ones that "look" like circ rules off the top of my head | |
| 04:46 | druthb | Dark arts, as done by a schizophrenic. |
| 04:47 | dcook | I suppose a person could git blame koha_structure.sql...:p |
| 04:47 | druthb | Why, so you can send them to Azkaban? |
| 04:48 | dcook | Nah, I'm far less forgiving. I was thinking a liberal dose of Crucio. |
| 04:48 | druthb | eep! |
| 04:48 | dcook is mean! | |
| 04:48 | hm. | |
| 04:48 | wahanui: dcook? | |
| 04:48 | wahanui | dcook is currently out of line. |
| 04:49 | druthb | yes, well. |
| 04:49 | dcook | lol |
| 04:49 | I swear that had context at the time | |
| 04:49 | druthb | Sounds like it still does. |
| 04:50 | dcook | Hmm, perhaps :p. |
| 04:53 | Hmm, I think I recall how these work now | |
| 04:54 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:54 | dcook | hey cait :) |
| 04:54 | cait | hi dcook :) |
| 04:55 | druthb | Hi cait! :D |
| 05:28 | Oak | Good morning Katrin Fischer. |
| 05:29 | cait | um hi Oak |
| 05:30 | Oak | :) |
| 05:31 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 05:32 | cait | hi paul_p |
| 05:37 | dcook | salut paul_p |
| 05:37 | You're on early today! | |
| 05:48 | wizzyrea | the rules do some weird things. |
| 05:50 | cait | hm? |
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| 05:50 | wizzyrea | they just do. |
| 05:50 | sophie_m left #koha | |
| 05:50 | wizzyrea | they work in unexpected ways sometimes |
| 05:50 | cait | speaking in riddles she is... :) |
| 05:50 | wizzyrea | dunno, dcook was muttering about them a while ago |
| 05:52 | dcook | You know me. I mutter a lot. |
| 05:52 | * dcook | mutters a bit more and goes back to what he was doing |
| 05:53 | wizzyrea | it's not entirely unprecedented when discussing and/or dealing with the circ rules |
| 05:53 | @quote get 123 | |
| 05:53 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 05:53 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 05:53 | wizzyrea | because 123, of course |
| 05:53 | dcook | Hmm, that could explain it... |
| 05:54 | cait | 123 explains everything |
| 05:54 | :) | |
| 05:55 | dcook | It does explain the easiness of ABC, apparently |
| 06:05 | Bustin' bugs and...____ enhancements | |
| 06:05 | evoking? | |
| 06:05 | Not erasing.. | |
| 06:05 | Nor escaping | |
| 06:05 | employing? | |
| 06:05 | extolling? | |
| 06:06 | Hopefully not eroding.. | |
| 06:07 | cait | huh? |
| 06:08 | wizzyrea | elevating? |
| 06:08 | eviscerating | |
| 06:10 | dcook | Oohhh, I like eviscerating although it's not all that relevant here |
| 06:10 | Did you know that the French have a word for slitting throats? | |
| 06:10 | Egorger | |
| 06:10 | http://www.wordreference.com/fren/%C3%A9gorger | |
| 06:11 | I first learned about it when we were studying the national anthem | |
| 06:11 | La Marseillaise | |
| 06:11 | * cait | ponders if she is still sleeping because #koha doesn't seem to make any sense today |
| 06:11 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:11 | Sorry, cait | |
| 06:11 | wizzyrea | you are dreaming |
| 06:11 | that sound you hear, that's your alarm clock. | |
| 06:12 | BZZT | |
| 06:12 | cait | waah! i am running late! |
| 06:12 | * cait | runs out |
| 06:15 | dcook | Encouraging! |
| 06:17 | cait | dcook++ |
| 06:18 | that acq items problem - i had that happen in training | |
| 06:19 | dcook | I know I worked on that this morning, but now I'm struggling to remember what it was... |
| 06:19 | cait | internet explorer does not allow you to order multiple items |
| 06:20 | dcook | Right! Old IE not having indexOf |
| 06:20 | Yeah, nasty one there | |
| 06:20 | cait | receiving on order? |
| 06:20 | dcook | That's actually the one I could remember. There was another acquisitions related thing I did.. |
| 06:20 | cait | :) i think you meant create items on order there, but that looks stil like my problem |
| 06:21 | dcook | Hmm, I think I meant create items when receiving |
| 06:21 | when receiving an order | |
| 06:21 | Yep, that's what the syspref says | |
| 06:21 | cait | right :) |
| 06:21 | dcook | But yeah, placing an order...shoudl be the same issue |
| 06:21 | cait | should be the same form tho... maybe fixes both |
| 06:22 | :) | |
| 06:22 | dcook | :) |
| 06:22 | It took longer than it should've as I tried to be too smart | |
| 06:22 | Two line fix in the end | |
| 06:23 | Ah, that's the only thing I fixed... | |
| 06:23 | I downloaded patches for the other issue I had | |
| 06:27 | Is there a rule against family members signing off each other's patches? | |
| 06:27 | I don't have any family members who develop Koha, but I'm thinking clones... | |
| 06:28 | cait | lol |
| 06:28 | once you got a clone, we can talk | |
| 06:28 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:28 | cait | and i will want one too |
| 06:28 | dcook | Cloning is tough though. They need to have the same physical and mental abilities of me now...but they need to gain them instanteously |
| 06:28 | Or maybe over a weekend | |
| 06:28 | cait | yeah |
| 06:29 | one could do qa all day long! | |
| 06:29 | dcook | I think we've talked about this before now that I think about it... |
| 06:29 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film) | |
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| 06:40 | cait | hi viktorsarge_ :) |
| 06:41 | viktorsarge_ | Hi cait ! |
| 06:42 | * druthb | should probably go to bed. |
| 06:42 | wonders why cait hasn't said anything yet. | |
| 06:44 | * Viktor | still gets surprised sometimes that people go to bed when the sun is just up over here :) |
| 06:46 | druthb | 'tis the wee hours here. I've gotta get out of bed and go to work in four and change. |
| 06:46 | dcook | Indeed, it's a beautiful day still |
| 06:46 | druthb | be well, all. |
| 06:48 | cait | go to bed druthb_away :) |
| 06:48 | bye all | |
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| 06:49 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:52 | Viktor | Hi reiveune |
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| 07:09 | dcook | RDA-- |
| 07:09 | 260 vs 264 | |
| 07:09 | Really? Really? | |
| 07:10 | @quote 123 | |
| 07:10 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 07:10 | huginn | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 07:10 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 07:10 | huginn | dcook: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
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| 07:11 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:15 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:21 | * Viktor | waves back att magnuse and christophe_c |
| 07:22 | magnuse | heja Viktor |
| 07:23 | Viktor | heia magnuse |
| 07:25 | christophe_c | HI Viktor ;-) |
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| 07:53 | dcook | Night #koha |
| 07:53 | Salut paul_p | |
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| 07:54 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:55 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:55 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 PM NZST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:55 | wizzyrea | missing info there: the wind is... wellingtonish. |
| 07:57 | drojf | i didn't know the multilanguage staff client is such a secret :) |
| 07:57 | wizzyrea | it's not - when I said there isn't a switcher I didn't mean "you can't change it" |
| 07:57 | I meant there isn't a fancy switcher like the opac has :P | |
| 07:58 | but that wouldn't have been clear to anyone but me | |
| 07:59 | I thought there *was* a fancy switcher but then I couldn't find where to turn it on | |
| 07:59 | for the intranet | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | there is a language chooser for the intranet |
| 07:59 | it reveals itself if you have more than one language enabled for th intranet | |
| 08:00 | wizzyrea | ok well that is inconsistent design the :P |
| 08:00 | magnuse | you can't turn it off and on, the way you can in the opac |
| 08:00 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 08:00 | I'm not sure I like that :/ | |
| 08:00 | drojf | patches welcome :P |
| 08:01 | * wizzyrea | doesn't have anyone to pay for that |
| 08:01 | wizzyrea | plus, no one pays for things like "make the interface consistent" |
| 08:01 | drojf | true :( |
| 08:02 | wizzyrea | that stuff happens by magic you know |
| 08:03 | @quote get 123 | |
| 08:03 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 08:03 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 08:04 | magnuse | i have not seen it as a problem, why would you want more than one language but not the possibility to choose between them? |
| 08:04 | wizzyrea | why would you want it in the OPAC? |
| 08:04 | i don't really mind either way, I just think it should work the same in both :) | |
| 08:07 | drojf | actually i think it is pretty cool that it is possible at all. the inconsistency is not nice, but being able to offer koha in a multitude of languages is very cool. as somebody who worked on a translation i might add it is a lot of work, it's cool we got so many languages available |
| 08:08 | wizzyrea | yep that is totally cool |
| 08:09 | drojf | i used cool three times in one paragraph. i'm a cool guy |
| 08:10 | * drojf | needs caffeine |
| 08:19 | drojf | wow, our "journalists" suck. the conservative party replaced the german word for "data retention" in their manifesto with a newspeek word they have been trying to introduce for a while because "data retention" got very negative connotation. the headline is "they deleted data retention from their manifesto" as if it wasn't part of it anymore. |
| 08:23 | wizzyrea | data retention meaning "we can mine this for data to see if you are a terrist" |
| 08:23 | ? | |
| 08:27 | drojf | data retention as in "we keep all your communication metadata for x months" where x varies from country to country. it's an EU thing that has to be put into local laws in all EU countries. they want to have 6 months in germany |
| 08:28 | but yes, because we all are terrorists | |
| 08:28 | or, could be. who knows? better check, right? | |
| 08:29 | ha, some of them have been trying to establish the new word for 2 years now, because the old one got a big brother award :D | |
| 08:29 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
| 08:29 | drojf | they needed two years to replace the word in the manifesto. that's conservatism :D |
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| 08:31 | * wizzyrea | is feeling the "chilling effect" that the knowledge of broad surveillance is conveying. |
| 08:31 | drojf | it's interestig to see how they change from "OMG the evil usa are spying on us" to "our spying good, their spying bad" as they want to do exactly the same |
| 08:32 | wizzyrea | it's more or less the same in NZ |
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| 08:33 | drojf | i think it's stasi feeling. better don't say things. better don't go out. better keep to yourself. |
| 08:34 | * wizzyrea | isn't saying anything. |
| 08:35 | drojf | but, you know, i bet there are a lot less terrorist emails and tweets these days. and no facebook terrorist attacks. |
| 08:40 | * wizzyrea | isn't saying anything |
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| 08:40 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:41 | drojf | hi kf |
| 08:41 | kf | hi drojf :) |
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| 08:41 | kf | where is the rest of the gang? |
| 08:43 | eythian | hi |
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| 08:44 | kf | hi eythian |
| 08:45 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 08:46 | eythian: i guess i never really thought about the "run javascript on the server" thing for the encryption patch, i see the problem now | |
| 08:46 | eythian | drojf: yeah, it doesn't really make sense :) |
| 08:46 | drojf | nope |
| 08:46 | :) | |
| 08:47 | would have been nice to get rid of the gnupg package dependency | |
| 08:48 | eythian | I think it's installed on Debian machines by default. |
| 08:48 | I'd say detect it, and have the function disabled if it's not installed. | |
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| 08:50 | drojf | but i think you have to set it up somehow, even if the package is there and you don't need a key for the server. i'll have to check. if it's required, maybe it can be done via the perl package too. or it just works. in that case it would not really be a problem, even if the library does not care about it at all |
| 08:52 | eythian | It doesn't really need setup for just encrypting things. The most that might have to happen is that Koha maintains a keyring file that it points gpg to, but I'm not sure about that. |
| 08:55 | drojf | i will try to find a weekend to work on it somewhen before 3.14. if we had it in the next version people might actually be interested in it due to PRISM |
| 08:57 | eythian | Unfortunately there's no good option for mail encryption, gpg is the best but it's not good from a usability point of view. |
| 08:58 | drojf | true. i set it up for my mom on her first computer ever and it just works from within thunderbird. but i could not get friends to set it up themselves because they consider it too complicated |
| 08:59 | is 3.14 planned for october or november btw? i can't find a roasmap on the wiki | |
| 08:59 | roadmap | |
| 09:00 | eythian | Late October is traditional, I think. |
| 09:03 | There's an interesting thread on NZ-Libs titled "Prism, the GCSB and libraries." Unfortunately it's mostly talking about it, not dealing with anything concrete about what could be done. | |
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| 09:11 | drojf | archive for members only ./ |
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| 09:11 | magnuse | the traditional date is 22nd november, i believe? |
| 09:12 | eythian | yeah, it's a closed list |
| 09:12 | ah, november it might be. | |
| 09:12 | magnuse | 6 months after 22nd may |
| 09:12 | or before :-) | |
| 09:12 | drojf | magnuse: i think it was only in 3.10 because paul kept pushing stuff |
| 09:12 | eythian | I think I was mixing up with the ubuntu releases :) |
| 09:13 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 09:13 | 3.6.0 was 22nd october | |
| 09:13 | slef | eythian: put an article on your blog about gpg's usability problems? |
| 09:13 | eythian | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ndy-weekend-ahead <-- just look what I'm missing out on |
| 09:14 | slef | eythian: are you covered by our 30 degC forecast? |
| 09:14 | @wunder EGCL | |
| 09:14 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 18.5°C (10:01 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:14 | eythian | slef: it's not gpg's usability problems per se, it's the need for people who aren't used to that sort of thing understanding how web of trust and such works. |
| 09:14 | slef | "Gedney Hill" still cracks me up. |
| 09:14 | eythian | @wunder brighton |
| 09:14 | huginn | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:14 | eythian | @wunder brighton, united kingdom |
| 09:14 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 18.4°C (9:45 AM BST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:15 | eythian | slef: I think it is supposed to get pretty warm, perhaps not 30 though. |
| 09:15 | slef | eythian: no, coast breeze will keep you colder |
| 09:16 | eythian | yeah, that'll be a good thing :) |
| 09:16 | slef | eythian: usual problem of south coast in warm weather. On a north-facing coast like here, it's hotter in summer, colder in winter. |
| 09:17 | eythian | yeah, I can see that. |
| 09:17 | slef | Gedney Hill, altitude < 5m... can't see it more precise :-/ |
| 09:17 | basically I'm higher than it at 6m, and this is not high ground | |
| 09:18 | eythian | heh. So Gedney Small Mound is perhaps more accurate. |
| 09:19 | slef | if that... it's one of the old marsh islands from before Holland was drained... Gedney Slight Bump |
| 09:22 | heh, elevation 1m | |
| 09:22 | now back to work ;) | |
| 09:23 | eythian | yeah, I should do the same I guess. |
| 09:23 | slef | drojf: I've seen that. I don't get why DDG requires javascript to read its forums. What are they up to? ;) |
| 09:23 | drojf | they do? |
| 09:24 | slef | drojf: blank page if noscript is active IIRC |
| 09:24 | drojf: don't you secure your browser? ;-) | |
| 09:24 | drojf | you are right. ugh |
| 09:25 | ask them about it, they might change it ;) | |
| 09:26 | they have an extra html version of the search enigne, it's not like they don't care | |
| 09:26 | s/enigne/engine | |
| 09:38 | slef: "We are currently working on a new version of the forum, which will not be powered by any third-party. You can check out the test version of it here https://dukgo.com/forum/index" -- it does not look like that worked out well (was posted 7 months ago) | |
| 09:39 | * wizzyrea | thinks that missing 30C days is worth a couple of wet and windy days |
| 09:40 | wizzyrea | hm, northwesterly will blow straight into our hill eythian... I'll let you know if your roof stays attached |
| 09:44 | eythian | I hope that it does. |
| 09:44 | It'd be very annoying if it didn't. | |
| 09:45 | wizzyrea | I don't think they're predicting winds *that* extreme |
| 09:46 | not like the other weekend. | |
| 09:54 | slef | drojf: I can't ask. Visually-impaired users are not allowed to register on that forum and I don't trust them with my facebook profile. |
| 09:55 | drojf | lol. you have a facebook profile and complain about anything ddg does? |
| 09:56 | does fb work nicely without javascript? ;) | |
| 09:56 | slef | drojf: yes |
| 09:56 | wizzyrea | get the popcorn |
| 09:56 | wahanui | Not hungry. |
| 09:57 | slef | drojf: my fb profile is nothing sensitive but I still don't want random web forums posting to it. |
| 09:58 | drojf | just send them an email |
| 10:15 | * wizzyrea | is highly amused by the additions to wahanui's responses to get the popcorn |
| 10:15 | wizzyrea | whoever did that, thanks, that made me laugh a lot. |
| 10:15 | ^.^ | |
| 10:25 | * magnuse | wanders off to a wedding |
| 10:25 | wizzyrea | have fun :) |
| 10:27 | eythian | don't get married by accident. |
| 10:28 | kf | eythian: he already is... so that warning might be a bit late |
| 10:30 | eythian | so clearly he's got a lowered resistance for that sort of thing, the warning is even more important! |
| 10:30 | kf | lol |
| 10:32 | liw | in a few hours, I'll be starting a week's holiday to go to a wedding too! it seems it's popular at this time of the year |
| 10:33 | eythian | A week long wedding is quite substantial :) |
| 10:34 | * kf | hopes the food is good |
| 10:34 | liw | eythian, yeah, but when it's my only one, I'd better do it well |
| 10:40 | wizzyrea | There's a band called 1023MB. They haven't had any gigs yet. |
| 10:42 | drojf | lol |
| 10:42 | liw: how can you know it's your only one? :P | |
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| 10:47 | liw | drojf, true love! it would be inconceivable to want to marry again! |
| 10:47 | drojf | aaaw :) |
| 10:48 | liw | (no comment on not wanting to go through the pain of arranging a wedding again) |
| 10:48 | drojf | heh |
| 10:48 | kf | liw: who is getting wed? |
| 10:48 | wedded? | |
| 10:48 | no idea how you ask that | |
| 10:49 | drojf | getting married? :P |
| 10:49 | kf | drojf: pff :P |
| 10:50 | liw | kf, I am |
| 10:50 | kf | aha! |
| 10:50 | congratulations then :) | |
| 10:50 | wizzyrea | AH! |
| 10:50 | yes congratulations :) | |
| 10:50 | liw | thank you, thank you |
| 10:51 | kf | hope you have a wonderful wedding :) |
| 10:53 | drojf | a friend is going to a wedding too this weekend. maybe it really is that time of the year |
| 10:53 | or you are all going to the same wedding ;) | |
| 10:54 | liw | :) |
| 11:16 | wizzyrea | june/july is a popular time for weddings, traditionally, because people have just graduated from college, the weather is nice (in the northern hemisphere), and it's summer vacation time |
| 11:17 | plus if you *happen* to find out you're having a baby, winter is a more pleasant time to be pregnant than summer because all you want to do is sit on your bum and drink cocoa and be still anyway. | |
| 11:17 | not that any of you wanted or needed to know that. | |
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| 11:34 | slef | wizzyrea: greater risk of falling on ice, though. |
| 11:34 | wizzyrea | see: sit on bum and drink hot cocoa. :) |
| 11:34 | no slipping on ice when on bum with cocoa. | |
| 11:34 | slef | wizzyrea: life goes on, including medical visits. |
| 11:35 | wizzyrea | indeed. |
| 11:35 | slef | wizzyrea: I suspect the ice risk and the reduction in alternative entertainments is why I see so many Summer and Autumn births in the UK... but I don't know what the winters are like where you're from. |
| 11:36 | wizzyrea | I think with spud I had 3x snowfalls during that winter, including one the day he was born :) |
| 11:36 | hehe probably more to do with the lack of alternative entertainments. | |
| 11:37 | I read something interesting about the birth rate in the UK | |
| 11:37 | slef | well, we've had 3 or 4 hard winters now and there seem to be more and more Summer-Autumn children |
| 11:37 | wizzyrea | that it has dramatically increased in recent years |
| 11:38 | I can't imagine being pregnant through a summer like the one Kansas had last year | |
| 11:38 | 43C? No thanks. | |
| 11:38 | slef | always happens under right-wing governments, doesn't it? People seek refuge in family rather than trusting society to look after lone oldies. |
| 11:38 | wizzyrea | hm is that it? |
| 11:38 | the article I read postulated that it had more to do with the children of migrants | |
| 11:38 | drojf | so maggie thatcher made your babies? |
| 11:38 | slef | to be fair, I don't know, but it's a fun theory |
| 11:39 | wizzyrea: oh please tell me you weren't reading the daily fail. | |
| 11:39 | wizzyrea | oh I don't think so no |
| 11:39 | actually I don't remember what it was from | |
| 11:40 | i got there from Stuff I thought | |
| 11:40 | stuff being stuff.co.nz | |
| 11:40 | ...and now the word stuff looks strange to me | |
| 11:40 | slef | oh that reminds me |
| 11:41 | Tuesday, travelling into London King's Cross, train driver announces "please take all your things with you"... the use of "things" seemed incongruous (they usually say "belongings" or "luggage") | |
| 11:42 | wizzyrea | hm that does seem unusually informal for britain |
| 11:42 | slef | the announcements are often automatic |
| 11:43 | one driver used to delight on running down the entire board of automatic announcements on the way into King's Lynn | |
| 11:43 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 11:43 | slef | really obscure stuff about making sure the disabled access ramp was securely stowed and so on |
| 11:43 | wizzyrea | I like living in a place where taking the train is a common occurrence |
| 11:44 | slef | have you seen pics of our new stations? |
| 11:44 | wizzyrea | hmmm no I don't think so |
| 11:44 | slef | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L[…]Cross#Restoration |
| 11:45 | wizzyrea | ohhhh that's quite magic |
| 11:45 | slef | hrm, only the departure hall |
| 11:45 | they've removed the old departure hall at last, so you can see the station front too | |
| 11:45 | wizzyrea | travel hubs should be grand and inventive I think |
| 11:46 | with either a sense of grand stability, or a feeling of whimsy and adventure | |
| 11:46 | I don't think they are necessarily mutually exclusive | |
| 11:47 | do people like it? | |
| 11:47 | the king's cross restoration? | |
| 11:47 | slef | I really like that elevated walkway in departures. Partly because the ramps to platforms 0-8 put me at the right end of the train for home without walking from the other end and partly because the ticket barriers are rarely used. |
| 11:48 | I think so. | |
| 11:48 | I can't find a picture of the front (arrivals) square now that the 30+-year-old "temporary" departure shed has been removed. | |
| 11:49 | * slef | looks to see if he has one |
| 11:49 | slef | bah, nope |
| 11:50 | wizzyrea | hehe there's a platform 9 3/4 |
| 11:50 | we have one too, but it's a dry cleaner. | |
| 11:50 | ^ | |
| 11:50 | ^.^ | |
| 11:51 | slef | imagine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F[…]nt_2012-03-26.jpg with the platforms opening straight onto the open square below the glass arch windows |
| 11:52 | wizzyrea | ooooo |
| 11:53 | very grand. | |
| 11:56 | slef | It is, of course, still completely overshadowed by its neighbour http://commons.wikimedia.org/w[…]ation_2011-06.jpg http://commons.wikimedia.org/w[…]MMB_04_373XXX.jpg |
| 11:58 | which is a long way from the "drive onto the platforms" state it was in when I first saw it: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w[…]_Station_1980.jpg | |
| 12:01 | wizzyrea | hmmm lovely now |
| 12:01 | fancy train too | |
| 12:01 | I don't mind a leisurely train ride | |
| 12:04 | slef | you won't find many leisurely train rides at StP - 180mph Eurostars and Javelins, 110mph Thameslinks |
| 12:05 | Even King's Cross commuter trains do 70 I think | |
| 12:05 | oh wait, Thameslinks have sliding doors so are probably slower | |
| 12:06 | 100mph | |
| 12:06 | wizzyrea | that's pretty fast :) |
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| 12:06 | wizzyrea | but I find that even at fast, a train is a lot nicer than say, a bus. |
| 12:06 | slef | yeah I thought we didn't have sliding doors on any 100+mph stock because the wind blew them open |
| 12:07 | wizzyrea | how do the doors work if they don't slide? |
| 12:07 | slef | plug-style doors |
| 12:07 | they pop out of the body on arms | |
| 12:07 | or we still have some old slam-door ones with hinges | |
| 12:07 | wizzyrea | yea, that's what I was just struggling to describe |
| 12:08 | pop out on arms | |
| 12:08 | but mostly those sit flush to the train | |
| 12:08 | which is sensible | |
| 12:09 | slef | there's been a lot of discussion about trains here... there's an upgrade planned, which was originally called "Thameslink 2000"... oddly it's now called "the Thameslink Programme" |
| 12:09 | so you can guess how long it's taking | |
| 12:09 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 12:09 | slef | those two London stations side-by-side were a basically penis-size contest between two of the early railways, the Great Northern Railway and its former client the Midland Railway. Midland was forced to merge with London North Western after WWI and the resulting company focused on the then-Doric-arched London Euston, leaving StP to slowly decay. |
| 12:10 | MR built its own line and terminal because GNR prioritised its own traffic when things got busy. | |
| 12:11 | wizzyrea | oo interesting |
| 12:11 | slef | I think a similar contest happened between the GWR and GCR in West London, with Paddington and Marylebone |
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| 12:13 | slef | StP only survived because of the focus on Euston, which was butchered in the 1960s |
| 12:14 | and when the Channel Tunnel trains needed a new London station to replace the overcrowded Waterloo (besides the political faux pas of having trains from Paris arrive in a station called Waterloo), StP was there, waiting for the new use. | |
| 12:15 | drojf | erm. i have been offline and talking to myself for 20 minutes and pidgin realized that just now? interesting |
| 12:15 | slef | pidgin-- |
| 12:15 | drojf | pidgin-- indeed |
| 12:16 | i would rather not have to read the log parallel to being on irc so i can see if i am still "there" :/ | |
| 12:16 | slef | drojf: does pidgin not ping? |
| 12:17 | ERC pings a bit aggressively, reconnecting on even minor network disruption, but I prefer that to talking to myself. | |
| 12:17 | drojf | slef: apparently not? i am slightly surprised |
| 12:18 | my internet connection was up so that can't be it | |
| 12:18 | liw | drojf, I've found that an irc proxy is nice, regardless of irc client (I use bip; there are a number of alternatives) -- admittedly, it's one more thing one needs to install, configure, and keep running |
| 12:20 | I like an irc proxy especially for the reason that I can then close my irc client at will, when I want a bit of peace and quiet from my co-workers, in order to do real work, and not be tempted by highlights and privmsgs and URLs to kitty pics other distractions | |
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| 12:20 | liw | (iin other words, I use an irc proxy as a replacement for self-discipline) |
| 12:20 | drojf | heh |
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| 12:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:22 | drojf | liw: i think an irc proxy does not really make sense unless i have a server outside of my network to put it on, and i don't have one atm |
| 12:22 | hi oleonard | |
| 12:22 | wizzyrea | oleonard! I had a question for you regarding the bootstrap stuff |
| 12:22 | * wizzyrea | runs bip on a rpi |
| 12:22 | oleonard | wizzyrea! Go to bed! |
| 12:22 | * drojf | should lose a pi in the university network |
| 12:22 | wizzyrea | pft |
| 12:23 | * wizzyrea | goes to fetch those error messages..... |
| 12:23 | drojf | wizzyrea: a pi at home? |
| 12:23 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 12:24 | drojf | i could of course put it there, it runs my xmpp server too. but it won't help much if my network goes down, which i so far considered more likely than pidgin just not knowing it is offline |
| 12:25 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 12:25 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.0°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 05, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:26 | drojf | oh but what i actually tried to ask when i was not here… |
| 12:26 | stumbling across http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_List_Proposal i wonder if a koha-security list has ever been established?! at least not on the biblibre list server | |
| 12:26 | wizzyrea | it was irritated at me about cssinclude, kept saying it was not found |
| 12:27 | now that could be local config type issues | |
| 12:27 | oleonard | wizzyrea: If you normally use the ccsr theme you probably have your opaccolorstylesheet pref set, and I don't think there is a "colors.css" file in my bootstrap theme |
| 12:28 | I'll probably have to add a blank one for that reason. | |
| 12:29 | wizzyrea | hmmmm |
| 12:32 | * wizzyrea | bounces |
| 12:32 | wizzyrea | yay thanks oleonard |
| 12:33 | ...also it probably helps having the files readable by the proper user, which I didn't think of until I asked you my question. But I still wouldn't have thought to clear out colors.css | |
| 12:34 | oleonard++ | |
| 12:34 | oleonard | If that's the biggest problem you found then I'm winning so far |
| 12:34 | * wizzyrea | goes to happily test it |
| 12:34 | jcamins | wizzyrea: isn't it a bit late for you? |
| 12:34 | wizzyrea | hmmm yes |
| 12:34 | but it's friday | |
| 12:35 | well saturday morning | |
| 12:35 | by 35 mins | |
| 12:36 | is the bootstrap theme, if you want to poke at it | |
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| 12:36 | wizzyrea | it might have some strange settings set |
| 12:36 | oleonard | Oooh, yay! |
| 12:36 | * oleonard | pulls out his phone |
| 12:37 | wizzyrea | and that is actually connected to your git branch |
| 12:37 | nothing fancy schmancy | |
| 12:37 | so I can pull in your changes anytime, just drop me an email | |
| 12:37 | cjh++ #again. For gitify. | |
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| 12:38 | oleonard | Hm, well that's a huge fail. No narrow layout on my phone. |
| 12:38 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:38 | wizzyrea | it sizes down in the browser window ok |
| 12:39 | jcamins | oleonard: did you do the scaling command? |
| 12:39 | oleonard | It may be an iPhone "retina" resolution thing |
| 12:39 | I guess not jcamins | |
| 12:39 | drojf | oleonard: i get the normal view on a 320x480 (or something like that) firefoxos phone too |
| 12:40 | wizzyrea | it's the same on my android as well |
| 12:40 | jcamins | <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0" /> |
| 12:40 | wizzyrea | (chrome) |
| 12:41 | (that's literally the first time I've seen it, is just now) | |
| 12:42 | drojf | it's nicely responsive in firefox nightly responsive mode in the size of my phone |
| 12:43 | slef | seems to behave reasonaly well zooming in iceweasel |
| 12:43 | opening in midori | |
| 12:43 | wizzyrea | it looks so flash! |
| 12:43 | Really pretty | |
| 12:44 | slef | wizzyrea: really? I assumed the colours yet to be sorted out. |
| 12:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Update pushed with the meta tag added. |
| 12:44 | wizzyrea | well more the fonts and such |
| 12:44 | sec oleonard | |
| 12:44 | slef | mid-grey on light grey is painful to me, insufficient contrast |
| 12:44 | oleonard | slef: I based the color scheme on ccsr |
| 12:44 | slef | I don't remember looking at ccsr |
| 12:45 | oleonard | slef: It's not what I would choose for myself either, but people seem to like ccsr for looking more modern |
| 12:45 | jcamins | The first thing I do with CCSR is generally change the colors. |
| 12:45 | slef | "people" often ignore visually-impaired users, sadly |
| 12:46 | oleonard | People are assholes. |
| 12:46 | * wizzyrea | would quote add that |
| 12:46 | slef | if we could make the main body background white, the main text black and the mid-grey lines a bit darker grey, it would help |
| 12:46 | wizzyrea | but prooooobably don't want that coming up on the dashboard or on bugzilla. >.> |
| 12:47 | slef | odd problem in midori - the text in the two drop-downs in Search has its descenders cut off |
| 12:47 | wizzyrea | ok should be updated |
| 12:47 | slef | does that happen in other webkit browsers? |
| 12:47 | wizzyrea | well it's different now anyway |
| 12:48 | slef | the login and password boxes are overlapping the right edge of the box beneath it in midori too |
| 12:48 | neither happens in iceweasel | |
| 12:48 | oleonard | Dammit I updated the wrong file, sorry. |
| 12:48 | wizzyrea | but still not doing what it feels like it should responsively on my phoen |
| 12:48 | phone* | |
| 12:48 | ah ok :) | |
| 12:49 | slef | there's a pop-up appears when I go over "Cart", but it vanishes as soon as I try to move onto the pop-up :-/ |
| 12:49 | wizzyrea | slef, even if there's something in your cart? |
| 12:49 | because if there's nothing that's working as intended | |
| 12:49 | slef | wizzyrea: not tried that yet |
| 12:50 | wizzyrea | all the popup says is "there's nothing in your cart" |
| 12:50 | slef | why? I only want to move my pointer down so it's not hiding part of the text in the pop-up! |
| 12:50 | wizzyrea | hm, in firefox it's below the black bar, my mouse isn't over any of the text |
| 12:51 | slef | it's below, but my eyesight is bad so my pointer is big... |
| 12:51 | else I have to hunt for it | |
| 12:51 | wizzyrea | ahhhh yep sensible |
| 12:51 | drojf | still not responsive for me on the phone |
| 12:51 | * wizzyrea | thinks oleonard is working on it :) |
| 12:51 | oleonard | slef: Isn't it the same in the old theme slef? |
| 12:51 | slef | yep, same happens when there's something in my cart |
| 12:53 | oleonard | Okay wizzyrea could you try that again? |
| 12:53 | wizzyrea | yep doing now |
| 12:54 | oleonard | slef: That was a LONG time ago now. Please comment on accessibility things! |
| 12:54 | slef | wizzyrea: same thing happens with something in my cart. Message now seems to be "[obscured] has been added to your cart" |
| 12:55 | oleonard: sure, when I get spare time. | |
| 12:55 | http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz[…]et.pl?bib_list=2/ shows merge markers | |
| 12:55 | wizzyrea | yea I messed up :) |
| 12:55 | slef | ok thought you'd know |
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| 12:56 | slef | now I've got same behaviour with a message "[???]s in your cart: 1" |
| 12:56 | it'd be nice for the pop-up to show details, or clicking the pop-up to open the cart | |
| 12:57 | oleonard | slef: The behavior of the cart popup doesn't change based on what is in it |
| 12:57 | kf | slef: i am also very interested in accessibility |
| 12:57 | wahanui | okay, kf. |
| 12:57 | kf | lol wahanui |
| 12:57 | slef | oleonard: could it behave like the Lists and be click-on/click-off? |
| 12:57 | oleonard | It certainly could |
| 12:58 | slef | oleonard: seems odd to have neighbouring buttons behave differently, no? |
| 12:58 | drojf | yay it's responsive now on my phone |
| 12:58 | oleonard++ | |
| 12:58 | slef | oleonard: I'd like that. |
| 12:59 | wizzyrea | ok sorry how about now? |
| 13:00 | yay mine too! | |
| 13:00 | drojf | it has a margin/padding/whatever these css things are on the right and bottom which makes it a little wobbly when scrolling |
| 13:00 | * wizzyrea | had to do some git gymnastics just now because she DID IT WRONG. :) |
| 13:01 | wizzyrea | oh yea, it doesn't quiiiite fit my phone |
| 13:01 | just a skosh too wide | |
| 13:01 | oleonard | Where? |
| 13:02 | kf | oleonard++ :) |
| 13:02 | wizzyrea | like, if you are looking at it on your phone, you can rub back and forth and it's wibbly |
| 13:02 | not up and down | |
| 13:02 | just the margin on the right I think | |
| 13:03 | drojf | the silver/grey background of "advanced search" etc. extends to the right and bottom |
| 13:03 | oleonard | Okay, yeah that's weird. |
| 13:03 | * oleonard | is seeing it for the first time on a phone too |
| 13:03 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 13:03 | * wizzyrea | is happy to help |
| 13:04 | * oleonard | does not know what kind of networking magic would be required to make his VM accessible on his phone |
| 13:04 | Viktor | Just popping to say that the new theme looks great. And I do love accessibility (and it's even a selling point over here) |
| 13:05 | wizzyrea | those bootstrap icons are pretty cool, and enough of a universal now that people know what they mean |
| 13:06 | kf | Viktor: not only a selling point here... required by law actually... |
| 13:06 | here :) | |
| 13:06 | wizzyrea | yea, I agree with slef - the cart link should work like the list link does |
| 13:06 | kf | for public instutions |
| 13:06 | and it's certainly a good chance to make things better :) | |
| 13:06 | wizzyrea | it's... flashing. Not flash, but flashy. |
| 13:06 | as in it flashes when you touch it | |
| 13:07 | Viktor | kf I like that :) |
| 13:07 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Yeah, that's a clear choice having tested it in a touch interface |
| 13:08 | kf | Viktor: yeah, but i think it's still not done everywhere... slow process |
| 13:08 | * oleonard | has on his list to see if the Cart would work better as a modal window rather than a popup, especially for mobile |
| 13:08 | Viktor | The only thing that bothers me with the visual look is the icons for highlight, place hold and tag. |
| 13:09 | oleonard | Viktor: Yeah, those controls are still problematic |
| 13:09 | I've been hacking on that without success so far | |
| 13:09 | Viktor | Icons requires standardization and only really work well in an OS |
| 13:10 | * Viktor | stating the obvious to people who already know.. :) |
| 13:10 | * wizzyrea | reminds people that oleonard has published his branch on gitorious |
| 13:10 | wizzyrea | so you can fix too :) |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Or comment on Bug 10309 |
| 13:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Or email me directly |
| 13:11 | Please do one of those things because if you just mention it here I'll forget your comment | |
| 13:11 | drojf | the order in the search form differs between the start screen and the login screen. on start i have the search field on top, on the login screen i have the catalog dropdown on top. also the login form is visible on the start page already so technically it would make sense to use an anchor instead of loading a new page to log in but that would probably destroy the functionality in regular view? |
| 13:11 | kf | oleonard: do you want me to add my comments from yesterday about authority search? |
| 13:11 | i can do that tomorrow from the logs :) | |
| 13:12 | oleonard | Yes thanks kf |
| 13:12 | * oleonard | has to switch gears and test Bug 2720 |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned |
| 13:12 | * kf | writes herself an email reminder :) |
| 13:12 | kf | is ther an official "testing opac" now? I saw the link earlier |
| 13:13 | wizzyrea | it's not official |
| 13:13 | but it is certainly for testing | |
| 13:14 | * wizzyrea | will try to remember to fetch & rebase every day |
| 13:15 | wizzyrea | well possibly not tomorrow |
| 13:15 | or sunday. | |
| 13:15 | eythian | go to bed wizzyrea |
| 13:15 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 13:15 | eythian | appropriate reply :) |
| 13:16 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 13:16 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea, awake so late/soon? |
| 13:16 | wizzyrea | mmmm 1am :) |
| 13:16 | kf | tsk :) |
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| 13:16 | kf | hi Dyrcona |
| 13:17 | Dyrcona | Hi, kf! |
| 13:17 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 13:21 | khall++ | |
| 13:22 | thanks | |
| 13:22 | khall | np! |
| 13:22 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:22 | khall | Here's a problem I never thought I'd have: I can't qa anything because almost everything that needs qa'ed is either written by me or signed-off by me! |
| 13:23 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 13:24 | * khall | goes back to signing-off mode |
| 13:25 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:25 | khall: there is an ldap patch i woud love someone to look at | |
| 13:25 | tried catching you about that for a while now :P | |
| 13:26 | hm maybe that's gone from the list already | |
| 13:30 | eythian | http://nieuws.klm.com/ook-comicsansdag-bij-klm/ <-- "Vandaag is het weer Comic Sans Dag" ... http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007 |
| 13:31 | khall | kf: what bug number? |
| 13:31 | wahanui | hmmm... bug number is wrong in the subject. |
| 13:34 | wizzyrea | http://www.xkcd.com/1228/ |
| 13:36 | kf | khall: I can't find it now... you are safe ;) |
| 13:38 | khall | excellent! |
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| 13:41 | wizzyrea | it may be late, but sometimes... just sometimes... this is how I feel about MARC: http://www.xkcd.com/1209/ |
| 13:42 | and with that I good night you. | |
| 13:42 | have a happy friday :) | |
| 13:43 | oleonard | Bye wizzyrea |
| 13:44 | jajm | khall, could you have another look on Bug 8064, plz ? :) |
| 13:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8064 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Failed QA , Merge several biblio records |
| 13:44 | oleonard | khall: Testing 2720 again now. Thanks for the new patch. |
| 13:45 | khall | np! |
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| 13:45 | khall | jajm: I did not notices the dependency bug. I imagine that's my issue |
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| 13:49 | jajm | khall, this happens to me quite often too, maybe a patch to git-bz could prevent that |
| 13:49 | khall | yeah, that would be a great feature. |
| 13:50 | I'm afraid it appears that there is a rather large merge conflict that needs to be taken care of | |
| 13:50 | jcamins | khall: in 9755? |
| 13:51 | * jcamins | thought he just rebased it. |
| 13:51 | khall | in 8064 after 9755 is applied |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Oh. Okay. I did not touch 8064. |
| 13:51 | jajm | oh i will try to rebase 8064 |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Wow... someone entirely missed the point of Java. |
| 13:52 | khall | jcamins: For 9755 Koha_Authority.t fails for me |
| 13:53 | t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t .. Dubious, test returned 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00) | |
| 13:53 | All 3 subtests passed | |
| 13:53 | Test Summary Report | |
| 13:53 | ------------------- | |
| 13:53 | t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 3 Failed: 0) | |
| 13:53 | Non-zero exit status: 255 | |
| 13:53 | Parse errors: No plan found in TAP output | |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Apparently J-ISIS is Windows-only. Why don't you just write your program in something native if you're going to write a Windows-only program? |
| 13:53 | khall: hm. I'll take a look. | |
| 13:53 | khall | I don't have any authorities set up, so I thought that might be why though |
| 13:54 | jcamins | If you run `perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t` what output do you get? |
| 13:54 | khall | perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t |
| 13:54 | ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; | |
| 13:54 | ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object | |
| 13:54 | ok 3 - Saved record | |
| 13:54 | Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51. | |
| 13:54 | # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Modification of a read-only value? |
| 13:54 | ... weird. | |
| 13:54 | khall | One thing I notices was that the number of tests is not specified |
| 13:55 | jcamins | Yeah, because it uses done_testing. |
| 13:55 | But apparently it's crashing before it gets there. | |
| 13:56 | And it passed before 9755? | |
| 13:56 | khall | ahh, I see. I thought it might have to do the the test skipping. |
| 13:56 | on master: | |
| 13:56 | perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t | |
| 13:56 | ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; | |
| 13:56 | ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object | |
| 13:56 | ok 3 - Saved record | |
| 13:56 | Modification of a read-only value attempted at t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t line 51. | |
| 13:56 | # Tests were run but no plan was declared and done_testing() was not seen. | |
| 13:56 | same deal, so it's not your patch | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | ... |
| 13:56 | Try creating an authority? | |
| 13:56 | Just to see if it fixes it? | |
| 13:57 | khall | yup, that fixes it |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 13:58 | khall | perl t/db_dependent/Koha_Authority.t |
| 13:58 | ok 1 - use Koha::Authority; | |
| 13:58 | ok 2 - Created valid Koha::Authority object | |
| 13:58 | ok 3 - Saved record | |
| 13:58 | ok 4 - Retrieved valid Koha::Authority object | |
| 13:58 | ok 5 - Object authid is correct | |
| 13:58 | ok 6 - Retrieved correct record | |
| 13:58 | ok 7 - No invalid record is retrieved | |
| 13:58 | 1..7 | |
| 13:58 | jcamins | I wonder why the SKIP works on my computer and not yours. |
| 13:58 | khall | good question, no ideas though |
| 13:59 | jcamins | Well, eventually it needs to create its own records anyway. |
| 14:01 | oleonard | khall: I'm getting an error when I try to run overdue_notices.pl: "Undefined subroutine &main::dt_from_string called at overdue_notices.pl line 519." |
| 14:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]15ce2d8950aeab060> / Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a7287c49b593424c> / Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/?p=koha.git;a=co |
| 14:01 | khall | oleonard: I'll take a look, I forgot the use line |
| 14:02 | oleonard | What does it need? I'll add it for my tests without waiting for a new patch |
| 14:03 | khall | use Koha::DateUtils |
| 14:05 | oleonard: new patch is up now | |
| 14:11 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dd9dfe60c485b40c6> |
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| 14:29 | kf | tcohen: intersting about stop words in zebra |
| 14:30 | tcohen | hm? |
| 14:31 | i'm *almost* sure about it heh | |
| 14:31 | jcamins | For the record, I recommend against using that feature. |
| 14:32 | kf | i think it would mess up with searching "the the"? |
| 14:32 | * kf | dislikes stop words |
| 14:32 | jcamins | kf: nah, it's just for sorting so it actually helps... but it tends to lead to people having customized configurations that confuse the heck out of them when they go back to upgrade. |
| 14:33 | kf | jcamins: hm ok |
| 14:33 | jcamins | At least, that's been my experience. |
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| 14:34 | adam_m | Hello, Does anyone know if there happens to be a tutorial on using SSL with Koha? |
| 14:37 | eythian | I'm not sure of a tutorial, but in general you just set it up like you would any other ssl site. |
| 14:38 | We tend to run our systems like that. | |
| 14:39 | adam_m | ok, thats fine, I was just wondering If anyone had anything specific. I've never done any web design or anything like that. |
| 14:40 | Ill just look at using ssl with apache then | |
| 14:40 | eythian | yeah, that'll do the trick. |
| 14:41 | adam_m | thanks |
| 14:42 | oleonard | khall: Was there a reason why you didn't use the borrower_debarments.inc include in memberentrygen.tt? |
| 14:45 | ...before I try it myself? :) | |
| 15:05 | drojf | magnuse++ |
| 15:08 | druthb | ! |
| 15:09 | * druthb | hides from magnuse |
| 15:10 | drojf | oh, i forgot how mean he is ;) but he also made a nice wiki page about koha apis and protocols supported by koha |
| 15:10 | kf | true :) |
| 15:14 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:23 | drojf | why does it say 'desired_due_date (Required)' for ILS-DI RenewLoan when it is left out in the example (hence does not seem to be required)? |
| 15:24 | eythian | perhaps it's an error |
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| 15:25 | kf | the docs are not 100% accurate |
| 15:25 | there was something for authentication too i noticed | |
| 15:25 | drojf | "the date the patron would like the item returned by" … as if they could decide that :P |
| 15:26 | eythian | docs for APIs should really be generated from internal API specifications. |
| 15:32 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1290: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1290/ |
| 15:32 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Spanish Zebra character sorting file | |
| 15:32 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10431 - Redundant mappings removed | |
| 15:32 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10474: Translate some English strings in German sample notices | |
| 15:32 | * Marc Veron: Bug 5894: Display all titles when confirming copy of items from cart to list | |
| 15:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10431 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Spanish Zebra language definition file |
| 15:32 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10474 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Translate some missed English strings in German sample notices | |
| 15:32 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5894 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Adding multiple items from a cart to a list shows only the first title | |
| 15:35 | kf | :) |
| 15:35 | every time i see one of my patches going into koha it makes me smile :) | |
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| 15:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ed34c3bd4b266fcfb> |
| 15:53 | eythian | beer o'clock now. |
| 15:53 | tcohen | lucky you eythian! |
| 15:56 | drojf | do i understand it correctly that ILS-DI is not supposed to do checkouts, just renewals? |
| 15:57 | which in return means if i'd like to do checkouts from outside of koha the only way is SIP2? | |
| 15:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1291 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | drojf: correct, checkout is not one of the defined abstract functions of the ILS-DI recommendation |
| 16:01 | the patron services part of the recommendation focuses on services that a patron could do completely without library (or librarian) mediation | |
| 16:01 | drojf | i suppose self checkout was not considered something like that in 2008? |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | right, the focus of the task force was effectively interaction between ILSs and discovery interfaces |
| 16:02 | of course, you can always add a web service that handles checkouts | |
| 16:03 | drojf | ok. thanks for the clarification gmcharlt |
| 16:18 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ac7fa4f9ba676b95d> / Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]928dea799717bc5fb> |
| 16:18 | drojf | C4/ILSDI/Services.pm produces XML in ISO-8859-1 |
| 16:18 | gerundio | hi everyone |
| 16:19 | drojf | hi gerundio |
| 16:19 | gerundio | been experiencing some "Out of memory" errors with Apache/Koha processes |
| 16:19 | googled around a bit, but couldn't find any particular useful piece of information about it | |
| 16:20 | the errors refer mostly to "detail.pl" | |
| 16:20 | but I have ocurrences from "circulation.pl", "mainpage.pl" and "members-home.pl" | |
| 16:20 | drojf | do you have third party services enabled? |
| 16:20 | hm ok that is like half of koha | |
| 16:21 | gerundio | such as covers from Google Books? |
| 16:21 | drojf | yes, i thought if it is on the detail page maybe something like covers or social networks is broken due to changes on the other side |
| 16:22 | gerundio | we do have Google Books cover integration active |
| 16:22 | from memory I'd say that's the only 3rd party service we have enabled | |
| 16:23 | the weird thing is that this totally messes up the server and requires us to restart it | |
| 16:23 | this only happened in 3 ocasions so far | |
| 16:23 | in 6 months running Koha | |
| 16:24 | but I wasn't able to pin point the source of the problem | |
| 16:24 | drojf, do you have any idea how to debug this kind of issues? | |
| 16:26 | oleonard | @later tell khall Ping me when you get a moment |
| 16:26 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:28 | gerundio | btw, apache logs and syslog don't show any entries regarding these errors |
| 16:28 | rambutan | gerundio: have you checked both the koha and system logs? does running "top" show anything? how about 'free"? |
| 16:29 | gerundio | rambutan, the server is unreachable via terminal, so I can't really run any command at that time |
| 16:29 | after restarting it we checked the logs and nothing there :| | |
| 16:30 | rambutan | how much RAM is installed? |
| 16:30 | gerundio | 1 GB |
| 16:31 | speaking of which | |
| 16:31 | 2nd outage today | |
| 16:31 | rambutan | ah, that seems to be a bit light |
| 16:31 | gerundio | happening right now |
| 16:31 | memory usage runs at 10% | |
| 16:31 | rambutan | really? |
| 16:31 | wahanui | rumour has it really is off now |
| 16:31 | gerundio | so I would really say that memory is the problem |
| 16:32 | rambutan | any way to add ram? if you can arrange some downtime you might also run memtest86 |
| 16:32 | how much swap space do you have? | |
| 16:34 | drojf | i'd also go for memtest. if that suddenly started happening your RAM might be bad |
| 16:35 | gerundio | drojf, virtual machines |
| 16:35 | we have all servers virtualized | |
| 16:36 | my 1st thought was also "1GB RAM is short" | |
| 16:36 | but after seeying the values or memory usage | |
| 16:36 | of ^^ | |
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| 16:37 | drojf | gerundio: but then there must be RAM in the host. which of course can also go bad |
| 16:37 | gerundio | btw, rambutan 2GB of swap space |
| 16:38 | drojf, we have many VM on that HW working without problems | |
| 16:38 | * cait | waves |
| 16:39 | drojf | and you allocated different areas of your RAM to them, i suppose. |
| 16:39 | hi cait | |
| 16:39 | gerundio | anyways, let me check with my colleagues who manage the VMs |
| 16:39 | * drojf | has no idea how VM software manages the RAM stuff internally |
| 16:44 | gerundio | ok, so the Koha VM as been isolated so we can check for memory issues |
| 16:45 | in the meantime I looked into the apache access logs | |
| 16:45 | the last request before the outage was "/cgi-bin/koha/serials/serials-collection.pl?op=gennext&subscriptionid=33" | |
| 16:48 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3abfc40a77620e94b> |
| 16:48 | gerundio | coincidence or not, the previous outage happened with the same request |
| 16:49 | drojf | then you got something to try again :) |
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| 16:54 | gerundio | the librarians mentioned they were cataloging serials (is this the correct term?) |
| 16:55 | I looked into the DB and found the biblionumber associated with that subscription | |
| 16:55 | so I'll ask them to try and reproduce whatever they were doing with this record | |
| 16:55 | thanks for all your help | |
| 17:08 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]93980a273b8cc09f4> / Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d5efd864247dd4ead> |
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| 17:16 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1291: SUCCESS in 1 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1291/ |
| 17:16 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9113: fix handling of certain characters by item batch modification tool | |
| 17:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9113 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , batch modification removes + |
| 17:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1292 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:21 | pianohacker | Has anyone using dh-make-perl seen an error trying to require ExtUtils::MakeMaker? |
| 17:22 | jcamins | pianohacker: yes. There was a package missing, but I don't remember which one. |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | jcamins: Okay, at least I'm not the only one. What's confusing me is that that module seems to be a core module |
| 17:23 | jcamins | I don't think it was MakeMaker that was missing. |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | and the fact that it's missing seems important, as dh-make-perl vomits out 6 errors and fails after that |
| 17:23 | jcamins | Maybe build-essentials, or one of those others? |
| 17:24 | pianohacker | already installed |
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| 17:53 | pianohacker | what kind of asshat puts latin-1 in a META.yml in 2013? <grumble> |
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| 18:05 | cait | someone who didn't know better? |
| 18:05 | probably not helpful :) | |
| 18:32 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1292: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1292/ |
| 18:32 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9533: batch item modification form now shows default field values only by request | |
| 18:32 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10384: fall back to normal authentication if LDAP server is not available | |
| 18:32 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10317: improve display when order receiving page is given an invalid invoiceid | |
| 18:32 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10390: Add ability to delete empty invoices | |
| 18:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9533 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batch item modification should ignore defaults |
| 18:32 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10390: (follow-up) correct description of a test |
| 18:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10384 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Software error when LDAP connexion fails |
| 18:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10317 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Parcel should display a message when called with an nonexistent invoiceid | |
| 18:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10390 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to delete unused invoices | |
| 18:33 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1293 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:48 | Project Koha_master build #1293: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1293/ | |
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| 20:28 | * pianohacker | wishes ebook providers used a standard metadata format, and Perl 6 was stable, and that he had a pretty pink pony |
| 20:28 | pianohacker | actually, sorry, the pony's much easier to achieve than Perl 6 |
| 20:29 | cait | why pink? |
| 20:30 | pianohacker | alliteration |
| 20:30 | cait | very good reason! |
| 20:30 | * cait | thinks |
| 20:30 | cait | os maybe a purple pony would be another option? |
| 20:30 | pianohacker | true true |
| 20:30 | cait | :) |
| 20:30 | pianohacker | color of royalty and all that |
| 20:30 | cait | sorry, feeling friday silly |
| 20:30 | :) | |
| 20:31 | bag | :) |
| 20:31 | pianohacker | well, you'd better take that to another channel. Here in #koha, we mean serious business! |
| 20:31 | bag | yeah pianohacker they all have their own methods I guess |
| 20:31 | pianohacker | pretty much. it's all dublin-core-ish-kind-of, but t'would be nice if they'd just say so :) |
| 20:34 | * druthb | wields pointy stick, and takes aim at pianohacker. |
| 20:35 | druthb | youngling, we don't pick on Saint Cait around here. |
| 20:35 | cait | huh? |
| 20:35 | he did pick? | |
| 20:35 | might be too tired from this week to notice | |
| 20:35 | druthb | tellin' you to take silliness elsewhere. |
| 20:35 | pianohacker | oh goodness, my apologies |
| 20:35 | cait | oh right |
| 20:35 | * pianohacker | says three hail MARCs |
| 20:36 | druthb | pick on bag all you want; it's just a paycheck, after all. |
| 20:36 | bag | I don't think pianohacker was picking on cait |
| 20:36 | * pianohacker | picks on druthb for picking on me for picking on cait |
| 20:37 | bag | pick on me all you want - I can hang |
| 20:37 | * cait | is confused now |
| 20:37 | cait | you all get no qa from me today. |
| 20:37 | :P | |
| 20:37 | confused | no, cait, *I'm* confused. |
| 20:37 | pianohacker | wait, I'm beginning to get the impression I was supposed to be respectful to bag to begin with |
| 20:37 | aw, hell | |
| 20:37 | cait | ok, i was actually too tired anyway, going to do some tomorrow |
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| 20:38 | druthb | poor nickserv. It's having a nervous breakdown on me in another window. |
| 20:38 | Respectful to bag? pshaw. | |
| 20:38 | bag | pianohacker: be respectful too all - like you always have been - who knows what druthb is saying right now :) |
| 20:39 | * pianohacker | gives druthb his emergency tequila |
| 20:39 | pianohacker | It makes jokes easier to convey over IRC :) |
| 20:39 | * druthb | makes silly faces at bag, and goes to make a margarita. |
| 20:40 | cait | ok |
| 20:40 | is anyone having pizza tonight? | |
| 20:40 | druthb | nope nope nope. |
| 20:40 | * cait | does a friday sanity check |
| 20:40 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 20:40 | Too hot. | |
| 20:40 | cait | ok, that's very very wrong |
| 20:40 | it's friday! | |
| 20:40 | pianohacker | crap. I'm the college student, I can order some domino's or something |
| 20:40 | that count? | |
| 20:40 | * druthb | is working on being the only KohaCon sponsor who can actually manage to *make sales* at the conference, and have the customer go home with product in hand. |
| 20:41 | cait | pianohacker: that would totally count |
| 20:41 | druthb | imma hoping to crank up the lathe some this weekend. I'm hoping to bring about 150 items with me. |
| 20:41 | cait | and i am also counting on magnuse here a little bit... |
| 20:41 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 20:41 | druthb | lol |
| 20:41 | wahanui: botsnack cookie | |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cait: magnuse is at a wedding. He had pizza yesterday. |
| 20:41 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 20:41 | pianohacker | i |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cait? |
| 20:41 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cait? |
| 20:41 | wahanui | well, cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit... |
| 20:41 | bag | cait Sonja and I always do make your own pizza on friday nights - so yes we are having pizza tonight |
| 20:42 | cait | bag: excellent! |
| 20:42 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 20:42 | pianohacker | oh cool, I didn't know wahanui was smart enough to do that |
| 20:42 | cait | so maybe that will balance out... somehow |
| 20:42 | pianohacker | |
| 20:42 | wahanui | I HATE XML |
| 20:42 | cait | :) |
| 20:42 | cait? | |
| 20:42 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 20:42 | cait | cait? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | you are, like, qam, not your secretary |
| 20:42 | druthb | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | 'scuse me while I cue up "Hail to the Chief!" |
| 20:42 | jcamins | me? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | you are brilliant |
| 20:42 | cait | me? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | hmmm... cait is counting on magnuse here a little bit... |
| 20:42 | cait | hehe |
| 20:42 | jcamins | I? |
| 20:42 | wahanui | i think jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. |
| 20:42 | bag | NateC? |
| 20:42 | druthb | ooh. |
| 20:42 | wahanui | I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE |
| 20:43 | druthb | me? |
| 20:43 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | me? |
| 20:43 | wahanui | I HATE XML |
| 20:43 | bag | bag? |
| 20:43 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 20:43 | jcamins | druthb: I hadn't seen that one before. |
| 20:43 | druthb | wahanui: become me |
| 20:43 | wahanui | druthb: sorry... |
| 20:43 | cait | be me |
| 20:43 | jcamins | wahanui: be druthb |
| 20:43 | wahanui | Harrumph! |
| 20:43 | cait | wahanui: be me |
| 20:43 | wahanui | hmpf. |
| 20:43 | druthb | oh! Be. |
| 20:43 | cait | hehe |
| 20:43 | jcamins | wahanui: be cait |
| 20:43 | wahanui | hmpf. |
| 20:43 | cait | hehe |
| 20:43 | jcamins | wahanui: be jcamins |
| 20:43 | wahanui | Have some fudge. |
| 20:43 | druthb | wahanui: be wahanui |
| 20:43 | wahanui | Look at me! I'm a bot! Beep beep! Boop boop! |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | bahahahaha wow |
| 20:44 | druthb | wahanui: be bag |
| 20:44 | wahanui | druthb: excuse me? |
| 20:44 | cait | botsnack pixiesnack |
| 20:44 | * pianohacker | goes back to being productive |
| 20:44 | cait | wahanui botsnack thatpixiesomethingruthmakes |
| 20:44 | wahanui | :) |
| 20:44 | druthb | pixiesnax! :) |
| 20:44 | pianohacker | and tries to ignore the facedancer bot |
| 20:44 | cait | pianohacker: yeah someone should be - i have given up for today |
| 20:44 | druthb | the *other* thing I'm bringing a bunch of to KohaCon. |
| 20:46 | wahanui: pianohacker is also a Dune fan, it seems. | |
| 20:46 | wahanui | okay, druthb. |
| 20:47 | * druthb | is in an ornery mood this afternoon. beware. |
| 20:48 | jcamins | I didn't like the sequels much. |
| 20:48 | cait | yeah, stopped reading them |
| 20:48 | but i like the first | |
| 20:48 | jcamins | Me too. |
| 20:48 | cait | i even wrote something about it in library school for one of my courses |
| 20:48 | druthb | I got up to God Emperor, and liked the story there, but after that, no. |
| 20:49 | After that was like trying to read the Silmarillion. Backwards. | |
| 20:51 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:51 | . | |
| 20:51 | Myshkin says hi. | |
| 20:51 | Or ".", as the case may be. | |
| 20:51 | druthb | Hi, Myshkin! |
| 20:51 | cait | . myshkin |
| 20:51 | :) | |
| 20:51 | druthb | hm. |
| 20:51 | wahanui: Myshkin? | |
| 20:51 | wahanui | i heard Myshkin was more than articulate enough without me performing his interior monologue. |
| 20:51 | cait | he is so skilled with words |
| 20:51 | druthb | lol |
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| 21:05 | aqualaptop | hey, whats the process of reporting bugs in git bz again? did it a while ago, and my saturday morning search foo is failing |
| 21:05 | if i'm not round, mention aquaman and I'll see it on monday | |
| 21:05 | jcamins | aqualaptop: there isn't really a process. |
| 21:05 | aqualaptop | hey jcamins |
| 21:05 | jcamins | If there's a patch, you e-mail it to someone with push access, and we push it. |
| 21:06 | If the bug is that git-bz isn't working for you, you need to get the latest version. | |
| 21:06 | rangi updated Bugzilla. | |
| 21:07 | aqualaptop | ah right, i can prob go and do a patch now, the bug was that I had a bug (9412) which was below a commit i had for bug 4439, and when i pushed up the patch for bug 4439, it didn't update the dependency graph, which I kindof assumed it would |
| 21:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service |
| 21:07 | aqualaptop | would you agree that could be a bug? |
| 21:07 | bug 9412 | |
| 21:07 | wahanui | bug 9412 is self-signed. |
| 21:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service |
| 21:07 | jcamins | Yeah, we were discussing how nice it would be if it understood dependencies. |
| 21:08 | aqualaptop | yeh, i've just come from projects that use gerrit for code review, which understands the concept of deps as it is just git underlying, whereas this will use static patches so doesn't understand it on upload |
| 21:09 | though i think in bug 4439 i mentioned the dependency in the commit message, maybe if we got a way to detect a line in the commit message and used that to build deps? | |
| 21:09 | pianohacker | yay! |
| 21:09 | * pianohacker | is glad to see people using C4::Service |
| 21:10 | aqualaptop | pianohacker: haha, i'm not actually using it, i just noticed that there could of been issues |
| 21:10 | was working for the catalyst academy at start of year, and did some koha patches | |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | aqualaptop++ # by association :) |
| 21:10 | aqualaptop | i think i made developer #199! |
| 21:10 | cait | aqua: you can also note in bugzilla using the depends field |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | very nice |
| 21:11 | aqualaptop | we gave #200 to a student, which I think is more fitting |
| 21:11 | cait: yup, I've done that now, just thought it would be nice if git bz does it automatically | |
| 21:11 | as that is what i used, and didn't even check the BZ page | |
| 21:12 | jcamins | aqualaptop: if you know how to update that, I think it would be a *great* enhancement. |
| 21:12 | Even if you don't know how to, it would be a great enhancement. | |
| 21:12 | aqualaptop | yeh, i think i did something similar back in jan, so can have a look at it |
| 21:12 | stormy weather patches ftw :D | |
| 21:13 | jcamins | :D |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | You have something in mind like automatically parsing a 'Depends:' line in the commit message? |
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| 21:14 | aqualaptop | could either parse the commit message, or take into account the git tree |
| 21:14 | for example, my git log --oneline --decorate --graph looks like this | |
| 21:14 | * 517ae9b (HEAD, bug_4439) bug 4439 Change some helper files to use C4::Service | |
| 21:14 | * 3ec0af6 (bug_9412) bug 9412 Add optional_params sub to C4::Service | |
| 21:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4439 minor, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , two acq webservices should use C4::Service |
| 21:14 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9412 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Failed QA , add optional_params to C4::Service | |
| 21:14 | aqualaptop | which shows deps |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | Hmmmm, parsing the git tree automatically could be tricky |
| 21:16 | aqualaptop | yeh, thinking a depends header/footer could be better |
| 21:16 | though it is possible with git commands | |
| 21:16 | find merge-base HEAD origin/master | |
| 21:16 | and log to that base | |
| 21:17 | and parse all those commit msg's | |
| 21:17 | and voila | |
| 21:19 | jcamins: can you point me to the latest git repo for git bz, and which branch, iirc there was a few to choose from back in january | |
| 21:20 | jcamins | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]-bz.git;a=summary - branch fishsoup |
| 21:20 | aqualaptop | git://git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git fishsoup is what i'm on atm |
| 21:20 | swt, i'm all good | |
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| 21:31 | cjh | hey aqualaptop |
| 21:31 | aqualaptop | yup, looks like i can do something similar to the patch complexities patch i pushed through |
| 21:31 | he cjh | |
| 21:31 | hey* rather | |
| 21:32 | btw, do ppl mind if i create a few *testing* bugs on the tracker to test git bz changes? | |
| 21:32 | jcamins | aqualaptop: not at all. Just give them subjects like "additional git-bz testing bug." |
| 21:32 | aqualaptop | awesomesauce |
| 21:33 | * aqualaptop | should really not use my laptop and actually sit at my desk xD |
| 21:33 | aqualaptop | eeepc, 7" edition :P |
| 21:33 | cait | good night all :) |
| 21:34 | aqualaptop | night |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | good night cait |
| 22:06 | adam_m | Hello, So I have ssl working on the administrator Koha webpage, but I notice that you cant seem to have them both doing it at once. what are the implications though of having the OPAC website not using SSL |
| 22:07 | I mean i guess you can have MITM | |
| 22:07 | jcamins | adam_m: it means anything transmitted between the client and server in the course of an OPAC session is transmitted in plaintext. |
| 22:08 | So, usernames, passwords, etc., can all be sniffed. | |
| 22:08 | adam_m | right ok yeah |
| 22:08 | thats what i figured. that shouldnt be too big of a deal. | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 22:08 | adam_m | im trying to keep this clean of any sort of student information anyways. should just be a username I choose for each person and whatever password they decide on |
| 22:09 | jcamins | Well... |
| 22:09 | unless you are using a centralized LDAP server. | |
| 22:09 | In which case it could be a very big deal. | |
| 22:10 | (because they would use their organization-wide username/password) | |
| 22:10 | adam_m | Im running a Samba4 but no we arent using SSO for anything. but that does make sense |
| 22:11 | in that case we don't want the usernames and passwords to be similar. damn ok well maybe I should put some work into getting the OPAC website as well. | |
| 22:11 | So far Koha is only visible on our domain though. | |
| 22:23 | aqualaptop | heh, forgot to change git bz password, locked my account for 20 min xD |
| 22:23 | also, "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account..." | |
| 22:24 | broken proxy setup? | |
| 22:24 | jcamins | Yikes. Yeah, looks like it. |
| 22:25 | @later tell rangi Could you please check the nginx configuration on bugs? aqualaptop got an error message saying "Your IP (127.0.0.1) has been locked out of this account," and presumably it should list his actual IP. | |
| 22:25 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:29 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: I will check sure |
| 22:29 | bag | hi wizzyrea |
| 22:30 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: thanks |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | pianohacker: [10:40:30.340] SyntaxError: missing } after property list @ http://devlibrary-intra.wizzyr[…]s/calendar.pl:198 |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | that's... odd. I'll take a look, thanks |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | let me install firebug - that was the output from the firefox native debugger |
| 22:45 | I think you have a quote mismatch in a string | |
| 22:46 | new year's day | |
| 22:46 | firebug is a lot more helpful | |
| 22:46 | or an unescaped one I mean | |
| 22:46 | pianohacker ^ | |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | that would explain it! Thanks |
| 22:48 | that's what I get for bypassing the sample holidays :) | |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | I admit to not looking at the actual patch, I probably could have fixed that one for you :) |
| 22:48 | hehe | |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | is there a TT way of doing JS-escaping? |
| 22:49 | jcamins | pianohacker: all translatable strings should be in double quotes, which should resolve the problem. |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 22:49 | jcamins | (unless you also have double quotes in that string, in which case you'll need to manually escape the double quotes. |
| 22:49 | *) | |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | jcamins: Not translatable, generated from the database and stored in a JS object for use in client-side stuff |
| 22:51 | jcamins | pianohacker: oh. |
| 22:51 | hmmm. | |
| 22:51 | I'm not sure. | |
| 22:51 | The docs have a list of all the built-in filters, though. | |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | yeah, nothin' for javascript |
| 22:54 | the choice then is writing our own tiny filter, like KohaDates, or adding a dependency on Template::Plugin::JavaScript | |
| 22:54 | jcamins | I prefer the latter. |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | 'tis cleaner, I agree |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt: any opinion? | |
| 22:55 | always best to check with RM :) | |
| 22:58 | ah, and it has a debian package. lovely | |
| 23:29 | aqualaptop | jcamins: http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/fef44f one fixme, but you can test with bug 10545 |
| 23:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10545 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , additional test for git bz |
| 23:29 | aqualaptop | works apart from that |
| 23:29 | * aqualaptop | goes for walk to collect car |
| 23:30 | jcamins | aqualaptop: if you want to send it to me as a git patch I can push it. |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | bye, #koha, have a good weekend |
| 23:33 | gmcharlt | @later tell pianohacker Template::Plugin::JavaScript looks preferable to me, too |
| 23:33 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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