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| 00:00 | wizzyrea | also, if you happen to break the bulb, or it comes out |
| 00:00 | you can use a potato to twist the bulb out | |
| 00:00 | just cram the potato on the broken bit | |
| 00:00 | jcamins | wizzyrea: smart! That's my new backup plan. |
| 00:00 | dcook | Potatos! |
| 00:00 | tcohen | tongs |
| 00:00 | * druthb | has used the potato trick. :) |
| 00:00 | wizzyrea | zzzzap |
| 00:01 | jcamins | Actually, I think that might be my first plan. |
| 00:01 | * dcook | would probably turn off the electricity in any case |
| 00:01 | dcook | Although slight electrical shocks are...interesting |
| 00:02 | To Australia's credit, this whole putting switches on electrical outlets...pretty smrat | |
| 00:02 | smart even... | |
| 00:02 | I think they do it in Europe as well.. | |
| 00:02 | Means fewer accidental shocks. That's for sure. | |
| 00:02 | druthb | India and Jordan both do, too. 'course, both of them are running at 220VAC, too. |
| 00:03 | get hit by that, it hurts *lots* | |
| 00:04 | jcamins | Success! |
| 00:04 | wahanui | success is a good thing jenkins |
| 00:05 | jcamins | Out of curiosity, what on earth is it that they put in those lightbulbs? |
| 00:06 | (the metal leaf that's coating everything) | |
| 00:07 | dcook | Metal leaf? |
| 00:07 | For the base? | |
| 00:07 | druthb | compact fluorescents contain mercury, IIRC |
| 00:07 | jcamins | Yeah. Never seen it on another bulb. |
| 00:07 | druthb: this was an incandescent. | |
| 00:07 | druthb | That's odd. |
| 00:07 | dcook | Hmm, no idea what you're talking about? |
| 00:07 | Pics or it didn't happen | |
| 00:07 | jcamins | It sure looked like mercury, though. |
| 00:08 | dcook: having laboriously gotten it into a trash bag, I'm not inclined to run the risk of getting all over everything again. | |
| 00:08 | * tcohen | heads to the kitchen: crab raviolis almost cooked |
| 00:08 | tcohen | bye #koha! |
| 00:08 | dcook | Touché |
| 00:08 | Seee ya, tcohenn | |
| 00:08 | tcohen* | |
| 00:08 | tcohen | bye dcook |
| 00:08 | dcook | Mmm ravioli... |
| 00:09 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 00:09 | Project Koha_3.12.x build #62: FIXED in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/62/ | |
| 00:09 | tcohen | that's great :-D |
| 00:09 | dcook | lol |
| 00:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #328 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #325 9 days 23 hr ago) |
| 00:10 | wizzyrea | mercury would be either gaseous or liquid at room temp |
| 00:10 | if under pressure, gaseous (as in a bulb) | |
| 00:10 | or ... i'm feeling wrong | |
| 00:10 | * cjh | double checks channel |
| 00:10 | wizzyrea | I think it would be liquid at room temp |
| 00:10 | kek | |
| 00:11 | druthb | no, you're right, wizzyrea. It should be liquid at room temp, at normal atmosphere. |
| 00:11 | * wizzyrea | had a look at sirsi enterprise today |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | it does some neat things, and some utterly nonsensical things |
| 00:11 | druthb | Take a shower afterward? Decontaminate? |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | well I know it would be liquid at room temp, not sure about in a bulb |
| 00:13 | jcamins | druthb: yeah, guess I won't be eating dinner just yet. |
| 00:13 | druthb | Not you, jcamins. Wizzyrea...after dealing with SirsiDynix, I've always felt really dirty and wrong. |
| 00:13 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:13 | I just checked. It is definitely an incandescent bulb. | |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | jcamins - I'd vent your apartment |
| 00:15 | but if it's flakes it's probably not mercury | |
| 00:15 | jcamins | wizzyrea: mercury is definitely not an ingredient in incandescent bulbs, though. |
| 00:15 | wizzyrea | definitely not. |
| 00:15 | it's in the CFL's tho | |
| 00:15 | so, in case you were wondering | |
| 00:16 | jcamins | Yeah, but the CFL is fine. |
| 00:16 | wizzyrea | decontamination = bag the clothes, vent the area, take a shower |
| 00:16 | (for mercury) | |
| 00:16 | http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/m[…]asp?id=106&tid=24 | |
| 00:51 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 00:51 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #328: FIXED in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/328/ | |
| 00:54 | Starting build #1284 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 4 days 23 hr ago) | |
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| 01:09 | dcook | First thought "Canadian Football League" when I saw CFL... |
| 01:12 | wizzyrea | stuff |
| 01:12 | dcook | stuff? |
| 01:12 | wahanui | stuff is probably working quite well... ... But not ready for production at the moment. or in xslt |
| 01:15 | mtompset | Compact Flour... whatever... Lightbulb. |
| 01:16 | dcook | fluorescent? |
| 01:16 | mtompset | But yes, if you didn't catch the context, that was a reasonable assumption, dcook. ;) |
| 01:16 | yes, but I didn't want to look up the spelling. :P | |
| 01:16 | dcook | If you just think about it as flourescent but remember that the u comes before the o, you're pretty good to go |
| 01:17 | I find it interesting that we're tempted to write flourescent...but we stop after flour because something seems wrong | |
| 01:17 | But we assume it's with the rest when it's actually the position of the U and the O | |
| 01:17 | Words are interesting... | |
| 01:51 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9987: DBRev 3.13.00.009 - remove acqorders.biblioitemnumber <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e6195d4fd67f00480> |
| 02:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1284: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1284/ |
| 02:11 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 9987: Remove DB field aqorders.biblioitemnunmber | |
| 02:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , biblioitemnumber is useless for orders. |
| 02:17 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1285 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 5 days 1 hr ago) |
| 02:49 | gmcharlt | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]anagers-update-1/ |
| 02:49 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:51 | rangi | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:55 | dcook | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:56 | mtompset | gmcharlt++ |
| 03:02 | @quote random | |
| 03:02 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) |
| 03:03 | mtompset | @quote add gmcharlt: I like patches that remove dead code almost as much as I like cookies. |
| 03:03 | huginn | mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 03:04 | mtompset | @quote add gmcharlt: I like patches that remove dead code almost as much as I like cookies. |
| 03:04 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #267 added. |
| 03:04 | * gmcharlt | was very careful to word it that way for fear that nobody would ever give me cookies again if I sounded too enthusiastic about dead code removal ;) |
| 03:05 | * mtompset | laughs, "Totally understandable." |
| 03:18 | dcook | Hmmm, how do fines get generated? |
| 03:18 | fines.pl? | |
| 03:19 | I swear that I have an overdue item, but if I run fines.pl, it doesn't increment... | |
| 03:19 | Note, this is 3.8.0 | |
| 03:19 | I thought it was related to the bugs that Galen cites but I'm starting to think it's not... | |
| 03:19 | rangi | theres a syspref |
| 03:19 | finesmode | |
| 03:19 | check that | |
| 03:19 | dcook | finesMode? |
| 03:19 | Yeah, alreayd have :/ | |
| 03:19 | already* | |
| 03:19 | Calculate and charge | |
| 03:20 | rangi | and your rules? |
| 03:20 | for overdues | |
| 03:20 | dcook | ... |
| 03:20 | rangi | under tools |
| 03:20 | dcook | That would probably do it |
| 03:20 | Under tools? | |
| 03:20 | rangi | and circ rules |
| 03:20 | (one for notices one for fines) | |
| 03:20 | dcook | Mmm |
| 03:20 | rangi | circrules has the fines |
| 03:21 | bearing in mind it has to match | |
| 03:21 | so if your rule is 1 day, and 1 day increments | |
| 03:21 | then it shojld match pretty much everything | |
| 03:21 | but if its 3 days, and 3 day increments | |
| 03:21 | it will only increment on hte 3rd (or 4th i forge) then 6 or 7th etc | |
| 03:22 | forget even | |
| 03:22 | dcook | Nice |
| 03:22 | Thanks, rangi :) | |
| 03:22 | And with pre-patched 3.8, it'll also add fines on check-in | |
| 03:22 | Hence the need for your patch | |
| 03:22 | rangi | yup |
| 03:23 | dcook | rangi++ |
| 03:23 | Thanks heaps :) | |
| 03:23 | rangi | no worries |
| 03:24 | dcook | I have the feeling the problem someone has raised likely has to do with their fines rules then.. |
| 03:24 | circ rules even | |
| 03:25 | Hmm...they look ok too...not sure | |
| 03:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1285: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1285/ |
| 03:31 | Galen Charlton: Bug 9987: DBRev 3.13.00.009 - remove acqorders.biblioitemnumber | |
| 03:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , biblioitemnumber is useless for orders. |
| 03:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1286 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 5 days 2 hr ago) |
| 04:15 | Irma1 left #koha | |
| 04:29 | dcook | gmcharlt: "I was release manager for Koha 3.12." ? |
| 04:32 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
| 04:44 | gmcharlt | 3.2, 3.12 .... both still not quite pi yet ;) |
| 04:44 | dcook: thanks for finding the typo | |
| 04:47 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1286: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1286/ |
| 04:53 | dcook | No worries :) |
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| 05:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1287 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1274 5 days 4 hr ago) |
| 05:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9987: remove reference to biblioitemnumber from test case <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]076fe68303313da90> |
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| 06:02 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 06:16 | dcook | Yay for master using jquery v1.7.2! |
| 06:16 | Boo for 3.8 being on v1.3.2... | |
| 06:21 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:21 | dcook | Hey ya magnuse |
| 06:22 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:25 | wassup?!? | |
| 06:27 | * magnuse | thinks he will probably upgrade his customers to 3.12.1 tonight |
| 06:27 | dcook | Nice one! |
| 06:27 | I'm going...to have pretzels and beer tonight :) | |
| 06:28 | * magnuse | would rather upgrade koha than drink beer ;-) |
| 06:29 | dcook | :O |
| 06:29 | magnuse | (not because of the alcohol, but because of the awful taste) |
| 06:29 | dcook | O_O |
| 06:29 | * cait | is with magnuse on that |
| 06:29 | magnuse | yay cait! |
| 06:30 | cait | we will have an update party with cookies and pretzels and dcook can get beer :) |
| 06:30 | dcook | Shattering my preconceived notions of Norway and Germany here! |
| 06:30 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 06:30 | Project Koha_master build #1287: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1287/ | |
| 06:30 | Galen Charlton: Bug 9987: remove reference to biblioitemnumber from test case | |
| 06:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9987 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , biblioitemnumber is useless for orders. |
| 06:30 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 06:30 | seems i can't stop giving our RM karma | |
| 06:30 | i have a bit of a weird patch coming up... someone want to volunteer to review? | |
| 06:30 | might take a bit longer, but it will be on bug 10519 | |
| 06:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10519 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken |
| 06:32 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:32 | magnuse | dcook: we might not be representative :-) |
| 06:32 | gmcharlt++ | |
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| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | cait | ok |
| 06:45 | 10519 ready for testing :) | |
| 06:45 | i am not overly confident about this... but it seems to make it work better | |
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| 06:53 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:57 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 06:57 | magnuse | moin drojf and reiveune |
| 06:58 | drojf | hi dcook and magnuse |
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| 07:01 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:01 | magnuse | bonjour asaurat |
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| 07:05 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:06 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:06 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 20.6°C (8:43 AM CEST on July 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:26 | magnuse | bonjour kenza christophe_c sophie_m |
| 07:26 | sophie_m | hello magnuse and #koha |
| 07:26 | * magnuse | wonders if renewing his I-name is worth it |
| 07:26 | christophe_c | bonjour magnuse ;-) |
| 07:26 | kenza | hello! |
| 07:27 | magnuse | welcome to #koha kenza! |
| 07:29 | kenza | :) |
| 07:29 | magnuse | first time here, i think? |
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| 07:30 | kenza | yes! |
| 07:30 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:35 | yes, our bug queues are too long, but having 158 bugs signed off in june is still pretty awesome | |
| 07:36 | sophie_m | magnuse: kenza is trainee at BibLibre |
| 07:37 | rangi | 190 to needs signoff, it just means lots and lots of work is being done |
| 07:38 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:39 | sophie_m: i know, and that is awesome! :-) | |
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| 07:43 | magnuse | 116 bugs are "in discussion" |
| 07:43 | wb kf | |
| 07:43 | kf | :) |
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| 07:49 | magnuse | gmcharlt++ for 3.14 RM update #1 |
| 07:50 | kf | gmcharlt++ for his blog tutorial too :) |
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| 07:52 | * magnuse | thinks "in discussion" might not be serving it's puropse |
| 07:53 | drojf | i think it is more a "nothing to sign off here atm" |
| 07:55 | magnuse | yeah, but i also have a feeling it is a place where bugs go to die in silence... |
| 07:57 | rangi | thats only if the person who wrote the patch doesnt care enough .. in which case they should die |
| 07:57 | imho | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | yeah, that might be tru |
| 07:59 | e | |
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| 08:00 | rangi | in more positive news, jenkins now has 2 extra nodes to use |
| 08:00 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:00 | rangi | one in tokyo (galen's) and bernardo's (in argentina) |
| 08:01 | magnuse | what does that translate to? faster testing? |
| 08:02 | rangi | yep and more |
| 08:02 | kf | nice!! |
| 08:02 | maybe some nice news for the newsletter/koha blog too? | |
| 08:02 | rangi | eg |
| 08:02 | kf | showing once again that koha has a strong international community :) |
| 08:02 | rangi | we could have one of those nodes running maria |
| 08:02 | then the unit tests would be running against mysql and maria | |
| 08:03 | kf | :) |
| 08:03 | magnuse | kewl! |
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| 08:13 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:13 | i am running into some really awful zebra related RTL problems here | |
| 08:14 | kf | gaetan_B: what's the problem? |
| 08:14 | wahanui | well, the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 08:14 | drojf | lol wahanui |
| 08:15 | magnuse | lol |
| 08:15 | gaetan_B | wahanui: you have a point here |
| 08:15 | wahanui | gaetan_B: what? |
| 08:15 | gaetan_B | well |
| 08:15 | they have entered quite a few titles in RTL languages so far | |
| 08:15 | and it was all fine and nice | |
| 08:15 | but just this one title | |
| 08:16 | has two words with a space in between | |
| 08:16 | (we have had titles with this structure and no problems) | |
| 08:16 | drojf | what does it do? |
| 08:16 | or not do | |
| 08:17 | gaetan_B | and it shows up in the search results with the two words in the wrong order |
| 08:17 | also if you search | |
| 08:17 | you need to enter them in the wrong order to get the right result | |
| 08:17 | but in the detailed view | |
| 08:17 | it shows in the right order | |
| 08:17 | say if the title was "funny stuff" | |
| 08:17 | you have to search "stuff funny" | |
| 08:18 | and in the search results looking up funny would bring you "stuff funny" in the results list | |
| 08:18 | and looking at the detailed record | |
| 08:18 | magnuse | i *think* the data in the result list comes from zebra, and the data in the detail view comes from the MARC in the database? |
| 08:18 | gaetan_B | you would see the proper title "funny stuff" |
| 08:18 | it does look like it | |
| 08:18 | which means zebra does some pretty evil voodoo with RTL languages | |
| 08:19 | drojf | but only in one case?! |
| 08:19 | gaetan_B | drojf: yes and also systematically reproductible with this words in this order |
| 08:19 | magnuse | weird! |
| 08:19 | gaetan_B | but the same words in another sentence might not give you any trouble |
| 08:20 | kf | ugh. |
| 08:20 | drojf | the zebra is a strange animal :/ |
| 08:21 | out of curiosity, what are the words? | |
| 08:21 | gaetan_B | kf: someone here told me "but it's very easy someone in germany told us we only have to set it to RTL and everything will be fine!" i hope it wasn't you :D |
| 08:22 | زانست وسه رده م | |
| 08:22 | drojf: ^^ | |
| 08:22 | drojf | also, why does the search results take the title from zebra and not from the marc recordß? |
| 08:22 | kf | gaetan_B: more likely the library they visited |
| 08:22 | gaetan_B | yes i am only kidding |
| 08:22 | magnuse | drojf: probably because it would be slower? |
| 08:22 | gaetan_B | they were probably not talking about zebra anyway |
| 08:22 | kf | gaetan_B: but i have never heard of something like this from the library with hebrew records. |
| 08:22 | gaetan_B | it seems to be super specific |
| 08:23 | it could also be a system problem | |
| 08:23 | because we had a whole lot of records that zebra refused to index | |
| 08:23 | on our migration instance | |
| 08:23 | drojf | where do you have to set it to rtl? i don't think i did that when i tested icu and it looked ok by default |
| 08:24 | gaetan_B | when we sent everything to their production instance (which we installed ourselves, so it's a regular French debian like the other should be) these problems almost vanished |
| 08:24 | drojf: i was sort of joking, i don't think there's any rtl setting for zebra | |
| 08:24 | kf | i think the only thing you need for sure is icu |
| 08:24 | drojf | ha you really got me confused there :D |
| 08:24 | kf | then it 'should' work |
| 08:25 | gaetan_B | drojf: :D that's ok this problem should confuse pretty much any sane person |
| 08:25 | it is icu, but that's not enough it seems | |
| 08:26 | kf | maybe try the mailing list? haven't seen karam in a while, but he might know |
| 08:26 | drojf | gaetan_B: there would not be any strange ligature/replacement settings in the icu configuration? have you tried without anything in there? |
| 08:31 | gaetan_B | i have addes what karam added on the wiki |
| 08:32 | that's the only thing i have here | |
| 08:32 | i don't see how this would invert word oder though | |
| 08:32 | but i don't understand this very well | |
| 08:32 | drojf | i'd try it without any of those just to make sure. it may not even be the rules but a bug in there, who knows |
| 08:33 | but it's something that zebra definitely uses to manipulate the indexes | |
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| 08:37 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 08:37 | eythian | g'day |
| 08:37 | magnuse | nice time to show up for work! ;-) |
| 08:38 | eythian | it's a bit weird, yeah :) |
| 08:38 | kf | heh |
| 08:38 | 9:40? :) | |
| 08:39 | magnuse | 10:40 here |
| 08:39 | eythian | yeah, 9.40 |
| 08:39 | magnuse | ah, england |
| 08:40 | eythian | merry old, yep. |
| 08:40 | magnuse | is there a way to make it so that only one patron category is able to check out a given item type? |
| 08:41 | i thought adding a sepecific rule in "Circulation and fines rules" for Patron category = x and Item type = y would do it, but it seems i got that wrong... | |
| 08:44 | do i have to set "Current checkouts allowed" = 0 for all the other Patron categories, for this Item type? | |
| 08:45 | eythian | that would seem like it could do it. |
| 08:46 | but I don't think I've ever tried this. | |
| 08:48 | magnuse | yeah, i think that must be it |
| 08:51 | kf | magnuse: that should work yes |
| 08:53 | magnuse | thanks |
| 08:53 | not 100% elegant, but it seems to work | |
| 08:53 | :-) | |
| 09:00 | drojf | gaetan_B: fwiw i copied your title and put it in a record, it looks the same to me in results and detail view |
| 09:01 | kf | os it works after recataloging it? |
| 09:01 | drojf | what do you mean? change the record? |
| 09:04 | * drojf | has to leave. see you later |
| 09:04 | kf | bye drojf |
| 09:09 | eythian | wahanui: facepalm is a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
| 09:09 | wahanui | ...but facepalm is <reply>http://buikitty.files.wordpres[…]120202-094434.jpg... |
| 09:10 | eythian | wahanui: facepalm is also a tiny member of the Arecaceae family whose preference for warm, humid environments makes it a perfect choice for cultivation in the human nasal cavity. |
| 09:10 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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| 09:22 | magnuse | hiya connordewar |
| 09:22 | connordewar | hi magnus |
| 09:25 | eythian | http://awfullibrarybooks.net/the-final-frontier/ <-- this is excellent |
| 09:28 | connordewar | @rangi are you about? |
| 09:28 | huginn | connordewar: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:28 | kf | hi connordewar :) |
| 09:29 | connordewar | hello kf |
| 09:29 | magnuse | eythian: that blog inspired a norwegian blog: https://trangtihylla.wordpress.com/ |
| 09:31 | eythian | connordewar: I wouldn't be too surprised if he wasn't. Anything I can help with? |
| 09:32 | magnuse: I'm reduced to judging them by their terrible covers :) | |
| 09:32 | connordewar | hi eythian well I was going to ask him about seeing if I could tag along with the python team or something at catslyst these school holidays. |
| 09:32 | magnuse | eythian: yeah, even that should be good for a few laughs :-) |
| 09:33 | python?!? ewww ;-) | |
| 09:33 | eythian | connordewar: ah, nice. |
| 09:34 | connordewar | nothing wrong with python! im now dabbling in some c++ |
| 09:34 | eythian | connordewar: I'd email iancatalyst.net.nz, he runs our academy stuff, he might have some ideas too. |
| 09:35 | connordewar | good idea thanks! |
| 09:35 | eythian | Of course, I think you'd be better off doing Perl, but I'm biased ;) |
| 09:36 | connordewar | c++ has alot of game possibiltys though thats my freetime project |
| 09:37 | eythian | then you should perhaps also look into pygame. |
| 09:37 | connordewar | iv already had alot of fun with pygame but wasnt happy with the speed :) |
| 09:38 | eythian | heh OK |
| 09:39 | connordewar | I still dont see why theres such an anti python attitude |
| 09:40 | eythian | Because it's an upstart trying to take over the areas that Perl does perfectly well, and we use perl :) |
| 09:40 | magnuse | because it's not perl :-) |
| 09:41 | connordewar | ahh I did help with some koha unit tests and the perl was very pretty code |
| 09:41 | magnuse | nah, i really don't care, honestly |
| 09:42 | as long as you have fun! | |
| 09:42 | mtj | hey connor, fwiw, i've been meaning to have a poke at love2d for games |
| 09:42 | https://love2d.org/ | |
| 09:43 | connordewar | is it a python library? |
| 09:43 | eythian | lua |
| 09:44 | mtj | it uses sdl as well, but ive heard its fast and lean |
| 09:45 | website has some nice demos, too :) | |
| 09:45 | connordewar | looks nice iv only played with lua on a mod for minecraft |
| 09:46 | eythian | I think lua is pretty popular for game scripting environments. Never used it myself, but see it around a bit. |
| 09:47 | mtj | i think its a good middle-ground between pygame and native c, for game stuff |
| 09:47 | magnuse | LÖVE - is that a heavy metal umlaut? :-) |
| 09:49 | eythian | of course it is, why else would you have an umlaut? |
| 09:50 | connordewar | oh yeah I might have a play! always good to play with another language |
| 09:51 | magnuse | eythian: dunno, ask kf |
| 09:52 | kf | ? |
| 09:53 | connordewar | well im off . goodbye all |
| 09:53 | eythian | later |
| 09:56 | mtj | connordewar, keep us posted, aye :) |
| 10:03 | kf | hm i think Now() is a mysqlismß |
| 10:03 | ? | |
| 10:04 | mtj | kf, yeah i think so |
| 10:04 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ent-of-mysqls-now | |
| 10:05 | 'You can also use CURRENT_TIMESTAMP, if you feel like being more ANSI compliant' ? | |
| 10:05 | kf | wondering abu bug 8367 |
| 10:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , How long is a hold waiting for pickup at a more granular level |
| 10:08 | mtj | aaah, interesting ... |
| 10:08 | CURRENT_TIMESTAMP(), CURRENT_TIMESTAMPSynonyms for NOW() | |
| 10:08 | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]me-functions.html | |
| 10:08 | kf, so yeah… you are correct :) | |
| 10:09 | kf | so are we sure current_timestamp is safe? :) |
| 10:11 | mtj | yeah, i think so… its a synonym of now() - but ANSI compliant |
| 10:11 | kf | ah, that should be an easy one then |
| 10:20 | mtj | hey, that would be a good sub-bug, under 'removing mysqlisms' |
| 10:26 | i didnt really know this until now, but… i guess what we are aiming for is ISO/IEC spec SQL, for Koha | |
| 10:26 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL:2011 | |
| 10:29 | all very interesting stuff, that i know very little about :o) | |
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| 10:36 | viktorsarge_ | (test) |
| 10:36 | kf | hi viktorsarge_ |
| 10:36 | viktorsarge_ | Hi kf |
| 10:36 | Just trying to get my regular nick :) | |
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| 10:36 | viktorsarge_ | Hi drojf |
| 10:37 | Viktor | (thats better) |
| 10:42 | Update from our translators btw - Swedish should be done by end of july/during august. | |
| 10:42 | kf | khall: around? |
| 10:43 | Viktor | But what functions does the file pref.po have? |
| 10:45 | kf | it translates the system preferences |
| 10:46 | in administration | |
| 10:46 | make sure to take a look at an existing translation before - you have to leave out the comments at the beginnings of each entry in your translation to make it work right | |
| 10:46 | Viktor | Thanks kf |
| 10:46 | gaetan_B | in marc21 which fields are mandatory for Koha to properly generate an authority ? it seems just filling the $a is not enough |
| 10:47 | Viktor | Guess we'll have to do that too, but I'll save it for last. |
| 10:47 | kf | it's depending on your configuration too if koha will add an authority |
| 10:47 | Viktor: that sounds reasonable :) | |
| 10:48 | Viktor | gaetan_B no idea - sorry :/ |
| 10:48 | eythian | gaetan_B: I would have expected $a to be it |
| 10:49 | gaetan_B | hmm configuration is ok, maybbe there is a bug in 3.10.04 then, because even with the default framework i am having troubles now |
| 10:49 | and bigger troubles than with my custom framework at that :D | |
| 10:50 | jcamins | kf: I did think it, yes. |
| 10:50 | *fix it | |
| 10:51 | gaetan_B | never mind, i was wrong the default framework is fine |
| 10:51 | jcamins | I'll split it into a separate patch. |
| 10:55 | kf | gaetan_B: why using 3.10 for them? |
| 10:56 | gaetan_B: there was a ton of work for RTL display in 3.12 | |
| 10:56 | gaetan_B | because that's what was available when we did the install |
| 10:56 | i'll see if i can update the code before leaving indeed | |
| 10:56 | but we we applied the patches actually | |
| 10:56 | kf | ah ok |
| 10:56 | gaetan_B | it's still far from perfect |
| 10:56 | and | |
| 10:57 | it seems the arabic translation is just a google translate of the interface | |
| 10:57 | at least that's what they were saying | |
| 10:57 | kf | oh? |
| 10:57 | that's weird | |
| 10:57 | jcamins | gaetan_B: you know that 3.10 was never translated to Arabic at all, right? |
| 10:58 | gaetan_B | err |
| 10:58 | there are files on pootle though | |
| 10:58 | jcamins | It has translations that were copied from 3.8 and 3.12, but my understanding was that Karam didn't translate 3.10 since it didn't play nicely with RTL. |
| 10:58 | gaetan_B | and they seem to indicate it had been translated |
| 10:58 | oh ok | |
| 10:59 | that would explain what they saw | |
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| 11:11 | gaetan_B | all documents have "books" in the detailed display whatever their document type is, is it a bug in the default marc21 xslt ? |
| 11:13 | jcamins | No. That is a result of the LEADER not being set correctly. |
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| 11:13 | jcamins | @marc leader |
| 11:13 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag leader |
| 11:13 | eythian | the leader is never set correctly. |
| 11:13 | jcamins | eythian: you have a point there. |
| 11:13 | eythian | many of our libraries have that turned off. I think there might be a syspref for it. |
| 11:13 | jcamins | OpacIconsXSLT. |
| 11:14 | magnuse | #marcmustdie |
| 11:14 | eythian | magnuse: there's no one in that channel...? |
| 11:15 | magnuse | yeah, it's just a twitter habit to prefix with a #... |
| 11:16 | gaetan_B | jcamins: aaah ok, that's a good explanation |
| 11:17 | i don't really want them to get a headache with ideas such as encoded fields though | |
| 11:18 | i'll just set this syspref off then, thanks eythian and jcamins :) | |
| 11:18 | kf | eythian: our libraries are all using it :D |
| 11:19 | eythian: one of the advantages of the union catalog... I think it's mandatory there | |
| 11:19 | eythian | kf: for many library types, it simply doesn't make sense even when used correctly. |
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| 11:19 | eythian | For many others, especially when converted from a system that had no concept of marc types, it's just plain wrong. |
| 11:19 | kf | eythian: I think some things like distinguishing beween serials and monographs make a lot of sense |
| 11:19 | because you can also use it to limit your search | |
| 11:19 | eythian | yeah, but users don't care. |
| 11:20 | (usually) | |
| 11:20 | and when it's misleading, it does more harm than good. | |
| 11:21 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:33 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10428: undefined check in add additem.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]30c8a87c8cfebe472> / Bug 10488: Followup replacing DELETEs by more restricted INSERTs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0a5ba2d869f1966bf> / Bug 10488 - New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-defau... <http://gi |
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| 11:41 | gaetan_B | coming back later... |
| 11:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1288 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 11:59 | * drojf | yawns |
| 12:00 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 12:00 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 28.1°C (1:43 PM CEST on July 03, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:00 | oleonard | It's siesta time drojf |
| 12:00 | drojf | paid siesta time? :) |
| 12:01 | * oleonard | wishes |
| 12:03 | drojf | hej Viktor. that's great about the swedish translation |
| 12:03 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:03 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 15.0°C (1:50 PM CEST on July 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:03 | drojf | can somebody recommend a video projector for office use? |
| 12:04 | Viktor | drojf Yes - good to finally get it done (even if it's to early to celebrate just yet). |
| 12:05 | marcelr | oleonard: hi! can i still ask you to have a look at the shared lists stuff :) ? |
| 12:05 | drojf | looks like projectors nowadays are only sold as "3d ready" and other things that i don't care about at all |
| 12:05 | marcelr | hi drojf |
| 12:05 | drojf | hi marcelr |
| 12:05 | oleonard | marcelr: Yes. Is there something in particular, or are you just hoping to get it signed off? |
| 12:05 | magnuse | 3d-- = 2d ;- ) |
| 12:05 | Viktor | Hei magnuse |
| 12:06 | marcelr | oleonard: just curious if you have a reason not to sign off perhaps? |
| 12:06 | jcamins | drojf: ooh, thanks for reminding me. |
| 12:06 | oleonard | marcelr: Last time I looked it was working well, but I didn't have time to test enough for a signoff. |
| 12:06 | marcelr | ok |
| 12:06 | jcamins | I need to arrange for a projector. |
| 12:06 | drojf | yay, i'm useful :) |
| 12:10 | magnuse | heia Viktor |
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| 12:45 | marcelr | Joubu++ for diligent testing |
| 12:46 | oleonard | Indeed. |
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| 12:55 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1288: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1288/ |
| 12:55 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10488 - New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-default frameworks | |
| 12:55 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10488: Followup replacing DELETEs by more restricted INSERTs | |
| 12:55 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10428: undefined check in add additem.pl | |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-default frameworks |
| 12:55 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10428 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , undefined check in add additem.pl | |
| 12:59 | magnuse | success! \o/ |
| 13:02 | tcohen | morning #koiha |
| 13:02 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
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| 14:10 | marcelr | no bgkriegel here? |
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| 14:32 | rambutan | whatever did we do in the days before translate.google.com? |
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| 14:38 | marcelr | not translate? |
| 14:43 | drojf | open a printed dictionary? a so-called 'book'. weird stuff, made from dead trees |
| 14:43 | rambutan | or some people (me?) would have dug up a language dictionary and painstakingly translated every word, hoping to get the gist of the message |
| 14:44 | but the language dictionaries don't help with the grammar | |
| 14:45 | drojf | there are printed grammars too. nothing wrong with a few hours of language learning fun to translate a sentence ;) |
| 14:46 | rambutan | and in some languages, Korean for one, only the verb stems are listed in the dictionary, in actual use verbs get completley mangled and for a non-speaker of the language there's no way to get the meaning |
| 14:49 | drojf | take some evening classes in korean then if you need to translate a sentence. or ask a native speaker :D |
| 14:50 | rambutan | well, I speak korean, although not perfectly certainly. Even have a degree in interpreting and translating Korean. |
| 14:50 | drojf | cool |
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| 15:04 | drojf | "Network Setting by Using an HTTP Browser ... Please be sure to use'Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0' or a higher version for the web browser." |
| 15:05 | eythian | at least you're not using a gopher browser! |
| 15:05 | drojf | lol. this NEC projector gets deleted from the list for that entry in the manual |
| 15:06 | eythian | sounds reasonable |
| 15:12 | drojf | unfortunately i should delete the acer projectors too, for bullshit bingo reasons. acer eview/etimer/epower/e3d management; ColorBoost II+, DLP™ BrilliantColor™ DarkChip™ |
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| 15:13 | drojf | and the user menu makes me aggressive just by looking at it in the manual |
| 15:14 | eythian | heh |
| 15:16 | kf | drojf: what are you doing? |
| 15:17 | drojf | project wants to buy a non-expensive video projector for meetings |
| 15:17 | kf | aah |
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| 15:20 | drojf | from the projector use i have seen here i'd guess nobody will ever use the menu, they just place the thing somewhere, focus it a little and maybe put a few books under it to get the picture higher up the wall. so why should i care... |
| 15:22 | eythian | yeah, all it needs is a button for power and focus. Bonus points if the remote has a laser pointer. |
| 15:26 | heh | |
| 15:26 | druthb | o/ |
| 15:26 | <—sitting in the back of the room while her boss is interviewing a candidate for a peer position. | |
| 15:27 | drojf | i bet the candidate is happy s/he got some audience ;) |
| 15:28 | druthb | nope. It's a firing squad interview. |
| 15:28 | He's clearly rattled. | |
| 15:29 | He holds an MS in CompSci, ink still wet. Nice guy. | |
| 15:29 | polyglot, which we need. | |
| 15:29 | eythian | oh, that's a terrible way to interview. |
| 15:30 | oleonard | What is a "peer position?" |
| 15:30 | druthb | It's a pretty evil trick, yes. But what we do is that one presents whiteboard problems, and he solves 'em, may ask any of us for resources. |
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| 15:31 | eythian | well, it's not that it's an evil trick, it's that it's an ineffective method that sets up a threatening or at least stressful environment, meaning that you don't get to see what the person is actually like in real life. |
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| 15:36 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:36 | drojf | eythian: for some reason interviewers often don't care about what you are like, just what you do under stress. which leads me to believe they see the positions they want to fill as permanent stress situations |
| 15:36 | druthb | I'm not entirely sure there's *any* interview method that lets you see what they're really like. Given that we're throwing programming problems, which is What We Do Here, and asking him to think out loud, which we do a *lot* here, we get to see if he can do that. :) |
| 15:37 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf druthb. |
| 15:37 | druthb: Talking about the grilling you will be giving soon? ;) | |
| 15:37 | druthb | He's settling down now, doing some good thinking; his initial solution to one problem was not the most efficient, but it was sound, and he immediately spotted improvements. |
| 15:38 | mtompset: the one we're giving now. :) | |
| 15:38 | smeagol | Hello everyone. I have a conundrum. When I install debian squeeze, i get many gpf's, crashes, etc when i never did before. But when i install Wheezy, i get this error. failed: Network is unreachable. gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found: Does this mean that the server is down, or there's no package for Wheezy yet for zebra? |
| 15:38 | eythian | sure, it's hard to get a realistic view on a person, but there are better ways than picking a known-bad method. You're testing a person under a totally different form of stress to what they'd normally have, too. |
| 15:38 | smeagol: gpf? | |
| 15:39 | You didn't install windows by accident, did you? :) | |
| 15:39 | mtompset | general protection faults? |
| 15:39 | eythian | mtompset: linux doesn't tend to have those :) |
| 15:39 | smeagol | no, that's what it said. |
| 15:39 | drojf | green plastic frogs |
| 15:39 | mtompset | eythian: I know. Unless you aim to do something stupid like intentionally try to write to null pointers and other stupid things. |
| 15:40 | eythian | mtompset: that's a segmentation fault |
| 15:40 | mtompset | from an end-user perspective, they are the same. :P |
| 15:40 | eythian | mtompset: no, because they have a different message and occur in different places. |
| 15:40 | mtompset | smeagol: Are you sure your hardware isn't failing? |
| 15:41 | eythian | now, if it's something like: |
| 15:41 | general protection fault: 0000 [#12] SMP | |
| 15:41 | CPU 1 | |
| 15:41 | smeagol | eythian: that's IT |
| 15:41 | eythian | Modules linked in: btrfs zlib_deflate libcrc32c ufs qnx4 hfsplus hfs minix ntfs vfat msdos fat jfs xfs reiserfs ext2 nfsd nfs lockd fscache auth_rpcgss nfs_acl sunrpc dm_crypt ppdev ipt_REJECT ipt_LOG ipt_MASQUERADE xt_state iptable_mangle iptable_nat nf_nat nf_conntrack_ipv4 nf_conntrack nf_defrag_ipv4 iptable_filter ip_tables x_tables joydev sp5100_tco edac_core i2c_piix4 serio_raw k8temp edac_mce_amd snd_hda_codec_hdmi snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec snd_hwde |
| 15:41 | p snd_pcm snd_timer snd soundcore parport_pc snd_page_alloc mac_hid shpchp lp parport radeon 8139too ttm drm_kms_helper drm pata_atiixp i2c_algo_bit usbhid hid wmi r8169 | |
| 15:41 | and so on | |
| 15:41 | then that's a kernel level fault. | |
| 15:41 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:42 | smeagol | Yes, the kernel is crashing all over the place. |
| 15:42 | rambutan | core file? |
| 15:42 | eythian | I don't think that drops a core, not totally sure though |
| 15:43 | anyway, there are packages for wheezy. | |
| 15:43 | mtompset | smeagol: I installed koha on a wheezy vm yestesterday with no problems. |
| 15:43 | eythian | but the fact it's saying you have no network is probably a good place to start. |
| 15:43 | smeagol | I would like to do a dev install. |
| 15:43 | git | |
| 15:43 | eythian | it might also be your hardware is unsupported on Linux. |
| 15:43 | smeagol | I've never had a problem with these servers before... |
| 15:44 | mtompset | Good point, eythian. Unsupported hardware. |
| 15:44 | How old are the servers? nic cards die eventually. | |
| 15:44 | eythian | hmm. could be memory failure, or something that's gone screwy in the installation. |
| 15:44 | mtompset | as does memory. |
| 15:45 | smeagol | Well, i'm primarily interested in an install.debian text for wheezy....i guess. Not to get off track. |
| 15:45 | eythian | usually when I see that I run memtest etc., if that comes back clean, I format and reinstall from fresh on the theory that cosmic rays got in during installation/upgrade. |
| 15:45 | packages work on wheezy, I'd use them and convert them to a git install. | |
| 15:45 | wahanui: gitify | |
| 15:45 | wahanui | i guess gitify is at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 15:45 | eythian | ^-- using that |
| 15:46 | mtompset | I do the old-school (long download) git clone. ;) |
| 15:46 | smeagol | It doesn't like...deb http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian wheezy main |
| 15:46 | pianohacker | Does debian have a quick way to run a system-wide checksum verification? |
| 15:46 | tcohen | hi eythian |
| 15:46 | eythian | smeagol: don't do that |
| 15:46 | you don't need the indexdata one, zebra is in debian | |
| 15:46 | mtompset | smeagol: No need to mention those repos. |
| 15:46 | eythian | pianohacker: possibly, I'm not sure. |
| 15:47 | smeagol | Ahhh so...that's the problem..didn't know that..thanks, you guys are the best! |
| 15:47 | eythian | your kernel oopses and network messages would be concerning though. |
| 15:48 | smeagol | I haven't had them yet, since I loaded Wheezy...we'll see, I guess. |
| 15:49 | Do I not have to do... $ wget -O- http://ftp.indexdata.dk/debian/indexdata.asc | sudo apt-key add - then, as well? | |
| 15:49 | i guess not. | |
| 15:49 | mtompset | Where are you getting those instructions? |
| 15:49 | smeagol | install.debian http://git.koha-community.org/[…]LL.debian;hb=HEAD |
| 15:50 | mtompset | Well, it seems like pre-squeeze instructions haven't been updated. |
| 15:51 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze <-- there's a perfectly nice wiki page |
| 15:51 | (also works identically for wheezy) | |
| 15:51 | and needs a rewite one da | |
| 15:51 | y | |
| 15:51 | but otherwise perfectly nice. | |
| 15:53 | smeagol | Thank you very much! |
| 15:58 | tcohen | eythian, is it possible to pack missing dependencies for 12.04? |
| 15:58 | mtompset | Speaking of instructions, I think I managed to chop the 22K long ubuntu packages instructions down to 10k. |
| 15:59 | * drojf | did not know about koha-gitify |
| 15:59 | drojf | nice! |
| 15:59 | eythian | tcohen: I didn't think there were any missing ones. |
| 15:59 | mtompset | you'll have to forgive Ubuntu. ;) |
| 15:59 | eythian | ubuntu 12.04 should be a bit newer that squeeze, so I'd expect it to have pretty much everything. |
| 16:00 | mtompset | It's missing 4. I pulled 2 from raring, if I recall. |
| 16:00 | tcohen | there is only one missing |
| 16:00 | mtompset | the library::lc::call? |
| 16:00 | tcohen | 2 older versions |
| 16:00 | eythian | if you're missing library::lc::callnumbers, then you just haven't updated. |
| 16:01 | (It went into the repo a couple of days ago) | |
| 16:02 | tcohen | data::pagination seems missing on my demo site, archive::extract seems old, the same for test::www::mechanize |
| 16:02 | it is really possible that i messed things there | |
| 16:03 | eythian++ # for the library::lc::callnumber work | |
| 16:05 | eythian | Data::Pagination is explicitly blacklisted as we don't have the rights to distribute it. it shouldn't even be in Koha. |
| 16:05 | kf | that was used by solr, right? |
| 16:06 | eythian | I think so, yeah |
| 16:06 | libarchive-extract-perl isn't in squeeze at all. | |
| 16:07 | * tcohen | is doing grep -R "Archive::Extract" * |
| 16:08 | eythian | libtest-www-mechanize-perl is 1.30-1 in squeeze, 1.36-1ubuntu1 in precise. |
| 16:08 | tcohen | plugins |
| 16:08 | * drojf | is doing a "10 goto home" |
| 16:08 | tcohen | you are right eythian |
| 16:08 | maybe I missunderstood what the yellow color means? | |
| 16:09 | "too new"? | |
| 16:09 | eythian | yellow colour means you might have liver failure. |
| 16:11 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/vHL1d.jpg |
| 16:11 | eythian | oh, optional I think. |
| 16:12 | tcohen | thank god is not a liver failure i have... |
| 16:12 | did u see the history.txt patch btw eythian? | |
| 16:12 | eythian | I did |
| 16:12 | I haven't looked at it yet though | |
| 16:13 | tcohen | how is your europe tour going? |
| 16:13 | r u a rockstar eythian? | |
| 16:13 | kf | i think yello wmeans maybe an older version |
| 16:13 | eythian | well, I'm still in Brighton, and will be for a while, so not really much of a tour so far :) |
| 16:13 | oleonard | Wait, eythian is on another European tour? |
| 16:14 | eythian | it could also mean that, though that module is optional anyway. |
| 16:14 | kf | oleonard: when are you finally coming over? :) |
| 16:14 | eythian | oleonard: it's perhaps more realistic to say that sometimes I'm on a tour at home. |
| 16:14 | kf | oh lol |
| 16:14 | we have lots more yellow and red in the stest installation | |
| 16:14 | nothing exploded yet | |
| 16:15 | tcohen | kf: minimum archive::extract version on PerlDependencies.pm is 0.60, we have 0.48 on precise |
| 16:15 | kf | MooseX::Types? |
| 16:15 | i think the non-bold ones were optional | |
| 16:15 | but not sure | |
| 16:15 | eythian | people should be more careful about their versioning. If we're supporting squeeze, then requiring a higher version than exists there is a bad idea unless essential. |
| 16:16 | also, it makes more work for me. | |
| 16:16 | tcohen | 1.44 for mechanize, we have 1.36 |
| 16:16 | eythian | probably what they do is install the latest from cpan and set the version to that. |
| 16:16 | which is bad. | |
| 16:16 | tcohen | (1.30 on squeeze) |
| 16:16 | really bad... | |
| 16:17 | eythian | maybe we should add that to the QA tools somehow, so it flags it if they require something that's not in squeeze. |
| 16:17 | tcohen | so khall and magnuse are to blame |
| 16:17 | :-P | |
| 16:17 | eythian | bad khall and magnuse! |
| 16:18 | khall | sorry! |
| 16:18 | I tend to install modules via apt if I can, cpan otherwise | |
| 16:20 | tcohen | what license do we need eythian? |
| 16:20 | (for data::pagination) | |
| 16:20 | eythian | something that allows it to be redistributed. |
| 16:21 | tcohen | heh, something |
| 16:21 | eythian | yeah |
| 16:21 | currently it has nothing | |
| 16:22 | https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug[…]lay.html?id=80000 <-- and no reply to my query about it. | |
| 16:22 | So Data::Pagination can't be redistributed by us. | |
| 16:22 | tcohen | yes, was just reading it trying to fill a bug too |
| 16:31 | kf | nice bug number |
| 16:33 | eythian | it is :) |
| 16:34 | mtompset | yellow means not high enough version. doesn't say optional or not, as far as I know. |
| 16:34 | kf | bye all |
| 16:36 | eythian | bye kf |
| 16:36 | kf left #koha | |
| 16:46 | tcohen | mtompset: as kf said, bf means non-optional |
| 16:49 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 17:26 | drojf | ping |
| 17:30 | tcohen | pong |
| 17:35 | magnuse | huh, what did i do? |
| 17:37 | i don't think i ever added a new dependcy to koha... | |
| 17:40 | * magnuse | upgrades his customers to 3.12.1 |
| 17:42 | talks to himself | |
| 17:43 | * drojf | watches magnuse talk to himself |
| 17:47 | * magnuse | gives three cheers for koha-translate |
| 17:49 | * tcohen | feels proud for helping magnuse |
| 17:49 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
| 17:50 | it's very nice not to have to remember sudo perl KOHA_CONF=... etc! | |
| 17:51 | tcohen | yes, it checks the po files are there too, before deleting sutf |
| 17:53 | magnuse | yay |
| 17:54 | maximep | hi gmcharlt. Could you tell me the status of bug 9394 ? I'm not sure if you were waiting on something from khall or not |
| 17:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9394 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Use reserve_id where possible |
| 17:54 | magnuse | everything looks ok, so that is 50 instances updated in less than 15 minutes :-) |
| 17:55 | packages++ | |
| 17:55 | eythian++ | |
| 17:55 | liw++ | |
| 17:55 | * liw | bows in memory of his ancient contributions |
| 17:56 | tcohen | @karma eythian liw |
| 17:56 | huginn | tcohen: eythian liw has neutral karma. |
| 17:56 | tcohen | @karma eythian |
| 17:56 | huginn | tcohen: Karma for "eythian" has been increased 214 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 214. |
| 17:56 | mtompset | @karma liw |
| 17:56 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "liw" has been increased 40 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 40. |
| 17:56 | gmcharlt | maximep: just doing some testing; I expect to push it in the next few days |
| 17:57 | maximep | cool! gmcharlt++ |
| 17:57 | mtompset | liw: All contributions regardless of time are still good. :) |
| 17:59 | drojf | magnuse: 50 instances? you alone rule over more koha installations than i expect there are in whole germany |
| 17:59 | maximep | khall: is it normal your latest rebased patch on bug 7710 has more changes in request.pl than the previous ones ? |
| 17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , multiple holds per title |
| 18:00 | magnuse | drojf: about half of those are from my "gratis koha" offer (to library people in norway) |
| 18:01 | drojf | magnuse: i wish there were that many people interested in koha over here |
| 18:01 | sophie_m left #koha | |
| 18:01 | magnuse | hehe, try offering them gratis installations :-) |
| 18:01 | drojf | heh yes i probably should |
| 18:01 | khall | maximep: yes, there were a number of changes to that file that I had to take into account during the rebase |
| 18:02 | maximep | khall: should I sign off again ? |
| 18:02 | tcohen | are they on the same metal magnuse? |
| 18:02 | khall | maximep: it wouldn't hurt! |
| 18:03 | drojf | tcohen magnuse one linode to rule them all ;) |
| 18:03 | magnuse | tcohen: yup, a virtual server at linode |
| 18:03 | tcohen | you should try my koha-common-3.12.1-1~indexer build then ;) |
| 18:04 | * mtompset | goes back to the grind singing, "Knives! Knives to grind. Any knives to grind?" |
| 18:04 | * magnuse | will soon move the gratis installations and the demos (of which there are quite a few) to a separate server |
| 18:04 | is reminded of a joke from marseille ;-) | |
| 18:05 | * drojf | has not been to marseille and woners what the joke is |
| 18:05 | drojf | wonders even |
| 18:09 | mtompset | Yes, magnuse. Grant us a joke to cheer our day. ;) |
| 18:10 | magnuse | well, you kind of had to be there, right khall? |
| 18:10 | khall | gahh! I'm never going to shake that one, am i ; ) |
| 18:15 | magnuse | hey, it's the first time i mention it :-) |
| 18:16 | tcohen | hmmm, i've been told nothing astonishing happened at marseille... |
| 18:17 | magnuse | khall: and the last, if you so wish :-) |
| 18:17 | khall | : ) |
| 18:17 | I don't think dpavlin will let it go so easily! | |
| 18:18 | magnuse | ah, that is outside my jurisdiction, i'm afraid :-) |
| 18:20 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 18:21 | tcohen | does it involve beer magnuse ? |
| 18:25 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
| 18:28 | cait joined #koha | |
| 18:28 | cait | hey all :) |
| 18:32 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 18:33 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
| 18:35 | rambutan | khall: was tinkering with your offline circ the other day. Had problems getting it installed on Mint14. Looked like the problems involved dependencies apparently in debian but not in Mint. Any wise thoughts offhand? |
| 18:35 | khall | you can always compile it from source! |
| 18:36 | rambutan | hummm, I'm sure that musta been there but don't remember seeing it. On sourceforge? I was in a hurry so probably missed it. |
| 18:37 | khall | http://sourceforge.net/p/koha-[…]e/ci/master/tree/ |
| 18:38 | rambutan | yep, I just looked under "files" |
| 18:38 | * khall | wonders of that repo should be moved to git.koha-community.org |
| 18:43 | drojf | oleonard++ |
| 18:44 | hi cait | |
| 18:52 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 18:52 | hi drojf | |
| 18:58 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 18:58 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:02 | cait | bye tcohen :) |
| 19:11 | hm | |
| 19:11 | ok, google translate makes no sense | |
| 19:12 | pianohacker | that's its job, yes |
| 19:14 | cait | :) |
| 19:14 | oleonard: maybe we could find a server or sandbox for this | |
| 19:14 | then libraries could test easier | |
| 19:14 | oleonard | I would like that very much |
| 19:14 | cait | woul dit work on one of the biblibre sandboxes? if you installed it? |
| 19:15 | hmm | |
| 19:15 | *ponders* | |
| 19:16 | i don't have an installation i could offer as a test box currently :( | |
| 19:16 | jcamins | I can set up an example server running it. |
| 19:16 | But not right now. | |
| 19:16 | I'll even hook it up so that people can enter the comments directly on the OPAC. | |
| 19:17 | cait | ! |
| 19:17 | jcamins++ | |
| 19:17 | that sounds awesome | |
| 19:18 | oleonard: i like the new breadcrumbs :) | |
| 19:18 | jcamins | oleonard: is there a bug the OPAC should be locked to, or is there a different way you'd like comments? |
| 19:18 | cait | oleonard: and the save record options :) |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Your options are... bug or wiki, so I guess I shouldn't have made that sound so open-ended. |
| 19:19 | Errr... separate wiki. | |
| 19:19 | oleonard | There is a bug: Bug 10309 |
| 19:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 19:19 | * jcamins | is not a saint, and it would take a saint to automate posting comments on the general wiki. |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Bug it is. |
| 19:19 | cait | hm interesting |
| 19:19 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 19:19 | cait | broken umlaut in the library pulldown |
| 19:19 | is that thme or koha? | |
| 19:19 | drojf | hm. i tried koha-gitify that i leanred about a few hours ago to point an instance koha_oleonard to my clone at /home/mirko/oleonard/koha-dev and i am on the origin/bootstrap-opac branch but i don't have a bootstrap theme to choose from in my installation. am i missing something? |
| 19:20 | oleonard | I wouldn't think it was the theme's fault cait, since it's straight HTML |
| 19:21 | cait | more tihnking of the templates... but you are most probably right |
| 19:21 | i like the advanced search too :) | |
| 19:21 | only thing is maybe making the pull downs for boolean a bit smaller | |
| 19:21 | they seem a bit huge for the small ocntent :) | |
| 19:24 | oleonard | Goot point cait. Bootstrap wants to style all dropdowns with a fixed width, and it's not always appropriate. |
| 19:25 | cait | oleonard: still looking at the advanced search page :) |
| 19:25 | would it be possible to optimize the itemtype display a bit more? it moves to 1 column very soon | |
| 19:26 | i wonder if that will still be usable on a small screen with lots of itemtypes, not sure what's possible | |
| 19:26 | oleonard | I don't know, but I can look into it. |
| 19:29 | cait | ok, one more thing - the search form for authorities behaves a bit weird when you change the screen size |
| 19:29 | and on the big screen | |
| 19:29 | it alings them all in one row and when making the screen smaller they are a bit... zig zag? | |
| 19:30 | if that is an english term... even. | |
| 19:31 | jcamins | cait: it is an English term, but the more idiomatic term would probably be "staggered." |
| 19:31 | cait | thx |
| 19:32 | oleonard | I don't think I have tested responsiveness on the authority search yet |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Or "askew," I suppose. |
| 19:32 | Depending on the exact problem. :) | |
| 19:32 | * oleonard | spends most of his time ignoring them :P |
| 19:33 | oleonard | I see what you mean though cait |
| 19:33 | cait | the label seems to move in a wrong place too |
| 19:33 | i suddenly have Search: order by: [authority type pull down] | |
| 19:33 | oleonard | I think a similar problem is on the patron update screen--that form layout needs alternate CSS for smaller screens |
| 19:38 | drojf | for the record, just checking out bootstrap-opac instead of origin/bootstrap-opac worked. |
| 19:41 | * drojf | will continue his little soliloquy outside |
| 19:43 | cait | ? |
| 19:43 | oleonard | One thing that worries me is that sometimes (at least in Chrome), the narrow layout doesn't switch back to the full layout if I resize when I'm on a different tab. However, that's very much an edge case. |
| 19:46 | mtompset | If every other row was shifting back and forth, I'd go with staggered. :) |
| 19:47 | oleonard | Feel free to email comments directly to me or add them to the bug. I'm out for the day. |
| 19:55 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10346 - "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]815ed50c70093a057> |
| 19:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1289 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:13 | rangi | hmmmmmmm |
| 21:13 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1289: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1289/ |
| 21:13 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10346 - "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" | |
| 21:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" |
| 21:14 | cait | hmmmmm? |
| 21:14 | morning rangi | |
| 21:14 | drojf | sleepwalking? |
| 21:14 | rangi | getting grumpy at emails |
| 21:14 | cait | one specific? |
| 21:14 | and that doesn't seem to be a good plan | |
| 21:15 | drojf | rangi: chill out, get a personal live dvd :P |
| 21:15 | rangi | heh |
| 21:16 | fragmentation and unmaintainable systems for people who dont know how to look after a server .... | |
| 21:16 | how is that helping | |
| 21:16 | drojf | my guess is "not" |
| 21:16 | cait | ok, now I am getting curious about that mail |
| 21:34 | cjh | heh |
| 21:35 | cait | drojf++ :) |
| 21:37 | jcamins | Right, I have serious objections to that e-mail message. |
| 21:37 | rangi | yep |
| 21:38 | * cait | nods |
| 21:38 | jcamins | I would like to send an e-mail that starts with "Speaking as the immediate past Release Manager, I have *NEVER* been so ashamed..." except I'm not sure what comes after that. |
| 21:40 | rangi | heh |
| 21:44 | drojf | the latest feature i came up with for my livedvd is that it spits out a sysadmin that installs a real debian and a real koha. and steals the dvd drive. i'm still working on the compression though |
| 21:48 | maximep | it seems to me that writing a chef recipe for koha would be a better way to help installing it than a livedvd |
| 21:49 | combined with a vagrantfile that uses that chef recipe, if you want to try out koha in a vm | |
| 21:49 | jcamins | maximep++ |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | Or a debian netinstaller CD with Koha's repositories and packages set up to install by default |
| 21:50 | rangi | maximep: its even been done |
| 21:50 | jcamins | pianohacker: shhh. That's not complicated, silly. |
| 21:50 | maximep | rangi: yeah I know, used it to work a bit on my own |
| 21:50 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Chef_and_Vagrant |
| 21:50 | maximep | the problem is that it used a base box with all dependency installed |
| 21:50 | so it only works on 3.10 | |
| 21:51 | a better one would start with a clean debian 7 | |
| 21:51 | just didnt have the time yet to do it | |
| 21:51 | pianohacker | jcamins: No, it isn't. Closest sane alternative to the livedvd imo |
| 21:52 | jcamins | pianohacker: I don't think you understand what the LiveDVD is for. The LiveDVD is for complication! |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | hahahaha wellllll |
| 21:54 | maximep | on another subject, i'm working on a feature that I wonder if anyone ever worked on |
| 21:54 | hmmm | |
| 21:55 | just tought that I it relies on local stuff. bleh. | |
| 21:55 | drojf | do you want us to guess what it is? ;) |
| 21:55 | maximep | hourly holds |
| 21:55 | iirc aren't in koha, right ? | |
| 21:55 | jcamins | What do you mean? |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | hourly how? |
| 21:56 | jcamins | You can place holds on items that only circulate for a few hours. |
| 21:56 | drojf | what would that err yes what the others say |
| 21:56 | pianohacker | why wouldn't you be able to now? |
| 21:56 | maximep | creating a hold in the future, for exemple tomorrow from 10 to 12 |
| 21:56 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:56 | Someone was working on that. | |
| 21:56 | pianohacker | maximep: does the course reserves module cover any of that? |
| 21:57 | maximep | yeah... I forget what we have and what is in a vanilla koha :/ |
| 21:57 | my bad | |
| 21:57 | jcamins | pianohacker: not really. |
| 21:57 | I'm pretty sure khall was working on a different feature that does that, though. | |
| 21:57 | Where a patron can reserve an item for a specific period. | |
| 21:58 | pianohacker | hmm, okay. khall's probably out for the day, but should be back thursday morning |
| 21:58 | maximep | I will have more time this summer this send some patches.... afraid they conflict with his stuff |
| 21:58 | so much happenning in holds right now | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Wait... who the heck is it who sent that e-mail? |
| 21:59 | rangi | not vimal |
| 21:59 | someone else | |
| 21:59 | wahanui | someone else is, like, going to have to look at acquisitions |
| 21:59 | jcamins | Yeah, I just realized that. |
| 21:59 | That guy didn't even volunteer to do a livedvd. | |
| 21:59 | I'm not sure if I am more or less offended by this. | |
| 22:00 | maximep | his customizations in the opac are.... |
| 22:00 | drojf | he said in the other email (like, yesterday) he did a livedvd for 3.9.8 or something before |
| 22:00 | jcamins | drojf: ah. |
| 22:01 | pianohacker | maximep: what are you talking about? It's inclusive! He didn't forget a single one of the web-safe colors |
| 22:02 | maximep | let's just say it would look good in 2001 |
| 22:02 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:02 | cait | is there a screenshot somehwere? |
| 22:03 | maximep | on the sourceforge page |
| 22:05 | drojf | there is blinking text at the end of the video |
| 22:05 | in the beautiful opac | |
| 22:05 | cait | hm must havemissed that |
| 22:05 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 22:06 | jcamins | http://paste.koha-community.org/106 <-- anyone have a good subject? |
| 22:11 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 22:12 | drojf | jcamins: i can tell you what some people will read: "my name is jared, please ask me for free support of the live dvd" |
| 22:12 | jcamins | drojf: they read that anyway. |
| 22:12 | cjh | heh |
| 22:13 | jcamins | And if need be I'll send a message to the list stating categorically that all e-mail messages requesting free help that are addressed to me will be deleted unread. |
| 22:14 | drojf | but you said you are volunteering your time! :O |
| 22:14 | * drojf | hides |
| 22:14 | * jcamins | does the "not RM and therefore able to tell people to... errr... go bug someone else" dance. |
| 22:15 | rangi | heh |
| 22:15 | drojf | lol |
| 22:33 | midnight_mango++ | |
| 22:34 | jcamins | Okay, message is sent. |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | jcamins: Small question for you, as you've poked at Plack a fair amount. Are there specific coding practices/modules/problems that make it easy or hard to throw an existing CGI script into Plack? |
| 22:36 | jcamins | plack? |
| 22:36 | wahanui | Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. |
| 22:36 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 22:36 | plack guidelines? | |
| 22:36 | fastcgi? | |
| 22:36 | Oh well. | |
| 22:36 | File-level variables are the worst. | |
| 22:37 | Any sort of caching that doesn't include cache invalidation. | |
| 22:37 | pianohacker | File-level variables? "our" declarations in modules? |
| 22:37 | jcamins | File-level returns and exits. |
| 22:37 | "our" works, but is almost always the wrong thing to do. | |
| 22:38 | "my" will fail under Plack. | |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | gotcha. aside from the usual things like @EXPORT and @ISA, of course |
| 22:38 | jcamins | Right. |
| 22:38 | cjh | my variables are bad when you rely on them having a default value (ie; undef) |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | jcamins: woah, what? something as simple as my $input = new CGI count (line 33 of admin/cities.pl, for example)? |
| 22:38 | cjh | that can cause state to 'leak' between sessions T.T |
| 22:39 | jcamins | pianohacker: it's okay in pl files that are compiled only into a single function. |
| 22:39 | rangi | my is only bad |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | also, what would you use in a script as a replacement for return or exit if you know that you need to fail early? |
| 22:39 | rangi | because we are running an emulation mode |
| 22:40 | which like jcamins says, means its all compiled into one | |
| 22:40 | cjh | sorry, I was saying 'that can cause state to leak' as a carry on to my previous comment, not in reply to pianohacker :) |
| 22:40 | rangi | if its a true psgi script, that is not a problem |
| 22:40 | jcamins | pianohacker: you can use return/exit, but you have to be very careful of side effects. |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | right, the emulation is what seems to make this tricky |
| 22:41 | rangi | pianohacker: its exactly that |
| 22:42 | pianohacker | Do you have any scripts in particular in the plack repo that follow these guidelines well |
| 22:42 | ? | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | Oh, and subs in pl files are really annoying. |
| 22:43 | cjh | most of https://perl.apache.org/docs/g[…]rl_reference.html also applies to plack |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | I'm guessing because of the "compiling-into-sub" trick... |
| 22:43 | cjh | see the section talking about my variables for an explanation of the issues that arise (it talks about inner subroutines/closures which is exactly how the cgi->plack emulation works) |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | which sucks, because they're an awesome way to encapsulate functionality in things like admin scripts |
| 22:44 | rangi | its better to just put them in a module :) |
| 22:44 | even if you only think you might use them once | |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | well, if they're messing with the DB, absolutely |
| 22:46 | rangi | ideally your .pl file is 5 lines long |
| 22:46 | get a template, get some user input, give it to a sub, output | |
| 22:47 | hell of a lot easier to unit test too | |
| 22:47 | cjh | rangi++ |
| 22:47 | jcamins | Hey... if we needed a macro in a pl file, we could use closures: my $thingy = sub { dostuff }; |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | hrm, I suppose. Feels kind of silly to have both all of our model _and_ controller code in C4 though |
| 22:48 | Is that what we're aiming for? I'd hate to be griping at a strawman :) | |
| 22:48 | rangi | nothing new should be in C4 |
| 22:48 | cjh | model and controller arent really well defined anyway :) |
| 22:48 | rangi | mvc is a nice idea .. |
| 22:49 | but you cant take it too seriously | |
| 22:49 | like agile | |
| 22:49 | follow it strictly and suddenly its really unagile | |
| 22:49 | cjh | heh |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | just using it as a terminology reference :) |
| 22:50 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:51 | but yeah i think our biggest win | |
| 22:51 | for anything | |
| 22:51 | is 90% test coverage of all the subs ;) | |
| 22:51 | pianohacker | let me make sure I have this straight, though. Let's say I want to add a new admin module, to control library-specific frabnars. Would I make an admin/frabnar.pl that called subs from Koha::Admin::Frabnar, which in turn called data access subs in Koha::Frabnar, then generated the necessary output in the $template? |
| 22:51 | rangi | then we can rearrange things to our hearts content and be sure we arent busting things |
| 22:52 | most likely it wouldnt no | |
| 22:52 | what i would do is | |
| 22:52 | Koha::Admin::Frabnar | |
| 22:52 | subclass of Koha::Admin (if that made sense) | |
| 22:52 | and Koha::Database | |
| 22:52 | is where you access data | |
| 22:52 | using the $schema object | |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | Koha::Database::Frabnar? |
| 22:53 | rangi | i wouldnt separte |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | and, in the present day, using the $dbh module of course |
| 22:53 | rangi | i would be more focused on getting Koha::Database pushed |
| 22:54 | and using $schema->resultset etc | |
| 22:54 | cjh | so is Koha::Database using DBIx::Class ? |
| 22:54 | rangi | yup |
| 22:54 | cjh | neato! |
| 22:55 | pianohacker | where is this Koha::Database you speak of? :) |
| 22:55 | and thanks for going along with my silly example, trying to get a feel for where we're trying to go in terms of coding style | |
| 22:55 | rangi | id run this all past gmcharlt of course |
| 22:56 | pianohacker | roight |
| 22:56 | rangi | dang |
| 22:56 | it was in its own patch | |
| 22:56 | but some people think squahing patches together is actually helpful | |
| 22:56 | cjh | has it now been absorbed by another feature? |
| 22:56 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]&attachment=19248 |
| 22:56 | paul squashed all the patches on that bug together | |
| 22:56 | i mean sweet jesus | |
| 22:57 | who could code review that | |
| 22:57 | pianohacker | hahahaha holy god, the file listing alone almost goes off my screen |
| 22:57 | rangi | exactly |
| 22:57 | cjh | lol |
| 22:57 | simple to qa, just test everything... T.T | |
| 22:57 | rangi | but if you click on Database.pm |
| 22:58 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 22:58 | rangi | actuall 2 secs |
| 22:58 | cjh | use Modern::Perl, nice. |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | woops, clicked all files, sorry firefox |
| 22:58 | jcamins | cjh: just so long as it isn't also "use Moose;" |
| 22:59 | cjh | heh |
| 22:59 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]&attachment=19141 |
| 22:59 | easier to see | |
| 22:59 | the unit test is kinda a good tutorial | |
| 22:59 | mtompset | !@#$!@$ 469K patch?! |
| 23:00 | cjh | I love it how it provides a nice interface but still allows you to grab the dbh :D |
| 23:00 | rangi | also |
| 23:00 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8798#c86 | |
| 23:00 | huginn | 04Bug 8798: enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, In Discussion , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 23:00 | pianohacker | we'd still have some modules that deal with logic and may access the db on behalf of something else, correct? i.e., there would eventually be a Koha::Circulation that went through Koha::Database ? |
| 23:00 | rangi | most likely yes |
| 23:01 | pianohacker | kk |
| 23:01 | rangi | however Koha::Database gives us almost all the methods we need |
| 23:01 | so youd have something like | |
| 23:01 | Koha::Borrower | |
| 23:01 | Koha::Item | |
| 23:01 | and Koha::Circulation would interact with them | |
| 23:01 | gmcharlt | rangi: BTW, I'm toying with the notion that we don't actually check in the DBIC::Schema::Loader files |
| 23:01 | rangi | is how id imagine it |
| 23:01 | cjh | the future of Koha is bright. |
| 23:02 | gmcharlt | instead, just generate them during installation |
| 23:02 | pianohacker | that would be cleanest |
| 23:02 | rangi | sounds good to me |
| 23:02 | cjh | that does avoid a bunch of problems around versioning/modifying them, I like. |
| 23:03 | rangi | pianohacker: the good thing is, Koha::Database worked with postgres |
| 23:03 | bag | :) |
| 23:03 | rangi | i just had to hack at my config file a bit |
| 23:03 | pianohacker | damn, very cool |
| 23:04 | rangi | i dumped the schema out |
| 23:04 | of mysql | |
| 23:04 | created a postgresql db, loaded the schema in | |
| 23:04 | then had to manually insert some stuff | |
| 23:04 | bag | how much stuff? |
| 23:04 | rangi | but i got gmcharlt's test script to run |
| 23:04 | bag | small medium large? |
| 23:04 | heh | |
| 23:04 | ah nice | |
| 23:04 | rangi | well i didn't try loading in any data |
| 23:05 | so i just made some branchcategories and a branch | |
| 23:05 | manually | |
| 23:05 | but i suspect most of the .sql files would load in | |
| 23:13 | pianohacker | question: admin/cities.pl seems fairly straightforward, and does not depend on any sort of closure in StringSearch. the redirect line (85) seems questionable, but aside from that, would this break horribly under Plack? |
| 23:13 | (just as an example) | |
| 23:13 | rangi | nope |
| 23:14 | well there might be scope issues | |
| 23:14 | pianohacker | cool |
| 23:14 | how so? | |
| 23:14 | rangi | lemme just quickly read it |
| 23:15 | pianohacker | rangi++ # for patient explanation of all this |
| 23:15 | rangi | actually no that should be ok |
| 23:15 | pianohacker | cool |
| 23:15 | bag | actually pianohacker it's awesome to have these questions in the logs :) |
| 23:16 | rangi | you can test it easily enough :) |
| 23:16 | pianohacker | my next project needs to be plackable (as opposed to implackable?), so I want to make sure I have a clear understanding of it |
| 23:17 | jcamins | What's your next project? |
| 23:17 | Depending on what it is, you might be able to just make it a PSGI application. | |
| 23:18 | rangi | yeah |
| 23:18 | pianohacker | SRU gateway to funnel axis360 (ebook service) through the Pazpar2 work I've been doing |
| 23:18 | rangi | if that was possible that would be nicer |
| 23:18 | you can write something that can be run as psgi and cgi | |
| 23:19 | and avoid having to use the wrapper/emulation | |
| 23:19 | pianohacker | would that significantly complicate deployment? It would be much technologically cleaner, but I'm looking at making more of these in the same vein, and don't want to make things too crazy |
| 23:20 | I suppose I could make just one, actually | |
| 23:20 | but regardless | |
| 23:22 | rangi | thats why i like the .pl to be small, cos then converting it from pure CGI to PSGI is easy peasy :) |
| 23:22 | also | |
| 23:22 | https://soundcloud.com/robscot[…]-the-fucking-moon | |
| 23:23 | will help your code | |
| 23:23 | specially from about 5 mins on | |
| 23:25 | pianohacker | hahahahaha wow |
| 23:28 | I like the mix, though, thanks | |
| 23:28 | Good night #koha | |
| 23:28 | rangi | and while im distracting people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xow-aK9KGs |
| 23:29 | maximep left #koha | |
| 23:34 | irma joined #koha | |
| 23:36 | jcamins | be wizzyrea? |
| 23:36 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? |
| 23:36 | jcamins | Wow. I think that lightning strike was across the street. |
| 23:36 | Better shut down the computer, since it's a desktop. | |
| 23:37 | * jcamins | hopes to be back later, since he was actually planning on working. |
| 23:45 | drojf | "The antenna design has been perfected to maximize read range with such a small device." why of course i wouldn't want to know the actual range but prefer to read what your marketing department made up?! |
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