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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | bag | yeah |
| 00:00 | pianohacker++ | |
| 00:01 | BobB | that is such a step forward for Koha, it plugs one of the big gaps |
| 00:02 | tcohen | good night #koha |
| 00:04 | dcook | bag: That does sound rather interesting! |
| 00:05 | When I first read the title, I wasn't sure what you would use it for, but that could be rather handy for ILL... | |
| 00:05 | Are there other scenarios that you have in mind? | |
| 00:07 | BobB | federated search, dcook, eventually |
| 00:08 | dcook | BobB: Federated search is a funny term though. It seems to me that can mean a few things. |
| 00:08 | In a way, this would be a federated search, because you're searching multiple targets at once (although the results aren't being de-duplicated/aggregated) | |
| 00:09 | But even if the results were de-duplicated/aggregated...wouldn't it only be useful insofar as users are able to actually get access to those items? | |
| 00:09 | i.e. ILL | |
| 00:09 | Err "e.g. ILL" | |
| 00:09 | rangi | lots of libraries have recirpocal borrowing |
| 00:09 | not ILL | |
| 00:09 | but you live on the border of the districts | |
| 00:09 | you could drive to either library | |
| 00:09 | dcook | Yeah, I've lived in a few places with reciprocal borrowing |
| 00:10 | rangi | be nice to be able to search both from either catalogue |
| 00:10 | dcook | I suppose I put that under the category of ILL still :p |
| 00:10 | But I suppose strictly speaking it's not | |
| 00:10 | rangi | ILL usually sucks |
| 00:10 | reciprocal borrowing doesnt :-) | |
| 00:10 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:10 | Reciprocal borrowing is pretty good | |
| 00:10 | * dcook | ponders |
| 00:11 | bag | dcook: you can also write connectors into pay-for databases - IE ebsco etc… |
| 00:11 | dcook | bag: So it's going on the same idea as that Overdrive patch, eh? |
| 00:11 | bag | so you could search local libraries (maybe eventually leading to a ILL module with NCIP) and you could also search databases |
| 00:11 | dcook: it uses the same idea as overdrive | |
| 00:11 | just much broader :) | |
| 00:12 | dcook | Totes |
| 00:12 | It might be worth mentioning some of these use cases in the bug/commit message | |
| 00:12 | bag | yeah I'm assuming a wiki page will be an eventual landing spot :) |
| 00:12 | dcook | rangi: I suppose for reciprocal borrowing...this would provide a level of discovery and then you'd have to log into that system's ILS to place the hold |
| 00:13 | bag++ | |
| 00:13 | pianohacker++ | |
| 00:13 | bag | with NCIP you hopefully would only have to log into Koha :) |
| 00:13 | rangi | yep |
| 00:14 | dcook | That would be pretty great :) |
| 00:14 | Hmm, here's one I've never done before | |
| 00:14 | Koha++ | |
| 00:14 | bag | Koha++ |
| 00:15 | dcook | I was thinking this morning about how glad I am to be a part of a project like this. |
| 00:15 | bag | dcook++ |
| 00:15 | I think that everyday :D | |
| 00:15 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:16 | I suppose I do every day too, but this was a renewed burst of warm fuzzies | |
| 00:16 | bag | wait until you return from Kohacon |
| 00:16 | you'll have enjoy energy to fly home yourself skipping the plane | |
| 00:16 | dcook | The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. |
| 00:16 | lol | |
| 00:17 | Air Canada has decent in-flight movies though... | |
| 00:17 | bag | well hopefully we continue to stay a step ahead :) |
| 00:17 | dcook | :) |
| 00:19 | BobB | :) |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | @quote add <dcook> The community seems to have such a healthy vitality as well. Koha really does help open the future for libraries. |
| 00:21 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #262 added. |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 00:21 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #106: "<jwagner> Bah, humbug" (added by druthb at 01:31 PM, November 29, 2010) |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 00:21 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011) |
| 00:21 | wizzyrea | ^ love that one |
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| 00:24 | dcook | wb drojf |
| 00:24 | hehe | |
| 00:25 | Whoa...apparently there is an "English" stackoverflow: http://english.stackexchange.c[…]with-the-letter-s | |
| 00:25 | Wait...that's stackexchange | |
| 00:25 | Must be Friday | |
| 00:29 | bag | dcook: it's Thursday |
| 00:29 | dcook | So what you're saying is...in Australia and New Zealand, Koha is developed in the future |
| 00:29 | No wonder it's awesome | |
| 00:30 | bag | HA - so true |
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| 00:43 | dcook | It seems like you could say ILSs, ILSes, or...*cringe* ILS's |
| 00:44 | I have a degree in English and the more time goes by, the more I feel sympathy for anyone learning English as an additional language | |
| 00:44 | Such a hodge podge of a language | |
| 00:44 | * dcook | is a bit of a fan of French grammar |
| 00:44 | dcook | I suppose it has its own bizarre, archaic exceptions too though |
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| 01:15 | jcamins | Ooh, do we have new stable releases? Is that what I see in the scrollback? |
| 01:16 | Yay! | |
| 01:16 | tcohen++ | |
| 01:16 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 01:17 | rangi | http://wheninwellington.tumblr.com/ <-- from wizzyrea |
| 01:18 | bag | also jcamins in your scrollback http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 |
| 01:18 | huginn | 04Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 01:18 | dcook | rangi: lol |
| 01:18 | jcamins | bag: I already saw that. |
| 01:18 | :) | |
| 01:18 | bag | heh :) |
| 01:25 | cjh | I will be rolling the 3.8 release tonight, not quite sure about the po files yet though. |
| 01:26 | jcamins | Probably too late for bgkriegel. |
| 01:27 | cjh | we spoke about sending the patches via email earlier, but AFAIK I havent received them. |
| 01:28 | * cjh | flicks off an email |
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| 01:44 | bgkriegel | cjh? |
| 01:44 | wahanui | cjh is, like, just finishing off a report on the remaining issues with plack, which should help finish that work off |
| 01:44 | cjh | bgkriegel: hey :) |
| 01:44 | bgkriegel | hi :) |
| 01:44 | cjh | wahanui: forget cjh |
| 01:44 | wahanui | cjh: I forgot cjh |
| 01:45 | cjh | bgkriegel: was just writing a reply :) |
| 01:45 | bgkriegel | Ah ok |
| 01:45 | we have some time yet | |
| 01:45 | cjh | so I will do the release tomorrow, hopefully at a similar time to you and tcohen :) |
| 01:45 | so I can follow your excellent lead ;) | |
| 01:46 | bgkriegel | ok :) we can exchange some mails to agree on the right time |
| 01:47 | cjh | awesome, you can pick a time/timezone and as long as I am awake I should be able to follow :) |
| 01:47 | bgkriegel | of course :) |
| 01:47 | ok, see you | |
| 01:48 | cjh | cheers |
| 01:48 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 01:48 | jcamins | cjh, you were.working on Plack? |
| 01:48 | eythian | http://www.blorpy.com/post/404[…]/libraries-matter |
| 01:52 | cjh | jcamins: a long time ago, in a country far-far-away. |
| 01:53 | a long time ago I wrote a document about some problem areas of plackify-ing koha, recently I did some work on getting plack working with the packages. | |
| 01:57 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 01:57 | I'm still reading it, but...yep | |
| 01:57 | When I went to library school, my entrance essay was all about public libraries | |
| 01:59 | This isn't the article I've read before but...http://metronews.ca/news/saska[…]-rural-libraries/ | |
| 01:59 | A lot of government folks were (probably still are saying) that everyone has access to computers and internet at home, so why waste money on the public library | |
| 02:05 | Public libraries are a tough one. I loved my pubic library in Vancouver. I've gone on and on about it before. I went to it several times a week (at various branches throughout the city), but I never go here in Australia... | |
| 02:06 | Actually, a librarian I met when I first moved to Sydney really helped me out | |
| 02:06 | She helped set me up with computer/printer access so that I could print out forms and identification, so that I could apply for an apartment through the real estate. She was amazing ^_^ | |
| 02:07 | eythian | wahanui: google it is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/1n6mH4N.jpg |
| 02:07 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | there are a nontrivial number of people who only get internet through mobile, or not at all |
| 02:26 | those people use the library. | |
| 02:26 | eythian | jcamins or someone: when the marc spec says a leader field is #, that means ' ', right? Or is it literal? |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | there's a general trend to try and forget them |
| 02:26 | meanwhile, governments are moving services all online | |
| 02:27 | dcook | eythian: Come again? |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | so they're taking away the access, then requiring it |
| 02:27 | dcook | Oh, I gotcha |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | that's a top notch plan. |
| 02:27 | * dcook | ponders |
| 02:28 | dcook | eythian: Different systems implement it differently, but generally speaking it's ' ' |
| 02:28 | eythian | cool |
| 02:28 | dcook | I believe that's how Koha tends to do it as well |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | and not government services for rich people, I'm talking about government services for the less well off, the poor even, like income support |
| 02:28 | dcook | I think MarcEdit (and other systems) sometimes use "/" instead of ' ' |
| 02:28 | * dcook | prefers the space |
| 02:28 | eythian | OK. I'll stick with space then |
| 02:29 | dcook | wizzyrea: Exactly |
| 02:29 | Top notch plan to save money | |
| 02:29 | Save on overhead, plus make people unable to use the service | |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | WIN |
| 02:29 | er, | |
| 02:29 | PROFIT | |
| 02:29 | dcook | My father works for the CRA (Canadian Revenue Agency), and they stopped providing in-person assistance |
| 02:29 | Now, I think you have to call into a call centre | |
| 02:30 | I once spent HOURS on the phone over a tiny little detail | |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | in inda |
| 02:30 | dcook | Possibly |
| 02:30 | It's really quite sickening | |
| 02:30 | Also...if you're overseas...you aren't able to file your taxes online | |
| 02:31 | You can only file your taxes online if you live in Canada | |
| 02:31 | If you're overseas, you have to mail them in | |
| 02:31 | Unless you're filing as a resident of Canada (which is silly...because you're a resident for tax purposes in another country) | |
| 02:32 | Since I did procrastinate a bit...I filed as a resident instead of a non-resident, as I was entitled | |
| 02:32 | Because otherwise I would've had to mail in my return...which takes a while O_o | |
| 02:32 | I didn't have to pay anything because I had student tax credits saved up, but...if I didn't...I would've been on the line for like...4-5k | |
| 02:33 | Tax law for individuals isn't too bad in itself, but tax policies...ugh | |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | same in the states |
| 02:39 | no, DD | |
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| 03:07 | rangi | hey kathryn |
| 03:07 | nope, nothing you need to do | |
| 03:07 | cjh | kathryn: hey :) |
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| 03:09 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:10 | dcook | hey kathryn, mtompset |
| 03:10 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 03:10 | * wizzyrea | is glad that kathryn is alright |
| 03:17 | jcamins | eythian, right. Space. |
| 03:17 | eythian | ta :) |
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| 03:23 | mtompset | I have a question. |
| 03:24 | Let's say I have OpacHiddenItem set to hide a shelving location. | |
| 03:24 | I search in the staff client and find the 2 items. | |
| 03:24 | I search in the OPAC and find no items, but the search results says 2. | |
| 03:25 | Is this a bug? | |
| 03:26 | Greetings, dcook wizzyrea jcamins eythian. :) | |
| 03:27 | bag | I think that could be classified as a bug… |
| 03:28 | search results are different than items :( | |
| 03:29 | mtompset | That's what I was thinking, because even though it hasn't leaked the details of the items in question, it has leaked that something really is there. |
| 03:30 | bag | yeah I think that maybe a harder one to solve |
| 03:31 | mtompset | Yes, but it is a bug that I'd be willing to attempt to fix. |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | be rangi |
| 03:31 | wahanui | There's a bug for that |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | be rangi |
| 03:31 | wahanui | There's a bug for that |
| 03:32 | wizzyrea | send a patch! |
| 03:32 | there. | |
| 03:38 | eythian | http://adpgtech.blogspot.com.a[…]-on-postgres.html |
| 03:38 | kathryn | oh hello, all the hellos :) wizzyrea whisked me into an involved conversation :) |
| 03:39 | dcook | be rangi |
| 03:39 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 03:39 | dcook | Third time's a charm? |
| 03:39 | Glad you're all right, kathryn! Sounds like it's been brutal over there... | |
| 03:40 | kathryn | thanks dcook and wizzyrea, I didn't take any exciting pics of the stormyness, but this is a pic from just down from my house http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]atters-Wellington |
| 03:41 | oh actually pic 14 at that link hmph | |
| 03:41 | dcook | wow... |
| 03:41 | kathryn | anyway, rocks and logs found their way out of the sea and over the road |
| 03:42 | dcook | Looks like...O_O |
| 03:42 | eythian | > A fell tree on Maungaraki Road. |
| 03:42 | not sure that's the best English there | |
| 03:42 | well, unless it's an evil tree | |
| 03:42 | that'll cause bad luck to everyone | |
| 03:42 | dcook | I was about to comment on demon possession... |
| 03:43 | kathryn | hey rangi, cool thanks |
| 03:44 | hi cjh :) | |
| 03:45 | cjh | glad things are going well on your end :) |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | the pic of the bus without a windshield is quite... errrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:45 | that would have been scary | |
| 03:45 | cjh | wont load for me :( |
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| 04:03 | mtompset | Well, it's after midnight, and I think I'm turning back into a pumpkin. |
| 04:03 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. :) | |
| 04:06 | gmcharlt | and here is my cat's contribution to Koha hacking today: ≈nhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdffffffffbbbbjfdfn |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | <3 |
| 04:10 | your cat is awesome | |
| 04:24 | cait | :) |
| 04:24 | * cait | waves |
| 04:24 | cait | wizzyrea: how is wellington today? |
| 04:24 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 04:24 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.4°C (6:20 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:28 | eythian | cait: slowly calming down |
| 04:28 | I don't think it's actually windy right now | |
| 04:29 | cait | cool |
| 04:29 | eythian | oh, it's down to ~60kph anyway |
| 04:32 | wizzyrea | it's not so bad today |
| 04:33 | really awful last night... well, no, yea that was awful. | |
| 04:36 | kathryn | hi cait :) |
| 04:36 | eythian I think it has to be more than 60kph here... | |
| 04:36 | cait | h kathryn :) |
| 04:39 | eythian | it's hard to tell around here, it's too directional. |
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| 05:18 | dcook | \o hey Oak |
| 05:19 | Oak | o/ hello dcook :) |
| 05:19 | * Oak | waves |
| 05:22 | * cait | struggles to leave the laptop behind for the weekend |
| 05:24 | dcook | cait: Isn't it only morning still? |
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| 05:24 | cait | dcook: hm? |
| 05:25 | ah yeah, i have an exam for my distance study today, so off work :) | |
| 05:25 | dcook | Ahhh |
| 05:26 | Good luck with the exam! | |
| 05:26 | * dcook | thinks it might be time to grab some lunch... |
| 05:31 | cait | enjoy your lunch |
| 05:33 | dcook | Yeah, I think it's going to be one of those things where I say I'm going to go grab food but I don't for another 30-60 minutes :p |
| 05:33 | If only jcamins delivered through a wormhole... | |
| 05:34 | Oak | good luck with the exam cait. keep calm :) |
| 05:40 | cait | thx Oak |
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| 05:49 | WaylonR | hiya all, how do i get Koha to use a zebra server via tcp thats on another computer? |
| 05:51 | both authorities and biblios... for some reason, zebra doesn't work on the server koha is on.. but on another install it does.. I believe its the same config. yes, I reindexed.. and it segfaults partway through the reindexing. | |
| 05:52 | but yaz-client is able, via tcp, to access the other servers zebra server. | |
| 05:52 | dcook | WaylonR: I'm a bit busy at the moment, but have you looked at the permissions? |
| 05:52 | Consider pasting your error message here using paste.koha-community.org | |
| 05:53 | http://koha-community.org/faqs[…]ch-stuff-up-help/ | |
| 05:53 | That's also useful | |
| 05:54 | Also, I think that there should be some information about using tcp rather than unix sockets in the actual koha-conf.xml | |
| 05:54 | But I would suggest trying to resolve the actual problem before resorting to a workaround :) | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:40 | dcook | salut reiveune :) |
| 06:40 | top of the morning, paul_p | |
| 06:40 | reiveune | salut dcook |
| 06:43 | mattsz | hi ! |
| 06:44 | dcook | hey ya matts :) |
| 06:45 | WaylonR | ... can't help if the server i wanted to run zebra on.. is offline.. gah. |
| 06:46 | dcook | WaylonR: That would certainly put a damper on things ;) |
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| 07:18 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:23 | * dcook | waves to the BibLibre folks |
| 07:23 | dcook | Time for me to head off. Good day, all. |
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| 08:02 | cait | hi koha |
| 08:03 | @wunder munich | |
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| 08:03 | huginn | cait: Error: timed out |
| 08:04 | cait | @wunder muenchen |
| 08:04 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Muenchen, Flughafen, Germany is 18.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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| 09:43 | cait-m | @wunder munich |
| 09:43 | huginn | cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:43 | cait-m | @wunder münchen |
| 09:43 | huginn | cait-m: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:44 | cait-m | @wunder muenchen |
| 09:44 | huginn | cait-m: The current temperature in Berglern, Mitterlern, Germany is 20.5°C (11:39 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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| 13:41 | tcohen | hi #koha |
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| 14:06 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:06 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) |
| 14:06 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:06 | gmcharlt | hi mtompset |
| 14:06 | mtompset | Greetings, gmcharlt. |
| 14:07 | Well, just lost a couple days worth of work. Thankfully, most of the work was thinking, so recoding shouldn't be too much of a problem. | |
| 14:07 | gmcharlt | server/VM crash? |
| 14:07 | mtompset | git mess up. |
| 14:08 | gmcharlt | ah |
| 14:09 | mtompset | Are MySQL strings 0-based or 1-based? |
| 14:09 | substr(blah,0,1) is first digit or ,1,1? | |
| 14:09 | gmcharlt | 1-based |
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| 14:18 | rhcl | @seen jcamins |
| 14:18 | huginn | rhcl: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 1 minute, and 14 seconds ago: <jcamins> eythian, right. Space. |
| 14:18 | * jcamins | waves. |
| 14:19 | mtompset | jcamins: You were awfully still for 11 hours. ;) |
| 14:19 | Greeetings, gmcharlt jcamins rhcl. :) | |
| 14:20 | gmcharlt | who allowed jcamins to actually sleep? we've got to correct this problem! |
| 14:20 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P |
| 14:20 | mtompset | Oh my! Have you been cheating on us? ;) |
| 14:21 | gmcharlt | @quote add <jcamins> I wasn't sleeping, I was just being bibliographic on other channels. :P |
| 14:21 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #263 added. |
| 14:23 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 14:23 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 14:25 | I was noticing that OpacHiddenItems works well, and that the staff client still sees hidden items and the OPAC does not. I was wondering if a OpacHiddenItemsOverride system preference Yes/No that should check if the user has 'view catalogue' and 'staff client' permissions to show the hidden things in the OPAC is an okay idea. | |
| 14:27 | tcohen | bug 9890 |
| 14:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Fix the new plugin system for package installs |
| 14:27 | tcohen | magnus_away: would you take a look at 9890? |
| 14:30 | rhcl | hi mtompset |
| 14:41 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1266 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:44 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4cec2aa825dd949d> |
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| 15:05 | riba | o/ |
| 15:05 | I wanted to comment on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 but didn't find a way without creating yet another account | |
| 15:05 | huginn | 04Bug 8798: enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 15:05 | ribasushi | wtf.. |
| 15:06 | anyway - is any of the bug participants around? | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | ribasushi: I think gmcharlt, khall, and paul_p have been discussing that recently. |
| 15:07 | paul_p | ribasushi yes, I'm here |
| 15:07 | ribasushi | hi |
| 15:07 | paul_p | hi ribasushi |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | hi ribasushi |
| 15:07 | ribasushi | paul_p: I am the current-long-standing DBIC maint |
| 15:08 | I am excited you guys are migrating DBIC wholesale - I need more such success stories to brag about ;D | |
| 15:08 | I looked over some of the diffs and there's one thing that jumped at me as very wrong | |
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| 15:09 | paul_p | ribasushi well, we've got the decision, some nice hackers, what we lack is time (or money, but that's almost the same thing : I could dedicate 2 FTE to this task if I had enough money...) |
| 15:09 | ribasushi which mistake ? | |
| 15:09 | ribasushi | you have set (in many places) ... |
| 15:09 | I am looking for it, lost the diff... | |
| 15:09 | $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} <- you set this all over the place | |
| 15:10 | it was introduced as a backcompat measure for folks with broken preexisting schema definitions | |
| 15:10 | in *new code* this is a sign of a latent data eater | |
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| 15:10 | ribasushi | you need to resolve the cause of this (whatever it may actually be) before "going public" with a call for conversions |
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| 15:11 | gmcharlt | ribasushi: we were figuring that corrections to the schema were needed anyway |
| 15:11 | but could you expand on what you mean by "latent data eater"? | |
| 15:12 | ribasushi | the presence of this warning implies an incorrectly set metadata on the source in question |
| 15:12 | most likely the "direction" of the relationship is reversed | |
| 15:12 | the higher the DBIC version - the more I rely on the correctness of such metadata to make informed decisions on the SQL I generate | |
| 15:13 | for instance an incorrect relationship direction may end up in a cascaded delete going in a way that you never anticipated | |
| 15:13 | or an entire JOIN being dropped away because DBIC can "prove" (based on the erroneous metadata) that it does not need it | |
| 15:13 | gmcharlt | gah |
| 15:13 | thanks for the warning | |
| 15:14 | ribasushi | because this stuff happens deep in the guts the consequences may compound to something I can't currently think of |
| 15:14 | paul_p | ribasushi = am I right if I say "adding this will hide any error in your schema, and that's a bad idea, better fixing the schema" ? |
| 15:14 | ribasushi | on the other hand - I *never* rely on metadata blindly, unless I can provide a reasonable (and timely) warning way in advance "hey your schema metadata makes no sense!" |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt: so I am not taking the risk lightly, but there is only so much I can do ;) | |
| 15:15 | paul_p: "any error" is a tad strong, "a number of errors" would be more correct | |
| 15:15 | paul_p: also s/better fixing/we have to fix/ | |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | ribasushi: well, we'll take that out of the patch and exercise it more |
| 15:17 | ribasushi | I am sadly not much around IRC lately (life happens etc) |
| 15:17 | but I am always available with a reasonable turnaround at ribasushicpan.org |
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| 15:17 | ribasushi | so feel free to contact me if more issues arise |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt: ^^ | |
| 15:17 | paul_p: ^^ | |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | great -- and thanks for taking the time to look it over |
| 15:18 | paul_p | ribasushi we'll probably ask for some hints later ;-) |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | ribasushi: do you have any objections to my pasting this conversation into the bug report? (the channel is logged anyway, to be clear) |
| 15:18 | ribasushi | gmcharlt: not at all |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 15:18 | ribasushi | gmcharlt: I'd also grp for other ENV overrides |
| 15:18 | in case I missed something (it's a lot of code ;) | |
| 15:19 | *grep | |
| 15:21 | in any case - I happen to see @KohaBugs updates (I look for q{DBIx} on twitter wholesale :) so when the schema is deemed "final-ish" I will look in more details again | |
| 15:21 | may pop up with more "OH NOES" later on ;) | |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | ribasushi++ |
| 15:23 | ribasushi | and now I have to run & |
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| 15:54 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1266: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1266/ |
| 15:54 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 10334: remove t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* tests | |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10334 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: t/db_dependent/needs_user_input/* are unusable |
| 16:20 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:13 | jcamins | gmcharlt: hey, any chance you could ask Marlene if WA has any sort of barcode prefix registry? |
| 17:13 | gmcharlt | jcamins: sure, I'll ask |
| 17:14 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | jcamins: What are you working on? |
| 17:14 | jcamins | pianohacker: I want to make a definitive list of what states have their own barcode prefix registries. |
| 17:14 | Enough of this uncertainty about whether you should just use your own ZIP code or... | |
| 17:15 | pianohacker | huh. interesting. has colorado popped up on there by any chance? |
| 17:15 | jcamins | pianohacker: I e-mailed someone at the national library and haven't gotten a response. |
| 17:15 | Hey... | |
| 17:16 | pianohacker: any chance you could find out if Colorado has a state-wide barcode prefix registry? | |
| 17:16 | :D | |
| 17:16 | pianohacker | hahahaha |
| 17:16 | Yeah, lots of librarians on Facebook. I'd be happy to | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 17:16 | Huh. Facebook. | |
| 17:16 | wahanui | facebook is *not* a universal authenticator! |
| 17:16 | jcamins | Never thought of using social media for this. |
| 17:17 | (and no, that was not an ironic statement) | |
| 17:21 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack pretzel |
| 17:21 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 17:22 | druthb | hm. |
| 17:22 | wahanui: botsnack my overly-long to-do list. | |
| 17:22 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 17:22 | druthb | no, thank you. :) |
| 17:22 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb pianohacker. |
| 17:22 | druthb | Hi, mtompset! :D |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | hallo |
| 17:23 | mtompset | Co-ordinating cross country meetings is a pain! |
| 17:23 | LA, Toronto, Dublin, Manila. | |
| 17:23 | jcamins | What time is it in Manila now? |
| 17:23 | mtompset | 1:23am |
| 17:23 | druthb | oooh…that would be tough. Dublin and Manila are just about as far apart as you can get. |
| 17:24 | mtompset | not really. |
| 17:24 | -3,0,+5,+12 -- 0 = EST :) | |
| 17:25 | druthb | The antipode of Ireland is somewhere south of NZ, in a cold, cold ocean….the antipode of Manila is in western Brazil. |
| 17:25 | mtompset | It's the combination of the timezones that is bad... remove a location, and things go much better. |
| 17:26 | * druthb | discovers that the anitpode of most of the continental US is in the southern Indian Ocan. |
| 17:26 | tries again to type "Ocean." | |
| 17:27 | gmcharlt | ocan you? |
| 17:27 | ;) | |
| 17:27 | * druthb | chucks Skittles at gmcharlt. |
| 17:28 | mtompset | Make sure they are licked, so they are more likely to stick. :P |
| 17:28 | druthb | ewwwww |
| 17:28 | jcamins | gmcharlt: quick! Apply some http://news.cnet.com/8301-1793[…]o-coat-your-gear/ |
| 17:29 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ |
| 17:29 | jcamins | "None shall stick. Noooonnneee shall stick." |
| 17:30 | * druthb | could move to Cordoba, stay with tcohen, and start digging a hole all the way to China…and actually have China on the other end of the hole. Fun playing with http://www.freemaptools.com/tu[…]-of-the-earth.htm |
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| 19:08 | mtompset | Hmmm... if the chances of generating a duplicate are now known at 10^28 roughly. Is that small enough? |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Depends how you were able to determine that number. |
| 19:08 | mtompset | my process, that doesn't lock, generates a random string. |
| 19:09 | It is 16 characters long and each character is 1 of 62 characters (a-z,A-Z,0-9). | |
| 19:09 | If the random string is identical in the case that two process are running, a duplicate will be generated. | |
| 19:10 | jcamins | Personally, I would say that is not a sufficiently sound algorithm, and that you should be using something that is guaranteed unique by its nature if you're not using any meaningful barcode number generator. |
| 19:11 | But if you're determined that it has to be generated and not derived, I don't imagine anyone will come up with a better solution. | |
| 19:11 | (short of actually fixing the generator) | |
| 19:12 | mtompset | OH! I have an idea! |
| 19:12 | Derived may be possible. | |
| 19:12 | $$ | |
| 19:12 | The process ID for two processes calling the same function will be different, correct? | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Yes, but are you sure you don't have something else derivably unique? |
| 19:14 | tcohen | r u trying t generate unique ids for item barcodes mtompset? (sorry, got late int the chat) |
| 19:14 | mtompset | No... the problem is with cardnumbers. |
| 19:14 | jcamins | Like, say, the user identifier and the SAML domain, or whatever the equivalents are with SAML? |
| 19:14 | tcohen | oh, we use the national id number for that |
| 19:15 | mtompset | I don't think the user id would be unique, necessarily... some library branch beyond my control could log in as a the same user twice. |
| 19:15 | jcamins | I do not see how that is possible without causing breakage anyway. |
| 19:15 | mtompset | tcohen: that would be a privacy issue on other countries. |
| 19:16 | jcamins: if stupid is possible. it will be done. | |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Yes, but your system will have broken anyway by the time you get to generating the barcode, so who cares? |
| 19:16 | You are creating a new user based on the SAML login, right? | |
| 19:16 | You will have a duplicate key error when you try to create the second user thanks to the user name. | |
| 19:17 | mtompset | Yes, but the function fixup_cardnumber is not just called by my SAML code. |
| 19:17 | There are other screens and methods of calling it. | |
| 19:18 | I like adding the process id ($$) into the string. | |
| 19:18 | jcamins | I do not. |
| 19:18 | I did not realize that you were trying to change the way Koha generates card numbers. | |
| 19:18 | Libraries depend on those numbers incrementing. | |
| 19:18 | mtompset | I'm trying to FIX... |
| 19:18 | druthb | PIDs are *way* more repeatable than 16-digiters. |
| 19:18 | mtompset | this is for LOCKING without locking. |
| 19:19 | this number is only in my new cardnumber_sequence table. | |
| 19:19 | I'm not changing the algorithm for cardnumber generation. | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | mtompset: okay. |
| 19:19 | In that case, I have no objection. | |
| 19:19 | mtompset | druthb... yes, but are they repeatable in a matter of seconds? |
| 19:21 | if not... then even if the random string portion is identical in a matter of seconds, the $$ portion of it shouldn't be. | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | They are, yes. |
| 19:21 | druthb | mm.. yeah. |
| 19:21 | jcamins | With Plack, every single request may have the same pid. |
| 19:21 | mtompset | mmm.... that sucks. |
| 19:22 | is there a millisecond timer I can grab somehow? | |
| 19:22 | because the milliseconds between two string generations should differ. | |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Time::Hires. |
| 19:22 | Or something like that. | |
| 19:23 | mtompset | Okay... thinking more hypothetical.... |
| 19:24 | a dual processor machine.... calls the function in both processors at the same time. | |
| 19:24 | tcohen | use /dev/random mtompset |
| 19:26 | mtompset | I'm currently using String::Random. |
| 19:26 | druthb | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bikeshedding |
| 19:33 | * tcohen | and florencio are following the thread http://snag.gy/KXUqX.jpg |
| 19:34 | druthb | kitteh! |
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| 19:56 | mtompset | Nice... bug 10478 got me added to CC. :P |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Do we need a sequential number generator? |
| 19:57 | mtompset | my problem is, will LAST_INSERT_ID be the last id for process 1 or process 2. |
| 19:57 | This is why I'm working with the generate/derive id for a string identifier. | |
| 19:59 | also, last_insert_id is very much MySQL. :) | |
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| 20:49 | cait | tes |
| 20:49 | t | |
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| 22:46 | mtompset | SPLIT! |
| 22:46 | Is everyone back (or front)? | |
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| 22:58 | * Dyrcona | just logged in to babble about something off topic in another channel on another IRC network. |
| 22:58 | is leaving, now. | |
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| 23:54 | mtompset | okay... more thinking about generating/deriving a unique string. |
| 23:55 | the time stamp part could only duplicate if running on different processors. | |
| 23:55 | (as far as I can reason) | |
| 23:55 | the random string at the front can only duplicate 1 in 62^16. | |
| 23:56 | I realized the session id might be useful, so that should be a 32 character uniqueness there, but not necessarily as someone might have multiple tabs on the same domain. | |
| 23:57 | druthb | That's a much lower chance than the odds of you dying by asteroid collision, so you've probably got something workable there. |
| 23:57 | mtompset | and if for some reason there is no session id, I generate a random string 32 characters long (1 in 62^32 chances) |
| 23:57 | * druthb | can't type, has the sleepy |
| 23:58 | mtompset | Are you sure? |
| 23:59 | Wow... I have gotten it far, far lower. | |
| 23:59 | druthb | If you've spent more than an hour thinking on this--you're overthinking the problem, I suspect. |
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