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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | \o |
| 00:00 | good night. | |
| 00:00 | wahanui | I'll be waiting for you to come back, dcook. |
| 00:00 | dcook | good night. |
| 00:00 | wahanui | Don't go, dcook. Stay a while. Stay forever. |
| 00:00 | Brooke | see ya |
| 00:00 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:00 | Sorry. I was teasing wahanui. I'm around forever... | |
| 00:01 | Brooke | that's cruel and unusual bot punishment |
| 00:02 | dcook | He started it? |
| 00:02 | Brooke | tsc |
| 00:02 | go sit in the corner and think about what you did. | |
| 00:04 | ibeardslee | oarΣ |
| 00:04 | Brooke | us use em for boas |
| 00:04 | boats even | |
| 00:13 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con2014_Proposals <- woot |
| 00:14 | Brooke | Indeed |
| 00:14 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 00:15 | dcook | Awesome! |
| 00:15 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, dcook |
| 00:15 | dcook | Brooke: He always gets me back... |
| 00:15 | Or rather it... | |
| 00:15 | * dcook | is unsure of the gender of 'bots |
| 00:15 | dcook | I think Argentina was the top of my list for the 2013 voting.. |
| 00:16 | Brooke | I think I voted for it third. Mebbe second. Can't remember what I order or if I voted for meself. |
| 00:16 | ibeardslee | must start planning |
| 00:17 | dcook | Brooke: Who were you? |
| 00:17 | Brooke | DC |
| 00:18 | dcook | I think that was fairly high on my list as well |
| 00:18 | * dcook | has never been to DC |
| 00:18 | dcook | Or Argentina :p |
| 00:19 | Or actually any of the places on the list.. | |
| 00:19 | Brooke | well, if you ever are in the neighbourhood, write me :) |
| 00:19 | dcook | I'll keep that in mind :) |
| 00:19 | Brooke | What?! You don't know that the whole point of KohaCon is to secretly see the world a bit at a time? ;) |
| 00:19 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:19 | Well, '13 will be my first | |
| 00:19 | * Brooke | is missing Africa and South America |
| 00:19 | dcook | I still kick myself for missing '12 |
| 00:20 | Although I had already been to Edinburgh | |
| 00:20 | I would've loved to see it again though | |
| 00:20 | Brooke | 12 was too close to 11 for me to get there without begging on the streets. |
| 00:20 | dcook | I'm missing...Africa, South America, Asia, and Antarctica :p |
| 00:20 | * Brooke | saves busking for truly dire straits. |
| 00:20 | dcook | At least you can busk |
| 00:20 | Brooke | v poorly |
| 00:21 | dcook | I suppose I've wondered a bit if '14 will be too close to '13... |
| 00:21 | ibeardslee | going for the sympathy handouts? |
| 00:21 | dcook | It sometimes works |
| 00:21 | Brooke | why not, our minimum wage is half yours ;P |
| 00:21 | dcook | I think I can...give cataloguing advice, tutor French, and type things up really quickly? |
| 00:21 | Half? | |
| 00:21 | Brooke | roughly |
| 00:21 | * dcook | thinks American minimum wage is less than half of Australia's |
| 00:22 | dcook | Mind you, on the walk to work this morning, I realized that I pay more in rent for 1 week than I paid for... |
| 00:22 | Well over 1 month of rent through my first few years of uni | |
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| 00:22 | dcook | And several weeks near the end of uni (with a very nice apartment in the downtown of a small city) |
| 00:22 | Brooke | at one point I lived with like 7 blokes and rent was like $150 |
| 00:23 | dcook | For...? |
| 00:23 | The month? | |
| 00:23 | wahanui | the month is more than enough time. |
| 00:23 | Brooke | two floors in the ghetto near a meat packing plant |
| 00:23 | but it was really nice inside | |
| 00:23 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:23 | Brooke | yes per month |
| 00:23 | dcook | My first apartment with...5 other guys was 263 a month |
| 00:23 | It was...habitable and near the uni. | |
| 00:23 | Brooke | that was the year I had to argue that I was native with the census taker, as well as that yes virginia, there really were like 8 computers. Come and count them. |
| 00:24 | dcook | lol |
| 00:24 | While I value census data, I hate filling out census surveys.. | |
| 00:24 | Brooke | last time's census taker was FAR more respectful. |
| 00:24 | dcook | Glad to hear it |
| 00:24 | Brooke | I fill them out and I always seem to get the house visit anyway |
| 00:24 | perhaps I take too damn long to return em | |
| 00:25 | dcook | Hmm, maybe? |
| 00:25 | wahanui | i think maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 00:26 | dcook | Wahanui... |
| 00:26 | wahanui | i am a little bit creepy. |
| 00:26 | dcook | Yep |
| 00:26 | Brooke | ha! |
| 00:26 | * Brooke | gives dcook a cookie. |
| 00:26 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:26 | Mmm cookies... | |
| 00:26 | Last time, I think I might've gotten some house visits | |
| 00:26 | But I didn't actually experience them | |
| 00:26 | The landlord just yelled at me and told me to fill out my census papers | |
| 00:27 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 00:27 | dcook | That's when I had a place for 350 a month in Vancouver |
| 00:27 | Brooke | sweet as |
| 00:27 | dcook | Actually, I split that with my partner of the time so it was 175 a month.. |
| 00:27 | In a very upscale part of Vancouver | |
| 00:27 | jcamins | I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. |
| 00:27 | Brooke | :D |
| 00:27 | dcook | Socialization and drinking! |
| 00:27 | jcamins | The fact that you're interesting places just makes the liquor more fun. |
| 00:27 | :P | |
| 00:27 | Brooke | how is that not a quote? |
| 00:27 | jcamins | *in interesting |
| 00:28 | dcook | Good question. |
| 00:28 | * dcook | tries to remember... |
| 00:28 | dcook | @quote <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. |
| 00:28 | huginn | dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:28 | dcook | Oh well |
| 00:29 | Brooke | is it add quote mebbe |
| 00:29 | jcamins | You missed the "add" after @quote. |
| 00:29 | dcook | Wait.. |
| 00:29 | @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. | |
| 00:29 | huginn | dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 00:29 | dcook | Right, that's why it doesn't work |
| 00:29 | rangi | @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. |
| 00:29 | @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. | |
| 00:29 | huginn | rangi: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 00:29 | dcook | :o |
| 00:29 | Brooke | not trustworthy! Tsc. |
| 00:30 | rangi | @quote add <jcamins> I'm pretty sure the point of KohaCon is socialization and drinking. |
| 00:30 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. Quote #261 added. |
| 00:30 | dcook | Socializing and drinking! |
| 00:30 | Emmm...yes | |
| 00:30 | Brooke | Peter Dunne? |
| 00:30 | dcook | So the 350 a month place...demolished shortly after I moved to Australia |
| 00:30 | I'm sure the owner got several million dollars for the lot alone | |
| 00:30 | jcamins | dcook: I guess that was a bit redundant, eh? |
| 00:31 | dcook | jcamins: Hmmm? |
| 00:31 | jcamins | dcook: "socialization" and "drinking." |
| 00:32 | Brooke | redundancy is correlated to alcohol intake ;) |
| 00:32 | dcook | I'm sure there's a Bender quote that applies to the situation |
| 00:33 | Brooke | Bite |
| 00:33 | My | |
| 00:33 | Shiny | |
| 00:33 | Metal | |
| 00:34 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:45 | * dcook | dislikes typos |
| 00:45 | dcook | Little typos are usually easy to understand |
| 00:45 | But when you use the same word over and over again in a sentence when you were supposed to use many different words... | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Ензщы дшлу ершы, |
| 00:46 | Heh. Enzshchy dshlu ershy. | |
| 00:46 | dcook | jcamins: I guess so, jcamins :p |
| 00:46 | Whoa... | |
| 00:46 | jcamins | That's what happens if you switch to Cyrillic and type "Typos like this?" |
| 00:46 | dcook | There I go doubling up words |
| 00:46 | Google said it was "Typos like this" :o | |
| 00:46 | Brooke | teh Google is always right, nevar wrong |
| 00:46 | dcook | Google thinks "Enzshchy dshlu ershy" is "English short essay" |
| 00:47 | nevar! | |
| 00:47 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:47 | dcook | Well, except there I guess |
| 00:47 | Unless I DID mean English short essay | |
| 00:47 | In which case, it would've been right.. | |
| 00:47 | Hmm | |
| 00:47 | jcamins | In which case that's a pretty egregious series of typos. |
| 00:47 | dcook | Beer goggles? |
| 00:47 | * dcook | checks the time. Only 10:47am. |
| 00:48 | dcook | Aha! |
| 00:48 | Apparently I have already filed the bug for the current issue. I just forget to go back and work on it...oy.. | |
| 00:56 | Interesting... | |
| 00:56 | wahanui | somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 00:56 | jcamins | Usually bad, I think. |
| 00:56 | dcook | I'm not sure in this case |
| 00:57 | I thought that Statistic 1 and Statistic 2 weren't working in Acquisitions | |
| 00:57 | But apparently you can link those fields with an authorized value list via a Fund | |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Depends what you mean by "working"? |
| 00:57 | dcook | Although for some reason you can't point to ASort1 or Asort2... |
| 00:57 | Well, I thought they were just blank input fields | |
| 00:57 | Mind you...they do seem a bit broken still.. | |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Ah. I'm pretty sure they are, unless you link them to an authorized value. |
| 00:58 | They don't do anything either way, to my knowledge. | |
| 00:58 | dcook | If you link them to an authorized value, they seem to sort of work |
| 00:58 | As in... | |
| 00:58 | If you're creating a basket, you'll get drop-downs for the authorized values that you defined in the first fund available | |
| 00:58 | Then, if you change funds...you can get different values for those Statistic fields | |
| 00:58 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:59 | dcook | Which...is kind of cool I guess |
| 00:59 | jcamins | But what does not working look like? |
| 00:59 | dcook | Mmm, they should probably be free text by default (that is before you choose a fund) |
| 00:59 | Plus, you can't connect them to certain authorized values, which makes me wonder.. | |
| 01:00 | Mmm, apparently they don't have free text input | |
| 01:00 | They just have optionless select menus...also not good | |
| 01:01 | jcamins | Oh, I thought they used to default to free text if you hadn't selected an authorized value category. |
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| 01:01 | dcook | I think they do |
| 01:01 | If... | |
| 01:01 | You have no funds with authorized values set up? | |
| 01:01 | * dcook | checks this |
| 01:01 | wahanui | checks this is still #koha, right not #thunderdome ? |
| 01:01 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 01:01 | Yay! Just about to get into the station. | |
| 01:01 | So long. | |
| 01:01 | dcook | Station? |
| 01:07 | Ahh...I'm an idiot | |
| 01:07 | Well, perhaps not, if I realize my mistake... | |
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| 01:50 | sunspot | is this the channel for the koha library system? |
| 01:50 | rangi | yes |
| 01:51 | sunspot | cool! thanks rangi |
| 01:52 | I'm alex from 30suns.com I'm hoping to get some guidence on how to get intgration hooked up for libraries that want to publish on our status dashboard | |
| 01:52 | eythian | oh cool |
| 01:53 | pretty much anything you like can be exposed one way or another | |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | what kind of things did you have in mind |
| 01:55 | sunspot | 30suns lets organizations publish incident reports to a service health dashboard |
| 01:55 | e.g, http://30suns.com/amazonaws/ | |
| 01:56 | so I would image the library system would be one (or more?) of those services | |
| 01:57 | we have an embedded version of the dashboard, e.g., http://30suns.com/amazonaws/embed/ | |
| 01:57 | minimalist for putting inside an iframe | |
| 01:58 | so first point of integration would be to have a page like kohaserver/status/ that makes it easy for users to embed their dashboard | |
| 01:58 | does that make sense? | |
| 01:59 | if you have a settings page in koha that stores settings, you could let the user put their username there and it would automatically generate the status page | |
| 01:59 | we want it to be super easy for end users | |
| 02:00 | eythian | _a_ settings page? we must have hundreds :) |
| 02:00 | sunspot | eythian: :) |
| 02:00 | 'flexible' :) | |
| 02:01 | eythian | yeah, and a billion slightly different requirements to account for |
| 02:01 | sunspot | anyway, so we're handing out free accounts to developers of various open source projects like wordpress and the like |
| 02:01 | who offer to write plugins or integration points | |
| 02:02 | dani left #koha | |
| 02:02 | sunspot | like maybe the koha project could have 30suns.com/koha/ for all the project's services? |
| 02:02 | eythian | that'd have to be up to the folks who run those services I guess. |
| 02:03 | not sure if any/many of them would be online at this time of day | |
| 02:03 | sunspot | eythian: gotcha, so maybe I'll try again tomorrow :) |
| 02:04 | eythian | well, some are in Europe, some are in the US. |
| 02:04 | So it might require a few goes :) | |
| 02:05 | sunspot | oh dear :) |
| 02:05 | eythian | this said, integrating monitoring with Koha probably wouldn't require anything custom |
| 02:05 | sunspot | well if anyone's interested and reads this, shoot me an email at alex.hunter30suns.com |
| 02:06 | eythian | I have a couple of nagios plugins that look into the various parts of a koha system |
| 02:06 | sunspot | eythian: it's not really monitoring per se, just reporting |
| 02:06 | eythian | ah right |
| 02:06 | sunspot | but monitoring is on the roadmap :) |
| 02:07 | seems like libraries are our natural allies, we have imagined that they must like to keep track of things :) | |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | you have no idea. |
| 02:07 | eythian | Oh, they do. |
| 02:07 | they are mad for reports | |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | MAD. |
| 02:08 | sunspot | hehe |
| 02:09 | dcook | I would protest if it weren't true. |
| 02:18 | sunspot | Okay guys, well thanks for the chat, if anyone's interested in a free 30suns account shoot me an email at alex.hunter30suns.com and I'll hook you up |
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| 02:23 | ibeardslee | that wasn't so much of a chat as an advertising speel |
| 02:24 | eythian | such a cynic |
| 02:24 | ibeardslee | yep |
| 02:25 | dcook | Cynicism ftw |
| 02:25 | eythian | it'll never catch on |
| 02:26 | dcook | ;) |
| 02:32 | bgkriegel | dcook? |
| 02:32 | wahanui | it has been said that dcook is currently out of line. |
| 02:33 | dcook | Hmm, if wahanui says it, it must be true |
| 02:33 | What's up, bgkriegel? | |
| 02:33 | bgkriegel | Hi, could you take a look at bug 10488? |
| 02:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10488 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New MARC21 authority tags and subfields should be propagated to non-default frameworks |
| 02:39 | dcook | bgkriegel: Nice work :). I like the idea of using the default framework as a base and then copying over only the relevant tags (or not copying over irrelevant ones) |
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| 02:40 | bgkriegel | easier to maintain :) |
| 02:40 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 02:40 | dcook | Much easier :) |
| 02:40 | hey ya mtompset | |
| 02:40 | I'm going to take a look at the pdf now.. | |
| 02:40 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook bgkriegel. |
| 02:40 | bgkriegel | hi mtompset |
| 02:41 | ok, thanks | |
| 02:41 | mtompset | I'm about to use git-bz for the first time in quite a while. Let's see what utter destruction I create. :) |
| 02:41 | dcook | mtompset: Eeep! |
| 02:41 | bgkriegel: What do the white squares represent? | |
| 02:41 | mtompset | Thankfully, it's on my bug 10454 |
| 02:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10454 major, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, NEW , Lack of critical section could generate duplicate card numbers |
| 02:42 | mtompset | So worse comes to worse... no biggie. :) |
| 02:42 | bgkriegel | all are tgs not present on current authtypes |
| 02:42 | dcook | Mmm, right |
| 02:43 | So you want to eventually have a list where you just have orange and green? | |
| 02:43 | Wait, sorry, | |
| 02:43 | Orange, green, and white | |
| 02:43 | We need to decide whether blue should be white (not included) or orange (included) | |
| 02:44 | bgkriegel | yep |
| 02:44 | dcook | Very cool |
| 02:44 | Alas, I'm not sure if I can be much help :/ | |
| 02:44 | bgkriegel | but there are new tags, from last update |
| 02:44 | dcook | I had a librarian recently asking for some help updating her authority frameworks, but I wasn't sure which new fields should go where |
| 02:45 | I suppose some like gender/address would only be relevant for people | |
| 02:45 | bgkriegel | in the patch I put all in, except for obsolete ones |
| 02:45 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:46 | In 9826 or 10488? | |
| 02:46 | mtompset | When you fix a piece of code by completely re-writing a function, and then you find a tiny bug related to an algorithm in another function and you fix that, but it isn't related to what you initially said "duplicate card numbers"... how would you phrase your fix title so it doesn't look like scope creep? |
| 02:46 | bgkriegel | 10488 |
| 02:46 | dcook | So the default (9826) has everything? |
| 02:46 | cjh | mtompset: split it off into a different bug :p |
| 02:47 | dcook | Obsolete, new, plus those we already had? |
| 02:47 | bgkriegel | nope, thay's has all up to september 2012, this has new tags from april 2013 |
| 02:47 | mtompset | fine. fine. i suppose I could do that too. I just don't like creating more bugs. |
| 02:47 | cjh | mtompset: you arent, you are fixing them :p |
| 02:48 | mtompset | The secondary bug is a lack of -1 on a loop variable. |
| 02:48 | eythian | that a loop variable needs a -1 suggests another problem may exist. |
| 02:49 | dcook | bgkriegel: Ok, so 10488 adds Update No. 16 to the default framework, then seeks to create the other frameworks based on that one |
| 02:49 | mtompset | Yes, a whole bunch of cardnumbers for katipo format may have incorrect checksum digits. |
| 02:49 | bgkriegel | yes, that's the idea |
| 02:50 | dcook | That's great :) |
| 02:50 | And now you're looking for input on which new tags should be included in which framework? | |
| 02:50 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 02:50 | or excluded | |
| 02:50 | dcook | Mm, right |
| 02:51 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 02:53 | mtompset | How do you un-"git add"? |
| 02:53 | dcook | git checkout --, I believe |
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| 02:55 | dcook | bgkriegel: I imagine it might be best to consult librarians who catalogue authorities |
| 02:55 | Alas, I haven't catalogued myself since late 2011 | |
| 02:55 | jcamins might also have insight, as I know he follows cataloguing listservs | |
| 02:55 | * dcook | should probably start doing that as well |
| 02:56 | dcook | I could probably give you a rough idea, but I don't have too much time to focus on it at the moment. |
| 02:56 | bigbrovar_ | Bonjour |
| 02:56 | dcook | That said...I'll give this URL to the librarian I mentioned before |
| 02:56 | bgkriegel | Ok, thanks |
| 02:56 | dcook | She really wants to include RDA fields into her authority cataloguing, so I'll see what she comes up with :) |
| 02:56 | bgkriegel | mtompset: git reset HEAD <file> |
| 02:56 | mtompset | but how do I know what heads are available? |
| 02:57 | eythian | there is only ever one HEAD |
| 02:57 | dcook | Yeah, your HEAD will be the last commit |
| 02:58 | bgkriegel: Wouldn't reset also undo the changes to the working directory, or do you need a --hard flag for that? | |
| 02:58 | mtompset | I am so putting a git diff somewhere, so I can redo everything, if something goes bad. |
| 02:58 | dcook | mtompset: git stash save |
| 02:58 | If you're really worried | |
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| 02:58 | bgkriegel | yep, you need --hard |
| 02:58 | dcook | Neat. Good trick to know. |
| 02:59 | eythian | definitely git reset HEAD <file> |
| 02:59 | I did it earlier today | |
| 02:59 | It's also what git tells you to do when you run git status | |
| 02:59 | dcook | Now that I think about it, maybe git checkout -- actually removes working directory changes.. |
| 02:59 | cjh | you DONT need --hard, --hard will also undo your changes |
| 02:59 | dcook | eythian: My git status says "git checkout --" |
| 02:59 | But yep...discards working directory changes | |
| 02:59 | * dcook | should've checked that first... |
| 03:00 | eythian | mine says: |
| 03:00 | # Changes to be committed: | |
| 03:00 | # (use "git reset HEAD <file>..." to unstage) | |
| 03:00 | dcook | Mmm |
| 03:00 | Drr..I'm slow | |
| 03:00 | Sorry, eythian! | |
| 03:01 | mtompset: But yeah...I've never managed to break Git. You can always reverse your changes. As for losing work in progress...I would suggest git stash save and possibly using multiple branches. | |
| 03:01 | mtompset | mine says git reset HEAD^1 <file> |
| 03:02 | eythian | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cron[…]grotate_ubuntu.sh <-- OK, this is really quite nifty |
| 03:02 | mtompset | in my git commit message. |
| 03:02 | eythian | mtompset: git status |
| 03:02 | wahanui | git status is a-ok |
| 03:02 | eythian | not git commit message |
| 03:02 | dcook | eythian: This is nifty! |
| 03:03 | cjh | eythian: neato |
| 03:04 | mtompset: that would go back one commit (1 before HEAD), rather than unstage the added files. | |
| 03:04 | mtompset | Actually... I undid my 2 byte fix. |
| 03:04 | did a git add. | |
| 03:04 | then a git commit --amend. | |
| 03:04 | It's no longer listed. :) | |
| 03:05 | dcook | bgkriegel: Are obsolete tags included in the frameworks or just the default? |
| 03:05 | bgkriegel | just the default |
| 03:05 | dcook | K. Thanks :) |
| 03:06 | bgkriegel | current policy is to not remove tags (at last from default) |
| 03:07 | dcook | I think that's a good policy |
| 03:08 | I think it helps to minimize data loss overall. Makes sense not to include them in the other frameworks though, me thinks | |
| 03:09 | bgkriegel | they are not included now, so it's harmless, I suppose |
| 03:10 | dcook | I suppose in the end it depends on the people who set up individualized frameworks, their cataloguers, and what sorts of policies they have in place |
| 03:11 | I figure it's best to have at least one source where they have access to everything just in case | |
| 03:11 | Anyway, I've emailed that librarian with a link to the PDF :) | |
| 03:11 | bgkriegel | thanks :) |
| 03:11 | dcook | I think she's been taking some RDA courses and such, so hopefully she'll provide some insight |
| 03:29 | mtompset | Did I mention that I hate testing? :) |
| 03:29 | You almost always find some mistake. | |
| 03:29 | * dcook | loves testing |
| 03:30 | dcook | Really |
| 03:30 | I want the thing to be as good as possible before I release it | |
| 03:30 | How does that expression go...10% development, 90% error checking? | |
| 03:30 | mtompset | That's why I test, but I hate testing. I keep finding tiny bugs. |
| 03:30 | dcook | But then you can resolve the bugs :) |
| 03:31 | Although I suppose sometimes it seems like there's an endless train of bugs... | |
| 03:31 | Gotta love undocumented features... | |
| 03:31 | :D | |
| 03:32 | mtompset | or things you forget like casting to integer on the sort order. :P |
| 03:32 | dcook | Handy thing to notice though |
| 03:32 | I had the same thing happen with a different project a little while ago | |
| 03:33 | I stared at the thing for 5 minutes before I realized it was a string and not an integer | |
| 03:33 | Yeesh | |
| 03:35 | On the plus side, I think I've just about resolved this acquisitions/authorized value thing | |
| 03:35 | First time I've ever used .outerHTML in JS | |
| 03:36 | Hmm, git blame time... | |
| 03:37 | Oh that's special...I didn't know you could "git diff <file>" | |
| 03:37 | You know...it being obvious and all | |
| 03:37 | mtompset | That's one of the first things I learned. :) |
| 03:37 | dcook | Certainly a good one to know |
| 03:38 | I just turned on color/syntax highlighting instead :p | |
| 03:42 | mtompset | Okay, the updatedatabase.pl part of the patch works. |
| 03:42 | Now to find all the ways to trigger the fixup_cardnumber function, and trigger them. | |
| 03:43 | dcook | :D |
| 03:43 | mtompset++ | |
| 03:43 | mtompset | I think I'll do that later. I need proper sleep in order to get back on board my weightloss programme. |
| 03:44 | My patch trades a duplicate problem (worst case scenario) for a skipped number (worst case scenario). | |
| 03:44 | dcook | Hmm, I think that's grammatically impossible :p |
| 03:44 | But good night :) | |
| 03:45 | mtompset | the former being a matter of timing things in the old code, while the latter requiring a process to die in the midst of adding a cardnumber. |
| 03:46 | dcook | Sounds messy, but go get that proper sleep :p |
| 03:47 | mtompset | Feel free to read C4::Member fixup_cardnumber, AddMember_Opac and C4::Input checkdigit to see the ugliness soon to be covered. :) |
| 03:47 | Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. | |
| 03:48 | dcook | Oh, Acquisitions...you're crazy |
| 03:53 | Oh sure...it's already been fixed in master... | |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea | natch |
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| 03:56 | dcook | Gotta love how there are different ways of doing things with programming |
| 03:56 | Looks like they opted for my original idea, although my latter idea had fewer changes.. | |
| 03:56 | Looks like I have to keep the fix for 3.8 anyway | |
| 03:59 | Fridolyn Somers++ | |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea: Looks like you could use an update: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars | |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | probably yep |
| 04:03 | if you have a wiki login, you can update it for me :P | |
| 04:03 | mine's broken at | |
| 04:03 | atm | |
| 04:04 | dcook | That's not good |
| 04:04 | Tell me what you want to put up there and I'll write it out | |
| 04:04 | * dcook | tries to think of something clever to put in |
| 04:05 | dcook | brb |
| 04:05 | wizzyrea | lol I got in :) |
| 04:07 | there, that ought to look bette.r | |
| 04:07 | dcook | :D |
| 04:11 | I think I'm sick of winter already. Summer should come back. *nods* | |
| 04:11 | @wunder Sydney, Australia | |
| 04:11 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 15.0°C (2:00 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:11 | dcook | I still maintain I can do -30 winters with 100km+ winds |
| 04:11 | But that's different somehow | |
| 04:12 | The weather right now...it's mocking us | |
| 04:12 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 04:12 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 28.97 in 981 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:12 | eythian | dunno what you're talking about |
| 04:12 | dcook | "I'm pretty warm but I'm just cold enough to make you not want to walk somewhere for lunch" |
| 04:12 | Touché, eythian | |
| 04:12 | eythian | we're supposed to have 130+kph wind this evening. |
| 04:14 | dcook | Time to batten down the hatches? |
| 04:15 | eythian | probably everything that is likely to blow down or away already has. |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | hm it's not that windy |
| 04:15 | dcook | huginn wasn't quite right about Sydney either. It's sunny, there are blue skies, and no wind. :/ |
| 04:15 | huginn | dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 04:16 | eythian | no, not right now, but it has been in the past month or so |
| 04:16 | dcook | I thought that Wellington had a bunch of hills/mountains around it. Where's all this wind coming from? |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | my judge of wind is that tall tree out the window just behind me |
| 04:16 | it's funneled in | |
| 04:16 | dcook | wizzyrea: Same here |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 04:16 | dcook | There are a few trees on the roof of the building over. |
| 04:16 | Natural weathervanes :D | |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | my tree isn't doing much of anything at the moment |
| 04:17 | dcook | Oh...one of mine is starting to shake a little more |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | oh there it goes perhaps the wind just arrived |
| 04:17 | dcook | That's weird timing.. |
| 04:17 | Oh, now it's still again | |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | nah just a breeze |
| 04:18 | lol | |
| 04:18 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:18 | I feel bad for anyone reading these logs... | |
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| 04:46 | Oak | Guten morgen cait |
| 04:47 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 04:47 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 33.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:48 | cait | hi Oak |
| 04:48 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 04:48 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 18.5°C (6:45 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:48 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:49 | cait | hi eythian |
| 04:49 | wizzyrea | hm that's nicer than it was when you went to bed. |
| 04:49 | :) | |
| 04:49 | less nice in pakistan. | |
| 04:50 | cait | wizzyrea: it's 6:50 am - i am not sure it will stay so nice :) |
| 04:50 | wizzyrea | hehe probably not. |
| 04:54 | cait | wish it would |
| 04:55 | really do | |
| 04:56 | hm but supposed to rain today... we will see | |
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| 05:20 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:20 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.7°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
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| 05:21 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 05:21 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 28.94 in 980 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:36 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 05:36 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 10.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:37 | eythian | see, that's more normal for a winter evening. |
| 05:40 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 05:40 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 14.4°C (3:40 PM EST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:41 | dcook | I think we're losing our blue sky now but the rooftop tree is still pretty still |
| 05:42 | cait | winter... |
| 05:42 | wahanui | i guess winter is almost gone! I already need the fan on |
| 05:43 | dcook | lol |
| 05:43 | Wahanui, you're so witty. | |
| 05:43 | wahanui | dcook: i'm not following you... |
| 05:47 | eythian | wahanui: knowledge is power |
| 05:47 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 05:47 | eythian | wahanui: knowledge \is power |
| 05:47 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
| 05:48 | eythian | wahanui: knowledge \is power is <reply>France is bacon. |
| 05:48 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 05:49 | dcook | O_o |
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| 05:55 | saa | after upgrade of koha from 3.8.6 to 3.12 rebuild zebra does not work and no results are found in OPAC hw to sort out this error why cron is not updating records |
| 05:59 | cait | hmmm |
| 05:59 | documenting authorized values... wasn't there one to make labels for patron attributes? | |
| 06:20 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:21 | magnuse | knowledge? |
| 06:21 | wahanui | well, knowledge is power, france is bacon. |
| 06:21 | dcook | hey ya magnuse |
| 06:21 | cait: Not sure I follow | |
| 06:21 | cait | i found it: PA_CLASS |
| 06:21 | dcook | So what does it do? |
| 06:22 | * dcook | is doing some work with patron attributes so very keen to learn all he can about them |
| 06:22 | dcook | Mmm, I remember now...something about grouping? |
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| 06:23 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:24 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:24 | moin drojf | |
| 06:24 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 06:24 | * rangi | waves before taking the kids to bed |
| 06:24 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 06:26 | * dcook | waves to rangi and drojf |
| 06:26 | dcook | You too matts ;) |
| 06:26 | drojf | hey dcook |
| 06:26 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 06:26 | matts | hello ! :) |
| 06:26 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.1°C (8:13 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:26 | rangi | http://www.wunderground.com/we[…]asp?ID=IWELLING75 |
| 06:26 | check out the graphs | |
| 06:26 | dcook | drojf, I know this might sound ridiculous, but every time I see a bollard now...I think of you :p |
| 06:26 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 06:26 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 6.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:27 | drojf | dcook: lol |
| 06:27 | rangi | we are getting hammered, but not as bad as the south island |
| 06:27 | dcook | Whoa..that rainfall came out of nowhere |
| 06:27 | rangi | yep big southerly front |
| 06:28 | http://www.metservice.com/maps[…]-radar/wellington | |
| 06:29 | magnuse | ooh, 6 degrees! snow in the mountains? |
| 06:32 | rangi | lots of snow |
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| 06:35 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 06:36 | dcook | hey ya marcelr |
| 06:37 | salut sophie_m | |
| 06:37 | marcelr | hi dcook sophie_m |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | cait | ah sorry dcook: yes grouping and defining custom labels for the groups |
| 06:38 | marcelr | hi reiveune cait |
| 06:38 | cait | hi marcelr |
| 06:38 | and bbl | |
| 06:39 | dcook | bonjour reiveune |
| 06:39 | cait: For display on the template? | |
| 06:39 | cait | yes |
| 06:39 | makes it look almost like is has always been there | |
| 06:40 | only thing for us is the label is not translatable | |
| 06:40 | should not be a problem for you :) | |
| 06:40 | meaning it's one-language-only | |
| 06:40 | dcook | Mmm |
| 06:40 | We have a few multilingual libraries | |
| 06:40 | I think mostly French and Arabic though | |
| 06:40 | cait | oh wow :) |
| 06:40 | reiveune | hi cait, marcelr, magnuse, dcook :) |
| 06:40 | dcook | So we care! :D |
| 06:40 | cait | well i would use their primary language then |
| 06:40 | or do some double label | |
| 06:41 | dcook | I think they tend to use English overall |
| 06:41 | cait | ok, leavingnow - bbiab |
| 06:41 | dcook | Sort of a good...in-between language |
| 06:41 | ta, cait | |
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| 06:45 | alex_a | onjour |
| 06:45 | +b | |
| 06:50 | dcook | bonjour alex_a :) |
| 06:50 | alex_a | bonjour dcook ! |
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| 06:59 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 06:59 | wahanui | hola, gaetan_B |
| 07:00 | dcook | hey gaetan_B |
| 07:00 | wahanui | gaetan_B is probably working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons |
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| 07:20 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:33 | magnuse | wb kf |
| 07:34 | you did not melt en route to work? | |
| 07:39 | dac | Apparently "to adumbrate" is another term for "to outline" as in to outline one's points |
| 07:39 | English... | |
| 07:39 | wahanui | english is spoken @ BibLibre :) |
| 07:40 | magnuse | english <3 |
| 07:52 | rangi | hmmm power flicking like crazy |
| 07:52 | UPS apclocalhost on battery |
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| 07:55 | yay average windspeed of 81kmph | |
| 07:55 | * dac | wishes Wellington and NZers all the best. |
| 07:55 | rangi | no wonder its loud |
| 07:57 | magnuse | yeah, that is some wind |
| 08:02 | rangi | https://twitter.com/badtom/sta[…]47615759742144514 |
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| 08:06 | saa | i need to set koha cron i upgraded koha from 3.8 to 3.10 i logged in as koha user and created crontab -e and whereever koha_user was there i have added koha but rebuild_zebra does not work |
| 08:07 | can some one help | |
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| 08:20 | rangi | Wellington Electricity spokesman Drew Douglas said the weather had caused extensive damage, with affected areas including Titahi Bay, Trentham, Silverstream, Wingate, Wainuiomata, Miaramar and Kingsley Heights. |
| 08:20 | About 1100 households were without power, on one of the coldest nights of the year. | |
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| 08:25 | rangi | ohh |
| 08:25 | the hourly average is up to 102 | |
| 08:26 | * rangi | blathers on while he still has power |
| 08:30 | saa | i have set koha cronjob with koha as a user but rebuild_zebra gives an error in mail kohauser mail says "/bin/sh: koha: not found" |
| 08:31 | can someone help to correct the cronjob so that new records are searched in OPAC | |
| 08:32 | rangi | how did you set up the cron job? |
| 08:32 | saa | logged in as koha user |
| 08:32 | rangi | put it in /etc/cron.d ? |
| 08:32 | saa | crontab -e and read file from /usr/share/koha/bin/crontab.example |
| 08:32 | but who should own the file | |
| 08:33 | and in each line added koha whereever __KOHA_USER was replaced with koha | |
| 08:34 | rangi | that file is set up for placing in /etc/cron.d |
| 08:34 | if you edit with crontab -e | |
| 08:34 | its gonna run as the user you edited with, so you dont specify a user | |
| 08:34 | (not really a koha issue, more linux/unix) | |
| 08:35 | saa | but hw will i knw whether it ran or nt |
| 08:35 | atleast if i run as a koha it gave me mail with /bin/sh not found error | |
| 08:37 | hw do i knw where this file would be nw if i created it with kohalocalhost:crontab -e |
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| 08:42 | rangi | i think maybe you need to read up on linux server admin .. these aren't koha questions |
| 08:43 | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/h[…]nux-or-unix-oses/ | |
| 09:23 | ohhh 11metre waves in the harbour | |
| 09:24 | kf | ugh |
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| 09:25 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 09:26 | i've some questions about search in koha | |
| 09:26 | date of publishing is linked to field 210$d and 305 (we use Unimarc): how can we delete the field 305? I suppose it's in zebra | |
| 09:26 | we would like to make research on the date of record creation: is it possible (and how?) | |
| 09:31 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:31 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.3°C (11:30 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:36 | magnuse | kf: freezing? |
| 09:37 | @wunder boo | |
| 09:37 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:44 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 09:44 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.03 in 983 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:44 | rangi | that doesnt sound too bad |
| 09:45 | then you read this | |
| 09:46 | Power is out to more than 25,000 homes across Wellington and a ferry has broken loose from its moorings as one of the worst storm in decades batters the region. | |
| 09:46 | All flights, ferries and train services in and out of the capital are cancelled tonight. | |
| 09:47 | The Kaitaki ferry in Wellington harbour has broken its moorings, and staff were unable to bring it back into berth. An Interislander spokeswoman said the ship had been anchored in the harbour temporarily. | |
| 09:47 | thats a big ferry too | |
| 09:48 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Kaitaki | |
| 09:48 | kf | :( |
| 09:48 | rangi | its ok, they will just have to keep the engines going all night |
| 09:48 | kf | we are supposed to get some big thunderstorms too today, tomorrow |
| 09:48 | rangi | i think no passengers |
| 09:49 | kf | really weird weather |
| 09:49 | rangi | not like this one |
| 09:49 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEV_Wahine | |
| 09:50 | kf | she has quite a history |
| 09:50 | rangi | ppl are sayyin the storm reminds them of the one that sunk the wahine |
| 09:50 | kf | talk like that is not good |
| 09:50 | let's hope it doesn't sink | |
| 09:51 | rangi | well the difference is kaitaki is in hte harbour, has stabilisers and no passengers |
| 09:51 | the wahine tried to come into the harbour when it shouldnt have and hit rocks | |
| 09:53 | magnuse | ouch |
| 09:54 | rangi | samueld: you probably have to change the record.abs file and reindex |
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| 11:36 | liw | rangi, eek! |
| 11:37 | alex_a | :) |
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| 12:06 | khall | mornin all! |
| 12:07 | kf | morning khall :) |
| 12:07 | khall | rangi et al: are the isbn and issn fields in import_biblios vestigial? I had thought they were used for record matching, but that seems to be done using the marc only |
| 12:08 | mornin kf! | |
| 12:09 | kf | khall: it's suing zebra for matching |
| 12:09 | so i'd thing the table columsn are probably only to ease searching/identifying? | |
| 12:10 | khall | kf: that's what I thought, but I'm not sure that is the case really |
| 12:10 | if you look at C4::Matcher::get_matches it's doing a marc search | |
| 12:11 | I'm trying to improve the isbn matching | |
| 12:11 | right now if I am correct, it only matches on the exact same set of isbn's in the exact same order. | |
| 12:12 | kf | it certainly needs zebra to work |
| 12:12 | and if you don't wait for the index to catch up, you have problems | |
| 12:12 | that is my experience ;) | |
| 12:12 | khall | I've written a sub to normalize all the isbns in a record ( stripping them down to raw, valid isbns without any cruft ) and storing that in the biblio.isbn and import_biblios.isbn fields, but it's not helping |
| 12:13 | hmm, maybe I need to reindex | |
| 12:13 | magnuse | see also bug 6590 :-) |
| 12:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio |
| 12:14 | khall | magnuse: I wish I'd seen this earlier! Thanks! |
| 12:14 | * khall | needs to ask about stuff before starting any development |
| 12:14 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 12:17 | khall | however, I'm going a but further. I'm stripping all non isbn stuff out so "08-77-790-019 (black leather)" would become "0877790019" |
| 12:18 | it works, but it looks like I'll have to modify the fields within the record itself, which I was hoping to avoid | |
| 12:18 | howoever, it looks like 6590 might help here, with a bit of modification | |
| 12:21 | looking at the code, that is an interesting solution. I'd never have though to use xsl | |
| 12:43 | samueld | another question (now of display): is it possible to delete Current location or Home Library of a detailed record? |
| 12:44 | i suppose it's a question of xsl | |
| 12:47 | kf | khall: hm have you looked at business:isbn? |
| 12:47 | khall | kf: yeah, that's what I'm using! |
| 12:47 | kf | oh alright :) |
| 12:47 | bit hectic here - starting a webinar in a few minutes :) | |
| 12:47 | khall | we can do all the exact same stuff with issn too afterward |
| 12:48 | kf | khall: those are not indexed |
| 12:48 | you'd need to make the index right i think | |
| 12:49 | khall | seems like they'd have to be for the matcher to work on issn |
| 12:50 | samueld: it may be easier to hide with jquery than it would be to remove if from the xsl file | |
| 12:51 | kf | khall: i would think that you'd need to have the right forms in the record or use dom with some xsl ... but then you can't use business:isbn... |
| 12:52 | not sure what's the best way here - but it coudl also be invalid isbn by the way | |
| 12:52 | sometimes they print a wrong isbn on a book | |
| 12:52 | there are fields in marc21 for those | |
| 12:52 | samueld | khall: if i understand, i need to use jquery but at which level? In which file should i use jquery? |
| 12:52 | khall | kf: take a look at the patch for 6590 |
| 12:53 | kf | khall: can't right now - maybe later |
| 12:53 | khall | samueld: you would put it in opacuserjs |
| 12:53 | kf | samueld: look in the system preferences |
| 12:53 | you should never change files ever. that's the first rule :) | |
| 12:53 | khall | you can parse the url to know if you should even run the code to hide it |
| 12:54 | jcamins | college_networks-- |
| 12:54 | This is not security, this is absurdity. | |
| 12:54 | samueld | ok |
| 12:55 | khall | a man has a problem, he needs to hide some data on the details page, he says "I know! I'll edit he xsl file!", now that man has 2 problems. |
| 12:55 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:56 | khall | security through absurdity still sounds better than security though obscurity ; ) |
| 12:58 | jcamins | khall: it does until you try it. |
| 12:58 | Hint to network administrators everywhere: Netscape is no longer used. | |
| 12:58 | khall | ha! |
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| 13:06 | jcamins | khall: the way to handle ISBN/ISSN matching would be to include a normalized ISBN/ISSN in the Zebra indexes. |
| 13:06 | Less work for you. ;) | |
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| 13:19 | magnuse | jcamins, khall: and people seem to agree on bug 6590 that we should not change what cataloguers entered before storing it in the record, or at least that is how i remember it |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6590 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Removing hyphens from isbn and issn when cataloging a biblio |
| 13:19 | magnuse | so having a noramlized isbn *somewhere* for the indexing sounds like a good idea |
| 13:20 | jcamins | magnuse: that's why including the normalized ISBN/ISSN in the indexes is less work. |
| 13:21 | magnuse | yup |
| 13:22 | khall | jcamins: yes I would tend to agree with that |
| 13:27 | Viktor | Can I ask a OT question since you guys are my best international library related network? What would you think that a person with the title "Head of the Regional Library Department" does for a living? |
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| 13:28 | jcamins | Viktor: sit in meetings. |
| 13:28 | Viktor | jcamins Quite correct ;) |
| 13:29 | jcamins | I'd interpret it as being a fairly senior position. |
| 13:30 | Managing lots of libraries. | |
| 13:31 | Wow, I am impressed. | |
| 13:32 | I am using a Voyager catalog, and you know how we thought "ew" five years ago? Apparently we had no idea. | |
| 13:33 | Viktor | jcamins Sound's like it communicates the right thing. Thanks! |
| 13:37 | Now I'm interested. Voyager isn't on my radar. Nice surprise or five years making it even more outdated? | |
| 13:37 | jcamins | Viktor: they "updated" it, and removed all the labels from the search results. |
| 13:37 | Along with authors. | |
| 13:38 | Viktor | What - no authors? That's a fairly weird move... |
| 13:38 | jcamins | I know! |
| 13:38 | It's also even uglier. | |
| 13:38 | Instead of looking out-of-date, to my eye it now just looks tacky. | |
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| 13:39 | Viktor | Do you have a URL? I have to see this :) |
| 13:40 | jcamins | Wait, that's kind of weird. |
| 13:40 | That's the URL I started at, but a different interface. | |
| 13:41 | Ah-ha. The disastrous interface is just in the call number browse. | |
| 13:41 | Other than that, it mostly just looks out of date, and the same as it did five years ago. | |
| 13:42 | No... | |
| 13:42 | Viktor | Well I'd say hideous. Looks like 1997... |
| 13:42 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, definitely hideous. But that's what I anticipated. |
| 13:43 | The absence of authors in the results view is a bit annoying, though. | |
| 13:43 | Argh! | |
| 13:43 | Also, they apparently can't handle paging in multiple tabs. | |
| 13:43 | Viktor | The last one looks quite a bit better. And does seem to give me authors at free search at least. |
| 13:44 | jcamins | Yeah, I guess it's just the call number browse which is unusable. |
| 13:44 | Viktor | Aha - now I see it! |
| 13:45 | Call number browse not looking very helpful :) | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | But with the call number browse, if it weren't for the fact that I recognize almost every single book in the 'Z's, it would be entirely useless. |
| 13:46 | Viktor | And it's not just the search results. I'd have thought that authors were displayed when looking at a particular book but it seems not. |
| 13:47 | I guess not even the librarians implementing the system used call number browse very much :) | |
| 13:47 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 13:47 | Apparently not. | |
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| 13:50 | Viktor | Does anyone have a nice "last headlines and first 150 characters on the blog" widget to share? I've been checking the web but it seems like the kind of search that makes me wade through spam sites and homemade scripts... |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Viktor: I had a lot of trouble finding something that did that. |
| 13:51 | I ended up writing my own. | |
| 13:51 | Though it wasn't really for a blog. | |
| 13:51 | Viktor | jcamins Good question. Our public libraries don't seem to think so. And I used to mourn the lack of usage of databases when I was the IT-librarian at a public library. |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Viktor: I'm spending the morning in a college library, which means I fall under their site license. |
| 13:52 | Viktor | Is it on Github or such? I've been thinking about something like that with a Python script that outputs html to import into the Opac. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Viktor: I'm not sure where I have a copy of that code, actually... |
| 13:53 | I'll take a look around, see if I can find it. | |
| 13:53 | I don't use it anymore. | |
| 13:53 | Viktor | jcamins Thanks. It's no big deal but it would be great with a few such boxes on the opac at go live this autumn. |
| 13:54 | jcamins And if you don't find it thats an excuse for me to code a bit :D | |
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| 13:57 | Viktor | Let it also be known that bgkriegel provides swift and competent support even when you make newbie errors. Thanks for that :) |
| 13:57 | And hi drojf | |
| 13:57 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Viktor: translating on Pootle? :) |
| 13:57 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012) |
| 13:58 | Viktor | jcamins Yep. I have a company doing offline translation for 3.12 staff interface and they did a few things not quite ok with quotes that I didn't catch. |
| 13:58 | drojf | hi Viktor. you have been looking for me? |
| 13:59 | Viktor | drojf Yes. Didn't we talk about dictionaries as a byproduct of translation a while back? |
| 13:59 | drojf | yes we did |
| 14:00 | Viktor | drojf The translators started an excel file that looks like it might be something in that direction. It's just a few lines as of now but if you want to have a look and find it useful I can ask them to keep building on it. |
| 14:01 | drojf | yes that would be cool |
| 14:02 | Viktor | drojf Trying to send it using "send file" in IRC. |
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| 14:05 | drojf | Viktor: i don't think that works in the university network, i sent you a direct message |
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| 14:15 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 14:15 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 32.4°C (4:13 PM CEST on June 20, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:15 | * drojf | awaits the promised rain |
| 14:15 | drojf | and hail and thunderstorm :D |
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| 14:28 | Viktor | I wish you all a great midsummer! (one of the biggest national holidays here in Sweden for those not in the know.) |
| 14:43 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]563c16dabcb4e6c8b> |
| 14:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1265 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 15:06 | adam_m | I have a question about making labels, nothing really to do with koha itself, but what kind of paper or tape or whatever would anyone suggest for putting barcodes onto books? |
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| 15:14 | bgkriegel | tcohen? |
| 15:14 | wahanui | tcohen is 122 |
| 15:15 | tcohen | i'm sorry, i'm writing my birthday email for my friends :-P |
| 15:15 | bbl | |
| 15:15 | bgkriegel | ok :) |
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| 15:29 | librarygeekadam | Greetings! I have a quick question and would appreciate any answer or information anyone can provide. We are in the process of planning out a digital archives and possible institutional repository. Is koha capable of handling dublin core and other formats of metadata? Is koha able to handle document or media files or at least be able to pull up the file if we provide the path? |
| 15:31 | jcamins | 1) As of today, you would need to convert your other metadata into brief MARC records, and, 2) the OPAC can link to external resources and embed HTML5 audio/video. |
| 15:31 | One of the RM's goals is to add support for other types of metadata. | |
| 15:32 | (but I wouldn't rely on that being in 3.14 until I saw it was in 3.14) | |
| 15:33 | librarygeekadam | @jcamins do you know if using koha as a repository is something that is being discussed for future development? |
| 15:33 | huginn | librarygeekadam: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:34 | pianohacker | librarygeekadam: That was our bot. He saw the @ and thought you were asking him to do something :) |
| 15:35 | jcamins | librarygeekadam: not really. There is a development to make it possible to upload files to attach to records, but in terms of turning Koha into a document management system, I think most people would rather use a system specifically designed for that, like Kete. |
| 15:40 | drojf | somebody closed the wrong window ;) |
| 15:41 | bgkriegel | bye |
| 15:41 | * jcamins | wanders off as well to see if there's anyone interesting in the English department. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | (visiting my alma mater) |
| 15:42 | drojf | have fun |
| 15:42 | * drojf | opens up a real book. made out of paper. strange stuff |
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| 16:09 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10010 - Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor | |
| 16:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10010 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use jQueryUI Accordion to display constraints in MARC subfield editor |
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| 16:46 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:52 | nengard | is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored |
| 16:59 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:48 | nengard | anyone koha if there is there a way from the command line to overlay records I'm importing based on the isbn match? the docs seem to say if it finds an isbn match then the one i'm importing is ignored |
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| 18:04 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:05 | Thanks for the conversation yesterday, everyone. I think we'll finally end up determining how to deal with policy and technology to handle our scenarios in a meeting in the near future. :) | |
| 18:06 | While I'm thinking of it. Is it possible to access the staff client for only searching the catalogue? | |
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| 18:08 | drojf | mtompset: you mean allow only searching the catalogue? |
| 18:09 | mtompset | without affecting the catalogue or acquistions or other system settings, etc. |
| 18:09 | Yes. | |
| 18:10 | drojf | i don't know the permissions too well but you can turn off a lot in there |
| 18:14 | mtompset | That's what I need to test. Because if I just give a user staff client access, what can they do with it? |
| 18:15 | pianohacker | mtompset: Very little, the base "catalogue" permission allows access to a very small minimum |
| 18:16 | mtompset | because right now the difference between staff and OPAC clients in terms of searching hidden items is what I'm thinking about. |
| 18:17 | pianohacker | that would be an easy way of solving your problem. Look for the flagsrequired line in the various .pl scripts to see what permissions are required for certain tasks |
| 18:17 | catalogue, for instance, does not allow access to any patron information | |
| 18:21 | mtompset | Hmmm... flagsrequired. Good idea, pianohacker. |
| 18:21 | pianohacker++ | |
| 18:42 | BTW, greetings drojf and pianohacker. :) | |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | hey mtompset :) |
| 18:57 | sunspot | hi all, alex from 30suns.com, I logged in last night and was told things may be more active at other times so I'm back :) |
| 18:58 | pianohacker | oh crap somebody wants help! run away |
| 18:58 | ;) What's your question? | |
| 18:58 | sunspot | pianohacker: :) |
| 18:59 | we are hoping to find a developer or two to partner with to integrate our status reporting with Koha | |
| 19:00 | the basic idea is that 30suns lets you easily report all service incidents to a service health dashboard | |
| 19:00 | e.g., http://30suns.com/amazonaws/ | |
| 19:00 | and we think librarians are our natural allies, we imagine they like to keep track of things :) | |
| 19:00 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 19:02 | sunspot | is this channel a good place to find people that might be interested in collaborating on that? |
| 19:04 | pianohacker | sunspot: My advice would be to create a bug on the community bug tracker http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ describing what you have in mind, and mark "Change sponsored?" as "Seeking developer" |
| 19:04 | then post to the Koha mailing list | |
| 19:05 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha | |
| 19:07 | sunspot | oh my, that is a rather large database of bugs LOL |
| 19:07 | pianohacker | hahahaha yeah |
| 19:07 | gmcharlt | we've also been around for a while :) |
| 19:08 | pianohacker | We only just made it into the 10,000s, whereas Mozilla has been in the 100,000s for a while now :) |
| 19:10 | drojf | sunspot: that's a large number of incidents too :P |
| 19:13 | sunspot | drojf: indeed :) |
| 19:17 | would the koha project be interested in a free account for tracking the project's various services, websites, etc? | |
| 19:18 | pianohacker | hmmm. That would be an excellent thing to mention in your email :) |
| 19:20 | Is anyone here familiar with real-world use of the calendar module? The precedence rules currently put weekday-holidays above yearly-holidays, which seems a bit bass-ackwards, but I can preserve that if it's important | |
| 19:20 | sunspot | I'd like to avoid sending a spammy email to a public mailing list |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | True. We appreciate that |
| 19:24 | ibeardslee | sunspot: is your speel for an open source product? |
| 19:26 | sunspot | ibeardslee: our integration libraries will all be open source, yes |
| 19:26 | ibeardslee: we're working with a number of OSS players in various communities to develop integration points to make it really easy to report incidents on a dashboard | |
| 19:26 | ibeardslee | good to know |
| 19:47 | rangi | hmm no fence |
| 19:52 | sunspot | rangi++ on your handle: http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]ne.php?term=rangi |
| 19:53 | rangi: I assume it refers to #3 ;) | |
| 19:53 | koha is from new zealand right? | |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | umm. I'd never thought of that. Is sunspot right? |
| 19:53 | rangi: also, fence? | |
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| 19:57 | rangi | pianohacker: http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]e-a-freight-train |
| 19:57 | sunspot: yep and yep | |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | oh crap! You okay? |
| 19:57 | rangi | yeah, the house is fine, and we didnt lose power |
| 19:58 | lost a fence, collected a bit of someone elses roof | |
| 19:58 | sunspot | rangi: wow, seriously fierce storm ... any service incidents you need to report? LOL ;) |
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| 20:05 | rangi | sunspot: so far all my systems are still up :) |
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| 20:12 | drojf | large thunderstorm coming up |
| 20:12 | i hope we don't do the roof exchange thing | |
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| 20:34 | mtompset | Oh sucky! liblibrary-callnumber-lc-perl in Ubuntu is an earlier version. |
| 20:41 | gmcharlt | mtompset: sadly, yes |
| 20:42 | mtompset | Can't you change the required number to 0.20? |
| 20:42 | I read the change log, and it doesn't seem to make much difference. | |
| 20:43 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Library::... changelog" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/77 |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | mtompset: there's no functional difference, but the change introduced in 0.21 fixes a log-spew |
| 20:43 | mtompset | Oh, there's a log spew in the Ubuntu version as a result? |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | the "for qw(a b c)" construct that it used to used is deprecated in the version of the Perl that's packaged with Precise |
| 20:44 | mtompset | Does the license allow for us to provide the 0.22 on koha repos? |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | there's no licensing bar to doing that, though I'm not sure how the package powers that be would feel about operating a (very partial) precise-backports tree |
| 20:47 | maybe file a bug or do whatever to ask ubuntu to port 0.22 to precise-backports? | |
| 20:47 | mtompset | why a precise-backports? |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | 0.22 *is* packaged for quantal |
| 20:47 | jcamins | I imagine that eythian would object to something that adds work for him for no real benefit. |
| 20:48 | mtompset | Oh bug report with ubuntu. |
| 20:48 | gmcharlt | right |
| 20:48 | jcamins | Well, package maintainer. |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu[…]esting_a_Backport |
| 20:49 | looks like they provide a requestbackport script | |
| 20:51 | or try request a SRU (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates), though I get the impression from reading it that they set the bar higher | |
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| 21:48 | wizzyrea | hehe ^^ what they said |
| 21:48 | rangi | https://twitter.com/philbilbro[…]47639198133665792 |
| 21:48 | ibeardslee | one of those things about hardship, brings people closer |
| 21:48 | pianohacker | hahahahaha |
| 21:48 | rangi | https://twitter.com/robhosking[…]47636895267840000 |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | it flickered quite a lot in newtown but never went out |
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| 21:48 | wizzyrea | yeah the trampoline memes were quite funny last night |
| 21:49 | wodas | hello. |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | seems everyone who has a trampoline had some drama surrounding it |
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| 21:49 | ibeardslee | I had flickering in j'ville, but Newlands was dark when I drove in this morning |
| 21:49 | rangi | yeah, still about 28k houses without power |
| 21:50 | they lost the north south link last night | |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | ? |
| 21:50 | wodas | i have a feature question concerning koha, is anyone in the mood to help me? |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | yea that was a bit crazy |
| 21:50 | ask? | |
| 21:50 | wahanui | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 21:50 | :) | |
| 21:50 | wodas | 'kay. ^^ |
| 21:51 | rangi | pianohacker: http://www.systemoperator.co.n[…]r-system-overview |
| 21:51 | wodas | so i'm testing Koha at the moment. used the demos on the community page. |
| 21:51 | and i was wondering about the "submit" buttons | |
| 21:51 | rangi | pianohacker: that HVDC transfer, was down last night, powere in the norht island spiked to 600$ ish, and it got to 0.05 in the south island |
| 21:52 | wodas | i have no barcode reader here, but i wondered if you really always have to press submit or hit "enter" when you fill in a barcode somewhere |
| 21:52 | rangi | not if your barcode reader sends an enter |
| 21:52 | pianohacker | phew, yeah, nice little dip in http://www.systemoperator.co.nz/daily-reporting |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | how would koha know you were ready to submit? |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | most barcode scanners can be configured to sent an "Enter" key or not after a barcode |
| 21:53 | wodas | well, i'm used in commercial solutions. they recognize it with the length of the barcode. |
| 21:53 | rangi | pianohacker: otoh its pretty cool we can see all that stuff |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | We usually had that on for circ desk staff and off for catalogers, for instance |
| 21:53 | rangi: That really is. Yay transparency :) | |
| 21:54 | cait | wodas: i don't know about commercial |
| 21:54 | rangi | wodas: you mean proprietary, theres nothing inherently commercial or non commercial about koha |
| 21:54 | cait | but I think in ILS sending a return at the end is pretty comon |
| 21:54 | i know 3 ILS that work that way at least :) | |
| 21:54 | rangi | but yeah, just tell the scanner to send a return, problem solved |
| 21:54 | wodas | Ok, so i'm used to a rather exotic piece of software. ^^ |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | wodas: If reconfiguring your barcode scanners isn't an option, you _could_ write a bit of JavaScript to automatically submit once a certain number of digits have been entered |
| 21:55 | cait | if you scan into a text file and all barcodes turn out on a new line... than your scanner might be configured to do it already |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | that requires you or someone you pay knowing JS, though |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | I think they said they don't have a scanner |
| 21:55 | wodas | i do. @ piano hacker |
| 21:55 | cait | hm could you just press enter instead of clicking it? |
| 21:55 | there is also an enter on the numpad | |
| 21:56 | wodas | and it was more a theoretical question. |
| 21:56 | i'm used to serve people with lots of media at once, scanning 20 barcodes and stuff. i would go mad, if i always had to press some button or hit enter. :D | |
| 21:57 | pianohacker | so the answer is no, but you could make it behave the way you expect by either fiddling with your scanner or JavaScript |
| 21:57 | wodas | Ok. :) |
| 21:57 | pianohacker | best of luck looking through the demos, hope you like what you see :) |
| 21:58 | wodas | So thanks for your answers, all of you, i was just wondering if i missed sth. |
| 21:58 | And yeah i like Koha, only this issue astonished me somehow. | |
| 21:58 | Good night guys! | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | if you were to add such a thing you might consider adding your code to the |
| 21:58 | pianohacker | and yeah. I didn't appreciate until I had to help out at the front desk one day how big a difference shaving two or three clicks off could make |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | jquery library? |
| 21:58 | wahanui | i heard jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | you can stash the javascript directly in the intranetuserjs system preference |
| 21:59 | rangi | if you are typing barcodes you have much bigger problems |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | as described in that wiki page |
| 21:59 | ^^ what he said | |
| 21:59 | rangi | get a scanner that sends an enter |
| 21:59 | because you will typo things, its a guaranteed certainty | |
| 22:00 | pianohacker | I wonder if they have the barcode-programmable Metrologic; those things are everywhere |
| 22:00 | rangi | you are really hard pressed to buy a scanner that isnt programmable |
| 22:00 | and that costs more than 30$ | |
| 22:01 | unless you get one of those fancy bluetooth ones | |
| 22:01 | pianohacker | O_o $30? Most reputable scanners I've seen are in the ~$150 range |
| 22:01 | rangi | really? |
| 22:01 | wahanui | really is off now |
| 22:02 | rangi | i bought a usb one for $30 nz about 2 months ago |
| 22:02 | someone is getting ripped off :) | |
| 22:02 | * pianohacker | would be quite happy to be proven wrong! :) |
| 22:02 | pianohacker | do you have a link? |
| 22:04 | rangi | it was from dick smiths and their website is balls |
| 22:04 | but looking at priceme looks like from $90-8000 nzd range :) | |
| 22:04 | pianohacker | yup, that sounds right! |
| 22:05 | cait | i think the prices dropped a bit since i last checked :) |
| 22:05 | ibeardslee | https://www.ascent.co.nz/produ[…]spx?ItemID=411064 |
| 22:05 | rangi | yep thatd be about 45us |
| 22:06 | pianohacker | hrm, that's a CCD scanner though |
| 22:06 | I guess the laser ones might be the more expensive ones | |
| 22:06 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:06 | and the ones with network connectivity | |
| 22:07 | but still, even at 500 say for a super fancy one | |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | for 8000 nzd you better get lazars (with a z!), bluetooth, wifi and a goddamn pet hair removal comb |
| 22:07 | rangi | you'll save that back in about a week |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | the expensive ones scan 2d barcodes :P |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | fine, a 2d pet hair removal comb |
| 22:09 | ibeardslee | for the 2d/QR barcodes .. is it worth putting effort in getting a cheap android camera phone with barcode scanner? |
| 22:09 | rangi | they are slllloooow |
| 22:09 | the phones | |
| 22:09 | cait | hm we got a bit of a storm now |
| 22:09 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 22:09 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 17.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on June 21, 2013). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:09 | rangi | that would be fine for a mobile library or somethign tho, but not at a circ desk |
| 22:10 | pianohacker | does anyone know if metrologic's scanners are still good after their acquisition by honeywell? I used to recommend metrologic to anyone |
| 22:10 | cait | drizzle. |
| 22:10 | ineresting | |
| 22:10 | rangi | pianohacker: no idea |
| 22:10 | most of my libraries are moving to rfid | |
| 22:10 | not buying new scanners | |
| 22:10 | cait | we don't really recommend hardware |
| 22:11 | pianohacker | rangi: makes sense. prices come down for that in the past few years? |
| 22:11 | the tags were never horrible, but scanners were expensive and a massive pita to set up | |
| 22:11 | rangi | naw, still ridiculous |
| 22:11 | self check? | |
| 22:11 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DJ2xyD0wU4 |
| 22:12 | rangi | but that doesnt stop ppl spending money on them |
| 22:12 | cait | heh |
| 22:12 | true | |
| 22:12 | rangi | actually the return chutes are the rort |
| 22:12 | they have no redeeming features | |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | I know what it'll be but I still click on it every time |
| 22:12 | rangi | because you have to rescan every anyway |
| 22:12 | pianohacker: have you seen the marc one? | |
| 22:13 | cait | we should use more marc. |
| 22:13 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | yea, every place I've been to they still have to do lot of human processing, it's never as fully automatic as people wish, and for the cost they could probably hire a couple people to do the job. |
| 22:13 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | rangi: hehe, now I have |
| 22:13 | rangi | checkout i can get behind |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | ok getting ready to brave the cold and wander towards work |
| 22:14 | rangi | but i cant get behind automated return chutes |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | it seems not so awful |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | yeah, properly set-up rfid self-check/front desk is pretty amazingly smooth |
| 22:15 | do you still have to poke random Sanskrit down a serial port to get those things to work? | |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | more or less |
| 22:15 | rangi | cant get behind that |
| 22:15 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-eJQ1mTVzA |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 22:18 | rangi | pianohacker: did you know you can make a 3m machine reboot |
| 22:18 | if you send it a checkout succeeded message | |
| 22:18 | without a due date | |
| 22:18 | cjh | heh |
| 22:18 | pianohacker | heh, yup, I remember that |
| 22:18 | rangi | i didnt until last wednesday |
| 22:19 | cjh | stable as. |
| 22:19 | pianohacker | those things are poorly-documented barely-duct-taped-together messes of crap |
| 22:23 | plur joined #koha | |
| 22:29 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period). |
| 22:30 | pianohacker | I'm going to sign in from a relay through the mars reconnaissance orbiter tomorrow, that'll show mtompset |
| 22:30 | rangi | heh |
| 22:33 | gmcharlt | devs... in.... spaaaaace! |
| 22:37 | eythian | pianohacker: I used to talk to Australia via a radio data link that bounced off the Mir space station :) |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | that's awesome! |
| 22:41 | bag | yeah that's pretty cool :) |
| 22:41 | plur joined #koha | |
| 22:42 | eythian | https://twitter.com/DomPost/st[…]717770241/photo/1 <-- sucks to be that person |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | "... just imagine you're pulling out of a _really tight_ parallel spot Jimmy" |
| 22:44 | ibeardslee | http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/in[…]ught-in-the-slips |
| 23:06 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 23:06 | bgkriegel? | |
| 23:06 | wahanui | bgkriegel is on a signoff spree |
| 23:06 | bgkriegel | hi |
| 23:06 | tcohen | lets' tackle rangi |
| 23:07 | bgkriegel | ok |
| 23:07 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 23:08 | rangi | heya :) |
| 23:08 | tcohen | gotcha |
| 23:08 | do u have time to talk to us about the release task? | |
| 23:08 | rangi | yep |
| 23:09 | so what you want to do is clone this git://git.koha-community.org/release-tools.git | |
| 23:09 | eythian | heh "Lost: TV Antenna. $5 reward." |
| 23:10 | tcohen | got it |
| 23:10 | rangi | then to build the release notes |
| 23:10 | bgkriegel | yep |
| 23:10 | rangi | in your up to date 3.10.x or 3.12.x branch |
| 23:11 | run something like this | |
| 23:12 | ../release-tools/get_bugs.pl --version 3.10.07 -t v3.10.06 | |
| 23:13 | that will make your your 3.10.07 release notes | |
| 23:13 | git add, git commit them | |
| 23:13 | next .. bgkriegel you need to set up pull requests or at least branches for 3.10.x and 3.12.x with the updated po files to merge in | |
| 23:14 | bgkriegel | mmm, No usable version at ../release-tools/get_bugs.pl line 93. |
| 23:14 | yes | |
| 23:14 | rangi | bgkriegel: type git tag |
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| 23:14 | rangi | do you see a v3.10.06 tag? |
| 23:15 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 23:15 | rangi | hmm |
| 23:15 | bgkriegel | ah my mistake, I miss a 0 |
| 23:15 | rangi | :) |
| 23:16 | you probably want to check and edit the release notes if you notice any mistakes | |
| 23:16 | tcohen | "0 features" |
| 23:17 | rangi | actually i was using the jcamins branch not master |
| 23:17 | to do the release notes | |
| 23:18 | tcohen | that was on gitorious? |
| 23:18 | rangi | lemme see what difference it makes |
| 23:18 | no on koha-community just not master | |
| 23:18 | oh the master ones look okish | |
| 23:18 | just id remove the new features bit | |
| 23:19 | before pushing the notes | |
| 23:19 | id hope a bugfix release would have no new features :) | |
| 23:19 | so once those notes look ok | |
| 23:19 | and once you have the updated po files | |
| 23:20 | the step i forgot to do last time | |
| 23:20 | is edit kohaversion.pl and updatedatabase.pl | |
| 23:20 | to bump the version number | |
| 23:20 | pianohacker | bye all. Stay safe, nz |
| 23:21 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/kf61rN0.jpg <-- path of the Kaitaki ferry last night. |
| 23:21 | rangi | heh |
| 23:21 | awesome | |
| 23:21 | bgkriegel/tcohen: with me so far? | |
| 23:21 | tcohen | yes |
| 23:21 | bgkriegel | yes, all ok |
| 23:22 | rangi | awesome |
| 23:22 | tcohen | syn_rcvd |
| 23:22 | rangi | then you can push those |
| 23:22 | or you can tag first and then push | |
| 23:22 | to tag i do | |
| 23:23 | git tag -a v3.08.12 -s -m 'Koha release 3.8.12' | |
| 23:23 | for example | |
| 23:23 | then you need to do a push with --tags | |
| 23:23 | once that is done, you are ready to roll the release | |
| 23:24 | to do that i do | |
| 23:24 | ../release-tools/roll_release.sh 3.8.12 3.8.x | |
| 23:24 | Numbers changed according | |
| 23:24 | the 3.8.x is the name of your localbranch | |
| 23:25 | then you will end up with | |
| 23:25 | a releases dir | |
| 23:25 | that contains | |
| 23:25 | koha-3.8.12.tar.gz | |
| 23:25 | and the MD5 and sig files etc too | |
| 23:25 | so you then go | |
| 23:26 | scp releases/koha-3.10.06.tar.gz* bugs.koha-community.org:/home/uploads/files/ | |
| 23:26 | actually ill need to make users for you, 2 secs | |
| 23:26 | bgkriegel | was about to ask :) |
| 23:27 | tcohen | what about signing those packages? |
| 23:27 | and evne the commit? | |
| 23:27 | rangi | feel free to cp your ssh keys up |
| 23:27 | tcohen | i mean, the tag |
| 23:27 | rangi | yes the -s will sign it |
| 23:28 | it will prompt for you gpg passphrase | |
| 23:28 | and the roll release will sign the tarballs | |
| 23:28 | bgkriegel | got it |
| 23:29 | rangi | and dont worry theres nothing you can do ,that i cant undo :-) |
| 23:29 | except sending out the release announcement that is :) | |
| 23:29 | so if you make a mistake lemme know and we can fix it up | |
| 23:29 | bgkriegel | good :-) |
| 23:30 | tcohen | ok, in |
| 23:30 | good to know rangi | |
| 23:31 | rangi | the next thing you might want to do is ping eythian when you are ready |
| 23:31 | and he can make new .deb | |
| 23:32 | then you can do an announce when they are ready, or you can announce and say .deb will follow soon | |
| 23:32 | depends on if he has time or not | |
| 23:32 | but the announcement is the last thing | |
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| 23:32 | rangi | how i do it |
| 23:32 | tcohen | anything special about including the latest translations? |
| 23:32 | rangi | nope just merge them in |
| 23:33 | tcohen | is there a commit message for that? |
| 23:33 | rangi | i cut and paste the release notes from gitweb |
| 23:33 | normally the TM does something like | |
| 23:33 | 'Translation updates for 3.10.14' | |
| 23:33 | etc | |
| 23:34 | tcohen | i've never merged from a second external repo |
| 23:34 | rangi | oh |
| 23:34 | git fetch remotename | |
| 23:34 | git merge remotename/branch | |
| 23:34 | is how i do it | |
| 23:34 | cait | night all |
| 23:34 | wahanui | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
| 23:34 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:34 | tcohen | night cair |
| 23:35 | rangi | i go to |
| 23:35 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7701a3b7ae01947a3 | |
| 23:35 | then make sure its utf-8 | |
| 23:36 | and cut and paste into an email, and into a post on koha-community.org | |
| 23:36 | with some other words at the top :) | |
| 23:36 | tcohen | yes :-D |
| 23:37 | bgkriegel | tcohen: time to update your notes :-) |
| 23:38 | tcohen | indeed |
| 23:38 | was about to do it | |
| 23:38 | wizzyrea | suppressing on order records from the opac, I know people have done it |
| 23:38 | does anyone have a strategy? | |
| 23:38 | bgkriegel | thank you rangi :) |
| 23:38 | tcohen | thanks rangi |
| 23:39 | rangi | no worries |
| 23:41 | tcohen | rangi, where should we host a translations repo? |
| 23:43 | rangi | there is one set up for you already |
| 23:43 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ons.git;a=summary | |
| 23:43 | lemme just give bgkriegel push rights to that | |
| 23:44 | bgkriegel | ok |
| 23:44 | rangi | this is for a fresh repo that only has the .po files eh? |
| 23:45 | done | |
| 23:45 | you should be able to push to that repo now | |
| 23:45 | bgkriegel | same structure as in pootle? |
| 23:45 | rangi | that would make sense to me |
| 23:46 | then you could cron pootle to push to it nightly | |
| 23:46 | for backup purposes | |
| 23:46 | bgkriegel | ok :) |
| 23:46 | drojf | rangi: is that talk something that you enjoy giving each time or should i put that somewhere else than my own wiki? :) |
| 23:47 | (i copied it for me to read so i maybe understand what you were talking about when i am awake;( | |
| 23:47 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:47 | drojf | ;) |
| 23:48 | tcohen | release maintenance? |
| 23:48 | wahanui | i think release maintenance is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lease_maintenance |
| 23:48 | tcohen | ^^^ it will be there when you're awake |
| 23:48 | drojf | alright :D |
| 23:49 | eythian | wahanui: startup is http://itsthisforthat.com/ |
| 23:49 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 23:50 | * tcohen | goes to try the merge thing, which is still not sure he understands |
| 23:51 | BobB | hey rangi, hey eythian, you guys got hammered overnight |
| 23:52 | we hope everyone is OK? | |
| 23:52 | eythian | we did a fair bit |
| 23:52 | BobB | shades of '68 |
| 23:52 | eythian | yeah, kathryn is stuck, no roads, ferries, or power out her way. But that's the worst of it from us. |
| 23:52 | BobB: apparently higher winds than in 68 | |
| 23:52 | wizzyrea | http://static2.stuff.co.nz/137[…]24494_600x400.jpg < one of the train lines |
| 23:52 | BobB | Well, great news that everyoone is safe. |
| 23:53 | I was in Wellington first time in 1971, and iirc, Wahine was stilll lying in the mouth of Wellington Harbour | |
| 23:54 | eythian | we did have a (big) ferry break loose from its mooring, but they managed to park it safely in the harbour. |
| 23:54 | plur joined #koha | |
| 23:54 | BobB | I can't imagine 200km winds; hope your roofs are still on |
| 23:54 | wizzyrea | oh good they did get it tied down |
| 23:54 | last I heard it was adrift | |
| 23:54 | eythian | wizzyrea: yeah, anchored and attached to a tug I think |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | it would have been... interesting to see that |
| 23:55 | and wow the people who worked on that are brave. | |
| 23:56 | BobB | Well, take care all. |
| 23:58 | bag | heya BobB |
| 23:58 | BobB | hi bag! |
| 23:59 | bag | oh yeah BobB - we submitted the external search thing that I showed you - http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 |
| 23:59 | huginn | 04Bug 10486: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 23:59 | BobB | Wow, very cool! |
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