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| 00:09 | dcook | Interesting campaign in NSW to stop smoking...the idea is that loved ones also pledge to quit something if you quit smoking |
| 00:10 | I don't smoke but giving up vanilla coke and chocolate...perhaps I see where they're coming from... | |
| 00:14 | mtj | i'll give up anchovies and sardines |
| 00:14 | dcook | This -> http://www.canlii.ca/en/blog/i[…]nity-website.html |
| 00:15 | Unfortunately, Canlii is still not an "official" source of the law, so you can't use anything you find in court (if I recall correctly), but it is a rather wonderful site for finding out the law (and then you go to the authoritative source which is identical anyway) | |
| 00:16 | Rather neat idea to provide a community forum for legal experts. Again, it wouldn't be "official" or legal legal advice, but...definitely would help people out | |
| 00:16 | Open source the law! | |
| 00:20 | mtj: I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :p | |
| 00:21 | mtj | dcook, yep… very sarcastic! |
| 00:21 | dcook | Hmm, I thought that might be the case |
| 00:21 | Some people love their fish though? | |
| 00:24 | mtj | ive always been squeamish about seafood, since i was a kid... :) |
| 00:25 | but insects and spiders… yum! | |
| 00:27 | dcook | Spiders? I never thought of that |
| 00:27 | Despite that whole eating spiders in your sleep thing | |
| 00:27 | Personally, I'd like to try out snake | |
| 00:35 | mtj | i remember as a kid, seeing nat-geo pics of people roasting huge hairy spiders wrapped in a big leaf, over a fire |
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| 00:41 | mtj | …a remote bush tribe, somewhere in papua new guinea, i think |
| 00:42 | dcook | Hmm, I suppose you cook it then crack it open? |
| 00:44 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H[…]id_Assistive_Limb | |
| 00:44 | "What are you doing, Dave?" | |
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| 02:28 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 02:28 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of commitment!" (added by jwagner at 04:32 PM, August 19, 2010) |
| 02:43 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 02:44 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009) |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 02:44 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #48: "<sekjal> no, anything I said was my fault" (added by jwagner at 09:52 PM, December 09, 2009) |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 02:44 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #223: "kf: ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster." (added by druthb at 02:06 PM, December 12, 2012) |
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| 03:06 | mtj | gmcharlt, still about? |
| 03:07 | gmcharlt | mtj: yep |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:07 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012) |
| 03:08 | mtj | gmcharlt, how do the #evergreen peeps track marc21 updates? |
| 03:09 | gmcharlt | mtj: effectively, wait until there is a sufficient dull roar of complaints that the tag list is too out of date :/ |
| 03:09 | eythian | ah, same as the Koha method then |
| 03:09 | gmcharlt | pretty much |
| 03:10 | mtj | lol, ok… i just thought i'd ask, in case EG had a better method |
| 03:11 | gmcharlt | sure :) |
| 03:11 | mtj | im curious whether anyone has a machine readable version of the spec… yet |
| 03:11 | …other than scraping the loc website | |
| 03:12 | dcook | mtj: I've been wondering about this too |
| 03:12 | Might not be a bad idea to ask bkriegel | |
| 03:12 | gmcharlt | I'm not aware of anything better than that |
| 03:12 | sort of things where ultimately best thing would be for LC to do it | |
| 03:12 | dcook | As he's been updating the authority frameworks, and I would love to know what he's used as his source of information. It might just be the LoC site, but.. |
| 03:12 | mtj | i'm thinking it might be worth asking the Q, on the code4lib list |
| 03:13 | gmcharlt | dcook: well, short of whatever LC uses internally, it's not going to get more authoritative than the LC website |
| 03:13 | dcook | gmcharlt: Right, but it would be a royal pain to go through every entry |
| 03:13 | I just wonder if there are update digests where a person can see incrementally how the spec has changed over time | |
| 03:13 | mtj | dcook, there are, sort of…. |
| 03:13 | gmcharlt | the way back machine? |
| 03:14 | dcook | mtj: Oh? |
| 03:14 | gmcharlt: That sounds horrible | |
| 03:14 | gmcharlt | to be fair, the LC website does include some change log info on the pages themseves |
| 03:14 | dcook | That bit at the bottom? |
| 03:14 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 03:14 | dcook | Yeah, that is pretty handy |
| 03:15 | eythian | I'm surprised the MARC21 spec isn't published as XML that we can use to make framewords straight from |
| 03:16 | gmcharlt | eythian: your sense of optimism reflected in that statement is refreshing :) |
| 03:16 | eythian | they publish everything else in XML |
| 03:16 | like the language codes that MARC uses | |
| 03:17 | mtj | dcook, actually - i might be wrong there :/ |
| 03:17 | * gmcharlt | suspects that there have been over _2 decades_ worth of ILS vendors and projects asking LC to put the tag, subfield, and value lists in a structured format |
| 03:18 | gmcharlt | language codes and the like being available as XML is (relatively) recent |
| 03:19 | dcook | Where are the language code, etc. XML? |
| 03:19 | mtj | dcook, aah, here we go! -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/status.html |
| 03:19 | eythian | they're linked from whereever the marc spec explains the need for them |
| 03:20 | mtj | … i think thats about as good as it gets |
| 03:20 | eythian | http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ <-- dcook |
| 03:20 | dcook | mtj: Ahhhh! That's totally what I was talking about. |
| 03:20 | Neato | |
| 03:20 | eythian | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html <-- from here |
| 03:21 | dcook | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html |
| 03:21 | And that's a plain text version of what we'd like | |
| 03:21 | Mmm, ish | |
| 03:21 | "This document lists all valid and obsolete data elements that may appear in MARC 21 bibliographic records. It is intended to meet the need for a simple data element list to support MARC system development and online validation of MARC data elements. This listing does not include any descriptions or examples of MARC data elements. Descriptions and examples can be found in the MARC 21 Format for Bibliographic Data." | |
| 03:24 | I suppose someone could write a processor for this plain text...but that's rather suboptimal | |
| 03:26 | mtj | koha's framework was created around nov 2007, so a safe assumption is that koha's marc21 version is 'Update No. 8 (October 2007)' |
| 03:27 | and the current marc21 spec is 'Update No. 16 (April 2013)' | |
| 03:32 | dcook | http://www.loc.gov/standards/m[…]l/mrcbxmlfile.dtd |
| 03:33 | Looks like that file is only good up to...2008 | |
| 03:36 | marc? | |
| 03:36 | wahanui | hmmm... marc is the standard that isn't |
| 03:36 | dcook | marc? |
| 03:36 | wahanui | The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. |
| 03:36 | dcook | marc? |
| 03:36 | wahanui | marc is the standard that isn't |
| 03:36 | dcook | Hmm, where's wizzyrea when you need her.. |
| 03:36 | mtj | hmm, that marcxml page looks promising tho |
| 03:37 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 03:37 | dcook | It hasn't been updated in 5 years |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | wot? |
| 03:37 | wahanui | wot is d diff btw Staff client interface and OPAC |
| 03:37 | dcook | wizzyrea: marc...death...stuff |
| 03:37 | cjh | oh god. |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | oh |
| 03:38 | cjh | use more marc? |
| 03:38 | more marc? | |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | CAN'T TALK I'M GETTING PULLED OVER |
| 03:38 | we should use more marc | |
| 03:38 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 03:38 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | j/k, I'm not really getting pulled over. |
| 03:38 | cjh | there wer are, ty |
| 03:38 | wer... close enough. | |
| 03:39 | trea | <saidnooneever>we should use more marc</saidnooneever> |
| 03:40 | dcook | Maybe it's my lack of familiarity with MODS, but those schemas look quite nice...http://www.loc.gov/standards/m[…]mods-schemas.html |
| 03:41 | rangi | mods is a zillion times more sane |
| 03:41 | never really caught on tho | |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | I love those said no one ever memes. |
| 03:43 | trea | use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ |
| 03:43 | wahanui use more marc is <reply> http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3unp1l/ | |
| 03:43 | wahanui | i already had it that way, trea. |
| 03:43 | rangi | https://twitter.com/mjgiarlo/s[…]40305423972331520 |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 03:44 | it's the twenteens version of "not" | |
| 03:44 | trea | i just wait till the memes have fallen out of favor, then start using them. it's completely deliberate. |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | you're and anti-hipster. |
| 03:45 | rangi | :) |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | an* even |
| 03:45 | trea | i was a hipster before it was cool |
| 03:45 | eythian | trea: so, the .eLM software uses the marc structure to store all its data, such as borrowers. |
| 03:45 | rangi | all your base are belong to memes |
| 03:45 | trea | ^ |
| 03:45 | eythian | I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. |
| 03:46 | trea | sounds about right |
| 03:48 | eythian | gmcharlt: it's improper that you should make me fix things to close to beer o'clock |
| 03:49 | trea | if eythian gets too much blood in his beer stream, disaster will ensue. |
| 03:49 | eythian | there will be problems |
| 03:49 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | I drink your milkshake? |
| 03:50 | dcook | @quote add eythian: I think it's a case of when all you have is marc, everything looks like a catalogue record. |
| 03:50 | huginn` | dcook: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 03:50 | gmcharlt | eythian: oh dear, I didn't realize that being RM now came with such powers of insistence |
| 03:50 | dcook | Murrrr |
| 03:50 | Not cool huginn | |
| 03:51 | * gmcharlt | avoids temptation to set *all* bugs to patch does not apply ;) |
| 03:51 | gmcharlt | seriously, it can, of course, wait |
| 03:52 | mtj | afaict, this is about the best marc21 spec, loc have -> http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html |
| 03:52 | eythian | no, then it'll just sit there and fester |
| 03:52 | also, I want to get this patch in | |
| 03:53 | gmcharlt: the conflict is in the perldoc :) | |
| 03:53 | easy fix | |
| 03:54 | gmcharlt | figured as much |
| 03:55 | mtj: yeah, that looks as good as it gets -- and actually, wouldn't be hard at all to write a parser for that | |
| 03:55 | mtj | yeah, i think so too |
| 03:57 | the goofy thing is.. loc could easily dump that info in a much more user-friendly format, but frustratingly dont?! :/ | |
| 03:58 | gmcharlt | eh, that's pretty friendly |
| 03:59 | (i.e., I will happily take that ;) ) | |
| 03:59 | mtj | anyhoo, i'm really very happy to find that info - so not complaining here |
| 04:08 | …and thanks heeps for the link eythian++ :D | |
| 04:08 | eythian | plenty more where that came from, I have a whole internet worth of links! |
| 04:08 | though, most of them are pretty rubbish if I'm being honest. | |
| 04:25 | mtj | ^^ ohh, that link was actually from dcook++ |
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| 06:46 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:04 | talljoy | must be morning at biblibre! bonjour! |
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| 07:11 | samueld | hi everybody |
| 07:13 | asaurat | hi |
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| 07:29 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:15 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 09:16 | rangi | hi drojf |
| 09:16 | cait | hi drojf |
| 09:16 | drojf | hi rangi and cait |
| 09:17 | cait | and bye guess i should entertain my guests - one has started to wash yesterdays dishes |
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| 10:13 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 10:15 | one question people : migration from 3.0.6 to 3.12 is trivial (besides on update of items of 3.4)?? | |
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| 12:29 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:29 | oleonard | Hi tcohen, #koha |
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| 12:37 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:37 | tcohen | speedy-druthb |
| 12:38 | druthb | not this morning, I'm not. |
| 12:41 | tcohen | sorry, I don't belive you |
| 12:42 | druthb | :P |
| 13:02 | * druthb | updates her accomplishments list—today is my 80-day evaluation at cPanel! |
| 13:02 | oleonard | Clear some space for the gold stars druthb |
| 13:03 | druthb | Bah. It's still woefully short, by my thinkin'. But I managed to hit my stride on a couple of things, so I'm finally starting to feel productive. |
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| 13:18 | druthb | "Ladies and gentlemen, the performance will continue in ten minutes' time, when the role of druthb will be performed by Grumpy Cat." |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Joubu: I don't understand what's going on with Bug 8662. I can use git bz to apply the patch on a fresh branch and it works with no problem. |
| 13:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons |
| 13:48 | tcohen | heh http://sna.gy/RIBL8.jpg |
| 13:48 | http://snag.gy/RIBL8.jpg | |
| 13:50 | typed wrong twice :-D | |
| 13:50 | http://snag.gy/RlBL8.jpg | |
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| 14:08 | Joubu | oleonard: hum, weird. I just try again now and I get the same error. I asked to jajm and he got it too. |
| 14:09 | * oleonard | grumbles |
| 14:13 | jcamins | oleonard: did you do a rebase after applying? |
| 14:13 | (and then a reupload) | |
| 14:14 | Your repo is probably the only one with the needed deltas. | |
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| 14:16 | oleonard | jcamins: I created a new branch based on master and used git-bz to apply the patch. It applied with not problem. Rebasing works. |
| 14:18 | jcamins | oleonard: right, but did you reupload the patch? |
| 14:19 | (after running `git rebase origin/master`) | |
| 14:26 | oleonard | I guess I didn't rebase before re-uploading yesterday |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:27 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to the farmers market and bought lots of almonds which I had to eat on the plane, cos can't bringthem into nz, so I was offering ppl nuts on the plane. cait: makes sense rangi: if its sensible for a crazy nzer to be waving almonds in ur face at 3am, then yes" (added by wizzyrea at 08:03 PM, July 28, 2011) |
| 14:27 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:27 | huginn` | druthb: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) |
| 14:28 | * oleonard | tries again |
| 14:29 | jcamins | oleonard: bug 8662? |
| 14:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons |
| 14:29 | jcamins | The latest patch works for me. |
| 14:29 | * oleonard | crosses his fingers |
| 14:30 | adam_m | Hello, does anyone know of a way to bulk upload suers |
| 14:30 | users* | |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt | adam_m: I prefer to keep the suers out ;) seriously, there's a patron import tool available on the Tools page |
| 14:32 | it takes a CSV file as input | |
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| 14:33 | adam_m | gmcharlt: thanks |
| 14:33 | jcamins | paul_p: There's a book here on Les Poulains de Corinthe. :D |
| 14:33 | paul_p | jcamins = in french = "poulain" = "young horse" |
| 14:34 | jcamins | paul_p: I prefer to imagine that you are descended from an important Corinthian dynasty. :) |
| 14:38 | adam_m | gmcharlt: alright, so how does one go about creating a CSV file with profiles |
| 14:38 | gmcharlt | adam_m: what's your starting point for the patron data? |
| 14:38 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a093cfdb727a6bb84> |
| 14:40 | adam_m | gmcharlt: I've set everything up and added a few profiles already, I just want to see if i can add a bunch of profiles all at once rather than having to go through everything one at a time, even though I know ill need to set up passwords for everything later |
| 14:41 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1211 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | what do you mean by profiles? patron categories? staff users? staff user permissions? |
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| 14:41 | jcamins | adam_m: but where is the data coming from? |
| 14:42 | adam_m | gmcharlt: i mean importing a batch of patrons for a category I've already created. |
| 14:42 | gmcharlt | ah, OK |
| 14:42 | so the first line of the CSV file should be a header listing the fields you want to populate for the patrons you're loading | |
| 14:42 | so let's say you make the patron category the first column (order doesn't) matter | |
| 14:43 | first line wwould start with "categorycode" | |
| 14:43 | subseqent lines (containing the patron records) would start with the code of the patron category you wanted assigned to each patron | |
| 14:43 | alternatively... | |
| 14:44 | the patron import tool lets you (from its form) set default values for fields you don't include in teh CSV | |
| 14:44 | so if your file contains patrons that all go to the same category, you can set the default there | |
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| 14:46 | adam_m | gmcharlt: haha, ok well I'm not sure how to start with this. First I need to know how to actually create a CSV file, can I just do that with gedit or something. |
| 14:46 | gmcharlt | one easy way to do it is to enter the data into a spreadsheet |
| 14:47 | then "export" or "save as" CSV | |
| 14:47 | adam_m | ok |
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| 14:49 | adam_m | gmcharlt: alright so i opened up libreoffice, so in the first cell i have the categorycode, so for each profile im creating under that i need to list what exactly? would it just be the name i had used for the profile category? |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | the category code |
| 14:51 | adam_m | right ok, so in my case ill just use STUDENT or STAFF |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | yep, sounds right |
| 14:52 | adam_m | gmcharlt: as for the other information, I'll need to enter the user name and other data like that, is there a list of headers somewhere |
| 14:53 | gmcharlt | yes -- if you go to the patron import tool, it includes a list of headers on its first screen |
| 14:53 | adam_m | gmcharlt: also does this allow me to assign some sort of default password this way |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Or, of course, you could fix whatever underlying bug you're encountering, which is what I usually do when I encounter a bug. |
| 14:53 | talljoy: ^^ whoops, wrong window | |
| 14:53 | gmcharlt | adam_m: yes, you can |
| 14:53 | * gmcharlt | makes sure jcamins encounters ALL THE BUGS |
| 14:54 | adam_m | gmcharlt: excellent, you guys are awesome |
| 14:54 | jcamins | gmcharlt: the trick is to make me encounter the bugs while working as opposed to while faffing around. |
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| 15:03 | pianohacker | good morning |
| 15:04 | oleonard | Hi pianohacker |
| 15:10 | pianohacker | hey oleonard |
| 15:10 | wahanui | hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
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| 15:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1211: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1211/ |
| 15:53 | Janusz Kaczmarek: Bug 10326: bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't restore value of CataloguingLog syspref | |
| 15:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10326 minor, P5 - low, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , bulkmarcimport.pl turns off CataloguingLog sys pref |
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| 16:10 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a076130a966be23bd> |
| 16:11 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1212 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 0 hr ago) |
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| 16:43 | chris_n | khall++ #Rolling Hard Due Dates |
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| 16:52 | druthb | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]sees-git-workflow |
| 16:54 | oleonard: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]someone-elses-css | |
| 16:54 | oleonard | :D |
| 16:55 | druthb | That tumblr is full of good ones. |
| 16:59 | pianohacker | I could watch that git gif all day, that's mesmerizing |
| 17:00 | druthb | yes. There's an even better one, a few pages in, "Initial Git Training." |
| 17:00 | * oleonard | digs the Heathers quote: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]t-the-data-center |
| 17:00 | retitles, "After delving into Search.pm" | |
| 17:01 | druthb | talljoy: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]86169/go-live-day |
| 17:02 | talljoy | HAHAHA! that describes my day today!!! |
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| 17:05 | pianohacker | oh god, so true. that gif is best with "Sail" though |
| 17:12 | * tcohen | is thinking what is the benefit of using packaged javascript libraries instead of those shipped with koha in .deb packages |
| 17:17 | pianohacker | oleonard: This is probably the best though: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]internet-explorer |
| 17:18 | druthb | pianohacker++ |
| 17:18 | ie-- | |
| 17:18 | pianohacker | ie-- |
| 17:18 | old ie mostly, but the new one could turn on us at any moment | |
| 17:19 | * gmcharlt | would appreciate comments on bug 10385 |
| 17:19 | jcamins | tcohen: consistency. |
| 17:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item-level_itype checks need to be refactored |
| 17:19 | wahanui | i think consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. |
| 17:21 | gmcharlt | wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmer's minds |
| 17:21 | wahanui | ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... |
| 17:21 | gmcharlt | consistency? |
| 17:21 | wahanui | consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. |
| 17:22 | jcamins | wahanui: no, consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. |
| 17:22 | wahanui | ...but consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier.... |
| 17:22 | jcamins | consistency? |
| 17:22 | wahanui | consistency is always a good thing. It will make using DBI::Class that much easier. |
| 17:22 | jcamins | wahanui: forget consistency |
| 17:22 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot consistency |
| 17:22 | jcamins | wahanui: consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. |
| 17:22 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | D: |
| 17:22 | jcamins | consistency? |
| 17:22 | wahanui | it has been said that consistency is the hobgoblin of programmers' minds. |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | nooooooo |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1212: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1212/ |
| 17:24 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10350 - Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table | |
| 17:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10350 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Capitalization: Home Library column in staff detail items table |
| 17:25 | tcohen | consistency with what jcamins? |
| 17:25 | will the wheeze version match squeeze's? | |
| 17:25 | do they even match the one from the tarball? | |
| 17:25 | jcamins | tcohen: with other Debian packages. |
| 17:29 | tcohen | as long as there are no API changes between the shiped versions everything is fine |
| 17:30 | jcamins | Right. |
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| 17:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1213 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 1 day 1 hr ago) |
| 17:33 | tcohen | oleonard: do u know of any important change between YUI 1.8 and 1.9? |
| 17:34 | oleonard | No idea |
| 17:37 | Why those versions tcohen? | |
| 17:38 | tcohen | those are the versions shipped with squeeze and wheeze respectively |
| 17:38 | versions of libjs-yui I mean | |
| 17:39 | oleonard | Those don't seem to line up with YUI version numbers |
| 17:40 | jcamins | tcohen: well, Koha includes version 2.8.0r4, and since we know the packages work fine under Squeeze, I think we can probably safely assume there were no changes between 1.8 and 2.8. |
| 17:40 | tcohen | i wrote it wrong, it was 2.8 and 2.9, sorry |
| 17:45 | maximep | iirc yui 2.9 fixes tons of stuff for ie9 |
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| 17:46 | maximep | should be all fixes |
| 17:46 | tcohen | this is the changelog http://yuilibrary.com/projects[…]adMe/Rollup_2.9.0 |
| 17:47 | jcamins | maximep: so with YUI 2.9 you get a huge message filling your entire window saying "IE SUCKS! USE A REAL BROWSER!"? |
| 17:47 | tcohen | i raise this issue as we are about to support wheeze if i'm not mistaken |
| 17:48 | jcamins | You'll just have to try it, I think. |
| 17:49 | tcohen | i guess i'll ask a Debian-er to do it :-P |
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| 17:52 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:53 | tcohen | I belive we should ship our own and use that one anyway. we QA against the one we ship |
| 17:53 | oleonard | Speaking of YUI, time to submit a patch for Bug 9779 |
| 17:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9779 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove global include of YUI assets from the staff client |
| 17:54 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 17:54 | * oleonard | gives basket groups the evil eye |
| 17:54 | tcohen | heh |
| 17:54 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
| 17:54 | tcohen: you should ask liw about that. | |
| 17:54 | tcohen | *but* that won't go into 3.12 for now |
| 17:54 | liw? | |
| 17:54 | wahanui | BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! |
| 17:55 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 17:56 | pianohacker | jcamins: bahahaha |
| 17:56 | ... I have no idea why I put jcamins: there. assuming you did something funny | |
| 17:57 | mtompset | tcohen: Debian-ist. :P |
| 17:57 | druthb | wahanui: pianohacker? |
| 17:57 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, druthb |
| 17:57 | druthb | ! |
| 17:58 | oleonard | pianohacker was gone so long wahanui forgot him. |
| 17:58 | druthb | pianohacker is a brilliant young whooper-snapper. |
| 17:58 | mtompset | wahanui: mtompset? |
| 17:58 | wahanui | you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 17:58 | mtompset | Still true! |
| 17:58 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 17:58 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 17:58 | tcohen | Leisure Industry Week |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | hahaha, it was something random and weird |
| 17:58 | oleonard | "whooper?!" Whipper! |
| 17:59 | * mtompset | nods, "It's Whipper." |
| 17:59 | druthb | oleonard: I'm from Redneckistan. Whooper. |
| 18:00 | mtompset | Harder to google for, druthb. |
| 18:00 | druthb | :P |
| 18:01 | oleonard | We need one of these for "whooper" vs. "whipper" http://strangemaps.files.wordp[…]/popvssodamap.gif |
| 18:02 | druthb | it's an easy one…see all the red areas on that map? that's where it's "whooper." |
| 18:02 | In Redneckistan. | |
| 18:05 | tcohen | ok, Lars Wirzenius |
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| 18:08 | mtompset | Nice map, oleonard. |
| 18:08 | administrator | is this koha channel |
| 18:08 | is anyone here | |
| 18:08 | oleonard | administrator: Yes, just like the topic says. |
| 18:09 | administrator | hey.. I'm on my third time installing .. can u help |
| 18:09 | pianohacker | administrator: sure, what's your problem? |
| 18:09 | administrator | many |
| 18:10 | first.. I'm a monk.. sadhu (thanks) for your help in the dharma! | |
| 18:10 | I am on koha squeeze ubuntu 13.04 | |
| 18:10 | i do the instructions and I get "it worked" | |
| 18:11 | then problems happen | |
| 18:11 | oleonard | Installing from packages? Which instructions are you following? |
| 18:11 | * liw | has been invoked? |
| 18:11 | liw | or summoned |
| 18:11 | mtompset | it worked? |
| 18:12 | administrator | I once got it to work.. but I had to use a different port 8080 I'm not sure if I can remember how to do that. also I created a few users by mistake with koha create and when I deleted them.. pooff broken again! |
| 18:12 | jcamins | Default Apache. |
| 18:12 | mtompset | That sounds like your apache server isn't configured to point at koha yet. |
| 18:12 | administrator | hold on |
| 18:12 | jcamins | administrator: are you using the IP address to access Apache? |
| 18:12 | administrator | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 18:12 | mtompset | Yes, that's likely his problem, jcamins. |
| 18:12 | jcamins | liw: we were discussing why the packages use the system version of YUI. |
| 18:13 | administrator | i also use http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 18:13 | mtompset | okay... |
| 18:13 | administrator | but I just use that for the repository stuff |
| 18:13 | what is yui | |
| 18:13 | wahanui | yui is BSD license, according to Home › About Koha › Licenses |
| 18:13 | liw | jcamins, ah... that'd be because Debian frowns upon embedded code copies (it make security updates harder); since Koha isn't getting uploaded into Debian, it's OK for Koha to embed its own copy of YUI |
| 18:13 | tcohen | i was exposing my fear that not shiping our own might be cause of problems |
| 18:14 | oleonard | yui is unrelated to your problem. Different topic. |
| 18:14 | tcohen | as squeeze and wheeze don't share the same version/patchset |
| 18:14 | jcamins | administrator: tht was for liw, not you. Nothing to worry about. |
| 18:14 | *that | |
| 18:14 | administrator | i'm confused |
| 18:15 | mtompset | administrator: You will need to sort through multiple conversations on the channel at once. |
| 18:15 | administrator | koha-common is 50% finished now.. |
| 18:15 | jcamins | administrator: ignore everything about YUI, that is a separate conversation happening at the same time. |
| 18:15 | mtompset | administrator: so what steps have you done so far? I'm looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 18:16 | you have installed Ubuntu, correct? | |
| 18:16 | (and not debian) | |
| 18:16 | administrator | IF my computer name is LibraryPC what do I put in this for the domain name (LAN only for now) |
| 18:16 | DOMAIN=".mydomain.co.nz" # Any library instance will be a subdomain of this string. | |
| 18:16 | INTRAPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the administration interface | |
| 18:16 | INTRAPREFIX="" # For administration interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. | |
| 18:16 | INTRASUFFIX="-intra" # For administration interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. | |
| 18:16 | DEFAULTSQL="/usr/share/koha/defaults.sql.gz" # only needed if you're pre-populating from another Koha database | |
| 18:16 | OPACPORT="80" # TCP listening port for the users' interface (if you skip this, the apache default of 80 will be used) | |
| 18:16 | OPACPREFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Prefix to be added to the instance name. | |
| 18:16 | OPACSUFFIX="" # For users' interface URL: Suffix to be added to the instance name. | |
| 18:16 | ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT="marc21" # Specifies format of MARC records to be indexed by Zebra. Possible values are 'marc21', 'normarc' and 'unimarc' | |
| 18:16 | ZEBRA_LANGUAGE="en" # Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb' | |
| 18:16 | I installed ubuntu | |
| 18:16 | I did the updates | |
| 18:17 | mtompset | administrator: please use the paste site. |
| 18:17 | administrator | clean |
| 18:17 | mtompset | paste? |
| 18:17 | wahanui | paste is probably found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 18:17 | mtompset | That way you don't flood the channel with your cut and pastes. |
| 18:18 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 18:18 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "file listed in instructions" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/31 |
| 18:18 | mtompset | If you follow the blue boxes in the instructions without changing anything, you should get a working library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org machine working. |
| 18:18 | But the question is, administrator, do you have a network or system administrator to talk to? | |
| 18:18 | administrator | http://paste.koha-community.or[…]submit=Format+it! |
| 18:19 | is that right | |
| 18:19 | mtompset | Step back from the contents of that paste, and tell me if you have a system administrator or network administrator to help you, administrator? |
| 18:19 | administrator | we do.. sort of..he is well.. difficult |
| 18:20 | * mtompset | chuckles, "Aren't all of them?" |
| 18:20 | administrator | heee hee |
| 18:20 | he does not like this project.. because he wants a bsd server | |
| 18:21 | we have a cheap pc | |
| 18:21 | mtompset | Okay, which version of ubuntu did you install? server or desktop? |
| 18:21 | administrator | it works if we can just get it to work |
| 18:21 | 13.04 | |
| 18:21 | desktop | |
| 18:21 | mtompset | okay... desktop. So, you plan on using this on this machine only? |
| 18:22 | administrator | koha common is 87% finished |
| 18:22 | mtompset | that's fine... but are you expecting someone to access it over the internet to search your library? |
| 18:22 | administrator | yes.. but we will have other machines searching on the lan |
| 18:22 | tcohen | so koha-common hasn't downloaded yet administrator? |
| 18:22 | administrator | no or not in the close future |
| 18:23 | almost finished.. 92% | |
| 18:23 | 94% | |
| 18:23 | mtompset | okay... you will need to talk to your network administrator then. Sorry. |
| 18:23 | administrator | what do I put in teh domain name |
| 18:23 | what do we need to ask? | |
| 18:23 | mtompset | wait... I haven't gotten there yet, administrator. |
| 18:24 | The problem is a lan usually is set up to use DHCP and not necessarily static IP addresses. | |
| 18:24 | administrator | static |
| 18:24 | fixed ip.. | |
| 18:24 | mtompset | your machine has a static/fixed ip address on the lan? |
| 18:24 | administrator | I think i was confused.. the answer is no internet needed |
| 18:24 | mtompset | Well, then you are set! |
| 18:25 | administrator | ok. . that problem is finished.. |
| 18:25 | do I put the computer name in the dns box or just leave that file empty | |
| 18:25 | mtompset | WAIT! |
| 18:25 | we haven't gotten a full understanding of your network layout and how you are attempting to use it yet. | |
| 18:25 | administrator | ok |
| 18:26 | we have one main computer to run koha and this will be used for people .. clients patrons to use | |
| 18:26 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 18:26 | mtompset | Now, there are multiple ways to solve this, the quick and dirty way is to just follow the blue boxes in the instructions (making sure to read the instructions around to see if the blue box applies). |
| 18:26 | tcohen | bye oleo |
| 18:27 | administrator | everyone is leaving.. sorry |
| 18:27 | mtompset | The problem with this solution is... you will need to tweak every single hosts file for all the machine that will access koha. The better solution is to get some DNS entry set up by the network administrator. |
| 18:28 | administrator | ok we will ask |
| 18:28 | for a name.. that can't cost much (in favors) | |
| 18:28 | mtompset | And then you should ask him... what to fill in for the domain name. |
| 18:28 | administrator | then what |
| 18:28 | was this the problem instead of the computername | |
| 18:29 | mtompset | because that's going to be part of the setup. |
| 18:29 | administrator | ok.. |
| 18:29 | mtompset | I'm not sure what you are asking. |
| 18:29 | administrator | what name shoudl we ask for .. we can do it now. |
| 18:29 | mtompset | you know that you are going to koha-create... library... (can't recall the command right now) |
| 18:30 | so it will be library.<whatever the network administrator tells you> | |
| 18:30 | for the OPAC client. | |
| 18:30 | and library-intra.<whatever the network administrator tells you> for the Staff client. | |
| 18:30 | administrator | sudo koha-create --create-db instancename |
| 18:31 | ok my friend is running now... | |
| 18:31 | he will ask now | |
| 18:31 | mtompset | where you change instance name to the part of the machine's name, and it needs to match what the DNS entry for the network says. |
| 18:31 | administrator | I appreciate your help.. we don't want to do the lbuntu cd |
| 18:32 | mtompset | so "sudo koha-create --create-db library" |
| 18:32 | administrator | hmm.. koha common just asked me for a name I used librarypc |
| 18:32 | is that a problem now | |
| 18:32 | mtompset | Oh, no... this is why you need to READ. |
| 18:32 | What package was koha-common setting up? | |
| 18:32 | nullmailer? | |
| 18:33 | administrator | yah.. its the first box that comes up |
| 18:33 | a few boxes come up | |
| 18:33 | then it installs | |
| 18:33 | mtompset | Yes, and it probably asked about MySQL too. |
| 18:33 | administrator | yah |
| 18:33 | mtompset | Again, this is why your network administrator should set this up. |
| 18:33 | administrator | it does not say this in the blue boxes :) |
| 18:33 | ok | |
| 18:33 | mtompset | I meant blue boxes in the instructions. |
| 18:34 | in the web browser. | |
| 18:34 | not as part of the install. | |
| 18:34 | administrator | from my link.. am i on the right instructions |
| 18:34 | mtompset | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 18:34 | administrator | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 18:34 | ok..that's what im using | |
| 18:34 | mtompset | so you are in the midst of "sudo apt-get install koha-common" |
| 18:35 | administrator | yup.. maybe finished.. let me check |
| 18:35 | mtompset | which is in a blue box (your browser may make it another colour) |
| 18:35 | administrator | yup finished |
| 18:36 | shall I apt-get remove.. I bet that won't let me start allover | |
| 18:36 | ;) | |
| 18:36 | mtompset | okay, the librarypc thing you typed... does not affect koha, except in that you probably configured mail incorrectly now. |
| 18:36 | administrator | no prob... |
| 18:36 | mtompset | Don't worry about mail. |
| 18:37 | administrator | we are far away from mail.. a small monastery with 2k books maybe |
| 18:37 | mtompset | like I said, before you do the next step... you need to talk with your network administrator. |
| 18:37 | he will tell you the value for domainname. | |
| 18:37 | administrator | i'm waiting on my friend as we speak. |
| 18:37 | mtompset | he will tell you the value for domain. |
| 18:37 | administrator | in the mean time.. |
| 18:37 | how to get it to work with out the ports.. or is that the dns thing | |
| 18:38 | ? | |
| 18:38 | mtompset | that is a DNS thing, in that the DNS will set up a name that you can use to access it, and the name will distinguish between staff client and OPAC. |
| 18:39 | that is what those prefix and suffix values are about. | |
| 18:39 | administrator | I guess that means yes (way above me) |
| 18:39 | another question .. | |
| 18:40 | When I got halfway successed.. the apache said.. "success it worked" | |
| 18:40 | mtompset | Now, if you don't want to wait for the administrator... you CAN change the port for INTRAPORT to 8080 (for example), and then you don't need a name. |
| 18:40 | That means you have apache2 set up. | |
| 18:40 | That does not mean anything for koha. | |
| 18:40 | administrator | getting to the webinstaller was difficult |
| 18:40 | once we are there.. we are golden | |
| 18:41 | can we change that later? | |
| 18:41 | mtompset | you can't, because it is too difficult to describe how. |
| 18:41 | administrator | ok |
| 18:41 | mtompset | but it is possible. |
| 18:42 | It is best to set it up correctly the first time. | |
| 18:42 | administrator | yah anything is possible if you have time and money (my favorite quote as a lay person) |
| 18:42 | another thing. | |
| 18:42 | wahanui | another thing is different |
| 18:42 | administrator | The users on ubuntu.. what is that? |
| 18:42 | mtompset | wahanui: forget another thing |
| 18:42 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot another thing |
| 18:42 | administrator | I deleted them once and it fried |
| 18:43 | we were so close then | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Okay, there only really need to be three users on the machine: root, yours, and library-koha (assuming you create an instance call 'library') |
| 18:44 | administrator | what are the users.. I think khha create does them.. I had a 2 extra users because I typed the command twice |
| 18:44 | mtompset | exactly. |
| 18:44 | administrator | when I deleted them.. poof |
| 18:44 | :( | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | when you type koha-create it creates them. |
| 18:44 | administrator | apache died |
| 18:45 | mtompset | sounds like you had an almost working koha and you broke it really well. :) |
| 18:45 | administrator | is there a way to restart if I screw up.. I tried to remove the pkgs but it did not work. I removed teh koha dir and mysql dir and that was not good enough to restart |
| 18:45 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1213: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1213/ |
| 18:45 | administrator | it was just a username :) |
| 18:46 | does that mean I downloaded a loser | |
| 18:46 | mtompset | administrator: do not go deleting things that you don't understand. |
| 18:46 | administrator | got that right :) |
| 18:47 | jenkins: does that mean I downloaded a loser | |
| 18:47 | mtompset | if you mess up the koha-create and create something you shouldn't have, use koha-remove. |
| 18:47 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]kages#koha-remove | |
| 18:47 | administrator | hey.. that's a cool |
| 18:47 | mtompset | Another useful page to keep bookmarked. |
| 18:48 | administrator | I just hope I dont need to reinstall ubuntu again .. and lose my bookmarks |
| 18:48 | :) | |
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| 18:48 | administrator | we got a dns |
| 18:49 | tcohen | it should get updated mtompset, but its quite useful! |
| 18:49 | mtompset | The commands wiki page, tcohen? |
| 18:49 | administrator | dhamma-pc is our dns |
| 18:49 | tcohen | yes |
| 18:49 | administrator | now what |
| 18:49 | wahanui | now is good time with holidays coming up |
| 18:49 | administrator | do we need .com or .org |
| 18:49 | mtompset | No. |
| 18:50 | administrator | what about our mail server.. no prob right? |
| 18:50 | mtompset | You just need to be consistent in using dhamma-pc everywhere. |
| 18:50 | administrator | oops.. |
| 18:50 | reinstall? | |
| 18:50 | mtompset | Are you planning on emailing out overdue notices? |
| 18:51 | administrator | maybe in the future |
| 18:51 | far future | |
| 18:51 | 6 months | |
| 18:51 | mtompset | Then, in 6 months, bug your network administrator to fix the mail on your koha machine. :P |
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| 18:52 | administrator | laugh.. but really .. can we do it now |
| 18:52 | what does it entail | |
| 18:52 | mtompset | nope, because I don't know how to. :) |
| 18:52 | administrator | how to undo? |
| 18:53 | control z | |
| 18:53 | mtompset | undo what? |
| 18:53 | wahanui | undo is not included in paul_p's proposal. |
| 18:53 | mtompset | wahanui: forget undo |
| 18:53 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot undo |
| 18:53 | administrator | the mail thing.. the first pop up boxes before the koha installs itself |
| 18:53 | mtompset | you don't want to do that. |
| 18:54 | because it will be like a sweater with a loose thread. | |
| 18:54 | You pull the thread, and the sweater is no more. | |
| 18:54 | Let the thread dangle. | |
| 18:54 | administrator | shall i reinstall ubuntu and lose my bookmarks you just gave me? |
| 18:54 | mtompset | NO! |
| 18:55 | The problem is configuring email under Ubuntu. | |
| 18:55 | administrator | ohh..ok.. |
| 18:55 | mtompset | Seriously... ignore that problem. Let the thread dangle. The sweater must exist. :) |
| 18:55 | administrator | My friend is an apache expert.. what program does this run |
| 18:55 | jcamins | postfix? |
| 18:55 | wahanui | postfix is probably found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 18:55 | jcamins | ^^ I use the Postfix mail server, and those are instructions for setting it up. |
| 18:56 | Your network administrator will know how to deal with it, though. | |
| 18:56 | administrator | ok lets forget it.. my friend can help. or our admin |
| 18:56 | I'm going to run some more commands | |
| 18:56 | mtompset | WAIT! |
| 18:56 | administrator | ok.. thanks for catching me |
| 18:57 | see http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
| 18:57 | under the download the latest koha release.. | |
| 18:57 | there is a mention of a bug | |
| 18:57 | mtompset | You didn't edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. |
| 18:57 | administrator | and some commands |
| 18:57 | mtompset | -- that's why the instructions have oldstable. |
| 18:57 | administrator | are these still current (i skipped) |
| 18:58 | mtompset | Don't worry... keep going. |
| 18:58 | administrator | i can run them if you want |
| 18:58 | he latest version package (3.10.x using squeeze repository) seems to break slightly under Ubuntu. Simply: | |
| 18:58 | sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | mtompset: why do the instructions have oldstable? |
| 18:58 | (tl;dr version, please) | |
| 18:58 | administrator | i donno |
| 18:59 | mtompset | Because when I last edited them there was a install bug. |
| 18:59 | They should be updated to reflect the correction. | |
| 18:59 | administrator | yup |
| 18:59 | mtompset | But at this point in time... |
| 18:59 | administrator: keep going. | |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 18:59 | mtompset | edit the /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf file. |
| 18:59 | administrator | ok.. TELL ME what todo |
| 19:00 | jcamins | (my interjections are in no way intended as instructions, I am simply curious about things that are said occasionally) |
| 19:00 | mtompset | we are going to put ".dhamma-pc" in DOMAIN. |
| 19:00 | administrator | ok.. i'm editing |
| 19:00 | sadhu! that means.. great in buddhist language! | |
| 19:00 | mtompset | everything else, the same as the example. |
| 19:01 | save the file. | |
| 19:01 | now we're at the next command. sudo a2enmod rewrite | |
| 19:02 | any output is irrelevant, because it is either already turned on, or it just go turned on. | |
| 19:02 | next command... I'm thinking you are going with a local database. | |
| 19:02 | sudo apt-get install mysql-server | |
| 19:02 | please choose a good password for the root user, and DO NOT TYPE IT HERE. | |
| 19:03 | If you have already installed mysql-server, then please remember the root user password. :) | |
| 19:04 | administrator | wait.. I made the file I want to post it.. but all I changed was the dns to .dhamma-pc |
| 19:04 | pay attention to the dot in front | |
| 19:04 | mtompset | okay, use the paste your example, like I showed you before using the website. |
| 19:04 | administrator | how to paste big things |
| 19:05 | mtompset | paste? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 19:05 | bag | wahanui: sniff paste? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | bag: i haven't a clue |
| 19:05 | bag | heh |
| 19:05 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my domain" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/32 |
| 19:06 | mtompset | Yes, that looks right. |
| 19:06 | did you save it? | |
| 19:07 | did you save it, administrator? | |
| 19:07 | administrator | yup |
| 19:07 | idid the rewrite | |
| 19:07 | mtompset | okay, did you install mysql-server yet? |
| 19:08 | administrator | doing it now |
| 19:09 | then I will do sudo koha-create --create-db library | |
| 19:09 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 19:11 | administrator | did the sql pwd.. i read that 2% of users use "password" in 2600 |
| 19:12 | mtompset | Have you done that and moved on to the Ubuntu Security Tweak section? |
| 19:12 | administrator | sql is finished.. |
| 19:12 | mtompset | So you are at the configuring ports section? |
| 19:13 | configuring apache, I mean. | |
| 19:14 | administrator | I tweaked |
| 19:14 | mtompset | okay. |
| 19:14 | administrator | sudo nano /etc/apache2/ports.conf ?? |
| 19:14 | shall I do that now | |
| 19:15 | mtompset | Yes, the goal is to confirm all the ports needed are listed and that NameVirtualHosts is there too. |
| 19:15 | administrator | i see.. NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 19:15 | Listen 80 | |
| 19:16 | mtompset | Uncommented? |
| 19:16 | No # in the front of them? | |
| 19:16 | administrator | yup |
| 19:16 | mtompset | Okay, then there's nothing to do. Which is good. :) |
| 19:16 | close that. | |
| 19:16 | administrator | glad you updated it correctly |
| 19:16 | mtompset | since this is your own stand alone machine, |
| 19:16 | sudo a2dissite 000-default | |
| 19:18 | Then jump to the Enable Modules and Site section. | |
| 19:18 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a2dissite result" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/33 |
| 19:19 | mtompset | Don't worry about that feedback yet. |
| 19:19 | administrator | shall i run reload |
| 19:19 | mtompset | No. |
| 19:19 | Because the last comment in the Enable Modules and Site section does what you need. | |
| 19:19 | last command. | |
| 19:20 | have you run the commands in the Enabled Modules and Site section? | |
| 19:20 | administrator | no |
| 19:20 | mtompset | Do that. |
| 19:20 | administrator | the rewrite stuff |
| 19:20 | ? | |
| 19:20 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 19:20 | administrator | ok |
| 19:20 | mtompset | and ignore all the outputs. |
| 19:21 | Because they will say you need to reload or restart. | |
| 19:21 | But the last command does a restart. | |
| 19:22 | administrator | administratorLIbraryPC:~$ sudo a2ensite library |
| 19:22 | ERROR: Site library does not exist! | |
| 19:22 | mtompset | you didn't run the koha-create command?! |
| 19:22 | administrator | no |
| 19:22 | mtompset | run it now. |
| 19:22 | sudo koha-create --create-db library | |
| 19:22 | administrator | did goof |
| 19:23 | mtompset | then continue the commands in Enable Modules and Site section. |
| 19:24 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha create" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/34 |
| 19:24 | mtompset | That's fine. |
| 19:24 | administrator | ok good .. i thought i was toast |
| 19:24 | mtompset | No, it's just a DNS complaint. |
| 19:25 | If you had an externally accessible website like library.testthisout.org | |
| 19:25 | then you would have configured apache2 to use it. | |
| 19:26 | oh, and that reminds me... | |
| 19:26 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "enable results" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/35 |
| 19:27 | mtompset | Yes, administrator, that's fine. |
| 19:27 | administrator | ok .. i really appreciate your help.. |
| 19:27 | mtompset | could you... |
| 19:27 | sudo vi /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library | |
| 19:27 | And then paste that? | |
| 19:27 | administrator | how bout gedit |
| 19:28 | mtompset | whatever... |
| 19:28 | I'm a vi person. | |
| 19:28 | gedit is just fine. | |
| 19:28 | pianohacker | I think that's the gedit motto, truthfully |
| 19:28 | gedit is Just Fine™ | |
| 19:29 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "gedit no vanilla" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/36 |
| 19:29 | mtompset | good... just checking there wasn't a step missed in the instructions. :) |
| 19:29 | administrator | sadhu |
| 19:30 | no web installer? | |
| 19:30 | now web installer | |
| 19:30 | mtompset | Not yet... we're getting very close. |
| 19:30 | administrator | ok |
| 19:30 | mtompset | paste the output of your sudo ifconfig. |
| 19:30 | administrator | why don't they have a script? |
| 19:30 | ok | |
| 19:31 | mtompset | Because every installation could have variations in configuration. |
| 19:31 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ifconfig" (28 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/37 |
| 19:32 | administrator | ok |
| 19:32 | mtompset | Hmm... okay... Now, I have a strange request... |
| 19:32 | administrator | ok.. no complains? |
| 19:32 | mtompset | I would like you to reboot the machine. |
| 19:32 | administrator | ok |
| 19:32 | i hope I can connect to irc again! | |
| 19:32 | mtompset | and paste the contents of sudo ifconfig. |
| 19:32 | administrator | ok.. |
| 19:33 | you want the ip address again? | |
| 19:33 | so we don't get dhcp | |
| 19:33 | mtompset | Hmm... |
| 19:33 | could you sudo cat /etc/network/interfaces | |
| 19:34 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cat results" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/38 |
| 19:35 | mtompset | Strange, no reference to eth0. |
| 19:35 | Okay... no need to reboot. | |
| 19:35 | administrator | uh oh |
| 19:35 | oh.. thats goog? | |
| 19:35 | good | |
| 19:35 | ? | |
| 19:35 | mtompset | I just want to make sure that your ip address on eth0 is going to stay the same. |
| 19:36 | administrator | maybe I should reboot ? r u sure |
| 19:36 | mtompset | If it isn't mentioned, but you have it, then I'm willing to guess it will stay the same. |
| 19:36 | Don't reboot. | |
| 19:36 | administrator | ok. |
| 19:36 | web install | |
| 19:37 | ? | |
| 19:37 | mtompset | Let's get it working, and then if it breaks, because your ip address changes... just come back to here and someone might be able to help you fix that. |
| 19:37 | No. | |
| 19:37 | Tweak Hosts file. | |
| 19:37 | administrator | i tried to go to dhamma-pc.. got error |
| 19:38 | ok lets tweak. | |
| 19:38 | what to do? | |
| 19:38 | mtompset | administrator: Because you haven't tweak hosts file. |
| 19:38 | administrator | oh i see |
| 19:39 | mtompset | now, instead of 127.0.0.1 use 192.168.1.121 |
| 19:39 | and instead of library.framisdooby.org use library.dhamma-pc | |
| 19:39 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tweak" (11 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/39 |
| 19:39 | mtompset | and instead of library-intra.framisdooby.org use library-intra.dhamma-pc |
| 19:39 | administrator | doing |
| 19:39 | mtompset | You need to ADD two lines. |
| 19:40 | let's see the paste now. | |
| 19:42 | administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. | |
| 19:43 | administrator | i'm working still |
| 19:43 | wait gedit is easier | |
| 19:43 | mtompset | That's fine... nano, gedit, vi... use whatever works. |
| 19:46 | administrator? Paste the revised /etc/hosts file with the two new lines. | |
| 19:46 | administrator | shall I save? |
| 19:46 | mtompset | Let's see the paste first. |
| 19:46 | administrator | shall I save |
| 19:47 | mtompset | NO. |
| 19:47 | I said ADD... I did not say change. | |
| 19:48 | administrator | oopss.. ok |
| 19:48 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use this" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/41 |
| 19:49 | administrator | i bet 127 is not ok |
| 19:50 | mtompset | administrator: It's fine. |
| 19:50 | Leave it. | |
| 19:50 | administrator | save |
| 19:50 | ? | |
| 19:50 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 19:50 | administrator | ok |
| 19:50 | fini | |
| 19:50 | mtompset | Now... let's see how close we are. |
| 19:50 | open a web browser to http://library.dhamma-pc/ | |
| 19:51 | administrator | shall i library.dhamma-pc |
| 19:51 | mtompset | You should get a maintenance warning. |
| 19:51 | Well? | |
| 19:52 | pastebot | "Administrator" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "web results" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/43 |
| 19:53 | administrator | i only typed library.dhamma-pc |
| 19:53 | firefox | |
| 19:53 | mtompset | fine... |
| 19:53 | administrator | I've been here before |
| 19:53 | what next | |
| 19:53 | wahanui | next is translation manager |
| 19:53 | mtompset | did you get a maintence page? |
| 19:54 | No... next is NOT translation manager. | |
| 19:54 | translation manager is AFTER everything is installed. | |
| 19:54 | administrator | ok |
| 19:55 | mtompset | did you get a maintence page? |
| 19:55 | administrator | what maintenence page.. I posted |
| 19:55 | web results | |
| 19:55 | error | |
| 19:55 | mtompset | YAY! valid error. |
| 19:56 | Good error. | |
| 19:56 | Now... | |
| 19:56 | we need to look up the password. | |
| 19:56 | administrator | ok.. ?? it should say in the instructions.. I've been here before |
| 19:56 | ;( | |
| 19:56 | mtompset | sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/pass' /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml |
| 19:56 | administrator | ok |
| 19:57 | fini | |
| 19:57 | mtompset | you only get that error if you have NEVER run the web install set up for Koha. |
| 19:57 | administrator | ok |
| 19:57 | shall i web again | |
| 19:57 | mtompset | WAIT... |
| 19:57 | you have the password? | |
| 19:57 | don't tlel me it! | |
| 19:57 | do not tell me it. | |
| 19:58 | Do you have the password? | |
| 19:58 | administrator | ok .. it's not "password" |
| 19:58 | mtompset | :) |
| 19:58 | administrator | yes |
| 19:58 | oh shoot | |
| 19:58 | mtompset | now... instead of library.dhamma-pc |
| 19:58 | use library-intra.dhamma-pc | |
| 19:58 | administrator | The monk here wanted a different password |
| 19:58 | I'm not sure they will match | |
| 19:59 | mtompset | Don't worry about that! |
| 19:59 | administrator | ok |
| 19:59 | sql asks for a passord.. did koha create ask for one too? | |
| 19:59 | if not we are ok | |
| 19:59 | i've done a few installs ..maybe confused | |
| 19:59 | mtompset | Stop asking questions. |
| 19:59 | administrator | ok |
| 20:00 | what next\/ | |
| 20:00 | mtompset | Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc |
| 20:00 | administrator | oops! |
| 20:00 | mtompset | You should get a log in screen. |
| 20:00 | Did you get a log in screen? | |
| 20:00 | administrator | you are god (smallg) |
| 20:00 | mtompset | No, I'm just a man with a time limit. :) |
| 20:00 | administrator | The wiki needs to say this stuff |
| 20:00 | mtompset | Sorry if I come across as rude. |
| 20:01 | administrator | I thought you were joking |
| 20:01 | mtompset | Go to library-intra.dhamma-pc |
| 20:01 | You should get a log in screen. | |
| 20:01 | Did you get a log in screen? | |
| 20:01 | administrator | i did .. that s why you are a small g god |
| 20:01 | yup got it | |
| 20:01 | mtompset | okay... good, we are now in the web installer steps. YAY! |
| 20:01 | administrator | lets try to log in wait... I know this part |
| 20:02 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 20:02 | It should be pretty simple now. | |
| 20:03 | Though, when it gives you a whole bunch of optional and mandatory things to check... I would check most of them... no sample patrons or libraries though. | |
| 20:04 | Now, if you get stuck, ask questions. | |
| 20:04 | administrator | i'm in |
| 20:04 | thank you. | |
| 20:04 | will you be here for a while | |
| 20:05 | what is your email..or does this irc get archived | |
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| 20:08 | mtompset | irc? |
| 20:08 | wahanui | rumour has it irc is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:08 | mtompset | You can go there to find this conversation and others. |
| 20:08 | Also... | |
| 20:08 | You are in with the ultimate user password. | |
| 20:09 | You need to create a library branch and patrons. | |
| 20:09 | administrator | ok step 3ing |
| 20:09 | mtompset | And it is the patron username and password that you match to what the other people want. |
| 20:09 | And if they need higher permissions you can set them. | |
| 20:10 | tcohen | jcamins++ #didn't see those cute release notes before |
| 20:10 | administrator | ok.. need to get my friend.. to check the things... its his project.. |
| 20:11 | when I checked 'em he said he could not delete things because of interconnectedness | |
| 20:11 | it is sort of buddhist you know | |
| 20:11 | mtompset | please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 20:11 | administrator | i'm on it. |
| 20:11 | did the marc21 and now checkingadn unchecking | |
| 20:11 | mtompset | but your first task is to set up branches, and patrons. |
| 20:11 | administrator | how |
| 20:12 | mtompset | please refer to appropriate manual: http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
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| 20:12 | administrator | step 3 is to check options |
| 20:12 | mtompset | finish the web install. |
| 20:12 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 20:12 | mtompset | you're not done yet. |
| 20:13 | once you are done the web install. | |
| 20:13 | log into the staff client using the same user name and password you used to set koha up. | |
| 20:13 | and make sure to go to the administration area and set up the things that need setting up (like your library branch and patrons) | |
| 20:13 | patrons include staff. | |
| 20:14 | the difference is find in the permissions. | |
| 20:14 | administrator | ok.. time to get my friend for step 3 |
| 20:14 | i'm out for 5 min | |
| 20:14 | mtompset | No, your friend is needed at initial log in. :) |
| 20:14 | But I supposed he'll want to check/uncheck things. | |
| 20:15 | So, okay. | |
| 20:19 | administrator | he aint around |
| 20:19 | if we do standard things the way it should be done.. then no problem.. he doesn't know anything either | |
| 20:20 | he was here before.. if I weren't a monk...!!! | |
| 20:20 | tcohen | have a nice weekend mtompset, #koha |
| 20:21 | administrator | but I am .. so i'll forgive him.. |
| 20:21 | I'll check and uncheck all but the sample patrons and library | |
| 20:21 | mtompset | Sorry for the slow reply, tcohen. Have a good one too. |
| 20:22 | Did you intentionally format the release notes into the pretty format, jcamins? What application did you use? | |
| 20:23 | I have to leave now. | |
| 20:23 | administrator: You should have a workable system now. | |
| 20:23 | administrator | wait.. |
| 20:24 | can i postpone step 3 or do i need to do it all ow | |
| 20:24 | now | |
| 20:25 | the optional stuff.. can i add it later and just do the mandatory | |
| 20:25 | mtompset | I don't know, administrator. |
| 20:25 | administrator | he had trouble removing |
| 20:25 | mtompset | I have to leave. |
| 20:25 | administrator | ok.. |
| 20:26 | mtompset | Bye, #koha. Have a great day. |
| 20:26 | administrator | thanks for your help.. have an ice weekend |
| 20:26 | nice weekend | |
| 20:30 | * rangi | tries to route around the damage on the list |
| 20:31 | rangi | http://msujaws.wordpress.com/2[…]poisonous-people/ |
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| 20:40 | administrator | bye |
| 20:41 | administrator left #koha | |
| 20:55 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #127 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:57 | jcamins | @later tell mtompset Of course that was intentional. I did it in InDesign. The French version was done in LibreOffice, and isn't as nice. |
| 20:57 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:58 | pianohacker | jcamins: Is there any good open-source equivalent to InDesign that you know of that is open-source? Scribus is the closest, but has a twitchy, awkward ui |
| 20:59 | rangi | pianohacker: ill ask the design team at work |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | sweet, thanks |
| 20:59 | rangi: You're like a friendly, kiwi alternative.to :) | |
| 21:01 | rangi | heh |
| 21:01 | jcamins | pianohacker: not that I know of. |
| 21:01 | I tried scribus for a while, but, ugh. | |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | yeah, that was my reaction |
| 21:01 | rhcl | pianohacker: our publicity person is married to Quark, and I help him all the time; Scribus seems just as logical to me as Quark does. |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | I just do everything in Inkscape these days, and as twitchy as that text layout engine, it's easier to understand than Scribus |
| 21:02 | rhcl: Okay, fair enough. Do you know any good tutorials? | |
| 21:03 | rhcl | I can google around a bit; at one time I was playing with it (Scribus) and had gotten a general feel for it, but that was a couple of years ago. |
| 21:05 | jcamins | rhcl: in terms of interface, Scribus isn't too bad. |
| 21:06 | When it works. | |
| 21:06 | rhcl | then? |
| 21:06 | jcamins | The major problems I encountered were: 1) it absolutely cannot handle multiple displays. |
| 21:06 | That was a biggy. | |
| 21:06 | I had to edit by hand the configuration every time I wanted to open a file. | |
| 21:07 | rhcl | well, I don't think I ever had to mess with the cfg, but again, that was a couple of years ago for me |
| 21:07 | jcamins | 2) The color support is very poor. |
| 21:07 | pianohacker | Yeah, that's the thing. Bugs in piles and heaps |
| 21:08 | jcamins | Even when working the CMYK colorspace, it insists that you're using CMY. |
| 21:08 | Which sucks. | |
| 21:08 | A lot. | |
| 21:08 | rhcl | we have a brand new Savin higher-end copier. Color with Quark has great variation between the ps and pcl drivers |
| 21:09 | we're still working on those things--the Pantone charts help some | |
| 21:09 | jcamins | 3) I was not happy with the PDFs/PS it produced for high-res printing. |
| 21:10 | I don't necessarily expect good color matching without custom profiles, but using CMY without any K is not really acceptable for a file consisting of black text and a few color images. | |
| 21:10 | rhcl | jcamins: and you ruled out idiosyncrasies with the printer and printer driver? |
| 21:10 | I | |
| 21:10 | oops | |
| 21:10 | jcamins | rhcl: yeah, it's an issue in the screen-rendered PDF too. |
| 21:10 | After that I just bought InDesign. | |
| 21:11 | rhcl | http://decafbad.net/projects/scribus-tutorial/ |
| 21:11 | jcamins | Though maybe there's a new improved version of Scribus. |
| 21:11 | * jcamins | will download the latest. |
| 21:12 | rhcl | disclaimer: don't know anything about the above |
| 21:12 | jcamins | I have 1.4.1. |
| 21:13 | Bah. They're only up to 1.4.2 | |
| 21:13 | * jcamins | downloads it anyway. |
| 21:13 | jcamins | You never know. |
| 21:13 | rangi | http://hypothes.is/blog/cross-format-annotation/ |
| 21:14 | right now i need to go get the kindergarten set up for the big party | |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | ' * 1.4.2: Oh, that's what UIs are for! Cor!' |
| 21:14 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]-birthday-is-Maui <-- for those that missed it :) |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | man it would have been nice if ted nelson were less crazy, he was a massive visionary |
| 21:16 | rhcl | 1.5 is on the website? |
| 21:16 | jcamins | Ouch, 1.5.0 is a long way away, isn't it: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas[…]_Release_Schedule |
| 21:16 | rhcl: 1.5.0svn = master | |
| 21:17 | rhcl | this page: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas[…]_Management_setup acks color display problems with pdf, says to use Evince for the pdf viewer |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | evince++ |
| 21:18 | libpoppler specifically, but it's a wonderfully pure PDF viewer | |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Actually, maybe 1.5.0 isn't so far away: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/1.5.x_Roadmap |
| 21:18 | pianohacker | jcamins: Do you do graphic design work? It sounds like you've poked at this a lot |
| 21:19 | rhcl | jcamins: configure, make, make install? |
| 21:19 | jcamins | pianohacker: I produce catalogs. |
| 21:20 | rhcl: I don't use development versions of software unless I'm certain I am prepared to deal with what that entails. | |
| 21:20 | When I am preparing a document for printing, I am decidedly not prepared to deal with what it entails. | |
| 21:20 | pianohacker | jcamins: What exactly are those? I've heard the term many a time but never seen one |
| 21:20 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:20 | pianohacker | * catalogs |
| 21:20 | jcamins | I don't think any of mine are available publicly. |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | master = masterful = obviously the best choice for production, right? |
| 21:22 | jcamins | In addition to doing the cataloging, I tend to end up writing the introductions as the expert on the subject-at-hand. |
| 21:23 | pianohacker | Ahh, okay. So more exhibit, less metadata |
| 21:24 | jcamins | Then I got annoyed when clients were taking my intellectually beautiful cataloging, and providing them in Times New Roman-filled pages accompanied by low-quality photocopies. |
| 21:24 | Right. | |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | what sort of people ask for these? |
| 21:24 | book collectors? | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Dealers, collectors, and appraisers, in order from most-frequent to least-frequent requestors. |
| 21:26 | pianohacker | makes sense |
| 21:26 | cool! very different side of cataloging than the MARC-heavy world I'm used to | |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Yeah, I am not pro-MARC. |
| 21:27 | This may somewhat clarify why I call it Biblio*narrator*. :) | |
| 21:28 | Actually, I just printed off copies of my best catalogs from the last year or so. | |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | Yeah. It would be fantastic to have something that isn't just "chop catalog cards into labeled pieces", and worked better to convey information to the computer and could be formatted nicely for the user |
| 21:28 | jcamins | Well, my best illustrated catalogs that were not published by someone else. |
| 21:28 | Over a hundred pages. I hadn't quite appreciated how many illustrated catalogs I'd done. | |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | When I was first learning, I thought AACR2 punctuation was an irritation; then I learned why it was there, and now I just think it's an archaic abomination |
| 21:29 | jcamins | (some of the catalogs for dealers are as few as 3-4 pages) |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | and the smaller ones would be more densely packed? |
| 21:29 | jcamins | Generally. |
| 21:30 | AACR2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. | |
| 21:31 | Sorry, AACR2 (well, ISBD) punctuation. | |
| 21:32 | AACR2 is also generally an abomination, but that's something else. | |
| 21:32 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 21:32 | jcamins | I am very particular about how my catalog entries are punctuated. Initial punctuation, terminating punctuation, those matter a great deal to the overall impression of a catalog, and they are not always derivable from the "fields" that I am using. |
| 21:32 | aacr2? | |
| 21:32 | wahanui | aacr2 is an abomination, but more because of what we do with it than because it is inherently evil to have the cataloger entering punctuation, IMO. |
| 21:32 | jcamins | aacr2? |
| 21:32 | wahanui | aacr2 is probably generally an abomination, but that's something else. |
| 21:32 | jcamins | Heh. Good enough. |
| 21:34 | rhcl: looks like part of my problem was reported in 2006. Ouch. http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=3540 | |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | Yeah, punctuation is quite important. Not to the AACR level though |
| 21:35 | jcamins | I think it's dinner time. |
| 21:35 | To the dinner table and salad! | |
| 21:35 | * jcamins | will probably be back a bit later. |
| 21:35 | rhcl | yea, ic |
| 21:36 | jcamins | pianohacker: here's a catalog I did not do: http://www.mckittrickrarebooks[…]Kittrick_SS16.pdf |
| 21:36 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #127: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/127/ |
| 21:36 | Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' | |
| 21:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' |
| 21:37 | pianohacker | jcamins: okay, cool. thanks |
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| 22:27 | mtj | rangi++, just watching now… very interesting! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE |
| 22:28 | "...painting the bike shed" | |
| 22:29 | jcamins | We do that a lot. |
| 22:29 | mtj | i strongly disagree with your statement! |
| 22:30 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:31 | mtj++ # nicely done | |
| 22:31 | * cait | waves |
| 22:31 | cait | good night |
| 22:31 | wahanui | I'll be waiting for you to come back, cait. |
| 22:32 | mtj | jcamins, bookmark that url for later… it looks like a good one :) |
| 22:32 | hey cait | |
| 22:32 | cait | :) |
| 22:32 | mtj | hi and bye |
| 22:33 | cait | just checking some mail before going to sleep |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | grrrrrrrr. Does anyone know of a way to to a git-push in stages? I am being actively thwarted by some sort of upload-throttling in the building's wifi |
| 22:54 | jcamins | pianohacker: you can do it a few patches at a time. |
| 22:55 | git push myremote commithash:remotebranch | |
| 22:55 | pianohacker | Probably the easiest way |
| 23:00 | jcamins | Life is good with mail filters. |
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