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| 00:22 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #126: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/126/ |
| 00:22 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10083 [3.10.x] In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface | |
| 00:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10083 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , In Transit string doesn't get translated in the staff interface |
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| 00:58 | pug | Hi there |
| 00:58 | wahanui | hola, pug |
| 00:59 | pug | Hi wahanui |
| 00:59 | wahanui | salut, pug |
| 00:59 | pug | I needed to test a multisite deployment of koha |
| 01:01 | Each deplyment with its separate DB and separate perl modules (C4, Intranet, Opac etc) -- on the same server | |
| 01:02 | anyone knows any helpful post? -- shall I just groundup build from git repos with separate document root folders? | |
| 01:02 | what would you say whanui? | |
| 01:05 | druthb | wahanui is a bot. :P |
| 01:05 | pug | :) |
| 01:05 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 01:05 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 01:05 | * druthb | nods |
| 01:05 | druthb | botsnack cookie |
| 01:06 | wahanui: botsnack cookie | |
| 01:06 | wahanui | :) |
| 01:06 | druthb | pug, I've done what you're thinking of doing, and it's not hard; just download the git repo into different users' directories, and go to it. But packages might be an easier way for you. |
| 01:06 | wahanui: packages? | |
| 01:06 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 01:07 | druthb | There's some help there on packages; it's *super* easy |
| 01:07 | jcamins | pug: why would you want to have completely separate codebases? |
| 01:08 | * dcook | would assume for localized customizations? |
| 01:09 | dcook | Which, now that I think about it, isn't (easily) possible with packages? |
| 01:09 | pug | druthb, okay - I think ill go for it and try out |
| 01:09 | jcamins | dcook: no, but if you're doing local customizations on that scale, you're doing it wrong. |
| 01:09 | pug | jcamins, dcook - yeah , for localized customizations |
| 01:09 | druthb | if you want a lot of localized customizations (which is chaos and madness!), then you can't use packages easily, if at all. But...better not to. |
| 01:09 | jcamins | druthb: sure you can. |
| 01:09 | I do it all the time. | |
| 01:10 | druthb | Monkeying with templates? |
| 01:10 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 01:10 | And everything else. | |
| 01:10 | wahanui | well, everything else is just extras |
| 01:10 | jcamins | wahanui: not when it involves substantial changes to C4::* |
| 01:10 | wahanui | jcamins: huh? |
| 01:10 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:10 | jcamins | If you have small libraries, you use containers. |
| 01:11 | druthb | :P |
| 01:11 | jcamins | If you have large libraries, they shouldn't be on the same server. |
| 01:11 | pug | I want to be able to integrate the customizations with upgarded versions - how can you possibly do that peacefully while using packages? |
| 01:11 | jcamins | pug: by rolling your own packages. |
| 01:11 | dcook | Or by submitting your customizations to the community |
| 01:11 | And hoping they all get in ;) | |
| 01:11 | jcamins | Basically instead of resolving merge conflicts in production (ohgodohgodohgoditsbrokennowwhatdidido!), you resolve them on your staging server, then deploy in an atomic update. |
| 01:12 | pug | unfortunately they arent that relevant - for all to get on them |
| 01:12 | rangi | we role our own packages |
| 01:12 | * jcamins | rolls his own packages. |
| 01:12 | rangi | git for development, packages for production |
| 01:12 | you shouldnt be EVER developing or changing anything apart from config on a live server | |
| 01:12 | pug | I havent rolled my package before - but i think then thats something I must consider |
| 01:12 | * dcook | nods |
| 01:12 | rangi | so why have a full git clone there with all the security risks that entails |
| 01:13 | dcook | It's what I'm looking at doing soon, pug |
| 01:13 | jcamins | Hotfixes are easy to deploy with packages, too. |
| 01:13 | Unlike with git. | |
| 01:13 | rangi | pug: are you in the US? |
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| 01:13 | pug | unfrotunately not in the US! |
| 01:13 | dcook | jcamins: Good point about the large libraries. As for the small ones, I'm intrigued. What did you mean by containers? |
| 01:13 | jcamins | pug: that's a good thing. |
| 01:13 | * dcook | nods |
| 01:13 | pug | exactly, what did you mean by containers? |
| 01:13 | jcamins | I've just been reading about contract law under common law. |
| 01:13 | * jcamins | shudders. |
| 01:14 | dcook | As much as I adore our Americans here ;) |
| 01:14 | pug | jcamins, containers? |
| 01:14 | jcamins | Did you know that if you don't get promised a pension before you start, you are not guaranteed a pension in the US (if your employer starts offering one), but you are in France? |
| 01:14 | Anyway, I use lxc. | |
| 01:15 | Well, I do that when I can't get away with upstreaming or mainstreaming. | |
| 01:16 | I sort of petered out with documentation and generalization at some point, so the best documentation is probably this: http://git.cpbibliography.com/[…]c832;hb=HEAD#l668 | |
| 01:16 | dcook | jcamins: Can't say it surprises me. Did you know, in Canada, contracts are valid even if you're nearly black out drunk? Why you have 24-48 hours to go to the other party and ask them to void it, they're under no legal obligation to do so. In order to prove that you were coerced into signing, you need to have solid eyewitness testimony that somehow "proves" that they essentially took your blacked out hand and made you sign the paper |
| 01:16 | In other words, never sign anything under the influence of anything, because it's all perfectly legal. No one has won on that defense in about 100 years. | |
| 01:17 | jcamins | I also learned that all those scammy-sounding "we'll help you pay only a portion of what you owe" things are not legally enforceable. |
| 01:17 | dcook | The implications of having fiduciary obligations to former employers can also be pretty interesting |
| 01:18 | Contract law is rather fascinating | |
| 01:18 | pug | jcamins: alright, ill look into lxc and creating packages |
| 01:18 | jcamins | It is, actually. |
| 01:18 | But lawyers are incapable of writing well. :( | |
| 01:18 | dcook | But yes, pug, the best advice that cait ever gave me was: "Local customizations? Just don't do them." |
| 01:18 | pug | is it really a bad idea to use git based deployment for production? |
| 01:19 | jcamins | pug: YES!!!!! |
| 01:19 | That is one of the worst Koha-related ideas I can think of. | |
| 01:19 | Right after using a livecd you don't understand. </poke> | |
| 01:20 | pug | can you pen a few reasons why its a bad idea? |
| 01:20 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 01:20 | Security is bad. | |
| 01:20 | Anyone can access any executable file, even if it's not safe. | |
| 01:21 | pug | Ok .. I see thats a big issue then |
| 01:21 | * jcamins | thinks so. |
| 01:21 | pug | And Besides security? |
| 01:21 | jcamins | It makes it psychologically too easy to "just do a little tweak." |
| 01:22 | And the result is invariably (in my experience) lots of untested "little tweaks" going in. | |
| 01:22 | pug | I see your point! |
| 01:23 | jcamins: And that seems enough to call off git on production -- thanks a lot | |
| 01:24 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 01:24 | Glad I could help dissuade you. | |
| 01:24 | * jcamins | goes to eat dinner. |
| 01:24 | * dcook | now ponders what jcamins has on the menu tonight...damned timezones |
| 01:24 | pug | Im off too - bye! |
| 01:24 | dcook | pug: Just curious, what situation are you in? |
| 01:26 | pug | Im at a point where Im trying template customizations - customizations of say a few different types |
| 01:26 | dcook | Which templates? |
| 01:27 | You might find it easier to use customized XSLTs for the search results and detail pages | |
| 01:27 | Way easier than managing separate code bases | |
| 01:27 | pug | circulation, main etc |
| 01:27 | dcook | There are system preferences for changing the content in main |
| 01:27 | As for circulation...you might have me there | |
| 01:28 | Also remember that there are system preferences for userCSS and userJS | |
| 01:28 | If it's just template changes, those can do a lot | |
| 01:29 | pug | Im 'taking things off' the templates -- i.e. the UI |
| 01:29 | not just the CSS stuff | |
| 01:29 | dcook | I'm not sure I follow... |
| 01:29 | And really - taking things off is much easier than putting them on ;) | |
| 01:29 | pug | Yeah it is -- quite easy |
| 01:29 | dcook | What sorts of things are you taking off? |
| 01:30 | pug | e.g. too many options on the checkout |
| 01:30 | dcook | (I meant through config rather than code-level changes) |
| 01:30 | Such as? | |
| 01:30 | * dcook | is curoius |
| 01:30 | pug | few unrequired columns .. etc |
| 01:30 | dcook | curious too |
| 01:31 | pug | the circ-menu has too many buttons |
| 01:32 | as an example | |
| 01:32 | when I say ' too many' .. its considering a certain audience in mind | |
| 01:33 | circ-toolbar (not circ-menu) | |
| 01:33 | dcook | It sounds like the sort of things that you could do with CSS and JS, but all the power to you. Good luck! |
| 01:33 | pug | thanks! -- |
| 01:34 | but do you have a suggestions as to how can I make the changes now - and keep up with the upgrades? | |
| 01:35 | Im currently doing the changes off a branch of a specific version of git | |
| 01:36 | (Im doing this for schools in India - the librarian's esp. the staff's ability is quite weak wrt dealing with lot of text/buttons on the screen) | |
| 01:38 | dcook? there? | |
| 01:38 | dcook | Ish. I'm working on a project :p |
| 01:39 | I'm not sure that I understand what you're saying. | |
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| 01:40 | * dac | pokes dcook |
| 01:41 | pug | Im just saying - I want to make loads of changes to the templates in say ver 3.08.12 and merge them to later versions .. whats the most effective way of doing this AND not using git in production ? |
| 01:41 | dcook | That's better |
| 01:41 | Hmm? | |
| 01:41 | cjh | pug: you can use git for developement and then build packages to deploy for production |
| 01:41 | dcook | That's probably your best bet |
| 01:42 | cjh | that way you get all the nifty stuff from git and all the stability of packages. |
| 01:42 | dcook | You have to realize though...the more changes you make...the more work you're making for yourself in the future |
| 01:42 | pug | k - so basically ill have to build my own packages |
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| 01:43 | pug | I understand the issue with too many changes - but I actually do not see any option to that -- |
| 01:43 | cjh | ./debian/build-git-snapshot if you are targetting debian |
| 01:43 | ideally you want to upstream as much as possible, so you can avoid having to maintain lots of local code. | |
| 01:43 | pug | Im on ubuntu |
| 01:44 | cjh .. is that a git command to build a package for debian? | |
| 01:45 | cjh | you can install debian packages on ubuntu, it isnt a git command it is a script inside the koha git repository. |
| 01:45 | pug | https://github.com/pianohacker[…]uild-git-snapshot |
| 01:45 | that one, right? | |
| 01:45 | cjh | yes. |
| 01:46 | pug | (just trying to be sure! ) |
| 01:46 | cjh | no problem :) |
| 01:46 | rangi | hmm |
| 01:46 | pug | I think this is terrific help! |
| 01:46 | jcamins | pug: you should clone the official git repo, though. |
| 01:46 | rangi | is there a reason you arent using the official repo? |
| 01:46 | pug | I am using the official repo |
| 01:46 | jcamins | Or one of the mirrors that is automatically synced. |
| 01:46 | cjh | oohh oops, I should have pointed that out. |
| 01:47 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f6d083b7a;hb=HEAD | |
| 01:47 | jcamins | pug: and, as for your question about making changes in 3.8.12 and then merging them into later versions, it's going to be horrible no matter what. |
| 01:47 | But no worse when using packages than when using git. | |
| 01:47 | pug | I see |
| 01:47 | jcamins | And, actually, better, if some of the changes are in common. |
| 01:48 | Because git does this thing I don't understand where it manages to automatically resolve more conflicts sometimes in those cases. | |
| 01:49 | pug | jcamins - oh it does?! |
| 01:49 | jcamins | Sometimes. |
| 01:49 | As I said, I don't understand it. | |
| 01:49 | pug | jcamins - but if I have to make changes to the templates -- I dont see another options |
| 01:49 | jcamins | Right. |
| 01:49 | If you are making changes, you are making changes. | |
| 01:49 | So it's going to be unpleasant. | |
| 01:49 | That's just a fact of life. | |
| 01:50 | Now you are presented with the task of mitigating that unpleasantness as much as possible, and the way to mitigate it is with packages. | |
| 01:50 | If you use the release-tool.pl script that I linked to earlier, it can make things a lot more pleasant. | |
| 01:50 | pug | so my best bet is .. 1. make changes in a git stable version 2. make my own package for production 3. merge the changes painfully with the next stable version |
| 01:51 | Does that roughly sum it up? | |
| 01:51 | cjh | and keep your changes as simple and as close to upstream as possible |
| 01:51 | jcamins | Right. |
| 01:51 | And any changes that you could make general-purpose, do so, and submit to Koha. | |
| 01:51 | cjh | the less work you have to do in the future, the better. |
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| 01:51 | * dcook | nods |
| 01:51 | cjh | so if you can make your changes upstreamable, then it is a lot easier. |
| 01:51 | dcook | I still have a good hundred changes from an old version of Koha that I need to work on merging... |
| 01:51 | rangi | and if you are hiding buttons/content/tables etc |
| 01:51 | use css and/or jquery | |
| 01:51 | dcook | Well, merging/sending upstream |
| 01:52 | rangi | in the sysprefs to do it, rather than changing templates |
| 01:52 | because those will survive upgrades | |
| 01:52 | dcook | There are quite a few IDs and classes to hook onto for that |
| 01:52 | jcamins | Right, that can't be repeated enough. |
| 01:53 | pug | rangi -- okay -- thats helpful too -- ill look into that approach - avoided, since I hadnt worked on js earlier - but I guess Ill have to catchup with it |
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| 01:53 | jcamins | pug: you can learn javascript in way less time than it will take to learn how to maintain multiple custom forks. |
| 01:54 | cjh | heh |
| 01:55 | * jcamins | can prove this... |
| 01:55 | pug | yeah - sounds like it , from what I am hearing |
| 01:55 | jcamins | dcook: when you first started, you didn't know much about customizing Koha with JS and CSS, did you? |
| 01:56 | dcook | Mmm, no, but 99% of the customizations pre-date me ;) |
| 01:56 | jcamins | Sure, but you've successfully done some customizations, I think. |
| 01:56 | dcook | Which makes it even more fun trying to figure out what they do before merging into newer versions of Koha... |
| 01:57 | Yep yep | |
| 01:57 | jcamins | So, follow-up question: do you know how to maintain a customized fork without tearing your hair out? |
| 01:57 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:57 | Nope | |
| 01:58 | CSS is incredibly simple (although cross-browser CSS can sometimes be a pain). Jquery also makes using Javascript 10x easier. | |
| 01:58 | jcamins | QED :) |
| 01:58 | dcook | pug: Lots of useful help out there on Jquery's website, stackoverflow, etc. |
| 01:58 | cjh | and jquery updates are far easier to maintain, the underlying classes/ids change far less than the code (somewhere between never and rarely) |
| 01:59 | that wasnt english... close enough. | |
| 01:59 | pug | cjh - you answered my question before I would have asked :) |
| 02:00 | eythian | pug: it might be good for you to add CSS ids to the things you want to hide, and then use CSS/jquery to manipulate them |
| 02:00 | adding the ids/classes is upstreamable. | |
| 02:00 | cjh | and then you can upstream the css ids :) |
| 02:00 | drats, too slow. | |
| 02:00 | dcook | :D |
| 02:01 | Not to mention the fact that it's just plain useful for others in the future as well | |
| 02:01 | So you're doing others a favour ;) | |
| 02:01 | pug | that sounds like a easy way to do it, though - wouldnt work well? |
| 02:01 | eythian | works fine, that's usually how we do it, and it saves on template modifications |
| 02:01 | which are always painful to deal with | |
| 02:02 | jcamins | That's definitely the way to do it. It would work great. :) |
| 02:02 | pug | cool - i think i get it |
| 02:02 | cjh | it also depends on what kind of changes you are making, if it is only adding/removing from a page then it is perfect. |
| 02:02 | pug | so I was doing it the un-smart way -- creating blocks in templates , and including them or not based on IFs |
| 02:02 | jcamins | pug: ouch, no, you don't want to do that. |
| 02:03 | pug | jcamins -- hmm - I see now |
| 02:04 | so I use css ids, classes .. show or hide, ids and classes .. incase I wish to use some conditions use js .. right?! | |
| 02:05 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 02:05 | And you can do some pretty impressive things with js. | |
| 02:05 | jquery library? | |
| 02:05 | wahanui | somebody said jquery library was found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 02:06 | pug | Did you guys collectively just save my life?! |
| 02:06 | :) | |
| 02:06 | jcamins | Probably, yeah. |
| 02:08 | pug | jcamins - :) .. but the 'make your own debian package' for my Ubuntu production enviro still stays , right? |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:08 | Unless you manage to avoid any code customizations at all, in which case, no need to bother. | |
| 02:09 | pug | Im sure some conditions or the other would come in .. that sounds quite expected as of now |
| 02:10 | Alright - ill go back - do the homework on the new plan and come back | |
| 02:10 | ciao guys? | |
| 02:10 | jcamins | What kind of library, BTW? |
| 02:12 | pug | for small schools - in India - that arent using anything - and the staff under the librarian wouldnt want to read LOT of words on the screen |
| 02:19 | alright guys - thanks a ton - ttys! | |
| 02:19 | bye! | |
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| 02:46 | eythian | the master package should now be directly installable on wheezy and squeeze. |
| 02:46 | * eythian | goes to double check this |
| 02:47 | dcook | :D |
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| 03:31 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:31 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 03:33 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 03:33 | I'm curious. Do we have any authentication methods working in koha that don't require the user to be in the borrowers table? | |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | ldap can work that way I think - eythian might know |
| 03:39 | eythian | no |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | or not |
| 03:39 | eythian | well, when you first log in, it will put the borrower into the borrowers table |
| 03:39 | might be that's what you mean | |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | what am I thinking of then |
| 03:39 | or not storing the passwords maybe | |
| 03:39 | eythian | wizzyrea: I'm not sure :) |
| 03:39 | wizzyrea | probably that |
| 03:39 | wahanui | probably that is an issue with missing dependencies. |
| 03:39 | eythian | yeah, could be that |
| 03:40 | mtompset | so with ldap, the first time you log in, it adds the user? |
| 03:40 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:40 | otherwise tracking user info isn't really possible | |
| 03:41 | wahanui: seen tcohen | |
| 03:41 | wahanui | tcohen was last seen on #koha 11 hours, 51 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: thanks oleonard [Wed May 29 15:50:13 2013] |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | yeah, how would you know if things were issued if you didn't have users? |
| 03:42 | eythian | @later tell tcohen Bug 10367 is ready for 3.12, probably a good one to get in soon. |
| 03:42 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 03:43 | mtompset | Okay... at least I know where I have to head with my testing and coding. |
| 03:44 | I've got code now that using a simplesamlphp set up on the same server redirects to simplesamlphp, which does the authentication, and then it calls a backchannel (which I need to finish writing and testing) that makes the user logged in, and then redirects to the page the user sees. | |
| 03:45 | And this backchannel stuff is a pain, because of the user entry needs to be in borrowers constraint. | |
| 03:46 | I guess I'll look at the ldap log in method more closely now. | |
| 03:46 | I was looking at the persona code. I like it. | |
| 03:46 | eythian | basically it's just that if the user doesn't exist, it adds it. |
| 03:46 | I haven't seen the persona code. I should have a look. | |
| 03:47 | mtompset | I like the /opac/svc/login :) |
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| 03:54 | mtompset | Well, I should sleep. |
| 03:55 | Have a greet day (24 hour period), lurkers -- wizzyrea eythian dcook. :) | |
| 03:55 | eythian | later |
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| 06:37 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:39 | dcook | morning/evening :) |
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| 06:49 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
| 06:49 | jajm | hello |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | hello |
| 07:06 | dcook | salut alex_a :) |
| 07:06 | alex_a | salut dcook ! |
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| 07:15 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:17 | alex_a | bonjour gaetan_B |
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| 07:19 | alex_a | bonjout cait :) |
| 07:19 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
| 07:19 | alex_a | s/t/r/ |
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| 07:31 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:33 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 07:34 | drojf | hi cait :) |
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| 07:39 | dcook | All right time to head home and spend time with loved ones! |
| 07:39 | Night everyone | |
| 07:40 | cait | hm now he was gone fast |
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| 07:59 | mtj | interesting -> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/comm[…]r-free-javascript |
| 08:00 | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy[…]ascript-trap.html | |
| 08:55 | rangi | Joubu: merged |
| 08:58 | cait | Joubu++ rangi++ :) |
| 09:02 | Joubu | rangi++ :) |
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| 09:11 | cait | Joubu: nice idea too :) |
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| 10:42 | cait | Joubu++ again for Qa :) |
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| 12:23 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:39 | tcohen_ | morning #koha |
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| 12:49 | tcohen | do plugins work within a package install? |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | kohacon13? |
| 13:14 | wahanui | kohacon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 13:14 | tcohen | cait: where's the registration form? |
| 13:14 | wahanui | rumour has it the registration form is online :) |
| 13:15 | tcohen | jcamins? |
| 13:15 | wahanui | i think jcamins is a spoilsport |
| 13:16 | druthb | tcohen? |
| 13:16 | wahanui | tcohen is 120 |
| 13:16 | druthb | ! |
| 13:16 | wahanui: no, tcohen is awesome^2! | |
| 13:16 | wahanui | ...but tcohen is 120... |
| 13:17 | tcohen | wahanui: tcohen is 122 |
| 13:17 | wahanui | ...but tcohen is 120... |
| 13:17 | tcohen | wahanui: forget tcohen is 120 |
| 13:17 | wahanui | tcohen, I didn't have anything matching tcohen is 120 |
| 13:17 | oleonard | wahanui: forget tcohen |
| 13:17 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot tcohen |
| 13:17 | tcohen | hmm |
| 13:17 | wahanui: tcohen is 122 | |
| 13:17 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 13:17 | * druthb | chuckles. |
| 13:17 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 13:17 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 13:18 | druthb | :) |
| 13:18 | tcohen | i need to register for kohacon |
| 13:19 | druthb | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]n13/registration/ |
| 13:19 | you're gonna be there, tcohen? | |
| 13:20 | tcohen | got my visa yesterday |
| 13:20 | my boss said he'll try to pay for it | |
| 13:20 | druthb | woo hoo! One more reason for me to be glad I'm going. |
| 13:20 | tcohen | are people sharing rooms? |
| 13:21 | are there available rooms still? | |
| 13:21 | druthb | I've not heard a lot of talk about sharing rooms, so I don't know. |
| 13:21 | I would imagine rooms are still available. | |
| 13:23 | if not, we can always blame cait. | |
| 13:23 | cait | huh? |
| 13:23 | druthb | (it's what she gets for not paying attention.) |
| 13:24 | drojf | i think we are still in the "we need more room reservations to get the free conference room" phase |
| 13:24 | druthb | hi, cait! did you see the news? tcohen is coming to KohaCon! |
| 13:24 | cait | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]n13/registration/ |
| 13:24 | tcohen | do I need to put some group code or something? |
| 13:24 | * oleonard | shakes his fist at this JavaScript |
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| 13:24 | druthb | hi, oleonard and rambutan! |
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| 13:25 | druthb | oooh….two Gregs. FTW. |
| 13:25 | drojf | tcohen: looks like there is a code in the link |
| 13:25 | cait | tcohen: the link from the wiki page has the code |
| 13:25 | druthb | rambutan/rhcl: Either of you going to KohaCon? |
| 13:25 | cait | you can also see it in the url |
| 13:25 | :) | |
| 13:25 | i haven't booked the hotel yet | |
| 13:25 | if you want to share room - why not try a mail to the mailinglist? | |
| 13:26 | someone might be interested | |
| 13:26 | yep SKOHACN | |
| 13:27 | tcohen | rooms have a single king size bed |
| 13:27 | guess will make it difficult | |
| 13:27 | oleonard | It's okay we all like each other here ;) |
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| 13:28 | cait | i think you can also pick queen? beds |
| 13:28 | drojf | i like the "there is a fee so you don't have to pay an additional charge" part. lol |
| 13:29 | cait | tcohen: just add the code manually and pick queen beds in one of the cheaper towers |
| 13:29 | tcohen | nope, only king sized rooms appear |
| 13:30 | cait | try to go from the normal booking page |
| 13:30 | not using the link | |
| 13:30 | add the offer/group code i gave above | |
| 13:30 | i think that shoudl work, it does for me | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | i like king beds anyway :-P |
| 13:32 | drojf | cait: i only see king beds when i enter the code. and only the higher priced room types |
| 13:32 | cait | ok, off to clean the rest of the apartment... i am having guests for a long weekend :) |
| 13:32 | oh yes | |
| 13:32 | you are right | |
| 13:32 | hm | |
| 13:32 | drojf | i'd go with a tent |
| 13:32 | cait | lol |
| 13:33 | drojf | and put up the tent next to tcohen's king bed lol |
| 13:33 | tcohen | ok, i'll book on monday |
| 13:34 | oleonard | If firebug tells my my variable is an object with all the properties I expect it to have, why does console.log(obj.property) say "undefined" ? |
| 13:34 | cait | because... |
| 13:34 | excuse? | |
| 13:34 | wahanui | cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. |
| 13:34 | cait | excuse? |
| 13:34 | wahanui | cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. |
| 13:34 | cait | hm |
| 13:34 | i'd go with sun spots in that case | |
| 13:35 | druthb | I was thinking of driving, maybe….but 1,914 miles (3,080 km)…and the whole first *day* of driving would be in the Texas desert country—and it gets worse from there…. uhm. |
| 13:35 | I'm by-definition crazy, but I'm not *that* kind of crazy. | |
| 13:36 | drojf | druthb: why would you drive a way like that?? |
| 13:36 | you really love road trips? | |
| 13:37 | druthb | That's also…uhm….6 tanks of fuel, each way, which, at current prices, is about $250 each way. Plane tix are about the same. |
| 13:37 | cait | yeah and you'd need to sleep and eat on the way ... |
| 13:37 | druthb | I do, actually, drojf…but that one would be especially gruelling. |
| 13:37 | cait | and you'd be exhausted |
| 13:37 | druthb | yah. |
| 13:37 | drojf | sleep through kohacon, drive back |
| 13:37 | oleonard | On the other hand if you take the plane you'll miss out on all that west Texas AM radio |
| 13:38 | druthb | I lived out there for 20 years, oleonard. Had 'nuf of that, thanks. |
| 13:38 | I haz iPod. And my car haz iPod connector built-in. | |
| 13:42 | drojf | it's only a 10 hours drive, if you got a really fast car :P |
| 13:42 | druthb | Ooooh, fancy. A note just handed to me, an invitation to a new-hire Meet and Greet dinner with le CEO, at a fancy restaurant near here in a couple of weeks. Paper note, in an envelope, fancy vellum paper… "The favor of a reply is requested…" |
| 13:42 | drojf: 28 hours, with our speed limits (even though the ones out west keep going up and up and up, it's not an Autobahn.) | |
| 13:44 | drojf | as long as you are faster than the police, speed limits don't matter |
| 13:44 | <-- don't take advice from this person | |
| 13:44 | druthb | There's about a 650 km stretch in west TX, where the speed limit is 80 mph/130 kph, but that's as fast as it gets, anywhere in America. |
| 13:45 | tcohen | is it real what we see in the movies, that once you change state the policy can't get you? |
| 13:45 | then drojf is right :-D | |
| 13:45 | drojf | tcohen: but druthb probably wants to go back too :D |
| 13:45 | druthb | See, there's the rub, drojf. Our cops in Texas, particularly the Highway Patrol, drive extremely high-performance cars. You're *not* faster than them, almost guaranteed. |
| 13:46 | drojf | only one way… steal a police car |
| 13:46 | oleonard | If there's any public infrastructure we'll pay for in America, it's toys for the police. |
| 13:46 | druthb | tcohen: correct, unless you're being chased by federal police (the FBI). But the states *do* collaborate and cooperate, to some extent. |
| 13:46 | tcohen | you need to get a D'elorean druthb |
| 13:47 | druthb | heh. |
| 13:47 | Way too fast for my blood. I'm old and boring; I top out about 120 kph, before I chicken out. | |
| 13:49 | tcohen | hmm, i reached 205kph when I got my new car for a 'speed limit test' |
| 13:49 | druthb | I was fairly satisfied when the national speed limit was 65 mph/105 kph. Faster than that is occasionally nice, out in the boonies. |
| 13:49 | tcohen | but its not a car anyone should drive at that speed |
| 13:51 | druthb | The interstate between here and Dallas is now mostly 70/75 mph…that's a nice run. |
| 13:51 | about four hours, and you're there. | |
| 13:51 | tcohen | magnus_away: around? |
| 13:52 | bug 9890 | |
| 13:52 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9890 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Fix the new plugin system for package installs |
| 13:52 | tcohen | what car do u own druthb? |
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| 13:54 | druthb | A 2011 Nissan Sentra. |
| 13:55 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #48 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 14:18 | tcohen | nice druthb |
| 14:19 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9505 refactor loops in invoices.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb648e8f8f080f5f5> |
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| 14:35 | tcohen | gmcharlt: 9507 |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | tcohen: ? |
| 14:36 | tcohen | is a bugfix, with enough refactoring to be considered an enh? |
| 14:36 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #48: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/48/ |
| 14:36 | Robin Sheat: Bug 10367 - [3.12] update the rules and control file for wheezy | |
| 14:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy |
| 14:38 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1209 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:38 | gmcharlt | tcohen: that one is pure refactoring; no need to push it unless a later bugfix you want to push depends on it |
| 14:51 | oleonard | Can someone please give an educated answer to the "Zebra Indexing problem with upgrade" mailing list question so that paul.a doesn't have the last word? |
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| 15:09 | adam_m | Hello |
| 15:11 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:12 | pianohacker | good morning |
| 15:18 | druthb | hi, pianohacker! :) |
| 15:19 | pianohacker | hey druthb |
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| 15:27 | adam_m | Hello, I have been playing around with the settings of koha, it still seems that though I can check out books there is no way that I can place a hold on a book, I've looked and checked to make sure there wasnt some sort of setting that was stopping from doing so in the patrons category as well as checking to make sure that there was no rule against it in the circulation rules as well |
| 15:28 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 15:38 | oleonard | adam_m: Still around? |
| 15:39 | adam_m: Do you have a default circulation rule set up? | |
| 15:40 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8845: FIX dateonly is the 4th parameter, not 3rd! <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5563db64469090fe4> / Bug 8845 - Add ability search patrons by date of birth - Add tooltip <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29a6711cdc3cc4681> / Bug 8845: Followup Allow to give a date using the syspref format <http://git.koha-com |
| 15:52 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10381: Followup adding some text around Apply/cancel filter. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cd7c7159003d6c794> / Bug 10381: POD lines of GetBasketsInfosByBookseller <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8b3d094ad20f7596c> | |
| 15:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1209: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1209/ |
| 15:52 | Colin Campbell: bug 9505 refactor loops in invoices.pl | |
| 15:52 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9505 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , acqui/invoices.pl contains an unnecessary loop |
| 15:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1210 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:55 | adam_m | oleanard: yeah im still here sorry |
| 16:04 | tcohen | set expandtab |
| 16:04 | set softtabstop=4 | |
| 16:04 | set shiftwidth=4 | |
| 16:04 | set nocul cul | |
| 16:04 | set nonu nu | |
| 16:04 | oops | |
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| 16:06 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 16:07 | tcohen | now everyone knows I use mcedit :-P |
| 16:28 | adam_m | <oleonard> yes i did also put in default circulation rules |
| 16:29 | oleonard | adam_m: AllowOnShelfHolds system preference is set to "allow" ? |
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| 16:32 | drojf | d'oh. anscheinend gibts ein seminar "modeling lexical data" bei den germanisten. hätte das magisterbegleitend gut gepasst |
| 16:32 | hmpf | |
| 16:32 | wrong window | |
| 16:33 | adam_m | <oleonard> I was looking for that setting. where is that located |
| 16:33 | oleonard | adam_m: Administration -> System preferences. You can search by preference name. |
| 16:36 | adam_m | <oleonard> sweet. Alright it seems to work, I feel a little silly for not looking there earlier, thanks for the help! |
| 16:37 | <oleonard> Everything else works perfectly as well. Ready to deploy to the schools now :) | |
| 16:37 | oleonard | adam_m: Getting holds working trips up a lot of people, including me |
| 16:39 | pianohacker | tcohen: wait, http://www.mcedit.net/ ? |
| 16:42 | adam_m | <oleonard> there is one particularly odd thing however. seems like that if i search for something and produce a number of results I am able to easily check off whatever items and hold them however if i search something and go directly to a result because there is only one, then I cannot do so |
| 16:45 | <oleonard> ah never mind just in a different place | |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 17:10 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #14: "joetho: I only looked for missing ccodes- not dysfunctional orphans." (added by wizzyrea at 08:31 PM, July 09, 2009) |
| 17:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1210: SUCCESS in 1 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1210/ |
| 17:12 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8845 - Add ability search patrons by date of birth | |
| 17:12 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8845: Followup Allow to give a date using the syspref format | |
| 17:12 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8845 - Add ability search patrons by date of birth - Add tooltip | |
| 17:12 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8845: FIX dateonly is the 4th parameter, not 3rd! | |
| 17:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8845 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability search patrons by date of birth |
| 17:12 | jenkins_koha | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10381: POD lines of GetBasketsInfosByBookseller |
| 17:12 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10381: Followup adding some text around Apply/cancel filter. | |
| 17:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10381 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Hide basket links should be improved |
| 17:27 | tcohen | pianohacker: heh, no, I meant the text editor that ships with mc, it was a joke anyway, as I accidentaly pasted some of my Vim settings |
| 17:30 | pianohacker | ah, okay! that makes a lot more sense than a minecraft world editor having a tabstop option :) |
| 17:31 | tcohen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 |
| 17:31 | just closed bug #1 | |
| 17:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition |
| 17:31 | pianohacker | heh, yup. reddit was in a tizzy about that this morning |
| 17:32 | haha, thanks huginn` | |
| 17:33 | gmcharlt | @later tell magnuse I'd like to draw your attention to bug 10218 -- I'm assuming that the same changes ought to be made to the NORMARC stylesheets |
| 17:33 | huginn` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:40 | pianohacker | hey, #koha. any large #koha libraries out there with z39.50 I could use for (low-load) testing? |
| 17:41 | ... whose records are a bit less ... sparse than the LOC's? :) | |
| 17:41 | gmcharlt | LC has sparse records? |
| 17:42 | * gmcharlt | would have expected the vast majority of their available records to be fairly complete |
| 17:42 | jcamins | gmcharlt: not via Z39.50. |
| 17:42 | pianohacker | not horribly. There are a few nice things that are missing, though, like 100 tags |
| 17:42 | gmcharlt | er, what? |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Their Z39.50 database includes a lot more records than they export to OCLC. |
| 17:43 | And most of those records are seemingly woefully inadequate. | |
| 17:43 | * gmcharlt | blinks |
| 17:44 | jcamins | That was my response when I was told that, too. |
| 17:45 | (and it wasn't by pianohacker... a cataloger at NYU mentioned this to me in passing) | |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | jcamins: that explains a lot of the weirdness I'm seeing |
| 17:45 | druthb | @quote random |
| 17:45 | huginn` | druthb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009) |
| 17:45 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: do you have any specific records handy? |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: a bevy of them, let me try to get some urls |
| 17:45 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I am okay with Koha::MetadataRecord. |
| 17:46 | I'll redo the follow-up this evening. | |
| 17:46 | gmcharlt | jcamins: thanks |
| 17:46 | and sorry to be a pain about it, but I generally prefer to tackle naming for new modules before they get added | |
| 17:47 | jcamins | But I definitely don't like Koha::MARC::Record, because one of my goals with the refactor was to make it trivial to add merging non-MARC fielded record types. |
| 17:48 | If, you know, there was some way to have a non-MARC fielded record. | |
| 17:49 | gmcharlt | jcamins: well, that at least will happen in some form for 3.14 |
| 17:51 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: here's an example: http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/zga[…]3950.loc.gov,7090 |
| 17:51 | (apologies for the url) | |
| 17:52 | tcohen | pianohacker: http://blogs.unc.edu.ar/koha/l[…]-50-servers-list/ |
| 17:52 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: I think that is session-specific |
| 17:52 | i.e., doesn't work for me | |
| 17:52 | jcamins | That link doesn't work.. What is the 010? |
| 17:52 | tcohen | bmayor should have better records, FFyH also |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | curses, sorry. There are some records that only seem to show through certain search interfaces |
| 17:53 | no 010, but it has a 035 of 96518898 | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | No 010? Wow, that _is_ a defective record. |
| 17:54 | pianohacker | tcohen++ |
| 17:54 | here, I'll pastebin it | |
| 17:54 | pastebot | "pianohacker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "weird LOC record" (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/29 |
| 17:56 | druthb | Looks like an auto-generated record based on stuff from the Copyright Office, not something they actually handled and cataloged. |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 17:56 | druthb | Their records on serial romance are like that, too…kinda short; they may get the data directly from publishers. |
| 17:57 | gmcharlt | encoding level = 5 (from the Leader/17), meaning partial (preliminary record) |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | that would make sense. Is there a better server for LOC, or a search term that could filter based on leader/17? |
| 17:58 | using lx2.loc.gov/LCDB at the moment | |
| 17:58 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: well, LC also has a *ton* of fully fleshed out records; so I guess I'd have to ask ... what are you trying to do, specifically? |
| 17:59 | jcamins | I think LC supports record level. |
| 17:59 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Working on some pazpar2-based external search |
| 17:59 | jcamins | You'd just have to look up the attribute. |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | jcamins: not so sure, alas - http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html#usea |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Eww. Didn't they use to? |
| 18:02 | tcohen | i'm not sure bug 6413 is working |
| 18:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6413 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Notes in Fines doing wonky things |
| 18:03 | tcohen | i'm not used to the accountlines table, but the note I wrote is not on the table, or shown anywhere |
| 18:03 | jcamins | gmcharlt: aside from name, does my follow-up on 9755 address your concerns? |
| 18:06 | gmcharlt | looks like the 999 check has gone away entirely? |
| 18:06 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 18:06 | It was not actually necessary. | |
| 18:06 | gmcharlt | IIRC, that matches previous behavior, so yes, I think the follow-up addresses that |
| 18:07 | jcamins | Okay. I'll rename the class tonight, then. |
| 18:09 | talljoy | good afternoon! anyone familiar with bulkmarcimport.pl? i am feeding it a marc file of 119K marc authority records and it is 'loading' over 200K marc authority records for me. normal? |
| 18:10 | jcamins | Not at all, if there are really only 119k auth records. |
| 18:10 | talljoy | ikr, weird? |
| 18:10 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: it looks like some filtering could be done via use attribute 56 (code institution) and excluding "amim" as a source |
| 18:11 | but unfortunately, not seeing any documented attributes that support directly filtering on the encoding level | |
| 18:11 | talljoy | it have verified that i only have 119K records in the file and it appears to be reading biblio marc records during the import. "....Bad MARC record 208719: blah blah blah"...... |
| 18:11 | so it is autocreating authorities for me, which is very generous, but totally unwanted behavior. | |
| 18:11 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: okay, cool. Thanks |
| 18:12 | jcamins | talljoy: bulkmarcimport shouldn't be doing anything like that, so far as I know. |
| 18:13 | It does not in any way interface with the auth linker code. | |
| 18:13 | talljoy | this is very odd indeed. and i have seen this on other loads lately as well. |
| 18:13 | jcamins | What version, out of curiosity? |
| 18:15 | talljoy | 3.10.3 |
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| 18:15 | jcamins | No idea. You could try stage_file. |
| 18:16 | drojf | i blame cleanup_database.pl. it does surprise upgrades too |
| 18:16 | * drojf | hides |
| 18:19 | talljoy | i'm going to try that too. i also suspect some inaccuracies in their mrc authority data quite honestly |
| 18:20 | jcamins | talljoy: and you used marclint or something like that to confirm that there really were 119k records, right? |
| 18:20 | talljoy | well i used marcedit and it says 119K records, but the last record is cut off. so i suspect a bad mrc file that is not opening completely in marcedit. |
| 18:22 | jcamins | "I'm not running the Zebra daemon" <-- huh? |
| 18:23 | pianohacker | NoZebra? happy fun times |
| 18:24 | jcamins | pianohacker: not in 3.12! |
| 18:24 | Nor 3.10, for that matter. | |
| 18:24 | Nor 3.8, come to that. | |
| 18:24 | tcohen | Nor 3.6 or 3.4 |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | oh thank goodness, didn't know it had been deprecated that long ago |
| 18:25 | jcamins | tcohen: but it was only deprecated in 3.4 and 3.6. Not removed. |
| 18:25 | tcohen | yes |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | although come to think of it, you don't need zebra for circ, so he could have just disabled it to eliminate a cause |
| 18:26 | jcamins | True. |
| 18:34 | tcohen | we should have added that while(true){malloc} line to the circulation.pl script |
| 18:34 | s/should/shouldn't/ | |
| 18:38 | pianohacker | that the datas tructure with a k20 complete graph maaaaaaay be our downfall |
| 18:38 | jcamins | That what? |
| 18:38 | wahanui | That is a good idea. |
| 18:39 | pianohacker | graph theory babbling |
| 18:40 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack Gatorade |
| 18:40 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 18:41 | * jcamins | realizes that "tructure" is not a verb. |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | tructure (v): to construct buildings with the aid of a truck |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | ah, sorry. irc over laggy ssh |
| 18:44 | jcamins | Ditto. |
| 18:44 | druthb | druthbsnack tres leches cake :) |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | "well billy bob I think we done did tructured it" |
| 18:49 | maximep | frustration of the day: bug 10096 |
| 18:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching |
| 18:49 | maximep | we did the exact same thing 2 years ago, but could never share it |
| 18:49 | -_- | |
| 18:50 | pianohacker | maximep: ? |
| 18:50 | jcamins | maximep: that's why contributing code is not optional in my contracts. |
| 18:51 | pianohacker | I've done work for certain clients under NDAs (never again), was that your situation? |
| 18:54 | maximep | I won't get into details, but yeah, it sucks |
| 18:55 | to work using only open source tech, but tu never have time to share stuff | |
| 18:55 | pianohacker | sorry to hear that |
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| 19:00 | maximep | bug 8337. Aren't sysprefs automatically added to the db when they don't existe ? |
| 19:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , System preferences for longoverdue cron |
| 19:00 | jcamins | No. |
| 19:00 | maximep | huh |
| 19:01 | pianohacker | maximep: the sysprefs interface will though |
| 19:02 | maximep | pretty sure you only need to add it to the .pref if you dont need a default value |
| 19:02 | ah yes, that's what I meant | |
| 19:03 | pianohacker | weeeeell, you should explicitly add it to both, as the type and options fields are important |
| 19:03 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 19:03 | pianohacker | you mainly need to make sure that the type field is set to YesNo if it's a boolean field, to ensure it's intepreted and saved correctly |
| 19:04 | plus having a description field is a nice thing for people working in the DB :) | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | Plus, it's required to get into Koha. |
| 19:05 | :) | |
| 19:05 | maximep | alright :P |
| 19:05 | noted for future patches =) | |
| 19:06 | pianohacker | so, it's an official requirement that has a number of good reasons behind it :) |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | and will remain so unless somebody wants to add a bit more metadata to the *.pref files and writing a sync_stock_prefs() routine |
| 19:10 | which might be nice for DRY | |
| 19:11 | jcamins | And if you decide to work on that, consider replacing YAML::Syck. |
| 19:11 | maximep | great idea |
| 19:11 | pianohacker | that's an excellent idea |
| 19:11 | jcamins | The POD says "DO NOT USE THIS MODULE." |
| 19:11 | maximep | bwahaha |
| 19:11 | hmmm search.cpan isnt working | |
| 19:12 | pianohacker | Hahaha, yeah. Your choice is between YAML::Syck, which is old and twitchy, and YAML::PP, which is _crap_ at interpreting types in YAML correctly |
| 19:13 | I'd be quite happy to find out that other alternatives have been made | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | YAML::XS? |
| 19:13 | Pretty sure that's what the POD recommends. | |
| 19:13 | pianohacker | I _think_ that had the same problems, but let me check again |
| 19:14 | jcamins | I prefer JSON, though. It's way faster. |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | but tends to be less great for cases where we expect humans to write it |
| 19:15 | pianohacker | excactly |
| 19:15 | jcamins | gmcharlt: You can write it formatted exactly the same as YAML, no? |
| 19:15 | pianohacker | jcamins: somewhat. the syntax is clunkier, though |
| 19:16 | jcamins | I understood that JSON was a superset of JAYAML. |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | and most JSON tools don't pretty-print by default (for obvious reasons) |
| 19:16 | jcamins | s/JAYAML/YAML/ |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | jcamins: other way around, I think |
| 19:16 | pianohacker | my understanding was the opposite |
| 19:16 | jcamins | gmcharlt: ohhhh. |
| 19:16 | That clarifies why YAML is slower. | |
| 19:17 | * druthb | extends YAML::Syck; she is old and twitchy, too |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 19:17 | jcamins | I always thought it was kind of dumb to use algorithms on a subset that were slower than those that handled the more general case. |
| 19:18 | And by "always," I mean "it crossed my mind once, briefly, when someone said 'let's use YAML/JSON for koha-conf.xml'" | |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | Truthfully, given how simple _koha's_ requirements are for koha-conf.xml, then thing could be an INI |
| 19:20 | zebra's the main reason for it being the size, shape and format it is, afaik | |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: eh, and that really was by happensance |
| 19:21 | there's actually no particular reason why the main Zebra config file needs to also store Koha's base config settings | |
| 19:22 | for what Koha itself needs, you really could get away with plain old INI | |
| 19:22 | ;) | |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: the only thing I can think of is that it allows us the cool trick of storing the zebra username/password in only one place |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | no great loss if we have to store it twice |
| 19:24 | pianohacker | yeah |
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| 19:55 | rangi | anyone got a sec to sanity check somethign for me? |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | sure |
| 19:55 | oleonard | It's okay rangi I see the pink elephants too |
| 19:56 | rangi | http://demo-intra.mykoha.co.nz[…]rculation-home.pl |
| 19:56 | user:staff | |
| 19:56 | pass:staff1 | |
| 19:57 | sheri turner for a borrwer, and testcard for a barcode .. it feels plenty snappy to me? | |
| 19:57 | prolly laggier to you on the other side of the net | |
| 19:57 | but not 30seconds? | |
| 19:58 | oleonard | No, maybe 3 seconds for me |
| 19:58 | bag | yeah was snappy here too |
| 19:58 | rangi | (its a single cpu 2500 mhz with 1gig of ram) |
| 19:58 | running stock debian squeeze and stock 3.12.0 package | |
| 19:59 | bag | curlload it :) |
| 19:59 | rangi | sorry, 10gig |
| 19:59 | i cant read without coffee :) | |
| 20:00 | jcamins | Does anyone else get stopped short by CPU speeds? |
| 20:00 | bag | yeah 10gig will be quick |
| 20:00 | jcamins I've seen it yes | |
| 20:01 | jcamins | bag: no, I mean the numbers. |
| 20:01 | "2500 mhz" | |
| 20:01 | drojf | "so the 2 differences are Ubuntu and the LiveDVD" … *whistles in an unsuspicious way* |
| 20:01 | jcamins | That's freaking *fast*. |
| 20:01 | rangi | but yeah its not a super box by even the slightest stretch of the imagination |
| 20:01 | jcamins | I remember 33Mhz seeming fast. |
| 20:01 | rangi | its running about 12 koha instances too |
| 20:02 | thanks | |
| 20:03 | there is a benchmarc_circulation.pl that with some hacking mostly works | |
| 20:03 | i might try benchmarking the same db on a few different versions over the weekend | |
| 20:03 | but probably not | |
| 20:03 | cos its ataraus party tomorrow | |
| 20:04 | bag | is this your new home server? Or did you abandon that idea and host everything |
| 20:04 | yay Maui sighting right? | |
| 20:06 | rangi | no thats a catalyst one |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | rangi: my suspicion, albeit one without any real basis at the moment, is that it might be data dependent |
| 20:06 | rangi | http://demo.mykoha.co.nz/ |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | i.e. some quirk of their circ policies causing a busy-wait loop |
| 20:07 | rangi | gmcharlt: could be, but if the same data on 3.10.x .. that would be less likely, i guess it might be different data though |
| 20:07 | bag: yep got a maui sighting | |
| 20:08 | i wonder if im the only one who is comfortable with no plugin repository, or one that says, 'we provide no, none, nada, assurance of the qualtity of any of these, use totally at your own risk' | |
| 20:08 | cos frankly the QA team has more than enough work already | |
| 20:09 | * jcamins | is comfortable with no plugin registry. |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Provide a place people can upload plugins to, maybe, with the explicit note that none of them are supported by anyone other than the plugin's author, and don't count on that either. |
| 20:09 | rangi | yep, just like wordpress |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | rangi: my fear with that is that without an official repo, anything calling itself a Koha plugin that is malicious or simply badly written reflects back on us |
| 20:10 | oleonard | How do we provide a place for uploads without suggesting that they are at least somewhat official? |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | no matter how much we disclaim responsibility |
| 20:10 | jcamins | gmcharlt: well, that cat's out of the bag, short of you reverting the plugin host. |
| 20:11 | oleonard: separate website? | |
| 20:11 | bag | I know that nengard and khall are working on plugin host |
| 20:11 | rangi | i guess if a bunch of people want to volunteer to do plugin qa, then it might be workable, but i fear it will drain our already thin testing resources |
| 20:11 | jcamins | bag: I'm not proposing that the plugin code should be removed! I bent my own rules to get it in! |
| 20:11 | bag | at least one that we could offer… and I'd be willing to offer that we QA those |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Oh, wait. |
| 20:12 | You meant host as in server. | |
| 20:12 | I meant host as in "code that will run plugins." | |
| 20:12 | bag | jcamins: same |
| 20:12 | we'd be willing to QA those - no problem | |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | bag: and along with that, promise to not allow plugins to become a way to slip stuff past the core QA radar? |
| 20:13 | bag | gmcharlt: totally agree |
| 20:14 | plugins for us = some odd thing that would never ever make sense to write something for koha - becuase there is only one person on the world that would want it | |
| 20:14 | if there are two people that want - I believe in a patch for koha | |
| 20:16 | it's also pretty rad for reports | |
| 20:17 | so far we do have one good script for it - that rolls hard-due-dates forward | |
| 20:17 | rangi | i figure we'd have to elect a plugin QA team |
| 20:17 | if the community is going to assert anything | |
| 20:18 | bag | that's fine with me - we'll volunteer for it - until you get someone outside bywater that wants to do it - and we'll pass it on :) |
| 20:18 | rangi | same rules should apply of course |
| 20:18 | you cant qa your own work | |
| 20:19 | or whats the point? | |
| 20:19 | wahanui | the point is not that the koha-community write a page about there software and the PTFS people write a page about there's. the point is that we have useful, informative content about the software and it's history and that anything controversial is closely referenced |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | bag: one of the points, as far as I'm concerned, would be ensuring that if it happens, it happens as a broadly-shared community effort |
| 20:19 | rangi | lol |
| 20:19 | wahanui forget the point | |
| 20:19 | wahanui | rangi: I forgot point |
| 20:19 | rangi | whats the point? |
| 20:20 | bag | yeah I totally agree - I am not disagreing with anyone :) -- I'm just saying we are willing to help out to get the ball rolling |
| 20:20 | there is no reason to pull plugins - it's disabled by default | |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | bag: the mere existence of the feature has consequences that I wish had been planned for a bit more in advance; but at least we're having the discussion now |
| 20:22 | rangi | right kids to school |
| 20:22 | bbl | |
| 20:22 | bag | I'm getting a little frustrated at the moment - I'll be back later… before I say something dumb |
| 20:23 | well normally I say dumb things - before I say dumbass things :P | |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | bag: well one thing to keep in mind, there is no serious proposal to actually revert the feature |
| 20:23 | rangi | ftr im way more happy with saying using at your risk, but ill live with a robust qa process as second best option |
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| 21:04 | rangi | back |
| 21:19 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:20 | rangi | heya tcohen |
| 21:20 | i sent a sample invitation letter | |
| 21:20 | so hopefully you will get one :) | |
| 21:21 | tcohen | i got it, thanks |
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| 21:21 | rangi | yay! |
| 21:21 | tcohen | actually, I got my visa yesterday |
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| 21:21 | rangi | excellent |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | phew, have swap and btrfs autodefrag in place, hopefully things will stop exploding |
| 21:22 | tcohen | i'm in talks with my boss to get the money soon and book for kohacon |
| 21:24 | rangi | one of the guys at work had 2 btrfs fails in 2 days |
| 21:24 | he's sworn off it | |
| 21:24 | pianohacker: backups :) | |
| 21:24 | pianohacker | hahaha, yes. what do you use for backups, btw? |
| 21:25 | * Dyrcona | has heard nothing good about btrfs..... |
| 21:25 | pianohacker | I use it for the high write performance on an SSD with LZO compression, but it is a bit twitchy |
| 21:25 | rangi | pianohacker: obnam |
| 21:26 | http://liw.fi/obnam/ | |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | liw++ |
| 21:26 | rangi | the thing i like is you just need somewhere you can ssh to, to back up to it |
| 21:27 | The backup server, if used, does not require any special software, on top of SSH. <-- made of win | |
| 21:27 | pianohacker | oh hey, that's right, lars |
| 21:27 | this does look nice, simple enough to work consistently | |
| 21:28 | dejadup is sexy but all kinds of frustrating to actually use | |
| 21:28 | rangi | i finally fixed the ubunut ppa too |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | well, debian has an up-to-date package, no excuse not to use it :) |
| 21:28 | liw | ... backups. did someone mention backups? I'm sure I heard someone say backups. Backup! DID SOMEONE SAY BACKUPS? I LOVE BACKUPS! BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | hahahaha |
| 21:29 | hey lars | |
| 21:29 | I'm thinking of using obnam | |
| 21:29 | * liw | waves, on the way to bed |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | any reason i shouldn't? ;) |
| 21:29 | liw | pianohacker, it's written by a lunatic lazy person, but ask rangi, he's less biased than I am |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | hahaha, k. thanks, good night |
| 21:30 | rangi: so yeah, obnam looks like the bee's knees. any twitchyness or reasons to be careful with it? | |
| 21:30 | and it's written in Python! yay! | |
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| 21:32 | rangi | pianohacker: you can chat to eythian when he gets in too, he uses it as well |
| 21:33 | pianohacker | will do |
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| 21:38 | rangi | hmm that report on bug 7973 sounds nasty |
| 21:38 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7973 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow for new type of LDAP authentication |
| 21:41 | gmcharlt | rangi: agreed |
| 21:41 | hmm | |
| 21:41 | I'm feeling a bit of inspiration to put up an LDAP directory on foo.koha-community.org | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | @quote add <liw> ... backups. did someone mention backups? I'm sure I heard someone say backups. Backup! DID SOMEONE SAY BACKUPS? I LOVE BACKUPS! BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! |
| 21:41 | huginn` | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | @quote add <liw> ... backups. did someone mention backups? I'm sure I heard someone say backups. Backup! DID SOMEONE SAY BACKUPS? I LOVE BACKUPS! BACKUPS ARE AWESOME! |
| 21:42 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #254 added. |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:42 | gmcharlt | can't run active directory, of course, but having a stable directory to test against would be golden |
| 21:50 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:50 | jenkins could test against it | |
| 21:51 | if we had ldap, we could even seed it with some real data | |
| 21:51 | like galen charlton, release manager :) | |
| 21:52 | and then libravatar | |
| 21:52 | cjh | heh |
| 21:53 | rangi | then our own idp for persona |
| 21:53 | cjh | ldap jenkins testing would be sweet |
| 21:54 | * rangi | wanders off on a tangent |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:55 | if you think of things to stash on there, that's fine by me | |
| 21:55 | maybe linode will upgrade my server someday | |
| 21:57 | rangi | http://ratings.koha-community.org/ |
| 21:57 | is coming along | |
| 21:57 | the infrastructure is all done, you can add a url fetch ratings blah blah | |
| 21:57 | (thats what im doing on my linode at the mo) | |
| 21:58 | i just have to add lots more words | |
| 21:58 | and then send the patch for the export bit for koha | |
| 21:58 | http://ratings.koha-community.org/add_site | |
| 21:58 | whats a better license than blah blah | |
| 21:59 | gmcharlt | CC0 |
| 21:59 | rangi | yeah, i think that would work |
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| 22:09 | eythian | hi |
| 22:09 | wahanui | hey, eythian |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | hey eythian |
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| 22:15 | talljoy_DND | is jcamins still here? |
| 22:16 | @later tell jcamins can you tell me what this error means when the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl runs? Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/load12/kohaclone/C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 1194. thanks! | |
| 22:16 | huginn` | talljoy_DND: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:17 | rangi | talljoy_DND: invalid biblio or authority |
| 22:17 | means the $record is undefined | |
| 22:17 | talljoy_DND | well yes, but i wonder which biblio or authority. |
| 22:17 | rangi | you'll have to add debugging to find that out |
| 22:17 | talljoy_DND | if biblio i know which one, but if it's an authority records, i'm not sure how to track it down. and i am running it on debug unless there is a more robust debug |
| 22:17 | rangi | its going to be specific to your data |
| 22:18 | no, you will have to add warns | |
| 22:18 | to output the id numbers | |
| 22:18 | talljoy_DND | that's along the lines of what i was thinking i'd have to do. |
| 22:19 | rangi | it could also be a biblio or auth record that as been deleted |
| 22:19 | but is still in zebra | |
| 22:19 | what i would do tho | |
| 22:20 | is find the 2 places it creates the records (auth and biblio) | |
| 22:20 | and do | |
| 22:20 | if (! $record) { die $idnumber; } | |
| 22:20 | (with correct variable names) | |
| 22:20 | then it will die at the bad record | |
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| 22:28 | jcamins | talljoy_DND: basically what rangi said. |
| 22:28 | talljoy_DND | so place these warns in the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script somewhere. |
| 22:29 | rangi | yep |
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| 22:30 | talljoy_DND | i'll give it a whirl and hope i put i get it right the first time! ;-) |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | if at first you don't succeed. |
| 22:32 | whinge a bit and try again. | |
| 22:32 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | i find whinging essential to my process :P |
| 22:33 | "if I could only make it do this thing wah wah wah ... oh." | |
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| 22:35 | gmcharlt | whinges == itches? :) |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | whinging = whining |
| 23:09 | pianohacker_D | wizzyrea: Like a less trolly version of http://bash.org/?152037 ? |
| 23:11 | cjh | heh awesome |
| 23:11 | pianohacker_D | except most people in here are level-headed enough that it would backfire |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | hm no I could see that working. |
| 23:12 | pianohacker_D | "Koha can't make circulation rules that vary by phase of the moon!" |
| 23:12 | "Well... yeah..." | |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | "voyager does it" |
| 23:12 | EFF THAT LET"S DO IT | |
| 23:12 | :P | |
| 23:12 | ;) | |
| 23:12 | cjh | it could, and for a small down payment... |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | kekekeke |
| 23:12 | pianohacker_D | wizzyrea: oh god that version could work... |
| 23:13 | substitute unicorn, iii or llek depending on what mood you're in that day | |
| 23:14 | wizzyrea | it might not work on me "well voyager is bad and you should feel bad for using it." |
| 23:14 | pianohacker_D | grumpy, trickstery or "some men just want to watch the #koha burn" |
| 23:14 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 23:15 | pianohacker_D | "well, maybe I'll switch back to a _real_ ILS instead of this open-source stuff that's against capitalism!" |
| 23:15 | wizzyrea | "good riddance. |
| 23:15 | * wizzyrea | is not terribly sympathetic. |
| 23:15 | trea | ! |
| 23:15 | pianohacker_D | heh well yeah, that's what /kickban is made for :) |
| 23:15 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 23:16 | pianohacker_D | "trea kicked by wizzyrea (You forgot to fold the laundry!)" |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 23:16 | trea | what's laundry |
| 23:16 | pianohacker_D | hehe |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | *snicker* |
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| 23:29 | cjh | morning cait |
| 23:29 | jcamins | cait?!? |
| 23:29 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 23:30 | cait | vacation :-) |
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| 23:40 | bag | oh enjoy vacation cait |
| 23:40 | cait | only a day -today was a holiday |
| 23:40 | gmcharlt | gah -- nothing quite like nearly sitting on one's cat |
| 23:40 | bag | oh enjoy holiday cait |
| 23:40 | gmcharlt | you'd think I would know to always check first |
| 23:41 | jcamins | gmcharlt: that sentence is wrong. |
| 23:41 | It implies a completely fictitious relationship. | |
| 23:41 | _You_ have a _cat_? | |
| 23:41 | gmcharlt | cait: have a good vacation! |
| 23:41 | jcamins: heh, indeed, the possessive goes the other way | |
| 23:41 | jcamins | The cat is the owner in the relationship. |
| 23:42 | :) | |
| 23:42 | * jcamins | cheerfully merges authority records for Rock music and Rap (Music). |
| 23:43 | jcamins | Bah. I introduced a typo in this round of renames. |
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| 23:45 | eythian | jcamins: you should merge country with rap, to produce "crap" |
| 23:45 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:45 | eythian++ | |
| 23:46 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:47 | trea | no, that's Gangstagrass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgoSyoIQhjU |
| 23:47 | jcamins | Oh, drat. |
| 23:47 | I think I just uploaded the wrong patches. | |
| 23:49 | Nope, right ones. | |
| 23:53 | cait | night |
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| 23:55 | jcamins | rangi++ # calling cars rivers. |
| 23:58 | dcook | What the... |
| 23:58 | wahanui | the is a stop word |
| 23:58 | jcamins | dcook: on twitter. |
| 23:58 | * jcamins | wanders off. |
| 23:58 | dcook | jcamins: ? |
| 23:58 | I was referring to the email where the person was using Debian but not using packages |
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