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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | pianohacker | @zyxel-- |
| 00:00 | huginn` | pianohacker: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:00 | pianohacker | oh right |
| 00:00 | zyxel-- | |
| 00:00 | ^ above make really crappy modems/routers | |
| 00:04 | gmcharlt | I am a little surprised that nobody seems to have ever had an itch that would be scratched by writing a Perl binding for fontconfig |
| 00:06 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I think maybe those itches turned out to be fatal. |
| 00:08 | gmcharlt | I wonder why; fontconfig itself is nothing more than a fancy database |
| 00:08 | jcamins | gmcharlt: sure, but fonts on Linux = guaranteed madness up until recently |
| 00:09 | It was like looking into the abyss... and having it stare back at you. | |
| 00:09 | * jcamins | shudders. |
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| 01:41 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 01:45 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 01:51 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:58 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. |
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| 02:10 | * druthb | duct-tapes talljoy to her chair |
| 02:11 | talljoy | crikey i know. |
| 02:11 | it's pidgin. acting flighty tonight | |
| 02:19 | mtj | can anybody think of a clever way to use .po files to translate the marc21.sql files, into various languages? |
| 02:20 | hmm, druthb - any ideas? ^^ | |
| 02:21 | druthb | mtj: That's a problem I've been thinking about some, but don't have any firm answers for. And the solution would still mean you get *one* language choice, not a true-multi-language system, which irks my sensibilities. |
| 02:22 | mtj | yeah, i clicked to that too |
| 02:23 | a bit like having a marc21 or unimarc system…. but never-ever an ILS that handles *both* formats | |
| 02:23 | druthb | yes. |
| 02:23 | mtj | i still dont fully understand the .po process |
| 02:25 | druthb | as it is *right now*, it pretty much only does templates for admin and opac, plus the sys prefs. Anything in the .pl or sql is untouched. |
| 02:27 | mtj | druthb, its not possible to translate a raw .sql file, is it? |
| 02:27 | … the .sql file needs to have its strings extracted/dumped to another file, for processing? | |
| 02:28 | …and then, ?somehow? the translated strings are substituted back into the .sql file | |
| 02:28 | is that how it works? | |
| 02:29 | druthb | Basically. |
| 02:29 | it's pretty gnarly--you'd have to do that *before* you install! | |
| 02:30 | mtj | or, the RM could build those files when releasing |
| 02:31 | and then those files would not need to be built before installing, coz the RM did that already | |
| 02:34 | hmm, i might leave that chat for another day | |
| 02:35 | mtompset | Just when the ideas were getting interesting. :( |
| 02:38 | druthb | heh. |
| 02:38 | adding_more_RM_work-- | |
| 02:38 | plus, that's not very dynamic. | |
| 02:38 | mtompset | True enough. |
| 02:38 | mtj | hmm, i think ive finally clicked to how the po stuff works |
| 02:39 | yes, perfectly true… but | |
| 02:40 | running a single script to build 50 framework files, is a bunch more dynamic that manually doing it | |
| 02:41 | mtompset | Yes, couldn't that vapour-ware script be run as part of the package/tar.gz building? |
| 02:42 | druthb | yes. What I'd *prefer*, though, is the ability for the system to be truly multilingual. That's going to take some pretty broad DB changes. |
| 02:42 | mtompset | There's probably already some sort of script to run to do the building of the packages or a tar.gz. |
| 02:43 | jcamins | Everyone uses a different script. |
| 02:43 | mtompset | So something like, pull out the strings for the pages from a DB query keyed on and id and language id? |
| 02:44 | jcamins | The problem is not translating. |
| 02:44 | mtj | sorry, when i said 'doing it' , i meant tracking updates to the .sql files |
| 02:44 | jcamins | I mean, someone would have to write the string extracting and merging parts for misc/translator/translate, but that's not technically difficult. |
| 02:45 | The problem is is still that the system is about as multi-lingual as an American. | |
| 02:45 | mtompset | jcamins: Glad an American said that. ;) |
| 02:46 | * jcamins | wanders off to get some sleep. |
| 02:46 | mtompset | Have a good night, jcamins. :) |
| 02:48 | I suppose, I'm not understanding what you mean by truly multilingual, druthb. | |
| 02:49 | mtj | well, atm you can only choose 1 framework, for 1 language |
| 02:49 | druthb | For instance, if you're in the staff client in English mode, and edit a bib, the labels are in English. If you change the staff client to, say French--or Klingon--or whatever, then edit a bib, the labels are in....English. |
| 02:50 | mtompset | Really?! |
| 02:50 | wahanui | really is off now |
| 02:50 | druthb | *everything* should change. And it doesn't. If it's contained in the database, and *not* a syspref description, it's not getting changed, at all. |
| 02:50 | mtompset | I haven't tried, so I wouldn't know. |
| 02:51 | mtj | druthb, to get to where we want to be, we still need a way to have up-to-date frameworks for all langs |
| 02:51 | … so this problem is still relevant | |
| 02:51 | druthb | Oh, absolutely. But Frameworks are just *part* of that. Every piece of text everywhere in the DB that is intended for screen display... |
| 02:51 | mtj | we still need to sort this, before we can get there |
| 02:53 | yep | |
| 02:53 | so we would need a way to display the correct syspref strings, for a users language (as an example) | |
| 02:55 | druthb | yep. Basically, the thinking I'd had is to add a field (to already-bloated tables) for "lang"...and then you select with an additional WHERE for the current language. |
| 02:55 | gnarly, but it'd work. | |
| 02:55 | mtj | in a proper multi-linual koha, we would need to load all syspref strings, for all langs, into the db |
| 02:56 | druthb | yes. At least, for all langs that *that install* wanted to use. |
| 02:56 | mtompset | Yes, that's more of what I was envisioning, mtj. |
| 02:56 | Updates done to that db via a po2db script? ;) | |
| 02:57 | druthb | yep, something like that. |
| 02:57 | mtompset | Question... what about the error logs? |
| 02:58 | would we be even able to multilingual-ize them? | |
| 02:58 | mtj | druthb, i like your idea - it feels like the obvious/correct choice |
| 02:58 | druthb | Obvious, yes, correct--probably...but definitely non-trivial. |
| 02:59 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 02:59 | mtj | hey ftw, google-translate works really well with koha.. |
| 03:02 | …try the 'korean' option, from the google-trans drop-down | |
| 03:03 | you can see it translates the hardcoded english MARC21 field descriptions nicely | |
| 03:04 | * druthb | nominates mtj for Chief Teller Of Non-Anglophones That GTranslate Is Right. |
| 03:07 | mtj | s/nicely/badly/ |
| 03:08 | druthb | mhm. |
| 03:08 | GT works *okay*, *sometimes* for a single word or short phrase. | |
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| 03:57 | druthb | woo hoo! http://transformedwoodworks.co[…]h=1&products_id=1 |
| 04:09 | mtompset | Is there a way to hide branches from results? |
| 04:14 | Better just go to bed. | |
| 04:15 | Have a great day. | |
| 04:20 | talljoy | druthb that looks like a pen you made me! |
| 04:20 | druthb | :) |
| 04:20 | I've been doing some turning lately, plus I had a few from before I left Maryland. | |
| 04:21 | I figured it was high time I got those online. | |
| 04:21 | Setting up Zen-Cart is a minor pain in the patootie. | |
| 04:22 | talljoy | selling your wares! cool. |
| 04:22 | i have to hide my pen from the young 'un. he has a pen fetish. Buys pens with his allowance. odd! | |
| 04:23 | druthb | Plz to give him the link. :D |
| 04:23 | talljoy | i will! |
| 04:24 | druthb | I'm gonna try to get a dozen or so up on the website this weekend. |
| 04:24 | talljoy | is that your pen up there ^^ |
| 04:25 | duh.. i see your NAME in big letters now!!! | |
| 04:25 | druthb | :) |
| 04:25 | how do you like the site layout? | |
| 04:25 | talljoy | sigh...that kind of day. 2 migrations in 24 hours. both with nervous nells |
| 04:25 | i like the site a lot. very nice | |
| 04:26 | druthb | I still have a fair bit of tinkering to do, but it's coming along. |
| 04:27 | talljoy | hey do you read anything by Susan Phillips? |
| 04:27 | http://www.susanephillips.com/ | |
| 04:28 | druthb | I haven't, no |
| 04:28 | talljoy | i went to an author lunch at TLA (just to see Andrew McCarthy) and she was the other author. Anyways, i got a signed copy of her book and read it. Light romance stuff, thought you might enjoy it. I'd be happy to mail it to ya if you PM me your address. |
| 04:29 | druthb | That'd be awesome! Thanks! |
| 04:31 | talljoy | has the minion moved out yet? |
| 04:33 | druthb | Nope; probably be the end of July before all the pieces fall into place. |
| 04:35 | talljoy | then you're an emptynester. found a choir or dance group in houston yet? |
| 04:37 | druthb | Yes, and yes. :D |
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| 04:42 | * druthb | heads for bed! |
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| 08:14 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:14 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on June 01, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
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| 23:18 | jcamins | Woo! Filter win! |
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