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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:16 | Quoc joined #koha | |
| 00:17 | Quoc | Hi every one |
| 00:18 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 00:20 | pianohacker | well, fine |
| 00:20 | *sniff* | |
| 00:20 | eythian | be like that! |
| 00:22 | Quoc joined #koha | |
| 00:22 | * pianohacker | whistles innocently |
| 00:22 | pianohacker | anything we can help you with, Quoc? :) |
| 00:22 | Quoc | There is a meeting here today, after 10hour, isn't it? |
| 00:23 | jcamins | Not to my knowledge. |
| 00:23 | There's one tomorrow about Kohacon. | |
| 00:23 | Quoc | Last meeting i was late 2hours because of checking current time. |
| 00:23 | eythian | title claims the 5th for the next general one. |
| 00:24 | Quoc | Ah, it is about kohaconf. Understand |
| 00:24 | pianohacker | Quoc: are you on a Linux/Mac system, by any chance? |
| 00:24 | Quoc | Yes |
| 00:25 | eythian | Also in Russia it looks like. |
| 00:25 | Quoc | I am using koha on u ubuntu and trying to introduce it in my country, vietnam |
| 00:25 | eythian | oh weird, your IP looks russian. |
| 00:25 | The internet is a strange beast sometimes. | |
| 00:25 | pianohacker | ah, nvm, we're sending links to a timezone converter now |
| 00:25 | Quoc | Rght, i am learning PhD in russia |
| 00:25 | eythian | ah, that'll do it. |
| 00:26 | pianohacker | Quoc: sorry, was going to send you a tip on how to convert times in Linux, but that seems to have gone out of vogue |
| 00:26 | eythian | pianohacker: there's a site for that, you know |
| 00:26 | pianohacker | yup, see it attached to the email now |
| 00:27 | Quoc | It is ok, i can check it on internet |
| 00:27 | pianohacker | so used to mjr's date -d @ followups that I'd forgotten |
| 00:27 | what happened to mjr, btw? | |
| 00:27 | eythian | I dunno. Timezones maybe? |
| 00:27 | Quoc | It is now 12 27 UTC now? |
| 00:27 | eythian | hmm, yeah I think that's right |
| 00:27 | jcamins | pianohacker: slef is still around occasionally. |
| 00:28 | pianohacker | gotcha |
| 00:28 | haven't had an argument about javascript with him in a while, those were always fun | |
| 00:29 | Quoc | Thanks all and see u |
| 00:30 | pianohacker | bye Quoc, have a good day |
| 00:34 | druthb | Hrm....The translation server, and the gateway for SSH-ing into it, are both unavailable at the moment. rangi, that will delay things. |
| 00:35 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:35 | dcook | Morning #koha |
| 00:35 | cjh: Just saw the reference to gitify in my scrollback :p | |
| 00:35 | druthb | @later tell tcohen Both the translation server, and Jacinto, are not working, as of 23 May, 0035 UTC |
| 00:35 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:35 | dcook | That's certainly a plan |
| 00:36 | Ack, my plan* | |
| 00:36 | cjh | excellent :) |
| 00:37 | pianohacker | druthb: that's frustrating. who hosts that anyway? |
| 00:37 | dcook | I might've caught some heat about staying up installing Koha with the Deb packages last night, but...'twas fun. Looking forward to more Debian-related playing |
| 00:37 | cjh | haha |
| 00:37 | druthb | University of Cordoba. tcohen set us up with that, and it's worked *splendidly* |
| 00:38 | (until now) | |
| 00:50 | @later tell tcohen ...and at 0050, it's back! yay! | |
| 00:50 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 01:29 | drnoe joined #koha | |
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| 02:33 | mtompset | Have a good day, everyone. :) |
| 02:38 | dani left #koha | |
| 02:48 | Irma1 joined #koha | |
| 03:31 | pianohacker | night |
| 03:32 | wizzyrea | gnite |
| 03:52 | zebran00b joined #koha | |
| 04:10 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:11 | * cait | waves |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | mornin cait |
| 04:12 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 04:13 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:13 | cait | hi eythian |
| 04:13 | zebran00b | any package experts got a minute to field two questions re: debian install? |
| 04:13 | trea | shoot |
| 04:14 | zebran00b | 1) If I carry out the instructions on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze and then follow the instructions in DEBIAN.install, which step in DEBIAN.install do I start on, 1.5? |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | uh you don't |
| 04:16 | eythian | zebran00b: you look in /usr/share/doc/koha-common/README.Debian |
| 04:16 | trea | ^ |
| 04:16 | eythian | I should really go through and make sure that's up to date. |
| 04:17 | zebran00b | ah. In that case, let me read that and then see if I still have a question 2. |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | I'm wondering if install.debian should change to have the package instructions only |
| 04:17 | well, as totally discrete from doing a dev install | |
| 04:17 | zebran00b | question 2 was "should I follow all instructions as root user, or at some step switch to the new kohauser?" |
| 04:18 | eythian | for the packages, there is no new kohauser |
| 04:18 | zebran00b | wizzyrea: as someone who has no interest in a dev install, I like this idea |
| 04:18 | eythian | you do everything with sudo and they tools take care of making you the right user. |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | it's magic. |
| 04:18 | really. | |
| 04:19 | * zebran00b | *jazz hands!* |
| 04:19 | zebran00b | great, thanks gang |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | yeap |
| 04:41 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #122 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 04:50 | dcook | The Debian packages are totes like magic |
| 04:50 | Last night's install went great | |
| 04:51 | rangi | they usually do |
| 04:51 | dcook | I have a few tweaks to add to the wiki but that's about it |
| 04:51 | rangi | and the upgrades are even easier |
| 04:51 | :) | |
| 04:51 | dcook | Mmm, I was going to ask about upgrades |
| 04:51 | rangi | sudo apt-get update |
| 04:51 | sudo apt-get install koha-common | |
| 04:51 | or if you want to upgrade everything | |
| 04:51 | dcook | Then web installer takes over? |
| 04:51 | rangi | not even needed |
| 04:52 | dcook | Intriguing... |
| 04:52 | rangi | the packages run the updatedatabase.pl |
| 04:52 | dcook | so running install koha-common takes care of that? |
| 04:52 | rangi | yep |
| 04:52 | dcook | So you upgrade all your instances at once |
| 04:52 | rangi | or sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 04:52 | yep | |
| 04:52 | dcook | Sweeeeet |
| 04:52 | rangi | it puts them all into maintenance mode |
| 04:52 | automagically | |
| 04:52 | * dcook | should remember to add that to the wiki as well |
| 04:53 | dcook | I suppose once you start deviating from the mainstream things would be more difficult |
| 04:53 | Although I guess in that case... | |
| 04:54 | rangi | you can roll your own packages |
| 04:54 | cait | you cna build your own packages |
| 04:54 | :) | |
| 04:54 | dcook | You'd be doing your development in Git, building your own packages, and then installing from your own repository |
| 04:54 | Yeah ^_^ | |
| 04:54 | rangi | in debian/build-git-snapshot |
| 04:54 | yep | |
| 04:54 | thats how we do it | |
| 04:54 | eythian | that's how.. |
| 04:54 | snap | |
| 04:54 | cait | and we will... in progress of switching |
| 04:55 | dcook | That's really awesome :) |
| 04:55 | At this stage, I don't know why anyone would want to use anything but Debian packages | |
| 04:55 | cait++ | |
| 04:55 | wizzyrea | neither do we - but people still persist. |
| 04:55 | eythian | development is the main legit reason |
| 04:55 | cait | oh not me in that case :) |
| 04:55 | wizzyrea | not even that really with gitify |
| 04:55 | dcook | eythian: How do you mean? |
| 04:55 | eythian | being forced to use a non debian environment |
| 04:55 | dcook: well, if you are doing dev, you're running from git | |
| 04:56 | cait | my_coworker++ hehe |
| 04:56 | dcook | You've got me confused, eythian! |
| 04:56 | eythian | dcook: reasons why people wouldn't use the packages. |
| 04:56 | dcook | If you're doing dev, you're either using a git clone or gitified git |
| 04:56 | cait | dcook: he does that to people |
| 04:57 | dcook | Mmm, you mean if someone was only developing |
| 04:57 | rangi | eythian: speaking of packages ive pushed tags for 3.8.13 and 3.10.6 |
| 04:57 | eythian | yeah. My dev VM doesn't have the packages installed. |
| 04:57 | rangi: OK | |
| 04:57 | I'll start 3.10 building now | |
| 04:57 | dcook | So you do your dev on your dev VM... |
| 04:57 | rangi | and the tars are in download.koha-community.org |
| 04:57 | dcook | Push to a communal git repo |
| 04:57 | (I assume) | |
| 04:57 | * eythian | no longer cares about 3.8, I think. |
| 04:57 | dcook | Then build packages from that? |
| 04:57 | eythian | dcook: more or less, yeah |
| 04:57 | rangi | cool, ill announce when the packages are ready for 3.10.x |
| 04:58 | ill announce 3.8.13 now and hold of on 3.10.6 until the packages are ready | |
| 04:59 | eythian | OK |
| 05:01 | rangi | thanks |
| 05:02 | eythian | build starting |
| 05:03 | rangi | sweet |
| 05:03 | ill cook food for the horde | |
| 05:10 | dcook | wizzyrea, cjh: So with gitify, it takes your package install and then creates a new git repo using it as a base, or...? |
| 05:11 | eythian | rangi: 3.10.6 uploaded now |
| 05:12 | cjh | dcook: it takes an instance you made with the packages and points it at a supplied git clone |
| 05:12 | dcook: so I often run it as sudo koha-gitify threeeightx /home/chrish/devel/koha | |
| 05:12 | dcook: so now my instance threeeightx uses /home/chrish/devel/koha instead of /usr/share/koha | |
| 05:14 | dcook: that means if I go into /home/chrish/devel/koha and checout a new branch, my instance is now using that branch (as it points at it, no copy is mad) | |
| 05:14 | s/mad/made/ | |
| 05:14 | s/checout/checkout/ # :( | |
| 05:15 | dcook | Ahhh, that's great! |
| 05:16 | cjh++ | |
| 05:16 | cjh | if you wanted you could point instance at a different git clone, but I usually just have 1 or 2 that all my instances point to. |
| 05:16 | point each instance* # this typing thing isnt working for me tonight... | |
| 05:16 | dcook | Part of me wants to try installing Koha from Git/tarball now just to see how to do it...but using anything other than the packages now just seems...needlessly difficult |
| 05:17 | cjh | koha-create, koha-mysql and koha-dump make my life so much easier :) |
| 05:17 | dcook | I can see why :) |
| 05:18 | I'd really like to move from opensuse to Debian at some point.. | |
| 05:18 | When I saw the list of deps coming down when I was installing koha-common... | |
| 05:18 | I instantly was 100x more grateful for using packages | |
| 05:20 | eythian | yeah, that's the most useful thing really |
| 05:23 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #122: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/122/ |
| 05:23 | * D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.10.6 | |
| 05:23 | * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.6 | |
| 05:24 | Starting build #317 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 05:39 | zebran00b | has the debian package been tested on wheezy? Or should I stick with squeeze to be sure? |
| 05:42 | nevermind, saw the mailing list post | |
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| 06:01 | rangi | evening |
| 06:01 | drojf: | |
| 06:01 | hmm without : | |
| 06:01 | dcook | hey ya drojf |
| 06:01 | cait | hi drojf, hi rangi |
| 06:02 | drojf | good morning rangi, dcook and cait |
| 06:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #317: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/317/ |
| 06:03 | * D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.8.13 | |
| 06:03 | * Chris Cormack: 3.8.13 release notes | |
| 06:04 | drojf | rangi++ # more kohas! |
| 06:05 | rangi | heh |
| 06:05 | my last ones for a while :) | |
| 06:06 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 06:07 | drojf | looks like my laptop power supply is really dead now. that's not good :( |
| 06:07 | magnuse | "a while"? ;-) |
| 06:08 | cait | drojf: :( |
| 06:09 | drojf | with more twisting and turning, it works again. i have been doing that for too long, i should either try to really fix it or get a new one :D |
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| 06:24 | drojf | i'm good at killing cables these days. on tuesday i made my headphones explode into three parts when they got caught in a pollard i walked by :( |
| 06:25 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 06:25 | * magnuse | looks up pollard |
| 06:25 | drojf | i had to look it up to, in english :D |
| 06:25 | and i mean bollard | |
| 06:25 | its poller in german | |
| 06:25 | cjh | jonathan pollard? |
| 06:26 | magnuse | ah, "pullert" in norwegian, it seems :-) |
| 06:26 | * dcook | had never heard of bollard before |
| 06:26 | cjh | badluck about the headphones :( |
| 06:26 | dcook | But now I have a new word :D |
| 06:26 | * dcook | agrees with cjh |
| 06:27 | drojf | like this, but not as beautiful ^^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]ondon_Bollard.jpg |
| 06:27 | cjh | heh I had that open :) |
| 06:27 | drojf | :D |
| 06:27 | dcook | Interesting |
| 06:27 | wahanui | rumour has it Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 06:27 | dcook | I saw this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bollard |
| 06:27 | Errm | |
| 06:27 | The top one | |
| 06:27 | wahanui | i think the top one is patches waiting signoff/qa |
| 06:27 | magnuse | tcohen++ for documenting release maintenance on the wiki |
| 06:27 | * dcook | falls for wahanui every time |
| 06:27 | dcook | tochen++ |
| 06:27 | tcohen++ | |
| 06:28 | They both deserve it | |
| 06:28 | I really should read that... | |
| 06:32 | magnuse | about the bollard or about rmaint work? ;-) |
| 06:33 | drojf | lol |
| 06:34 | dcook | :p |
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| 06:42 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:43 | rangi | hi christophe_c |
| 06:48 | christophe_c | hello rangi |
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| 06:50 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:50 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 06:59 | jajm_ | hello |
| 06:59 | wahanui | que tal, jajm_ |
| 07:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:07 | zebran00b | ok, package installation going smoothly except I can access instancename.domain, but not instancename-intra.domain. |
| 07:08 | dcook | night folks |
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| 07:14 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 07:14 | asaurat | hi! |
| 07:16 | marcelr | hi asaurat |
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| 07:19 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:19 | wahanui | germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:19 | kf | good morning wahanui |
| 07:19 | good morning #koha ;) | |
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| 07:21 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:22 | marcelr | hi kf and gaetan_B |
| 07:22 | kf | hi marcelr and gaetan_B |
| 07:22 | marcelr | kf: what do you think about the new text in bug 9824? |
| 07:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Hide basket with no expected items in basket list by bookseller |
| 07:23 | kf | hm it's quite long |
| 07:23 | it's clear tho :) | |
| 07:24 | maybe better ask a native speaker later on? | |
| 07:24 | marcelr | np |
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| 07:30 | zebran00b | er, I'm using the debian package and I think I had the wrong koha-sites.conf settings when I created my instance. How do I delete the instance and make a new one? |
| 07:32 | kf | marcelr: would you be ok with switching 9824 to needs sign off? i think it woudl be a bit more clean and somoene, maybe oleonard could take a look at the strings |
| 07:38 | marcelr | kf: done |
| 07:39 | kf | thx :) |
| 07:39 | marcelr++ | |
| 07:40 | marcelr | i'd rather get patches in the other direction :) |
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| 07:40 | kf | :) think that will be the majority |
| 07:40 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
| 07:40 | marcelr | hi samueld |
| 07:40 | kf | hi samueld |
| 07:42 | samueld | i've a question of ldap (if someone can answer): how password have to be encoded? We try to connect koha with our ldap. It seems to have a dialog between both but i think there's a problem of password |
| 07:44 | kf | hm, we didn't test ldap yet |
| 07:44 | i was under the impression that you didn't need to store the password locally | |
| 07:47 | samueld | we have also this impression but at this stage, koha can't add a member from ldap |
| 07:48 | kf | do you have the other mandatory fields set up? branchcode, categorycode? |
| 07:48 | cardnumber? | |
| 07:48 | wahanui | somebody said cardnumber was passed in with the call to patronimage.pl |
| 07:49 | samueld | yes, the mapping is complete |
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| 09:09 | rangi | peep this http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]p?s=Koha&p=all&c= |
| 09:13 | mtj | woah, nice one! |
| 09:13 | rangi | it will get more interesting over time |
| 09:14 | mtj | from here? -> https://github.com/bayoteers/Metrics |
| 09:15 | cjh | neato! |
| 09:15 | rangi | yup |
| 09:15 | with a bit of hackery | |
| 09:15 | to make it work with our bugzilla not just meego :) | |
| 09:15 | mtj | rangi++ |
| 09:17 | samueld | oups, my zebra don't works any more. How can i fix it as a service? I've follow the instructions on the documentation but i keep the problem |
| 09:18 | rangi | fg |
| 09:18 | heh | |
| 09:18 | samueld | ln -s /home/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
| 09:18 | update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults | |
| 09:23 | mtj | wow, those bam stats are pretty handy |
| 09:23 | rangi | samueld: what is the actual error you are having? |
| 09:26 | samueld | when i do a research, it fails. Thats'a point i don't really understand. How can i fix my zebra as a service? |
| 09:31 | mtj | heya samueld, are you using the deb packages? |
| 09:31 | samueld | no, it's a git install |
| 09:32 | mtj | aah, ok |
| 09:32 | for my git/dev installs… i just start zebra manually | |
| 09:33 | $ zebrasrv -f ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml | |
| 09:34 | … or is it the zebra *indexing* you want to automate | |
| 09:35 | samueld | ok, i make the test |
| 09:36 | ok but if i log off the server, it is disconnected | |
| 09:36 | mtj | use nohup |
| 09:37 | $ nohup zebrasrv -f ~/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml & | |
| 09:39 | samueld | ok, it seems to be good |
| 09:41 | mtj | ah cool… its a simple technique, but it works well for dev/testing |
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| 09:44 | zebran00b | Installed the debian package, but can't figure out apache settings. One way I get the OPAC and no staff client, another way I get vice versa. Help? |
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| 09:58 | zebran00b | anybody know why after package install domain:80 would point to default HTML page in /var/www instead of OPAC? |
| 09:59 | magnuse | zebran00b: did you disable the default apache site? |
| 10:01 | zebran00b | how do I do that? |
| 10:02 | kf | sudo a2dissite default I think |
| 10:02 | magnuse | sudo a2dissite 000-default |
| 10:02 | something like that | |
| 10:02 | kf | ah :) |
| 10:02 | magnuse++ | |
| 10:02 | magnuse | have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and see what is listed there |
| 10:02 | zebran00b | right, I saw 000-default in sites-enabled. Nice all magnuse+++ |
| 10:03 | magnuse | whoa - lots of flooding in the south of norway |
| 10:03 | kf | ouch :( |
| 10:04 | lakes and rivers pretty full of water here right now too | |
| 10:05 | zebran00b | big storms out there? |
| 10:05 | magnuse | lots of rain at least, and probably smelting snow from the mountains |
| 10:08 | zebran00b | stay dry fellas, thanks again |
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| 10:42 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Getting an error for squeeze-old packages" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/23 |
| 10:43 | jcamins | magnuse: is squeeze-old new? |
| 10:43 | magnuse | i changed "squeeze" to "squeeze-old" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and when i try to "apt-get update" i get an error |
| 10:43 | jcamins: good morning :-) | |
| 10:43 | i thought... | |
| 10:43 | jcamins | But what's squeeze-old? |
| 10:43 | magnuse | squeeze-dev = master |
| 10:43 | squeeze = 3.12 | |
| 10:44 | squeeze-old = 3.10 | |
| 10:44 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 10:44 | magnuse | now that 3.12 is out |
| 10:44 | jcamins | I didn't realize that eythian changed the name. |
| 10:44 | It used to be oldstable. | |
| 10:44 | magnuse | oh, perhaps i'm confused |
| 10:45 | yeah, i'm probably doing it wrong | |
| 10:45 | yup | |
| 10:45 | pebkac | |
| 10:45 | my bad | |
| 10:47 | kf | does someone know maybe if you can repeat the print of hold slips? |
| 10:48 | if the printer messed up or the borrower stole it or whatever? | |
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| 11:01 | jcamins | kf: I'm not sure, sorry. |
| 11:02 | kf | jcamins: np thx |
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| 11:59 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 11:59 | magnuse | kia ora, oleonard! |
| 11:59 | oleonard | Looks like mibbit has dropped OFTC. |
| 12:00 | jcamins | oleonard: OFTC blocked mibbit. |
| 12:00 | I think someone told me why, but I confess to not listening. | |
| 12:01 | oleonard: I have a question. Should yui-main be an ID? | |
| 12:01 | It seems weird, since everything else is a class. | |
| 12:02 | I guess there is a reference to #yui-main in the YUI CSS files. | |
| 12:02 | kf | hm maybe because main is only one? |
| 12:02 | jcamins | That's kind of inconsistent. |
| 12:03 | kf_mtg: I guess. | |
| 12:08 | marcelr | hi oleonard; do you as native speaker agree with the small textual change on bug 9824 ? katrin had some doubts.. someone else signed it off already |
| 12:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Hide basket with no expected items in basket list by bookseller |
| 12:09 | oleonard | I have doubts |
| 12:09 | marcelr | hi jcamins; would you mind to take another look at bug 8952 ? |
| 12:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , Add http:// to url in social media links on opac-detail |
| 12:10 | marcelr | oleonard: how would you improve the text? |
| 12:11 | oleonard | How about simply "Show active baskets only" and "Show all baskets" as the links |
| 12:11 | jcamins | marcelr: sure. |
| 12:11 | marcelr | would be good for me |
| 12:11 | oleonard | No explanatory text necessary outside of the links. |
| 12:11 | marcelr | i will update the patch |
| 12:12 | thx | |
| 12:16 | jcamins | marcelr: I confirm that when I apply that patch the social media links all point to https even though I'm using http. |
| 12:16 | marcelr | jcamins: should be a problem on other places too? |
| 12:17 | where this use_https was used? | |
| 12:17 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 12:17 | marcelr | very strange |
| 12:17 | jcamins | That's the only thing that changed. |
| 12:18 | marcelr | well, will have a look later then; put it on bugzilla; thx |
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| 12:24 | NateC | hello #koha :) |
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| 12:37 | oleonard | @later tell wizzyrea No more OFTC on mibbit. I was able to connect through https://kiwiirc.com |
| 12:37 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
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| 13:01 | jcamins | Does anyone know the template variable for the currency symbol? |
| 13:01 | kf_mtg | hm |
| 13:01 | i don't think we have one yet | |
| 13:01 | well we have, but it should really be a plugin | |
| 13:01 | for formatting | |
| 13:01 | Dyrcona | #koha never sleeps. |
| 13:02 | kf_mtg | Dyrcona: nope :) |
| 13:02 | jcamins | Except I don't have a number I want formatted. |
| 13:02 | kf_mtg | but it's not always makeing sense, like me now |
| 13:02 | jcamins | I _just_ want the symbol. |
| 13:02 | $, £, whatever. | |
| 13:03 | kf_mtg | one of the problems is, that not all libaries use the symbol there, often it's iso codes |
| 13:03 | which makes sense - else you could not differentiate between the different $ | |
| 13:03 | jcamins | In those cases the symbol is EUR, USD, CAD, whatever. |
| 13:04 | kf_mtg | ok, really, ignore me. I just came out of a meeting |
| 13:04 | * kf_mtg | nick kf |
| 13:04 | jcamins | We set it in Currencies and exchange rates but I'm having some trouble figuring out how we then use it. |
| 13:05 | * kf_mtg | is not surprised |
| 13:05 | kf_mtg | we removed the currency symbol from a lot of templates |
| 13:05 | if you look at a patron record for example, you will see we don't use it there | |
| 13:05 | i think thre is no real solution for your problem in koha now | |
| 13:05 | what we need is another include/plugin etc. | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | Oh, we just don't use a symbol _at all_. |
| 13:06 | Thanks. | |
| 13:06 | kf_mtg | um right |
| 13:07 | jcamins | I think we changed that since 3.6, didn't we? |
| 13:07 | kf_mtg | hm |
| 13:08 | i think we had already removed the $ from everywhere in 3.6 | |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Hmm. I guess this screenshot is older, then. |
| 13:08 | kf_mtg | I remember there used to be hardcoded $ |
| 13:10 | jcamins | Yeah, I remember that. I thought that there was a way to change it for a while. |
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| 13:14 | kf_mtg | @later tell gmcharlt we did some batch changes in bugzilla this morning - bugs pushed in 2012 > closed fixed and later pushed patches up to may 2013 > resolved fixed, there are about 100 bugs in pushed status right now :) |
| 13:14 | huginn | kf_mtg: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:14 | kf | also for the logs |
| 13:14 | :) | |
| 13:16 | * druthb | waves at kf |
| 13:16 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 13:16 | druthb | :D |
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| 13:29 | jcamins | Alas, no oleonard. |
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| 13:41 | druthb | Well, looks like I'm going to make KohaCon after all, maybe. It's looking promising for me to come in for a couple of days, anyway. |
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| 13:57 | nengard | kohacon program updated: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Program |
| 13:57 | to include druthb | |
| 13:58 | druthb | nengard++ |
| 13:58 | kf | :) |
| 13:59 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 13:59 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) |
| 13:59 | gmcharlt | kf++ |
| 14:00 | druthb | kf++ |
| 14:01 | kf | gmcharlt: so it was ok? :) |
| 14:01 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 14:03 | * McCloud[A] | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 14:03 | oleonard | Thanks for the update McCloud[A] |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 14:04 | * druthb | waves to oleonard. |
| 14:04 | jcamins | oleonard: ooh, you're back! |
| 14:04 | oleonard | Yes, I'm back!! |
| 14:04 | jcamins | Good! |
| 14:04 | I have a question for you. | |
| 14:04 | * oleonard | is 100% ears |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt | there's an image! |
| 14:05 | druthb | beat me to it, gmcharlt. |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 14:05 | jcamins | If I want to record a payment using entirely Javascript, do you prefer A) a Javascript prompt, B) a Bootstrap modal, or C) something non-modal? |
| 14:06 | I prefer C) something non-modal, but I feel like Koha tends to take a more modal approach to actions. | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | I don't think we're very consistent, so I think you should choose what you prefer |
| 14:06 | ...off the top of my head, not knowing what the context is. | |
| 14:07 | jcamins | I'll take a screenshot. |
| 14:07 | ... maybe... | |
| 14:07 | * jcamins | waits for Jing. |
| 14:07 | oleonard | One must do a lot of that mustn't one? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | http://screencast.com/t/7dz7kvrM |
| 14:08 | The blue "Record fine payment" link. | |
| 14:09 | It's for recording a fine. And I'm trying to figure out what form that fine recording should take. | |
| 14:09 | oleonard | And your choice would be for the link to trigger a form to appear within the tab? |
| 14:09 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 14:10 | oleonard | Seems reasonable to me |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Thanks. |
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| 14:15 | kf | jcamins: you didn't ask - but i think form in tab sounds good :) |
| 14:15 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:16 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5b6f18d268b5a2f60> |
| 14:17 | oleonard | I think we could do more with modals, but I've been too focused on other things to see how well the Bootstrap version could work for what we do. |
| 14:17 | Greybox has turned out to be hard to beat. | |
| 14:18 | jcamins | I don't really have any issues with greybox, aside from my categorical dislike of modals. |
| 14:19 | oleonard | I would simply like to see our number of dependencies go down, that's all. |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Agreed... that would be really nice. |
| 14:20 | oleonard | I think modals are going to be necessary in the OPAC to be more mobile-friendly (Cart, cart download, list download, add comment, etc.) |
| 14:21 | jcamins | If you don't want to embed them on the page with AJAX, yeah, probably. |
| 14:21 | oleonard | Yeah not all of those will need to be solved the same way. |
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| 14:43 | jcamins | oleonard: something like this seem reasonable: http://screencast.com/t/axYzzU25 |
| 14:43 | ? | |
| 14:44 | oleonard | Yes, although I wouldn't show the table headers if there's no data |
| 14:44 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:44 | kf | :) |
| 14:44 | jcamins | I haven't added showing the transaction in the table yet, just showing the table. |
| 14:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]04ea9e6f888b4b9ff> / Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7ba38d68208eb2ca7> |
| 14:48 | jcamins | On the subject of hiding things, the correct way to handle something that is only displayed by Javascript is to put an inline "display: none;" right? |
| 14:49 | We do that elsewhere. | |
| 14:49 | slef | only if you don't want it accessible otherwise; more often, you want to display it, then hide it when javascript is run. |
| 14:49 | jcamins | slef: in this case, it is for JS-based offline circ, so if JS isn't running, it shouldn't show up, ever. |
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| 14:52 | oleonard | jcamins: Just to nit-pick, it doesn't have to be inline either if you want to add it to the CSS file. |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Okay, so that's considered good practice, then, changing it in the CSS file? |
| 14:55 | oleonard | From a customization point of view, it's more flexible. Not sure if that factors into this case. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | (instead of inline) |
| 14:55 | All the styling I'm doing in staff-global.css. | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Inline styles override custom CSS |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Right, but so does $('#elem').show() |
| 14:56 | kf | hm looking at the rain outside... i think I should stay a while longer |
| 14:56 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]967d4c8cf3ce83570> |
| 14:57 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:57 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.2°C (4:55 PM CEST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:08 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9806: Remove single pixel on the basketgroup table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]05f77a3f1a7a3a148> / Bug 9806 : QA Followup - use template plugin for branch names <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fbea60e300380452c> / Bug 9806 : Add new columns to basket groups lists <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k | |
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| 15:10 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 15:10 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 19.0°C (4:50 PM CEST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
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| 15:11 | slef | magnuse: not fail |
| 15:11 | @wunder EGCL | |
| 15:11 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Gedney Hill, Spalding, United Kingdom is 8.6°C (4:01 PM BST on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:11 | slef | magnuse: not fair, I mean. |
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| 15:16 | Dyrcona | @wunder 01845 |
| 15:16 | huginn | Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 17.5°C (11:13 AM EDT on May 23, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:19 | oleonard | kf I'm pretty sure Bug 10316 is a duplicate |
| 15:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Some patron search options missing in advanced search on patron record |
| 15:21 | pianohacker | slef: hi there |
| 15:21 | wahanui | privet, pianohacker |
| 15:21 | jcamins | It strikes me there is not actually any reason not to show the "Pay fines" form all the time. |
| 15:23 | slef | pianohacker: hello. I'm not really here until July :-/ |
| 15:24 | pianohacker | slef: I greet your ghost happily |
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| 15:31 | magnuse | sorry slef |
| 15:33 | kf | oleonard: i have to confess i had that thought too but didn't find it |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I find it absolutely baffling that there is no functionality for retrieving URL parameters built into JS or at least jQuery. |
| 15:34 | oleonard | Yeah I agree jcamins |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Is there a way we do that elsewhere? |
| 15:35 | oleonard | I don't think so, although I could be misremembering. |
| 15:35 | Seems like something I've dealt with before, but maybe for something else... | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | It kind of offends me to add an entire jQuery plugin. |
| 15:38 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 9722: DBrev 3.13.00.004 to add OpacShowHoldNotes syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ab107e10738fcace8> / bug 9722: (followup) allow patrons to see hold notes in their summary <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]01190e7944083ce99> / Bug 9722: Toggle display of hold notes with Edit notes button <http://git.koha |
| 15:41 | * jcamins | contemplates combining the offline circ pages into one. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | I'm having a devil of a time figuring out how to exchange data between multiple pages using Javascript, and it strikes me this might be because really it should just be one page. |
| 15:42 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:43 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1195: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1195/ |
| 15:43 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page | |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , adding header search to additem page |
| 15:44 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1196 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 16:08 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 10052: DBrev 3.13.00.005 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a8e74b1a4c1e48eb> / Bug 10052: QA Followup <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]51a25ecffc0bc92f2> / Bug 10052 Followup for edithelp.tt and help-top.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8294bb6542a9d5567 |
| 16:09 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
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| 16:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10129: Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fb629fc09229d534c> |
| 16:39 | oleonard | kf: Better like this? http://screencast.com/t/KSpSkJ1te |
| 16:41 | kf | yep :) |
| 16:41 | not sure about the username, the complaint was focused on the passwords :) | |
| 16:42 | oleonard | Seemed like I might as well keep it consistent |
| 16:42 | http://www.mcsweeneys.net/arti[…]ut-over-the-phone | |
| 16:43 | kf | lol |
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| 16:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1196: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1196/ |
| 16:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE | |
| 16:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE | |
| 16:59 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders | |
| 16:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10310 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Prevent submit form pressing enter should be improved |
| 16:59 | jenkins_koha | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9806 : Add new columns to basket groups lists |
| 16:59 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 9806 : QA Followup - use template plugin for branch names | |
| 16:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9806: Remove single pixel on the basketgroup table | |
| 16:59 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac | |
| 16:59 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac (dbrev) | |
| 16:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10313 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , selecting an invoice from the historic orders page does not take you to that invoice |
| 16:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Show more information on basketgroups lists | |
| 16:59 | jenkins_koha | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9722: Toggle display of hold notes with Edit notes button |
| 16:59 | * Galen Charlton: bug 9722: (followup) allow patrons to see hold notes in their summary | |
| 16:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9722 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Allow users to add notes when placing a hold in opac |
| 16:59 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: bug 9722: DBrev 3.13.00.004 to add OpacShowHoldNotes syspref |
| 17:00 | Starting build #1197 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 17:10 | rambutan1 | meeting? |
| 17:10 | ah, can't do that... | |
| 17:12 | drojf | meeting? |
| 17:13 | oh, the kohacon meeting. not really important for me, sadly. | |
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| 17:14 | * oleonard | suggests drojf picture going through US customs to make himself feel better |
| 17:15 | drojf | oleonard: LOL yeah, i was considering coming with a notebook without harddrive, buy a usb stick there and install a fresh debian to get around the "we can have all your data if we want to"-policy |
| 17:16 | oleonard | It's an ugly situation. |
| 17:16 | Of course even after that you have to consider your internet and phone traffic to be monitored at all times | |
| 17:17 | drojf | that is not different over here :/ |
| 17:17 | kf | bye all |
| 17:18 | oleonard | I did not know that drojf |
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| 17:19 | drojf | you know, there is all that terrorism everywhere. ony the surveillance state can protect us :( |
| 17:20 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 17:20 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:20 | drojf | of course that surveillance state did a great job looking the other way when the only real terror group killed people… noenazis are not a problem ^^ |
| 17:20 | *neonazis | |
| 17:20 | hi mtompset | |
| 17:22 | mtompset | drojf: Do you think it wise to discuss nazis neo or otherwise on this channel? It could turn into a Reductio Ad Hilterum type argument. ;) But seriously, touchy topic. |
| 17:23 | drojf | with all that surveillance… we should not discuss anything on the internet :D |
| 17:25 | oleonard | mtompset: Touchy topic? You should see when we talk about Live DVDs. |
| 17:25 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 17:26 | mtompset | Point noted, oleonard. |
| 17:27 | drojf | rofl |
| 17:28 | yay, got a raspberry pi camera module | |
| 17:28 | how do i catalogue a live stream in MARC? | |
| 17:30 | pianohacker | well, you could figure out the actual correct metadata |
| 17:30 | or do the current popular trend and just punt it into 856u | |
| 17:30 | @marc 856 | |
| 17:30 | huginn | pianohacker: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message) |
| 17:33 | drojf | hm yes maybe i can tweak the embedded video patch a little ;) |
| 17:34 | once i find out how that thing works at all | |
| 17:36 | mtompset | catalogue a live stream? By the time you catalogue it, it could be over. |
| 17:38 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 17:43 | mtompset | Okay... let's say I authenticate against a SAML source and it returns attributes to Koha, what's the best way to map those to relevant borrowers fields? in koha_conf.xml like the ldapserver? |
| 18:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1197: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1197/ |
| 18:12 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: Db revision for intranetstylesheet | |
| 18:12 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: Make intranetstylesheet and intranetcolorstylesheet behave exactly like their opac counterparts | |
| 18:12 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052 Followup for edithelp.tt and help-top.inc | |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10052 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make intranetstylesheet and intranetcolorstylesheet behave exactly like their opac counterparts |
| 18:12 | jenkins_koha | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10052: QA Followup |
| 18:12 | * Galen Charlton: bug 10052: DBrev 3.13.00.005 | |
| 18:12 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10129: Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults | |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10129 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Babeltheque does not depend on COinSinOPACResults |
| 18:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1198 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 18:27 | jcamins | cooking help? |
| 18:27 | wahanui | cooking help is, like, http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/ |
| 18:31 | drojf | lol |
| 18:33 | mtompset | Why would we want cooking help? |
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| 18:47 | cait | bgkriegel++ :) |
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| 19:58 | rangi | thats pretty sweet |
| 19:58 | cos they will graduate, go work at law firms | |
| 19:58 | and say, why dont we have koha here | |
| 19:59 | cait | :) |
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| 20:02 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]php?s=Koha&p=Koha |
| 20:03 | so the inflow is bugs moving into new/assigned/needs signoff/reopened etc | |
| 20:03 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 20:03 | rangi | outflow = resolved, pushed, closed |
| 20:03 | the first day is a bit false | |
| 20:03 | ie everything moves into inflow | |
| 20:03 | and we did close a massive bunch | |
| 20:04 | but on average days itd be nice to have them around the same :) | |
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| 20:05 | oleonard | I want to run a T:T thing by you guys while rangi is here |
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| 20:05 | oleonard | In the Bootstrap OPAC redesign I'm trying to keep JS at the end of each template |
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| 20:05 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
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| 20:06 | cait | morning kathryn :) |
| 20:06 | oleonard | What I've worked out is to have this at the end of the footer include: [% PROCESS jsinclude %] |
| 20:06 | kathryn | hiya cait :) |
| 20:06 | rangi | cool |
| 20:06 | ebegin | Hey ! Is there a rules for not posting jobs on the mailing lists ? :) |
| 20:06 | rangi | thats how i'd do it |
| 20:06 | oleonard | Then each individual page template has [% BLOCK jsinclude %][% END %] |
| 20:07 | ...or a block with actual JS in it. | |
| 20:07 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:07 | jcamins | oleonard: that makes sense to me. |
| 20:07 | rangi | and now the caching template fragments has been pushed |
| 20:07 | you could even in future | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | With the proviso that I'd think about using an include if the JS is shared. |
| 20:07 | rangi | cache.inc |
| 20:07 | it | |
| 20:07 | ebegin: is it a koha job? | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | ebegin: there is no such rule. |
| 20:08 | oleonard | jcamins: The main footer include has most of the JS stuff in it, but some individual pages need their own JS stuff |
| 20:08 | ebegin | Yes, a Koha job, of course ! :) |
| 20:08 | rangi | i dont see a problem with that |
| 20:08 | jcamins | oleonard: then, yes, that's perfect. |
| 20:08 | ebegin | Thanks ;) |
| 20:08 | rangi | someone will im sure, but i wouldnt let that stop you |
| 20:08 | :) | |
| 20:08 | drojf | there is always someone… |
| 20:08 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:08 | oleonard | Cool, I'm glad that sounds sane, because it seems to work well. |
| 20:08 | rangi | hmm new bugzilla out, i need to upgrade |
| 20:09 | oleonard | I just didn't much like needing the empty BLOCK on some pages. |
| 20:09 | No big deal though. | |
| 20:09 | drojf | oleonard: and the working well part made you think it sounds insane? :D |
| 20:09 | * ebegin | is looking for 2 full time programmers in beautiful Montreal, just to let you know :) |
| 20:09 | rangi | oh sweet |
| 20:10 | jcamins: can you remember the bug number for the caching template fragments? | |
| 20:10 | cait | ebegin: sounds like a big project :) |
| 20:10 | rangi: i will find it | |
| 20:10 | jcamins | rangi: ummm... |
| 20:10 | No. | |
| 20:10 | oleonard | drojf: Even a Rube Goldberg machine can be considered to "work" |
| 20:10 | cait | bug 7387? |
| 20:10 | jcamins | ebegin: I'd better not tell my wife... she loves Montreal! |
| 20:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7387 new feature, P1 - high, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes |
| 20:10 | * druthb | codes up a Rube Goldberg Koha emulator in Java. |
| 20:11 | rangi | awesome thanks cait |
| 20:11 | druthb | "If you have a problem, and decide to deal with it in Java, then you have a ProblemFactory." |
| 20:11 | rangi | oleonard: i dunno if that would be any use to you |
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| 20:11 | ebegin | jcamins, you'll love it too ;) |
| 20:12 | druthb | "If you decide to deal with it in Perl, then you have more than one way to have a problem." |
| 20:13 | oleonard | rangi: Can you elaborate on what are good cases for include caching? |
| 20:13 | rangi | any time the include has to be populated with a lot of data |
| 20:13 | jcamins | ebegin: oh, I did love Montreal when we visited. :) |
| 20:13 | ebegin | cait : We do have indeed few projects in process and some other to come too. I don't want to be busy working 60+ hours a week for the rest of my life |
| 20:13 | rangi | or it does calculations etc |
| 20:14 | * jcamins | doesn't know what that means... "not working 60+ hours a week." ;) |
| 20:14 | rangi | oleonard: ie i could see a good case for caching the news as an include |
| 20:14 | cait | ebegin: that sounds a lot wiser than i feel during my work days right now :) |
| 20:15 | rangi | oleonard: it changes rarely, you could easily cache it for an hour, then instead of fetching the news items from the db each page view, it just pulls the rendered html straight out of memcached |
| 20:15 | oleonard | rangi: That's a good example because it's the same for different users. |
| 20:15 | jcamins | Or fastmmap. :) |
| 20:15 | rangi | oleonard: exactly |
| 20:15 | jcamins: yep that too :) any cache backend | |
| 20:16 | jcamins | My goodness. That's a torrential downpour. |
| 20:16 | rangi | oleonard: however you can cache per user too |
| 20:16 | jcamins | I think possibly if it slows down I will use that as my cue to leave. |
| 20:16 | rangi | the cache key can be template + sessionid etc |
| 20:16 | so if there is something slow to render | |
| 20:17 | but doesnt change much with a user | |
| 20:17 | thats good too | |
| 20:17 | what it does is shift load off apache and the db | |
| 20:17 | the more things are cachable the more adding another frontend server helps | |
| 20:18 | it wont automatically be faster, but it will survive a lot more traffic | |
| 20:18 | </rant> | |
| 20:18 | oleonard | That's an interesting distinction. |
| 20:18 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:19 | a lot of people see caching as a speed thing | |
| 20:19 | its not really | |
| 20:19 | its a scale thing | |
| 20:19 | jcamins | In fact, it's really not. |
| 20:19 | rangi | it will become a speed thing only under load |
| 20:19 | ok im outta here bbl | |
| 20:20 | oleonard | Me too. Where l in bbl is in 16 hours. |
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| 21:07 | cait | @later tell oleonard could you take a look at bug 10184 maybe? From the history it looks like oyu set it failed QA before Frederic's comment, maybe you can add a quick note what the problem is? |
| 21:07 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:30 | cait | too tired to stay awake for the kohacon meeting i think :( |
| 21:30 | good night all! | |
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| 21:31 | bag | was there a bug recently with something that said erroneous log messages or something? I thought I saw that falsh by |
| 21:31 | flash | |
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| 22:00 | John_C | hello |
| 22:00 | rangi | hi John_C |
| 22:00 | nancyk | #startmeeting KohaCon 13 May Planning Meeting |
| 22:00 | huginn | Meeting started Thu May 23 22:00:45 2013 UTC. The chair is nancyk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: KohaCon 13 May Planning Meeting) | |
| 22:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon_13_may_planning_meeting' |
| 22:01 | nancyk | #info NancyK Chair |
| 22:01 | rangi | #info Chris C, catalyst IT |
| 22:01 | nancyk | hey chris is it just us again? |
| 22:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher , Bywater |
| 22:02 | nope!!! | |
| 22:02 | nancyk++ | |
| 22:02 | trea | #info Thatcher Rea, Bywater Solutions |
| 22:02 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT |
| 22:02 | John_C | #info John Crockett, Washoe County Library System |
| 22:02 | bag | hey John |
| 22:02 | melia | #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions |
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| 22:03 | John_C | Hi Brendan! |
| 22:03 | larryb | #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions |
| 22:03 | dani | #info Danielle Elder, ByWater Solutions |
| 22:04 | nancyk | #topic Agenda I forgot to make one. So I will report, and take any suggestions or questions |
| 22:04 | Topic for #koha is now Agenda I forgot to make one. So I will report, and take any suggestions or questions (Meeting topic: KohaCon 13 May Planning Meeting) | |
| 22:04 | nancyk | #info There are approximately 63 people registered for KohaCon 13 |
| 22:04 | rangi | nice, its building up nicely |
| 22:04 | bag | oh great! |
| 22:04 | pianohacker | #info Jesse Weaver, ByWater Solutions |
| 22:05 | bag | I'd love to see 150 |
| 22:05 | nancyk | #info A Digital Flier will soon be ready to pass around. It will invite people to come to KohaCon 13, especially those not yet using Koha |
| 22:05 | rangi | i imagine a lot of htose are overseas so far .. cos they have to decide earlier :) |
| 22:05 | bag | nancyk: NateC will ove you :) |
| 22:05 | s/ove/love | |
| 22:05 | rangi | nancyk: great idea |
| 22:05 | bag | :P |
| 22:05 | nancyk | He already does. |
| 22:06 | #info Call for Sponsors will be sent out next week and will be on the web site and wiki. | |
| 22:06 | drnoe | #info David Noe, ByWater Solutions |
| 22:06 | bag | nancyk++ |
| 22:06 | nancyk | #info The Saturday trip will most likely be to Lake Tahoe, with a paddlewheel boat tour of Emerald Bay. I hope to get a donation for the transport up and back. |
| 22:07 | melia | yay! Emerald Bay is lovely |
| 22:07 | rangi | w00t!! |
| 22:07 | bag | sounds awesome - rangi you'll love that |
| 22:07 | nancyk | #info There may also be a Makerspace tour at UNR University of Nevada Reno on Saturday for those who want to stay in town. |
| 22:07 | rangi | cool |
| 22:07 | nancyk | #topic Any suggestions or questions? |
| 22:07 | Topic for #koha is now Any suggestions or questions? (Meeting topic: KohaCon 13 May Planning Meeting) | |
| 22:08 | rangi | programme is starting to look good |
| 22:08 | all i might suggest | |
| 22:08 | is ask anthony (since he is coming all the way from taiwan) | |
| 22:08 | if he would like a bit more time | |
| 22:09 | im happy to take some off my talk if that helps | |
| 22:09 | nancyk | ok, good |
| 22:09 | bag | are MakerSpaces big other places? - that's a hot word here now and libraries are thinking/offering everyone space in their libraries around here. |
| 22:09 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:10 | bag | cool thanks rangi |
| 22:10 | rangi | usually tho, the makers are resourceful enough to get their own space :) |
| 22:10 | * bag | just curous |
| 22:10 | nancyk | UNR has the makerspace as part of their library |
| 22:10 | bag | yeah that's what I'm thinking of nancyk |
| 22:11 | nancyk | It sure has been a busy month, but we seem to be on schedule |
| 22:11 | rangi | yeah, it seems to be going well |
| 22:11 | nancyk | Anyone watch the Burning Man video on the KohaCon web page? |
| 22:11 | rangi | yup :) |
| 22:12 | oh speaking of video | |
| 22:12 | bag | yup |
| 22:12 | rangi | that might be a sponsorship opportunity |
| 22:12 | bag | oh hey nancyk how are we doing with number of presentations? you think we have enough going on to fill it up? |
| 22:12 | also how are we doing on the sponsorship? | |
| 22:12 | rangi | bag: its filled up :) |
| 22:13 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Program | |
| 22:13 | nancyk | yes, Nicloe did some switching around today, and it is full |
| 22:13 | oops Nicole | |
| 22:13 | bag | nice |
| 22:13 | rangi | but yeah i was thinking sponsorship for someone to video the presentations |
| 22:13 | so they can go online after | |
| 22:13 | might be a nice thing | |
| 22:14 | nancyk | working on that, but don't want to advertize it until we get our reservations |
| 22:14 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:14 | i have my flights booked, havent booked hotel yet, will do that asap | |
| 22:14 | bag | 1:30-2:30 Roundtables (Pick one): OPAC or Cataloging ( I choose Cataloging ) |
| 22:15 | nancyk | good, I will be nervous until the hotel gets their rooms filled |
| 22:15 | rangi | ill skip out for a beer during that one :-) |
| 22:15 | bag | nancyk: how short are we of the hotel getting booked out? |
| 22:16 | rangi | unless its how can we catalogue so that people can actually find stuff, not satisfy some arcane standard, in which case ill stay :-) |
| 22:16 | nancyk | checking on that later today |
| 22:16 | bag | cool let me know - maybe melia and nicole would like their own rooms ;) |
| 22:16 | nancyk | i plan on giving a general report to the list |
| 22:17 | even though I live 18 miles away, I have booked 5 nights, and will be waiting for everyone when they get there | |
| 22:17 | rangi | cool |
| 22:18 | bag | AWESOME!!! |
| 22:18 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag |
| 22:18 | rangi | i read they have a complimentary shuttle |
| 22:18 | which is cool :) | |
| 22:18 | nancyk | Nicole deserves her own room because she is awesome |
| 22:18 | bag | agreed |
| 22:19 | rangi | ill just be happy if my bag arrives before i have to present this time :) |
| 22:19 | nancyk | Bus service up and down Virginia St. will be handy |
| 22:20 | bag | well I will be there before you present rangi I guarantee it |
| 22:20 | rangi | :) |
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| 22:20 | * bag | :) |
| 22:20 | nancyk | We are having a reception for NLA at our branch Thurs night, with tours of the bomb shelter. |
| 22:21 | rangi | cool |
| 22:21 | nancyk | You all canb come too, cost $25 for food music and audlt drinks |
| 22:21 | bag | bomb shelter? sounds cool |
| 22:22 | rangi | cool |
| 22:22 | John_C | and pub quiz also |
| 22:22 | nancyk | John C is NLA president this year |
| 22:22 | bag | oh that's rad - I love pub quiz's |
| 22:22 | John_C | adult drinks= locally brewed beer and wine |
| 22:22 | rangi | oh im sure i asked this before |
| 22:23 | bag | oh congrats John_C |
| 22:23 | rangi | powerpoints and wifi |
| 22:23 | bag | John_C++ |
| 22:23 | rangi | in the conference room |
| 22:23 | that all covered? | |
| 22:23 | (you can never have too many power points) | |
| 22:23 | nancyk | yes, we took care of the bandwidth for everyone and equipment |
| 22:23 | bag | or enough wifi |
| 22:23 | rangi | excellent |
| 22:24 | nancyk | #info what about hackerfest? I feel like I have almost ignored them except for space wifi and food |
| 22:24 | bag | nancyk++ |
| 22:24 | coffee | |
| 22:24 | rangi | thats all we need |
| 22:24 | bag | coffee |
| 22:24 | coffee | |
| 22:24 | rangi | oh yeah and caffeine |
| 22:25 | nancyk: we pretty much usually self organise on the wiki | |
| 22:25 | sometimes there's a few presentations | |
| 22:25 | if ppl have cool tricks to show | |
| 22:25 | but mostly its just people working on things together | |
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| 22:26 | rangi | a nice space with coffee and internet is all that we need ;) |
| 22:26 | nancyk | ok we have it, with coffee! |
| 22:26 | rangi | i will probably try to run a 'librarian to developer in 2 hours' |
| 22:26 | session at the hackfest | |
| 22:26 | rambutan | #info Greg Lawson - Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 22:26 | rangi | as a follow up from my 'what have you done for me lately' talk |
| 22:26 | nancyk | i want to see that |
| 22:26 | rangi | but only if there is interest .. play it by ear :) |
| 22:27 | bag | ok nancyk lattes? |
| 22:27 | heh - sorry had to go beyond coffee | |
| 22:27 | nancyk | Starbucks nearby |
| 22:27 | bag | (I'm kidding - we can get our own lattes) |
| 22:27 | larryb | donuts |
| 22:28 | and powerbars to counteract the donuts | |
| 22:28 | nancyk | Jelly Donut store nearby |
| 22:28 | rangi | ill bring some beans |
| 22:28 | if someone has a grinder and a french press :) | |
| 22:28 | bag | beans = farts |
| 22:28 | oh those types of beans | |
| 22:28 | HA | |
| 22:28 | bag-- | |
| 22:28 | huginn | bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 22:28 | rangi | http://peoplescoffee.co.nz/ <-- that |
| 22:29 | bag | looks good |
| 22:29 | rangi | ill drink it outside starbucks :) |
| 22:29 | nancyk: i cant think of anything else, i think you have it all under control | |
| 22:30 | bag | nancyk++ #agreed |
| 22:30 | nancyk | Yes, it seems so |
| 22:31 | I'll have another short meeting next month to update everyone | |
| 22:31 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:31 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 5 June 2013 at 18:00 UTC | |
| 22:31 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu May 23 22:31:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:31 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-23-22.00.html | |
| 22:31 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-05-23-22.00.txt | |
| 22:31 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-22.00.log.html | |
| 22:32 | eythian | hi |
| 22:32 | wahanui | hello, eythian |
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| 22:56 | bag | anyone up for a signoff? |
| 22:56 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 | |
| 22:56 | huginn | 04Bug 10320: enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, ASSIGNED , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search |
| 22:56 | rangi | ill give it a try but probably not until after work |
| 22:57 | bag | sweet awesome - well it's more for pianohacker than me :) |
| 22:57 | so pianohacker would be happy to sign off on something for you :) | |
| 22:58 | hint hint pianohacker ^^^^^ | |
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| 23:15 | pianohacker | Yo! |
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| 23:22 | eythian | hi papa |
| 23:26 | rangi | bugizlla going doing for a sec, upgrading |
| 23:27 | http://www.bugzilla.org/releas[…]tes.html#v44_feat | |
| 23:29 | actually no im not doing it now, ill do it tonight when i have more time | |
| 23:30 | rambutan | http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.n[…]opian-yirgacheffe = $40.54 USD if I and Wolftram Alfa are correct. |
| 23:31 | At that rate, I'll need to slip about 18 pounds of Armor Star bacon into rangi's backpack on the way home as a reciprocal guesture | |
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| 23:47 | rangi | $12.50 nzd rambutan ? |
| 23:47 | or you thinking a full kilo? | |
| 23:48 | http://shop.peoplescoffee.co.n[…]ala-huehuetenango <-- my current fave | |
| 23:48 | cjh | mmmmhhhhmm people's coffee |
| 23:50 | rambutan | no, I standardized to one pound |
| 23:51 | rangi | 453 grams |
| 23:51 | brb | |
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| 23:55 | dcook | gmcharlt++ |
| 23:55 | cjh | heh morning |
| 23:55 | dcook | hehe morning |
| 23:55 | Fixing typos is small gain, but I'm sooo glad for IndependentBranches to be fixed | |
| 23:56 | cjh | wthdrawn :D |
| 23:56 | dcook | Yep |
| 23:56 | When I first encountered Koha (version 3.2), I was struck by how unpolished it seemed | |
| 23:56 | But it's really come along in leaps and bounds, and I think this is a big (while being small) part of that | |
| 23:56 | But yes... | |
| 23:56 | morning ^_^ | |
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