| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 00:00 |
tcohen |
exactly |
| 00:01 |
pastebot |
"tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "test script" (30 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/472 |
| 00:02 |
tcohen |
maybe that patch isn't old enough |
| 00:02 |
bgkriegel |
I see |
| 00:02 |
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| 00:03 |
dcook |
Sometimes git bisect messes up as well |
| 00:03 |
|
I've come up with the wrong patch using it before |
| 00:03 |
tcohen |
I think my mistake is i'm not deleting the es-ES trnaslation on each iteration |
| 00:04 |
eythian |
yeah, you've got to be careful to make sure it's as clean as possible |
| 00:04 |
mtompset |
wizzyrea, you still here? |
| 00:04 |
bgkriegel |
git clean -f -d? |
| 00:04 |
tcohen |
dammmmmmmn, i'm grep-ing 'en' instead :-D |
| 00:05 |
bgkriegel |
oops |
| 00:05 |
mtompset |
Don't grep for such a small thing like 'en', that's going to scroll like mad! |
| 00:05 |
eythian |
bgkriegel: not so much that, but anything that might not change properly with git needs to be kept in mind. Like translations. |
| 00:06 |
bgkriegel |
yeah, right |
| 00:08 |
mtompset |
I think the wording on the Ubuntu line is really the only remaining problem with http://koha-community.org/download-koha/. Right, tcohen? |
| 00:11 |
wizzyrea |
there are no ubuntu packages - you use the debian ones on ubuntu. |
| 00:11 |
|
unless that has changed? |
| 00:11 |
tcohen |
mtompset: right |
| 00:11 |
eythian |
that hasn't changed |
| 00:11 |
mtompset |
Yes, they are the debian ones, but to a non-technical person, the reference to Debian on the Ubuntu line might be confusing. |
| 00:12 |
tcohen |
does the end user need to know that wizzyrea? |
| 00:12 |
wizzyrea |
yes, I think so. |
| 00:12 |
tcohen |
that packages where not built specifically for Ubuntu? |
| 00:12 |
dcook |
You could always call them "Deb" packages |
| 00:13 |
tcohen |
i will always try to make it less obscure for the non-tech user, I like Debian anyway, but that's my motivation |
| 00:13 |
mtompset |
The links, however, are a vast improvement. Thank you, wizzyrea. :) |
| 00:13 |
eythian |
then don't mention it at all just "how to install on Ubuntu" |
| 00:13 |
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+, |
| 00:13 |
dcook |
"Ubuntu users can find instructions on our wiki for how to use the Debian packages on Ubuntu." |
| 00:14 |
|
That sounds reasonable as it is |
| 00:14 |
mtompset |
wizzyrea++ # for updating the links. :) |
| 00:15 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen, git clean -f -d; git reset --hard HEAD~35; (cd misc/translator/; perl translate install es-ES) and all is good, on HEAD~34 is a Warning: Can't determine original templates' charset, defaulting to UTF-8 and ñ dies |
| 00:15 |
wizzyrea |
mtompset: no worries :) |
| 00:16 |
tcohen |
so, u found it |
| 00:16 |
bgkriegel |
trial and error |
| 00:16 |
* mtompset |
high fives bgkriegel. |
| 00:17 |
bgkriegel |
:) |
| 00:17 |
* dcook |
really should try out installing Koha on Debian/Ubuntu |
| 00:19 |
dcook |
It would be interesting to look into making RPMs as well |
| 00:20 |
|
While I've only seen a few mentions of RedHat, I seem to remember rangi mentioning that OpenSuse was pretty popular in India |
| 00:20 |
* dcook |
goes back to authority wrangling |
| 00:22 |
mtompset |
I was tinkering with that a couple weeks back, but then I pulled the plug on it, as I'd really like a non-CPAN solution for CentOS 6.x. Other projects needed more focus. |
| 00:23 |
dcook |
I know the feeling ;) |
| 00:24 |
tcohen |
night #koha, gotta cook |
| 00:24 |
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:-D |
| 00:25 |
dcook |
authorities? |
| 00:25 |
wahanui |
authorities are records that describe particular entities. |
| 00:25 |
dcook |
authorities? |
| 00:25 |
wahanui |
authorities are records that describe particular entities. |
| 00:26 |
dcook |
wahanui: authorities is also http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html |
| 00:26 |
wahanui |
OK, dcook. |
| 00:26 |
dcook |
authorities? |
| 00:26 |
wahanui |
hmmm... authorities is http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html |
| 00:58 |
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| 01:20 |
eythian |
wahanui: computers are http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2406 |
| 01:20 |
wahanui |
...but computers is necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture.... |
| 01:20 |
|
...but computers are necessary for making libraries part of the rest of the computerised culture.... |
| 01:20 |
eythian |
wahanui: computers are also http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2406 |
| 01:20 |
wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
| 01:20 |
|
OK, eythian. |
| 01:33 |
dcook |
So...I just ran touch_all_biblios, and for some reason my changes to the 003 of one record have been reversed, and the script said it "Touched item"... |
| 01:33 |
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Even though I don't see anywhere in the script where it would print "Touched item" O_o |
| 01:36 |
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Ahh...my change never actually happened |
| 01:36 |
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That makes sense |
| 01:37 |
|
I guess.. |
| 01:37 |
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Still not sure about the "Touched item" printing out though |
| 01:44 |
wizzyrea |
oleonard++ |
| 01:47 |
dcook |
Helps if you run touch_all_biblios and not touch_all_items... |
| 01:47 |
* dcook |
facepalm |
| 01:47 |
dcook |
Is it Friday yet? |
| 01:47 |
eythian |
not long now |
| 01:48 |
dcook |
Beer...need...beer |
| 01:48 |
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Yay! Everything working as it should! |
| 01:51 |
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Oooh |
| 01:52 |
wizzyrea |
squirrels? |
| 01:52 |
wahanui |
I think you mean "sqrats" |
| 01:52 |
dcook |
O_o |
| 01:52 |
* wizzyrea |
giggles |
| 02:07 |
dcook |
Whoa...touch_all_biblios really does it all |
| 02:09 |
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@karma Bywater_Solutions |
| 02:09 |
huginn |
dcook: Karma for "Bywater_Solutions" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 02:09 |
dcook |
@karma BywaterSolutions |
| 02:09 |
huginn |
dcook: BywaterSolutions has neutral karma. |
| 02:09 |
dcook |
@karma Bywater Solutions |
| 02:09 |
huginn |
dcook: Bywater Solutions has neutral karma. |
| 02:09 |
dcook |
@karma ByWater Solutions |
| 02:09 |
huginn |
dcook: ByWater Solutions has neutral karma. |
| 02:09 |
dcook |
@karma ByWaterSolutions |
| 02:10 |
huginn |
dcook: ByWaterSolutions has neutral karma. |
| 02:10 |
dcook |
@karma ByWater_Solutions |
| 02:10 |
huginn |
dcook: Karma for "ByWater_Solutions" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 02:10 |
dcook |
ByWater_Solutions++ |
| 02:29 |
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| 02:31 |
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| 02:33 |
BobB |
@later tell Kathryn Please buzz BobB |
| 02:33 |
huginn |
BobB: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:36 |
bag |
evening all :) |
| 02:37 |
dac |
hey ya bag |
| 02:37 |
bag |
hey dac |
| 02:38 |
|
@karma bywater |
| 02:38 |
huginn |
bag: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35. |
| 02:38 |
bag |
there you go dcook |
| 02:38 |
dcook |
Ahh |
| 02:38 |
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Now I know for next time ;) |
| 02:39 |
bag |
it should be better than mine |
| 02:39 |
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@karma bag |
| 02:39 |
huginn |
bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. |
| 02:39 |
bag |
:D |
| 02:39 |
|
that i like |
| 02:39 |
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@karma brendan |
| 02:39 |
huginn |
bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. |
| 02:39 |
bag |
again :D |
| 02:41 |
kathryn |
hi BobB :) |
| 02:41 |
bag |
heya kathryn |
| 02:41 |
wahanui |
kathryn is on the left of https://lh4.googleusercontent.[…]s720/ROSS9901.JPG |
| 02:42 |
eythian |
wahanui++ |
| 02:42 |
kathryn |
hi bag :) eythian can you please tell wahanui something else!?! |
| 02:42 |
eythian |
kathryn: well, you'll have to supply another embarrassing picture |
| 02:43 |
kathryn |
hmmph |
| 02:43 |
dcook |
@karma dcook |
| 02:43 |
huginn |
dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. |
| 02:43 |
dcook |
whoa |
| 02:43 |
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When did that happen |
| 02:43 |
* dcook |
was expecting 2 |
| 02:44 |
BobB |
dcook is close to buddha hood! |
| 02:44 |
dcook |
:p |
| 02:44 |
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@karma rangi |
| 02:44 |
huginn |
dcook: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 782 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of 776. |
| 02:44 |
dcook |
I think that's our buddha ;) |
| 02:44 |
BobB |
:) |
| 02:46 |
bag |
too bad we can't see who negative karma'd rangi |
| 02:47 |
eythian |
you can't? I can. |
| 02:48 |
|
e.g. |
| 02:48 |
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jan 13 06:07:07 <rangi>rangi-- |
| 02:48 |
bag |
can't self demote can you? |
| 02:48 |
eythian |
no :) |
| 02:48 |
bag |
so I guess you can't either :P |
| 02:48 |
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heh |
| 02:50 |
gmcharlt |
@quote random |
| 02:50 |
huginn |
gmcharlt: Quote #196: "oleonard: maybe if I didn't have all this Bugzilla stuff stored in my head I would be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." (added by wizzyrea at 04:41 PM, April 02, 2012) |
| 02:54 |
dcook |
gmcharlt: Any change of a sort_control_fields (like this one: http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]mber/007787.html) method ending up in MARC::Record? |
| 02:54 |
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change = chance* |
| 02:54 |
wahanui |
dcook: that doesn't look right |
| 02:54 |
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| 02:55 |
dcook |
Actually, that's not control fields...it's all 0xx... |
| 02:56 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: indeed |
| 02:56 |
dcook |
Indeed to the question or the statement? |
| 02:56 |
gmcharlt |
the statement :) |
| 02:57 |
dcook |
Thought that might be the case |
| 02:57 |
gmcharlt |
as far as the question -- seems appropriate for a MARC::Record::Utils, perhaps |
| 02:59 |
dcook |
Hmm, cool beans |
| 02:59 |
|
I suppose sorting really should matter that much |
| 02:59 |
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Except perhaps in terms of datafields as the cataloguer on that site mentions |
| 02:59 |
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shouldn't* |
| 03:01 |
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Of course, the whole MARC dying thing would really help with the not bothering...:p |
| 03:02 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: eh, it ain't dead yet, alas |
| 03:02 |
mtj |
hey peeps, how does koha deal with upgrading language files, with a pkg upgrade? |
| 03:03 |
|
...anyone know, off their heads? |
| 03:03 |
dcook |
gmcharlt: True enough. Is it a goal for 3.14 to start trying to use other XML metadata formats? |
| 03:03 |
bag |
kill MARC!!!! |
| 03:03 |
dcook |
Seems like a huge project :/ |
| 03:03 |
bag |
heh |
| 03:04 |
eythian |
mtj: which language files? |
| 03:04 |
mtj |
is a 'translate create/update/install' needed after an upgrade? nor not? |
| 03:04 |
eythian |
yes |
| 03:04 |
|
the packages don't know about htem |
| 03:04 |
mtj |
korean |
| 03:04 |
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ok, thanks eythian |
| 03:05 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: to add support for additional ones, yes |
| 03:05 |
dcook |
:D |
| 03:10 |
gmcharlt |
but at beast 3.14 merely lays the execution block, it won't be the executioner :) |
| 03:10 |
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*best |
| 03:10 |
dcook |
:) |
| 03:11 |
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Thankfully |
| 03:11 |
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I imagine that MARC will be around for a long time... |
| 03:11 |
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In some way shape or form |
| 03:11 |
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way, shape, or form* |
| 03:11 |
* dcook |
thinks it's time to eat and recharge the (grammar) brain |
| 03:12 |
dcook |
On a side note, Zebra can index other library XML metadata formats? http://gilbane.com/2006/09/ind[…]leases-zebra-2-0/ |
| 03:15 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: it can index XML of any schema, in fact |
| 03:15 |
dcook |
Right |
| 03:16 |
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Actually, while I have you on the line... |
| 03:16 |
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Why do we still use the marc blob? |
| 03:16 |
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Or rather store the raw marc in a blob |
| 03:17 |
eythian |
it's fast to process |
| 03:17 |
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(there may be other reasons) |
| 03:17 |
bag |
export? |
| 03:17 |
wahanui |
i think export is export. |
| 03:17 |
dcook |
eythian: true that |
| 03:17 |
bag |
heh thanks wahanui |
| 03:17 |
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good to have limits :P |
| 03:17 |
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heh |
| 03:19 |
jcamins |
No, mostly just speed. |
| 03:20 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: eh, history? |
| 03:20 |
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I don't think we really gain anything by storing both MARC and MARCXML in biblioitems |
| 03:21 |
dcook |
With the exception of speed, that's what I've been thinking as well |
| 03:21 |
jcamins |
I don't think it gives enough speed benefit to make a difference anyway. |
| 03:22 |
bag |
but we do write to two/three spots at the same time - so there has to be a speed win |
| 03:22 |
dcook |
I'm trying to remember what Edmund (the boss man) was saying about the speed benefit |
| 03:23 |
eythian |
it's substantially faster when doing large batch operations |
| 03:23 |
bag |
maybe not majorly noticeable - but in batch that should be noticeable |
| 03:23 |
dcook |
For a library of 800,000+ records, I seem to remember him saying that it was quite a noticeable speed gain |
| 03:23 |
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I want to say he said 30% |
| 03:23 |
eythian |
much less significant on regular browsing I'd expect |
| 03:23 |
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and really, a better solution would be to serialise the MARC::Record objects into memcache |
| 03:25 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: well, the recent release of MARC::File::XML significantly speeds up its XML parsing |
| 03:27 |
eythian |
ah, good to know |
| 03:28 |
dcook |
Yay! |
| 03:28 |
|
Although that won't have an impact on indexing |
| 03:29 |
eythian |
indexing is done as XML by default with the packages |
| 03:30 |
gmcharlt |
dcook: well, indexing (particularly updates) is going to be slow anyway with either Zebra or Solr, relative to search speed |
| 03:31 |
dcook |
Yeah, I think we tend to do most of our indexing as XML as well, eythian. Just one or two instances where a particularly large library benefits from the raw marc |
| 03:32 |
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gmcharlt: Yeah, I've heard that they have pretty comparable indexing speeds |
| 04:39 |
eythian |
http://i.imgur.com/YzDKkvW.jpg <-- east-vs.-west Berlin by different types of street-lighting |
| 04:57 |
dcook |
Neato! |
| 05:05 |
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| 05:08 |
eythian |
hi cait |
| 05:08 |
cait |
hi eythian :) |
| 05:13 |
dcook |
hey cait :) |
| 05:15 |
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Hmm, so there's no way to automate the merging of authorities is there? |
| 05:16 |
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merge_authority.pl works nice when using -f -t flags, but the batch mode is...confusing |
| 05:16 |
eythian |
I don't think I've ever had cause to use it |
| 05:21 |
dcook |
I have the feeling it doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do :p |
| 05:21 |
cait |
talking about the automerge thing? |
| 05:22 |
dcook |
Possibly? |
| 05:22 |
cait |
i thought there was a cronjob and the immediate thing |
| 05:22 |
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using the switch in the pref |
| 05:23 |
dcook |
Yeah, that's what the syspref says |
| 05:23 |
cait |
but... we don't use it |
| 05:23 |
dcook |
Which setting do you have? |
| 05:23 |
cait |
the standard one |
| 05:23 |
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I haven't touched it |
| 05:23 |
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we are in a different situation |
| 05:23 |
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if something changes, we get the new data from the union catalog and import that |
| 05:24 |
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libraries are not working with authorities locally, ony on union catalog level |
| 05:24 |
dcook |
I want to say it's normally set to "Don't automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authority.pl cronjob." |
| 05:24 |
cait |
ah yes |
| 05:24 |
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I think because it could take long if you have lots of records attached to an authority |
| 05:25 |
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i think the bug this was introduced with had a good description |
| 05:25 |
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maybe look for that? |
| 05:25 |
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brb |
| 05:25 |
dcook |
So if it's set to "Don't"...it puts the authid in the "need_merge_authorities" table for the cronjob to pick up separately |
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| 05:26 |
dcook |
Mmmm, I understand now |
| 05:27 |
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merge_authority.pl -b just "merges" the info from the authority record into the bib record (hence why it's reflexive in the script...) |
| 05:27 |
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Whereas merge_authority.pl -f -t actually merges two separate authorities |
| 05:28 |
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So no automated merging of different authorities |
| 05:28 |
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Ideally, you shouldn't have to merge authorities, but if you're importing from a different system with poor authority control...it would be good to have in migration_tools |
| 05:29 |
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Unless bulkauthimport.pl takes that into account.. |
| 05:29 |
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Wait, that's deprecated |
| 05:30 |
bag |
oh hey there cait |
| 05:31 |
dcook |
Hmm, nope. No de-duplication that I can see.. |
| 05:34 |
* druthb |
finished updating pootle, and wanders off to bed. 0600 comes toooooo early. |
| 05:38 |
bag |
later druthb_away |
| 05:38 |
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<dcook> Did anything ever come of make_spelling_suggest.pl? |
| 05:38 |
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no nothing |
| 05:39 |
dcook |
I thought that might be the case |
| 05:39 |
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*shrug* |
| 05:41 |
bag |
I think that code originally was from 2.2 |
| 05:42 |
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I never saw the reason to bring it back once we had zebra and fuzzy logic (sadly) |
| 05:43 |
* magnuse |
waves |
| 05:43 |
bag |
heya magnuse |
| 05:43 |
wahanui |
somebody said magnuse was a Norwegian giant. |
| 05:43 |
magnuse |
kia ora bag! |
| 05:43 |
bag |
sweet giant |
| 05:44 |
magnuse |
pf |
| 05:44 |
bag |
getting any warmer there magnuse |
| 05:45 |
eythian |
should be, it's getting colder here. We held on to summer as long as we could. |
| 05:45 |
magnuse |
@wunder boo |
| 05:45 |
huginn |
magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:45 |
eythian |
@wunder nzwn |
| 05:45 |
huginn |
eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:45 |
bag |
@wunder sba |
| 05:45 |
huginn |
bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 14.0°C (9:53 PM PDT on April 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:45 |
* magnuse |
is happy as long as it's >0 and the snow is melting |
| 05:45 |
bag |
:D |
| 05:46 |
cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
| 05:46 |
huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.5°C (7:45 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:46 |
magnuse |
eythian: sounds like wizzyrea & co got quite a start to their nz life :-) |
| 05:46 |
cait |
still early here :) |
| 05:46 |
eythian |
yeah, they had the best run of good weather we've had since nearly 100 years or so. |
| 05:47 |
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(unless you're a farmer, we also had drought over most of the country) |
| 05:47 |
bag |
:) so funny - in my house it's trea & co (other way around) :P |
| 05:47 |
magnuse |
sad thing is it will probably never get that good again... |
| 05:47 |
eythian |
that's OK, you just go to Australia in summer for a week or two if you need to :) |
| 05:47 |
magnuse |
bag: hehe |
| 05:48 |
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eythian: ah, good plan! or somewhere like fiji, perhaps? ooh... |
| 05:48 |
eythian |
yeah, that's an option too |
| 05:50 |
* magnuse |
remembers seeing commercials on buses etc for that |
| 05:50 |
magnuse |
oh well, breakfast time! |
| 05:55 |
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| 05:57 |
shiva |
hi |
| 05:57 |
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this is shiva |
| 05:57 |
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working as a |
| 05:57 |
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librarian |
| 05:57 |
wahanui |
hmmm... librarian is trying to create a label batch |
| 05:58 |
cait |
wahanui forget librarian |
| 05:58 |
wahanui |
cait: I forgot librarian |
| 05:59 |
shiva |
ok |
| 05:59 |
eythian |
shiva: Bangalore, huh? |
| 05:59 |
shiva |
yes |
| 05:59 |
eythian |
cool. |
| 06:00 |
shiva |
you from? |
| 06:00 |
eythian |
Wellington, New Zealand |
| 06:00 |
shiva |
nice |
| 06:01 |
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I working on koha |
| 06:01 |
bag |
awesome |
| 06:01 |
eythian |
excellent :) |
| 06:01 |
shiva |
newly installed |
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3.8 version |
| 06:01 |
bag |
eythian: ever have a mint julep ? |
| 06:01 |
shiva |
i have clarification |
| 06:01 |
eythian |
bag: I don't think so, no |
| 06:02 |
shiva |
regarding search index |
| 06:02 |
bag |
ahhh they are big for the Kentucky Derby - I made some a few weeks ago they are "priming" in the fridge until Derby time |
| 06:02 |
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@google mint julep |
| 06:02 |
huginn |
bag: Mint julep - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mint_julep>; Mint Julep: <http://shopmintjulep.com/>; Mint Julep recipe - DrinksMixer.com: <http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink5382.html>; The Perfect Mint Julep Recipe : : Recipes : Food Network: <http://www.foodnetwork.com/rec[…]int-julep-recipe/>; Bourbon Mint Julep Cocktail Recipe - Cocktails - (2 more messages) |
| 06:03 |
eythian |
shiva: ask away, someone may be able to help. |
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bag: nice. I've never been to Kentucky either :) |
| 06:05 |
bag |
they say about kentucky - getting lucky in kentucky |
| 06:05 |
shiva |
i cataloged few items, which are not search-able in webopac or librarian interface |
| 06:05 |
bag |
I've been to kentucky twice |
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searching? |
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wahanui |
searching is not working |
| 06:06 |
bag |
indexing? |
| 06:06 |
wahanui |
indexing is done by Zebra. |
| 06:06 |
eythian |
wahanui: search faq |
| 06:06 |
wahanui |
search faq is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 06:06 |
bag |
thanks eythian |
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shiva ^^ |
| 06:06 |
shiva |
thans |
| 06:06 |
eythian |
shiva: there should be a process that updates the index every 5 or so minutes. If it's not set up correctly, this will happen. There are other things that may break it too. |
| 06:06 |
shiva |
i will let u know |
| 06:06 |
eythian |
that page will cover the common causes. |
| 06:11 |
* dcook |
praises MySQL, Perl, and bash then goes and makes a sandwich |
| 06:12 |
shiva |
how to find the PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha |
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in Ubuntu |
| 06:13 |
bag |
how did you install? |
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packages? |
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wahanui |
rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:13 |
bag |
or git? |
| 06:13 |
wahanui |
git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 06:14 |
shiva |
i am new to this koha |
| 06:15 |
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one of my friend installed by live DVD |
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i found path for koha.conf.xml .....file:///opt/kohaclone/etc/koha-conf.xml |
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bag |
hmmm... |
| 06:25 |
mtj |
you know what koha could use….? |
| 06:25 |
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a way for a super-user to stop/start zebra (or solr) from the koha gui |
| 06:25 |
bag |
agreed mtj |
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heya mtj |
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shiva |
ok |
| 06:26 |
mtj |
well, and configure the index rebuilding stuff, too |
| 06:26 |
bag |
and configure zebra indexes :) |
| 06:26 |
mtj |
oooh, bonus points there |
| 06:27 |
bag |
they are just regular files there so it could be possible |
| 06:28 |
mtj |
its the one thing that noobs always have problems with |
| 06:28 |
shiva |
ok |
| 06:29 |
mtj |
i guess a good start, would be some diag/debug info from the koha gui, about zebra indexing |
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whats the frequency, when then last index happened, when the next one will happen... |
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how many outstanding bibs are waiting to be indexed, etc... |
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ohh…. hey bagz, shiva |
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bag |
mtj we could add that info to the about page? |
| 06:32 |
mtj |
sure |
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shiva |
how |
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reiveune |
hello |
| 06:33 |
mtj |
see, with a package install, getting that info is well do-able.... |
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without a package install - pulling that info from cron, is tricky |
| 06:34 |
shiva |
i get into the koha about page |
| 06:35 |
mtj |
perhaps we could query fredericdem's zebradaemon too, for that info |
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just thinking outloud here... |
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sorry, shiva - we are talking about a feature that does not exist in koha |
| 06:37 |
shiva |
ok |
| 06:39 |
mtj |
shiva, the person that builds the offical Koha live-CD is not on IRC much... |
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i dont know how the zebra indexing is set up on the live-cd , so i cant really help you |
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shiva, if you want help with Koha on #irc, you should consider installing Koha using the debian packages |
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… thats what most developers are using |
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packages? |
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wahanui |
well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:42 |
shiva |
KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v |
| 06:42 |
mtj |
shiva, read that ^^ |
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drojf |
i thought the »official« livedvd uses packages |
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shiva: where did you get the koha dvd? |
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and good morning #koha |
| 06:43 |
shiva |
OSSlab |
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person |
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mtj |
drojf, i would be very happy, if you were right :) |
| 06:44 |
shiva |
how to install zebra |
| 06:45 |
mtj |
from what shiva has pasted…. it does not look like a pkg install (to me) |
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magnuse |
/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml is not packages, no |
| 06:45 |
christophe_c |
hello koha |
| 06:46 |
magnuse |
bonjour christophe_c |
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christophe_c |
salut magnuse ;-) |
| 06:46 |
shiva |
that is command given by friend |
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to start zebra |
| 06:47 |
drojf |
it is another livedvd. and it apparently uses git, since the path is /opt/kohaclone. sorry, i don't know the dvd, maybe osslabs can help you better with that |
| 06:47 |
magnuse |
shiva: that command you gave above will do a full reindexing of your records |
| 06:48 |
shiva |
ok |
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how do i know whether zebra has installed or not |
| 06:48 |
magnuse |
and search does not work after you have executed that command? |
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try "ps aux | grep zebra" |
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shiva |
1000 27124 0.0 0.0 4368 836 pts/0 R+ 12:19 0:00 grep --color=auto zebra |
| 06:50 |
mtj |
drojf, looks like the first 'offical' koha dvd, has not been released yet |
| 06:50 |
shiva |
this is I got |
| 06:50 |
mtj |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ive_DVD_Blueprint |
| 06:50 |
magnuse |
shiva: that was the only output of "ps aux | grep zebra"? |
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drojf |
mtj: i thought there was one before that. maybe it was not "official" ^^ |
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livedcds-- |
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oops |
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livedvds-- |
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shiva |
ok |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
| 06:54 |
magnuse |
shiva: if that was the only output, then zebra is not running |
| 06:54 |
drojf |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi drojf magnuse |
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* cait |
waves |
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shiva |
what should i do |
| 06:54 |
marcelr |
and cait :) |
| 06:54 |
magnuse |
shiva: try "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" |
| 06:54 |
mtj |
drojf, yeah…. many many Koha livecd/livedvds, none official, (and none using Koha packages?) |
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first offical koha livedvd to be released on 22 may, running 3.12 -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/035654.html |
| 06:57 |
shiva |
ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/koha: No such file or directory |
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for this command "ls /etc/init.d/koha" |
| 06:58 |
drojf |
i know it is not very friendly, but if people hand out their selfbuilt dvds i'd like them to do the support too |
| 06:58 |
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in the end it is "koha sucks" if it does not work |
| 06:58 |
shiva |
yes selfbuilt dvds |
| 06:58 |
magnuse |
shiva: you missed a * at the end: "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" |
| 06:58 |
shiva |
ok |
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uaslibrary uaslibrary:~$ ls /etc/init.d/koha* /etc/init.d/koha-sip-daemon /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
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i got like this......./etc/init.d/koha-sip-daemon /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
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for the command "ls /etc/init.d/koha*" |
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Joubu |
salut |
| 07:02 |
wahanui |
hey, Joubu |
| 07:03 |
magnuse |
shiva: cool. could you do a "ls -l /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon" too? |
| 07:04 |
mtj |
shiva, you need to tell us where you downloaded your livedvd from |
| 07:05 |
shiva |
its selfbuilt livedvd |
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| 07:06 |
shiva |
i got result something like this........... |
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lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Mar 4 10:27 /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon -> /etc/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh |
| 07:08 |
drojf |
i assume it is http://www.osslabs.biz/koha/livecd |
| 07:08 |
magnuse |
hm, root eh? |
| 07:09 |
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i'm thinking "sudo /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start" is worth a try then - anyone got a better idea? |
| 07:10 |
mtj |
yes, i have... |
| 07:10 |
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dont use that livecd, install koha using the debian packages |
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or - use that livecd… but ask osslabs to help you, if you have problems with it |
| 07:11 |
shiva |
no ubuntu |
| 07:11 |
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12.4 version |
| 07:12 |
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i got result something like this........... |
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Starting Zebra Server Invalid --user argument: 'koha.koha' (unknown user koha) usage: daemon [options] [--] [cmd arg...] options: -h, --help - Print a help message then exit -V, --version - Print a version message then exit -v, --verbose[=level] - Set the verbosity level -d, --debug[=level] - Set the debug |
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............................... |
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-C, --config=path - Specify the configuration file -N, --noconfig - Bypass the system configuration file -n, --name=name - Guarantee a single named instance -X, --command=cmd - Specify the client command as an option -P, --pidfiles=/dir - Override standard pidfile location -F, --pidfile=/path |
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-u, --user=user[:group] - Run the client as user[:group] -R, --chroot=path - Run the client with path as root -D, --chdir=path - Run the client in directory path -m, --umask=umask - Run the client with the given umask -e, --env="var=val" - Set a client environment variable -i, --inherit - Inherit |
| 07:14 |
magnuse |
yeah, that does not look good |
| 07:14 |
drojf |
that unknown user thing does not look too great ^^ |
| 07:14 |
magnuse |
nope |
| 07:14 |
drojf |
my guess is the dvd is not properly configured |
| 07:14 |
magnuse |
sounds like it |
| 07:17 |
shiva |
what could be the problem |
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panitaliemom |
http://cur.lv/mzp2 http://cur.lv/mtei http://cur.lv/mte4 http://cur.lv/mghh http://cur.lv/mgfe http://cur.lv/mget http://cur.lv/mgeh http://cur.lv/mgcq http://cur.lv/mgc7 http://cur.lv/mgb7 http://cur.lv/mgaz http://cur.lv/mgar http://cur.lv/mg1a http://cur.lv/mg17 http://cur.lv/mg12 http://cur.lv/mg0z http://cur.lv/mg0w http://cur.lv/mg0n h |
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| 07:22 |
drojf |
shiva: all we could do is guess. you are using a custom livedvd not available to the public. you have to explain your problems to the person that made the dvd and ask for help there. we can't assist with an installation we know nothing about. at least i can't. |
| 07:24 |
mtj |
shiva, if you really must use a live dvd/cd, look here -> http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD |
| 07:24 |
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and here -> http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd-lite/ |
| 07:24 |
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that is probably the best livedvd available, currently , for koha |
| 07:25 |
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koha 3.10.00, installed via packages |
| 07:25 |
shiva |
thanks |
| 07:26 |
magnuse |
rangi: could you perhaps remove what <panitaliemom> just "said" from the logs? |
| 07:26 |
mtj |
shiva, if you download/install that - we can help you... |
| 07:26 |
drojf |
»Live CDs and DVDs should not be used to run a library. These are not officially supported by Koha, and any difficulties should be taken up with the creator of them. « |
| 07:26 |
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^^ |
| 07:29 |
shiva |
ok |
| 07:30 |
mtj |
vimal++ those 2 livedvds look pretty good |
| 07:30 |
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'Koha installation based on Ubuntu packages, it means easy to upgrade Koha using two commands.' |
| 07:31 |
shiva |
yes |
| 07:39 |
dcook |
Oh well |
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Disaster averted! |
| 07:40 |
magnuse |
yay |
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magnuse |
slides? |
| 07:47 |
wahanui |
kf should be writing slides |
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vfernandes |
hello :) |
| 08:57 |
magnuse |
hiya vfernandes |
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@later tell rangi: could you perhaps remove what <panitaliemom> "said" from the logs? |
| 08:57 |
huginn |
magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:57 |
rangi |
already have |
| 08:57 |
magnuse |
ah, thanks |
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* magnuse |
could have checked |
| 09:00 |
rangi |
:) |
| 09:01 |
magnuse |
i must confess it is tempting to click on one of those links to see what it is, but i will... not... do... it... |
| 09:17 |
rangi |
heh |
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alohabot |
Hi mib_hfuuxh, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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cait |
@wunder Konstanz |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.7°C (11:45 AM CEST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
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cait |
crazy warm |
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wizzyrea |
hiyas |
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@wunder nzwn |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on April 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
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wizzyrea |
that's actually decent |
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i approve of this fall weather. |
| 09:58 |
cait |
:) |
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@quote random |
| 09:59 |
huginn |
cait: Quote #235: "libsysguy: I feel like working on koha is like cooking at the fire station. First one to complain is the next one to cook." (added by wizzyrea at 07:55 PM, March 07, 2013) |
| 10:00 |
vfernandes |
how to correct install zh-Hans-CN language in Koha 3.10? |
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it gives so many errors in OPAC |
| 10:02 |
cait |
vfernandes: best would be to fix the errors in pootle, then download the po files from there |
| 10:02 |
vfernandes |
cait i don't know chinese :D but it's a demand from the client |
| 10:03 |
cait |
i guess it's syntax errors |
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when you can't figure out the missing %s or the like, you could blank the line or mark it fuzzy |
| 10:03 |
rangi |
vfernandes: does the client know chinese? make them do it |
| 10:03 |
vfernandes |
besides of that 3.10 has 90000 words in pt-PT but in zh-Hans-CN there is only 9000 |
| 10:03 |
gerundio |
hi, has anyone ever experienced apache seg faults when a given perl module is active? |
| 10:03 |
rangi |
its a bit unrealistic to expect someone who doesnt know chinese to fix it |
| 10:04 |
vfernandes |
I already told them to do it :P |
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but isn't strange to be only 9000 words? |
| 10:04 |
cait |
vfernandes: maybe it's not counting it right - becasue you don't have spaces between words in chinese i think |
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or you might, I don't speak chinese, but I think it could be a language thing |
| 10:05 |
vfernandes |
but the words count aren't from the original (en) language? |
| 10:06 |
cait |
not sure |
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the counting in pootle is werid |
| 10:07 |
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maybe open files in poedit and check there |
| 10:07 |
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i think poedit counts entries, or check how many msg things in the po files between normal and chinese |
| 10:07 |
vfernandes |
ok thanks cait |
| 10:07 |
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let's see what the client says |
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shiva |
k |
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cait |
wonder what that tweet translates to |
| 10:58 |
magnuse |
cait: "It seems that my knowledge of the Cohesion Fund will come in handy." according to google translate |
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not sure that makes a lot of sense... |
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jcamins |
gmcharlt: when you're around, please ping me. |
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tcohen |
morning #koha |
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marcelr |
hi tcohen |
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tcohen |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
saw your patch on utf8 |
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interesting:) |
| 12:37 |
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #4 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 12:37 |
tcohen |
yes, wanted to talk about it |
| 12:37 |
marcelr |
? |
| 12:38 |
tcohen |
I'd like to document the different data flows that happen inside Koha, so its clearer where do we need to decode/encode |
| 12:38 |
huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9997' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b815ee78a5002f1ea> / Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c1d8690645c5397f2> / Merge branch 'bug_9737' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=commitdiff;h=c19 |
| 12:39 |
tcohen |
from the templates, to the browser, from the database, etc |
| 12:39 |
marcelr |
tcohen: we should get rid of the deeper decodes in modules and so.. |
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one point is using CGI with -utf8 |
| 12:39 |
tcohen |
exactly, I wrapped (as gmcharlt suggested) CGI inside Koha::CGI |
| 12:39 |
marcelr |
our approach is now hybrid |
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tcohen |
and added param_decode_utf8 method |
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that could tackle the CGI front |
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but others remain |
| 12:40 |
marcelr |
can you use -utf8 inside your module |
| 12:40 |
tcohen |
they suggest not to do it |
| 12:41 |
marcelr |
why not (binary argument)? |
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is there any binary upload in koha? |
| 12:42 |
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this discussion is also on the bug 6554 and its dependents |
| 12:42 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 12:42 |
jcamins |
I'm thinking of reverting 6554 for 3.12. |
| 12:42 |
marcelr |
why so? |
| 12:43 |
jcamins |
marcelr: I hadn't realized quite how high risk that patch was. |
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marcelr |
i think we covered it quite |
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* cait |
waves from a train... :) |
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* jcamins |
waves back |
| 12:46 |
marcelr |
jcamins: it is a difficult choice: reverting it means getting back the old problems |
| 12:47 |
jcamins |
marcelr: yeah, but string freeze is 2 weeks away, and we had the old set of problems for months. |
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If not years. |
| 12:47 |
marcelr |
true |
| 12:48 |
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a solution should go in one day |
| 12:48 |
* libsysguy |
heard jcamins was going to push everyones patches regardless of stability |
| 12:48 |
jcamins |
The code would remain in master, so that would be another six months to get it actually working. |
| 12:48 |
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libsysguy: that was the other strategy I considered. :P |
| 12:48 |
marcelr |
well, i would understand it but do not prefer to revert.. |
| 12:51 |
cait |
are we talking about the refernce bug? |
| 12:51 |
jcamins |
No. |
| 12:51 |
cait |
well... are you talking and I am just showing up from a train... :) |
| 12:51 |
jcamins |
That's not on the table. |
| 12:51 |
|
Bug 6554 |
| 12:51 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 12:51 |
cait |
ah |
| 12:51 |
|
it's causing problems? |
| 12:51 |
marcelr |
no |
| 12:52 |
jcamins |
It has had some side-effects, and I'm concerned that we might not catch them all prior to 3.12. |
| 12:52 |
marcelr |
it is more about the possibility of.. |
| 12:52 |
tcohen |
give us a couple of days jcamins |
| 12:52 |
marcelr |
jcamins: there is a lot of code more in Koha already with side-effects etc. not completely caught.. |
| 12:52 |
jcamins |
marcelr: of course. |
| 12:52 |
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But that doesn't mean I should make it worse. |
| 12:53 |
cait |
the side effects are worse tha bad display? |
| 12:53 |
marcelr |
this is better code than is in now |
| 12:53 |
cait |
I mean, does it break functionality? |
| 12:53 |
jcamins |
cait: well, we end up with translated text not showing up in random places. |
| 12:54 |
cait |
ew |
| 12:54 |
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that's quite a step back... but at least it owuld make it easy to spot the places... in theory that is |
| 12:54 |
jcamins |
Yeah, perfect for master. |
| 12:54 |
marcelr |
these places are easy to spot |
| 12:54 |
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most have been covered.. |
| 12:55 |
cait |
I thik it all started with a bug |
| 12:55 |
marcelr |
:) |
| 12:55 |
cait |
in patron search |
| 12:55 |
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where dobrica had problems to make the ames show up |
| 12:55 |
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jcamins: would you be able to give them ... a deadline before you pull out? |
| 12:55 |
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and given we see some progress it could remain |
| 12:56 |
jcamins |
Sure... |
| 12:56 |
cait |
i don't know how much time you will have for a thing like that |
| 12:56 |
jcamins |
next Friday sound good? |
| 12:56 |
cait |
I will be testing master a lot next wek |
| 12:56 |
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week |
| 12:56 |
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once I am donw with this presentation and we will be testing in german |
| 12:56 |
marcelr |
cait: currently we have no problems pending for this area |
| 12:56 |
cait |
so when I work with updated po files that shoudl be complete... I should be able to help spotting, that right? |
| 12:56 |
marcelr |
it is just the risk of forgetting one |
| 12:56 |
cait |
so everything that was found is now in master? |
| 12:57 |
marcelr |
or in the queue |
| 12:57 |
jcamins |
No, there are several follow-ups that I've been considering pushing. |
| 12:57 |
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Which is why I said something. |
| 12:57 |
marcelr |
signed or passed qa |
| 12:57 |
cait |
oly 373 out of 2100 are academic libraries... interesting (referring to lib-web-cats and koha) |
| 12:58 |
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marcelr: the referece bug is a bit monstrous now too :) |
| 12:58 |
marcelr |
monstrous? |
| 12:58 |
cait |
marcelr: I think it was by design to only display one callnumber for each |
| 12:58 |
marcelr |
sounds odd to me |
| 12:58 |
cait |
marcelr: because we for example have individual callnumbers for each item around here |
| 12:58 |
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think serials |
| 12:58 |
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with 120 items with unique callnumbers |
| 12:59 |
marcelr |
fun |
| 12:59 |
cait |
it's always been like that |
| 12:59 |
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the result list would be exploding |
| 12:59 |
jcamins |
The idea was that any call number is better than none. |
| 12:59 |
cait |
sorry that I can't test right now - I know commeting from the sideline is a bit weird |
| 12:59 |
marcelr |
we could revert everything :) |
| 12:59 |
jcamins |
marcelr: that'd be the safest. |
| 12:59 |
cait |
just really have to put the last touches on those slides and survive tomorrow :) |
| 13:00 |
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we revert back to 3.10? :P |
| 13:00 |
marcelr |
3.8 |
| 13:00 |
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safe version |
| 13:00 |
jcamins |
3.6 was more stable. :P |
| 13:00 |
cait |
that would go a bit far, don't you think? |
| 13:00 |
jcamins |
3.8 was a bit messy. |
| 13:01 |
marcelr |
cait: maybe we need more prefs for these call numbers :) |
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| 13:01 |
cait |
marcelr: i like prefs ;) |
| 13:01 |
* jcamins |
won't be reverting it, because being RM should have _some_ perqs (and I've been running clients with a similar patch for years). |
| 13:02 |
cait |
but I would really like a way to restore the behaviour that we got now (in stable 3.6) for the libraires somehow |
| 13:02 |
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because I don't want them to complain at me :) |
| 13:03 |
marcelr |
i will move my followups somewhere else from bug 9995 |
| 13:03 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9995 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , For reference items no longer listed in XSLT result lists |
| 13:03 |
jcamins |
No, that's a good place for them. |
| 13:03 |
cait |
marcelr: i love that you took the time to clean that code up - I really appreaciate that |
| 13:03 |
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only the little thing with the callnumbers is worrying me |
| 13:03 |
marcelr |
cait: well i think now that i wasted my time |
| 13:04 |
cait |
:( |
| 13:04 |
marcelr |
on 6554 and 9995 :) |
| 13:05 |
cait |
I am not sure how we can continue |
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maybe I really need to find time to take a look at all that and we could get a switch for the callnumbers? |
| 13:05 |
marcelr |
starting with patch of kyle only |
| 13:05 |
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i will let it pass qa |
| 13:05 |
cait |
hm |
| 13:05 |
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are you ok with that? |
| 13:06 |
marcelr |
np |
| 13:06 |
jcamins |
marcelr: 6554 is going to be in 3.14 regardless. |
| 13:06 |
marcelr |
3.14 is far away |
| 13:06 |
jcamins |
And I like the idea of 9995 with a syspref. |
| 13:06 |
marcelr |
:) |
| 13:06 |
cait |
marcelr: I am really sorry for being so difficult |
| 13:06 |
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I think you have valid points about that code |
| 13:07 |
marcelr |
i move my stuff somehwere else and come back later on it.. |
| 13:07 |
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in 3.22 |
| 13:07 |
jcamins |
marcelr: if it makes you feel any better, that's how I feel about Koha development as well. |
| 13:07 |
marcelr |
too bad |
| 13:07 |
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you end up with so many reports finished half.. |
| 13:08 |
jcamins |
Also, what I was saying wasn't on the table was reverting bug 5079, not bug 9995. |
| 13:08 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Pushed to Master , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
| 13:08 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9995 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , For reference items no longer listed in XSLT result lists |
| 13:08 |
jcamins |
In case that wasn't clear. |
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| 13:08 |
marcelr |
9995 just tries to fix 5079 |
| 13:08 |
cait |
marcelr: let's talk once this release is out about your enhancemens |
| 13:08 |
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I am amean tester - jared can confirm that :) |
| 13:09 |
jcamins |
That's why I'm interested in including 9995. |
| 13:09 |
cait |
I woudl like to get your things moving along |
| 13:09 |
marcelr |
mean=good |
| 13:09 |
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in testing |
| 13:09 |
cait |
I have noticed that you have a lot sitting in bugzilla right now |
| 13:10 |
marcelr |
the circulation stuff is now quite important for us |
| 13:10 |
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but that is 3.14 or later |
| 13:10 |
cait |
yes, talking abou tthat |
| 13:10 |
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:) |
| 13:10 |
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maybe we can try and get it in early 3.14 |
| 13:14 |
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.12.x build #4: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.12.x/4/ |
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* Robin Sheat: Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) de-serialize the 'hidden' value for subfields in frameworks |
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* Liz Rea: Bug 9894 - Followup: Add support for "flagged" values |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) Small followup |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 9894: Add labels for checkboxes |
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* David Cook: Bug 9737 - Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
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* Kyle M Hall: Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code |
| 13:14 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages |
| 13:14 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks |
| 13:14 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9997 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspected typo in patron self registration code |
| 13:15 |
* marcelr |
thinks of never writing qa followups anymore :) |
| 13:15 |
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1141 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:15 |
jcamins |
marcelr: I pushed most of them! |
| 13:16 |
marcelr |
it is good that we do not have a dashboard on obsoleted patches..;) |
| 13:16 |
jcamins |
marcelr: hehe. |
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| 13:18 |
cait1 |
now I fell off the internets... |
| 13:18 |
tcohen_ |
morning cait |
| 13:22 |
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| 13:24 |
* druthb |
wishes the extra caits would stick around. We could always use more cait. |
| 13:26 |
cait |
hmpf |
| 13:30 |
* magnuse |
agrees with druthb |
| 13:31 |
druthb |
thank you, magnuse. I was hoping we could get to some sort of community consensus on that. |
| 13:31 |
magnuse |
add it to the agenda for the next meeting? |
| 13:31 |
cait |
you 2 are impossible .P |
| 13:32 |
druthb |
I'm not impossible, merely improbable. |
| 13:34 |
magnuse |
hehe |
| 13:36 |
libsysguy |
holy cow http://www.theatlanticwire.com[…]waco-texas/64337/ |
| 13:38 |
cait |
oh tcohen |
| 13:38 |
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I got a question for you |
| 13:38 |
tcohen |
tell me |
| 13:38 |
cait |
you work at an academic library, right? a university? I am looking for big university libraries using koha right now and need some numbers :) |
| 13:39 |
tcohen |
we don't have a central library, but 38 independent libraries |
| 13:39 |
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this uinversity has 120K students |
| 13:40 |
cait |
i love it already :) |
| 13:40 |
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are all independent libraries using koha? |
| 13:40 |
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or only some? |
| 13:40 |
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and one central installation or each individual? |
| 13:40 |
tcohen |
individual installs, on the same server, centrally managed |
| 13:41 |
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there are two libraries that have their own IT staff and their own install |
| 13:41 |
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but pulling from our SVN deployment scripts |
| 13:41 |
cait |
ah |
| 13:42 |
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so students have an account in each of the libraries? |
| 13:42 |
tcohen |
for now, they do |
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| 13:43 |
cait |
:) how big are the libraries? |
| 13:43 |
tcohen |
we've recently set a big LDAP service as backend for an Identity Provider |
| 13:43 |
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(OpenID, SAML/Shibboleth) which we plan to use soon with Koha too |
| 13:44 |
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measured how? |
| 13:44 |
cait |
oh nice :) |
| 13:44 |
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hm, volumes maybe? |
| 13:44 |
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but yah, measuring libraries is hard |
| 13:45 |
tcohen |
the biggest has 80K bibliographic records |
| 13:45 |
cait |
I am trying to compose a slide for the people that say koah is only for small instutions/libraries |
| 13:45 |
tcohen |
not that big |
| 13:46 |
cait |
still a nice size |
| 13:46 |
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ours are between 30-80.0000 too i think |
| 13:46 |
tcohen |
i've set a demo site for a 1.5M records library (spain) which scaled well |
| 13:47 |
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but cannot disclose more info :-P |
| 13:47 |
cait |
yeah I think volumes are not the problem |
| 13:47 |
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that needs disk space |
| 13:47 |
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more interesting how much circulation, staff etc. |
| 13:47 |
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so if anyone has good ideas... :) |
| 13:48 |
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right now I am tryding to find numbes on some french university websites... but that's not so easy |
| 13:49 |
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tcohen: what is your official name? I could still say 38 libraries and 120.000 sstudents total, right? |
| 13:49 |
tcohen |
yes |
| 13:49 |
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Universidad Nacional de Córdoba |
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| 13:49 |
cait |
thank you :) |
| 13:50 |
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also an exciting project! |
| 13:50 |
tcohen |
good luck cait |
| 13:51 |
cait |
thx :) |
| 13:57 |
jcamins |
It's a wonder anyone ever manages to do anything with the serials module. |
| 13:58 |
cait |
tsk |
| 13:58 |
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it's not so bad |
| 13:58 |
jcamins |
Really? |
| 13:59 |
druthb |
Really. *way* simpler than Symphony. |
| 13:59 |
jcamins |
I just wanted to mark some missing issues as arrived. |
| 13:59 |
druthb |
and it *works better* than Symphony, as scary as that may sound to you. |
| 13:59 |
jcamins |
It turns out you do that on a page which is not linked to by the main serials page. |
| 14:00 |
tcohen |
found it jcamins, marcelr |
| 14:00 |
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C4/Templates.pm:70 |
| 14:00 |
jcamins |
If you're viewing a subscription, it would seem you can't edit previously received issues without going through an extraneous, only nominally related page. |
| 14:04 |
tcohen |
jcamins, what's the status of bug 6554 patches? are all of them pushed? |
| 14:04 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 14:04 |
jcamins |
Yes. |
| 14:04 |
tcohen |
that line is the one that messes with encodings |
| 14:04 |
jcamins |
And I just updated the branches on git.k-c.org |
| 14:06 |
cait |
jcamins: I think you want to use the serial collection link on the left from the subscription details |
| 14:06 |
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someone speaking french? |
| 14:06 |
* cait |
would really like to find out some numbes about aix marseille and rennes... |
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| 14:06 |
tcohen |
we need to document where encoding and decoding should happen |
| 14:06 |
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because now I know what line messes with encodings, I cannot be sure removing it won't have other side effects! |
| 14:07 |
jcamins |
cait: that link is on the receive page. |
| 14:08 |
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Hm. |
| 14:08 |
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8896 does not appear to work. |
| 14:08 |
cait |
bug 8896 |
| 14:08 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8896 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Passed QA , Delete serials no more missing from missinglist |
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| 14:11 |
cait |
hm |
| 14:11 |
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delete shouldn't show up |
| 14:11 |
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only missing |
| 14:11 |
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but... arg. no idea right now. |
| 14:12 |
jcamins |
The title is misleading. |
| 14:12 |
huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7368' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]30d9b51fd120ef6a4> / 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1c02fdc8fc045024c> / Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]h=c134a3c5c325a26 |
| 14:12 |
jcamins |
But I'll troubleshoot it some other time. |
| 14:17 |
tcohen |
jcamins, can i obsolete all attachments on 6554? |
| 14:17 |
jcamins |
Yes, but any further work on that issue should be done on a new bug. |
| 14:18 |
tcohen |
ok |
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jenkins_koha |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) de-serialize the 'hidden' value for subfields in frameworks |
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* Liz Rea: Bug 9894 - Followup: Add support for "flagged" values |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9894 - (3.12) Small followup |
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* Jonathan Druart: Bug 9894: Add labels for checkboxes |
| 14:22 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks |
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jenkins_koha |
* David Cook: Bug 9737 - Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
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* Kyle M Hall: Bug 9997 - Suspected typo in patron self registration code |
| 14:22 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
| 14:22 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9997 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Suspected typo in patron self registration code |
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| 14:22 |
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #5 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:22 |
tcohen |
bgkriegel: bug 10074 |
| 14:22 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Encoding problems in templates |
| 14:23 |
magnuse |
success! \o/ |
| 14:25 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen, good! You asked marcel? |
| 14:25 |
tcohen |
he's gone right now |
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i asked him if we could document the whole data flow inside koha |
| 14:26 |
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to spot the places there encoding/decoding should occur |
| 14:26 |
cait |
hpe you didn't expect anything else? |
| 14:26 |
tcohen |
and make it rock solid |
| 14:26 |
bgkriegel |
very well |
| 14:26 |
tcohen |
but had no answer |
| 14:26 |
bgkriegel |
:( |
| 14:27 |
tcohen |
we'll do it anyway |
| 14:27 |
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no worries :-D |
| 14:29 |
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if i manage to get a 3-faced coin i'll use it to choose between Mojo, Catalyst and Dancer :-P |
| 14:30 |
jcamins |
tcohen: 1d6/2? :P |
| 14:31 |
tcohen |
i'm still amazed such an organized project has a source tree that doesn't look like an organized software project at all :-P |
| 14:31 |
magnuse |
tcohen: i vote for dancer ;-) |
| 14:31 |
jcamins |
tcohen: hehe. |
| 14:32 |
magnuse |
we live in a world of @quote get 123 |
| 14:32 |
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@quote get 123 |
| 14:32 |
huginn |
magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 14:32 |
wahanui |
http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 14:32 |
magnuse |
tcohen: what will you use a framework for? koha? |
| 14:32 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen: 10074 fixes ñ but warning about templates charset persist, HEAD~35 (from yesterday!) has no wornings |
| 14:33 |
tcohen |
of course, koha is the only project i'm intrested in magnuse |
| 14:33 |
magnuse |
w00t! so rewrite koha into a web publishing system? |
| 14:34 |
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that is a gargantuan task, for sure... |
| 14:35 |
druthb |
jcamins could do it real, real fast. He's like that. |
| 14:35 |
jcamins |
lol |
| 14:35 |
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Thanks. |
| 14:35 |
druthb |
:P |
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| 14:37 |
magnuse |
s/web publishing system/web framework" |
| 14:38 |
tcohen |
yes magnuse |
| 14:38 |
wahanui |
rumour has it magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza |
| 14:39 |
tcohen |
tcohen |
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hehe, i'm safe from wahanui |
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u don't know me wahanui |
| 14:39 |
magnuse |
tcohen? |
| 14:39 |
wahanui |
rumour has it tcohen is 120 |
| 14:39 |
tcohen |
oh |
| 14:39 |
magnuse |
hah! |
| 14:39 |
tcohen |
dingit |
| 14:39 |
magnuse |
:-) |
| 14:40 |
oleonard |
tcohen: You don't look a day over 95 |
| 14:40 |
tcohen |
heh |
| 14:42 |
cait |
cait? |
| 14:42 |
wahanui |
i guess cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 14:42 |
cait |
kf? |
| 14:42 |
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hm |
| 14:42 |
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slides? |
| 14:42 |
wahanui |
i think kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 14:42 |
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kf should be writing slides |
| 14:44 |
cait |
ah, i lag. |
| 14:44 |
jcamins |
Actually, that was wahanui lagging. |
| 14:45 |
cait |
oh |
| 14:45 |
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i hate tunnels. |
| 14:46 |
oleonard |
?? |
| 14:47 |
cait |
friends |
| 14:47 |
jcamins |
According to wikipedia, that's probably a reference to Friends. |
| 14:47 |
cait |
and I am on a train |
| 14:47 |
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jcamins: you don#t know friends? |
| 14:47 |
tcohen |
And he pretends to be president... |
| 14:47 |
jcamins |
However, I lost interest in finding out what that meant before I got through the "Rachel -- Relationship with Ross" section. |
| 14:48 |
cait |
heh |
| 14:48 |
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it's difficult |
| 14:48 |
oleonard |
I understand the reference but I don't understand how Koha wronged @zackosborne |
| 14:49 |
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Koha thought it and @zackosborne was on a break and installed itself on someone else's server? |
| 14:49 |
magnuse |
hehe |
| 14:50 |
jcamins |
oleonard: my takeaway from what I read of that section was that probably @zackosborne never told Koha how much it meant to him, so Koha went and provided a superior to ILS to many other libraries instead. |
| 14:50 |
tcohen |
bgkriegel: i get no warnings in my box... |
| 14:51 |
bgkriegel |
ok, recheck |
| 14:52 |
tcohen |
i think druthb is messing with you :-P |
| 14:53 |
oleonard |
*sigh* Someone who has nothing better to do please fact-check this? http://opensource.com/educatio[…]ject-lessons-koha |
| 14:53 |
jcamins |
oleonard: yeah, it was an interesting article. |
| 14:55 |
tcohen |
interesting article |
| 14:55 |
cait |
train arriving soon bbl :) |
| 14:55 |
tcohen |
bye cait, good luck |
| 14:56 |
cait |
thx tcohen :) |
| 14:56 |
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and lol at oleonard++ and jcamins++ :) |
| 14:56 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen, thats my output, clean new clone, http://mibpaste.com/KdqNPm |
| 14:58 |
pastebot |
"tcohen" at 172.22.66.76 pasted "cd misc/translator/po rm es-ES" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/473 |
| 14:59 |
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.12.x build #5: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.12.x/5/ |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10042 - Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10008 - Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10002 - Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10000 - Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip |
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* Colin Campbell: Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map |
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* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line |
| 14:59 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10042 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs |
| 14:59 |
jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning |
| 14:59 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 14:59 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus |
| 14:59 |
jenkins_koha |
Starting build #1142 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:03 |
tcohen |
bgkriegel: could you upload the po files you're using to es.koha-community.org? |
| 15:05 |
* druthb |
grumbles. 'swhat I get for messing with the Pootle box at midnight. |
| 15:05 |
reiveune |
bye |
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| 15:06 |
oleonard |
"The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel |
| 15:07 |
druthb |
@quote add oleonard: "The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel |
| 15:07 |
huginn |
druthb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:08 |
druthb |
@quote add oleonard: "The Pootle box at midnight" sounds like a mystery novel |
| 15:08 |
huginn |
druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #241 added. |
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| 15:15 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen: never |
| 15:16 |
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i'm using po from git |
| 15:16 |
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to really translate I use pootle ones |
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cait-m_ |
wave |
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waiting for the bus |
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@wunder cologne |
| 15:23 |
huginn |
cait-m_: Error: timed out |
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cait-m_ |
@wunder köln |
| 15:23 |
huginn |
cait-m_: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:24 |
* oleonard |
requests that everyone update their demos http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 15:25 |
cait-m_ |
i support that request :-) |
| 15:32 |
druthb |
yes. I tried to show someone something on *several* of the demos yesterday, and could not. |
| 15:32 |
* druthb |
gives the ebil eyeball to her ex-employer. She then gives a less-ebil eyeball to magnuse, whose demo has almost no data in it. |
| 15:33 |
cait-m_ |
we also have a demo list on the website |
| 15:33 |
oleonard |
demos? |
| 15:33 |
cait-m_ |
maybe consolidate? |
| 15:33 |
* oleonard |
hoped wahanui had something to say about it |
| 15:35 |
oleonard |
wahanui: demos are http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 15:35 |
wahanui |
OK, oleonard. |
| 15:35 |
druthb |
oleonard++ |
| 15:38 |
cait-m_ |
allergies-- |
| 15:57 |
bgkriegel |
tcohen: done! es-ES-po.zip |
| 16:06 |
jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #1142: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1142/ |
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* Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10042 - Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10008 - Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10002 - Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated |
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* Owen Leonard: Bug 10000 - Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip |
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* Colin Campbell: Bug 6554 Fix error caused by modifying $_ in a map |
| 16:06 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10042 trivial, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Minor typo ("Communnity") in packages docs |
| 16:06 |
jenkins_koha |
* Marcel de Rooy: Bug 7368: Typo in kohastructure.sql documentation line |
| 16:06 |
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* Marcel de Rooy: 7368 Typo in edithelp.pl warning |
| 16:06 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Serials search results 'Opened' tab should be 'Open' |
| 16:06 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10002 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't include line breaks in strings that are translated |
| 16:06 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10000 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Little typo in intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/help/tools/letter.tt: sliip |
| 16:06 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 16:06 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , General staff client typo omnibus |
| 16:08 |
oleonard |
Did we really intend for the patron to be able to submit a change to their home library from the OPAC? |
| 16:08 |
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We never allowed this before the patron self-registration feature |
| 16:10 |
jcamins |
oleonard: probably not? |
| 16:10 |
oleonard |
that's my guess |
| 16:12 |
gmcharlt |
unless the original patch was thinking in terms of home library == just the preferred pickup library? |
| 16:13 |
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agreed that we don't want to let patrons change their home library willy-nilly, but preferred pickup library is a different matter |
| 16:13 |
oleonard |
It makes sense for the new patron to be able to set a home library, but I'm not sure libraries would like that to be able to be changed after the fact? |
| 16:13 |
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I don't know. |
| 16:14 |
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I'm thinking we should simply exclude it from being able to be hidden by PatronSelfRegistrationBorrowerUnwantedField in the case of new registrations |
| 16:14 |
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That way the library can hide it from updates if they want to without it disappearing from the new registration form |
| 16:17 |
gmcharlt |
oleonard: maybe morph it into two sysprefs -- uwanted (or better, wanted?) fields for new registrations vs. updates? |
| 16:18 |
oleonard |
That makes a lot of sense (and would make the template rather complicated :P ) |
| 16:21 |
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...not that it isn't already... |
| 16:21 |
gmcharlt |
spitballing -- move some of the complexity into the script, then have the template just run a loop to display the form elements specified by the script |
| 16:22 |
oleonard |
Hard to manage labels that way, but doable |
| 16:24 |
gmcharlt |
more extreme spitballing -- move labels to a template does nothing but set template variables with the label text; easy enough to generate predictable names for the variables based on the database column names |
| 16:24 |
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bonus: make it easier to have fields be labelled consistently |
| 16:27 |
jcamins |
gmcharlt: and then we'll be already to use Catalyst's form generator? |
| 16:27 |
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*all ready |
| 16:28 |
gmcharlt |
presumably -- I like form generators (as long as one recognizes that sometimes one has to write a form manually in order to have better usability) |
| 16:28 |
jcamins |
I actually do not like form generators, generally. |
| 16:28 |
oleonard |
jcamins: Catalyst's form generator? |
| 16:28 |
tcohen |
gmcharlt: how does it sound "Extend CGI to provide a param_utf8_decode method"? |
| 16:28 |
jcamins |
oleonard: let me find an example. |
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oleonard: http://search.cpan.org/~nwiger[…]in/FormBuilder.pm |
| 16:29 |
gmcharlt |
tcohen: sounds reasonable |
| 16:30 |
oleonard |
Oh, I thought you meant Catalyst as in CatalystIT |
| 16:30 |
jcamins |
Nope. |
| 16:30 |
gmcharlt |
oleonard: "New Zealanders lovingly supplying hand-crafted web forms"? ;) |
| 16:30 |
jcamins |
I just thought that gmcharlt's suggestion sounded like a move in that direction. |
| 16:30 |
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gmcharlt++ # I always import my web forms from NZ |
| 16:31 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: it is indeed; certainly at least as a way to helping to promote more consistency |
| 16:31 |
oleonard |
"Sorry the web site is delayed because a storm hit our steam ship in the Pacific" |
| 16:32 |
* gmcharlt |
realizes that if Koha were to adopt Catalyst, that would mean I'd have to juggle three different Catalysts in my mind |
| 16:32 |
oleonard |
What's the other one? |
| 16:32 |
wahanui |
the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine. |
| 16:33 |
jcamins |
The CatalystIT that does EG work. |
| 16:33 |
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tcohen: wouldn't it make more sense to just override ->param altogether? |
| 16:33 |
gmcharlt |
wahanui: forget the other one |
| 16:33 |
wahanui |
gmcharlt: I forgot other one |
| 16:34 |
tcohen |
i'm not sure we are decoding everything we read from params jcamins |
| 16:35 |
jcamins |
tcohen: it seems to me that anywhere that we are depending on _not_ getting valid UTF-8, there is a problem. |
| 16:36 |
tcohen |
i'll change the method name and see if everything breaks |
| 16:36 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: MARC file uploads and patron imagess, you mean? |
| 16:36 |
jcamins |
gmcharlt: if we use ->param() for those, I think we have bigger problems. |
| 16:37 |
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As I understand it, HTTP parameters are limited to fairly small strings. |
| 16:37 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: indeed, but just noting things to be checked during testing |
| 16:37 |
jcamins |
Of course. |
| 16:38 |
gmcharlt |
but note that params can come in via POST, and don't have to be small </pedantic> |
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| 16:39 |
jcamins |
And, of course, changing every single "use CGI" to "use Koha::CGI" at once would seem to be a recipe for disaster. |
| 16:39 |
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Even if the change causes no breakage. |
| 16:39 |
* jcamins |
heads into the city |
| 16:40 |
jcamins |
BTW, gmcharlt, I said that folks had until next Friday to test the encoding stuff, after which point I would revert bug 6554 from 3.12.x. |
| 16:40 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 16:40 |
tcohen |
jcamins: bug 10072 |
| 16:40 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10072 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , "my suggestions" always says "There are no pending purchase suggestions." |
| 16:41 |
tcohen |
nope |
| 16:41 |
gmcharlt |
jcamins: gotcha -- I hope to have some concentrated cycles to look at it this weekend |
| 16:41 |
tcohen |
bug 10074 |
| 16:41 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Encoding problems in templates |
| 16:42 |
tcohen |
that patch fixes it |
| 16:43 |
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one of the patches removed the BOM from the template output |
| 16:45 |
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i revert it with the patch |
| 16:50 |
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hmm, its a lag or just silence? |
| 16:54 |
* tcohen |
is scared, runs away just in case |
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| 16:55 |
chris_n |
@seen rangi |
| 16:55 |
huginn |
chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 51 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <rangi> its a bit unrealistic to expect someone who doesnt know chinese to fix it |
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tcohen |
bgkriegel: it wasn't so simple to fix that encoding issues |
| 17:10 |
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there's a lot of other code that depends on that |
| 17:14 |
bgkriegel |
ouch |
| 17:14 |
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can I help? |
| 17:22 |
magnuse |
bgkriegel++ for volunteering |
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jcamins |
ie-- |
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| 18:00 |
rambutan |
>find / -name kf -print |
| 18:00 |
jcamins |
She's on a bus, I think. |
| 18:00 |
rambutan |
ah |
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find /bus -name kf -print |
| 18:31 |
jatara |
did i hear someone was rewriting account management? |
| 18:31 |
jcamins |
Kyle has threatened to try, yes. |
| 18:32 |
tcohen |
jcamins, I understood the problem with 6554 |
| 18:33 |
jatara |
i would love to help if i can...i'm having a hard time with getting fine reports to run correctly |
| 18:33 |
tcohen |
problems arise on libs/scripts that output templates using 'print' instead of setting the headers using output_with_http_headers |
| 18:33 |
jcamins |
You can ask khall if there's anything you can do. |
| 18:33 |
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tcohen: ooh, that would explain it. |
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| 18:34 |
khall |
? |
| 18:34 |
jcamins |
We shouldn't be doing that anyway. |
| 18:34 |
tcohen |
provided a patch for Auth.pm |
| 18:34 |
jcamins |
khall: if there's anything jatara can do to help. |
| 18:34 |
tcohen |
yes, I noted that on the patch |
| 18:34 |
khall |
it's not a threat, it's a promise ; ) |
| 18:35 |
jcamins |
khall: you say that now... ;) |
| 18:35 |
khall |
heh! The only thing I'm suspicious of is the almost total absence of feedback for the RFC |
| 18:35 |
oleonard |
khall: That's par for the course |
| 18:36 |
jatara |
there's an rfc for the fix? |
| 18:36 |
tcohen |
jcamins, have u seen 9735? |
| 18:36 |
jcamins |
khall: feedback on RFCs is the exception for the rule. |
| 18:36 |
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bug 9735 |
| 18:36 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
| 18:36 |
jcamins |
I have, yes. |
| 18:36 |
khall |
I *really* don't want to complete the patch and get pounded with stuff. However, it's going to be feature complete, and a bit more even. |
| 18:37 |
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The big thing to me is we can have fines directly attached it issues, and payments directly attached to fines |
| 18:37 |
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none of this 'looking it up based on the description' business. That's how we got the fines doubling bug |
| 18:39 |
maximep |
khall++ for the courage to do it =) |
| 18:39 |
jatara |
and credits, too (please) |
| 18:39 |
khall |
: ) |
| 18:39 |
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jatara, indeed! |
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| 18:46 |
jatara |
is there a way to currently run a report in Koha that returns that a list of borrowers who owe money? i'm not too sure the sample sql query in the reports library works well since it seems to pull from the amount in the "amount outstanding"column and not "total due" |
| 18:50 |
jcamins |
jatara: amountoutstanding = amount currently owed |
| 18:50 |
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total due = amount billed |
| 18:51 |
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I think. |
| 18:55 |
maximep |
hmmm I have a page called "cash register stats" that shows all fines/payments/etc. Pretty sure i'm going to share it soon |
| 18:55 |
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but I have said that about budget stuff months ago |
| 18:56 |
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on another note, would bug 10076 be a good idea in your opinions ? |
| 18:56 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10076 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add Bcc syspref for claimacquisition and clamissues |
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jatara |
jcamins: should they be one and the same? |
| 19:09 |
tcohen |
jcamins, is there a reason Auth.pm doesn't include Output.pm? |
| 19:09 |
jcamins |
jatara: it depends if a fine has been paid. |
| 19:09 |
tcohen |
(besides the fact that it shouldnt, of course :-P) |
| 19:09 |
jcamins |
tcohen: there is. Since C4::Output depends on C4::Auth, you need to use require. |
| 19:10 |
tcohen |
the docs make me think it was in the past, and has been removed |
| 19:10 |
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maybe for removing circular dependencies |
| 19:10 |
jcamins |
Yup. |
| 19:11 |
jatara |
people look at the "total due" field to determine if someone owes money...why wouldn't it reflect what's currently owed? |
| 19:11 |
tcohen |
so, for 3.12, and the 6554 thing |
| 19:11 |
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do u prefer I patch it so it works, including C4::Output or not? |
| 19:12 |
jcamins |
If you use "require" at the smallest possible context, I'm fine with judiciously re-cycling C4. |
| 19:12 |
tcohen |
basically i have to patch every script that prints to STDOUT without using output_html_with_http_headers |
| 19:12 |
jcamins |
The alternative is broken encodings. |
| 19:13 |
tcohen |
the alternative is leaving the code as-is (print $query.... ) but encoding data first |
| 19:13 |
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take a look at bug 10074 |
| 19:13 |
huginn |
04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10074 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Encoding problems in templates |
| 19:13 |
tcohen |
that patch implements the approach |
| 19:14 |
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otherwise, I use output_html_with_http_headers |
| 19:14 |
jcamins |
Hm. |
| 19:14 |
tcohen |
on InstallerAuth.pm i can, because it is included right now |
| 19:15 |
jcamins |
Right. |
| 19:15 |
tcohen |
(InstallerAuth.pm would have been easier to test with the language thing :-P) |
| 19:15 |
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so, which u prefer? |
| 19:16 |
jcamins |
I think I would favor require C4::Output right where you are doing the encode + output_html_with_http_headers. |
| 19:16 |
tcohen |
ok, I'll require C4::Output then |
| 19:16 |
jcamins |
Really the actual printing should be moved to Koha::Output or something and not depend on anything other than CGI. |
| 19:16 |
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But that's not a short-term fix. |
| 19:17 |
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ie-- |
| 19:17 |
tcohen |
ie? |
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wahanui |
it has been said that ie is down 28...keep 'em coming. |
| 19:18 |
jcamins |
I'm using IE instead of a usable browser right now. |
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Even on IE9, :before and :after are just broken. |
| 19:19 |
tcohen |
hmm, Output doesn't use Auth |
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jcamins |
Really? |
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Then I got confused. |
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Probably still a good idea to use require, since that makes the source of that function explicit. |
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amir |
hi |
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oleonard |
Hi amir |
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jatara |
hi amir |
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amir |
Can anyone guide me on how to customize the search results? |
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Would like the edition statement to appear to appear on the resuits |
| 19:24 |
jcamins |
second question? |
| 19:24 |
wahanui |
hmmm... second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 19:24 |
jcamins |
No, that's not the one I wanted. |
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third question? |
| 19:24 |
wahanui |
third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]ion-koha-running/ |
| 19:24 |
jcamins |
That's my question. ^^ :) |
| 19:26 |
amir |
sorry, running 3.06.10.000 |
| 19:26 |
jcamins |
Are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC? |
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amir |
marc21 |
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jcamins |
Okay. |
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Unfortunately, there is no easy way -- that I know of -- to do it. |
| 19:27 |
amir |
ok... |
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jcamins |
Wait, just kidding. |
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There's a very easy way to do it. |
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:) |
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Turn on the OPACResultsXSLT system preference. |
| 19:28 |
amir |
doing that now |
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ok, not finding it in the system preferences search |
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jcamins |
I may have the name wrong. |
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It's something to do with OPAC, Results, and XSLT. |
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It's in the OPAC tab. |
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oleonard |
OPACXSLTResultsDisplay |
| 19:30 |
jcamins |
That's the one. |
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We should simplify that. |
| 19:30 |
amir |
found it |
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jcamins |
OPACResultsXSLT is much easier to remember. |
| 19:31 |
tcohen |
grep -R "print \$query" * | grep -v -e redirect -e xml |
| 19:33 |
amir |
wonderful, thanks a lot... |
| 19:37 |
cait |
packages? |
| 19:37 |
wahanui |
i guess packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 19:42 |
rambutan |
cait: I do hope you appreciate the reference in the comments. http://opensource.com/educatio[…]oha#comment-11985 |
| 19:42 |
cait |
oh? |
| 19:43 |
rambutan |
cookies? |
| 19:43 |
wahanui |
Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 19:43 |
cait |
cookies? :) |
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where is wizzyrea when you need her? |
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wizzyrea wizzyrea wizzyrea |
| 19:45 |
tcohen |
jcamins, do u remember places where "random encoding problems" were seen? |
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(you mentioned it in the morning) |
| 19:46 |
jcamins |
tcohen: you found a problem in the installer and Karam reported problems with user names in titles. |
| 19:46 |
tcohen |
i've found a pattern, which I saw only on installer/InstallAuth.pm and C4/Auth.pm |
| 19:46 |
jcamins |
I use English almost exclusively, so I haven't particularly noticed problems. |
| 19:46 |
tcohen |
there are to battle fronts: |
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- what comes from CGI parameters |
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- what we output |
| 19:47 |
oleonard |
rambutan++ # I still can't bring myself to read the article though |
| 19:47 |
tcohen |
the second one, is the one i've been tackling the las hour |
| 19:47 |
cait |
me niether, no time right now |
| 19:47 |
tcohen |
found that output_html_with_http_headers was working fine, and places where translations seemed broken |
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were those that did print directly |
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; those are patched |
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what is not covered is UTF-8 input decoding |
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which is done on each place we find it is needed (hence the CGI->param overriding idea) |
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* tcohen |
turns verbose mode=off |
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* druthb |
takes a poll…anyone think cait is gonna do a crummy preso tomorrow? |
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* jcamins |
does not. |
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oleonard |
Not me |
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rambutan |
what's a preso |
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? |
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oleonard |
...especially if she uses my LOLcats idea. |
| 20:02 |
druthb |
presentation. |
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rambutan |
ah, got it |
| 20:02 |
druthb |
Hearing no yays, the motion is quashed. |
| 20:03 |
gp5st |
where does this system preferences table get generated? |
| 20:03 |
jcamins |
oleonard: Myshkin was a vital part of druthb's presentation on something Koha-related at some point. |
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gp5st: what do you mean? |
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druthb |
I'm thinking if cait goes to KohaCon, I'd better not. She's gonna kick my butt. |
| 20:03 |
cait |
? |
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tcohen |
why such violence cait? |
| 20:04 |
gp5st |
jcamins: hello. I'm having trouble setting up a koha instance using an old database. I had a 3.0 db. I imported it into mysql, then ran koha-update-to-3.4 and it said it updated it to 3.8.11 but when I navigate to the website I get a maintence page and a lot of logs complaining about a missing system_preferences table(I uses koha-upgrade-schema, koha-create and koha-enable after i had the db upgraded) |
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druthb |
I'm mean to her. |
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jcamins |
gp5st: you need to run koha-upgrade-schema |
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gp5st |
sorry, the inet here is so crappy i don't even know if that got through before |
| 20:04 |
jcamins |
Both of them. |
| 20:05 |
gp5st |
jcamins: i had done that |
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jcamins |
(i.e. koha-update-to-3.4 and koha-upgrade-schema) |
| 20:05 |
gp5st |
i did that |
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see the end of the post |
| 20:05 |
jcamins |
Hm. |
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So koha-upgrade-schema you ran *after* loading the database? |
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And the database was workking on your 3.0 installation? |
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* tcohen |
runs for his thursday tennis match |
| 20:06 |
gp5st |
fwiw it gives a metric ton of warmings, most of which are: Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5282, <FILE> chunk 69. |
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Upgrade to 3.08.06.000 (3.8.6 release) done |
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jcamins: yes, the 3.0 system was all working |
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druthb |
oleonard, jcamins: http://www.librarygeekgirl.net[…]ng-KUDOSCon11.pdf |
| 20:06 |
jcamins |
Okay. |
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I think your 3.0 data was loaded into the wrong database. |
| 20:06 |
gp5st |
i rand upgrade-to-3.4 then upgrade-scheme, then created and enabled the library |
| 20:07 |
jcamins |
When you ran koha-create you probably wiped your data. |
| 20:07 |
gp5st |
jcamins: no, it's the same one identified in the site config for this koha install |
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hmm |
| 20:07 |
jcamins |
The first step is koha-create, then you load the data, then you run the upgrade scripts. |
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Because those errors are what you'd get if you had an empty database. |
| 20:07 |
gp5st |
ah. well let me try this again |
| 20:07 |
jcamins |
Or, I suppose, an incomplete backup. |
| 20:07 |
gp5st |
if it wiped my db though, why didn't it put in the tables it needs? |
| 20:08 |
jcamins |
Because koha-create does not install any data. |
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You have to go through the web installer. |
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By design. |
| 20:08 |
gp5st |
when i did create, i used the --use-db param, though |
| 20:08 |
jcamins |
You have to make more choices than could reasonably be stuck on a command line. |
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koha-upgrade-schema only works with an existing instance. |
| 20:09 |
gp5st |
yes, you're right, i have the order backwards |
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i trued to upgrade, but it required an instance |
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* jcamins |
will have to leave this for someone else to troubleshoot, as he's leaving shortly, though. |
| 20:10 |
gp5st |
maybe i should just leave and come back and do this when the day doesn't suck so much and i don't have terrible sinus pressure |
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thanks jcamins |
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oh, hmm, the sqldump specifies the db name inside it, that's no good and probably the root of a lot of this |
| 20:12 |
oleonard |
Bye #koha |
| 20:13 |
bag |
afternoon all :) |
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druthb |
hi, bag! |
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bag |
heya druthb |
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cait |
packages? |
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wahanui |
i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
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gp5st1 |
ok well, it's taking much longer to do the schema update this time. lots of "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2966." warnings as well |
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gp5st |
ok well, it's taking much longer to do the schema update this time. lots of "Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2966." warnings as well |
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how long should the upgrade process take? |
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koha-upgrade-to-3.4 i mean |
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cait |
depends on yourcollection size I would think |
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Guest2684 |
hi, sorry the beetlegeuse trick didn't work |
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wizzyrea1 |
let's try that again |
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wizzyrea |
so hi, cait, did you need something? |
| 20:47 |
cait |
um |
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wizzyrea |
you invoked me 3x earlier :) |
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cait |
yeah, I wanted to ask you to help me find some numbers about the size of your former employer |
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cait |
*hide* |
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tcohen |
? |
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wizzyrea |
oh - when I left, there were ~800k items, ~25k borrowers, ~500k bibs |
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and 42 libraries |
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they just added on a school system though |
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which was a good 5 or 6 more. |
| 20:49 |
cait |
<3 |
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so ca. 50? :P |
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wizzyrea |
(possibly more than that actually) |
| 20:50 |
cait |
but 40 sounds nice already |
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bag |
nope wizzyrea you're correct |
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less than 50 more than 40 :D |
| 20:50 |
cait |
oh hi bag :) |
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bag |
they were just added last weekend |
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wizzyrea |
haha, on nexpresslibrary.or |
| 20:50 |
bag |
hi cait |
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wizzyrea |
org, they say "850k items" |
| 20:50 |
cait |
can I ask you - what's your bywaters biggest library? :) |
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wizzyrea: where? I searched the internets all over |
| 20:51 |
bag |
define "biggest" |
| 20:51 |
wizzyrea |
in the first post, the training one, it says "Welcome and enjoy access to 850,000 items, including books, movies, videogames, audiobooks and cake pans." |
| 20:51 |
cait |
where do you point if someone tells you koha only works for small libraries :) |
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cait |
i should not forget to mention the cake pans |
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bag |
oh.. cait well NEKLS, Masscat, Renoe(washoe county) is high circ, Trillium is the most unique - it's like 48 or so school libraries all on the same server but different databases, |
| 20:53 |
wizzyrea |
they used to put it on the home page when they added new libraries |
| 20:53 |
cait |
and exra points for big academic |
| 20:53 |
bag |
there are more… |
| 20:53 |
wizzyrea |
oh well rangi has a slide for that |
| 20:53 |
cait |
yep I know - just really hard to find numbers |
| 20:53 |
bag |
oh big academic… yeah rangi has a great slide for that |
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wizzyrea |
i'll find it for you one sec |
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http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]/intro_pres/#pops |
| 20:54 |
cait |
wizzyrea: I got it I think - the one with the green and red |
| 20:54 |
wizzyrea |
yep |
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cait |
bag: the oclc thing koha can do - that was oclc connexion client? :) |
| 20:56 |
bag |
yes |
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cait |
thx |
| 20:57 |
rangi |
cait you want the numbers? |
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* cait |
sends cookies to everyone |
| 20:57 |
bag |
you can use the desktop client or the webclient to export to batches in koha or directly into koha |
| 20:58 |
kathryn |
oh this is a handy convo to eavesdrop on :) morning all :) |
| 20:58 |
rangi |
cait: aix marseille 71,000, San Andres 65000, Paris 8 57190, Adis Ababa 43000 |
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cait |
hi kathryn :) |
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bag: do the web client and desktop client have specific namesor something? |
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i just want to name it right if that is possible |
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wizzyrea |
Connexion Client |
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I think |
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or OCLC Connexion |
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cait |
and how does it work? do I have to click somehting to start it? |
| 21:01 |
bag |
I know them as connexion (web or desktop) client |
| 21:01 |
cait |
or does it do it when i save a record or something? |
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wizzyrea |
ping trea |
| 21:01 |
trea |
go ahead |
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wizzyrea |
there's a server side bit |
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for connexion |
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trea |
correct. Ruth wrote a script that daemonizes a gateway on the server |
| 21:02 |
bag |
yeah trea is the deafulted connexion guy here :P poor trea |
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trea++ |
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wizzyrea |
you give it your credentials and it talks straight to oclc or somesuch |
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i've never seen the interface for it |
| 21:02 |
trea |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…]oclcappendix.html |
| 21:03 |
wizzyrea |
oooo trea++ |
| 21:03 |
trea |
you'll have to specify a default user to have the gateway use, if they don't specify their own credentials |
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i just use this for installs. it seems to work well enough |
| 21:04 |
bag |
trea++ thanks man :) |
| 21:05 |
trea |
you'll also need to be aware that there was a bug introduced here depending on what version of koha you're using - http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9908 |
| 21:05 |
huginn |
04Bug 9908: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , OCLC Connexion Desktop Client Doesn't Work |
| 21:05 |
trea |
it's a one line typo, but it still breaks it |
| 21:06 |
wizzyrea |
but it's fixed in master :) |
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| 21:08 |
cait |
trea++ wizzyrea++ bag++ kathryn++ rangi++ and jcamins++ |
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phew |
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wizzyrea |
hehe |
| 21:09 |
trea |
:D |
| 21:09 |
cait |
who do we tell about typos in the manual? *hides |
| 21:09 |
rangi |
cait: you send patches of course :) |
| 21:10 |
cait |
lol should have known :) |
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wizzyrea |
I think you can file a documentation bug |
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and attach patches there |
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I think that works. |
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at least, it should work. |
| 21:12 |
cait |
i just read the instructions :) does someone know what you have to do in the connexion client? |
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it says "with one click" |
| 21:12 |
trea |
sure. there are setup instructions. one second |
| 21:14 |
pastebot |
"trea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "OCLC Connextion Client Setup Instructions" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/476 |
| 21:14 |
trea |
i'm surprised this isn't in the docs. |
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it should be. |
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wizzyrea |
be rangi |
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wahanui |
There's a bug for that |
| 21:16 |
wizzyrea |
be rangi |
| 21:16 |
wahanui |
Send a patch! |
| 21:16 |
wizzyrea |
there we go |
| 21:24 |
cait |
lol :) |
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cait |
learning lots tonight, thank you all :) |
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huginn |
Oh no, not this fool again |
| 21:25 |
trea |
lol! |
| 21:25 |
bag |
ha |
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wizzyrea |
omg. |
| 21:25 |
bag |
that's pretty brilliant |
| 21:25 |
tcohen |
heh |
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huginn |
GERMS!!!! |
| 21:26 |
wahanui |
Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
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* cait |
giggles |
| 21:26 |
cait |
can we talk about ldap next? :P |
| 21:26 |
bag |
sure |
| 21:26 |
trea |
you know you wanna go, where all the bots know your name. |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles |
| 21:27 |
trea |
anyways, go ahead |
| 21:27 |
bag |
:D |
| 21:31 |
cait |
so that ldap thing... :) |
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there seems to be different ways to use it |
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I think you can tell it to replicate data on login into koha or not do that? |
| 21:33 |
rangi |
yes |
| 21:33 |
cait |
and there are different ways how you can connect it to your ldap it seems |
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like 3 different? |
| 21:33 |
rangi |
http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]and_field_mapping |
| 21:34 |
cait |
rangi++ < hero |
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wizzyrea |
rangi++ (because I agree with cait) |
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bag |
wait ranig is less than a hero? |
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sorry rangi is less than a hero? Or am I reading that wrong? |
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wizzyrea |
I think it's more of an arrow |
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rangi <--- hero |
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bag |
ahhh |
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heh :P |
| 21:36 |
cait |
arrow! |
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brb :) |
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| 21:48 |
sammy |
Hello, good day to you all |
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Please I need help with my KOHA installation |
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wizzyrea |
we can try to help |
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go ahead :) |
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Guest2748 |
thanks |
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The problem is with the zebra server |
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I cannot get it to work |
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wizzyrea |
searching faq? |
| 21:49 |
wahanui |
searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 21:50 |
wizzyrea |
you'll have to scroll down to the bottom |
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Guest2748 |
Yes, I have searched and eaven google so many records but yet I have not succeeded in making it work |
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I have tried that but yet no success |
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the zebra server is not running |
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rangi |
what version of koha, how did you install it, and what OS ? |
| 21:52 |
Guest2748 |
3.10, I installed using the debian package |
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debian squeeze |
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wahanui |
rumour has it debian squeeze is recommended for koha |
| 21:53 |
rangi |
so apt-get install koha-common ? |
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rangi |
debian? |
| 21:53 |
wahanui |
somebody said debian was what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 21:53 |
rangi |
packages |
| 21:53 |
wahanui |
it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 21:53 |
rangi |
following those instructions exactly ? |
| 21:54 |
Guest2748 |
yes, |
| 21:54 |
rangi |
cos then zebra will just work, you shouldnt have to do anything and that faq, plus most googles are to do with tarball or git installs so are not right |
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so what is the exact error you are getting when you start zebra? |
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sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart |
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Guest2748 |
that's why I dont know what the problem is |
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ok, let me try the command, thanks |
| 21:55 |
rangi |
we wont know either unless you can paste in the exact error :-) |
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Guest2748 |
I ran the command, I got thismessage: Restarting Koha ILS: daemonexecutablenameStopping Zebra server for koha daemon: fatal: failed to stop the koha-koha-zebra daemon: No such process Starting Zebra server for koha |
| 21:57 |
rangi |
ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" |
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what output does that give you |
| 21:57 |
Guest2748 |
this is the result: 7732 pts/0 S+ 0:00 \_ grep zebrasrv |
| 21:59 |
rangi |
right so its not running still, are you sure nothing went wrong when you installed the packages? |
| 21:59 |
Guest2748 |
Everything was fine, though I am not an expert, |
| 22:00 |
rangi |
and everything else is working, its just zebra not? |
| 22:00 |
Guest2748 |
yes, everything else is working |
| 22:02 |
rangi |
is there anything in /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log ? |
| 22:03 |
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(swap instancename for the name you picked when doing koha-create) |
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crashed |
| 22:03 |
Guest2748 |
rootsam2:~# cat /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log cat: /var/log/koha/instancename/zebra-error.log: No such file or directory |
| 22:04 |
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sorry |
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rootsam2:~# cat /var/log/koha/koha/zebra-error.log cat: /var/log/koha/koha/zebra-error.log: No such file or directory |
| 22:06 |
rangi |
what is in /var/log/koha/koha ? |
| 22:07 |
Guest2748 |
rootsam2:~# ls -l /var/log/koha/koha ls: cannot access /var/log/koha/koha: No such file or directory |
| 22:08 |
rangi |
are you sure you called your instance koha ? |
| 22:08 |
Guest2748 |
yes |
| 22:09 |
wizzyrea |
what is in /var/log/koha? |
| 22:10 |
Guest2748 |
rootsam2:~# ls -l /var/log/koha total 22588 -rw-r--r-- 1 koha root 903884 Apr 18 23:14 koha-error_log -rw-r--r-- 1 koha root 22186500 Apr 18 16:27 koha-opac-error_log -rw-r--r-- 1 koha koha 17 Jan 22 16:11 README |
| 22:13 |
cait |
@wunder cologne, germany |
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huginn |
cait: The current temperature in Koeln / Bonn, Germany is 10.0°C (12:00 AM CEST on April 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:14 |
rangi |
i suspect that is the problem |
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try making an instance called something else |
| 22:15 |
Guest2748 |
ok, so you suggest a re-installation? |
| 22:15 |
rangi |
no |
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just do a |
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sudo koha-create somethingelse |
| 22:16 |
Guest2748 |
ok please let me continue to follow you as you guide, I will do this now |
| 22:16 |
rangi |
but i suspect it being called koha has meant the directories didn't get made properly |
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sudo koha-create --create-db somethingbutnotkoha |
| 22:17 |
Guest2748 |
I will use efcclib, is this oksy |
| 22:17 |
rangi |
yep |
| 22:17 |
Guest2748 |
ok, let me start now |
| 22:17 |
rangi |
then just work through the web isntaller etc |
| 22:18 |
Guest2748 |
rootsam2:~# sudo koha-create efcclib Usage: /usr/sbin/koha-create [--create-db|--request-db|--populate-db|--use-db] [--marcflavor marc21|normarc|unimarc] [--zebralang en|nb|fr] [--defaultsql /path/to/some.sql] [--configfile /path/to/config] [--passwdfile /path/to/passwd] [--database database] [--adminuser n] instancename |
| 22:18 |
rangi |
sudo koha-create --create-db efcclib |
| 22:19 |
Guest2748 |
ok, thanks |
| 22:19 |
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rootsam2:~# sudo koha-create --create-db efcclib User efcclib-koha already exists. |
| 22:20 |
rangi |
sudo koha-remove efcclib |
| 22:20 |
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then try again |
| 22:21 |
Guest2748 |
ok, thanks |
| 22:21 |
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rootsam2:~# sudo koha-remove efcclib Koha configuration directory for instance "efcclib" does not exist, please specify a valid Koha instance |
| 22:22 |
rangi |
hmm at this point it might be better to start again clean, do exactly what you did last time |
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and but do not call the instance koha :) |
| 22:23 |
Guest2748 |
That is to re-install or create another instance, like efccacad |
| 22:23 |
rangi |
lets try just another instance first to check that it works ok, if it does, you might wnat to start over so you have a nice clean one |
| 22:24 |
Guest2748 |
ok, let me try another instance efccacad |
| 22:24 |
rangi |
ok |
| 22:25 |
Guest2748 |
rootsam2:~# sudo koha-create --create-db efccacad ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 22:26 |
rangi |
weird, i dont know how you managed to create the first instance then? |
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eythian |
hi |
| 22:28 |
wahanui |
hola, eythian |
| 22:28 |
Guest2748 |
OK, do I start everything all over again, so I can install once again following the steps in the url you gave earlier? |
| 22:28 |
rangi |
that might be the best idea |
| 22:28 |
Guest2748 |
http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 22:29 |
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so how do I uninstall the current installation? |
| 22:31 |
rangi |
do you have anything else on that server? |
| 22:32 |
Guest2748 |
yes |
| 22:32 |
rangi |
sudo apt-get purge koha-common |
| 22:32 |
Guest2748 |
I installed DSPACE too which is working perfectly |
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Please I will need you to guide me as I do this... do I start now? |
| 22:33 |
rangi |
im sorry I have to get back to my job now |
| 22:33 |
Guest2748 |
ok, thanks for your help |
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I hope someone else will continue from where you stop |
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grimgables |
greetings and salutations! two weeks ago i started working a small library that uses KOHA so i'm just checking out the chat :) |
| 23:04 |
Irma |
welcome grimgables |
| 23:05 |
grimgables |
thanks Irma |
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Irma |
chat with you grimgables another time ... I have an appointment to go to. Have a good day! |
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wizzyrea |
oh drats I always like talking with new users |
| 23:55 |
bag |
hi there |
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I can pretend :P |
| 23:59 |
eythian |
wizzyrea: it's not working |
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wizzyrea: fix it please |
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(new enough? ;) |
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