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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:06 | mtompset | giving ubuntu 13.04 beta 2 a whirl. :) |
| 00:49 | Nice... Looks like Koha sets up nice under 13.04 for packages. :) | |
| 00:50 | (I used squeeze-dev) | |
| 01:05 | ubuntu 13.04, that is. | |
| 01:05 | (beta 2) | |
| 01:22 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:34 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 01:34 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 01:39 | Does anyone use Solr for indexing other than BibLibre? | |
| 01:40 | rangi | not me |
| 01:43 | dcook | Nor would you? |
| 01:44 | rangi | naw, no advantage |
| 01:44 | everything ppl blame on zebra, are problems we totally created ourselves | |
| 01:45 | dcook | With perhaps the exception of not having an active development community |
| 01:45 | Overall, Zebra seems to work pretty well | |
| 01:45 | jcamins | Also, the Solr implementation we have now doesn't work. |
| 01:45 | dcook | My only complaints would be the config files (which...you get used to) |
| 01:46 | jcamins | Kind of a critical error. |
| 01:46 | dcook | jcamins: I thought that was the case as well ;) |
| 01:46 | So BibLibre has a successful implementation, but their code hasn't come over? | |
| 01:46 | jcamins | That is my assumption. |
| 01:46 | dcook | Same |
| 01:47 | rangi: What's your take on the facets issue? | |
| 01:47 | Is that one of the issues that we created ourselves or is that a limitation of Zebra? | |
| 01:48 | jcamins | Our fault, mostly. |
| 01:48 | rangi | not sure about that jcamins would know, but im guessing our fault |
| 01:48 | *snap* | |
| 01:49 | dcook | Hmm |
| 01:50 | jcamins | I mean, solr has better faceting than Zebra, but Zebra has better faceting than Koha. |
| 01:51 | dcook | Mmm |
| 01:52 | But then the diacritic issue comes up that they mention in the RFC | |
| 01:52 | With Zebra facets | |
| 01:54 | jcamins | It's possible to get raw facets out of Zebra. |
| 02:03 | dcook | So I assume that we haven't "fixed" facets in Zebra because there hasn't been the financial support to do it yet? |
| 02:03 | Zebra = Koha | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:04 | It was part of my search rewrite proposal. | |
| 02:05 | dcook | Koha really needs to win the lottery or put together some sort of donation service.. |
| 02:06 | Interesting fact | |
| 02:06 | Saskatchewan lotteries actually puts quite a bit of money into public libraries | |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Most of the special collections in the UK get a sizable portion of the acquisition budgets from the National Lottery Fund. |
| 02:08 | rangi | dcook: basically we need to join something like SPI to hold the money first |
| 02:08 | then we can collect it | |
| 02:09 | dcook | rangi: SPI? |
| 02:09 | wahanui | SPI is just a way to hold/traffic assets |
| 02:09 | dcook | jcamins: That's cool |
| 02:09 | rangi | http://spi-inc.org/ |
| 02:09 | dcook | I was just about to ask if that was the link |
| 02:10 | rangi | debian, jenkins, libreoffice etc |
| 02:10 | use it | |
| 02:10 | postgres too | |
| 02:11 | http://www.spi-inc.org/projects/services/ | |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | in good company :) |
| 02:11 | dcook | Sounds great |
| 02:12 | rangi | http://www.spi-inc.org/project[…]ed-project-howto/ |
| 02:12 | not too complicated either | |
| 02:13 | dcook | Might not be the easiest to donate to though |
| 02:14 | 4.5% from credit cards then 5% for overhead | |
| 02:14 | Doesn't that work out to more than some of the other services that you were looking at before? | |
| 02:14 | Surprised to see them mention "checks" so much | |
| 02:14 | I didn't know that people really used them anymore | |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 02:14 | Only in the US. | |
| 02:15 | rangi | dcook: those services are just for random things, and don't really span project stuff |
| 02:15 | spi can also hold the TMs, koha-community.org etc | |
| 02:15 | dcook | Interesting |
| 02:15 | wahanui | Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:16 | dcook | The fact that other big projects are associated certainly makes it seem more attractive |
| 02:17 | rangi | its a good way to safely put things the whole community own |
| 02:18 | dcook | Sounds good to me |
| 02:21 | bag | evening |
| 02:22 | rangi | hey bag |
| 02:23 | bag | yo rangi |
| 02:23 | sad day here | |
| 02:23 | rangi | yeah, i saw, what a mess |
| 02:23 | bag | yeah mess is right - you can say that again |
| 02:29 | mtj | hi all - sorry to hear the news from boston :( |
| 02:31 | bag | hey mtj |
| 02:31 | mtj | jcamins, there is one big feature solr has, thats missing from zebra…. good searching of CJK ngrams |
| 02:31 | bag | yup not good |
| 02:31 | jcamins | mtj: yeah, but I'd rather have searching work for the languages I use first. |
| 02:32 | dcook | evening bag |
| 02:32 | mtj | jcamins. yes, of course…. |
| 02:32 | bag | hey dcook |
| 02:33 | dcook | mtj: Personally, I'd love to see a Koha that could be DB and Indexer independent, but...easier said than done |
| 02:34 | jcamins | Yeah, that would be the ideal. |
| 02:34 | rangi | the search rewrite was moving us in that direction |
| 02:34 | dcook | was? |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Yes, the author got sick of it, and after he finishes some bugfixes to the first part, he's declaring it over as far as he's concerned. |
| 02:35 | dcook | Mmm, fair enough |
| 02:36 | mtj | so, for us non-CJK users… there is not much difference in features between solr and zebra , for koha |
| 02:36 | jcamins | Ideally someone else would pick it up after I wrote up what needed to be done, but most people knew it was a bad idea without trying first. |
| 02:36 | dcook | The author has done a lot of work, and I certainly wouldn't fault them for getting sick of it |
| 02:36 | Bad idea meaning an overly ambition idea? | |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:37 | mtj | but for CJK users, solr gives them a chance at decent search results - that zebra cant |
| 02:37 | eythian | gar, finally got master building again. |
| 02:37 | dcook | mtj: I think there are criticisms of Zebra's ability to handle diacritics for roman scripts as well |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | confetti! |
| 02:37 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 02:37 | dcook | Yay eythian! |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | confetti makes me laugh every time. |
| 02:38 | dcook | Certainly, Zebra doesn't play super nicely with ICU... |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Even though I planned the development so as to be fairly incremental, the fact is even small changes are difficult to make. |
| 02:38 | dcook | I imagine there must be quite a few factors that contribute that as well, eh, jcamins? |
| 02:38 | Being the most highly used module and all | |
| 02:38 | Or at least one of the most highly used | |
| 02:39 | bag | any rewrite is ambitous ^^^ khall_away see that :) |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Yes, with some of the worst code. |
| 02:39 | But honestly what made me give up was not the code. It was the process. | |
| 02:39 | bag | oh yeah search has the worst bloated code |
| 02:39 | maybe more bloated than worse :P | |
| 02:40 | dcook | How do you mean process? |
| 02:40 | mtj | eythian++ |
| 02:43 | jcamins | In order to get a significant development like the search rewrite into 3.12, several dozen worthy features had to be dropped. |
| 02:43 | bag | *sigh* |
| 02:43 | jcamins | And keep in mind, that first patch? That was the simple, low-risk patch! |
| 02:45 | Part of the problem is that there is absolutely no one whose job it is to make sure that Koha continues to progress. | |
| 02:45 | eythian | @later tell gmcharlt can you please put bug 10018 and bug 10061 into master? They're needed for package builds. |
| 02:45 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:46 | bag | jcamins: are we ever going to change that? |
| 02:46 | jcamins | bag: I'm not. |
| 02:46 | And there won't be while Koha isn't part of SPI or some other organization like that. | |
| 02:46 | bag | yup would be nice to have a FTE koha person |
| 02:47 | I think we will one day… someone who works for koha :) | |
| 02:47 | only koha | |
| 02:47 | dcook | But one day will only happen if someone makes it happen |
| 02:47 | bag | I'll make it happen |
| 02:48 | dcook | :) |
| 02:48 | bag | give me another year and then that will be my project :) |
| 02:48 | WE CAN DO IT :) | |
| 02:48 | dcook | Someone who works full time on Koha or to make Koha part of SPI? |
| 02:48 | hehe | |
| 02:48 | * dcook | likes bag's optimism |
| 02:48 | bag | heh |
| 02:48 | that was a heh for dcook not jcamins [off] :P | |
| 02:49 | nothing is impossible | |
| 02:49 | dcook | bag++ |
| 02:50 | wizzyrea | actually the trolls have been rather quiet lately |
| 02:50 | bag | that's true |
| 02:50 | jcamins | wizzyrea: except for any time I send a message to the list, unfortunately. |
| 02:51 | bag | nobody is picking on you jared |
| 02:51 | jcamins | I guess more of the responses that I've been ignoring have been directed to me personally, though, haven't they? |
| 02:51 | bag | it happens to use all |
| 02:51 | jcamins | bag: I don't think they are. |
| 02:51 | bag | good |
| 02:51 | jcamins | What I do think is that those people will prevent us making any forward movement. |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | I am sure you'd be happy to be wrong. |
| 02:52 | jcamins | Very happy. |
| 02:53 | bag | well let's make you happy :) |
| 02:55 | eythian | @later tell tcohen your wish is my command* (finally.) New master packages uploaded. [* single use only, not valid any more] |
| 02:55 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:56 | jcamins | I honestly believe that if we could organize under SPI or the other organization we could probably fix 75% of our organizational problems in a matter of six months. I just think that our organizational problems will prevent that. |
| 02:59 | bag | I attended a quaker college. So I'm used to this sort of organization… I does drive you crazy at times. but I've always liked it |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 02:59 | Is there a bug described in that proprietary file? | |
| 03:00 | eythian | The problem with it is it can make large, sweeping changes very, very difficult. |
| 03:00 | jcamins: file? | |
| 03:00 | wahanui | file is saved in the koha server itself |
| 03:00 | jcamins | eythian: bug 10062. |
| 03:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10062 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Attached item from a deleted record |
| 03:01 | eythian | ah |
| 03:01 | word docs appear to be the standard medium for transferring screenshots, for whatever reason. | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | i die a little inside each time. |
| 03:03 | jcamins | I don't even know how one would go about putting screenshots in a Word document. |
| 03:03 | eythian | wizzyrea has now completed her transformation into a lich, we get so many of them. |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | wizzyrea? |
| 03:03 | wahanui | you are, like, a Cylon, and they all have plans |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | no, I'm a robot. |
| 03:03 | more like a cyberman really | |
| 03:05 | jcamins | "You are incompatibile"? |
| 03:05 | *incompatible | |
| 03:08 | bag | oh wizzyrea I think nengard rants about that all the time |
| 03:08 | I think she has written blog posts about that | |
| 03:08 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:08 | bag | drives her crazy too |
| 03:09 | dcook | Yes, I get those as well |
| 03:09 | The twitching varies from email to email, day to day | |
| 03:09 | * wizzyrea | would never actually tell a librarian that it drives me nuts, because I'm simply thankful that they gave me a screenshot... but I do die a little each time. |
| 03:09 | jcamins | bag: several blog posts, I think. My favorite comment on one of those was the person who posted "Microsoft Word is a great way to share screenshots." |
| 03:09 | bag | heh |
| 03:10 | mtj | sceenshots in word docs is one of my pet peeves, too |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | I use shutter on ubuntu, it's as close to jing as you can get with linux. |
| 03:10 | rangi | just take a screenshot of opening it and send it back |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | all of the screen*shot* capabiility |
| 03:10 | but no screen*cast* capability | |
| 03:11 | rangi | actually make a movie of opening it and send it as an mp4 |
| 03:11 | i see you bloat and raise you 50501 | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | or a .ogg |
| 03:11 | that always goes over well. | |
| 03:13 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 03:14 | dcook | Subtitles could help with troubleshooting... |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea | when I do screencasts |
| 03:15 | often I do them silently | |
| 03:15 | but use an input box on the screen to narrate. | |
| 03:15 | mtj | jcamins, fwiw, i think we have gotten much much better at stopping trolls within the project |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | and in truth, sometimes those people who impede progress, impede us from doing impossibly stupid things like letting a single company take over. |
| 03:16 | rangi | http://blog.timbunce.org/2013/[…]laming-precision/ |
| 03:16 | jcamins | mtj: we have, no doubt. |
| 03:16 | rangi | moar flames |
| 03:17 | jcamins | I have no idea what it means, but that graph looks *awesome*! |
| 03:17 | rangi | hehe |
| 03:17 | http://dtrace.org/blogs/brenda[…]2/mysql-flame.png | |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | preeeeety |
| 03:18 | rangi | thats for a stack trace |
| 03:18 | you can spot the slow things easier | |
| 03:18 | (time across the bottom) | |
| 03:18 | so for perl | |
| 03:18 | https://timbunce.files.wordpre[…]v5-flamegraph.png | |
| 03:19 | i suspect it would make some interesting graphs for koha | |
| 03:20 | eythian | http://favim.com/orig/201108/2[…]im.com-127405.jpg <-- wizzyrea, you should use intertitles. |
| 03:20 | that one in particular | |
| 03:26 | bag | rangi++ #cool info :) |
| 03:34 | * wizzyrea | is going to start putting silent movie music on all screencasts |
| 03:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that will make me much more likely to watch your entire screencasts. |
| 03:35 | Especially if they have werewolf-related intertitles. | |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 03:40 | * jcamins | notices the time, calls it a night. |
| 03:40 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:41 | eythian | later jcamins |
| 03:41 | rangi | cya jcamins |
| 03:42 | bag | should we call this time west coast and far coast? |
| 03:42 | :P | |
| 03:43 | eythian | Both coasts are in the same time zone, so I don't see what it'd change really |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | time zone "yesterday" |
| 03:44 | dcook | G'night, jcamins |
| 03:52 | * dcook | just found the "maxRecordsForFacets" system preference |
| 03:53 | dcook | I assume this is the one that has a cap of 500 records mentioned here: http://www.biblibre.com/en/blo[…]lopments-for-koha |
| 03:53 | Certainly a handy syspref to know about though! | |
| 03:56 | Hmm, quite an old preference... | |
| 03:56 | Also has a default of 20 | |
| 03:56 | 3.03... | |
| 03:56 | * dcook | stops rambling about facets |
| 03:58 | bag | or facts :P |
| 03:58 | hehe | |
| 03:58 | just kidding dcook | |
| 04:07 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:18 | dcook | bag: :p |
| 04:18 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 04:18 | * cait | waves :) |
| 04:19 | bag | heya cait |
| 04:20 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:22 | cait | hi eythian |
| 04:24 | eythian | wahanui: cait is also <reply>go back to bed, cait. |
| 04:24 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 04:24 | dcook | I'm not actually seeing any limit to "maxRecordsForFacets"... |
| 04:25 | bag | should there be a limit? |
| 04:25 | oh yes limit should be number of results | |
| 04:25 | dcook | I suppose that should be the only limit |
| 04:26 | cait | dcook: theproblem is performance |
| 04:26 | dcook | Yeah |
| 04:26 | That's what I was about to say | |
| 04:26 | cait | it looks at all records, it would really slow down things |
| 04:26 | dcook | If you're trying to get facets for thousands of records |
| 04:26 | Hmm | |
| 04:26 | Intriguing | |
| 04:26 | I suppose this set up allows the librarian to make the call | |
| 04:27 | Being exhaustive vs. being quick | |
| 04:28 | 20 seems like a rather low default though | |
| 04:28 | *shrug* | |
| 04:28 | cait | yeah |
| 04:28 | we use higher - but not sure how high | |
| 04:28 | bag | ah 20 is fast :) |
| 04:28 | cait | depends abit on collection size |
| 04:29 | dcook | 20 is heaps fast hehe |
| 04:29 | cait | it used to be hardcoded 20 before the sys pref was done |
| 04:29 | dcook | Ahh |
| 04:29 | It still has a hardcoded default if the system preference isn't set | |
| 04:30 | ++ to whoever put in that syspref | |
| 04:30 | cait | iirc fredericd |
| 04:30 | but I might be mistaken :) | |
| 04:46 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 04:46 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:48 | dcook | @wunder Sydney, Australia |
| 04:48 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:48 | dcook | Hmm, looks warmer outside |
| 04:49 | bag | night all |
| 04:49 | wahanui | goodnight bag. You'll be back. |
| 04:49 | bag | :) |
| 04:49 | dcook | bonne nuit, bag |
| 04:49 | Hope it was a decent monday | |
| 05:42 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 05:42 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9°C (7:40 AM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:43 | dcook | Wow... |
| 05:43 | That's quite a bit warmer than it has been, isn't it? | |
| 05:43 | cait | yep |
| 05:43 | we had 24 yesterday | |
| 05:43 | but looks like it rained a bit tonight | |
| 05:48 | dcook | Wow! |
| 05:48 | Yay spring! | |
| 05:48 | I'm off though! | |
| 05:48 | Be back in a bit! | |
| 05:49 | cait | yep - about time! |
| 05:51 | for spring and for going home :) | |
| 05:55 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 06:04 | martian742 joined #koha | |
| 06:05 | martian742 | hello there a prospective Koha user from the Czech Republic checking in.. |
| 06:05 | rangi | hi martian742 |
| 06:05 | cait | hi martian742 |
| 06:05 | * cait | waves from Germany |
| 06:06 | rangi | developer from NZ about to leave to feed his kids |
| 06:06 | martian742 | rangi: well that is sure more important :) |
| 06:07 | I have a specific Q though: is it easy to stay on the TRUNK version of Koha while continuously pushing in the Czech translation I would be working on? | |
| 06:07 | can I stay in sync like that? | |
| 06:08 | cait | of course :) |
| 06:08 | translations are done with po files | |
| 06:08 | you don#t have to change anything in koha for htat | |
| 06:08 | have you taken a look at translate.koha-community.org ? | |
| 06:09 | martian742 | and would you say that Koha is up to date with the current (or rather long-standing) rules and practices used in the European libraries? |
| 06:09 | cait | hm it certainly always depends on the libraries |
| 06:09 | martian742 | cait: I have, the Czech trans. is virtually non-existent |
| 06:09 | cait | it#s widely used in France now |
| 06:09 | and we currently support 11 libraries in Germany | |
| 06:09 | martian742 | cait: bummer for PMB |
| 06:09 | cait | I think PMB is also used |
| 06:10 | but some universities are using koha now | |
| 06:10 | what kind of library is yours? | |
| 06:10 | martian742 | (PHP My Bibli) which I have been using until now, and the community doesn't feel good to me |
| 06:11 | cait: my case is a small elementary school's lib. of about 4000 books | |
| 06:11 | rangi | its certainly much more feature rich than PMB (its a few years older too) |
| 06:11 | koha will scale down to that small :) | |
| 06:11 | martian742 | rangi: installation error: you need to have more than 10k books in your library :D |
| 06:11 | cait | martian742: koha's community is very alive - as you will see when you stick around a bit longer |
| 06:11 | martian742 | rangi: just kidding |
| 06:12 | rangi | martian742: that would be an oracle trick :) |
| 06:13 | martian742 | cait: well, that's what I'm hoping for, as I'm also an English language-junkie AND have failed to learn French (a PMB community pseudo-req. indeed) |
| 06:13 | cait | we talk lots about food and cookies |
| 06:13 | if you are fine with that too you are at the right place ;) | |
| 06:13 | martian742 | cait: need more cookies as well |
| 06:14 | :D | |
| 06:14 | cait | who doesn't? :) |
| 06:14 | so let's see for czech translations | |
| 06:14 | martian742 | cait: I have seen |
| 06:14 | cait | ah ok |
| 06:14 | martian742 | doesn't exist |
| 06:14 | cait | I guess starting with the opac would be good |
| 06:14 | martian742 | cait: no, need to start with the core |
| 06:14 | cait | ah, but that's quite huge |
| 06:14 | as koha has lots of features | |
| 06:14 | hm | |
| 06:14 | I see that the files are missing | |
| 06:15 | martian742 | my lib. relies on the clerk interface first and foremost |
| 06:15 | cait | I suggest dropping a mail to translatekoha-community.org - mailing lists are here: mailing lists? |
| 06:15 | oh come on wahanui | |
| 06:15 | mailing lists? | |
| 06:15 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 06:15 | * magnuse | waves from norway |
| 06:16 | cait | and ask for the files for 3.10 and 3.12 to be added |
| 06:16 | i think they might not be active somehow in the translation scripts - I could tell you how to gneerate them, but it shoudl be fixed to keep them updates | |
| 06:17 | hope that makes sense | |
| 06:17 | morning magnuse :) | |
| 06:18 | martian742 | cait: it seems that all the Terminology phrases have already been translated ( http://translate.koha-community.org/cs/ ) |
| 06:18 | cait: what would you judge from that? | |
| 06:18 | cait | @later tell druthb could you check Czech translation on pootle? martian742 might be interested in doing some translation - but 3.10 and 3.12 files are missing :) |
| 06:18 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:19 | cait | no guarantee she sees it, so mailing list would still be good |
| 06:19 | I think the termininology things come with pootle | |
| 06:19 | when you take a look at the 3.8 files | |
| 06:19 | you can see there are 3 (now we have 4) | |
| 06:19 | one for prefs (that's only administration, so no need to start with that) | |
| 06:19 | one for opac | |
| 06:19 | and one for intranet | |
| 06:20 | the intranet is huge, partly because it includes all the error messages and the context help | |
| 06:20 | martian742 | cait: awww, right |
| 06:20 | cait | once the files are up you could also use a local tool for translating, like poedit |
| 06:20 | martian742 | cait: have been there with PMB, consistency becomes a real issue with that big amount of texts |
| 06:20 | cait | it might be worth using something that lets you limit to certain templates to get the most important done in the beginning |
| 06:21 | you can search for templates on pootle too, but if you are the only translator working on something at the time (which it would look like here) sometimes a local editor is faster | |
| 06:21 | and for the rest... installing koha is best done using the packages | |
| 06:21 | packages? | |
| 06:21 | wahanui | well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:21 | cait | and now i stop spamming you with links :) |
| 06:22 | martian742 | cait: what I did with PMB was injecting tell-tale code into the PHP, it would display in red, what ID - in the interface itself |
| 06:22 | cait: don't bother stopping :) | |
| 06:23 | cait | I think we have it mostly covered :) |
| 06:24 | any questions? ;) | |
| 06:24 | martian742 | cait: packages (?) .. avoiding the bot? :) would you recommend against installing the TRUNK version in my case? |
| 06:24 | cait | not sure what you mean by trunk version :) |
| 06:24 | martian742 | well what I find in your version control thingy |
| 06:24 | cait | ah by git |
| 06:25 | martian742 | the dev edge |
| 06:25 | cait | if you want to do dev that's the way to go |
| 06:25 | for translations you could use the beta2 packages or a current 3.10 release | |
| 06:25 | 3.12 will be released on may 22nd - so we are currently working up to that | |
| 06:25 | martian742 | cait: not exactly, but I want my translations to be long lived |
| 06:26 | ee long living | |
| 06:26 | cait | that's hard with Koha as we keep adding stuff all the time :) |
| 06:26 | but maybe you should start with 3.12 then | |
| 06:26 | we update translations, so we try not to cause more work then necessary | |
| 06:26 | martian742 | cait: yeah, but at least that implies adding translations over time? not reviewing them so much? |
| 06:26 | cait | meaning you don't have to start over each version |
| 06:26 | martian742 | cait: right |
| 06:27 | there are FOSS projects that do, I think :( | |
| 06:27 | cait | but there is always quite a bit to do with updated help and new featues and srings going fuzzy from changes in the templates |
| 06:27 | martian742 | cait: pour me another beer, I'll deal with fuzzy :) |
| 06:28 | cait | Koha also does bug fix releases every month |
| 06:28 | every 6 month a big release, every month a bug fix release | |
| 06:28 | martian742 | cait: or do it from my local hackerspace, great environment to brag about such issues :D |
| 06:29 | http://base48.cz | |
| 06:29 | cait | nice! |
| 06:31 | martian742 | cait: so do I inject .po files into the local install, does it boil down to that when wanting to edit it locally in the first approach? |
| 06:32 | cait | hm maybe take a loo here to see how it works: |
| 06:32 | additional languages? | |
| 06:33 | add additional languages? | |
| 06:33 | I thought I taught him | |
| 06:33 | installing additonal languages? | |
| 06:33 | martian742 | cait: bad doggie |
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| 06:33 | cait | installing additional languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 06:33 | add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client | |
| 06:33 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:33 | cait | wahanui add languages? |
| 06:33 | wahanui | add languages is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 06:33 | cait | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 06:33 | wahanui | :) |
| 06:38 | martian742 | cait: thanks a lot |
| 06:38 | cait: still, if I may, this is something FOSS people want to know how to do properly: | |
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| 06:40 | martian742 | could you advocate for Koha, compare it to other FOSS ILSs.. |
| 06:40 | cait | you just have to hurry a bit with your question - as i have to go to work in 5 :) |
| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | martian742 | why should I not invest my time in Evergreen for example |
| 06:40 | cait | hm not sure I understand your question, can you explain? |
| 06:40 | oh | |
| 06:40 | evergreen people hang around here too - so maybe better ask them | |
| 06:40 | I think installation is a bit more difficult | |
| 06:40 | martian742 | they already have a good bit translated into Czech |
| 06:40 | cait | which was one of the main reasons I ended up with koha :) |
| 06:41 | martian742 | cait: that's what figure, after trying it |
| 06:41 | cait | I have never used Evergreen - so I really don't want to say something wrong |
| 06:41 | magnuse | there is a nice comparison thingy for koha and evergreen |
| 06:41 | cait | maybe take a look at your demo and theirs? |
| 06:41 | martian742 | cait: and since the people hang around here, I better ask them ;-) |
| 06:41 | cait | compare what looks better for you? |
| 06:42 | magnuse | i can never remember where, though... |
| 06:42 | martian742 | cait: yup! |
| 06:42 | cait | as it's US try a bit later of course :) |
| 06:42 | they have their own chat too - which might be the more direct way :) | |
| 06:42 | martian742 | cait: NZ there? |
| 06:42 | cait | NZ has gone to feed the kids :P |
| 06:42 | well, one of them | |
| 06:42 | wahanui | one of them is, like, bound to have a good idea ;) |
| 06:42 | cait | 10 hours now from here, so early evening there now |
| 06:43 | evergreen is mostly american i think | |
| 06:43 | martian742 | cait: right |
| 06:43 | haven't been in an overseas relationship for a bit now, don't have the hang of it anymore :) | |
| 06:44 | cait: my hackerspace channel is currently talking about whipped cream | |
| 06:44 | cait | koha is very international, perhaps a bitmore than evergreen is right now |
| 06:44 | martian742 | see? cookies are important everywhere |
| 06:44 | magnuse | martian742: http://features.galecia.com/ might be of interest |
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| 06:45 | cait | martian742: have to run - but luckily my day time job is also koha - so will be back with my second identity later |
| 06:45 | martian742 | cait: sweet |
| 06:46 | cait: thanks for all the fish | |
| 06:46 | magnuse | ah "The features are updated through Koha version 3.8 and Evergreen version 2.2" - there has been a lot of development since 3.8 |
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| 06:46 | magnuse | cait++ for being helpful |
| 06:46 | martian742 | magnuse: also, the site looks a bit empty |
| 06:46 | like it's not loaded with data | |
| 06:47 | magnuse | there's stuff under the "Browse" tab |
| 06:47 | but it also says "prototype version 20120410-a " | |
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| 06:47 | martian742 | magnuse: right, + paranoid me had to enable JavaScript in my bro'ser |
| 06:48 | magnuse | ah :-) |
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| 06:52 | martian742 | magnuse: would you say that librarians generally hang around here? I'm not, I have holes in the best practices including cataloguing |
| 06:55 | magnuse | martian742: there are some librarians, but not a lot |
| 06:56 | if you want to talk to librarians, the main mailing list is probably a better bet | |
| 06:57 | i was trained as a librarian, in fact, but i never did any serious cataloguing... | |
| 06:57 | martian742 | magnuse: since they don't spend much time on the IRC, unlike other computer nerds :) |
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| 06:57 | martian742 | sure, will do |
| 06:57 | magnuse | hehe |
| 06:58 | martian742 | where I live, the librarian nerds are qutie progressive though |
| 06:58 | magnuse | yay for progressive librarian nerds! :-) |
| 06:58 | martian742 | should motivate them into FOSS ILS |
| 06:58 | magnuse | you should! |
| 06:59 | the more the merrier | |
| 06:59 | martian742 | they even did a naked charity calendar, shot entirely in a library |
| 06:59 | magnuse | hehe, now that is progressive ;-) |
| 06:59 | martian742 | yep |
| 07:02 | mtj | naked_librarians++ |
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| 07:27 | * dcook | waves to the BibLibre folk |
| 07:31 | martian742 | interestingly, there are also 58 people on the Evergreen IRC chan :) |
| 07:35 | dcook | That is rather odd |
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| 07:36 | dcook | allo gaetan_B |
| 07:36 | gaetan_B | allo dcook :) |
| 07:37 | dcook | How goes the day in France? |
| 07:37 | gaetan_B | dcook: well, i'm in Irak right now ;) |
| 07:38 | in Kurdistan to be more precise | |
| 07:38 | what about you :p ? | |
| 07:38 | dcook | A bit less exciting. I'm still/back in Australia |
| 07:38 | But a good day all in all :) | |
| 07:40 | What takes you to Irak/Kurdistan? | |
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| 07:42 | dcook | wb kf |
| 07:44 | kf | thx dcook |
| 07:44 | and good morning #koha again | |
| 07:44 | gaetan_B | dcook: a project with a university here :) |
| 07:45 | hallo kf :) | |
| 07:45 | kf | hi gaetan_B |
| 07:45 | :) | |
| 07:45 | are we on the big screen again? | |
| 07:46 | gaetan_B | kf: not now :) |
| 07:46 | kf | but more training today? :) |
| 07:46 | magnuse | koha can take you to some interesting places... |
| 07:47 | gaetan_B | kf: this week i am not really giving a training, it only setting up stuff, and understanding how they work so that we can come up with a reasonable set-up |
| 07:47 | theey are quite demanding and ambitious i must say ! | |
| 07:47 | but i'm trying to make it as simple and fool proof as possible | |
| 07:47 | i don't them to get confused with all the possible MARC21 fields | |
| 07:47 | kf | sounds like a typical library :) |
| 07:48 | gaetan_B | :D |
| 07:48 | it's not so typical i can tell you ;) | |
| 07:48 | by the way | |
| 07:48 | how does the default display for results and detailed records work in marc21 ? | |
| 07:48 | are the name of the fields taken from the frameworks or are they in the templates ? | |
| 07:49 | and if so is there a way i can get the list of fields that display somewhere ? | |
| 07:49 | or should i fill a record with all the possible fields and see ? | |
| 07:49 | kf | gaetan_B: do you mean tehe default setting for the xslt prefs? |
| 07:49 | gaetan_B | kf: i mean not using the xslt at all |
| 07:49 | kf | or the normal display (leave empty) in the prefs |
| 07:49 | ah | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | gaetan_B: look at the xslt for lists and details, perhaps? |
| 07:49 | kf | we are only using the xslt |
| 07:49 | I would almost recommend using it | |
| 07:50 | well... I think I do recommend it | |
| 07:50 | * magnuse | recommends it too |
| 07:50 | gaetan_B | using the xslt means getting involved into some really murky translation to kurdish and arabic for different xslts, which i want to avoid at all costs |
| 07:50 | kf | um no |
| 07:50 | I don't think so | |
| 07:50 | the fields are in the po file so or so | |
| 07:50 | dcook | Hey gaetan_B, I might have some answers |
| 07:50 | We don't use xslt over here | |
| 07:50 | kf | they get translated with the po file, only if you have custom stylesheets you have to |
| 07:51 | gaetan_B | i would never use anything else than xslt for a french library |
| 07:51 | but if i get into this here, i know it's going to get *really* complicated | |
| 07:51 | dcook: i'm interested :) | |
| 07:51 | kf | gaetan_B: hm not sure I understand the problem |
| 07:51 | gaetan_B: maybe you are always using a custom stylesheet with french? | |
| 07:51 | gaetan_B | kf the default xslt get translated as well ? |
| 07:51 | kf | yep |
| 07:51 | gaetan_B | i'll give it a try then :) |
| 07:51 | that's pretty good news | |
| 07:52 | kf | they will more or less accidentally translate it |
| 07:52 | dcook | For a non-XSLT display, the display is hardcoded into the templates. They're not related to the frameworks. |
| 07:52 | kf | I would give it a try |
| 07:52 | gaetan_B | kf: we always use custom stylesheets indeed |
| 07:52 | dcook | Well, the non-XSLT, "Normal" display |
| 07:52 | kf | it's pat of the opac po file |
| 07:52 | dcook | The frameworks will change what appears in the "MARC" display |
| 07:52 | kf | yep what dcook says :) |
| 07:52 | I guess that's the same for both displays - labels are hardcoded | |
| 07:52 | but xslt shows a lot more and is better maintained | |
| 07:52 | dcook | But XSLT are far easier to change |
| 07:52 | Yep | |
| 07:53 | If I had the option, I'd use XSLT for sure | |
| 07:53 | gaetan_B | dcook: ok good, this is all very reassuring :) |
| 07:53 | dcook | Difficult for librarians to maintain, but easier for developers |
| 07:53 | gaetan_B | the translation project is going to be quite action packed i think |
| 07:53 | dcook | (Unless those librarians understand XML and XSL) |
| 07:53 | What sort of language and script are used there? | |
| 07:54 | gaetan_B | typing bi directionnal text (which we will not be able to avoid in the translation) is maybe the most confusing thing i have experienced |
| 07:54 | * dcook | has never met anyone from Iraq |
| 07:54 | gaetan_B | dcook: in the south it's an arabic dialect |
| 07:54 | but here it's kurdish | |
| 07:54 | which is an indo-germanic language | |
| 07:54 | somewhat related to russian too it seems | |
| 07:54 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 07:54 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 07:54 | gaetan_B | but it is written with a variant of the arabic scritp |
| 07:55 | dcook | Yes, wahanui. |
| 07:55 | wahanui | dcook: huh? |
| 07:55 | gaetan_B | so right to left |
| 07:55 | dcook | Mmm, ok |
| 07:55 | I think Karam Qubsi has recently submitted some patches in relation to bi directional text | |
| 07:55 | * dcook | thinks that kf commented on those as well |
| 07:55 | gaetan_B | dcook: yes, i have seen this and i was very happy about it, they came in right in time for :) |
| 07:56 | the project | |
| 07:56 | wahanui | hmmm... the project is the better for it. |
| 07:56 | gaetan_B | :D |
| 07:56 | dcook | What they said :p |
| 07:56 | So they're doing the whole translation for kurdish? | |
| 07:57 | kf | :) |
| 07:57 | he has another patch waiting for the ccsr opac - if someone wanted to give that a whirl ;) | |
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| 07:59 | dcook | bonjour paul_p |
| 08:00 | kf: Hmm, I'm never sure how to go about properly testing patches for bidi or UNIMARC, since I never use either | |
| 08:01 | kf | dcook: I think in that case do a regression test :) |
| 08:01 | make sure it doesn't break the english ccsr opac/normal opac | |
| 08:02 | dcook | Glancing at the code, it looks good ;) |
| 08:02 | I just wonder if there's a typo in the css somewhere | |
| 08:03 | kf | another way to test is install arabic |
| 08:03 | and browse the opac a bit | |
| 08:03 | maybe check the css with a validator | |
| 08:03 | gaetan_B | i have to disconnect, see you later |
| 08:03 | kf | bye gaetan_B |
| 08:04 | dcook | ta gaetan_B |
| 08:04 | Hmm, true enough | |
| 08:05 | kf | martian742: talking to evergreen people now? :) |
| 08:16 | dcook | Huh... |
| 08:17 | Looks like you can renew books for a restricted patron in 3.8 | |
| 08:18 | kf | there might be a pref about that, but not sure |
| 08:19 | dcook | Hmm, I'll take a look |
| 08:19 | Happens on master too in any case | |
| 08:19 | * dcook | really needs to use his dev system more often.. |
| 08:19 | dcook | I love using master... |
| 08:20 | kf | might be worht filing a bug if it's not a pref |
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| 08:20 | dcook | Hmm, don't see a pref for "restrict" or "debar" |
| 08:20 | kf | hm look for renew |
| 08:21 | dcook | Nothing |
| 08:21 | kf | ok |
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| 08:22 | kf | 8236 |
| 08:22 | bug 8236 | |
| 08:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Signed Off , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction |
| 08:22 | dcook | Nice, kf! |
| 08:22 | wb gaetan_B | |
| 08:23 | gaetan_B | dcook: leaving agin ;) |
| 08:24 | dcook | I'll be more frugal with my wbs next time ;) |
| 08:24 | kf | dcook: looks like it's about staff not opac maybe |
| 08:24 | hm might still be worth taking a look | |
| 08:24 | dcook | Hmm, that's a good point too |
| 08:24 | kf | I would think a restricted patron shoudl not be able to do anything in opac |
| 08:24 | dcook | I haven't checked |
| 08:24 | kf | but not sure all libraries would agree |
| 08:24 | dcook | This issue came to me from the staff client |
| 08:25 | kf | but that's the point of blocking an account? for example in cases of lost cards? |
| 08:25 | dcook | I looked at the restricted patron interface a while ago, but I'll look again |
| 08:25 | I think the self-reg has an option to have them restricted as well | |
| 08:25 | To prevent abuse | |
| 08:27 | Hmm, instead of reading the history, I'll just read the latest patch..heh | |
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| 08:34 | dcook | Blah... |
| 08:35 | Yay for splinter review... | |
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| 08:41 | dcook | Thanks again for pointing this bug out, kf |
| 08:42 | magnuse | kf is pretty awesome for remembering bugs |
| 08:43 | * kf | has a weird brain |
| 08:43 | magnuse | dcook: i was remninded of Bug 6739 too |
| 08:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6739 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , expired patrons not blocked from opac actions |
| 08:43 | kf | ah yes |
| 08:44 | magnuse | good weird, then |
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| 08:47 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 08:47 | Would it be bad form if I "fail QAed" a patch that was already signed off? | |
| 08:48 | kf | no if there is a bug |
| 08:48 | just write a nice note | |
| 08:48 | and explain why you think it can't go in like it is | |
| 08:50 | dcook | Sounds good |
| 08:50 | :) | |
| 08:51 | Man..."IsMemberBlocked" is so not documented correctly... | |
| 08:52 | kf | probably old code |
| 08:52 | and also restriction proces changed.. | |
| 08:54 | dcook | The code is good. Just the documentation is wrong :) |
| 08:55 | Time to report a bug.. | |
| 08:55 | And maybe do it tomorrow.. | |
| 08:55 | This is the latest I've been at work in ages | |
| 08:58 | Quick question...what is "ILSDI/Services.pm"? | |
| 08:59 | magnuse | dcook: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]298acdc5c;hb=HEAD |
| 08:59 | i presume... | |
| 08:59 | dcook | Yeah, I just started reading through it, but I'm not sure I get it |
| 09:00 | Looks like a digital library thing perhaps... | |
| 09:00 | http://www.diglib.org/community/groups/ils-di/ | |
| 09:01 | Mmm | |
| 09:01 | For interacting with discovery layers like VuFind | |
| 09:01 | Neato. I was wondering how patrons could place holds in Koha through VuFind | |
| 09:01 | magnuse | it's a protocol/webservice thing for listing current loans, renewing etc |
| 09:02 | the implementation in koha is self documenting, e.g.: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/koha/ilsdi.pl | |
| 09:06 | dcook | Thanks, magnuse |
| 09:06 | This is really neat | |
| 09:06 | We've been talking a bit about discovery layers recently, and this provides the missing piece that I wasn't sure how to solve theoretically | |
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| 09:07 | magnuse | yay! |
| 09:07 | and hiya tajoli | |
| 09:08 | tajoli | and hi to all |
| 09:11 | dcook | hey ya tajoli |
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| 09:21 | kf | hi tajoli |
| 09:53 | dcook | All right. About time for this goose to head home |
| 09:54 | later magnuse, kf, all :) | |
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| 11:04 | magnus | heh "Guide on the Side is an open-source application and, obviously, you have full permission to change it however you want. But you shouldn't." |
| 11:04 | good advice :-) | |
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| 11:07 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 12:13 | kf1 | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:13 | huginn | kf1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:14 | tcohen | hi kf1 |
| 12:14 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 12:14 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (9:00 AM ART on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:15 | kf | :) |
| 12:15 | oh warmer than in argentina! | |
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| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:17 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:17 | @wunder Athens, OH | |
| 12:17 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 16.1°C (7:51 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:17 | kf | was that right? |
| 12:18 | oleonard | Yes :) |
| 12:19 | Very nice spring day today | |
| 12:29 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:29 | ;) | |
| 12:29 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 19.3°C (2:25 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
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| 12:34 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 12:34 | huginn | nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 13.3°C (8:33 AM EDT on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:38 | tcohen | eythian++ |
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| 12:47 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:47 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:20 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:47 | magnuse | not bad! |
| 12:48 | wow, norway is going bieber-crazy | |
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| 12:54 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 12:54 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 18.1°C (2:43 PM CEST on April 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
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| 13:04 | oleonard | kf: Did you create a bug for updating the invoice page template? |
| 13:04 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:04 | kf | oleonard: sorry no - I only noticed when I started working on the terms clean up |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Okay I'll file one. I'm working on that now. |
| 13:05 | kf | oleonard: nice! |
| 13:05 | oleonard: maybe put it on top of the string changes? not sure if that would work | |
| 13:06 | oleonard | I think that would work |
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| 13:07 | Nicole C. Engard: add OPACPopupAuthorsSearch | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | I had started to work on a patch for that page several months ago and got distracted by something... |
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| 13:22 | magnuse | distractions-- |
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| 13:22 | Nicole C. Engard: add OPACPopupAuthorsSearch description | |
| 13:23 | oleonard | kf: Can I ask you an acquisitions workflow question? |
| 13:24 | (or anyone else who has opinions on acquisitions workflows) | |
| 13:24 | kf | in a minute |
| 13:42 | here now :) | |
| 13:44 | oleonard: ? | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | On the invoice view/edit page (/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/invoice.pl?invoiceid=1) there is a link "Go to receipt page" |
| 13:45 | kf | hm yes, maybe we should rename that |
| 13:45 | oleonard | That link is awkwardly-placed, and I'm curious where it fits into the workflow |
| 13:45 | kf | it's a good question |
| 13:46 | I think probably because you could only do/undo some actions from the parcels/shipment/need a good name for it page | |
| 13:46 | and not from the invoice page that seems more to be like a summary/view | |
| 13:46 | what I have wondered is about closing invoices and which consequences it has | |
| 13:46 | it seems acq is getting more and more complicated and I wonder which steps can be missed/not done | |
| 13:47 | but I haven't had time to take a really good look at it | |
| 13:47 | like seeing how closed/unclosed invoices show up in other places | |
| 13:47 | oleonard | I'll leave it for another patch since there isn't an obvious answer to what to do with it. |
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| 13:48 | drojf | university_wifi-- |
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| 13:54 | kf | oleonard: sounds like a good idea |
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| 14:45 | tcohen | bug 9735 could help debugging some translation problmes |
| 14:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
| 14:48 | drojf | i tried to test a patch i made. installation goes fine but when i try to create a staff user, it does not work. i get »This patron does not exist.«. Is that a sign that i missed something when installing? |
| 14:49 | nengard | kf or other qa person - bug 9850 needs qa and to make it in to 3.12 |
| 14:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9850 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update |
| 14:49 | nengard | it's all just text patches now |
| 14:50 | kf | nengard: it won't go faster because you ask every day |
| 14:50 | nengard | it might |
| 14:50 | if you all want to shut me up | |
| 14:50 | :) | |
| 14:50 | kf | don't think so :) |
| 14:50 | nengard | k - off to a webinar |
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| 14:52 | drojf | hm. it worked after choosing a library. i don't think i had to do this before. |
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| 15:00 | tcohen | jcamins, you mentioned (yesterday) a bug related to UTF8 doble encoding? |
| 15:00 | jcamins | Bug 6554. |
| 15:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 15:01 | jcamins | I have to consult with gmcharlt about how to go about pushing the follow-up that was placed on the same bug. |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | jcamins: hmm? |
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| 15:03 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I don't want to make it impossible for you to revert 6554, should that become necessary, but if I push a follow-up to the bug_6554 branch, reverting will get more complicated. |
| 15:04 | Though you may have more experience with reverting and therefore not end up with a screwed up branch every time you try to revert more than one merge on a given branch. | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yeah, I can't say I'm too concerned; if nothing else, I can always default to reverting the commits individually |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Okay. Next time I'm pushing I'll take a look at that one. |
| 15:05 | Unless you beat me to it. | |
| 15:12 | magnuse | tcohen: yeah, something changed, so at least when you ad users as the db user, you have a blank option at the top of the libraries dropdown |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | jcamins: 10061 is a candidate for 3.12, 10018 is not |
| 15:18 | tcohen | are u confusing me with drojf, magnuse? |
| 15:18 | jcamins | bug 10061 |
| 15:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Passed QA , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages |
| 15:18 | jcamins | bug 10018 |
| 15:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Building version update for master/3.13 |
| 15:18 | jcamins | gmcharlt: right. |
| 15:19 | magnuse | tcohen: yeah i am, sorry about that... |
| 15:19 | tcohen | np |
| 15:19 | drojf | thanks magnuse. would have saved me an hour to ask earlier. because i just installed again ^^ |
| 15:19 | and tried the next time :D | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | I'm cherry-picking and not merging so I should notice things like that. |
| 15:21 | Side note: surely they mean 256MB of RAM, not 256k/RAM. | |
| 15:21 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote branch 'origin/new/bug_10018_10061_deb_pkg_fixes' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6187c8b357a13763e> / Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]65f868f4614f2063d> / Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]web/?p=koha.git;a |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | cool -- and in the bugs, I'll leave comments if I think something is a candidate for 3.12.x |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Thanks. |
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| 15:25 | tcohen | hmm, internet says utf8::decode shouldn't be used, Encode::decode instead |
| 15:29 | drojf | if i don't want to link records, can i just skip 001 or do i need it for something else? (if there is no union catalogue or other kind of record sharing) |
| 15:31 | jcamins | You can skip 001. |
| 15:31 | Most do. | |
| 15:31 | drojf | yay! |
| 15:31 | thanks jcamins | |
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| 15:43 | tcohen | jcamins, i've learnt that utf8 and UTF-8 mean different things in Perl |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I did not know that, actually. |
| 15:44 | tcohen | and thus, utf8::decode and Encode::decode('UTF-8',XX) are not expected to work the same |
| 15:44 | i'm just reading about it | |
| 15:45 | it seems that UTF-8 means "the strict, safe implementation of the standard" | |
| 15:45 | and utf8 a loose implementation prior to the standarization | |
| 15:45 | I'm not sure the implications in Koha | |
| 15:46 | but sounds like some UTF-8 errors will not be catched by utf8 | |
| 15:46 | i'll try fixing every call and see the results | |
| 15:46 | maybe some arab records could help | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | I suspect probably we have to use utf8 due to the poor quality of the UTF-8 encoding used by most MARC records. |
| 15:49 | tcohen | unfortunately, yes |
| 15:49 | that, and mysql's utf8 collation being case insensitive are two big sources of problems for Koha I guess | |
| 15:50 | i have a possitive feeling about the utf8 vs. UTF-8 issue | |
| 15:51 | I feel most of the charset related problems we've seen | |
| 15:51 | will be catched by our code in a better way | |
| 15:52 | (I mean, the problems have been around anyway, with Koha breaking because of them) | |
| 15:57 | * tcohen | is scared |
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| 16:24 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 16:25 | one question: i'm having the following problem when editing MARC21 authorities in koha 3.10.3: ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' | |
| 16:25 | what's wrong? | |
| 16:25 | wahanui | I only know what you teach me. |
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| 16:31 | vfernandes | any one had this problem? |
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| 16:32 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 10018 - version update for 3.13 | |
| 16:32 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 10061 - Fix tinymce path references broken by bug 9172 | |
| 16:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10018 major, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Building version update for master/3.13 |
| 16:32 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10061 critical, P2, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Fix the tiny_mce error when building packages | |
| 16:32 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory | |
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| 16:51 | vfernandes | ZOOM error 114 "Unsupported Use attribute" (addinfo: "Koha-Auth-Number") from diag-set 'Bib-1' |
| 16:51 | using MARC21 authorities with DOM | |
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| 18:00 | * druthb | waves to nengard |
| 18:00 | nengard | hiya |
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| 18:05 | martian523 | hi i'm using KOHA 3.10 and i'm wondering if koha field "stocknumber" can be displayed when doing batch item modification in the edit item section |
| 18:10 | oleonard | What subfield is that martian523? |
| 18:11 | martian523 | 952 i |
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| 18:13 | oleonard | martian523: Looks like that subfield is explicitly excluded by the script. Presumably because it would be considered fairly unusual to modify multiple records with the same value there. |
| 18:18 | martian523: Does that make sense? | |
| 18:22 | tcohen | jcamins, I filled a bug on the UTF-8 thing |
| 18:23 | jcamins | I saw, thanks. |
| 18:23 | tcohen | i've been working on a patch for it |
| 18:23 | its pretty simple | |
| 18:23 | but have concerns on error checking | |
| 18:23 | (we have too little of it) | |
| 18:24 | and Encode expects eval blocks for evaluating the conversion | |
| 18:24 | so everything gets boureaucratic | |
| 18:25 | anyway, gotta leave now, bye #koha | |
| 18:26 | jcamins | eval blocks are fine if you catch the error. |
| 18:26 | Otherwise they're dreadful. | |
| 18:44 | melia | how can I tell if a patch that has been pushed to master is also going to get into 3.10.x stable? specifically, I'm wondering about bug 9902 |
| 18:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating |
| 18:45 | melia | should I expect to see that pushed to stable 3.10.x at some point in the future, or is a new patch needed for that to happen? |
| 18:45 | oleonard | Ask the release maintainer I suppose melia? |
| 18:46 | melia: You could make sure it applies to 3.10.x | |
| 18:46 | melia | they're still sleeping in NZ now, aren't they? I am always asking questions while they're still sleeping! |
| 18:46 | jcamins | They should be waking up soon. |
| 18:46 | oleonard | This is usually when rangi appears though not quite work time for him I think |
| 18:47 | melia | ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) |
| 18:51 | oleonard | Trying a Bootstrap OPAC: http://www.screencast.com/t/OxYWcM08b7Z |
| 18:53 | I'm curious about the placement of the Cart and Lists buttons in the fixed header. I wonder if people find them there in the CCSR theme | |
| 18:55 | jcamins | oleonard: yay! |
| 18:56 | And I'm not sure... I feel like when there's a fixed toolbar I expect everything to be in that toolbar, not just some of the stuff. | |
| 18:58 | * cait | waves |
| 19:00 | * jcamins | waves back |
| 19:09 | * druthb | waves with both hands. |
| 19:09 | druthb | \o/ |
| 19:25 | cait | :) |
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| 19:31 | nengard | question - SvcMaxReportRows - what is the reports web service? |
| 19:31 | is it public reports? | |
| 19:31 | or something else? | |
| 19:31 | for the manual | |
| 19:33 | jcamins | Yeah, basically public reports. |
| 19:41 | oleonard | Here's a version with more CCSR styling and the Koha logo in the navbar: http://www.screencast.com/t/Bvn2O6BsKW2n |
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| 19:41 | cait | :) |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | oleonard++ |
| 19:43 | cait | i like it |
| 19:43 | maybe we coul dhave a less grey version too? :) | |
| 19:43 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 19:44 | oleonard | I'm open to suggestions. Right now the only preferences I've heard is that people like the style of CCSR |
| 19:45 | cait | i tihnk people like the mobile part of it |
| 19:45 | I mean that's the main argument | |
| 19:45 | oleonard: is there a chance we could replace the yui grid in the opac in a new template? | |
| 19:46 | oleonard | That's what this version does |
| 19:46 | Bootstrap grid including responsive layout | |
| 19:46 | cait | oh nice! |
| 19:46 | sorry, I think I missed that earlier | |
| 19:46 | today is a weird day | |
| 19:47 | oleonard | No you didn't miss that. I didn't say. |
| 19:48 | cait | well it's really cool :) oleonard++ |
| 19:49 | jcamins | I tend to favor a rather austere color scheme (for instance http://www.screencast.com/t/2MkdJr0gwcg http://www.screencast.com/t/CElTlp3dCFJ ) but my reason for liking CCSR was that it worked well on my phone. |
| 19:50 | oleonard | We had austere in the staff client for a long time jcamins and then the masses revolted :P |
| 19:50 | bgkriegel | austere? no color at all :-) |
| 19:51 | * cait | didn't |
| 19:51 | cait | but I think the masses really like the color |
| 19:52 | getting positive feedback from others about the change | |
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| 19:52 | Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows | |
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| 19:52 | Nicole C. Engard: add SvcMaxReportRows | |
| 19:52 | jcamins | bgkriegel: isn't that what I said? :P |
| 19:53 | bgkriegel | yes of course :-) |
| 19:53 | jcamins | I'm thinking of maybe adding some color. |
| 19:54 | Eventually. | |
| 19:54 | oleonard | Maybe just one. |
| 19:54 | rambutan | Has anybody ever hooked one of the book dispensing kiosks up to Koha (via SIP, I mean)? At one time we were thinking about getting one or more of them. |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Hey, off-white is a color! |
| 19:54 | rambutan | http://tinyurl.com/czxc3s6 |
| 19:54 | jcamins | I have three shades of off-white! |
| 19:55 | rambutan | This is what got me thinking about it again... |
| 19:55 | http://urbanlibrariansunite.or[…]e-mini-libraries/ | |
| 19:55 | jcamins: have you ever seen one of those? | |
| 19:58 | jcamins | rambutanI have not, but I'd heard about them. |
| 19:59 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Like this jcamins?" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/471 |
| 19:59 | jcamins | tcohen: that seems reasonable to me, but run it by rangi. He'd know better how to do error handling with that. |
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| 20:10 | jatara | Quick question: if the permanent shelving location was configured incorrectly when the book was added to Koha, where can I go to change it? The "Edit Items" screen doesn't have that option. |
| 20:10 | cait | jatara: it has no real item field, i think you can only do it using sql |
| 20:11 | but I think you only need it when you are using the cart/proc feature | |
| 20:12 | jatara | I have items in my catalog that are showing up as PROC, long after they've been moved to the library and have been checked in/out multiple times. I'm wondering if the permanent location was configured incorrectly. |
| 20:13 | cait | we aren't using that feature, I am not entirely sure if it works right |
| 20:21 | drojf | cait: for 10050, do you want me to see if the things show up in the installer&staff client or actually look trhough the sql? |
| 20:21 | cait | whatever you seefit |
| 20:21 | for a sign off :) | |
| 20:23 | rambutan | @seen melia_lunch |
| 20:23 | huginn | rambutan: melia_lunch was last seen in #koha 41 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 34 seconds ago: <melia_lunch> yay! thank you so much |
| 20:23 | rambutan | @seen melia |
| 20:23 | huginn | rambutan: melia was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 36 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <melia> ok thanks guys! I will check back with rangi later on, after he's had a chance to eat his breakfast and stuff :) |
| 20:26 | drojf | cait: the sysadmins get geduzt and the librarians gesiezt? :D |
| 20:26 | cait | huh? |
| 20:27 | drojf | bitte installiere grundlegende… maybe it has always been like this |
| 20:27 | no it is "sie" in the next step again. :D | |
| 20:27 | cait | yeah I think I didn't touch that |
| 20:28 | fix it in the po file? :) | |
| 20:29 | maybe we should do it like wordpress ;) | |
| 20:29 | they have formal and not so formal german | |
| 20:31 | drojf | we could have several variants of gendered german too ;) |
| 20:31 | cait | heh |
| 20:31 | now i am going to have translation nightmares | |
| 20:31 | drojf | lol |
| 20:32 | hmm i cannot make pootle search… ah there it is, just needs a little complaining :P | |
| 20:33 | cait | heh |
| 21:03 | melia | rambutan: were you looking for me? |
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| 21:12 | rangi | @later tell tcohen your eval works fine .. but Try::Tiny (is in perl core now) is a bit nicer |
| 21:12 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:13 | rangi | @later tell tcohen http://search.cpan.org/~doy/Tr[…]2/lib/Try/Tiny.pm |
| 21:13 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:13 | gmcharlt | Try::Tiny++ |
| 21:15 | melia | good morning rangi! there was something I was going to ask you about… |
| 21:16 | oh yeah, I remember. bug 9902 - is that going to get into a 3.10.x stable release? or do you need a new patch for 3.10? (I haven't tried yet to see if it'll apply to 3.10, btw) | |
| 21:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9902 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , item subfields not populating |
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| 21:27 | rangi | not in 3.10.5 but maybe after its released, its in freeze at the moment but if it applies it could go in 3.10.6 |
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| 21:43 | jcamins | Apparently it was a banana in the garden of Eden, not an apple or a pomegranate. |
| 21:46 | * jcamins | heads home. |
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| 21:56 | rangi | hmm does anyone know of a library that has an opac that uses analytics well? |
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| 21:59 | bag | hmmm…. |
| 21:59 | well I don't know what using analytics well is… | |
| 21:59 | but I think we have a few academics that are using it | |
| 22:01 | melia | thanks rangi |
| 22:01 | aquaman | /nick aquaman |
| 22:14 | eythian | jcamins: you around? |
| 22:15 | also, hi | |
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| 22:28 | eythian | yay, master now builds into packages correctly with no modification once again. |
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| 22:54 | jcamins | rangi: hfjs |
| 22:54 | eythian: yes. | |
| 22:54 | Briefly. | |
| 22:54 | eythian | jcamins: awesome, I have an exciting analytics question for you. |
| 22:55 | * jcamins | gets suitably excited. |
| 22:55 | eythian | jcamins: I have some articles that have a 773$w set the 001 of their host record. What else do I need to set up on each record to make them see each other. |
| 22:55 | jcamins | You set the leaders? |
| 22:56 | eythian | I'm not sure what they should be set to |
| 22:56 | jcamins | That's the big one. |
| 22:56 | Let me check the position. | |
| 22:56 | For the host records, are they books are journals, or... | |
| 22:58 | (that was an open-ended question) | |
| 22:58 | eythian | journals, serials, etc primarily I think |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 22:59 | So the host records will have LDR/07=s | |
| 22:59 | Articles will have LDR/07=a | |
| 22:59 | And that should be all you need, actually. | |
| 23:01 | eythian | if I have LDR7 as "a - Monographic component part" it doesn't create the link to the host record. |
| 23:02 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 23:02 | And you turned on UseControlNumbers? | |
| 23:02 | eythian | If I set LDR7=s on the host, I do get "show analytics" |
| 23:03 | "No system preferences matched your search for usecontrolnumbers." | |
| 23:03 | jcamins | UseControlNumber? |
| 23:03 | It's something like that. | |
| 23:03 | Search for "Control" | |
| 23:03 | eythian | ah yep |
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| 23:04 | eythian | it was off, now on |
| 23:05 | however that seems to make no change | |
| 23:05 | when I hit the "show analytics" link, I also get "No results match your search for 'rcn:505373.20130415 and (bib-level:a or bib-level:b)'." | |
| 23:06 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 23:06 | eythian | also, I'm hitting that on the host...why would it be looking for a specific rcn. |
| 23:06 | ? | |
| 23:06 | (because the rcn is on the host, right?) | |
| 23:06 | jcamins | Right, but you've put that into the 773. |
| 23:06 | eythian | (or do we index it such that rcn also matches 773?) |
| 23:06 | jcamins | I think rcn is 773 only, and Control-number is 001 only. |
| 23:07 | Though something about that seems... wrong. | |
| 23:07 | eythian | OK |
| 23:08 | jcamins | And your indexes are up to date, right? |
| 23:08 | eythian | yep. Hmm. I did just notice that I'm not creating the 773$w value correctly, that won't be helping. Though it shouldn't imact on whether the link shows up I'd think. |
| 23:08 | jcamins | There should be a link showing up regardless. |
| 23:09 | Even without the control number. | |
| 23:09 | It'd just be a search on main entry/title without the control number. | |
| 23:09 | Oh. | |
| 23:10 | You have something in 773$a and/or 773$t, right? | |
| 23:10 | eythian | I have 773$w, $t, and $g |
| 23:10 | jcamins | And do you see the $t/$g? |
| 23:11 | But without any link? | |
| 23:11 | eythian | that's right |
| 23:11 | wahanui | no it's not. |
| 23:11 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:11 | eythian | they appear below the article title |
| 23:11 | jcamins | Boy he's quick to disagree. |
| 23:11 | eythian | heh |
| 23:11 | thusly: | |
| 23:11 | The key principles of social media development | |
| 23:11 | Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8 | |
| 23:11 | Author(s): Chestney, Ross. | |
| 23:11 | where "Strategic..." is the $t and $g | |
| 23:12 | and not a link | |
| 23:12 | jcamins | What happens if you set ind1 to 0? |
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| 23:13 | eythian | are indicator positions 0 based, or 1 based? |
| 23:13 | (i.e. is ind1 the first or second?) | |
| 23:13 | jcamins | 1-based. |
| 23:13 | First indicator. | |
| 23:14 | I had never considered before just how dumb that is. | |
| 23:15 | eythian | well |
| 23:15 | now I have: "In: Strategic communication management Volume 14, Issue 1 Dec/Jan 2010, p. 8" | |
| 23:15 | right at the bottom of the main info block | |
| 23:15 | that looks perfect. | |
| 23:16 | jcamins | But no link? |
| 23:16 | eythian | there is a link now |
| 23:16 | jcamins | Oh. Yay! |
| 23:16 | eythian | it links to http://koha:8080/cgi-bin/koha/[…]r:505373.20130415 |
| 23:16 | which looks correct | |
| 23:17 | jcamins | It does. |
| 23:17 | Well- it looks like what you were trying for. | |
| 23:17 | eythian | thank you very much |
| 23:17 | now I'll put that in the wiki somewhere. | |
| 23:17 | jcamins | Unfortunately, I suspect they're going to run into problems. |
| 23:17 | eythian | howso? |
| 23:17 | jcamins | That looks like a control number with the accession date of the particular issue appended. |
| 23:17 | eythian | no, I'm generating that control number as part of migration |
| 23:17 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 23:18 | In that case, looks perfect. | |
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| 23:32 | dcook | Good ol' control numbers... |
| 23:39 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics <-- jcamins, can you please double-check that for me |
| 23:43 | jcamins | Looks right to me. |
| 23:43 | eythian | cool. That way I won't have to ask you again when this next comes up in a year or so :) |
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| 23:51 | eythian | tcohen: new master package, you didn't even have to ask this time :) |
| 23:51 | tcohen | heh |
| 23:51 | eythian++ | |
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| 23:56 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 23:56 | Haven't used analytics much yet, but I like the idea | |
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