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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | dcook | Sounds even more intriguing |
| 00:00 | Although I can't say I'm much of a wasabi/horseradish fan | |
| 00:03 | jcamins | They're delicious. |
| 00:18 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 00:19 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 00:19 | dcook | hey ya wizzyrea |
| 00:20 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:26 | papa joined #koha | |
| 01:27 | dcook | Has anyone had problems with local cover images not appearing in the staff client? |
| 01:28 | The OPAC is looking good but they're not appearing at all in the staff client, even with LocalCoverImages syspref turned on | |
| 01:29 | jcamins | dcook: it's not really a problem. |
| 01:29 | It was never implemented at all. | |
| 01:29 | dcook | O_o |
| 01:30 | I had a feeling that might be the case, but then why the LocalCoverImages syspref? | |
| 01:30 | It seems like there might be some code in a few places too | |
| 01:30 | jcamins | For the tab. |
| 01:31 | wizzyrea | you can see them in the staff client, they're just not in the spot where you expect them. |
| 01:31 | dcook | "local cover images on intranet search and details pages." |
| 01:32 | Perhaps instead it should say "in the images tab on the details page" | |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | probably should |
| 01:32 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 01:32 | dcook | Or someone implements them for the search results and up in the corner for the detail page :p |
| 01:32 | jcamins | Well, that's not going to be me. |
| 01:32 | I donated way more time to that feature than it was worth. | |
| 01:33 | dcook | Not saying it should be, jcamins ;) |
| 01:33 | Sorry to hear that too | |
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| 02:12 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 02:13 | dcook | allo mtompset |
| 02:15 | mtompset | Thought I would come here and ask what people's opinion about three install.ubuntu type files are, and what sort of instructions should be in a single one? |
| 02:15 | dcook | I'm not sure I follow |
| 02:15 | But I'm intrigued | |
| 02:17 | mtompset | in a git clone, (or a tar.gz) of koha, there are three ubuntu installation instruction files: INSTALL.ubuntu, INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04, and INSTALL.ubuntu.lucid |
| 02:17 | dcook | My "To Do" list still has "set up Koha" on Debian (and maybe Ubuntu) at home, so the better the install instructions I use...the better I can comment and suggest revisions :) |
| 02:18 | mtompset | It would seem that INSTALL.ubuntu is for Jaunty?! |
| 02:19 | If you do ubuntu, I would recommend http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
| 02:20 | The Determine IP Address step is confusing for the utter novice, but it should be clear enough for someone trying to jump from the package install to a web install steps. | |
| 02:20 | Assuming they have some networking and system administration background. | |
| 02:21 | dcook | Which they might not |
| 02:21 | mtompset | There in is the problem. |
| 02:21 | dcook | My networking/sys admin background is...a bit of what I've picked up here at work...and from the last web server that I set up at home in 2011 |
| 02:21 | I can research like a champ though ;) | |
| 02:21 | But it's not about me | |
| 02:22 | Hmm | |
| 02:22 | I have this dream of being able to hand some instructions to librarians I know so that they can set up Koha | |
| 02:22 | But if you have fool proof instructions, you also don't learn how to do anything but follow instructions | |
| 02:22 | So when it doesn't work according to plan, you're still hooped | |
| 02:23 | But, at least you will have it installed.. | |
| 02:23 | mtompset | That's the problem. |
| 02:23 | There are multiple ways to configure apache2. | |
| 02:23 | So which way do you write instructions for? | |
| 02:23 | The default packages work best with the named host method. | |
| 02:24 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 02:24 | mtompset | The problem becomes getting them to have the apache2 server accessible from the machine that they want it accessible from. |
| 02:24 | Is that the same terminal running desktop ubuntu? | |
| 02:24 | dcook | For anyone wanting to run a prod machine, for sure |
| 02:24 | mtompset | Is it a different terminal, and then they need to set up DNS stuff? |
| 02:25 | dcook | I suppose that's why support companies exist, eh? |
| 02:25 | Lots of variables | |
| 02:25 | mtompset | It's that tumultuous mess that makes writing the perfect set of instructions impossible. |
| 02:25 | dcook | Mhm |
| 02:26 | mtompset | The problem also becomes when some librarian at some university (for example) wants to try out Koha, but they can't get library.university.edu to work, because their IT department is incharge of the DNS set up. |
| 02:27 | And their IT department doesn't want to set it up, because it is for testing purposes. | |
| 02:28 | I wrote the wiki instructions with the mindset of a desktop ubuntu terminal running it as library.framisdooby.org and library-intra.framisdooby.org | |
| 02:28 | (or server, assuming you can figure out how to navigate lynx) | |
| 02:30 | dcook | In that case, since it's for testing purposes...can't they run it by just using the local IP address? |
| 02:30 | mtompset | not using named hosts. |
| 02:30 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:30 | * wizzyrea | would suggest adding the names to the local hosts file in that case |
| 02:31 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | to bypass DNS |
| 02:31 | dcook | Good one |
| 02:31 | mtompset | That's exactly what the instructions do. |
| 02:31 | dcook | I suppose the problem is when the librarian doesn't realize it is just running locally? |
| 02:31 | mtompset | That too. |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | technically, you could put the entry in any machine's hosts file |
| 02:31 | if you can't sort DNS | |
| 02:32 | mtompset | Right, and if the IP addresses are on the same subnet, it should work. |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | is a problem if you want it for public |
| 02:32 | of course | |
| 02:32 | eythian | but in that case, someone _must_ set up DNS |
| 02:32 | there is no real other option | |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | or the server is public |
| 02:33 | you can do hosts for a server with a public IP, it's just exceedingly not optimal | |
| 02:33 | mtompset | Which is also why the instructions say to talk to the system, network administrators. |
| 02:33 | wahanui | okay, mtompset. |
| 02:33 | mtompset | forget which |
| 02:33 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot which |
| 02:34 | eythian | I don't consider IP address access on a public server to be an option :) |
| 02:34 | mtompset | It's a really bizarre one, so it isn't normal. |
| 02:35 | But you can't rule out the strangeness that people will attempt. | |
| 02:36 | wizzyrea | if it can be done, people will try to do it |
| 02:36 | eythian | yeah, but they shouldn't do that. If they can't work out DNS, they shouldn't be making a public server. They should be finding someone to help them with it. |
| 02:36 | mtompset | While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? |
| 02:36 | dcook | Maybe they don't want to use DNS? |
| 02:36 | Maybe they're super underground ;) | |
| 02:37 | eythian | dcook: in that case they should set up a .onion address :) |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | people do strange things when they are testing. |
| 02:37 | people do strange things. | |
| 02:37 | dcook | Touché, eythian |
| 02:37 | mtompset | -- While I see other people here, am I correct to assume that subfields are character and not numeric (ie. eq not ==)? |
| 02:37 | dcook | Subfields? |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Correct. |
| 02:38 | mtompset | Then I have found a bug. :) |
| 02:38 | Not to figure out how to test it. ARG! | |
| 02:38 | Now to figure out how to test it. ARG! | |
| 02:38 | And spell better. :) | |
| 02:38 | eythian | mtompset: yeah, subfields are usually characters actually. |
| 02:39 | mtompset | well, it seemed weird to me that blinddetail-biblio-search.pl has a == instead of eq |
| 02:39 | And I was getting an error log entry. | |
| 02:42 | dcook | Never even heard of that script |
| 02:42 | Learn something new every day.. | |
| 02:47 | eythian | jcamins: 773$w of the child should contain the value in 001 of the parent, yeah? |
| 02:47 | and something stuff to the leader | |
| 02:47 | jcamins | eythian: yes. |
| 02:47 | eythian | ta |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | ^ speaking of learning new things |
| 02:48 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:49 | That's interesting... | |
| 02:49 | It would not be nice to update a 001 for the parent and not the child $w... | |
| 02:50 | eythian | I don't think you're supposed to update the 001 anyway |
| 02:52 | jcamins | Except for when you are merging records. |
| 02:52 | Or creating a new record. | |
| 02:54 | dcook | How about if you wan to start distributing your records? |
| 02:54 | And you haven't had an official control number before that? | |
| 02:54 | I suppose control numbers might not be official? | |
| 02:54 | But 003s are.. | |
| 02:54 | Ack | |
| 02:54 | eythian | you can put who created them in 003 |
| 02:54 | dcook | Right |
| 02:55 | But there are invalid and valid identifiers for 003 | |
| 02:56 | But now that I think about it...001 should always be internal.. | |
| 02:56 | "For interchange purposes, documentation of the structure of the control number and input conventions should be provided to exchange partners by the organization initiating the interchange." | |
| 02:57 | Which goes back to what you guys were saying | |
| 02:57 | There's no reason to change a 001 | |
| 02:57 | mtompset | Okay. Forgive me, I am not a librarian. Can someone explain authorities to me? :) |
| 02:58 | eythian | authorities are templates for parts of biblio records. |
| 02:58 | mtompset | Okay, so let's say I have biblio records with 700$a's and 100$a's filled in. |
| 02:58 | I search the authorities. No results. | |
| 02:59 | eythian | They prevent you having "Will. M Shakespaar" and "Willy S." and "William Shakespeare" all meaning one person. |
| 02:59 | mtompset | I know I have some authorities, because I watched a full zebra reindex. |
| 02:59 | eythian | Hmm. how are you searching them? |
| 02:59 | mtompset | Is there a quick and easy way to populate missing authorities? |
| 03:00 | eythian | Not that I know of, but I don't deal with them all that much. |
| 03:00 | mtompset | home -> cataloging -> search catalog -> the -> choose something to Edit Record -> 1 or 7 tab -> tag editor -> search? |
| 03:00 | jcamins | There is not, no. |
| 03:00 | Not even a hard and slow way, really. | |
| 03:00 | Other than "create each one by hand." | |
| 03:01 | mtompset | That sounds like a potentially useful tool to write then? |
| 03:01 | build a list, get the user to confirm them, fill them in. | |
| 03:02 | jcamins | It'd be very useful. |
| 03:02 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:02 | jcamins | And link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is almost certainly not the right tool for the job. |
| 03:02 | Just so we're clear. | |
| 03:02 | dcook | jcamins++ |
| 03:03 | eythian | I've made them from CSVs before. |
| 03:03 | * dcook | tries to remember the conversation that jcamins, dcook, eythian, et al had a while back |
| 03:03 | dcook | Right |
| 03:03 | jcamins | I use CSVs, when I have to generate them. |
| 03:03 | dcook | You can extract your existing subjects, authors, etc from your DB |
| 03:03 | Output as CSV, csvtomarc.pl them, import, then link_bibs_to_authorities.pl | |
| 03:04 | jcamins | But I use authorities for actual authoritative data. |
| 03:04 | dcook | Although then you still have authority work to do as a librarian |
| 03:04 | As you should :) | |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Well, yeah. |
| 03:04 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:04 | jcamins | I guess that is kind of the point. |
| 03:04 | mtompset | Okay, just looked at link_bibs_to_authorities.pl -- what's wrong with it? Other than it seems a little too automatic. |
| 03:05 | bgkriegel | I used frederic demians script, koha-auth, to extract auth data and to link |
| 03:05 | jcamins | It is for linking existing bibs to existing authorities. |
| 03:05 | Only. | |
| 03:05 | That's it. | |
| 03:05 | It generates authorities in some circumstances but only as a side effect of it doing its job. | |
| 03:06 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:06 | That's... | |
| 03:06 | what? | |
| 03:06 | mtompset | if the bibs don't exist, how can you have an authority record? |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Easily. |
| 03:07 | You get the authorities from an authority. | |
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| 03:07 | mtompset | Okay, but why would you want an authority for a bib or bibs that you don't have in your collection? |
| 03:07 | jcamins | dcook: it generates authorities only if you tell it -- basically -- "I think I have all the authorities, and if not, I'd like the gaps filled in." |
| 03:08 | mtompset | bgkriegel: where is the koha-auth script? |
| 03:08 | bgkriegel | cpan |
| 03:08 | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Koha-Contrib-Tamil/ | |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Personally, I think generating any authorities with link_bibs_to_authorities.pl is a bad idea that can only end in pain. |
| 03:09 | mtompset | Because you'll have to re-edit them to correct mistakes? |
| 03:09 | (which is just as painful and entering one at a time?) | |
| 03:09 | jcamins | And because you'll end up with duplicates. |
| 03:09 | Much more painful. | |
| 03:09 | mtompset | Oh, that would be more painful. |
| 03:09 | bgkriegel | It's not perfect, but a starting point. Mainly for librarians that never used authorities |
| 03:10 | dcook | True |
| 03:11 | jcamins | ... but if your librarians don't use authorities, you should be asking yourself if they need authorities at all. |
| 03:11 | dcook | But...it makes me think if they haven't used authorities...maybe they shouldn't use them |
| 03:11 | Mhm | |
| 03:11 | Exactly | |
| 03:11 | jcamins | Librarians will demand authorities if they need them, most of the time. |
| 03:11 | CS people rarely understand why/when they are necessary, in my experience. | |
| 03:11 | dcook | I've had career cataloguers mention that is where a lot of the "librarian" work comes in as well. They have lib techs do a lot of the data entry and they do the authority policing as it were |
| 03:12 | eythian | jcamins: presumably only the CS people who haven't had to deal with the data that users type into computers, right? |
| 03:12 | dcook | If they want a simple way of just choosing "authoritative" spellings, it might make more sense to just use an authorized_value list |
| 03:13 | eythian | if it's a short list, yeah |
| 03:13 | dcook | Yeah, it does get more problematic when you have a longer list |
| 03:13 | But then you also need a librarian who is willing to look after the authorities, especially if they aren't actually authoritative authorities | |
| 03:14 | mtompset | CS people? |
| 03:14 | jcamins | eythian: actually, my experience has been that the more expert a CS person is, the more they think that authorities are unnecessary. |
| 03:15 | (with the exception of people who actually work in libraries, of course, who eventually realize that authority records in fact _do_ do more than simply add overhead) | |
| 03:15 | mtompset | But aren't authorities a sort of index of information unto themselves? |
| 03:15 | eythian | jcamins: hmm, I just hold the opinion that people are terrible and need to be protected from themselves as much as feasible. That naturally follows on to things like authority records. |
| 03:15 | jcamins | eythian: I agree completely. |
| 03:16 | mtompset | What did you mean by CS people, jcamins? |
| 03:17 | eythian | mtompset: computer science |
| 03:17 | jcamins | I had in mind the people who are experts in database theory. |
| 03:17 | mtompset | just wanted to make sure I didn't assume incorrectly. :) |
| 03:19 | dcook | mtompset: As you can see, there's a lot to authorities ;) |
| 03:19 | Really, if there isn't a librarian to look after them, I would highly suggest not using them | |
| 03:19 | jcamins | You can recognize the type of person I have in mind because they say things like "it's just a foreign key, why do you need an entire MARC record"? |
| 03:19 | * dcook | twitches |
| 03:19 | had a feelings that's what jcamins meant | |
| 03:19 | mtompset | It seems like it is a sort of what level of normalization is required problem, and the Librarians and CS folks don't quite see eye to eye, because the CS folks don't have all the facts about how authorities are used? |
| 03:20 | eythian | well, also library data tends to be used differently to a regular database of data |
| 03:20 | in that a MARC record is a self-contained thing that may travel | |
| 03:20 | and so needs to carry all its context with it | |
| 03:20 | jcamins | Have horror, will travel. :) |
| 03:21 | eythian | quite :) |
| 03:21 | mtompset | also, wouldn't it be handy to have a trail of where the data came from? |
| 03:21 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:21 | eythian | mtompset: it sorta does have that |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | mtompset: it does, sorta |
| 03:21 | ha | |
| 03:21 | dcook | That's partially where the 001/003 come in |
| 03:21 | eythian | jcamins: unrelated, but have I told you that I've established a canonical source for csvtomarc? |
| 03:21 | mtompset: also 040$a | |
| 03:21 | jcamins | eythian: you had not. |
| 03:21 | dcook | Sometimes also the 035 |
| 03:21 | mtompset | Isn't that the point of storing the whole MARC record? |
| 03:21 | dcook | 016 too I think |
| 03:22 | and 010 | |
| 03:22 | eythian | I might mean 035 instead of 040 |
| 03:22 | jcamins | eythian: actually, you mean both. |
| 03:22 | dcook | yep |
| 03:22 | You can see a 040 with a huge string of subfields | |
| 03:22 | It's kind of neat sometimes | |
| 03:22 | eythian | https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]igration-toolbox/ <-- jcamins. I've been cleaning it out a bit, and adding my stuff to it, along with actual migration scripts to act as examples. |
| 03:23 | dcook | Apparently 040 also relates to 008/39 |
| 03:23 | MARC certainly has its issues... | |
| 03:24 | eythian | wahanui: marc |
| 03:24 | wahanui | The MARC specs live at http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/ - abandon hope all ye who enter here. |
| 03:24 | eythian | wahanui: marc |
| 03:24 | wahanui | http://marc-must-die.info |
| 03:24 | jcamins | dcook: bwahaha! It's a FRBR joke! |
| 03:24 | eythian: nice! | |
| 03:24 | I should submit a pull request against that. | |
| 03:24 | eythian | by all means |
| 03:24 | jcamins | It has been added to my to-do list. |
| 03:24 | Probably won't happen until after May 22. | |
| 03:25 | dcook | Oh FRBR... |
| 03:25 | eythian | no problem |
| 03:25 | dcook | I like the abstract idea of WEMI, but... |
| 03:26 | bgkriegel | bye all |
| 03:26 | dcook | ta bgkriegel |
| 03:26 | * jcamins | dislikes WEMI altogether. |
| 03:26 | dcook | mtompset: Authorities become really important when you're trying to differentiate between a hundred different John Smiths |
| 03:26 | jcamins | If you're interested in talking about work/edition/issue/state, that's what you should talk about. |
| 03:26 | dcook | And correctly linking/attributing the right author to the right work |
| 03:26 | mtompset | True enough, dcook. |
| 03:27 | dcook | work/edition/issue/state |
| 03:27 | jcamins | And if that's not your goal, Expression and Manifestation should be combined. |
| 03:27 | dcook: no, you had it right. | |
| 03:27 | It's Work/Expression/Manifestation/Item. | |
| 03:27 | dcook | Yeah, I know |
| 03:27 | I'm intrigued by this other idea | |
| 03:27 | jcamins | I disagree with FRBR on principle. |
| 03:27 | Ah! | |
| 03:27 | dcook | Yeah, maybe expression and manifestation could be combined |
| 03:27 | jcamins | My favorite subject! |
| 03:27 | Bibliography! | |
| 03:27 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:28 | jcamins | You know what you should read? |
| 03:28 | Let me find it. | |
| 03:28 | dcook | Eeee! |
| 03:28 | jcamins | Greatest article ever. |
| 03:28 | dcook | Personally, I love the idea of searching "Hamlet" and finding all sorts of different expressions or manifestations or whatevers of Hamlet |
| 03:28 | jcamins | Here we go: http://www.bibsocamer.org/bibdef.htm |
| 03:28 | dcook | The films, the screenplays, the graphic novels, the novels, et |
| 03:28 | etc* | |
| 03:29 | jcamins | It's going to be like a bolt of light striking. |
| 03:29 | dcook | It's now on the to do list :D |
| 03:30 | eythian | I like when I find a feature in csvtomarc that I wrote a couple of years ago, forgot about, and now it's exactly what I need. |
| 03:30 | * eythian | combines CSV fields with wild abandon |
| 03:31 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 03:31 | * jcamins | calls it a night. |
| 03:31 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:31 | eythian | it's barely an afternoon |
| 03:31 | catch you later | |
| 03:32 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 03:32 | Whoa when did 1:30pm happen? | |
| 03:32 | mtompset | Good night, jcamins. :) |
| 03:32 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 03:32 | mtompset | You mean 11:32 EDT? ;) |
| 03:32 | You mean 11:32 PM EDT? ;) | |
| 03:33 | dcook | eythian: You were talking about a canonical source for csvtomarc.pl? |
| 03:33 | wizzyrea | You mean 23:32 EDT? |
| 03:33 | eythian | mtompset: It's not that late on the east coast of Australia |
| 03:33 | dcook | As in having a central repo for it? |
| 03:33 | eythian | dcook: yeah |
| 03:33 | dcook | I keep meaning to try it out.. |
| 03:33 | eythian | I was finding I was accidentally making forks of it |
| 03:33 | dcook | Eeep! |
| 03:33 | mtompset | Yes, 23:33 EDT, wizzyrea. |
| 03:33 | eythian | add a feature for this case, and forgetting to merge it back in |
| 03:34 | dcook | Definitely an issue |
| 03:34 | eythian | dcook: anyway, it's in that repo I linked above. All changes are in there. |
| 03:34 | dcook | I think that's the same one you linked me to the other day |
| 03:34 | eythian | it's quite possible |
| 03:34 | actually, yes, I remember. | |
| 03:34 | dcook | You have to supply your own leader, 001/003/005/008, right? |
| 03:35 | mtompset | oh, and koha-auth is available in squeeze-dev. ;) |
| 03:35 | dcook | I have a note to myself about a 942 as weell.. |
| 03:35 | eythian | dcook: it slaps a default leader in without really caring what it is, and you can't yet change much of it. |
| 03:35 | that's something that I'll be fixing some time | |
| 03:36 | everything else is fairly easy to set up. | |
| 03:36 | (well, 'easy' is relative) | |
| 03:36 | dcook | Ah, I see the leader there |
| 03:36 | It's been a while since I looked at my experiment | |
| 03:36 | eythian | I think I just pulled that leader from something and made it the default. |
| 03:37 | dcook | What the.. |
| 03:37 | wahanui | the is a stop word |
| 03:37 | dcook | Looking at it now...it is rather bizarre O_o |
| 03:37 | At least in the authority context | |
| 03:38 | eythian | it works well for authorities, I've done it before |
| 03:38 | dcook | Yeah, I think both you and jcamins were saying that |
| 03:38 | I could see it working | |
| 03:38 | The beginning of the leader is just pretty nonsensical for an authority | |
| 03:38 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:38 | dcook | Not that I'm complaining thouhg |
| 03:38 | though* | |
| 03:39 | eythian | even with biblios, chunks of it are ignored. |
| 03:39 | dcook | Absolutely |
| 03:39 | eythian | that's not a reason to do it wrong, but most source data isn't detailed enough to generate a proper leader. |
| 03:39 | dcook | I've wondered a bit about the record length.. |
| 03:39 | eythian | that's automatically computed by the MARC modules, so it doesn't go wrong. |
| 03:39 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:39 | In my test, I have 00000 | |
| 03:40 | 00000pam a2200000ua 4500 in fact | |
| 03:40 | eythian | hmm |
| 03:40 | that's odd | |
| 03:40 | not what I'd expect | |
| 03:40 | dcook | I was a bit surprised originally |
| 03:40 | eythian | are you outputting as usmarc or marcxml? |
| 03:40 | I guess stuff like LDR 00843pam a2200193 a 4500 | |
| 03:40 | and LDR 00768pam a2200205 a 4500 | |
| 03:40 | *get stuff like... | |
| 03:41 | dcook | marcxml |
| 03:41 | eythian | oh, then the length doesn't matter |
| 03:41 | dcook | I take it you output as usmarc? |
| 03:41 | eythian | typically yeah |
| 03:41 | dcook | Mmm |
| 03:41 | eythian | no particular reason, just habit mostly |
| 03:41 | I think it's a bit faster to import, too | |
| 03:41 | dcook | Yeah, I've heard that it's faster |
| 03:41 | Actually, lots faster for high volumes | |
| 03:42 | Now that I think about it... | |
| 03:42 | * wizzyrea | summons all of her willpower to not make a terribly inappropriate joke |
| 03:42 | dcook | The import script would create the record length when creating the marc blob? |
| 03:42 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:42 | dcook | wizzyrea: :P |
| 03:43 | eythian | wizzyrea: why stop now? |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | the comedy fodder, there's too much. |
| 03:43 | no single joke could encompass it all. | |
| 03:43 | dcook | I'll go make a sandwich. I hope to see some jokes when I come back :p |
| 03:44 | * wizzyrea | was told this was a rated pg space. |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | my jokes are decidedly higher rated than that. |
| 03:44 | at least this time. | |
| 03:45 | somewhere around NC-17 | |
| 03:45 | eythian | Apparently it's 11:45pm. |
| 03:45 | mtompset | a play on the words lots, faster, and high volumes? ;) |
| 03:46 | eythian | I'm sure the kids are asleep. |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | and blob. |
| 03:46 | mtompset | You could use [off] then only out sensitive ears/eyes will be offended. ;) |
| 03:47 | ^out^our^ | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | nah I think I'll just avoid that |
| 03:47 | mtompset | But dcook may be disappointed. :P |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | I think he can live with it |
| 03:48 | dcook | I have several sandwiches and a full water bottle |
| 03:48 | I'm good ^_^ | |
| 03:49 | mtompset | Well, I think I best follow jcamins' lead and grab sleep while possible. |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | sleep is for the wea...zzzzzz |
| 03:50 | ^ me, most days. | |
| 03:50 | eythian | no, sleep is for the week. |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 03:50 | only if you're sleeping for a week. | |
| 03:51 | eythian | wahanui: sleep is also for the week |
| 03:51 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | I have child, therefore sleeping for a week is incredibly tempting, but utterly impossible. |
| 03:51 | sleep? | |
| 03:51 | wahanui | i heard sleep was for the week |
| 03:59 | ibeardslee | that should be weak |
| 04:00 | although at times sleep should be for A week. | |
| 04:02 | eythian | ibeardslee: no |
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| 04:03 | wizzyrea | gracious it's a little early for a cait |
| 04:03 | cait | it's not :) |
| 04:03 | it's 6 | |
| 04:03 | eythian | go back to bed, cait |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea | ^ what he said |
| 04:03 | cait | hmpf. |
| 04:04 | wizzyrea | oh are we at 11 at the moment? |
| 04:04 | eythian | no, we're at 12 |
| 04:04 | we were at 13. | |
| 04:05 | Central Yurp is normally at 1 but is now at 2. | |
| 04:06 | cait | we are at 10 |
| 04:06 | isn't it like... 4 for you? | |
| 04:07 | eythian | that would put you in the sea beside Australia or so, I think |
| 04:07 | wizzyrea | yep. never mind me, idk what the hell time it is anywhere. :P |
| 04:07 | except here | |
| 04:07 | cait | so what time is it? |
| 04:07 | * cait | has been successfully confused |
| 04:08 | wizzyrea | 4 |
| 04:08 | dcook | 2:08pm |
| 04:08 | wizzyrea | 1600 |
| 04:08 | 1608 | |
| 04:08 | dcook | For Kohacon, I think I arrive slightly before I depart |
| 04:08 | But lose 2 days coming back :( | |
| 04:08 | wizzyrea | that part is trippy |
| 04:09 | dcook | Actually, no...maybe only one day now... |
| 04:09 | * dcook | has been plotting and changing plans |
| 04:09 | dcook | Trying to book a 5 leg trip...yeesh |
| 04:09 | cait | if it was 4 I could go back to bed at least :) |
| 04:10 | eythian++ thx for reviewing the packaging things :) | |
| 04:11 | dcook | Anyone know off hand what all the serial statuses are/mean? |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | you mean received, expected, etc |
| 04:11 | dcook | Yep |
| 04:12 | Looks like serial-collection.tt has a good list though | |
| 04:12 | [% IF ( serial.status1 ) %]Expected[% END %][% IF ( serial.status2 ) %]Arrived[% END %][% IF ( serial.status3 ) %]Late[% END %][% IF ( serial.status4 ) %]Missing[% END %][% IF ( serial.status5 ) %]Not Available[% END %][% IF ( serial.status7 ) %]Claimed[% END %] | |
| 04:12 | That's probably old.. | |
| 04:12 | Can't remember if the "close a subscription" feature has made it in to master.. | |
| 04:12 | cait | it has |
| 04:12 | it adds closed | |
| 04:13 | dcook | Mmm, that's right |
| 04:13 | cait | there is also Delete - but that's more an action than a status |
| 04:13 | dcook | Is it recorded in the status column of the DB? |
| 04:14 | cait | delete? I don't think so |
| 04:14 | but the other status I think yes | |
| 04:15 | dcook | Cool :) |
| 04:15 | ty | |
| 04:15 | cait | no guarantees :) |
| 04:18 | dcook | I really just needed to know that 2 was Arrived :) |
| 04:23 | cait | btw I need a few sign offs :) |
| 04:25 | dcook | Oh? |
| 04:26 | cait | bug 8294 |
| 04:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8294 major, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , enumeration should show in copy specific hold menu |
| 04:28 | dcook | Cool. Just let me wrap up my current task and I'll take a look :) |
| 04:46 | jeff | travel+- |
| 04:47 | got stuck in ORD due to delayed flights | |
| 05:16 | dcook | There you are, cait :) |
| 05:16 | cait | ah thx |
| 05:16 | :) | |
| 05:16 | that would have given me a headache | |
| 05:26 | dcook | ? |
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| 06:23 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:34 | dcook | allo magnuse |
| 06:34 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
| 06:34 | time to call it a day? | |
| 06:35 | dcook | Almost. Only 4:35pm |
| 06:35 | magnuse | ah |
| 06:36 | @wunder boo | |
| 06:36 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:36 | magnuse | woohoo |
| 06:36 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:36 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:36 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 06:36 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 23.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:36 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 06:36 | So much for it getting colder | |
| 06:37 | Not that I'm complaining | |
| 06:37 | Aside from some rain, it's been great | |
| 06:37 | magnuse | yay |
| 06:39 | dcook | As a sidenote, I hate IE |
| 06:39 | Especially IE 7 (and earlier) | |
| 06:39 | IE-- | |
| 06:40 | magnuse | ie-- |
| 06:40 | @karma ie | |
| 06:40 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "ie" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. |
| 06:40 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 06:40 | @karma IE | |
| 06:40 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 69 times for a total karma of -68. |
| 06:42 | dcook | Seems like it should be less...:P |
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| 06:46 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:49 | dcook | I also dislike yui... |
| 06:49 | salut reiveune | |
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| 06:51 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune and paul_p |
| 06:51 | @karma explorer | |
| 06:51 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "explorer" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 06:51 | dcook | salut paul_p |
| 06:51 | magnuse | @karma internet_explorer |
| 06:51 | dcook | explorer-- |
| 06:52 | huginn | magnuse: internet_explorer has neutral karma. |
| 06:52 | dcook | :p |
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| 07:01 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:01 | wahanui | hello, asaurat |
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| 07:05 | dcook | Looks like it's time for me to head off |
| 07:05 | Bonjour tous les gens de France! | |
| 07:05 | Au revoir :) | |
| 07:05 | bye magnuse :) | |
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| 07:26 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:26 | clrh | hello |
| 07:26 | wahanui | que tal, clrh |
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| 07:32 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:32 | magnuse | hiya kf |
| 07:33 | kf | god morgen magnuse :) |
| 07:33 | hm | |
| 07:33 | probably that is not right :P | |
| 07:33 | what's good morning in norwegian? | |
| 07:36 | magnuse | "god morgen" is perfect |
| 07:40 | kf | cool :) |
| 07:41 | magnuse | or "mor'n" for short |
| 07:41 | kf | :) |
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| 08:00 | AlexKdg | http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/cu[…]otheques-2010.pdf |
| 08:01 | kf | hi AlexKdg |
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| 08:49 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:49 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 15.2°C (10:45 AM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
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| 10:20 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:23 | is it the expected behaviour for fields hidden in OPAC (via marc frameworks) to appear in records saved from the OPAC? | |
| 10:31 | quiet around here. did i miss some kind of holiday? | |
| 10:31 | kf | nope |
| 10:31 | bug | |
| 10:31 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 10:31 | kf | drojf: could you consider signing off n my recent attempts to fix the german web installer? :) |
| 10:32 | drojf | do you have a bug number? |
| 10:32 | kf | oh yes |
| 10:32 | it's so nice even I can remember it :) | |
| 10:32 | bug 10050 | |
| 10:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10050 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Update German web installer files for 3.12 |
| 10:34 | drojf | it is nice :) |
| 10:34 | speaking of nice | |
| 10:34 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 10:34 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 19.1°C (12:13 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 10:34 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 10:35 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.9°C (12:30 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:35 | kf | working next to the open window :) |
| 10:36 | drojf | i need to get my balcony cleaned :) |
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| 10:57 | drojf | is there a bug for the export shows hidden fields problem? i only find one for the same problem in ISBD view |
| 11:06 | kf | drojf: hmn I can't remember seeing one |
| 11:08 | drojf | i should have a todo list for koha things in my wiki |
| 11:08 | i could put "make todo list" in there as the first item ;) | |
| 11:10 | kf | heh |
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| 11:31 | alohabot | Hi mib_296yjs, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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| 11:34 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 11:35 | one question: in koha 3.10.2 kw searches aren't working? | |
| 11:35 | I have done a fresh install, added a record named "Teste de catalogação", searched for "teste" using kw and no result | |
| 11:36 | If the search is done by title works fine... | |
| 11:36 | maybe a problem with record.abs indexes? | |
| 11:37 | monie | hello i am new to koha. i need an on screen keyboard in arabic, how do i do this? |
| 11:42 | vfernandes | anyone? |
| 11:42 | wahanui | well, anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
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| 11:44 | jwagner | vfernandes, monie, I think you've hit a dead time when the Europeans are at lunch and the North Americans haven't signed on yet -- try again in a little while |
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| 11:50 | drojf | d'oh |
| 11:51 | for the record: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]C_screen_keyboard | |
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| 12:27 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:27 | jcamins | Good morning. |
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| 12:39 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:48 | * kf | waves |
| 12:48 | oleonard | kf++ |
| 12:48 | Busy Bugzilla weekend for you kf | |
| 12:48 | kf | yah, I was procrastinating other things :) |
| 12:49 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:49 | oleonard | That's when I get my best Koha work done too! |
| 12:53 | kf | heh :) |
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| 12:53 | kf | oleonard: would you take a look at the patches maybe? |
| 12:53 | especially the invoices oneß | |
| 12:53 | ? | |
| 12:54 | oleonard | Can you give me some bug numbers kf? |
| 12:55 | kf | hm let me think |
| 12:55 | something between 100.000 - 1000.50 :P | |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Only 50? Well that should keep me busy until lunch anyway ;) |
| 12:55 | kf | ok, that would be 100,00 and 100,50 in english... and I am looking for the bug numbers now |
| 12:59 | oleonard: I did some cleanup because we noticed some things in translatoin | |
| 13:05 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 13:05 | Does bug 9887 depend on something else? | |
| 13:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page |
| 13:06 | oleonard | Uh oh, that's a foreboding question. No it doesn't. |
| 13:06 | kf | jcamins: did you see my comment? |
| 13:06 | it's only the checkout tab and you need the pref | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | I cleared my cache and that fixed it. |
| 13:06 | Yeah, I had the new sort erroring out. | |
| 13:08 | kf | oleonard: especially interested in your opinion on bug 10023 |
| 13:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , degree notation in acq |
| 13:09 | kf | and bug 10046 - because I think that needs your touch |
| 13:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10046 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Label budget should be fund on invoices page |
| 13:09 | kf | the invoices detail page could use some of your magic :) |
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| 13:13 | jcamins | Yay! Bug 9985 works perfectly with no issues. |
| 13:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way |
| 13:13 | jcamins | Not that one. |
| 13:13 | kf | :) |
| 13:13 | ooooh | |
| 13:13 | jcamins | Bug 9905 |
| 13:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Use DataTables on calendar page |
| 13:18 | kf | :) |
| 13:19 | oleonard | kf: I have a counter-proposal for Bug 10049 |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10049 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Comments tab shows ( ) instead of ( 0 ) on translated templates |
| 13:19 | oleonard | [% reviews.size or "0" %] |
| 13:20 | (and no surrounding IF) | |
| 13:20 | kf | oleonard: as long as that works I will be happy :) did you see the bug I linked to it? I just copied the solution from there |
| 13:20 | but was not happy with it really | |
| 13:20 | only no better idea and the other is already in koha... so. | |
| 13:21 | oleonard | Well this method works for me. Tested with a freshly-generated translation. I'll submit an alternate patch if you don't mind. |
| 13:21 | kf | not at all |
| 13:22 | do you want to submit a patch for the other occurence too? | |
| 13:22 | bug 9952 | |
| 13:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9952 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , MARC tab: tab 0 is not translated correctly |
| 13:22 | kf | ah, but probably would not work that way |
| 13:22 | + <li><a href="#tab0XX">0</a></li> < different | |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Unless we made something up ;) [% heres-a-variable-I-made-up or "0" %] ;) |
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| 13:24 | kf | heh |
| 13:25 | vfernandes | I'm having problems with kw searches |
| 13:25 | jcamins | Who wrote the patch for Bug 9172? |
| 13:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 13:25 | oleonard | I did |
| 13:26 | jcamins | That's what I thought. |
| 13:26 | magnuse | and? :-) |
| 13:27 | * magnuse | wants to see that one fixed |
| 13:28 | vfernandes | guys, koha 3.10.2, MARC21 and kw searches? any related problem? |
| 13:28 | kf | vfernandes: I am not aware of ne |
| 13:28 | did you update and it stopped working? | |
| 13:29 | could it be permissions? is it only keyword searches or all searches? | |
| 13:29 | vfernandes | no, clean install |
| 13:29 | jcamins | oleonard: could you the top part of `git show` on commit beb1e976e7c5da7d94218a13f97a6e0cb1d6dfac? |
| 13:29 | vfernandes | only keyword |
| 13:29 | jcamins | *could you paste |
| 13:30 | kf | vfernandes: so it never worked for that installation? |
| 13:30 | vfernandes | nop |
| 13:30 | kf | are you using dom or icu? what's the search that doesn't wokr? |
| 13:30 | is zebrasrv running? | |
| 13:30 | vfernandes | yes, zebra is running |
| 13:30 | title searches for example works | |
| 13:31 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Bug 9172 commit message" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/470 |
| 13:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 13:31 | vfernandes | see this link (beta design): catalog.koha.creddm.org |
| 13:31 | jcamins | oleonard: thanks! |
| 13:31 | vfernandes | http://catalog.koha.creddm.org/ |
| 13:31 | try to do a search by "teste", and then by title "teste" | |
| 13:35 | kf | hm |
| 13:35 | that is confusing | |
| 13:36 | nice beta design :) | |
| 13:36 | and you didn't update? | |
| 13:36 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #3 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:36 | kf | I have never seen the 'any' index broken I think |
| 13:37 | vfernandes | could be ICU? |
| 13:38 | kf | hmm |
| 13:38 | whta is your setting for queryautotruncate | |
| 13:38 | and yes it could play a role | |
| 13:38 | vfernandes | "only if * is added" |
| 13:38 | kf | try automatically |
| 13:38 | see bug 9715 | |
| 13:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9715 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Variouse combinations of QueryAutoTruncate, QueryFuzzy and QueryWeightFields preferences Conflict |
| 13:39 | vfernandes | kf I've changed queryautotruncate to automatically |
| 13:39 | now it's fine | |
| 13:39 | kf | yay :) |
| 13:39 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9172' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9859c13e4ba5e3049> / Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2c2f1b968c3e7decd> / Merge branch 'bug_9463' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
| 13:39 | vfernandes | for me that's enough :) |
| 13:39 | kf | it's annoying |
| 13:40 | but at elast we got it working :) | |
| 13:40 | vfernandes | yes :) |
| 13:40 | kf | yu might want to try out the queryparser when you update to 3.12 :) |
| 13:40 | if jcamins gets around to upload that patch for truncations ;) | |
| 13:40 | *hint* | |
| 13:40 | jcamins | kf: don't count on it. |
| 13:40 | It's either do RM work or do development. | |
| 13:41 | And I think you'd prefer that 3.12 be released. | |
| 13:41 | kf | hmmm |
| 13:41 | not sure... | |
| 13:41 | joking | |
| 13:41 | vfernandes | kf did you liked the design? |
| 13:41 | kf | I was only asking because you said you had already done that somewher |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Yeah, but it requires rebasing. |
| 13:41 | A lot of rebasing. | |
| 13:41 | kf | vfernandes: yes it's nice :) wish I was able to come up with something like that :) |
| 13:42 | vfernandes | see this last production design: http://catalogo.biblioteca.oasrs.org/ |
| 13:42 | kf | oleonard: did I scare you away? |
| 13:42 | oleonard | No |
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| 13:43 | kf | oleonard: hope I didn't make you grumpy either :) |
| 13:43 | oleonard | kf: In fact I notice that opac-detail.tt already uses a variation on that syntax for default values |
| 13:43 | ...in other places | |
| 13:43 | I wondered why the holdings tab didn't have the same problem | |
| 13:43 | kf | ? |
| 13:43 | aah | |
| 13:43 | right, good question | |
| 13:44 | oleonard | [% itemloop.size || 0 %] |
| 13:44 | kf | vfernandes: how big is your library? |
| 13:44 | oh i found it | |
| 13:44 | 30.0000 :) | |
| 13:44 | 30,000 | |
| 13:44 | I have aproblem with numbers today | |
| 13:44 | vfernandes | yes, that's around it |
| 13:46 | kf | i am looking for some nice academic library examples for a presentation |
| 13:46 | magnuse | vfernandes: those are good looking opacs! |
| 13:46 | vfernandes | that last one i've shown is for a arquitectural organization called "Ordem dos arquitectos" |
| 13:49 | kf some academic libraries implement by my company: http://biblioteca.isla.pt/ http://catalogo.ubi.pt/ http://catalogo.biblioteca.iscte-iul.pt/ | |
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| 13:50 | vfernandes | thanks magnuse :) |
| 13:52 | kf | all very nice :) |
| 13:53 | vfernandes | I like the catalog from ISLA |
| 13:53 | it turned really nice | |
| 13:54 | magnuse | now imagine if we could have nice css skins like that, that were easy to use and tweak... :-) |
| 13:54 | vfernandes | some of them are a junction of CSS and JS code |
| 13:56 | oleonard | vfernandes: Any template changes? |
| 13:57 | vfernandes | yes some littles ones, but mostly of client demands |
| 13:57 | oleonard | I'm curious because I'm always looking for ways we can make the templates more flexible for customization |
| 13:58 | vfernandes | with CSS and jQuery you can do a lot of things... |
| 14:02 | kf | oleonard: thank you :) oleonard++ |
| 14:02 | bit surprised you didn't find anything | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | Did you leave in many mistakes to test me? |
| 14:04 | kf | hmmmm |
| 14:04 | :) | |
| 14:04 | no, it just got a little late yesterday | |
| 14:04 | and I am no native speaker so I thought some things might be wrong | |
| 14:05 | i blame the N° confusion for my insecurities | |
| 14:06 | vfernandes | another question: koha 3.10 reports... i've created some of them and they aren't listed :/ |
| 14:07 | kf | oh |
| 14:07 | vfernandes | ohhh wait |
| 14:07 | filter activated :D | |
| 14:08 | oleonard | kf: I prefer "No." and that seems to narrowly win over "#" in current usage in the template |
| 14:08 | gmcharlt | good morning |
| 14:09 | kf | oleonard: I was thinking... maybe we shoudl have that noted somewhere - library wins over branch, be careful when you say budget and mean fund... use no. etc. |
| 14:09 | after I did the no. patch I saw lots of # in the templates | |
| 14:09 | but probably because I was looking for it | |
| 14:09 | good mornign gmcharlt :) | |
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| 14:15 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #3: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.12.x/3/ |
| 14:15 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default | |
| 14:15 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item | |
| 14:15 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search | |
| 14:15 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian | |
| 14:15 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page | |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries |
| 14:15 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 14:15 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page |
| 14:15 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory | |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search |
| 14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian | |
| 14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page | |
| 14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page | |
| 14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page | |
| 14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory | |
| 14:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1139 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 14:45 | kf | hi gaetan_B |
| 14:46 | gaetan_B | hi kf :) |
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| 14:54 | kf | gaetan_B: did the translations work? |
| 14:54 | gaetan_B: I talked to druthb - think it was ok | |
| 14:54 | gaetan_B | kf: today while leaving the meeting, the interpreter / driver was telling me "you can't make a schedule here" |
| 14:54 | so basically the translation training didn't happen today as planned | |
| 14:54 | kf | oh ok |
| 14:55 | gaetan_B | but i have played with the files they are ok thanks :) |
| 14:55 | kf | :) |
| 14:55 | gaetan_B | it will happen on thursday |
| 14:55 | druthb | kf++ |
| 14:55 | gaetan_B | i think they need to find a translator until then |
| 14:55 | druthb | gaetan_B++ |
| 14:55 | * gaetan_B | bows without really knowing how he deserved any honor |
| 14:55 | kf | gaetan_B++ :) |
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| 14:56 | tcohen | is this ok in english? "Check the language po files are present" |
| 14:57 | jcamins | tcohen: it is, but I would prefer "Check that the language .PO files are present." |
| 14:57 | (adding "that"0 | |
| 14:57 | *) | |
| 14:57 | tcohen | and this longer version? "Check if all the po files are present for the specified language." (need it for man page) |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Yes, that's completely idiomatic. |
| 14:58 | tcohen | thanks jcamins |
| 15:02 | rambutan | does the http://features.galecia.com site belong to anyone we know? gmcharlt maybe? |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt | rambutan: LBA is the driver behind it; she's shown up in channel occassionally |
| 15:04 | rambutan | >whois LBA |
| 15:04 | one of the bots should be able to respond to "whois" | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | rambutan: Lori Ayre |
| 15:04 | tcohen | @whois LBA |
| 15:04 | huginn | tcohen: Error: The command "whois" is available in the Internet and Network plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "whois". |
| 15:05 | kf | try with a slash |
| 15:05 | rambutan | ah, ic. I'll just use the contact form on the page--there's a bad database response on one. |
| 15:05 | kf | /whois |
| 15:05 | rambutan | ha! that worked! |
| 15:05 | tnx kf | |
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| 15:21 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:23 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1139: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1139/ |
| 15:25 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8770 - amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits | |
| 15:25 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9933: Unable to edit or add rules for any branch except default | |
| 15:25 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item | |
| 15:25 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9986: Two fixes for Z3950 search | |
| 15:25 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9414 - Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian | |
| 15:25 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9887 [Revised] Use DataTables on circulation page | |
| 15:25 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9905 - Use DataTables on calendar page | |
| 15:25 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9463 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron sent notices page | |
| 15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8770 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , amount does not equal amountoutstanding on a fine with no payments or credits |
| 15:25 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9172 - Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9933 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Changing/editing circulation rules for specific library affects all libraries |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9986 major, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Two fixes on Z3950 Search | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9414 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix sample letters for German and Norwegian | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on circulation page | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9905 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on calendar page | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9463 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron sent notices page | |
| 15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory | |
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| 16:09 | tcohen | c'mon eythian, lemme see those new packages from master |
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| 16:14 | nengard | QA team: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9850 -- ready for QA and needs to get in to 3.12 |
| 16:14 | huginn | 04Bug 9850: normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Signed Off , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update |
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| 16:19 | magnuse | tcohen: build-git-snapshot is your friend ;-) |
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| 16:28 | jcamins | Hooray! Two gmcharlts! |
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| 16:30 | oleonard | I always heard that clones burned out early |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | heh |
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| 17:07 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:07 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:07 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 17:07 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in First Montrose Commons, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (12:07 PM CDT on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:07 | cait | it looks like we are skipping spring this year and are moving on directly into summer :) |
| 17:07 | it's super warm and sunny outside! | |
| 17:08 | druthb | Partly-cloudy here, not overcast…gorgeous day. |
| 17:18 | magnuse | wow |
| 17:19 | @wunder boo | |
| 17:19 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (6:50 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:19 | magnuse | but hey, the snow is melting! |
| 17:21 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 17:21 | cait | :) |
| 17:21 | hi tcohen :) | |
| 17:21 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 17:21 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 27.0°C (2:00 PM ART on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:21 | magnuse | hiya tcohen |
| 17:21 | yeah yeah, rub it in ;-) | |
| 17:21 | 27 is too much anyway :-) | |
| 17:21 | cait | 24 is quite nice :P |
| 17:24 | tcohen | agree magnuse |
| 17:24 | we (the people) are melting here | |
| 17:26 | magnuse | not fun! |
| 17:26 | druthb | 27 here is a *cool* day in Houston. It'll get *much* hotter later in the year. |
| 17:28 | 37 is fairly-likely, and 40 is possible. | |
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| 17:32 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 17:32 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 19.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on April 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:38 | magnuse | did i ever tell you guys how much i hate MARC and NORMARC in particular? |
| 17:39 | druthb | MARC must die! |
| 17:39 | wahanui | http://marc-must-die.info/ |
| 17:39 | * druthb | gives wahanui the ebil eye |
| 17:39 | jcamins | magnuse: an amount comparable to the amount I hate DOM. |
| 17:40 | magnuse | hehe |
| 17:40 | jcamins | "Oh, by the way, when we say there is a keydown event, we don't mean that there's an *actual* keydown event. |
| 17:40 | That'd be silly. | |
| 17:40 | magnuse | yeah, who would want that? |
| 17:41 | jcamins | "No, we mean... THERE'S NO KEYDOWN EVENT, DUMMY. WE JUST WROTE ABOUT IT IN THE SPEC TO TRIP YOU UP!" |
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| 17:42 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:42 | tcohen | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:43 | perl translate install es-ES makes my template ISO-8859-1? | |
| 17:44 | * tcohen | is freaking out, really |
| 17:45 | mtompset | It didn't in 200. There were only two patches added in 202 that busted it. |
| 17:45 | But I'm not sure they are the cause. | |
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| 17:47 | * magnuse | wonders how long the 008 value builder for normarc has been unusable |
| 17:48 | magnuse | mtompset: did you mean 200 and 202? |
| 17:48 | mtompset | 3.11.00.200 and 3.11.00.202 |
| 17:48 | Yes. | |
| 17:48 | magnuse | ah, thanks, i thought you meant years - never mind me! |
| 17:49 | jcamins | mtompset: you do know that those numbers refer to database updates not patches, right? |
| 17:49 | mtompset | yes, which is why it is strange that it BROKE... after upgrading like that. |
| 17:49 | I was running 200 from squeeze-dev in QA. | |
| 17:49 | no problems with es-ES. | |
| 17:50 | I did an update to 202. | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | There were 40+ patches in between those two revisions. |
| 17:50 | mtompset | Now, I have tcohen's problem. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | I'm sure it's related to bug 6554. |
| 17:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , Resolve encoding problems with corrected UTF8 handling in templates |
| 17:52 | jcamins | (i.e. it's not strange at all that it broke) |
| 17:53 | mtompset | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]17187&action=diff |
| 17:53 | Why did they change the code? I don't think the change does the same thing. | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | Presumably to prevent double encoding. |
| 17:56 | And it looks like it does the same thing to me. | |
| 17:56 | mtompset | utf8::decode modifies $_? |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 17:56 | http://perldoc.perl.org/utf8.html | |
| 17:57 | mtompset | Thanks for the link. My mistake. |
| 17:58 | jcamins | decode() does not. |
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| 18:06 | tcohen | mtompset: when u have the time, could u tell me what do u think about bug 10041? |
| 18:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations |
| 18:10 | mtompset | why did you use a different style on the for do done vs. if then fi, tcohen? |
| 18:10 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 18:10 | magnuse | ? |
| 18:11 | mtompset | ARG! I hate knowing a bug exists and the patch, but not being able to figure out how to test it. |
| 18:12 | tcohen | which bug mtompset ? |
| 18:12 | cait | magnuse: fixing bugs:) |
| 18:12 | mtompset | something related to authorities: blinddetail-biblio-search.pl |
| 18:12 | eq vsa. == problem. | |
| 18:13 | magnuse | cait: ah, just normarc bugs, though, not proper bugs... |
| 18:13 | cait | those ARE proper bugs |
| 18:14 | magnuse | nah |
| 18:14 | jcamins: lazy question: does the problem described in bug 9804 have any practical implications? | |
| 18:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml |
| 18:15 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 18:16 | magnuse | have fun tcohen |
| 18:18 | jcamins | magnuse: only that you have to use the use xsltproc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml... instead of xsltproc biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml... |
| 18:18 | So, no. | |
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| 18:19 | magnuse | jcamins: any recommendations/wishes? rename it or WONTFIX? |
| 18:19 | jcamins | Renaming it sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:19 | magnuse | ok, will do |
| 18:19 | jcamins | But it only matters insofar as it makes things more consistent. |
| 18:20 | magnuse | well, consistency IS good... |
| 18:20 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:20 | That's why I think we should rename it. | |
| 18:20 | Well, you should. :P | |
| 18:20 | magnuse | hehe |
| 18:20 | and i will | |
| 18:20 | right now | |
| 18:20 | wahanui | right now is testing just somebody seeing if it works? |
| 18:20 | magnuse | huh? ;-) |
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| 18:22 | jcamins | The HTML5/DOM selection API: MARC meets mouse, mouse loses |
| 18:23 | (and, just like in Hamlet, it ends well for no one) | |
| 18:25 | mtompset | ARG! Someone cleaned up the comments.png from the famfamfam folder. |
| 18:26 | jcamins | mtompset: there were *three* messages to the list asking that people let it be known if they were using other icons. |
| 18:26 | mtompset | I didn't know until I hit this. |
| 18:26 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:26 | mtompset | while actually searching for how to trigger a unrelated bug. |
| 18:26 | jcamins | And actually, I don't think the icons were removed yet... most likely it's just that the path changed. |
| 18:29 | mtompset | Hmmm... compared to 3.8.6 it may not have been added. |
| 18:30 | jcamins | All the famfamfam icons were moved, I think. |
| 18:30 | mtompset | famfamfam/silk? |
| 18:30 | jcamins | I think you may find they were moved from /opac-tmpl/prog/en/famfamfam/ to /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam |
| 18:31 | Or something like that. | |
| 18:31 | mtompset | I'm playing with the staff client, but anyways... |
| 18:31 | jcamins | In that case, intranet-tmpl instead of opac-tmpl. |
| 18:32 | mtompset | Not in master yet. |
| 18:32 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:32 | No explanation, then. | |
| 18:34 | mtompset | just did a git pull and a bunch of tiny_mce moved. ;) |
| 18:34 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 18:34 | mtompset | *sigh* This is frustrating not knowing how to trigger this bug. |
| 18:36 | And two save buttons on the authorities stuff seems weird, when one isn't styled. | |
| 18:38 | jcamins | Where do you see that? |
| 18:40 | mtompset | several locations while hunting for how to trigger this blind thing. |
| 18:40 | Try adding a new authority, for example. | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | I only see one button. |
| 18:40 | mtompset | scroll down. |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:41 | I see! | |
| 18:41 | Tht second one can be eliminated. | |
| 18:41 | *That | |
| 18:41 | The first is always visible. | |
| 18:41 | mtompset | Yes, but I'm not sure they do the same thing. |
| 18:42 | jcamins | They do. |
| 18:42 | If they don't, then that's a bug, and whatever the second one does should be done by a button with a less misleading function. | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Well, I think someone in Q/A bug hunting/fixing needs to run through authorities, because I think there are some issues in that section. :( |
| 18:44 | jcamins | mtompset: unfortunately, unless you're volunteering, my official stance as RM is "that's nice." |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Thanks for that word of encouragement, jcamins. :P |
| 18:44 | * jcamins | should probably not be on #koha, come to think of it. |
| 18:45 | jcamins | I feel compelled to try and answer questions. |
| 18:45 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 18:45 | mtompset | Not being here may increase productivity. |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Actually, I was more thinking "I'll be in a better mood if I am not reminded of Koha at all." |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Harsh! |
| 18:46 | jcamins | oleonard: but accurate, no? |
| 18:47 | oleonard | I'll take your word for it |
| 18:49 | mtompset | Are you on vacation, jcamins? |
| 18:49 | jcamins | mtompset: no. |
| 18:49 | mtompset | Then why would thinking of Koha ruin your mood? responsibilities piling up for RM task? |
| 18:49 | jcamins | Something like that, yes. |
| 18:51 | The number of things in Koha that _aren't_ broken in some way and people don't complain about asymptotically approaches zero. | |
| 18:52 | Something I never appreciated until I became RM. | |
| 18:52 | mtompset | I'm sorry if I induced feelings of stress by complaining. :) |
| 18:52 | jcamins | It's okay. |
| 18:53 | * jcamins | has a short fuse. |
| 18:53 | mtompset | Me too. :) |
| 18:53 | cait | jcamins: I think more things are working than used to... but I might just have seen worse :) |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Not that this should be a surprise... I think I put in my proposal something along the lines of "as RM I will be irrascible and cantankerous." |
| 18:53 | cait: I think that too. | |
| 18:54 | cait | yeah, you are a grumpy person |
| 18:54 | * cait | hands jcamins cookies |
| 18:56 | mtompset | Any ideas on how to trigger output into the koha error log intentionally? |
| 18:57 | I thought "warn" would do that. | |
| 18:57 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah. That's easy. What's hard is getting things to not show up in the error log. |
| 18:57 | warn "whatever" | |
| 18:57 | It didn't work? | |
| 18:57 | oleonard | mtompset: Maybe you're looking at the opac instead of the intranet error log or vice versa? |
| 18:58 | mtompset | I'm looking at /home/mtompset/koha-dev/var/log/koha-error_log |
| 18:58 | jcamins | That should be the intranet. |
| 18:58 | mtompset | I did, interestingly, get a nice white screen of nothing. |
| 18:59 | But the page has valid html source. | |
| 19:03 | Guess that's what you get when you try to get Koha to save a mostly blank authority record. | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | No, you should never get that. |
| 19:06 | jcamins | That's what you'd get if you printed something to the browser before the headers, though. |
| 19:14 | mtompset | Hmmm... now it is working. ARG! |
| 19:18 | I guess I am now mapping the whole system, because this is crazy. I need to be able to trigger errors when I want. :( | |
| 19:23 | * chris_n | thinks its great that khall will have the accounting rewrite finished up by today |
| 19:23 | chris_n | >>> Sponsored by ByWater Solutions and developed by Kyle M Hall, expected for/deadline: 2013-04-15 |
| 19:23 | worlds fastest coder ;-) | |
| 19:25 | mtompset | more speed less haste. ;) |
| 19:25 | khall | ha! I need to change that to 'when it gets done' |
| 19:25 | jcamins | chris_n: it's because of the tax deadline. |
| 19:25 | khall | no that fast |
| 19:25 | jcamins | Someone is trying to write off library fines. |
| 19:25 | :) | |
| 19:25 | ... I wonder how many people actually _do_ write off library fines. | |
| 19:26 | chris_n | lol |
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| 19:42 | jatara | I have a question...I'm trying to re-import some previously reverted records. Unfortunately, some of these records aren't coming up at all. They were newly created, then deleted when I reverted the import. Now any new import keeps matching againt the deleted record. Any idea how to fix this? |
| 19:48 | magnuse | jatara: rebuild your zebra index, perhaps? |
| 19:48 | cait | khall: did you see the comment from robin about the accounts rewrite branch? |
| 19:50 | khall | yeah, I've looked it over. I want to start from scratch, take all the data and functionality that's accrued over time and give it a full integration. The number of subs we have for making payments is silly! |
| 19:51 | cait | I think he wanted to do that too |
| 19:51 | I rmemeber he sent the pod for a new module to the list | |
| 19:52 | jatara | magnuse...was hoping not go that route. |
| 19:53 | jcamins | jatara: there is no other option. You must reindex zebra. |
| 19:53 | The fact that the records are still showing up in searches means that your indexes got out of sync. | |
| 19:53 | * cait | thinks jcamins is right |
| 19:59 | jatara | all right. i'll have the db reindexed. |
| 20:00 | khall | cait, yeah, I think's it's something that's necessary and due |
| 20:00 | it's a perfect way to start using dbix class too | |
| 20:01 | magnuse | yay |
| 20:02 | jatara | i appreciate your help. :) |
| 20:06 | mtompset | does anyone remember what bits 8 and 18 were for permissions? |
| 20:06 | cait | khall: difficult part is keeping our data intact I guess |
| 20:06 | khall: and it has to have all important data for accounting | |
| 20:07 | khall | indeed, my primary directive is to make sure there is a full migration path |
| 20:07 | cait | well, you will have lots of fun with that ;) |
| 20:07 | khall | : )= |
| 20:08 | mtompset | what about a full un-migration path? ;) |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Fun! |
| 20:08 | Ha! | |
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| 20:08 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf. :) |
| 20:13 | okay, bit 8 = reserve for self, something related to 22 to 30 where it got removed. | |
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| 20:23 | bag | |
| 20:23 | man a fire at the JFK library the same time as the bombings | |
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| 21:09 | rangi | morning |
| 21:09 | cait | morning rangi |
| 21:11 | rangi | heh, whoops owen and I both signed, lemme add my signoff to owens |
| 21:13 | rambutan | news reports aren't clear about whether the JFK library was just a fire or an explosion |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | :( really terrible all around. |
| 21:15 | magnuse | is that in boston? |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:15 | magnuse | not good! |
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| 21:16 | wizzyrea | two more bombs found, being dismantled |
| 21:16 | they turned off cell phone access | |
| 21:18 | rangi | yuck |
| 21:18 | cait | :( |
| 21:19 | bag | yeah not good at all |
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| 21:29 | rambutan | seems like the event at JFK Library is being called an explosion |
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| 21:41 | drojf | rambutan: seems like they are back to »fire-related« now |
| 21:41 | rambutan | yea, it's been going both ways |
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| 21:43 | ibeardslee | in a way it doesn't matter, it is adding to the disruption already going on |
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| 22:34 | eythian | hi |
| 22:34 | wahanui | privet, eythian |
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| 22:38 | bag | hey eythian |
| 22:38 | wahanui | rumour has it eythian is an expert bot trainer |
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| 22:53 | eythian | tcohen: master fails a package build at the moment. |
| 22:55 | I think due to bug 9172 | |
| 22:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 22:59 | tcohen | hmmm, looks like you're right eythian |
| 22:59 | eythian | I'm looking at fixing it now |
| 23:02 | tcohen | great |
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| 23:31 | eythian | khall_away: good luck with the rewrite, I started that (ages ago) and it turns out everything talks to the account database directly. If you have a look for the docs that I did, it might give you a start for design, anyway. |
| 23:33 | bag | oh yes please send those docs along! |
| 23:36 | eythian | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]584e6158ce5ada781 <-- bag, khall_away: there's a lot of POD on here describing what I ws aiming to do |
| 23:37 | bag | nice! |
| 23:37 | thanks | |
| 23:37 | sweet | |
| 23:37 | all the good things! | |
| 23:38 | eythian++ | |
| 23:38 | heh | |
| 23:38 | eythian | hopefully you can use some of that to save time |
| 23:40 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]s/bywater/wr78012 <-- the whole branch is here. | |
| 23:41 | bag: khall_away: I think there's a lot of rewrites of parts in there. It might give some ideas of where you'll have to look. |
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