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| 00:57 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 00:59 | zebra? | |
| 00:59 | wahanui | zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 01:18 | mtompset | It's been a while. Can anyone refresh my memory on getting zebra to run under a development set up? |
| 01:24 | jcamins | install.debian? |
| 01:24 | wahanui | hmmm... install.debian is at git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=INSTALL.debian |
| 01:24 | jcamins | ^^ |
| 01:26 | mtompset | Oh... the problem isn't indexing. The problem is how search has changed slightly. |
| 01:26 | Hmmm... let me try a full title. | |
| 01:27 | Okay here's the scenario. | |
| 01:28 | We have "Nan komedselan si takho, maikadwa ay grado." | |
| 01:28 | That's a full title. | |
| 01:28 | Search doesn't find it. | |
| 01:28 | "komedselan" doesn't find it. | |
| 01:28 | "komedselan*" finds it. | |
| 01:30 | Any system preferences to check so that "komedselan" would actually find something? | |
| 01:30 | Nevermind... I think I found it. QueryAutoTruncate. | |
| 01:31 | mtj | hmm, i'm not so good on the searching sysprefs :/ |
| 01:31 | mtompset | Yep, that was it. |
| 01:32 | mtj | aah, cool :) |
| 01:36 | mtompset | Oh goodie, the bug that we hit with page numbers is fixed. :) |
| 01:37 | home -> cataloguing -> search: {something valid with multiple pages} -> page 2. | |
| 01:42 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing |
| 01:42 | wahanui | i heard the saddest thing was http://cooleycooley.blogspot.c[…]iest-unicorn.html |
| 01:42 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/[…]65795/free-kitten |
| 01:42 | wahanui | bugger all, i dunno, eythian |
| 01:42 | eythian | wahanui: \what is the saddest thing is also http://www.twisteddoodles.com/[…]65795/free-kitten |
| 01:42 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:04 | eythian | wahanui: apparently so is just after fa |
| 02:04 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:42 | mtompset | so? |
| 02:42 | wahanui | so is probably a long road. |
| 02:43 | mtompset | fa? |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | do |
| 03:00 | mtompset | re? |
| 03:00 | me? | |
| 03:00 | wahanui | you are disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 03:01 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 03:01 | mtompset | la? |
| 03:01 | ti? | |
| 03:01 | wahanui | hmmm... ti is trying to search the machine but it returns an error |
| 03:01 | mtompset | do? |
| 03:01 | wahanui | do is just a loop with the condition at the end |
| 03:01 | mtompset | Greetings, wizzyrea. :) |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
| 03:07 | dcook | http://www.web2learning.net/20[…]-ils-integration/ |
| 03:07 | Has anyone heard more about progress being made on MarcEdit integrating with the Koha API? | |
| 03:07 | I remember looking it up a bit a couple months ago, but I had forgotten until now... | |
| 03:07 | eythian | never used marcedit, doesn't support free software platforms. |
| 03:07 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:07 | How do you mean? | |
| 03:08 | eythian | Doesn't work on Linux. Also, no source code. |
| 03:08 | dcook | Mmmm |
| 03:08 | jcamins | dcook: it is 100% proprietary, based on .NET. |
| 03:08 | dcook | Tricksy |
| 03:08 | What do you folks use instead? | |
| 03:09 | jcamins | Perl scripts. |
| 03:09 | dcook | Mmm :/ |
| 03:09 | A librarian I know wants to do some batch bib changes and MarcEdit seems like the easiest way of making that happen on the user end | |
| 03:09 | eythian | I have a fair library of perl scripts for manipulating marc in nicely reproducable ways |
| 03:10 | jcamins | dcook: probably. |
| 03:10 | dcook | Mind you, the Perl scripts would probably be a bit nicer |
| 03:10 | From a data management point of view | |
| 03:10 | Doing a little mod rather than a whole export/import | |
| 03:11 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:11 | I've been wanting to write a generic Koha-aware MARC modifying script | |
| 03:11 | though as soon as you say "generic", it explodes into "needs to be able to do everything" | |
| 03:12 | dcook | True enough |
| 03:12 | I suppose it's a tough one :/ | |
| 03:12 | Because one way or another, you need to be loading the information.. | |
| 03:13 | Though, what do you mean by "Koha-aware"? | |
| 03:13 | So you could just plugin directly to Koha and then go nuts? | |
| 03:13 | plug in* | |
| 03:13 | eythian | well, just that it ensures that everything is correctly synced |
| 03:13 | dcook | Side note: Did Galen completely write the Perl MARC modules? |
| 03:13 | eythian | which just means using Koha's APIs to do stuff. |
| 03:13 | I'm not sure | |
| 03:14 | dcook | Mmm, yeah, I've been thinking about doing more with the Koha APIs |
| 03:14 | eythian | https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]lbox/trees/master <-- there's stuff in here for doing this kind of manipulation. |
| 03:14 | dcook | In the past, we were calling all the separate scripts on the backend, but the API just seems so much cleaner |
| 03:14 | eythian | though it's generally more oriented towards working on marc files. |
| 03:14 | jcamins | I think the original code was written by Ed Summers. |
| 03:15 | mtompset | http://people.oregonstate.edu/[…]ml/downloads.html -- There is a Linux link. I'm assuming it uses the Mono project. |
| 03:15 | dcook | =item * Andy Lester |
| 03:15 | =item * Mike O'Regan | |
| 03:15 | =item * Ed Summers | |
| 03:15 | =item * Mike Rylander | |
| 03:15 | =item * Galen Charlton | |
| 03:15 | Intriguing | |
| 03:15 | jcamins | mtompset: it does, yes, but it hasn't worked well any time I've tried it. |
| 03:15 | eythian | Last I heard people were trying to make it work in wine. |
| 03:16 | with very limited success | |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Basically, it's exactly what you would expect from something written in .NET. If you're using Windows, it's not a problem, otherwise it is. |
| 03:17 | dcook | :/ |
| 03:17 | Or rather | |
| 03:17 | :( | |
| 03:17 | * jcamins | goes to bed. |
| 03:17 | dcook | night jcamins |
| 03:17 | eythian | cya |
| 03:18 | if I had time, it'd be interesting to see about making a GUI onto the perl libraries | |
| 03:18 | mtompset | Good night, jcamins. |
| 03:18 | eythian | but, I think I'm generally faster with scripts. |
| 03:19 | mtompset | When you say GUI you mean Gnome/KDE/Unity/whatever desktop manager windowing system GUI? |
| 03:19 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea | I tried to run MARCedit in Wine. |
| 03:19 | dcook | Mmm |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | It was 1. unpleasant |
| 03:20 | 2. it is the devils software. | |
| 03:21 | dcook | eythian: Scripts are probably faster, but I like to be careful ;) |
| 03:21 | * dcook | was looking at what toolkits Gnome and KDE use... |
| 03:21 | eythian | scripts are more careful, too |
| 03:21 | because you have all the transformations laid out in front of you all the time | |
| 03:21 | dcook | KDE is Qt.. |
| 03:21 | mtompset | why not a CGI front end, so you can make it browser-based, and desktop manager independent? ;) |
| 03:21 | eythian | Gnome is GTK+ |
| 03:21 | dcook | Gnome is GTK+ |
| 03:21 | wahanui | i already had it that way, dcook. |
| 03:21 | dcook | yeah |
| 03:22 | mtompset | KDE |
| 03:22 | KDE? | |
| 03:22 | wahanui | i guess KDE is Qt.. |
| 03:22 | eythian | mtompset: because that's a lot harder for someone to set up and use :) |
| 03:22 | mtompset | Yes, but assuming they have Koha working on the server, they already have apache2 running. |
| 03:22 | dcook | eythian: All the transformations laid out in front of you? |
| 03:22 | In terms of what's printing on the screen? | |
| 03:23 | eythian | dcook: no, in terms of the MARC being produced |
| 03:23 | https://gitorious.org/+catalys[…]ia/dia_liberty.sh <-- for example, a migration I'm working on at the moment, this is the whole transformation from CSV to MARC | |
| 03:24 | mtompset | Well, I think I will follow jcamins' lead and head to bed too. |
| 03:25 | eythian | later |
| 03:25 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period) everyone. :) |
| 03:25 | dcook | I'm not sure that I follow the file, but I see what you're saying now |
| 03:26 | eythian | I'm not going to teach you how to use it over IRC, but you can read the docs in csvtomarc.pl if you like :) |
| 03:27 | dcook | Mmm! |
| 03:27 | I've read the docs a bit | |
| 03:27 | Ohhh | |
| 03:27 | I think I see now | |
| 03:28 | It's been a little while since I used csvtomarc.pl | |
| 03:28 | Thanks for the link and suggestion, eythian :) | |
| 03:28 | eythian++ | |
| 03:28 | eythian | no problem |
| 03:29 | dcook | I really see what you're saying about the transformations now. That's really cool :) |
| 03:33 | Yeah, the only downside is that this all has to be done by systems folks | |
| 03:34 | I guess that's a blessing and a curse | |
| 03:34 | Mind you, I suppose a savvy tech services librarian could export their data, manipulate it on their own VM, and then reimport... | |
| 03:38 | eythian | yeah, in this case, we do it. |
| 03:38 | it's hard to express complex transformations in a GUI | |
| 03:46 | dcook | I imagine. |
| 03:46 | * dcook | says looking at some of the functions in the migration script |
| 03:58 | is curious about how eythian handles transformations of existing marc rather than csvtomarc, but lunch time! | |
| 03:59 | eythian | dcook: it's something I don't have to do very often |
| 03:59 | there is a script in that repo to do something like that though | |
| 03:59 | dcook | Oh yeah? |
| 04:00 | It's something I haven't really had to deal with much either, but from time to time | |
| 04:00 | I suppose the rarity makes the whole GUI idea less a priority anyway | |
| 04:00 | eythian | under migration/Generic/biblio_masher.pl |
| 04:01 | dcook | I wondered when I saw "masher" ;) |
| 04:02 | We have some scripts that we already use, but wondered if there was more of an integrated way of doing things. | |
| 04:02 | Anyway, thanks again eythian. Thanks heaps! | |
| 04:02 | * dcook | wanders off to mash up some food |
| 04:04 | * wizzyrea | imagines you wielding a potato masher. |
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| 05:27 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:41 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:45 | * cait | waves back |
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| 06:19 | alohabot | Hi mib_72qggx, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 06:20 | mib_72qggx | i need some help generating labels in koha can sb help me? |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:45 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:45 | wahanui | hola, alex_a |
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| 07:12 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 07:17 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:21 | marcelr | hi kf |
| 07:24 | kf | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:26 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:27 | kf | morning :) |
| 07:27 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 11:54 | chris_n | reading the buffer can be an educational experience |
| 11:54 | * chris_n | learns about wanganella weather |
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| 11:59 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 12:13 | * kf | waves |
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| 12:33 | drojf | hi kf |
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| 12:37 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:39 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:41 | oleonard | MS Dynamics Nav ERP?! |
| 12:50 | kf | Probably something like SAP? |
| 12:50 | drojf | Microsoft Dynamics NAV is an enterprise resource planning (ERP) software product from Microsoft. |
| 12:50 | kf | probably financial transactions |
| 12:51 | drojf | not sure how koha is supposed to "integrate" with that. acquisitions maybe? |
| 12:52 | jcamins | Storage? |
| 12:52 | * jcamins | passes through #koha, offers a perplexed suggestion. |
| 12:53 | jcamins | Data goes into MS Dynamics Nav, gets pointed at by Koha? |
| 12:54 | drojf | https://upload.wikimedia.org/w[…]2013WebClient.jpg not sure how to put that into MARC ;) |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Since the "consolidate opac themes" thread has turned into "the future of OPAC templates" I guess we assume that everyone agrees that we should consolidate OPAC themes? |
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| 13:07 | jcamins | oleonard: sounds good to me. |
| 13:07 | As long as we don't lose the responsive aspects of CCSR, I don't think I even care which theme is chosen. | |
| 13:07 | The reason I worked on CCSR is that I needed a responsive OPAC theme, and that was my best chance of getting one. | |
| 13:08 | * jcamins | shakes his fist at the federal government. |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Curse you, IRS, and April 15, too! |
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| 13:10 | * druthb | shakes her fist at the Kansas state government. |
| 13:11 | druthb | Curse you, Department of Revenue, and April 15, too! |
| 13:11 | jcamins | druthb: I'd be shaking my fist at the NYS government, except the amount they're taxing me is so low in comparison I don't really care. |
| 13:12 | druthb | I'm not shaking my fist *hard* at the KS DoR, either—It's more a nuisance than anything else. |
| 13:12 | * jcamins | shouts "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" |
| 13:14 | * druthb | thinks that jcamins shaking his fist still isn't all that threatening. "Slim, dapper man shakes fist" just isn't as…erm…overwhelming, as, say, Lord Vader's force-choke. |
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| 13:15 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:15 | I shouted "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan" really loudly. :P | |
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| 13:17 | druthb | uhrm…jcamins…. I love you to pieces, you know that. But I'm still bigger'n you are. |
| 13:17 | :P | |
| 13:21 | * jcamins | scurries to get ready and get out of the house. |
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| 13:43 | AndroUser | Morning |
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| 13:50 | oleonard | Perhaps if someone has a moment they could try to reproduce Bug 10025 and Bug 10024? They both work for me. |
| 13:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10025 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , star ratings aren't saving |
| 13:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10024 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , stars are radio buttons in both themes | |
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| 13:53 | tcohen | @wunder Cordoba, argentina |
| 13:53 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:53 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 13:53 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Royal Brook, Houston, Texas is 5.5°C (8:48 AM CDT on April 11, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:54 | tcohen | druthb do u think we could integrate the manuals to the main pootle? |
| 13:54 | kf | oleonard: before I forget - I think the ccsr has translation issues |
| 13:55 | oleonard: I was told there were strings in the css files for the mobile view - didn't have time to really test is so far, but maybe something you could keep in mind in the discussion? | |
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| 13:58 | oleonard | Is 9418 the correct port to unblock if I want to be able to get work done today? |
| 13:59 | kf: Whatever we do with the OPAC there will be major overhauls to everything, so I'm not worried about CCSR's issues right now | |
| 14:01 | druthb | tcohen: I've been thinking about that issue; I also want to separate the .po from the main Koha repo, and that probably needs to happen first. I know *how* to push it out as a subproject, but I want to not create headaches for people who are actually using it. |
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| 14:06 | tcohen | druthb, you mean using the current manual translation site? |
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| 14:08 | druthb | tcohen: First, I want to take the .po files out of the main Koha git repo, which will shrink the repo rather dramatically, and ship those as a subproject. *then*, I want to move the manual pages into Pootle, and deal with having the translated manuals in the "translations" repo. |
| 14:09 | All that, without making anything any harder on anyone. | |
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| 14:10 | tcohen | Ok, I need to change my Android irc client |
| 14:11 | druthb | What are you using? |
| 14:11 | tcohen | Androirc |
| 14:11 | druthb | hm. I've had good luck with that one. |
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| 14:54 | mmm45 | hello |
| 14:54 | wahanui | privet, mmm45 |
| 14:54 | mmm45 | how can one Switch TimeFormat to the 12 hour format |
| 14:55 | for patch 9014 | |
| 14:55 | apparently time needs to be in the 12 hour format | |
| 15:01 | kf | oleonard: we would probably need to find a way to deprecate the old one first, if we replaced a lot of the structure? so libraries have some time to adjust to the new templates? |
| 15:03 | mmm45: it will be possible to do that in 3.12 | |
| 15:03 | switch the dateformat | |
| 15:03 | there is a system preference called TimeFormat for that | |
| 15:03 | bug 9014 | |
| 15:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips |
| 15:04 | kf | ah right, yes, that will be in the 3.12 release. |
| 15:04 | and now I leave :) bye #koha | |
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| 15:57 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:57 | rambutan | As a degreed linguist, I must say that transliteration sucks. For the native speakers/readers of the language, it's typically undecipherable, and requires much the same effort of learning a second language. |
| 15:58 | Additionally, there are many "standard" ways of doing translation, and LoC may do it differently than the native speakers of the language would prefer. | |
| 15:59 | PE, FE KDU GEUK LEL! | |
| 16:00 | which, of course, a Korean person would look at and say: "What the heck is that" (translated here from the Korean thought to English, of course) | |
| 16:03 | where is everybody? was there a netsplit? | |
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| 16:07 | chris_n | heya rambutan |
| 16:09 | rambutan | chris_n! |
| 16:09 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
| 16:09 | chris_n | heh, very late at that |
| 16:09 | rambutan | strange, your nick isn't showing on my participants list. I need a new chat client. |
| 16:09 | * chris_n | hands rambutan x-chat |
| 16:10 | rambutan | yea, but I moved off xchat because it doesn't save server/channel connections and it disconnects badly |
| 16:11 | chris_n | I use bip as a backend for my xchat client |
| 16:11 | seems to improve it a bit | |
| 16:11 | rambutan | I loaded a machine with Mint 14 couple of days ago and saw some new clients in the repos, I'll probably check out some of those. |
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| 16:26 | rambutan | and for amusement only, I recommend the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKATS |
| 16:37 | well, this is really cool: | |
| 16:37 | http://search.cpan.org/~you/En[…]e/Korean/SKATS.pm | |
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| 17:49 | mmm45 | hello |
| 17:50 | can someone tell me if BiblioDefaultDisplay exist in version 3.10.4 | |
| 17:50 | i am looking at the documentation for bug 9534 | |
| 17:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
| 17:51 | mmm45 | i cannot find the location of BiblioDefaultDisplay. It is only something for 3.12? |
| 17:51 | to be introduced? | |
| 18:07 | chris_n | python stinks for flexibility |
| 18:07 | no pun intended | |
| 18:09 | mmm45: for 3.12 | |
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| 18:31 | oleonard | This place is like a tomb today. |
| 18:32 | * druthb | waves at oleonard |
| 18:35 | * oleonard | isn't really here |
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| 18:57 | * druthb | isn't, either. |
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| 19:06 | * gmcharlt | waves from Vancouver |
| 19:06 | * druthb | waves at gmcharlt, eh? |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | mmm45 that is set in systempreferences |
| 19:07 | and it is definitely in 3.10 | |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | druthb: heh -- I'm not sure I *need* to incorporate yet *another* accent into my own ;) |
| 19:09 | druthb | gmcharlt: of course you do. Then move to Texas and tack on a y'all or ten, |
| 19:10 | I thought about, for April Fool's this year, doing an en_TX translation of Koha. | |
| 19:11 | gmcharlt | druthb++ |
| 19:11 | (and I already caught the y'all bug in Georgia) | |
| 19:11 | * gmcharlt | has even been known to utter "all y'all" |
| 19:11 | druthb | "An error occurred while trying to process your request." becomes "Uh-oh! Y'all in trouble now! Sumpin ain't right hyar." |
| 19:12 | did you use all-y'all correctly? | |
| 19:12 | * druthb | makes squinty eyes at gmcharlt. |
| 19:12 | gmcharlt | druthb: I did! :) |
| 19:12 | druthb | Aight. |
| 19:12 | * gmcharlt | heads out to lunch |
| 19:13 | oleonard | That would have been quite a time-consuming April Fools joke druthb |
| 19:14 | druthb | Indeed, oleonard, and my plate is pretty full already, which is why it didn't happen. |
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| 19:16 | chris_n | wizzyera: my 3.10.2 syspref search could not find it |
| 19:16 | * chris_n | is not sure about .4 |
| 19:16 | chris_n | wizzyrea even |
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| 19:21 | chris_n | fwiw: http://tinyurl.com/bvz9qgw |
| 19:22 | oleonard | BiblioDefaultView chris_n? |
| 19:22 | * chris_n | just found that one |
| 19:22 | chris_n | looks like its mistyped in the bug |
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| 19:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 19:24 | chris_n | and the misspelling is immortalized in master now :-) |
| 19:24 | oleonard | What bug is this? |
| 19:27 | chris_n | bug 9534 |
| 19:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9534 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , No way to get back to bib detail from edit record screen |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Wow. It sure is quiet in here. |
| 19:40 | rangi | string freeze in 10 days jcamins ? |
| 19:40 | jcamins | That doesn't seem right. |
| 19:41 | Is it already the 20th? | |
| 19:41 | No. | |
| 19:41 | It's not. | |
| 19:41 | May 1. | |
| 19:41 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:43 | mtompset | Spelling is a problem with international versions of English. Is there a particular standard preferred in the default EN installation? |
| 19:43 | jcamins | US. |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Yeah, because we're pushy that way |
| 19:44 | rangi | ahh right |
| 19:44 | * mtompset | chuckles, "Yes, yes you guys are. :P" |
| 19:44 | rangi | yeah it was NZ english but I was overruled |
| 19:44 | :) | |
| 19:44 | but i just translate it all anyway | |
| 19:45 | mtompset | Out of curiosity, what is the "correct" way to spell catalogue with an -ing on the end? |
| 19:45 | oleonard | cataloggging |
| 19:45 | rangi | cataloguing (but in americanese cataloging) |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Actually, "cataloguing" is acceptable in US English too. |
| 19:46 | But "catalogue" is not. | |
| 19:46 | Go figure. | |
| 19:46 | druthb | "detail-freakin'", in en_TX |
| 19:46 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:46 | * druthb | watches the detail-freak^W^Wcataloger laugh |
| 19:46 | mtompset | Oops... I should have said catalog[ue]. ;) |
| 19:47 | Anyone remember the Apple ][? CATALOG was the equivalent of ls. :) | |
| 19:50 | oleonard | We've made much progress since then, excluding the Windows command line. |
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| 19:53 | druthb | …and excluding Windows Me. |
| 19:53 | oleonard | I think you mean Windows[odd] |
| 19:53 | druthb | lol |
| 19:54 | oleonard | Sorry, that should have been Windows[even]? |
| 19:54 | druthb | Even, I think. Win 7 wasn't too awful. |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Windows 2000 was better than '95, though. |
| 19:55 | And '98 | |
| 19:56 | tcohen | i had a fine tuned windowsMe box for a while which worked flawlessly |
| 19:56 | rangi | i skipped that whole windows fad, didnt miss a thing :) |
| 19:56 | druthb | I had a decent one, too, that served me well for about three years. |
| 19:57 | jcamins | tcohen: so you stuck a Windows Me sticker on a computer running Linux? |
| 19:57 | tcohen | upgraded to Mandrake 6.1 |
| 19:57 | jcamins | Good call. |
| 19:57 | tcohen | heh |
| 19:57 | Mandrake > Debian > Gentoo > Debian > Ubuntu | |
| 19:58 | rangi | Debian > Debian > Gentoo thought wtf is this > Debian > Ubuntu > Debian |
| 19:59 | with zx spectrum, and solaris, before that | |
| 20:00 | oh i had a mac for that year that is best forgotten | |
| 20:00 | but that was just a really really expensive host for a debian vm | |
| 20:01 | the best part of that year was going to oleonard's house | |
| 20:01 | oleonard | :) |
| 20:02 | rangi | and helping nengard move house |
| 20:03 | * tcohen | still misses Gentoo, just a little |
| 20:03 | rangi | you can simulate it |
| 20:04 | tcohen | you mean, keep compiling stuff ? |
| 20:04 | rangi | jsut install everything with apt-src :) |
| 20:04 | tcohen | :-D |
| 20:04 | u have a point | |
| 20:12 | * jcamins | is not certain that would work. |
| 20:12 | jcamins | Isn't one of Gentoo's key features the way everything breaks if you don't recompile every single package whenever you want to update anything? |
| 20:15 | maximep | so not true =) |
| 20:15 | jcamins | maximep: sorry, that's Arch, isn't it? |
| 20:15 | :P | |
| 20:15 | maximep | well |
| 20:15 | it's a good idea to run revdep-rebuild to check if something is broken :p | |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Actually, I thought Arch was "everything breaks every time you upgrade anything no matter what." |
| 20:16 | maximep | after each update :p |
| 20:16 | Arch is more, break everything by using alpha versions of everything | |
| 20:17 | couldn't use any other distro. Love my gentoo :D | |
| 20:30 | * jcamins | ponders eliminating modals. |
| 20:32 | jcamins | If I eliminate modals, Javascript will be that much less necessary. |
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| 21:15 | mtompset | modals? |
| 21:31 | cait joined #koha | |
| 21:32 | cait | hi #kohs |
| 21:32 | #koha | |
| 21:36 | tcohen_ | hi cait |
| 21:36 | bgkriegel | hi cait |
| 21:36 | cait | :) |
| 21:36 | tcohen_ | is it May 22 already? |
| 21:37 | bgkriegel | release? |
| 21:37 | wahanui | well, release is the 22nd nz time every month |
| 21:38 | tcohen_ | exactly |
| 21:39 | mtompset | Greetings, cait tcohen_ bgkriegel jcamins etc. :) |
| 21:39 | bgkriegel | hi mtompset |
| 21:40 | cait | tcohen: we still have some time to fix them all ... the bugs :) |
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| 21:47 | tcohen_ | hmm, my phone took my nickname over |
| 21:47 | cait | bad phone |
| 21:47 | :) | |
| 21:47 | or good phone? | |
| 21:47 | maybe too late | |
| 21:48 | tcohen_ | cait: is there an official list of standing bugs? |
| 21:52 | cait | hm |
| 21:52 | not a "this must be fixed" one | |
| 21:52 | or official like that | |
| 21:52 | but there is of course bugzilla and you can sort by severity | |
| 21:52 | tcohen_ | is "FIXME NOW" a good source ? |
| 21:53 | cait | is that a saved list? |
| 21:53 | let me check | |
| 21:53 | tcohen_ | its blocker+critical |
| 21:54 | cait | yep a good one |
| 21:54 | there are probabyl some major ones too | |
| 21:55 | tcohen_ | hmm, pistachios |
| 21:56 | cait | hmm, chocolate :) |
| 22:00 | bug 8277 | |
| 22:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8277 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , item form not always showing when ordering |
| 22:01 | cait | bug 8368 |
| 22:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8368 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , List email broken for non english templates |
| 22:03 | tcohen_ | the latter ins't a translation scripts problem, right? |
| 22:05 | cait | not really |
| 22:05 | we need to replace it with a proper template | |
| 22:05 | it has been done for the cart already | |
| 22:05 | but not for the list | |
| 22:05 | the translation scripts are not made to translate plain text, but html | |
| 22:06 | tcohen_ | i'll take a look |
| 22:06 | cait | bug 8062 is the one with a possible fix |
| 22:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8062 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Cart email broken for non english templates |
| 22:07 | cait | tcohen_: that would be cool :) |
| 22:08 | hm bug 9185 and bug 8684 | |
| 22:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9185 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate barcode check broken on order receive |
| 22:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8684 major, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check for creating items on order broken | |
| 22:09 | cait | and both filed by me... oi. |
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| 22:24 | Brooke | o/ |
| 22:26 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 22:26 | Brooke | howdy :) |
| 22:33 | * Brooke | is slightly regretting taking thousands of photos. |
| 22:34 | Brooke | there's a good RFID overview from Dhaka Digi Services. :) DDS++ |
| 22:36 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:42 | tcohen | don't we have SMTP settings in the preferenceS? |
| 22:42 | yet?E | |
| 22:45 | cait | nope |
| 22:46 | we use the mta from the server | |
| 22:46 | i mean the mta | |
| 22:46 | that is on the server | |
| 22:51 | tcohen | ok, got postfix to send through gmail (from my laptop) |
| 22:56 | eythian | hi |
| 22:58 | tcohen | hi eythian |
| 23:00 | cait | hi eythian |
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| 23:07 | eythian | If only I knew where to find a QA person to look at bug 9250 ... |
| 23:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
| 23:13 | cait | hm it's packaging |
| 23:13 | with a sign-off | |
| 23:14 | wouldn't that be covered by your privileges? | |
| 23:14 | :) | |
| 23:15 | eythian | well, if you think that's the case, I'll pass it :) it doesn't touch anything outside the package directory |
| 23:16 | cait | what do you think? |
| 23:16 | I am too tired to think :) | |
| 23:16 | eythian | I just passed it :) |
| 23:18 | cait | someone needs to take a look at all unimarc and sip related patches. hm. |
| 23:18 | we clearly have 2 groups there | |
| 23:18 | tcohen | eythian, I'd like to test the packages related docs. Is there a source of up to date data on the koha-create switches usage? |
| 23:19 | eythian | well, this isn't SIP per se, just some stuff to make it easy to manage from the packages. |
| 23:19 | tcohen | i had troubles creating instances with an external DB |
| 23:19 | eythian | tcohen: the man page is probably the best place. |
| 23:19 | cait | eythian: I know... just talking to myself. we have 2 groups of patches looking a bit stuck right now - unimarc and sip related |
| 23:19 | eythian | ah right |
| 23:21 | tcohen: we run with an external db, basically koha-create --create-db can't work in that case, so you use --request-db, create the db on the server, then use --populate-db to finish it up | |
| 23:21 | You could also use --use-db. | |
| 23:23 | tcohen | do u belive we could add db related switches to koha-create so all parameters are passed @ command line? |
| 23:24 | eythian | you also need to have /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf set up to contain the database host you want to use. |
| 23:24 | cait | tomorrow? |
| 23:24 | wahanui | somebody said tomorrow was pizza friday! or the day after today. |
| 23:24 | eythian | many options already are specifiable. |
| 23:24 | cait | tomorrow is also a mystical land where 99% of all human productivity, motivation and achievement is stored. |
| 23:24 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 23:25 | eythian | I'm not averse to having more, although I would tend to recommend that the config files remain the main source. |
| 23:25 | It could probably do with more documentation though | |
| 23:26 | also, it wouldn't be trivial to do safely | |
| 23:26 | because you don't want to put the mysql password on the command line | |
| 23:26 | tcohen | that's my main concern, i see myself as a power user and strugled to get it working |
| 23:26 | (language issues probably) | |
| 23:27 | eythian | I'm not sure if setting up external database servers is documented anywhere. |
| 23:27 | tcohen | it isnt, but the docs suggest --use-db should be used for that |
| 23:27 | i think i'd add the hostname to the koha/passwd file | |
| 23:28 | eythian | no, the docs specifically suggest that you should use the other options :) |
| 23:28 | If the database you want to use does not reside on localhost, you can | |
| 23:28 | use --request-db and --populate-db, see below. | |
| 23:29 | the hostname is in the mysql config file as it passes that to mysql to connect. | |
| 23:29 | ah, there is some docs on the wiki about using a separate server, but it is missing a critical step | |
| 23:30 | it's not generally a requirement to use the passwd file | |
| 23:31 | that said, it might be worth putting in there too optionally. | |
| 23:32 | tcohen | i don't have an opinion on the best approach, its just that it wasn't easy as it should have been |
| 23:32 | maybe mixed docs | |
| 23:33 | incomplete docs, etc | |
| 23:33 | eythian | yeah, the docs need a cleanup |
| 23:34 | tcohen | having db switches in koha-create would make it scriptable, thuo |
| 23:34 | eythian | yeah |
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| 23:35 | tcohen | I did a 38 instances test install, that's the whole thing |
| 23:35 | have my librarians testing 3.12 | |
| 23:35 | eythian | nice |
| 23:37 | so at the moment it pulls the hostname from the /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf file, and also uses that to connect mysql to the db in localhost setups. So having options that created a temp mysql .cnf file that was used instead might work. | |
| 23:37 | probably the easiest method, anyway. | |
| 23:38 | tcohen | yes, for the not-already-created-db scenario |
| 23:39 | so, --create-db and --request-db is for non-existent db's. And --use-db for using an already created DB | |
| 23:40 | eythian | I am thinking that it might not be necessary to write out the temp file though. Might be enough to add command line options to the mysql calls. |
| 23:40 | that's right, yeah | |
| 23:41 | tcohen | exactly |
| 23:41 | if we added hostname to the passwd file that use case would be covered | |
| 23:42 | (--use-db) | |
| 23:43 | eythian | yeah, though if you're doing that, it's worth adding a command line option too. Many people don't use the passwd file. |
| 23:44 | tcohen | eythian: if we had all that option combinations clearly documented, we could have a bash-completion file too :-D |
| 23:44 | eythian | that'd be good :) |
| 23:44 | tcohen | its a pity we live in different timezones |
| 23:46 | eythian | well, it's been suggested that everyone move to NZ, but apparently some people weren't so keen on the idea for some reason. |
| 23:47 | bag | bug 9839 |
| 23:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9839 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , when importing MARC records, item record not created even when set to "always add" |
| 23:48 | bag | I need that one QA'd sometime :) |
| 23:50 | dcook | eythian: I don't know about moving per se, but visits sound nice ;) |
| 23:54 | tcohen | yes, you're all welcome to argentina, really |
| 23:54 | :-P | |
| 23:59 | * dcook | voted for argentina for Kohacon13 ;) |
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