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| 01:45 | vald_tmj | Hi there, I'm wondering if it's possible to transfer data from our current systems which are Athena and TESS student information systems? Is it going to be difficult to transfer our student information to your system? |
| 01:46 | wizzyrea | can you get the data out in CSV? |
| 01:46 | from TESS | |
| 01:46 | or some delimited format? | |
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| 01:46 | * wizzyrea | waves to eythian |
| 01:47 | eythian_ | hi |
| 01:48 | vald_tmj | I'll do some checking and will get back to you in a few minutes. |
| 01:50 | What are our options if we can't? | |
| 01:52 | rangi | if you cant get the data out, then there's no way to get it in :-) |
| 01:52 | you have to get the data out in a sane format, or there is no hope | |
| 01:53 | so no binary mess, but some kind of consistently delimited text format, and then you can get it in | |
| 01:54 | vald_tmj | Yes we can get both systems out in a tab delimitetd. |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | athena shouldn't be a big problem |
| 01:56 | vald_tmj | I have a few more questions, 1) What kind of instruction is there available with Koha regarding the transfer of data? Do you walk us through it, send us step by step instruction? |
| 01:56 | 2) Would you like to see the data from our systems we are currently using? | |
| 01:56 | rangi | im sure if you wanted to pay one of the many support companies to walk you throw it step by step one of them would |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#imp-migration |
| 01:57 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#patronimport | |
| 01:58 | rangi | Koha is of course a free and open source software project, and is not owned by any one company/organisation .. so when you say "would you" we need to know who you mean when you say you :-) |
| 01:58 | you are currently talking in the project irc channel, so it could be any of a bunch of people :-) | |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | paid support? |
| 01:58 | wahanui | please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 01:59 | also there's a manual :P | |
| 02:00 | vald_tmj | Ok, what I meant by "you" is if there is information available or someone available to help us if/when we need it. Thanks for the above mentioned information regarding support companies. |
| 02:00 | wizzyrea | ayep - the answer to "is there someone to help" is definitely "yes" |
| 02:00 | :) | |
| 02:01 | vald_tmj | 3) We are a school in China. Are there companies in China that offer Koha support in Asia in Chinese and English? |
| 02:01 | rangi | yes |
| 02:02 | not in mainland china that i know of, but in taiwan | |
| 02:02 | vald_tmj | Can you provide me with more information? |
| 02:02 | rangi | http://trac.koha-tw.org/ |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]t/continent/#asia |
| 02:03 | thttp://koha.wikispaces.com/ | |
| 02:03 | rangi | http://koha.wikispaces.com/ even :) |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | yes that |
| 02:03 | lol | |
| 02:03 | sorry! | |
| 02:04 | rangi | http://lins.koha-tw.org/cgi-bi[…]nguage=zh-Hans-TW |
| 02:04 | for a demo | |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | hm that is doing something odd with redirects |
| 02:05 | rangi | http://lins.koha-tw.org/ try it just like that then :) |
| 02:05 | vald_tmj | Do the schools do the translations themselves or is there a Koha representative who translates information? |
| 02:06 | rangi | http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | users translate koha |
| 02:06 | users meaning, parties who care enough to get involved to translate | |
| 02:09 | tcohen | it needs a referrer |
| 02:10 | (that's why 9735 should be pushed actually :-P) | |
| 02:11 | vald_tmj | I'm not sure what you mean by 9735. |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | bug 9735 |
| 02:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
| 02:11 | tcohen | sorry vald_tmj, was talking to wizzyrea |
| 02:13 | vald_tmj | Thanks so much - this was quite helpful for now. |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | you are welcome :) |
| 02:20 | tcohen | i learned jquery today, doing this http://i.imgur.com/r6DHZjq.png |
| 02:21 | eythian_ | yay for that, the old way sucks |
| 02:21 | tcohen | i promised to fix it in a proper way, but jcamins told me 'for 3.14' |
| 02:21 | heh, so I did it with some jQuery | |
| 02:22 | at least our users will enjoy it | |
| 02:37 | bye #koha | |
| 02:48 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | oh god, seriously tcohen++ |
| 02:49 | the old way was seriously suck. | |
| 02:49 | seriously serious! | |
| 02:49 | jcamins | I'd be willing to call that a bugfix. |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea | me too. |
| 02:49 | jcamins | "No one can figure out what the hell is supposed to go in 'hidden.'" |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea | and it reeeallly simplifies the help file |
| 02:52 | omg love love love that. | |
| 02:52 | it's just as pretty irl as it is in the screencap. | |
| 02:52 | * wizzyrea | makes a note to actually hug tcohen |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | someday. |
| 03:00 | jcamins | Feel free to sign off. :) |
| 03:00 | * jcamins | goes to bed. |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | and it works too. that's lovely |
| 03:03 | eythian_ | always a bonus :) |
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| 05:05 | mtj | wizzyrea, about tonite? |
| 05:08 | (at 6pm NZ time, shes probably not) | |
| 05:10 | hmm, a random plack question here… | |
| 05:11 | is it common for the plackup processes(s) to use some cpu when idle? | |
| 05:12 | ive got 2 here, that are both using 17% cpu… doing nothing | |
| 05:12 | i dont remember that being so previously? :/ | |
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| 06:57 | alohabot | Hi mib_2m66bl, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 06:57 | tzm | hi |
| 06:58 | hi | |
| 07:06 | mtj | hi tzm |
| 07:07 | tzm | hi what is the meaning of sort1 and sort 2 fiels in Add Academic Staff patron>Library management |
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| 07:13 | mtj | manual? |
| 07:13 | wahanui | manual is probably at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 07:13 | mtj | tzm, have you have a look Koha's manual yet? |
| 07:13 | it explains it there, i think | |
| 07:15 | tzm | it says: |
| 07:15 | Sort 1 and 2 are used for statistical purposes within your library | |
| 07:15 | what should i enter in the field | |
| 07:16 | I dont know for what statistical purposes is it used and where is it used | |
| 07:17 | mtj | hmm, yeah, thats not a great explaination for those fields |
| 07:17 | sorry, i dont know what to input into sort 1 and 2 fields... | |
| 07:18 | ...anyone else know? | |
| 07:18 | i think you can add anything you want to them, basically | |
| 07:18 | rangi | they are optional you cna use them for statistical purposes, put things in them that you might want to report on later |
| 07:19 | mtj | yes, thats the one! :) |
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| 07:19 | tzm | any example? |
| 07:19 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:19 | mtj | if you cant think of anything important to add to those fields, then just ignore them :) |
| 07:20 | tzm | ok thank u all |
| 07:20 | mtj | tzm, 'FAT_PERSON' or 'SKINNY_PERSON' perhaps… ? |
| 07:20 | no, sorry - just kidding! :p | |
| 07:20 | tzm | :) |
| 07:21 | mtj | then you could run a report on your patrons - to see how many fat or skinny customers you have :) |
| 07:22 | but hey… you get the idea tzm | |
| 07:22 | tzm | yes i get the idea |
| 07:23 | it can be used for taking reports | |
| 07:24 | but anywhere in koha is there any statistical analysis, where as it claims can be used | |
| 07:24 | mtj | yes, if you want to track some important info about your patrons, but have nowhere to track that info…. |
| 07:24 | … use sort1 and sort2 | |
| 07:24 | tzm | ok gr8 |
| 07:25 | i have aother doubt | |
| 07:26 | Again in Add Academic Staff patron - In Additional attributes and identifiers | |
| 07:26 | what does UNT (UNIT) mean? | |
| 07:30 | does it just mean in which UNIT the patron has designation DESIGNATION | |
| 07:31 | rangi | what version of koha are you using? |
| 07:31 | tzm | out for lunch.. |
| 07:31 | koha 3.0.2 | |
| 07:32 | 3.02.06.000 | |
| 07:32 | mtj | tzm, woah, thats very old |
| 07:33 | tzm | i cant upgrade as i have made so many changes ,difficulkt to track, where |
| 07:33 | any method to track changed files? | |
| 07:33 | only | |
| 07:33 | and upgrade later | |
| 07:34 | mtj | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 07:37 | tzm | i am continuing with my current version |
| 07:37 | because iam afraid i will loose the changes i have made to the code. | |
| 07:37 | loggin out. | |
| 07:38 | c u after lunch | |
| 07:40 | cjh | you could clone the git repo, check out v3.02.00, copy over your files into the tree, and the git status would tell you what files have changed. |
| 07:41 | rangi | there are security problems with 3.2.6 |
| 07:41 | tzm | oh |
| 07:42 | i am running koha in debian linux 6 | |
| 07:42 | rangi | ok |
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| 07:43 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:43 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
| 07:43 | rangi | that doesnt change that fact :) |
| 07:43 | tzm | from which directory should i copy my koha files to the tree<cjh> |
| 07:44 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-2-11/ |
| 07:46 | tzm | is it the latest stable version that u suggest, rangi |
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| 07:48 | rangi | no im just showing the security problem 3.2.11 is still very old |
| 07:48 | you should at least fix that problem in your 3.2.6 | |
| 07:50 | cjh | tzm: that depends where and how koha is installed, it will probably be a case of taking each directory withing /usr/share/koha/ and cping it over to the appropriate place within the git tree. |
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| 07:52 | francharb | good morning #koha |
| 07:53 | tzm | ok <cjh>: |
| 07:54 | cjh | tzm: im not sure how much koha has changed since 3.2.x, but in current master compared to a package install we have: http://pastebin.com/wRWqUrd3 not sure how helpful that is. |
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| 07:57 | tzm | but i deviated from my qn :<tzm>: what does UNT (UNIT) mean? <tzm>: does it just mean in which UNIT the patron has designation DESIGNATION |
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| 08:05 | mtj | tzm, afaik that has been removed from Koha ^^ |
| 08:07 | tzn, not many people here are running a Koha version that old… so, not many people can help you | |
| 08:13 | tzm | ok |
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| 08:19 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:22 | tzm | bye 4 now tk care all, |
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| 08:29 | mtj | wooh, bug 7241 pushed |
| 08:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number |
| 08:30 | mtj | asaurat++ |
| 08:30 | sophie_m | \o/ |
| 08:31 | asaurat | aaaah :) |
| 08:31 | thx | |
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| 12:38 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:54 | jcamins | oleonard: how do we get the datatables controls all on the bottom? |
| 12:55 | I just noticed that the QoTD editor has a different set of controls. | |
| 12:55 | oleonard | I don't know off the top of my head, I'd have to check the docs. |
| 12:55 | The QoTD has tons of customizations on it | |
| 12:56 | jcamins | sPaginationType: 'four_button' |
| 12:57 | oleonard | That changes the kind of pagination buttons, but not where they appear |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 12:58 | Right. | |
| 12:58 | 'sDom': 't<"bottom pager"ilpf>' <-- maybe | |
| 12:58 | oleonard | Yes |
| 12:58 | tcohen | oleonard: will marc_subfield_structure.tt get fancy as the marc editor? |
| 12:59 | oleonard | jcamins: where "t" means "the table is here" (relative to the other elements in that string) |
| 12:59 | tcohen: I don't know what you mean by that | |
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| 12:59 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 13:00 | tcohen | heh, on the marc editor the "save" button + bar is available at the bottom of the page |
| 13:00 | samuel | short question:as it's the first time for me to do that and, in waiting to have a git install, how can i apply a patch? |
| 13:03 | oleonard | samuel: You have a git installation for testing, and you want to apply a patch? |
| 13:04 | samuel | not for the moment, but, manually, i have to do this "patch < /path/to/file "? |
| 13:05 | jcamins | samuel: no. You use git am -i /path/to/file |
| 13:05 | samuel | ok |
| 13:06 | jcamins | -i3 |
| 13:06 | Always a good idea to do a three-way merge. | |
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| 13:08 | oleonard | Hi cait |
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| 13:13 | oleonard | tcohen: You're asking if marc_subfield_structure.tt can get the floating toolbar too? |
| 13:13 | tcohen | ahhh, that should've been the wording |
| 13:13 | yes | |
| 13:14 | oleonard | tcohen: I don't mind if you want to file an enhancement bug and assign it to me |
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| 13:57 | nengard | fyi all - my focus this week is getting the help files done bug 9850 has the patches so far |
| 13:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9850 critical, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Needs Signoff , Koha 3.12 Help Files Update |
| 13:58 | alaquerre | Hi all. Question for you. We currently have big problem using inventory system. Mainly because user do not nessary use the "perfect LCC" or the "perfect dewee". Example : In canada, they put "C" in front of the canadian document and we end up having all the "C" at the same place which is wrong. |
| 13:58 | I am currently imagining another column in Koha where the user would be able to "place" the document at the right place and overright the default cn_sort so we can get: "C180 1234 780", "180 1234 780-1","c180 1234 781" etc. What do you think of the idea ? | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | nengard++ |
| 14:00 | nengard | :) |
| 14:00 | jcamins | alaquerre: my initial instinct is that what you want can probably be accomplished using location and collection codes in addition to call numbers. |
| 14:02 | (and part numbers) | |
| 14:02 | alaquerre | jcamins : My real idea : I would like that user from the library literally "ran" in shelf by just scanning codebar and if a document is misplaced, missing having a loud BEEP :-) To do that, I need a "perfect" sort... |
| 14:03 | jcamins | That would be very cool. |
| 14:04 | alaquerre | jcamins : currently the process of printing a document is hard for my community... most of them did not do any inventory for the last 2 years... |
| 14:04 | jcamins | I think probably the way to do it would be to make cn_sort editable within certain parameters. |
| 14:05 | That would almost certainly have to be a local modification, though, because the system would have to know all your shelflisting peculiarities. | |
| 14:08 | alaquerre | I'll keep thinking about it. ( the sorting) but what do you think of of module that will alert the user when he scan a "wrong document" ? |
| 14:08 | jcamins | I think it would be incredibly useful, and incredibly difficult. |
| 14:10 | alaquerre | Why's that ? :-) Let's say the sort is perfect... I was thinking reusing the "shelf browser" in opac and display the document while the user scan them. ( just gray out the lost, borrow one etc. ) |
| 14:10 | Am I missing something ? | |
| 14:11 | jcamins | Sadly, I think you are. If something is missing, what happens? |
| 14:12 | So all the books are in the right order, but one book is missing. | |
| 14:12 | alaquerre | Just alert the user that is currently doing the inventory. |
| 14:13 | jcamins | Right, but what happens to the book that was just scanned? |
| 14:13 | It gets marked as seen, and the inventory tool jumps ahead to that book? | |
| 14:13 | alaquerre | Adding automatically a note to the items "Item missing while inventory" or somgthing like that. |
| 14:13 | Yes | |
| 14:14 | So the logic is to find "hole" and for those "hole" adding something for later work... | |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Okay, what if one book is misshelved one shelf above where it belongs, so there are forty books that should have been scanned first? |
| 14:14 | If you skip ahead when books are missing, won't those forty books get marked as missing? | |
| 14:14 | alaquerre | I would act only with the previous |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Here's the scenario I'm thinking of. We have books A-Z. |
| 14:15 | alaquerre | You will know that the misshelfved book is at the wrong place... |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Actually, A-H. |
| 14:15 | In scenario 1, they're shelved: A B C D E F G H | |
| 14:16 | Everything is good. | |
| 14:16 | In scenario 2, they're shelved: A C D E F G H | |
| 14:16 | Book B is missing, but that's okay, because we've marked it. | |
| 14:16 | In scenario 3, they're shelved: A H B C D E F G | |
| 14:17 | When you scan in book H, the computer doesn't know whether the order is A H B or A H I | |
| 14:17 | And that's why I think it would be very difficult. | |
| 14:18 | alaquerre | We will have "Alert : Scan should be B, H is at the wrong place." |
| 14:18 | THen let the user do he's job to replace it. | |
| 14:19 | Maybe we should always let the user do the proper "action"... Mark as lost or whatever and force the user to skip it... | |
| 14:20 | "Something wrong - What you want to do ?" with couple of generic action. We will end up forcing the full review A- H | |
| 14:21 | jcamins | That could work. |
| 14:22 | alaquerre | Let me keep thinking about it :-) THanks for your input always appreciate it! |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Okay... silly question... where do I set the statistical patron? |
| 14:35 | I could've sworn there was a syspref something like "StatisticalPatron," but apparently not. | |
| 14:36 | oleonard | A statistical patron category? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | oleonard: right, but don't I have to make a statistical patron default? |
| 14:37 | oleonard | No idea |
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| 14:37 | jcamins | That makes two of us. |
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| 14:41 | druthb_mib | o/ |
| 14:45 | oleonard | Hey druthb_mib |
| 14:47 | * druthb_mib | grins at oleonard. |
| 14:47 | druthb_mib | How are ya? |
| 14:48 | oleonard | I'm good. |
| 14:49 | druthb_mib | :) |
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| 14:51 | rambutan | @seen jcammins |
| 14:51 | huginn | rambutan: I have not seen jcammins. |
| 14:51 | rambutan | @seen jcamins |
| 14:51 | huginn | rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 13 minutes and 53 seconds ago: <jcamins> That makes two of us. |
| 14:52 | oleonard | rambutan always @seens first and asks questions later ;) |
| 14:52 | * druthb_mib | chuckles. |
| 14:53 | druthb_mib | @quote random |
| 14:53 | huginn | druthb_mib: Quote #50: "<pianohackr|work> It is a landmine, I tell you" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 04:44 PM, December 23, 2009) |
| 14:53 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 14:53 | rambutan | much better, methinks, than asking questions and @seens later ?? |
| 14:54 | oleonard | I ask questions first and @later later :) |
| 14:56 | Should we close as WONTFIX bugs which are specific to 3.4.x? | |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | oleonard: seems reasonable (with comment saying *why* a bug was set to WONTFIX) |
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| 15:26 | bag | morning |
| 15:26 | wahanui | morning is a state of cat |
| 15:28 | * druthb_mib | waves at bag |
| 15:28 | bag | hey Ruth |
| 15:36 | rambutan | wahanui: wake up buddy! Do tell me about bug 9889 |
| 15:36 | wahanui | rambutan: excuse me? |
| 15:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9889 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, Cannot get any results in Authority searches |
| 15:36 | rambutan | oh, hunnin, sorry |
| 15:37 | since our upgrade to 3.10, we have been unable to search authorities. Any suggestions? | |
| 15:55 | oleonard | Some bugs we visit every year if only to say, "You're still an awesome bug! We haven't forgotten you!" |
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| 15:56 | * cait | waves |
| 16:00 | druthb_mib | :D :D |
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| 16:02 | cait | hi melia and druthb_ |
| 16:02 | melia | hello cait |
| 16:02 | druthb_mib | hi, melia. :) |
| 16:03 | melia | hi druthb_mib! |
| 16:12 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:51 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:10 | oleonard | Is there a batch biblio export command line script which has more features than the staff client tool? |
| 17:11 | cait | hm |
| 17:11 | haven't run into something like that yet | |
| 17:11 | have you checked the misc etc. ? | |
| 17:15 | oleonard | Yeah, nothing jumped out at me |
| 17:15 | cait | checking right now too, don't see anything |
| 17:15 | oleonard | Oh well, no big deal. |
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| 17:27 | jcamins | rambutan: did you reindex? |
| 17:27 | rambutan | jsut finished |
| 17:27 | cait | hi jcamins |
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| 17:55 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 17:59 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 17:59 | druthb_mib | cait++ |
| 18:01 | oleonard | Did I miss something? Or is it just that time of day that we regularly acknowledge that cait is awesome? |
| 18:01 | jcamins | The latter. |
| 18:01 | * cait | hides |
| 18:01 | druthb_mib | yuss. 1400EasternUS/1300Central. |
| 18:01 | * druthb_mib | drags cait out of hiding. |
| 18:02 | cait | hmpf? |
| 18:04 | I just tested something for jcamins and broke it | |
| 18:05 | jcamins | And cait is generally awesome and deserves karma. |
| 18:05 | mtompset | Which is worse, you breaking it, or some newbie user of Koha? |
| 18:05 | Testing is always good. | |
| 18:05 | druthb_mib | "generally awesome?" Nay. "Awesomely awesome!" |
| 18:05 | jcamins | It's not Koha in this case, but testing is definitely good. |
| 18:06 | mtompset | But the same logic applies, have the tester bust it, or a client who may or may not be able to fix it. |
| 18:06 | cait++ # just because you test things. :) | |
| 18:07 | cait | jcamins++ for building things i can break ;) |
| 18:09 | druthb_mib | :) |
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| 18:17 | mtompset | BTW, greetings, cait, tcohen, jcamins, druthb_mib, and oleonard in completely random order. :) |
| 18:17 | druthb_mib | hi, mtompset! :) |
| 18:17 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 18:17 | the CentOS - OpenSuSE lover | |
| 18:17 | heh | |
| 18:17 | mtompset | Oh please! |
| 18:18 | tcohen | just kidding, just kodding |
| 18:18 | mtompset | Having jumped back and forth between using yum and apt-get... I initially thought I preferred yum, but apt-get seems more right. |
| 18:18 | And don't get me started on the wrongness of zypper. | |
| 18:19 | Why can't everyone just agree on a single packaging method? It would make life easier for the children. :) | |
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| 18:24 | tcohen | LSB for all |
| 18:24 | ah,no, they chose RPM | |
| 18:25 | * druthb_mib | heads to a meeting. |
| 18:33 | cait | marcelr++ |
| 18:33 | oleonard++ | |
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| 18:38 | rambutan | idle question: is there no man page for rebuild_zebra? it's ungoogleable |
| 18:38 | cait | ? |
| 18:38 | tcohen | rebuild_zebra.pl --help |
| 18:38 | cait | ^^ what tcohen said :) |
| 18:39 | rambutan | ah, ic, thanks. (for some of us old unixers man is the go-to command) |
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| 18:40 | cait | hi another_peter :) |
| 18:40 | you are up early | |
| 18:41 | another_peter | hi cait |
| 18:41 | it is a strategy to leave the house and run to a cafe before the three children begin the daily bedlam | |
| 18:42 | I also am looking for guidance about what is the desirable way of failing noisily in the context of the opac privacy module. | |
| 18:42 | does this mean an on-screen error block, or an HTTP 500, or a Carp? | |
| 18:42 | this is for the case where the administrator has not set a proper anonymous user | |
| 18:42 | cait | not sure what you want to do - can you explain a bit more? |
| 18:42 | jcamins | On-screen error block. |
| 18:42 | * another_peter | goes in search of the bugzilla |
| 18:43 | cait | ah right |
| 18:43 | * jcamins | leaves to catch the bus. |
| 18:43 | cait | another_peter: which bug number is that? |
| 18:43 | I seem to remember I filed something about that sometime... hm. | |
| 18:43 | another_peter | big 6506 |
| 18:44 | err, bug 6506 | |
| 18:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors |
| 18:44 | another_peter | jcamins: thanks. the reason i thought it might be otherwise is that this is something the administrator has to set, not the user. |
| 18:44 | (ah, he has gone already.) | |
| 18:45 | rambutan | @seen eveal |
| 18:45 | huginn | rambutan: I have not seen eveal. |
| 18:45 | cait | yeah, maybe we should phrase the error so that the user is encouraged to contact the library? |
| 18:45 | oleonard | @seen edveal |
| 18:45 | huginn | oleonard: edveal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 22 hours, 36 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <edveal> Yes sorry |
| 18:46 | oleonard | I guess huginn doesn't see you if you don't talk |
| 18:46 | another_peter | which seems like something that we might do automatically for 500 errors... |
| 18:46 | oleonard | Oh my god, huginn is a Tyrannosaurus! |
| 18:46 | cait | oleonard: ? |
| 18:47 | oleonard | Oh no that was movement, not sound. Jurassic Park reference. |
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| 18:48 | mtompset | Still an okay attempt. :P |
| 18:48 | cait | oh |
| 18:49 | sorry for missing it :) | |
| 18:50 | another_peter | cait: "The deletion of your reading history failed, because the system's privacy module is configured incorrectly. Please notify a librarian of this error." |
| 18:50 | cait | hm maybe a bit nicer? :) |
| 18:50 | I am not a native speaker tho :) | |
| 18:51 | another_peter | it is very early in the morning to be nice. |
| 18:51 | cait | The deletion for your reading history failed, because there is a problem with the configuration of this feature. Please help to fix it and inform your library about this error? |
| 18:52 | another_peter | OK, going with: "The deletion for your reading history failed, because there is a problem with the configuration of this feature. Please help to fix the system by informing your library of this error." |
| 18:52 | which is essentially your sentence nativespeakerised | |
| 18:52 | cait | hehe :) |
| 18:53 | wasn't too far off.. | |
| 18:53 | another_peter | quite so. now, how about the case that they have their history set to "never keep", and the error occurs during a return? |
| 18:54 | cait | hm |
| 18:54 | difficult | |
| 18:54 | you can't expect circ staff to be able to fix it | |
| 18:54 | oleonard | It's a good thing no one here wants to use the autoMemberNum preference because our db is so full of junk card numbers it would return ridiculous results |
| 18:54 | cait | there is a section for problems on the about page |
| 18:54 | maybe we shoudl also note those problems there | |
| 18:55 | another_peter: can't check master right now myself... my database think sit's 3.0.6 something :) | |
| 18:55 | but maybe take a look at the tabs on the about page | |
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| 18:58 | another_peter | cait: should the fact that history is not deleted on return be fixed on the same bug, or a different bug, than the inability for a user to delete their history backlog? |
| 18:58 | cait | maybe make it 2 to ease testing |
| 19:00 | and thank you for working on this :) | |
| 19:01 | another_peter | If I fix another 10 bugs, I am thinking of asking Catalyst for a promotion from project manager from junior developer :) |
| 19:01 | then i would be able to fix koha in my work time :) | |
| 19:03 | rambutan | that would be a promotion? |
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| 19:04 | * druthb_mib | squees happily |
| 19:06 | cait | another_peter: I like fixing bugs too :) all the other things tend to get in the way tho |
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| 19:08 | cait | anitsirk++ btw too |
| 19:08 | morning kathryn :) | |
| 19:08 | kathryn | hiya cait |
| 19:08 | cait | starting work early :) |
| 19:09 | kathryn | I should really make gnome open automatically :) |
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| 19:20 | another_peter | IMHO the bugzilla being not googleable seems retrograde. i assume this is to reduce load and traffic costs? |
| 19:21 | oleonard | another_peter: Because you can't find what you're looking for through Bugzilla's search? |
| 19:21 | cait | not sure it's intentional but maybe reducing load |
| 19:21 | rangi is running that | |
| 19:21 | oleonard | ...and he does it out of the goodness of his heart |
| 19:22 | cait | :) |
| 19:22 | another_peter | oleonard: mostly because i think that people should be able to google for koha related issues and find the bugzilla entry |
| 19:23 | rangi | yeah its running on my linode, if someone wants to give me more money, ill up the ram on it and let google see it again :-) |
| 19:24 | last time i let it, it pounded the poor thing to death | |
| 19:24 | cait | poor bugzilla |
| 19:24 | morning rangi | |
| 19:24 | rangi | morning |
| 19:24 | for 512MB its doing pertty good, runs the dashboard, bugzilla and a couple of bots | |
| 19:25 | but yeah its tuned very tightly and swap death is just a google index away :) | |
| 19:25 | another_peter | rangi: please advise what you need, i'll try and arrange it |
| 19:25 | cait | I never missed google searching it |
| 19:26 | rangi | i can see that it would be useful |
| 19:26 | https://www.linode.com/ im on the linode 512 plan | |
| 19:27 | another_peter | rangi: obviously if you wanted, catalyst could host it instead |
| 19:27 | rangi | (its my one server (well one of them)) |
| 19:27 | yep | |
| 19:27 | ill have a chat with don, we try to spread stuff around lots, not hosted by any one organisation/person .. after what happened last time | |
| 19:28 | another_peter | perhaps phrase like this then - |
| 19:29 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 19:29 | another_peter | i see $20/month in value in increasing the server size, so catalyst would be happy to contribute that towards your personal linode hosting costs (assuming moving from the 512 to the 1024 will do it) |
| 19:29 | jeff | i was pestering jcamins earlier via msg with something along these lines, but when people here think "koha API" or more generally "points at which koha integrates with other things", I've got the following things in a list: SIP2, ILS-DI, SRU/Z39.50, OAI-PMH... should I be looking at other things? |
| 19:30 | rangi | another_peter: oh good idea |
| 19:30 | jeff | i suppose some things may simply scrape the koha web interface, too. |
| 19:30 | rangi | yep |
| 19:30 | jeff: the svc/ dir | |
| 19:30 | in both the opac and intranet | |
| 19:31 | thats how marcedit talks to koha (via svc/ on the staff side) | |
| 19:31 | jeff | context: i'm thinking on (in advance of talking on) APIs and integration points for Evergreen and seeking additional examples and points of future collaboration with Koha |
| 19:31 | rangi | and in opac/svc/ there is report which will give you json output of any report you write in koha, and mark as public |
| 19:31 | jeff | rangi: thanks! i had forgotten about the marcedit integration! |
| 19:31 | rambutan | @seen edveal |
| 19:31 | huginn | rambutan: edveal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 22 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <edveal> Yes sorry |
| 19:32 | jeff | also useful. i didn't know about that bit. |
| 19:32 | rangi++ | |
| 19:32 | rangi | its only since 3.10.x |
| 19:32 | cait | it's also used for integrating that worlcat software... |
| 19:32 | rangi | ahh yeah, the staff svc |
| 19:32 | cait | I think |
| 19:32 | rangi | and oclc connexion |
| 19:32 | cait | right that one :) |
| 19:32 | jeff | rangi: do you have any real-world examples of how people are using the report-as-json bit? it seems incredibly useful and multi-purpose. library dashboard immediately comes to mind. |
| 19:33 | rangi | exactly |
| 19:33 | jeff: also, list of new books | |
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| 19:33 | jeff | new books, popular books, on-order... yep! |
| 19:33 | rangi | you can now get that as json, and display on your OPAC however you want |
| 19:34 | edveal | hey rambutan what's up? |
| 19:34 | rangi | jeff: or make a nice html5/firefoxOS app :) |
| 19:34 | cait | rangi: pm? :) |
| 19:35 | jeff | is anyone doing NCIP work with Koha (especially NCIP DCB3 for integration with regional resource sharing ILL systems)? |
| 19:35 | rangi | not really jeff, not that i know off |
| 19:35 | bag | rambutan: you around? |
| 19:36 | rangi | there was opennicp back in the day, but things (we wont go into it ;)) killed that project |
| 19:36 | jeff | i can try and ask the vendor, but is anyone here aware of how boopsie (the mobile app vendor) integrates with koha? screen scraping, other? |
| 19:36 | edveal | bag rambutan was just looking for me. But he is not responding right now. |
| 19:36 | rangi | jeff: dollars for donuts its screen scraping |
| 19:36 | but im not 100% on that | |
| 19:37 | tcohen | rangi, what are the specs of the bz server? |
| 19:37 | bag | cool thanks edveal - I sent him a private message too :P |
| 19:38 | jeff | well, openncip never spoke ncip, afaik. now it's called SIPServer, talks SIP2, and is begging to be joined with its long lost cousin C4::SIP ;-) |
| 19:38 | cait | heya bag *wave* |
| 19:38 | rangi | https://www.linode.com/ <-- tcohen linode 512, another_peter's idea is good i can bump it up to the 1gb and it will be perfect |
| 19:38 | bag | Hey Cait - how you doing… late there isn't it? |
| 19:39 | cait | not that late yet - 8:30 pm |
| 19:39 | bag | oh right :P time zone fail by me |
| 19:39 | cait | fighting off a cold, but looks like I am winning |
| 19:39 | bag | oh noes you got a cold? |
| 19:39 | I guess I'd trade what I had for that :) | |
| 19:39 | cait | guess it was my turn - seems everyone got one :) |
| 19:39 | you yeah - I totally prefer the cold too | |
| 19:40 | bag | HA |
| 19:40 | so true | |
| 19:47 | another_peter | my technical plan for fixing bug 6506 is now on there as a comment - this is my first perl change to koha, so I may not be understanding the normal approach, so feel free to critique |
| 19:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6506 critical, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, NEW , deleting patron history missing errors |
| 19:57 | * rangi | will have a look later, gotta go get ready for a presentation now |
| 19:58 | cait | good luck rangi |
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| 20:19 | oleonard | wizzyrea is here, must be time for me to go home! |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | nooo! |
| 20:19 | oleonard | It's nothing personal :) |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 20:19 | oleonard | Bye! |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | have a lovely evening |
| 20:20 | later :) | |
| 20:20 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:20 | :) | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | hello hello |
| 20:20 | druthb_mib | hi, wizzyrea ! :) |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | heya |
| 20:21 | * cait | is testing bu g9745 |
| 20:21 | cait | bug 9745 |
| 20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9745 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Don't nuke translated permissions with changes introduced in bug 9382 |
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| 20:26 | cait | morning eythian |
| 20:27 | eythian_ | hi |
| 20:27 | wahanui | hi, eythian_ |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | cait - thanks :) |
| 20:28 | cait | thank you :) |
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| 20:34 | jcamins | cait: where are the slides you put together on Koha? |
| 20:34 | You had a nice slide on APIs supported by Koha. | |
| 20:34 | cait | oh |
| 20:34 | sec | |
| 20:36 | jcamins | jeff: ^^ |
| 20:38 | jeff | cait++ |
| 20:38 | jcamins++ | |
| 20:38 | thanks :-) | |
| 20:38 | cait | missing json tho |
| 20:39 | jcamins | cait: oh, yeah. |
| 20:39 | cait | well i told them i probably forgot some :) |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Yeah, and the report web server offers JSON. |
| 20:39 | jeff | okay, i missed ldap/cas/persona. |
| 20:40 | * druthb_mib | enjoys cait's slides, pumping a few words and phrases at Google Translate. |
| 20:41 | cait | that was my presentation for german library conference 2 weeks ago |
| 20:42 | jeff | "RESTful API" -- is this referencing how the staff web interface operates, or should i look elsewhere? |
| 20:42 | re-phrased, if i wanted to look at the code for said RESTful API, which perl module would I examine. :-) | |
| 20:42 | jcamins | That's the svc API. |
| 20:42 | cait | i was referring to the svc thing yes |
| 20:42 | * druthb_mib | might swipe some bits of that for her YAPC preso, if you don't mind, cait. |
| 20:42 | jeff | got it. |
| 20:42 | jcamins | /svc and /opac/svc |
| 20:43 | jeff | and the svc api supports a specific subset of koha functionality, with a priority on specific needs |
| 20:43 | would that be accurate? | |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 20:44 | Cataloging, authentication, and reports, basically. | |
| 20:44 | cait | oh authentication too? |
| 20:44 | I will have to take a look at that then :) | |
| 20:44 | jcamins | cait: yeah, rangi did that. |
| 20:44 | I think. | |
| 20:44 | cait | yeah, now that you mention it... |
| 20:44 | I was wondering, when you use koha with ldap | |
| 20:44 | jeff | also, are koha libs using ezproxy via any authentication method other than SIP2, or mostly just doing ezproxy <-> koha via SIP2? |
| 20:45 | cait | will any of the api we have for authentication take that into account? |
| 20:45 | authenticate against ldap first I mean before trying local? if you don't have passwords in Koha? | |
| 20:45 | jeff | another followup -- is there any versioning on the APIs, or are they just stable by happenstance? |
| 20:46 | cait | I think sip2 has probably been around longest so most widely used? |
| 20:46 | would be my guess, also probably well supported by lots of applications | |
| 20:48 | * druthb_mib | heads home |
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| 21:39 | bag | @later tell hankbank http://www.opinionatedaboutdin[…]3/top100us-6.html |
| 21:39 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:48 | cait | bag: now I am hungry :) |
| 21:48 | bag | heh |
| 21:48 | Henry lives there | |
| 21:48 | and I was wondering if he's been - but it's probably way too expensive | |
| 21:49 | cait | yeah, looks expensive :) |
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| 22:08 | cait | @later tell wizzyrea - could you maybe take a look at 8918? |
| 22:08 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 22:16 | bag | oh hey hankbank |
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| 22:34 | tcohen | cait: should I mark 906 as "In discussion"? |
| 22:34 | cait | bug 906 |
| 22:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=906 enhancement, P2, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ISBN Check |
| 22:35 | cait | hm difficult one |
| 22:35 | maybe - but try to ask some people to take a look | |
| 22:35 | tcohen | yeap, the main problem is the workflow for invalid ISBN |
| 22:35 | cait | the in discussion status is a bit dangerious |
| 22:36 | tcohen | I added a syspref controlling whether to check or not, and (as other checks) is validated on save action |
| 22:37 | paul argues that it should be done onLeave, and provide a button for moving the invalid ISBN to $z (which is suggested in the error message right now) | |
| 22:39 | i don't favour any workflow btw | |
| 22:39 | cait | I think i like the idea of a plugin a little bit better, but that has other consequences too |
| 22:39 | like it would be good to add it to the default frameworks | |
| 22:40 | but it would keep the code a bit more modular i guess | |
| 22:40 | but best would maybe be a catalogers opinion | |
| 22:41 | tcohen | if we have an expected workflow defined, any of the approaches its easy to implement |
| 22:43 | cait | tcohen: it's kinda late here - maybe put in discussion and try asking around on irc for opinions? |
| 22:44 | tcohen | np, this bug can wait anyway |
| 22:45 | cait | I can try to take a look too - but maybe not tonight :) |
| 22:46 | bgkriegel | tcohen: an email to koha-devel? |
| 22:47 | tcohen | i'm just typing it :-D |
| 22:47 | hi bgkriegel | |
| 22:47 | bgkriegel | hi tcohen |
| 22:47 | :) | |
| 22:48 | cait | hope you get some answers :) |
| 22:53 | night :) | |
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| 23:25 | melia | I have a strange problem on a 3.8.8 system where I can't edit existing items. I go to edit item, I make some changes, click save changes. but my changes don't save, and I can't figure out why. |
| 23:25 | I know editing items works fine on other 3.8.8 systems, and I have compared sys prefs and frameworks, but everything looks pretty much the same. | |
| 23:26 | anybody have any ideas for other things I should check? | |
| 23:30 | bgkriegel | Have you looked at logs? |
| 23:31 | melia | no, but I will now! :) |
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