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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:02 | eythian | http://lwn.net/Articles/540368/ <-- cjh |
| 00:04 | cjh | linux in space, awesome. |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | When the build fails, it should "fail loudly" with a "monitor that starts flashing red" and email to everyone on the team. When that happens, you should "respond immediately" to fix the problem. In his team, they have a full-size Justin Bieber cutout that gets placed facing the team member who broke the build. They found that "100% of software engineers don't like Justin Bieber", and will work quickly to fix the build problem. |
| 00:16 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:20 | cjh | eythian: fantastic article, thanks |
| 00:20 | eythian | thought you'd like it |
| 00:20 | cjh | >"Automate process processes", he said. Things like coding standards, static analysis, spaces vs. tabs, or detecting the use of Emacs should be done automatically. |
| 00:28 | jcamins | "Detecting the use of emacs" -- definitely a problem. |
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| 01:19 | eythian | jcamins: would doing a build from master be akin to a 3.12-beta? |
| 01:32 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 01:32 | Exactly the same. | |
| 01:33 | eythian | excellent. Just built 3.8.11, doing the other two now. |
| 01:35 | also going to prepare the patches for 3.12/3.13, too. | |
| 01:37 | jcamins | Awesome, thanks! |
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| 01:58 | jcamins | Oh, hey- are you planning on updating the Debian changelog with the stable releases? |
| 01:59 | eythian | jcamins: yeah, that'll be in the patch |
| 01:59 | not all of them, I'll just grab it at where 3.10 is up to now | |
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| 02:12 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:12 | That's what I had in mind. | |
| 02:12 | Seems like it would be good for continuity, when it moves to squeeze. | |
| 02:13 | eythian | yeah |
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| 03:14 | eythian_ | jcamins: bug 9918 is ready for you |
| 03:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9918 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Passed QA , Packaging updates for 3.12 |
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| 04:45 | rangi | @later tell jcamins bug 9919 needs to be fast tracked, install is currently busted |
| 04:46 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:46 | rangi | bug 9919 |
| 04:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Needs Signoff , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql |
| 04:53 | cjh | :( |
| 04:54 | oh wow, awesome work by peter | |
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| 06:39 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 06:44 | cjh | good evening cait :) |
| 06:44 | cait | hi cjh :) |
| 06:44 | looks like it was a busy day at catalyst? :) | |
| 07:44 | rangi | drojf++ |
| 07:45 | cjh | cait: sorry wandered off to make dinner :) |
| 07:46 | cait | drojf++ indeed |
| 07:46 | cjh: no problem :) | |
| 07:46 | * cait | wanders off to work now :) |
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| 07:49 | alohabot | Hi mib_6pv427, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 07:49 | mib_6pv427 | how to upload and access e books in koha? |
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| 07:53 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:54 | mib_6pv427 | hello |
| 07:54 | wahanui | hola, mib_6pv427 |
| 07:54 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:55 | mib_6pv427 | can u solve my query: hw do we upload and access e books in koha? |
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| 08:00 | matts | hi ! |
| 08:01 | mib_6pv427 | hi |
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| 08:07 | cjh | mib_6pv427: you can place a link to digital resources in the 856 marc field, see https://www.evernote.com/shard[…]4ee1fdec38f4c8709 |
| 08:08 | mib_6pv427: if they arent currently online you could place them somewhere on your server and then link to them | |
| 08:09 | mib_6pv427 | thnx, but i hv it in pdf format |
| 08:10 | cjh | mib_6pv427: that is fine, the marc 856 field just takes a link, in the above example I posted they link to pdfs. |
| 08:11 | mib_6pv427 | okkkkkkk thank u so much |
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| 08:14 | cjh | mib_6pv427: you're welcome, hope that is enough information for you. Good luck :) |
| 08:14 | mib_6pv427 | :) |
| 08:15 | clrh | bonjour |
| 08:15 | wahanui | bonjour, clrh |
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| 08:20 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:37 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 10:21 | * kf | waves |
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| 11:21 | khall | mornin paul_p and all! |
| 11:22 | paul_p | hi khall ! safe back home ? |
| 11:22 | khall | indeed! |
| 11:23 | Marseille was great, but there's no place like home ; ) | |
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| 11:25 | tcohen | hi khall, paul_p |
| 11:25 | khall | mornin tchoen! |
| 11:26 | * kf | waves at khall |
| 11:26 | khall | mornin kf! |
| 11:27 | kf | glad to hear you are back home :) |
| 11:27 | * khall | and kf get to sit next to each other in irc |
| 11:27 | khall | kf, are you home yet? |
| 11:27 | kf | :) |
| 11:27 | yep, arrived saturday - around 7pm | |
| 11:27 | not too bad | |
| 11:28 | still trying to decide what I missed more - my shower or my bed :) | |
| 11:28 | khall | that's good to hear/read |
| 11:28 | heh | |
| 11:28 | I definitely missed both | |
| 11:28 | kf | yep |
| 11:28 | * kf | tries hard not to mention knife. |
| 11:29 | khall | kf didn't try hard enough! : )= |
| 11:29 | kf | sorry? ;) |
| 11:29 | we should consider a holiday apartment next time - magnuse invited us friday night and it was wonderful | |
| 11:29 | the kitchen was bigger than mine at home | |
| 11:30 | khall | that's not a bad idea! |
| 11:31 | kf | khall: what are you working on today? |
| 11:31 | * kf | misses to have you all around |
| 11:31 | * khall | is going to start carrying a giant crocodile-dundee sized bowie knife which he will then use to each hsi meals |
| 11:31 | kf | lol |
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| 11:31 | khall | I'm going to start by wading through emails, then I thought I might look at what bugs we have outstanding that need squashed |
| 11:32 | kf | ah, similar here |
| 11:32 | I got 1150 mails... | |
| 11:33 | khall | wow, and I thought I had it bad with 274 |
| 11:33 | kf | win! :( |
| 11:34 | nah, it's not so bad, but have to be careful when deleting my way through the pile :) | |
| 11:34 | khall | indeed |
| 11:34 | though if you delete everything, I'm sure the important ones will get re-emailed, right ; ) | |
| 11:35 | kf | heh |
| 11:35 | better not try that approach | |
| 11:35 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 11:35 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.2°C (12:35 PM CET on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:36 | khall | When I left it was around around 10c and when I came back there was a foot of snow on the ground |
| 11:38 | kf | ew |
| 11:38 | bit of snow here too | |
| 11:39 | khall | we get tons of snow because we are 40 miles away from the great lakes in the "snow belt" |
| 11:40 | https://maps.google.com/maps?q[…]+Pennsylvania&z=8 | |
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| 11:41 | kf | makes sense |
| 11:41 | you got the bigger lake... but ours is nice too | |
| 11:41 | https://maps.google.com/maps?q[…]+Pennsylvania&z=8 | |
| 11:42 | khall | the wind comes out of the north-west, crosses the lake where it picks up humidity, and dumps it all on us as snow |
| 11:43 | * khall | didn't realize wikipedia has an article on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowbelt |
| 11:45 | khall | kf, your area looks pretty nice, it's almost a peninsula |
| 11:45 | kf | it IS a nice area - you should all visit :) |
| 11:46 | hm but I messed up the link. oups | |
| 11:46 | https://maps.google.com/maps?h[…]&t=h&z=12&layer=t | |
| 11:46 | khall | that would be great! You should put in a bid for KohaCon! |
| 11:47 | kf | :) |
| 12:01 | nengard | has anyone heard of the holds queue pulling the home library instead of the current location in 3.10.3? |
| 12:07 | kf | nengard: I think there is a bug |
| 12:08 | I think Liz repoted something ... | |
| 12:09 | bug 9591 | |
| 12:09 | wahanui | somebody said bug 9591 was a weird one |
| 12:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 12:09 | kf | bug 9906 |
| 12:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9906 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds Return Policy and Local Hold Item Types not working as expected |
| 12:12 | kf | hm not sure where she put the comment i was thinking about |
| 12:12 | nengard | wizzyrea wake up!! :) we need you :) |
| 12:12 | hehe | |
| 12:13 | kf | i rmember it said she woudl report a new bug |
| 12:18 | nengard: perhaps I dreamed it | |
| 12:18 | nengard | heh |
| 12:18 | kf | can't find it at least:( |
| 12:18 | nengard | i'll see if i can confirm a problem before i report anything |
| 12:18 | right now it's based on an email | |
| 12:19 | no testing on my part | |
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| 12:43 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:45 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9919' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]28668878f519a4904> / Bug 9919: Correct syntax error caused by missing comma. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f57381351e58ab3a4> |
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| 12:52 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1120 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 12:55 | kf | good morning jcamins ;) |
| 12:55 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 12:58 | tcohen | hi jcamins, kf |
| 12:59 | kf | hi tcohen |
| 12:59 | jcamins | Can you have multiple header rows in a table? |
| 13:00 | kf | in which program? |
| 13:00 | I would think so, at least that's what I do sometimes | |
| 13:01 | jcamins | HTML. |
| 13:01 | oleonard | Yes, that's valid |
| 13:01 | Whether or not something like DataTables will lose its marbles is another question | |
| 13:02 | kf | true |
| 13:02 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 13:03 | kf | and hi oleonard :) |
| 13:03 | oleonard | I hope your trip home was good kf |
| 13:03 | kf | long but good :) |
| 13:03 | thx :) | |
| 13:03 | * oleonard | wonders if khall and bag are back |
| 13:04 | khall | indeed! |
| 13:04 | kf | oleonard: be careful, he might have a... never mind |
| 13:04 | khall: okok, I will stop :) | |
| 13:05 | khall | grrrr |
| 13:05 | kf | I was just trying to hold onto marseille a bit longer... |
| 13:05 | khall | : )= |
| 13:05 | oleonard | khall: Did you flight home have free seat-back movies? |
| 13:06 | khall | yeah, but no the on-demand kind |
| 13:06 | oleonard | Bummer. Those are my favorite. |
| 13:06 | khall | yeah, much better that way |
| 13:18 | tcohen | fredericdem: koha-index-daemon doesn't survive temporal db connection errors |
| 13:27 | oleonard | I can only hope that when I die I have earned the right to a 100$c |
| 13:28 | jcamins | oleonard: heh. I don't even have a 100$a yet! |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Hm, good point. Me neither. |
| 13:43 | kf | hm |
| 13:44 | bag | morning all |
| 13:44 | kf | hey bag :) |
| 13:44 | bag | heya kf |
| 13:44 | kf | had a good trip? |
| 13:45 | bag | still a tiny bit jet lagged |
| 13:46 | but besides that I'm great! was great to see Ginny and Sonja | |
| 13:46 | kf | :) |
| 13:46 | is the chocolate rabbit still alive? | |
| 13:46 | bag | it is! |
| 13:46 | no dents | |
| 13:46 | kf | wow! :) |
| 13:46 | khall | Just found a new critical bug: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9922 |
| 13:46 | huginn | 04Bug 9922: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , holds queue shows home library with AutomaticReturn |
| 13:46 | oleonard | bag: Did you smuggle any Kinder eggs? |
| 13:46 | kf | khall: I think nengard was talking aobut this earlier and still think liz too... but can't find her comment |
| 13:47 | oleonard: lindt chocolate bunny :) | |
| 13:47 | khall | kf: I still have my rabbit too! |
| 13:47 | bag | I didn't know about Kinder eggs? |
| 13:47 | kf | :) |
| 13:47 | oleonard | bag: That's because you're not a hardened criminal |
| 13:47 | bag | But I did smuggle some fois grau for my bother :P |
| 13:47 | kf | oleonard: next time... but I thought better not tempt them |
| 13:48 | oleonard | http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat[…]anada-border.html |
| 13:49 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:49 | bag | HA |
| 13:52 | oleonard | I guess TSA was looking for real criminals when I went through |
| 13:53 | chris_n | so you can carry your pocket knife, but don't dare bring chocolate eggs |
| 13:54 | oleonard | I'm just lucky my children survived being given such a dangerous snack. Of course I've been careful to teach them never to cram a full-sized chocolate egg into their mouths all at once too. |
| 13:54 | chris_n | moronic to say the least |
| 13:55 | jcamins | chris_n: there were... probably zero... reported deaths due to kinder eggs the year before they were banned! |
| 13:55 | chris_n | oleonard++ # "I've been careful to teach them...." |
| 13:56 | jcamins: lol | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Actually, apparently there have been six deaths. |
| 13:56 | chris_n | hot dogs are probably a greater risk than the toys in candy eggs |
| 13:57 | jcamins | chris_n: BAN THE HOTDOGS! |
| 13:57 | A $2500 fine per egg. | |
| 13:57 | chris_n | "In one analysis of about 450 choking fatalities among children over two decades, the inhalation of latex balloons was responsible for 29% of deaths and 17% of deaths were caused by hot dogs." |
| 13:58 | * chris_n | did not see eggs listed in that article |
| 13:59 | oleonard | Much easier to ban European candy than all-American processed meat. |
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| 14:00 | * chris_n | notices the next release date misses his birthday by one day |
| 14:00 | jcamins | chris_n: in which direction? |
| 14:01 | chris_n | may 17 |
| 14:01 | jcamins | Ah, no, the PO updating misses your birthday by one day. |
| 14:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1120: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1120/ |
| 14:01 | Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 9919: Correct syntax error caused by missing comma. | |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql |
| 14:01 | jcamins | I want three days to struggle with producing a tarball. |
| 14:01 | * chris_n | misread |
| 14:02 | chris_n | :) |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Your efforts will be worth it jcamins when you get to yell at people for using it to install Koha ;) |
| 14:03 | chris_n | ok, back to wrestling with Python :-P |
| 14:03 | oleonard | wrestling with Python > wrestling a python? |
| 14:03 | chris_n | it sure feels like it |
| 14:04 | jcamins | "Showing 4 of 3 records" |
| 14:04 | Something tells me that's not right. | |
| 14:04 | Is Peter Crellan Kelly a new committer? | |
| 14:07 | oleonard | rangi said something on Twitter about new committers from a workshop yesterday |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Cool! |
| 14:08 | Now... why does it say 4 of 3? | |
| 14:08 | The 4 is right. | |
| 14:08 | The 3 is not. | |
| 14:09 | Oh, because I screwed up my data. | |
| 14:12 | Maybe... | |
| 14:12 | wahanui | rumour has it maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 14:16 | oleonard | If I test a Z39.50 search as part of testing Bug 6554 and find the Z39.50 search results includes junk like "Herg�e" is that a failing of the patch, or business as usual for Z39.50? |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Broken encoding in members home/search page |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Business as usual, most likely. |
| 14:18 | oleonard | also: Navigating Koha with Ukranian translation enabled is kinda fun. |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Heh. |
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| 14:34 | kf | jcamins: hm, I don't understand your po file mail :) |
| 14:34 | jcamins: a few days before release (release release?) because that might not be enough, we need an update when the help files are in | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Yes, and if the help files aren't in by May 1, they're not going in at all. |
| 14:36 | We have over a month of feature freeze before string freeze. | |
| 14:37 | And usually string freeze is two weeks. | |
| 14:37 | Or less. | |
| 14:38 | tcohen | couldn't we put a name to every koha release? like debian does? |
| 14:38 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, I have to choose a name. |
| 14:38 | It's going to be dessert-themed. | |
| 14:38 | tcohen | sweet |
| 14:38 | :-D | |
| 14:38 | jcamins | Or cat themed. |
| 14:39 | tcohen | cheese? |
| 14:39 | wahanui | cheese is, like, delicious, but cait just had butter |
| 14:39 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 14:39 | Or cheese themed. | |
| 14:40 | oleonard | Or root-vegetable themed! |
| 14:40 | jcamins | oleonard: probably not. |
| 14:41 | * oleonard | might have gotten his way if the CSA hadn't gotten to jcamins first |
| 14:41 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:42 | tcohen | jcamins: about the INSTALL.* files i have had dis-agreements with mtompset about them |
| 14:42 | just to clarify, I think they should target the tarball install steps, not git or anything else | |
| 14:43 | jcamins | They should inform people that the packages exist, and are preferable when applicable. |
| 14:43 | tcohen | but what do u think of pointing them to the git install method? |
| 14:44 | jcamins | There should probably be a note saying "if you plan on doing development, use git." |
| 14:44 | oleonard | Why do I suddenly not see my holding libraries listed on opac-detail.pl? |
| 14:44 | jcamins | That is the only installation documentation we have, and I don't see that changing. |
| 14:44 | oleonard: I don't know. | |
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| 14:46 | rambutan | @seen wizzyrea |
| 14:46 | huginn | rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 14 hours, 39 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> When the build fails, it should "fail loudly" with a "monitor that starts flashing red" and email to everyone on the team. When that happens, you should "respond immediately" to fix the problem. In his team, they have a full-size Justin Bieber cutout that gets placed facing the team member who broke the build. They (1 more message) |
| 14:46 | rambutan | @later tell wizzyrea looks like we got about 4" of snow over the weekend. |
| 14:46 | huginn | rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:47 | rambutan | @wunder 64504 |
| 14:47 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -2.3°C (9:46 AM CDT on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
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| 14:51 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:51 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011) |
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| 14:56 | kf | jcamins: possible you meant pull request instead of update? |
| 14:56 | jcamins: meaning that people have to finish translating a few days before the release? because I am still confused after your 2 mails | |
| 14:56 | but I got a cold. | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:56 | Except there are no longer going to be pull requests. | |
| 14:57 | I will let you send a clarifying e-mail, because clearly my clarifying e-mails don't. | |
| 14:57 | kf | I got a cold! |
| 14:57 | * kf | sniffs |
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| 15:31 | kf | oleonard++ #signing off on the encoding patch :) |
| 15:32 | oleonard | I hope I tested it properly |
| 15:32 | kf | :) |
| 15:32 | I think dpavlin will be happy about your feedback | |
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| 16:25 | jcamins | paypal-- |
| 16:25 | oleonard | That seems to be the consensus. |
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| 16:35 | bag | HA jcamins we've got someone here begging to intregrate paypal and koha… I'd rather rewrite accountlines from scratch first |
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| 16:49 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:50 | bag | later gaetan_B |
| 16:54 | kf | bag: sounds like a good alternative :) |
| 16:54 | and now I am leaving for today - bye all! | |
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| 16:55 | bag | oh bye cait |
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| 16:56 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 17:03 | oleonard | Hi drojf |
| 17:03 | drojf | hi oleonard |
| 17:03 | quiet around here | |
| 17:03 | oleonard | Yeah, everyone is hung over from Hackfest |
| 17:05 | drojf | frogleg poisoning? :P |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Too much pastis? |
| 17:08 | drojf | oh i could use some too |
| 17:12 | oleonard | Oh it's lunch time. I guess I should lunch. |
| 17:14 | drojf | you should, before it slowly turns into dinner |
| 17:14 | i guess i cannot wake up anyone with a nice marc/authority question, but i'll try anyway. | |
| 17:15 | i have a topical term that i would put into 150_a. but i also have a number corresponding to it. is 072 an appropriate place or is that meant for a higher level category? and if so what would be a better place? | |
| 17:25 | maybe 065 would be a good place too | |
| 17:26 | wahanui: how is your day? | |
| 17:26 | wahanui | drojf: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:35 | drojf | Random Quote ' I think we need more quotes!' :) |
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| 17:39 | khall | does anyone succinctly explain the differences between the "holds to pull" and the "holds queue" reports? Nobody seems to know! Apparently a couple years ago Ian just told Nicole "Don't use the holds to pull report" |
| 17:39 | cait | khall: I would bet liz can explain |
| 17:40 | I think the holds to pull has something to do with the holds_queue cronjob | |
| 17:40 | * cait | ponders |
| 17:40 | khall | I think it's the other way around |
| 17:40 | right? | |
| 17:40 | cait | oh? |
| 17:40 | oleonard | Yes |
| 17:41 | khall | But holds to pull apparently is a bit wonky |
| 17:41 | I'm wondering why we have them both when they seems to accomplish the same task | |
| 17:41 | cait | khall: if you figure it out, you should document it :) |
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| 17:56 | bag | holds to pull is old code IRC… and is much better for a single site. Actually I don't remember at the moment but I do know that we usually say use holds queue if you are multi site vs. use what ever you want if you are single site |
| 17:57 | khall ^^ | |
| 17:57 | khall | bag: thanks for the info. |
| 17:57 | It really seems to me like holds to pull should be deprecated, but I may not being seeing the big picture | |
| 17:58 | cait | I think there really was some difference |
| 17:58 | bag | I may have come down to the fact that holds queue used holding branch (well it used to before 3.10 :P ) |
| 17:58 | cait | but I don't remember well |
| 17:58 | bag | hi cait |
| 17:58 | cait | hi bag |
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| 18:28 | rangi | holds to pull should only ever show holds that are on the shelf, and should not be deprecated because it works very well for a lot of libraries, but multi branch libraries shouldnt use it, or should commission it to be changed to work for them |
| 18:28 | all our specials use it all the time and it works exactly how they want | |
| 18:28 | bag | ^^ what I said - except nicer :P |
| 18:29 | rangi | holds queue on the other hand, has never worked properly |
| 18:29 | works even worse now it got changed to use homebranch | |
| 18:29 | bag | right and has had issues with onorder etc. |
| 18:29 | khall ^^^ | |
| 18:29 | rangi | ayeah |
| 18:29 | bag | a bit more info for you |
| 18:30 | rangi | for our publics, we find a few saved reports work better |
| 18:30 | holds queue tries to be too smart | |
| 18:30 | bag | hmm those on the wiki? |
| 18:30 | khall | that's some good information to know! |
| 18:30 | rangi | probably, just select * from reserves where branchcode=<<branch>> |
| 18:31 | khall | I've submitted a patch for the hold/home branch issue for the holds queue |
| 18:31 | rangi | ie don't try and suggest how to fill them, like the holds queue does, just tell them all the reserves wanted at that branch and let the librarians decide how to fill them |
| 18:31 | bag | yeah rangi but then you'd need to add the != onloan |
| 18:31 | rangi | nope |
| 18:31 | they mostly dont care, they just want to sell all the reserves | |
| 18:32 | theyd rather see too much, than miss some | |
| 18:32 | sell = see | |
| 18:32 | bag | hmm I guess the librarians here don't see it the same way… |
| 18:33 | khall | Should we perhaps hide holds to pull for multi-branch libraries? It would be nice if we could have in words what the problem is. I'd be willing to fix it |
| 18:33 | cait | i think if you have lots of branches |
| 18:33 | a feature that suggests who is responsible to look for a copy makes sense? | |
| 18:33 | bag | I would be down with hiding holds to pull for non single libraries |
| 18:34 | khall | does holds to pull respect the cost matrix? |
| 18:35 | bag | if you are single site |
| 18:35 | who cares about the cost matrix? | |
| 18:35 | rangi | khall: it has nothing to do with the cost matrix |
| 18:35 | khall | good point |
| 18:35 | rangi | it should only show you reserves for your branch, that on the shelf at your branch |
| 18:35 | it shouldn't care about anything else | |
| 18:35 | cait | rangi: so where is cost matrix used? |
| 18:35 | * cait | is confused now |
| 18:35 | rangi | holdsqueue |
| 18:35 | khall | holds queue uses the cost matrix |
| 18:35 | if it's enabled that is | |
| 18:35 | bag | the cost matrix should be in the holds queue |
| 18:35 | cait | ah |
| 18:36 | rangi | holds to pull is just a list of ones you can walk out and take off the shelf right now |
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| 18:36 | cait | I will leave this discussion to the holds expert and make dinner |
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| 18:36 | Nicole C. Engard: add opaccloud | |
| 18:36 | bag | have a good dinner cait |
| 18:36 | rangi | since most special libraries, people never ever come to the library |
| 18:36 | they just place holds | |
| 18:36 | and the staff email them the article etc | |
| 18:36 | stuff actually leaves the shelves less and less | |
| 18:37 | so the holds to pull becomes a more and more useful tool | |
| 18:37 | every couple of hours, you try to clear it | |
| 18:37 | and your organisation goes 'wow these librarians are efficient i asked for that fiscal responsibility article an hour ago, and i have it already!' | |
| 18:38 | and everyone is happy :-) | |
| 18:38 | to that end, we are building an extension to it | |
| 18:38 | if you switch the syspref on, any item of type article | |
| 18:38 | gives you a little 'fullfilled' link next to it | |
| 18:39 | so you can email them the article, (their email is on the holds to pull page) and click that | |
| 18:39 | it marks the hold filled | |
| 18:39 | then you are done | |
| 18:39 | ministry of education and a couple of others are testing that | |
| 18:39 | means that they track the usage, of things that were previously untracked | |
| 18:40 | and is very very easy for the librarians | |
| 18:40 | click one button | |
| 18:41 | bag | sorry rangi - that is pretty awesome. we started a staff meeting (sorry to drop in the middle of a conversation) :P |
| 18:41 | that sounds really good though | |
| 18:42 | rangi | so 3.14 should have that :) |
| 18:43 | bag | :) |
| 18:49 | rambutan | I can't wait to see all the good stuff in Koha v8.28 |
| 18:50 | oleonard | anyone tried uploading a KOC file recently, by any chance? |
| 18:51 | cait | :) |
| 18:51 | rangi: sounds like you should submit that :) | |
| 18:52 | rangi | i will after the release |
| 18:52 | cait | cool :) |
| 18:52 | sounds like ti could work well for ill requests for copies too | |
| 18:53 | rangi | not really |
| 18:53 | cait | hm |
| 18:53 | rangi | because it doesnt circulate the item, because it doesnt actually leave the library, an electronic copy of it does |
| 18:54 | cait | that#s ok |
| 18:54 | copies don't go back | |
| 18:54 | rangi | maybe not in your library |
| 18:54 | cait | i mean they are just handed out to the patron |
| 18:54 | hm, maybe sould reread log after diner :) | |
| 18:54 | rangi | in that case, yep it would, if you never want them back |
| 18:55 | ok, gotta take kids to school bbl | |
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| 19:41 | Guest123 | khall - the holds to pull and hold queue do not accomplish the same task. |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | holds to pull shows all items available from all libraries to fill all holds (filtered by date) |
| 19:42 | hold queue shows only items that this particular branch has items available to fill. | |
| 19:43 | it also does some smart selecting based on the hold queue weight, and as you've discovered, the cost matrix. | |
| 19:44 | bag | khall ^^ |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | holds to pull also doesn't (iirc) do much with things like holds from patrons of this library only |
| 19:44 | khall | thanks! |
| 19:44 | bag | I think many have tried to say the same thing - but each with a somewhat different description |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | it scatter shot shows them all and the humans have to sort it out. |
| 19:44 | bag | nengard ^^ scrollback - we probably need that better defined in the doc's |
| 19:45 | nengard | how far ... huh |
| 19:45 | how the holds queue and holds to pull | |
| 19:45 | work | |
| 19:45 | bag | 100 lines I'd guess |
| 19:45 | nengard | well those sections are very very thoroughly documented by khall :) |
| 19:45 | bag | yes how the holds queue and the holds to pull are different :P |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | did I say something directly contrary to what someone else saaid? |
| 19:45 | bag | nope |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | ok good. |
| 19:45 | bag | we all say it a little different :) |
| 19:46 | holds to pull - single site. holds queue - doesn't work :P in summary | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | doesn't work* right now |
| 19:46 | nengard | wait |
| 19:46 | it used to be holds to pull doesn't work | |
| 19:46 | and i won't write in the manual that something doesn't work :) | |
| 19:46 | bag | right doesn't work right |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | no it works fine, just it doesn't work the way that people expect. |
| 19:46 | nengard | k - mom needs help back to bed |
| 19:46 | bag | no holds to pull has always worked - just not for multi sites |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | and it's not *practical* for multi sites. |
| 19:47 | bag | that's better |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | it works fine for them but it's totally not practical |
| 19:47 | bag | *practical* |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | you could probably build a sane-ish workflow around holds to pull |
| 19:47 | khall | y |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | -ish |
| 19:48 | for multi branches. I think it's better to fix the hold queue. | |
| 19:48 | nengard | mom changed her mind |
| 19:48 | i love being a caretaker :) | |
| 19:48 | cait | @later tell rangi I meant photo copies - printed articles - maybe wrong english term? |
| 19:48 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | at least, if bywater is doing it I can think of one library system that in it's current state neither holds to pull or the hold queue will work. |
| 19:49 | bag | yup |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | and you really don't want them shouting at you. |
| 19:49 | bag | yup |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | khall I see your patch - I'll try to test that today. |
| 19:50 | khall | excellent! |
| 20:02 | cait | :) |
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| 20:11 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:22 | rangi | *sigh* |
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| 20:24 | trea | greetings #koha |
| 20:25 | cait | rangi: why *sigh*? |
| 20:25 | and hi trea | |
| 20:25 | trea | hiya cait |
| 20:25 | rangi | see the mailing list |
| 20:25 | cait | oh i see |
| 20:25 | trea | question - are the SIP response messages sent from koha? For Example if a selfcheck displays "Greetings from Koha. PATRON EXPIRED" is this Koha sending the "PATRON EXPIRED" bit, or is that a code that the selfcheck interpolates as such |
| 20:26 | rangi | trea: you can check the syslog to see :) |
| 20:26 | most of the time it does both | |
| 20:26 | trea | okay, in this case it is Koha |
| 20:27 | so, how could I change it? apparently folks think the system is telling them they are deceased. | |
| 20:27 | :( | |
| 20:27 | rangi | heh |
| 20:27 | trea | ikr |
| 20:27 | rangi | people are weird |
| 20:27 | trea | yessir |
| 20:28 | cait | I think some machines here interpolate and translate |
| 20:29 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:29 | it depends on the machine | |
| 20:30 | trea: SIP::ILS::Patron | |
| 20:30 | trea | ahhh ok |
| 20:30 | i'll take a look there, thanks | |
| 20:30 | rangi | line 53 |
| 20:30 | trea | rangi++ |
| 20:30 | rangi | $kp->{opacnote} .= 'PATRON EXPIRED'; |
| 20:30 | just change to | |
| 20:31 | PATRON'S CARD EXPIRED !!! YOU ARE STILL ALIVE YOU FOOL! | |
| 20:31 | trea | heh |
| 20:31 | cait | lol |
| 20:31 | trea | challenge accepted |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | lol. |
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| 20:36 | rambutan | @wunder 64504 |
| 20:36 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 0.1°C (3:35 PM CDT on March 25, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:36 | rambutan | well, it's heavy snow |
| 20:37 | rgbv | Hi, we've just upgraded to 3.10.3 and we want to suppress the Hourly Loans, hours and minutes from display (in Due date etc) in the staff client? is there a syspref for this? |
| 20:37 | rangi | not that im aware of, but i might be missing something |
| 20:38 | they should all be saying 23:59 ? | |
| 20:38 | rgbv | yep 23:59, its distracting... |
| 20:39 | rangi | afaik there is no syspref to hide it, it is a good idea tho |
| 20:40 | cait | I would love a way to hide it |
| 20:42 | maximep | putting 23:59 wasn't the bert solution -_- |
| 20:43 | *best | |
| 20:44 | cait | rgbv: I think you could maybe hide it with jquery |
| 20:46 | rgbv | right I'll brush up on my jquery, it's not as straight forward as other suppress ions, cheers cait |
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| 20:47 | cait | oups |
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| 21:06 | rangi | new developer :) |
| 21:06 | magnus | yay! |
| 21:06 | rangi | and 3 more waiting for sign off |
| 21:08 | magnus | new people at catalyst? |
| 21:08 | rangi | i ran a session for anyone who wanted to learn about koha yesterday |
| 21:08 | cait | rangi++ |
| 21:08 | rangi | 7 patches from 5 ppl :) |
| 21:09 | magnus | yeah rangi++ |
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| 21:17 | * magnus | will try and signoff 1 or 2 of those when he gets his emergency running-off-usb-stick setup ready |
| 21:17 | waves at Viktor | |
| 21:18 | * Viktor | waves back :) |
| 21:18 | magnus | :-) |
| 21:19 | Viktor | I can't find "Moderate purchase suggestions" in set permissions. Am I looking in the wrong place or is it just something for a RFC? |
| 21:21 | cait | Viktor: what do you want to do? :) |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | the first question |
| 21:21 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | you probably want to look under acqusitions |
| 21:21 | acquisitions* | |
| 21:21 | cait | I think suggestions has no single permission |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | no, it doesn't |
| 21:22 | cait | it could have one |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 21:22 | Viktor | I find "moderate patron tags" and "moderate patron comments" but not that :) |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | because patron suggestions are not really like those things. |
| 21:22 | at least in my mind they're not | |
| 21:23 | other patrons never see them, you only process them | |
| 21:23 | staff only | |
| 21:23 | staff with acquisitions permission | |
| 21:23 | cait | yep |
| 21:23 | magnus | (unless you turn on the syspref for public suggestions...) |
| 21:23 | Viktor | The way many libraries work here we have one librarian who has the right to handle purchase suggestions so we might want to be able to limit access to it. |
| 21:24 | Right you are wizzyrea. | |
| 21:24 | cait | Viktor: I think enhancement requests |
| 21:24 | request | |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | only if having acquisitions permissions for that user isn't granular enough |
| 21:25 | cait | I think one would probably need to update the permissions and activate it by default for staff with acq perms on update |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | like, if you want someone to do acquisitions but not do purchase suggestions? |
| 21:25 | but really, to me, that sounds like a human problem. | |
| 21:25 | Viktor | It's not such a big thing since only people working in acquisitions see it. But for larger libraries it might be god. For us it will be one and the same person. |
| 21:26 | Sorry: it might be _good_ | |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | i.e. tell the librarians who do acq but don't do suggestions "don't bother with suggestions" |
| 21:26 | Viktor | wizzyrea True. |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | in my mind, there's not a lot you can really *hurt* by processing a suggestion - worst thing is you might send out an erroneous email to a patron - regrettable, but not deleting the whole catalogue. |
| 21:28 | Viktor | The thing is that I am thinking about some sort of profile system for the long run where all tasks are mapped to specified people. |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | we do need to have some kind of role management in koha, that is true |
| 21:28 | Viktor | So that when the one responsible hasn't responded to purchase suggestions, tags, comments etc for the specified limit the system notifies the "second in command" |
| 21:29 | Aha - I guess role management is what I should write a enhancement request for :) Thanks wizzyrea | |
| 21:30 | cait | Viktor: I think staff councils here would not like that |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | and what I mean by role management is "sets of permissions that define a role in koha" |
| 21:30 | Viktor | cait - would it be ok if it's opt in? |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | such as "cataloguer" or "acquisitions/cataloguer" or "circulation clerk" |
| 21:31 | cait | it should definitely be opt in to send such mails - but I am not sure it#s a feature I would like much |
| 21:31 | * wizzyrea | either |
| 21:32 | Viktor | cait wizzyrea - Interesting! I guess it might be problematic if people felt that they are not trusted to do their job proerly. |
| 21:32 | cait | yep |
| 21:34 | Viktor | But I have a library that has a management who has policies for how long things are allowed to take regarding user feedback. There it would be great to be able to catch the stuff that's forgotten when the one person who does a task breaks a leg or gets sick. |
| 21:34 | cait | i think then you need to have rules for who is responsible when someone breaks a leg :) |
| 21:34 | sounds more like an organisational problem to me | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | ^^ what she said |
| 21:34 | Viktor | :) |
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| 21:35 | cait | if the scheduler worked... you could probably implement such warnings |
| 21:35 | with reports | |
| 21:35 | which reminds me that this patch is waiting for qa | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | or you could use the reports to show you the oldest suggestions on the home page. |
| 21:36 | Viktor | cait wizzyrea Well it's cheaper at least to solve it that way. And less intrusive. But I tend to seek technonogical solutions :) Oh well. |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | :) yea, that's a trap we've all fallen into |
| 21:37 | Viktor | :) |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | it's how we ended up with |
| 21:37 | quote 123? | |
| 21:37 | @quote get 123 | |
| 21:37 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 21:37 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 21:37 | magnus | hehe |
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| 21:38 | alohabot | Hi mib_giy3zc, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 21:39 | * magnus | wonders why Bug 7938 is in discussion |
| 21:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7938 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, In Discussion , The -v option to the translate script is not documented |
| 21:39 | mib_giy3zc | Hi I am a library science student in Pennsylvania trying to complete an assignment. I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any type of hardware is needed for this software and what it is |
| 21:40 | cait | maybe misunderstanding about how status works? |
| 21:40 | rangi | do i get credit for your assignment if i do? |
| 21:40 | mib_giy3zc | sure |
| 21:40 | cjh | heh |
| 21:40 | mib_giy3zc | or if anyone could just point me in the direction |
| 21:41 | rangi | the answer to your question is, how long is a piece of string |
| 21:41 | basically you need a lot more info before you decide on the hardware you want to run | |
| 21:41 | how many transactions a day is your library going to do, how many bibliographic records etc | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | koha can run on raspberry pi's - not well, but it will work. People have run it on PS2's, also. |
| 21:42 | I don't advise it | |
| 21:42 | mib_giy3zc | Okay thank you for your help. |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | if it helps you, I had a 9k item library open 3 days a week, koha was running on a P4 with 1GB of RAM and it worked just fine. |
| 21:43 | hrmph. | |
| 21:43 | rangi | i despair for our future |
| 21:47 | Viktor | Hardware is interesting - is it the amount of simultaneous users or the type of work the server has to do that takes the highest toll? |
| 21:48 | rangi | both |
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| 21:49 | Viktor | rangi Linear curve? Or will the load go exponential? (Server management isn't really my core area of expertise) |
| 21:50 | rangi | its never linear, bottlenecks compound |
| 21:50 | basically though, more RAM is the answer to pretty much every problem | |
| 21:51 | * magnus | signs off Bug 7938 anyway - so there! |
| 21:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7938 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Signed Off , The -v option to the translate script is not documented |
| 21:52 | rangi | yay ! |
| 21:52 | cait | heh |
| 21:52 | rangi | i suspect will's finger slipped is all |
| 21:54 | magnus | probably |
| 21:54 | oh well, time to call it a night | |
| 21:54 | have fun #koha! | |
| 21:54 | rangi | cya magnus |
| 21:54 | trea | o/ |
| 21:56 | Viktor | rangi Thanks - RAM is always nice. Keeping the whole DB in RAM should work wonders I guess. |
| 21:59 | Well. Night folks! Thanks for the help! | |
| 21:59 | rangi | cya Viktor |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | later :) |
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