IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-18

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00:19 mveron Good night all
00:19 :quit
00:28 dcook Random question for anyone who has a moment
00:28 How does Koha store user-generated help data?
00:28 When they're editing the help pages on the staff client?
00:37 Nvm
00:37 Looks like Koha re-writes the actual templates
00:56 bgkriegel dcook: yes, and prints a warning if webserver can't write the file
00:56 dcook Yeah, I saw that with my dev install ;)
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01:18 * dcook just noticed the 60 patch emails sitting in his patches folder.
01:18 dcook Looks like Owen has been busy...
01:19 You too, bgkriegel :p
01:19 bgkriegel :)
01:19 and cait too
01:20 schnydsch good morning koha community. we're using koha 3.8.5 in debian installation.is there a limit in items in a bibliographic record?one bibliographic record we have has 690 items.before that days before, the biblio record and its items are working good but now when I'm seaching it comes out as No Title, and when I click it it has no biblionumber. When I search..
01:21 ..its supposed biblionumber, what comes out is "The record you requested does not exist (). I have cron job -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:22 bgkriegel do you know the biblionumber (koha internal number)
01:22 ?
01:22 schnydsch yeah
01:22 jcamins_away schnydsch: the problem is with indexing.
01:23 If you use -x when indexing, it will start showing up again.
01:23 schnydsch I have -z -b -a running every 3 minutes
01:23 jcamins_away Right, that won't work.
01:23 It has to be -z -b -a -x
01:23 And you'll have to rebuild the indexes with -b -a -r -x first
01:23 schnydsch ok i'll try that first.
01:24 -x -b was working for me then.. but haven't tried -b -a -r -x
01:24 jcamins_away You have to rebuild the indexes... mixing some entries with -x and some entries without gets messy.
01:25 bgkriegel -x is not for biblios only?
01:26 jcamins_away Not since 3.8.3ish.
01:26 Good point.
01:26 schnydsch: what version?
01:26 wahanui version is always noted in a comment on top
01:26 jcamins_away You may have to rebuild just biblios, and have two cronjobs instead of just one.
01:26 schnydsch 3.8.5
01:27 jcamins, what cronjobs are those?
01:27 jcamins_away It doesn't matter.
01:27 schnydsch i have -z -b -a
01:27 jcamins_away Right, you need to change it to -z -b -a -x
01:27 If you were using an old version, you would have needed two: -z -b -x and -z -a
01:28 But you have a recent version.
01:28 schnydsch ok thanks. i'll rebuild first with -b -a -r -x. then -z -b -a -x
01:29 eythian jcamins_away: can we use -x with authorities now?
01:30 jcamins_away Since 3.8.3ish.
01:30 dcook Which bug changed that?
01:30 bgkriegel just tried and works, but help still said "only for biblios"
01:31 eythian oh cool. I should update the package scripts so they let that work.
01:31 jcamins_away DOM indexing.
01:31 wahanui dom indexing is a lot faster than GRS-1.
01:31 jcamins_away bgkriegel: heh, yeah, the help should probably be updated then.
01:31 dcook Hmm. Cool.
01:33 bgkriegel but this is only for DOM? my install use grs-1 and also works
01:33 jcamins_away No.
01:33 -x always worked with GRS-1.
01:33 bgkriegel ah, ok
01:33 jcamins_away It just didn't work with DOM and we didn't have a way of checking, so it was disabled for authorities.
01:37 bgkriegel dcook: bug 7818
01:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
01:37 jcamins_away That's the one.
01:37 eythian why's that got my name on it?
01:38 dcook Looks like it was assigned to you?
01:38 schnydsch i still get The record you requested does not exist ().
01:38 eythian Weird.
01:39 jcamins_away Very weird.
01:39 bgkriegel schnydsch: how are you trying to access it?
01:39 jcamins_away And it's showing up in search results?
01:39 schnydsch it does not show when I search particular barcode/accession no.
01:39 what shows is The record you requested does not exist ().
01:40 jcamins_away When does that show?
01:40 schnydsch the title is Supreme Court Reports Annotated
01:40 jcamins_away Are you trying to directly access the record?
01:40 So if you go to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX what happens?
01:41 schnydsch when i search the barcode/acc. no., there is no biblionumber on URL
01:41 with /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=XXXXX it's there
01:42 jcamins_away Very odd.
01:42 I've seen that problem before, and it is fixed by adding -x
01:42 So there must be an additional issue here.
01:43 And I can't think what it could be.
01:43 schnydsch when i search the biblionumber in catalog, The record you requested does not exist (). and the biblionumber in URL is blank
01:43 yeah, it was working before the biblio record had only 500 or less items
01:43 but when I got up 600 yesterday through merging I got that mess
01:44 jcamins_away I'm sorry, I don't have any more suggestions if rebuilding zebra with -x didn't fix the problem.
01:44 schnydsch could this be a bug? does anybody in the group have biblio records more than 600?
01:44 i mean biblio records with more that 600 items?
01:44 rangi yep, fixed with -x
01:44 jcamins_away schnydsch: yes, many, many libraries.
01:45 All of whom have it working with -x.
01:45 schnydsch <rangi> you mean -b -a -r -x?
01:45 rangi yup
01:45 jcamins_away You run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -x *once*
01:45 rangi iso2709 has a size limit
01:45 jcamins_away During that time, you need the cron job to be disabled.
01:45 rangi marcxml doesnt
01:46 jcamins_away Then, when you go in to re-enable the cron job, you add "-x" to the end of the command line.
01:46 schnydsch lemme try again, maybe -z -b -a got along the way
02:16 i did what u told me jcamins but still got the same error.. hhmm..
02:18 bgkriegel schnydsch: if you search for the title, get no results?
02:27 bye
02:28 schnydsch <bgkriegel> other biblio records with the same title are the results, but i cannot find the exact title
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02:47 dcook bag, khall, libsysguy: Can you explain this blog post to me a bit? http://bywatersolutions.com/2013/02/08/rda/
02:47 While a RDA framework will show RDA tags in the cataloguing module, it won't show them on any templates, right?
02:47 Unless perhaps one is using XSLT?
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02:48 libsysguy dcook
02:48 you'd probably have to ask talljoy
02:48 when she is around
02:48 probably tuesday
02:48 or I think rangi had a similar post
02:49 wizzyrea They probably need to be added to the xlst stylesheets
02:49 xls??  xsl.
02:49 dcook Yeah, I saw rangi's post about frameworks, although I'm not quite sure that it's entirely correct
02:49 The more I look at RDA, the more I think that Koha can't actually handle it without editing
02:50 rangi in what way?
02:51 dcook Well, the RDA framework that you put up does include more tags (like 336, 337, 338), but these needs to be manually added to the XSLTs or the TT templates need to be updated to show this information
02:51 rangi you can use custom xslt, you can pick what xslt you want, in the sysprefs
02:51 dcook That's what I mean though. It needs to be customized.
02:52 Typically by non-users
02:52 rangi yes, whenever anyone figures out what to do with them
02:52 dcook There is that ;)
02:52 rangi because currently the data is of no value at all to any user
02:52 cept maybe some librarians
02:52 dcook Although lookings at 336, 337, 338...I could see them as being additions to the extent
02:52 wizzyrea if you know what to do with it I'm sure a patch would be welcome
02:52 rangi but if you are cataloguing for librarians
02:52 you are doing it wrong
02:52 thats my whole beef with RDA
02:52 dcook Good point, rangi
02:53 rangi it doesnt provide any value to me as a library user at all
02:53 dcook This page (http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html) mentionst that MARC already contained most of these codes
02:53 rangi yep
02:53 dcook For reading by machines rather than people. 336, 337, 338 definitely look like they're for librarians
02:53 Agreed
02:53 rangi exactly
02:53 thats why i did the framework
02:53 dcook They do seem like they could be useful as search limiters...maybe
02:53 rangi so you could store it
02:53 and search it
02:53 dcook But that's why we have item types :/
02:53 Your framework needs a little edit ;)
02:54 All the fields in 338 have a max length of 0
02:54 subfields*
02:54 Search it?
02:54 Mmm, with the xslt
02:54 rangi but i couldnt figure out any way to use display them in any useful fashion so someone else can
02:54 if we store it, we can search it
02:54 dcook Fair enough
02:54 How are they indexed?
02:55 rangi they aren't yet
02:55 because you'd have to make a whole new dropdown to search them
02:55 cos no one is going to know the jargon
02:55 dcook So we can't really search them yet
02:55 rangi with about 5 mins work we could
02:55 dcook Admittedly, carrier type, content type, media type do seem a bit...redundant
02:56 rangi if that provided any value at all
02:56 dcook True
02:56 But that's my point ;)
02:56 Is that "if" someone needed it, there is still work to do
02:56 rangi yep 30 mins
02:56 there is yet to be someone who needs it though
02:56 seriously it was just to prove to the nat lib that storing rda isnt hard
02:56 but it is pointless
02:57 dcook True, so far everyone seems to be asking yes or no questions
02:57 I don't know "why" people want it
02:57 rangi exactly
02:57 * wizzyrea suspects they don't either
02:57 dcook I do like the FRBR idea, but that doesn't seem to be anywhere yet either
02:57 * dcook agrees with wizzyrea
02:58 rangi if you have the framework you can tick the box
02:58 no one knows why you'd want to
02:58 but you can
02:58 dcook True enough
02:59 I know a few librarians who seem to be pretty into RDA. I must make a note to ask them questions about why they use it again...
02:59 wizzyrea because it's NEW and EXCITING and DIFFERENT
02:59 dcook Myself and some classmates had a hard time seeing the benefit of RDA when an RDA trainer did a seminar for one of our classes in 2011
02:59 hehe
03:00 wizzyrea it took AGES to figure out
03:00 :) so mostly I think, it's just a long awaited snooze of a change
03:01 rangi you wait until they start getting excited about bibframe instead
03:01 dcook Well, they were pretty excited about bibframe too :p
03:01 * dcook knows he gets the bibframe emails and stores them somewhere...
03:02 rangi http://bibframe.org/
03:02 dcook Ahhh
03:02 rangi http://bibframe.org/contribute/
03:03 * dcook now recalls some of the arguments on the bibframe listserv
03:03 rangi thats funny
03:03 The MARC standard is responsible for the creation of millions of bibliographic records from all parts of the globe.
03:03 thats not how i remember it
03:03 im pretty sure the cataloguers had some part to play
03:03 wizzyrea hehe
03:03 dcook what the...
03:03 wahanui it has been said that the is a stop word
03:03 rangi s/creation/storage/
03:03 and that sentence makes sense
03:03 dcook No doubt, wahanui. No doubt...
03:04 rangi and therein lies in the ENTIRE problem
03:04 storage mechanism, should not be entry or display
03:04 confusing them is what got us into this mess :)
03:06 dcook truer words, eh?
03:07 I was hanging out with a friend the other night and trying to explain library technology.
03:07 There were quite a few "yeah, I know it would be better if...but..."
03:07 rangi @quote get 123
03:07 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
03:07 huginn rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
03:08 * dcook loves that quote
03:08 dcook I brought up that xkcd as well actually :p
03:09 rangi :)
03:09 dcook She knew it well ;)
03:10 Je ne sais pas...on one hand, I've used non-MARC systems that worked great for that individual institution
03:10 Until they had to migrate their data...that's when MARC came in super handy
03:11 individual institution = special library
03:11 rangi yep
03:11 dcook On the other hand, MARC is...MARC
03:11 rangi no human should ever have to see it
03:11 dcook I also dislike how RDA tries to combine AACR2 changes and MARC changes
03:11 It's like the whole "don't submit a patch with whitespace changes"
03:11 rangi yeah
03:11 exactly
03:11 dcook AACR2 and MARC are already conflated more than enough as it is...
03:12 Agreed. Poor humans..
03:12 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]rc-is-for-mental/
03:12 dcook http://www.theatlantic.com/tec[…]ieve-bell/265596/
03:12 They said, "You don't understand. The robots are our friends."
03:13 Mmmm, great blog post
03:16 I mean yours, rangi :p
03:16 mtj i think the people that are really excited about RDA are the trainers and documentation publishers
03:16 schnydszch excuse me koha community, what does this mean: Error exporting record 93569 (biblio) XML at /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl line 395
03:16 wahanui schnydszch: Failure to adjust for daylight savings time.
03:17 schnydszch i run -b -w -v
03:17 actually I also got this yesterday I think. there could be something wrong with my record? but I can't figure it out
03:18 rangi have a look at the marcxml column of biblioitems for that record
03:19 schnydszch <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <record     xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"     xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.loc.gov/standards/m[…]ma/MARC21slim.xsd"     xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim">    <leader>00468nam a2200169Ia 4500</leader>   <controlfield tag="008">110402s9999    xx
03:20 http://mibpaste.com/BxaCVg
03:20 wizzyrea excuse?
03:20 wahanui wizzyrea: The rolling stones concert down the road caused a brown out
03:20 * wizzyrea giggles
03:21 schnydszch <wizzyrea> coz i see in the conversation you're talking about interesting topic RDA :)
03:21 the one in mibpaste is the marcxml of my record, could there be something wrong?
03:22 rangi that looks ok, you could try running the rebuild with -k
03:22 that will not delete the records then you can look in /tmp and see what it looks like exported
03:23 dcook mtj: I think you're right. Nothing like writing up a "new" secret code and then selling access to it for an arm and a leg
03:25 schnydszch <rangi> add -k to -b -w- -v?
03:25 <rangi> add -k to -b -w -v?
03:28 rangi thats right
03:28 hmm no -w
03:28 you need -x
03:29 * rangi has to go
04:01 wizzyrea later peps
04:04 gmcharlt @quote random
04:04 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #220: "jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:41 PM, October 19, 2012)
04:07 dcook For once, librarian humour that I don't actually get :p
04:17 schnydszch tnx <rangi>
04:27 dcook How does one generate templates from PO files again?
04:27 translate install xx-XX?
04:27 from the misc/translator directory?
04:28 or "perl install xx-XX", I suppose?
04:28 Aha! http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client
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05:37 dcook hi cait :)
05:38 cait hi dcook :)
05:46 dcook Good sleep? ;)
05:46 I only include the ;) because I just realized that I was at work the whole time you were sleeping O_o. You don't sleep enough :p
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05:47 cait um...
05:49 * dcook realizes that he's actually been sitting at his desk for way too long
05:50 cait that's the other side :)
05:50 * dcook goes back to looking at opac tags
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06:10 bigbrovar .
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07:05 * magnuse waves
07:06 cait hi magnuse :)
07:06 magnuse hiya cait
07:06 cait morning magnuse
07:07 magnuse 4 weeks/1 month until marseille
07:07 cait hehe
07:07 that's super cool
07:07 and scary because it means we are done with that versionso soon!
07:08 magnuse gah! too true!
07:09 i should try and get the digital signs ready for submission
07:10 i'm actually going to dedicate next weekend to that
07:10 cait !
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07:11 cait morning drojf
07:11 magnuse nengard++ for volunteering
07:12 drojf good morning #koha
07:12 magnuse moin drojf
07:12 drojf hi cait
07:12 hei magnuse
07:12 magnuse @wunder berlin
07:12 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
07:12 magnuse @wunder berlin, germany
07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.4°C (7:43 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
07:12 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
07:12 magnuse ooh nice
07:12 @wunder konstanz
07:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
07:12 drojf "clear". i would like that
07:13 magnuse @wunder boo
07:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:50 AM CET on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:13 drojf we only change between light grey and dark grey
07:13 magnuse hey konstanz = bodø!
07:13 drojf lol
07:15 magnuse they promise us +5 in a few days
07:17 drojf ha, up to 8° at the end of the month
07:17 and rain and snow :D
07:20 magnuse snow and +8?
07:21 drojf 0-8°. so i guess snow in the night, rain and mud by day
07:21 cait snow has thawed here
07:21 and I cansee some sun
07:21 and I have headache because it probably wasn't supposed to be so nice so fast
07:21 drojf aaaw. that sun people talk about. what does it look like? :)
07:22 i'll take your sun if that helps your head
07:23 cait ok deal
07:23 do you come by to collect it?
07:24 drojf i thought you could fedex it?
07:25 cait if you pay for the postage...
07:25 but it looks kinda big
07:26 drojf maybe i can find a company that specializes in sunsportation services. they will know better how to deliver it
07:26 cait lol
07:28 magnuse pf, stretch out your arm and you can probably cover all of it with your thumb. how big can it be?
07:28 drojf lol
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07:33 dcook All right. Finally turning in for the night. Ta, #koha!
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07:34 cait heh
07:34 it's big,.... we will need a long ladder too
07:34 maybe we could do something with a big miror
07:34 instead of moving it
07:36 alex_a bonjour
07:36 wahanui niihau, alex_a
07:36 magnuse kia ora alex_a
07:37 cait hi alex_a
07:43 alex_a salut cait magnuse :)
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07:45 reiveune hello
07:45 magnuse bonjour reiveune
07:46 reiveune hi cait, magnuse :)
07:47 cait why do you always see your typos while bugzilla is saving it already? :(
07:47 magnuse :-)
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07:48 marcelr hi koha
07:48 cait morning marcelr
07:48 and bbl :)
07:48 marcelr hi cait
07:48 cait++ for qa
07:48 cait thx :)
07:48 * cait runs out
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07:50 magnuse bgkriegel++ for signing off bug 9498
07:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9498 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Signed Off , Update encoding for Norwegian sample Z39.50 servers
07:58 marcelr hi magnuse
07:58 magnuse hiya marcelr
07:59 drojf hi marcelr
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08:02 asaurat hi
08:02 wahanui privet, asaurat
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08:04 gaetan_B hello
08:04 marcelr hi drojf gaetan_B
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08:18 rangi hmm bug 9657
08:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, New catalog in Koha
08:18 rangi what does that even mean?
08:18 kf no idea
08:18 rangi marcelr++
08:19 marcelr :)
08:19 kf :)
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08:28 * rangi wonders if the rijkmuseum have library cards ? :)
08:28 rangi rijksmuseum even
08:29 * kf whispers marcelr
08:34 drojf rangi: do people send you empty cards, or do you get actual accounts too? :)
08:34 magnuse rangi: i'll see what i can do too
08:35 marcelr hi rangi
08:37 rangi hehe i dunno if any of the cards are live :)
08:38 heh
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08:48 paul_p good morning #koha. (I'm back to BibLibre office, so it's still morning ;-) )
08:49 marcelr hi paul_p
08:49 magnuse bonjour paul_p
08:49 had a godd journey?
08:51 kf hi paul_p
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09:23 paul_p magnuse yes, good journey, flights on time, nothing lost, not waiting too long at borders/security controls. and, best of all : no-one sitted on my right in the plane, good for having more room for my legs !
09:23 kf :)
09:23 sounds like perfect travel
09:24 hope I will get that lucky on my way to marseille
09:30 rangi @quote random
09:30 huginn rangi: Quote #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!" (added by jdavidb at 04:18 PM, August 06, 2009)
09:31 kf @quote random
09:31 huginn kf: Quote #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the world in #koha" (added by druthb at 06:29 PM, July 13, 2010)
09:37 magnuse paul_p: nice! always good to sit next to an empty seat!
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10:16 vfernandes hello :)
10:16 kf are you here?
10:18 kf yes
10:26 vfernandes hi... bug 9341
10:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Patch doesn't apply , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
10:26 vfernandes tell me what I need to do...
10:32 kf oh
10:32 sorry, got distracted
10:32 it didn't apply for me
10:33 if you could update your branch witht he patches to latest master and resend them, that might help
10:33 a clean master branch, no other changes in between, that could be a reason too for the problem I think
10:38 vfernandes ok...
10:38 i'll upload a new patch
10:43 done :) let me put the other patches obsolete
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10:59 kf vfernandes: I will try again then :)
10:59 vfernandes thanks kf, kf++
11:00 it's nice to see my UNIMARC patches pass QA
11:00 they will be a very nice improvement for UNIMARC implementations
11:02 kf vfernandes: :)
11:03 vfernandes: hope I am testing right, but they looked safe and I am testing in an unimarc installation
11:04 vfernandes When I had submitted those patches there wasn't patch submitting codelines
11:04 but you are testing right :)
11:04 kf did you have to change a lot?
11:05 vfernandes in what kf?
11:05 kf in the patch :)
11:05 I noticed that jonathan's sign off got lost and wonder how the best way to deal with it now is
11:06 vfernandes of bug 9341? i've created a new clean branch and changed the files again, but the changes are the same
11:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9341 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Signed Off , Problem with UNIMARC authors facets
11:07 kf hm I will test and maybe set to signed off - then jonthan could take another look
11:07 I think they were blocked mostly becuse he signed off and it was unimarc
11:07 vfernandes yes, I think that will be the correct aproach
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11:14 vfernandes one question: which is the correct way to apply translations? before I was runnig the script tmpl_proccess
11:14 kf ah
11:14 no, don't do that :)
11:14 just change into the misc translator dirctory
11:14 and run: perl translate install <langcode>
11:14 oh
11:15 vfernandes now I remember - I was wondering about your low percentage in the po files
11:15 but you were gone by the time that I got to answer you
11:15 (low translation percentage compared between 3.10 and 3.12)
11:15 you said you got a complete translation of 3.10?
11:16 vfernandes yes...
11:16 i remember your email but saidly I deleted it :/
11:17 kf well it's strange because the percentage of german is much higher
11:17 if I wrote you it's probably in the archives somewhere
11:17 and on the wiki
11:17 wahanui i heard on the wiki was more information about the packages
11:18 kf languages?
11:18 wahanui languages are just tools, you should pick the right one for the right job
11:18 kf hm additional languages?
11:18 vfernandes: see here for German - updates from a complete 3.10: http://translate.koha-community.org/de/312/
11:19 vfernandes 76%? damn that's nice :)
11:19 kf Portughese is quite a bit lower
11:19 so what I wanted to suggest to you for a test
11:19 get a 3.10 staff po file
11:19 and run perl translate update <langcode> on it
11:19 and compare that to the one in pootle
11:20 vfernandes okay... now i can't do that... but later i will test it
11:20 kf maybe worth a try to see if there is a mistake
11:20 you have to be on a master branch when you run it, just put the complete 3.10 files in the po directory
11:21 and then run the command, it just does what the translation manager does :)
11:21 it might be the files on pootle were not based on your completed files
11:22 vfernandes maybe... thanks kf for all the help :)
11:22 kf np hope it works
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11:28 vkm hello is it necessary to make hold limit nil in system preference if it is already set in circulation privilege different for different users group
11:29 because my hold limit always picks from system preference
11:29 kf vkm: check bugzilla with the keyword maxreserves
11:30 the max holds in circ matrix is not fully implemented
11:30 vkm ok
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12:41 jcamins_away Is anyone else having trouble accessing bugs.k-c.org?
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12:43 marcelr jcamins_away: hi and yes
12:43 jcamins Well, as long as it's not me.
12:43 marcelr :)
12:43 jcamins rangi is still here, so the server isn't down.
12:43 marcelr timing out now
12:46 kf ithas been slow and a bit .... unstable for me since yesterday afternoon
12:46 not sure what's up, maybe rangi can take a look at it tonight?
12:46 it always came around after a bit
12:46 vfernandes kf it's suppose appear "acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat#" in the preferences translations?
12:46 kf no :)
12:47 the pref files are a bit different than other files to translate
12:47 you leave out the comment part at the beginning
12:47 vfernandes ohhh :D which is the command to translate?
12:47 kf so delete all constructs like acquisitions.pref#OrderPdfFormat# from the translated strings
12:47 vfernandes perl translate install pt-PT
12:47 kf the command is the same, only have to translate them in pootle a bit differently
12:48 look at other languages if you want to see what I mean :) german or french
12:48 vfernandes really? :/
12:48 kf yeah, the comments are there so they stay in order
12:48 vfernandes ok... i'll edit the po files
12:48 kf po files are ordered alphabetically, but syspref translation alphabetically woudl be quite a nightmare - because you are puzzling together sentences
12:49 so the comments with the syspref name in front make it strings stay close together
12:49 vfernandes: it shoudl be easy to fix
12:49 vfernandes acquisitions.pref is translated to ""
12:49 ?
12:49 kf hmm would have to check that one
12:49 there is no # in it
12:50 so maybe you translate that directly
12:50 let me check german
12:51 hm funny
12:51 it's translated Erwerbung in german, which means acuisitions
12:51 I think I assument something was missing
12:51 acquisitions.pref Policy
12:51 there only Policy was translated
12:51 vfernandes ok thanks kf
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13:30 tcohen morning #koha
13:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9628' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75af70f02644c1a18> / Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7b791c921da6c805f> / Merge branch 'bug_9627' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?
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13:33 drojf back
13:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #1052 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:35 kf hey drojf - how is your homework?
14:12 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
14:12 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 16.0°C (11:00 AM ART on February 18, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
14:16 tcohen what did \W meant in perl regexpt?
14:16 jcamins Not a word character.
14:17 kf drojf: cool
14:17 tcohen thanks jcamins
14:20 kf @later tell oleonard we need more patches! :)
14:20 huginn kf: The operation succeeded.
14:21 New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9646' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ebacac5176c31079f> / Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]46bf7f6ac7c9867e5> / Merge branch 'bug_9645' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.
14:22 kf paul_p: I see dpavlin will be around? what about mglavica?
14:25 paul_p: hm I will ask him :)
14:40 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1052: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1052/
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 8906 - Improve OAI management interface
14:40 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup FIX hardcoded localhost url
14:40 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8906: Followup replace 'Clear' with 'Delete'
14:40 * Vitor FERNANDES: Bug 9395: Problem with callnumber and standard number searches
14:40 * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9395: Increment version number
14:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve OAI management interface
14:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9648 - Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9616 - Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9619 - Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9621 - Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9622 - Replace YUI button on MARC fameworks page with Bootstrap
14:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9395 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Problem with callnumber and standard number search in OPAC and Staff Client
14:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9623 - Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9624 - Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on authorized values administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9627 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:40 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9628 - Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9616 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on patrons page with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9619 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on libraries administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI menu on lists pages with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9622 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC frameworks page with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on authority types administration page with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on reports dictionary page with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9627 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on serials pages with Bootstrap
14:40 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9628 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons and menus on budgets administration pages with Bootstrap
14:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #1053 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1051 2 days 23 hr ago)
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14:41 kf what, unstable??
14:42 drojf too many buttons pushed
14:42 * drojf puts 5€ into the bad pun jar
14:42 kf you will get poor fust
14:42 fast
14:43 drojf heh
14:48 jcamins kf: there was a syspref update.
14:48 kf ah ok
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15:16 tcohen do we have a way to warn the user on the GUI?
15:17 jcamins About what?
15:17 tcohen i've found that if you write a SQL report calling an undefined authorised_value the GUI shows an empty dropdown menu
15:18 the user should be warned when saving, or when about to run, not sure
15:19 what do u think jcamins?
15:19 jcamins Hm. I think probably on running.
15:19 Someone might copy a report off the wiki before creating the authorized values.
15:20 tcohen or simply havea typo
15:20 jcamins Ah, true.
15:20 What about both?
15:20 tcohen heh
15:21 i was revisiting the code to start writing for bug 9634
15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9634 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Allow for parameters re-use on SQL reports
15:21 tcohen should I fill another bug for this one?
15:21 jcamins Yes.
15:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1053: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1053/
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9629 - Replace YUI button on patron category administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9630 - Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9631 - Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9632 - Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9633 - Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9635 - Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9629 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on patron category administration pages with Bootstrap
15:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9636 - Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9637 - Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:46 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9630 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on cities and towns administration page with Bootstrap
15:46 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9639 - Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9640 - Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9641 - Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:46 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9642 - Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types page with Bootstrap
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on classification sources administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9643 - Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9644 - Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9632 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the currencies administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9645 - Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:47 * Owen Leonard: Bug 9646 - Replace YUI button on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the itemtypes administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9635 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on label batches pages with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9636 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on labels pages with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9637 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on local use system preferences page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on MARC tag structure toolbar with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9640 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on record matching rules page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the Koha news management page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9642 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the patron attribute types administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9643 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the road types administration page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9644 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI button on the suggestions management page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9645 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the quotes management page with Bootstrap
15:47 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on the printers administration page with Bootstrap
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15:57 jcamins Greetings, sekjal!
15:57 sekjal hi, jcamins
15:58 * chris_n shakes his fist at canonical
15:59 jcamins How are things at UMass?
16:00 sekjal going pretty well.  just got back from Code4Lib, and have lots of exciting projects to consider
16:00 jcamins Does one of them give you more than 24 hours in a day?
16:01 'Cause that would be really useful!
16:01 sekjal no, I don't think that was discussed this year, not even in a lightning talk
16:01 jcamins Aww.
16:01 I could really use it, too.
16:02 sekjal got an intro to Ruby on Rails, though
16:02 jcamins sekjal: did they give you any hints on how to prevent libraries spontaneously becoming incompatible?
16:03 sekjal no, we just did a very basic intro using the RailsBridge materials
16:04 bag hey sekjal
16:04 sekjal oh, and 0 evaluates to true
16:04 in Ruby
16:04 hey, bag!
16:04 jcamins sekjal: like in Bourne shell? Weird.
16:05 sekjal yeah... Code4Lib is huge on RoR, but I just can't get into it.  I have Perl and PHP, and that'll do pretty much anything I need
16:05 but if I want to modify/understand some else's code, guess I need to learn it
16:05 * jcamins is using PHP to write a cataloging system right now... first time in about a decade that I did something with PHP.
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16:06 sekjal bag:  beer #4 turned out really, really well!
16:06 bag nice nice - I just did a maple brown yesterday
16:06 jcamins What kind did you make?
16:07 sekjal a dark brown ale with cinnamon.  tastes like raisin bread
16:07 bag sounds interesting
16:07 sekjal: that most important question…  Thinking about going to Reno?
16:08 reiveune bye
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16:09 sekjal bag: considering it; got it on my calendar
16:09 would need to figure out the funding and time off from work, though
16:09 bag good great awesome!
16:09 sekjal it'd be really awesome to see everyone
16:10 * kf waves at sekjal
16:11 sekjal hi, kf!
16:14 * sekjal is cataloging his music, and trying not to freeze
16:14 jcamins sekjal: in Koha? :)
16:15 sekjal jcamins:  Musicbrainz for now, but I'll want to make full metadata records out of the ID3 tags (as well as authority entries for artists)
16:15 jcamins Aww.
16:15 tcohen jcamins, do we like switch statements in koha code?
16:16 jcamins We like for () statements.
16:16 use Switch is deprecated, and given/when is considered "experimental"
16:16 Let me find the bug with the discussion.
16:18 http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsy[…]Switch-Statements
16:19 tcohen ok, i won't refactor code then :-P
16:19 * tcohen runs away just in case
16:20 jcamins Hehe.
16:20 If it will make your patch easier to understand, go ahead and refactor in a different patch.
16:20 (i.e. two patches on the one bug)
16:23 kf *sigh* stealth_mode--
16:24 jcamins What's stealth mode?
16:24 kf in our ticket system... it means my answer went nowhere
16:24 it is good when you wnat to do bulk changes
16:24 jcamins Ah.
16:25 kf but it easy to forget to turn it off....
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17:28 mib_vi5nnw hi
17:28 autoemailopacuser not working
17:28 having any soution
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18:11 Brooke o/
18:11 jcamins o/
18:11 Topic for #koha is now druthb :)
18:11 Brooke ack
18:11 jcamins lol
18:11 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to irc://irc.oftc.net/#koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org/
18:11 Morthland Is there a guide to update Koha some where? I need to move from 3.8 to 3.10/
18:15 I seem to recall it being real simple last time, but I cant find the documentation now]
18:15 jcamins Morthland: look at the end of the install file.
18:15 If you're using packages, it's even simpler.
18:15 "Install new version."
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18:15 jcamins "Wait."
18:15 "Reindex."
18:15 "Enjoy."
18:18 Morthland I'm on ubuntu, so no packages.
18:18 jcamins Packages work fine on Ubuntu.
18:18 Morthland You mean the end of the install file on the wiki
18:18 ?
18:18 jcamins No, there's a file called INSTALL.debian (which you read even for Ubuntu).
18:19 Morthland Oh. I thought you had to be running Debian
18:19 Brooke packages_+_Ubuntu++
18:19 jcamins Nope.
18:19 I use the packages on Ubuntu.
18:19 Brooke and I am pleased that this has come to pass
18:19 jcamins Wait, actually, I'm using Debian in production again. Ubuntu angered me.
18:19 Brooke for yea, Ubuntu is teh awesome.
18:19 Morthland Will it be a problem if I installed it without packages to use the package update?
18:20 * Brooke is still grateful for packages + Ubuntu. So there :P
18:20 jcamins You can switch from non-packages to packages, but it's not quite as simple.
18:20 There's a guide somewhere on the wiki.
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18:25 mib_k1ip5y helo
18:26 maximep oh, that's a cool new bot
18:29 cait yep :)
18:32 mib_k1ip5y witch programing language is used to comunicate in z39.50 in koha
18:32 ?
18:33 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: what do you mean?
18:33 Z39.50 is a protocol.
18:36 mib_k1ip5y yes I know but in client side some code must conect witch server z39.50
18:36 cait the configuration is done in the gui - administration > z39.50 servers
18:38 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: the answer to your question is probably either "Perl" or "C" but I don't understand your question.
18:38 first question?
18:38 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
18:38 jcamins ^^ mib_k1ip5y
18:41 mib_k1ip5y I look for implement conection in .net but I can't find specification for this protocol
18:42 jcamins Have you looked at how MarcEdit does it?
18:43 mib_k1ip5y I test it but I need more info about z39.50
18:44 vfernandes bye people :)
18:44 gaetan_B bye !
18:44 jcamins Right, but MarcEdit is written in .NET.
18:44 Morthland Following the upgrade instructions, when I run $ perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log
18:44 it starts a fresh install
18:45 jcamins Did you try searching Google for "z39.50 .net client"? Because I found the answer to your question on the first result of the first page.
18:45 rangi you did put the patch to the actual log eh?
18:45 jcamins Morthland: you replaced /path/to/koha-install-log with the actual path?
18:45 rangi heh
18:45 morning
18:45 cait Morthland: it asks 2 questions - for icu and dom - maybe that's what you see?
18:46 Morthland Yes, it is set to /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:46 I Ctl-Ced out. Let me rerun it.
18:47 mib_k1ip5y you think about yaz ?
18:47 Morthland I see, "by default, Koha can be installed one of three ways, standard, single, dev
18:48 jcamins mib_k1ip5y: http://jai-on-asp.blogspot.com[…]-zoomnet-and.html
18:49 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_19_February_2013
18:49 cait Morthland: m that does not look right
18:50 Morthland: and the patch is correct to the log?
18:50 s/patch/path
18:50 Morthland I'm afraid I don't catch your meaning.
18:50 mib_k1ip5y I test this code but when i serch in z39.50 i can't  use  marc21
18:51 cait /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log - is an existing file?
18:51 Morthland yes
18:51 cait hm
18:51 not sure then
18:51 rangi hmm, is that where a tarball install puts it? cos that looks like a package install location, but they might do the same
18:51 cait I did run the make upgrade a little while back and it worked ok for me
18:51 rangi open that file, what does it say?
18:52 should look like
18:52 KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.10.02.000
18:52 LOG_DIR=/var/log/koha
18:52 DB_TYPE=mysql
18:52 (numbers and paths different)
18:52 Morthland That's what I've got.
18:52 For 3.08.03
18:53 rangi what does it say for WEBMASTER_EMAIL ?
18:53 Morthland webmaster@LibraryServer
18:53 rangi right, so yep that looks ok
18:54 Morthland should I move the file?
18:54 rangi no
18:54 cait rangi: could it be something related to permissions? the file can't be read or something?
18:54 Morthland I'm running the command sudo
18:55 rangi heres what i get running it here
18:55 6307 koha:f5220e4!? %  perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log
18:55 Reading values from install log /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log.  You
18:55 will be prompted only for settings that have been
18:55 Morthland I see my problem
18:55 Facepalm
18:56 I'm running the flag --prev--instal--log
18:56 That fixed it
18:56 jcamins rangi: "!?" ?
18:57 Changed and...
18:57 Morthland It'
18:57 It's listed a bunch of perl dependencies, I should install these before running make?
18:58 * cait hands Morthland the cookie tin
18:58 cait it's a monday problem
18:58 rangi changed and not synced
18:59 jcamins Ah, nifty.
19:02 Morthland Some of these dependencies I'm sure I have, MooseX::Types, for example. I guess they are just out of date
19:02 rangi thats not required anyway, just optional
19:02 cait Morthland: I tink you only need that if you wanted to switch on solr
19:02 rangi so id ignore that
19:03 cait yeah, I did so far
19:03 * rangi goes to take the kids to school
19:03 cait bye rangi
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20:20 rangi back
20:23 cait wb
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20:26 cait hi kathryn
20:26 kathryn hi cait!
20:26 rangi well maybe bgkriegel or tcohen will understand that email, because I dont
20:27 jcamins Heh.
20:27 wizzyrea hehe
20:28 drojf my guess is "can i put my ebooks (as in files) into koha", but not sure
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20:45 bgkriegel hi
20:48 rangi hi bgkriegel
20:48 bgkriegel Hi rangi. I wrote to him (in spanish) that his email was not understandable (was reading the irc logs)
20:49 wizzyrea bgkriegel++
20:49 always better when people can get help in their native language anyway :)
20:49 bgkriegel yeah :)
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21:16 Morthland As of update to 3.10, receiving this error at opac:
21:16 Can't locate DateTime/Format/MySQL.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 30. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm li
21:16 wizzyrea yep, you probably need to install the new dependency
21:17 libdatetime-format-perl
21:18 rangi thats where the packages rule :) they pull all those in for you
21:18 Morthland It wont let me install the dependency
21:19 Says the test is failing
21:19 if I apt-get install, will that fix?
21:19 rangi yes
21:19 always apt-get install
21:19 only use CPAN as utter last resort
21:19 Morthland Good to know
21:20 rangi because if you use CPAN you have to remember to watch all the bug trackers and watch for security updates and upgrade etc
21:20 packagers take care of that for you
21:20 and debian security team (who ubuntu shamelessy use :))
21:20 Morthland I got Unable to locate package
21:21 rangi libdatetime-format-mysql-perl
21:21 is the name
21:21 Morthland is that the standard naming scheme for Perl Packages?
21:22 cait :)
21:22 jcamins Yes.
21:22 Morthland now I get forwarded to the maintenence page
21:23 wizzyrea yep, now you need to hit the intranet and do your DB update
21:23 Morthland Gotchya
21:24 Thanks.
21:26 This has been a much trickier upgrade then my upgrade from 3.2 to 3.8. I ought to switch to packages.
21:27 wizzyrea the packages do handle many of the more unpleasant upgrade tasks for you
21:27 jcamins The only one they don't handle is deciding whether or not to upgrade, in fact.
21:29 Morthland My only issue is that I run a hacked up version of koha.
21:29 rangi you can build your own packages
21:29 jcamins That's what I do.
21:30 * jcamins also runs a hacked-up version.
21:30 Morthland Like when LCCN wasn't an available Z3950 query, we changed that script
21:30 jcamins Well, not so much hacked-up as, I aggressively backport bugfixes.
21:30 rangi or better yet, submit patches :)
21:30 * jcamins does that.
21:30 jcamins All the patches I run are in _a_ version of Koha.
21:31 Morthland I submitted that patch.
21:31 Takes a while.
21:31 jcamins (which is to say, you can do it!)
21:31 bgkriegel jcamins: what version are you running?
21:32 jcamins bgkriegel: 3.6.10ish.
21:32 + a bunch of fixes and a few enhancements from 3.8 and 3.10
21:32 bgkriegel hacked-up already :)
21:33 jcamins Hehe.
21:40 cait good night all :)
21:41 bgkriegel night cait
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22:47 alohabot Hi mib_vozrm0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :)
22:47 mib_vozrm0 what are some good irc chennals?
22:49 wizzyrea well obv ours is the best one :P
22:49 bgkriegel :)
22:52 * jcamins proceeds to get "Seven-and-a-half cents" stuck in Shari's head.
22:52 * dcook concurs
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