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| 00:07 | eythian | wahanui: cory doctorow is not a real doctor. |
| 00:07 | wahanui | ...but cory doctorow is not a real Doctor.... |
| 00:07 | eythian | oh right |
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| 00:54 | rangi | C4::Search? |
| 00:54 | wahanui | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7[…]751872/hE32ABD60/ |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | omg. |
| 00:57 | cjh | lol |
| 01:11 | Dyrcona | :) |
| 01:11 | dcook | hehe |
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| 01:34 | mtj | wow , just spotted this -> http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]indexing-to-koha/ |
| 01:34 | bywater++ equinox++ | |
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| 01:48 | mtj | ^^ yeah, what she said… :p |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/en[…]1_million_per_day we should do something like this koha vs sirsi |
| 02:57 | jcamins_away | Blurgh. Sometimes XSLT is a real nightmare. |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | ya think? |
| 02:58 | jcamins_away | I want to convert the first bit into the second bit: http://paste.koha-community.org/392 |
| 03:02 | eythian | I like how it considers Dunedin to be the centre of NZ |
| 03:03 | mtj | wizzyrea++ awesome idea |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | and what's with the kansas-area huge US dot. or is that just "from the US" |
| 03:04 | that must be what eythian is saying. | |
| 03:04 | hm that is odd. strange. | |
| 03:04 | but yes | |
| 03:04 | the idea, i like | |
| 03:04 | of course our downloads are nowhere near that | |
| 03:05 | cjh | we can scale a bit :P |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | well because a person could download OO for multiple computers |
| 03:05 | mtj | i think the dot is sposed to be center of each country |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | when someone downloads koha it's probably once, maybe twice |
| 03:05 | and we can't really track git clones or package installes | |
| 03:06 | installs* | |
| 03:06 | can we? | |
| 03:06 | so it would probably be self reporting | |
| 03:07 | @quote get 123 | |
| 03:07 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 03:07 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | I just wanted to laugh at that cartoon again. |
| 03:08 | mtj | liz, ive always dreamt of a 'submit info to kc.org' feature, for koha |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | yep, I know :) |
| 03:09 | mtj | lol |
| 03:10 | one day…. ! | |
| 03:13 | wizzyrea | yuss bug 9611 |
| 03:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 03:14 | wizzyrea | ^^^ really really important |
| 03:18 | mtj | nice, i'll test it later tonite |
| 03:18 | … after my space-bar cools down | |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | hehehehehe |
| 03:22 | dcook | Ohhh, I like that idea, mtj |
| 03:23 | * dcook | shudders at cartoon |
| 03:23 | wizzyrea | that is like, life as a koha developer. |
| 03:23 | "III is broken. Can you make Koha do it like III did?" | |
| 03:24 | what? why?! | |
| 03:41 | dcook | Hehe |
| 03:42 | I sometimes wonder what it would be like to be a dedicated systems person in a single branch library or even for just one library system | |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | it's not so much different, heh. |
| 03:42 | dcook | I was just about to write that, haha |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | just a laser focus on your micro problems, instead of the macro focus you get otherwise |
| 03:43 | dcook | Pretty much, eh? |
| 03:43 | Does the icon come in cornflower blue? | |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | funny you should say cornflower |
| 03:44 | it was the color I was trying to think of earlier | |
| 03:44 | no not THAT shade of cornflower. | |
| 03:44 | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi[…]ornflower_-_3.jpg | |
| 03:44 | that is not at all the color I would call "cornflower" | |
| 03:45 | http://img.ehowcdn.com/article[…]-blue-800x800.jpg that's closer | |
| 03:46 | dcook | Mmm, true enough |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | what is the deal with girls taking pictures of their fingernails. |
| 03:46 | dcook | lol |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | strange internet thing. |
| 03:47 | dcook | Now it is funny that you mention that |
| 03:47 | My partner has a pet peeve about that, which I hear about every few weeks :p | |
| 03:47 | I just tell her to stop going on Instagram | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | follow different people is the solution I ahve |
| 03:47 | dcook | Mmm, that's another one I proposed |
| 03:48 | Shot down both times | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | also koha-mysql = best idea |
| 03:48 | dcook | She also wasn't a fan of the "Future koha developer" onesie. I don't know about her.. |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | evar |
| 03:48 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:48 | * wizzyrea | resists the urge to suggest you dump her |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | i am sure that she has many fine qualities |
| 03:49 | or huge... tracts of land. | |
| 03:50 | dcook | I'm going to go with the many other fine qualities, and firm yet supple tight embrace. |
| 03:51 | I didn't realize that you were actually in Kansas | |
| 03:51 | * wizzyrea | is actually not |
| 03:51 | dcook | Crafty |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | anymore :) |
| 03:52 | dcook | I still go by Canadian Librarian. I figure I can keep the adjective so long as I keep my accent :p |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | haha! |
| 03:52 | * wizzyrea | wonders where you got kansas from |
| 03:55 | dcook | LinkedIn and then the comment above about Kansas |
| 03:55 | Check your inbox :p | |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | ohhh |
| 03:56 | jcamins_away | Ha! I have stylesheets to HTMLize and deHTMLize my records! |
| 03:56 | dcook | Excellent, jcamins_away! |
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| 03:56 | dcook | ...why? |
| 03:57 | wizzyrea | oh, I should change linkedin |
| 03:57 | dcook | Damned personal identity management, eh? |
| 03:57 | * dcook | still has a few websites from the past to change/remove |
| 03:58 | jcamins_away | dcook: so I don't have to use TinyMCE's sharply limited XML support. |
| 03:58 | http://paste.koha-community.org/393 | |
| 03:58 | ^^ the XSLT | |
| 03:58 | The weird PHP is just the xml declaration. | |
| 03:58 | And disregard the <textarea> tags, that just seemed like the simplest way to stick them inline. | |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | well now it's proper :P |
| 04:00 | ok I'm outtie | |
| 04:01 | later peeps :) | |
| 04:01 | dcook | Ahh, I thought that you were in NZ |
| 04:01 | Glad to know I'm not the only North American down here :p | |
| 04:01 | * jcamins_away | has successfully erased the record while trying to save it. |
| 04:01 | jcamins_away | Whoops. |
| 04:01 | dcook | later, wizzyrea |
| 04:01 | Eeep, jcamins_away | |
| 04:02 | Alas, I'm not sure that I follow your XSLT, but...gotta go | |
| 04:02 | * jcamins_away | is leaving as well, actually. |
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| 05:39 | rangi | we should run stats on teh package downloads |
| 05:39 | i have stats for the tarballs | |
| 05:40 | the packages are just served by a webserver, so we will have access logs for them | |
| 05:42 | qu-bit joined #koha | |
| 05:51 | mtj | oooh, thats a good idea |
| 05:51 | dcook | Stats! Stats! |
| 05:57 | mtj | bbiab... |
| 05:57 | wahanui | bbiab is Be Back In A Bit |
| 06:02 | rangi | perhaps not the best lullaby to show my kids before be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc20vMz0V7Q |
| 06:09 | qu-bit joined #koha | |
| 06:39 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 06:43 | dcook | Salut paul_p, et bon soir, #koha |
| 06:44 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 06:45 | * francharb | waves |
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| 07:18 | cait joined #koha | |
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| 07:27 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:28 | alex_a_ | hello |
| 07:28 | magnuse | bonjour alex_a_ |
| 07:29 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | magnuse | freezing! |
| 07:29 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:29 | magnuse | hah! |
| 07:29 | ;-) | |
| 07:30 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 07:30 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -6.3°C (8:30 AM CET on February 14, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:30 | magnuse | wow! |
| 07:31 | poor cait | |
| 07:32 | cait | staying in my warm home today |
| 07:32 | so not that poor | |
| 07:32 | ok, have to study... so yeah, you are right | |
| 07:32 | magnuse | ooh, good idea! |
| 07:32 | staying in, i mean | |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:44 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
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| 08:00 | asaurat | hi |
| 08:00 | wahanui | salut, asaurat |
| 08:04 | cait | hi asaurat :) |
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| 08:06 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:42 | mtj | bonjour francharb, magnuse, reiveune, asaurat, gaetan_B, cait |
| 08:42 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 08:42 | francharb | 0/ mtj |
| 08:42 | magnuse | kia ora mtj |
| 08:43 | reiveune | salut mtj |
| 08:44 | mtj | which biblibrians are in India… just paul.p? |
| 08:44 | rangi | oh mtj you'll enjoy this |
| 08:44 | C4::Search? | |
| 08:44 | wahanui | https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7[…]751872/hE32ABD60/ |
| 08:44 | magnuse | mtj: yup, think so |
| 08:44 | tee hee | |
| 08:45 | mtj | note to self, never drink on the job |
| 08:46 | wow, i wonder what the story is behind that photo - some kids joy-riding the vehicle? | |
| 08:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #271 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:53 | sophie_m | mtj: yes, only Paul is in India |
| 08:53 | hello #koha | |
| 08:54 | rangi | hi sophie_m |
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| 09:00 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 09:01 | drojf | hei magnuse |
| 09:01 | cait++ | |
| 09:01 | cait | hm? |
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| 09:08 | mtj | ok, heres a random jscript/jquery Q…. |
| 09:09 | has anyone bumped into a problem/solution for loading js files… and not being able to see/debug them, in firebug? | |
| 09:10 | the solution seems to be… use a hacked version of jQuery.getScript()? | |
| 09:12 | on locally pathed files, to force them to be loaded as absolute urls - so they show in firebug/chrome's debugger | |
| 09:13 | ...surely some other poor soul has hit this problem? | |
| 09:13 | cait | ? |
| 09:13 | what are you trying to do? | |
| 09:14 | drojf | mtj: you want them to show, but they don't, not the other way round? |
| 09:15 | mtj | i'm trying to add breakpoints, and step thru a .js file… that wont show in my debugger |
| 09:16 | .. but is successfully being executed by my browser | |
| 09:23 | drojf | not a direct answer to your question, but newer firefoxes have some fancy web developer stuff too, maybe it shows in there? |
| 09:25 | mtj | its basically this problem, for the curious… -> http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]etscript-function |
| 09:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #271: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/271/ |
| 09:26 | * Chris Cormack: test | |
| 09:26 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 9502 - famfamfam wronly linked in 3.8.x | |
| 09:26 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl | |
| 09:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9502 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Signed Off , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9 |
| 09:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl | |
| 09:26 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:27 | mtj | … and this too -> http://techmonks.net/getscript-and-firebug-code/ |
| 09:27 | drojf | that's an interesting problem |
| 09:35 | mtj | yeah, the good news is… the fix is working for me |
| 09:36 | btu, what im stuck on is, i cant work out how to move my new getScript2 function into a new file.js | |
| 09:36 | .. and have another .js file call that function() in that other file | |
| 09:37 | all pretty trivial stuff… thats just not quite working, atm :/ | |
| 09:43 | . | |
| 09:43 | ok , got it... :) | |
| 09:44 | i cheated and just loaded it inline | |
| 09:44 | <script type="text/JavaScript" src="/mystuff/getScript2.js"></script> | |
| 09:45 | drojf | :) |
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| 10:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #63: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/63/ |
| 10:07 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9380 - branch not recording right on writeoff | |
| 10:07 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9222: manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl | |
| 10:07 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium | |
| 10:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9380 critical, P1 - high, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , branch not recording right on writeoff |
| 10:07 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9222 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , manual history reversed in subscription-detail.pl | |
| 10:07 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium | |
| 10:07 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #272 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 10:22 | alohabot | Hi mib_a92qkg, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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| 10:37 | drojf | heh. scared off by the bot |
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| 10:44 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #272: SUCCESS in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/272/ |
| 10:44 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium | |
| 10:44 | * Chris Cormack: Revert "test" | |
| 10:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium |
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| 12:51 | * drojf | can't reproduce paul_p's problem with the paid support page |
| 13:09 | * magnuse | neither |
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| 13:13 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:17 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC | |
| 13:39 | slef | hi |
| 13:39 | wahanui | salut, slef |
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| 14:36 | mtj | hey oleonard, about? |
| 14:36 | oleonard | yes |
| 14:36 | mtj | im just looking at this old bug 8679 |
| 14:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove usage of Amazon API |
| 14:37 | mtj | and… i cant see how amazon cover-images would still work after the patch?! |
| 14:37 | oleonard | Amazon cover images don't rely on the API |
| 14:37 | They're all HTTP | |
| 14:38 | <img src="path/to/amazon/ ISBN from Koha"> | |
| 14:38 | mtj | aaah, too easy :) |
| 14:39 | hey, while you are about… i have another idea that have been meaning to ask you about… | |
| 14:40 | * oleonard | checks the clock, wonders if mtj needs a glass of warm milk or a bottle of Nyquil |
| 14:40 | mtj | .. its basically a patch to force the creation of customised opac divs, *even* if the syspref contains no content |
| 14:41 | oleonard | Why? |
| 14:41 | mtj | like OpacMainUserBlock and OpacNav, etc... |
| 14:42 | because people would find those divs/spans very useful for jquery manipulation… if they existed | |
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| 14:44 | mtj | im doing some opac customising with jquery atm - and as a work-around, im having to paste <hidden> stuff, into each syspref |
| 14:45 | oleonard | In the case of OpacNav, the whole column isn't displayed if there is no content. Not sure how you'd accommodate those who really didn't want anything there |
| 14:45 | mtj | … to get it to 'appear' on the page, so i can insert new content into it, etc |
| 14:45 | oleonard | mtj, is there not some kind of meaningful placeholder text you can enter? |
| 14:45 | mtj | yeah, i've noticed that one is a uniq problem |
| 14:46 | welll, ive currently got … div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!!!</div> | |
| 14:46 | oleonard | By meaningful I mean, meaningful to someone who might visit the page with javascript disabled for instance |
| 14:46 | mtj | … not sure how 'meaningful' that is to the client |
| 14:47 | cait | mtj: what about <-- some other information goes here -->? |
| 14:47 | well with <!-- | |
| 14:47 | magnuse | that will look cool for users without javascript enabled ;-) |
| 14:48 | mtj | so, with the exeption of OpacNav, *would* my patch be a problem? |
| 14:50 | oleonard | The problem is that we don't know how others have customized those areas. It could be that folks have applied a style to those areas which would show even with no content (background color, border, etc) |
| 14:51 | mtj | hmm, that seems pretty unlikely?! |
| 14:52 | oleonard | It doesn't to me. A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content? |
| 14:52 | mtj | A custom background or border for OpacMainUserBlock content… that doesnt exist?! |
| 14:53 | oleonard | mtj: Consider an OPAC where the content changes, but the CSS is static. |
| 14:54 | Sometimes there is something in OpacMainUserBlock, sometimes there isn't. | |
| 14:54 | Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it never happens. But it seems like there are better ways to solve your particular problem. | |
| 14:55 | I liked cait's suggestion of a comment if you're unable to put meaningful content there for non-js users. | |
| 14:56 | cait | I think I am with oleonard |
| 14:56 | mtj | meh, its a pretty brittle/unsatisfing solultion to me |
| 14:57 | cait | having something around without content seems weird tome :) |
| 14:57 | only blowing up the html | |
| 14:57 | even yes, tiny little bit | |
| 14:58 | mtj | if its a useful patch, the increase in size is worth it |
| 14:59 | and, its not weird - its *useful* | |
| 14:59 | cait | :) |
| 15:00 | oleonard | mtj: If the addition of a couple of small comments to your system prefs is too onerous, perhaps you could look at different ways of enhancing the existing markup to provide the hooks you need |
| 15:02 | mtj | well, thats a good alternative idea, thanks |
| 15:05 | i'll see if i can add some extra ids to existing elements | |
| 15:05 | cait | slides? |
| 15:05 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 15:05 | cait | study is <reply> Go back to your books! |
| 15:05 | study? | |
| 15:05 | wahanui | Go back to wahanui's books! |
| 15:05 | cait | um. |
| 15:05 | forget study | |
| 15:05 | wahanui | cait: I forgot study |
| 15:05 | oleonard | wahanui: It's always about you isn't it? |
| 15:05 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, oleonard |
| 15:06 | cait | study is <reply> Go back to \your books! |
| 15:06 | study? | |
| 15:06 | wahanui | Go back to your books! |
| 15:06 | oleonard | How could this book possibly be worth $1/page? http://www.alastore.ala.org/detail.aspx?ID=4019 |
| 15:09 | Dyrcona | oleonard: Only $34 for the ebook! What a bargain! :p |
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| 15:11 | drojf | Tips for using rotating banner ads to draw attention to website content, a technique which brought in 3,000+ page views for a post about the new library catalog |
| 15:11 | yes, we need a lot of that | |
| 15:13 | i nominate this the most useless book of the day | |
| 15:16 | i hope they have a page or two about "how to make friends by not displaying your opac to people that have cookies disabled" | |
| 15:16 | because that is what they do | |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Huh? |
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| 15:20 | jcamins | Why wouldn't you display an OPAC to people with cookies disabled? |
| 15:20 | I can see not allowing logins, but not displaying? | |
| 15:21 | drojf | i have no idea. inferior library system? http://catalog.tscpl.org |
| 15:21 | magnuse | hey, they published a short book, so you don't have to read a long one, which will save you time and time is, as we all know, money. makes perfect sense! |
| 15:21 | drojf | i get to see the opac for a second and then i get an error |
| 15:21 | aaaah. right! that explains it, magnuse. and not seeing the opac saves me time to | |
| 15:21 | too | |
| 15:21 | magnuse | yup |
| 15:22 | drojf | geniuses |
| 15:22 | magnuse | saves you from reading more long books, in fact |
| 15:22 | drojf | true |
| 15:22 | oleonard | Why would you create a whole new version of delicious.com which shows a blank page if you have JS disabled? |
| 15:22 | drojf | lol |
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| 15:23 | drojf | oleonard: i assume it is because google analytics needs js. why would you offer free content to people you cannot track? |
| 15:27 | * oleonard | hopes the tscpl.org folks at least see our no-cookie visits in their logs to make them think |
| 15:29 | drojf | yeah. right :P |
| 15:29 | oleonard | :) |
| 15:44 | * oleonard | cheers! |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Bug 9420 |
| 15:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Work on Bootstrap for Koha |
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| 16:01 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:08 | tcohen | hi, is there a way to create an SQL report with a user provided value that is used several times? |
| 16:09 | jcamins | I don't think there is. |
| 16:10 | tcohen | i think there should :-P |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Yeah, that would definitely make sense. |
| 16:13 | tcohen | are we allowed to do things like SET @var = 2012; within reports? |
| 16:14 | jcamins | I don't think that works. |
| 16:15 | tcohen | it does :-D |
| 16:15 | jcamins | Really? Cool! |
| 16:15 | tcohen | (in mysql, didn't check on the reports) |
| 16:15 | (sorry) | |
| 16:15 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 16:16 | I was going to be very impressed that our reports interface was sufficiently intelligent to allow for variables. | |
| 16:18 | tcohen | for SQL reports it doesnt sound difficult |
| 16:18 | we could have a small form for adding variables, right? | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Makes sense to me. |
| 16:37 | rambutan | fwiw : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023[…]n-house-in-order/ |
| 16:43 | oleonard | rambutan: So I shouldn't use WebKit as the rendering engine for the standalone Windows Koha client I've been developing in secret? |
| 16:50 | cait_afk | oleonard++ |
| 16:50 | I don't know how you do it - getting so much done, but very glad you can :) | |
| 16:51 | oleonard | By neglecting everything around me usually ;) |
| 16:51 | cait_afk | heh as long as it works :) |
| 16:51 | well... 4 of my 6 assignments are done... | |
| 16:51 | study? | |
| 16:51 | wahanui | Go back to your books! |
| 16:56 | cait_afk | *grump* |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 17:03 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #60: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet, but she's got great bib control." (added by gmcharlt at 05:31 PM, February 19, 2010) |
| 17:04 | oleonard | Well that's out of date now |
| 17:05 | gmcharlt | but it clearly needs to stick around so that she can be properly embarassed the first time she joins #koha ;) |
| 17:05 | oleonard | How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" |
| 17:06 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | @quote add <oleonard> How about "Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" |
| 17:06 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #233 added. |
| 17:34 | cait_afk | :) |
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| 18:16 | tcohen | jcamins_away: is SET @val = XX ; "too mysqlish"? |
| 18:19 | #koha? | |
| 18:22 | cait_afk | tcohen: if we worry about that... maybe it could be a 'koha syntax' that just adds the variable at the right places in the sql? |
| 18:22 | or maybe even easier | |
| 18:23 | for placeholders with the same name, replace them not only once, but every time they occur in the sql | |
| 18:23 | so if you have <<Library|branches>> and a bit further down the same again, show only one field in Koha and replace twice | |
| 18:24 | tcohen | cait_afk: i was thinking of a small form for creating variables for SQL and a + button to insert them |
| 18:24 | (in the code) | |
| 18:24 | cait_afk | not sure I understand how that would work. hm. |
| 18:25 | so this is different to our current runtime parameters? | |
| 18:25 | tcohen | first, replace every occurence of a variable for the same value (as you suggest) |
| 18:25 | second, provide a way to make it harder to misspell them | |
| 18:26 | jcamins_away | I like cait_afk's suggestion. |
| 18:26 | tcohen | yeah, me tooo, its cleaner, right? |
| 18:27 | cait_afk | i was thinking it miht be easier to understand for people who are not so technical |
| 18:27 | jcamins_away | Exactly. |
| 18:27 | * jcamins_away | leaves. |
| 18:28 | tcohen | bien chbien hce |
| 18:29 | cait_afk | huh? :) |
| 18:29 | tcohen | I have focus problems |
| 18:29 | cait_afk | ah not only you |
| 18:29 | * cait_afk | goes back to her books with a loud sigh |
| 18:29 | tcohen | lol |
| 18:32 | cait_afk: i hate it when I find this kind of code inside Koha's source... | |
| 18:33 | cait_afk | hm? |
| 18:34 | tcohen | nevermind |
| 18:37 | cait_afk | scare the qam and then nevermind :P |
| 18:39 | tcohen | too much code on the .pl and no .pm for this specific functionality |
| 18:40 | that's all | |
| 18:45 | cait_afk | ah |
| 18:45 | yeah, probably older code | |
| 18:45 | soem of the guided reports code is .... | |
| 18:45 | and not very friendly about translations on top of everything. | |
| 18:46 | tcohen | exactly |
| 18:48 | bye #koha | |
| 18:49 | cait_afk: i'll fill a bug on this as soon as i get home, i promise patch for tomorrow, tennis session ahead | |
| 18:49 | cait_afk | nice have fun :) |
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| 19:22 | Dyrcona | @later tell jcamins_away Fun with legacy data: http://pastebin.com/2LWwCjLS |
| 19:22 | huginn | Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:33 | oleonard | Is there more we could do to optimize caching of Koha resources which don't change, like images, css, js? |
| 19:34 | jcamins_away | oleonard: we could probably improve our Apache/nginx configuration. |
| 19:34 | Dyrcona: fun indeed. | |
| 19:35 | Dyrcona | jcamins_away: Fortunately, I'm not the one dealing with it directly but offering advice to the sucker^Wadministrator over IRC. |
| 19:41 | oleonard | I see we do have 'ExpiresDefault "access plus 1 year"' for the koha-tmpl directory |
| 19:42 | cait_afk | Dyrcona: at least you got indicators :P |
| 19:43 | jcamins_away | True. |
| 19:43 | Dyrcona | :) |
| 19:43 | * oleonard | should stop poking his nose into things he doesn't understand... |
| 19:43 | Dyrcona | I don't know what ILS they come from originally, but I know it was proprietary. |
| 19:45 | jcamins_away | Dyrcona: ezcat or atriuum, I think. |
| 19:46 | Dyrcona | jcamins_away: So you've that kind of damage before, then? |
| 19:46 | * jcamins_away | hasn't used data from ezcat or atriuum, but I've seen it. |
| 19:46 | cait_afk | oleonard: which things are you looking at? |
| 19:47 | oleonard | server configuration options to improve caching of static resources |
| 19:47 | except I'm not, because I stopped | |
| 19:48 | I ask politely that someone smarter than me do so :) | |
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| 19:51 | cait_afk | :) |
| 19:52 | you are pretty smart - but maybe someone with a different area of expertise | |
| 19:52 | or something like that :) | |
| 19:53 | drojf | studyß |
| 19:53 | study? | |
| 19:53 | wahanui | Go back to your books! |
| 19:53 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 19:53 | drojf | why am i always to weak to hit shift for the '?'? |
| 19:54 | oleonard | drojf: Don't interrupt cait_afk when she's telling me how smart I am! :P |
| 19:54 | drojf | sorry :) |
| 19:54 | it was meant for me actually | |
| 19:55 | oleonard | I'll bet wizzyrea knows all about configuring servers for smart caching of static resources |
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| 20:00 | cait_afk | heh |
| 20:00 | * cait_afk | waves |
| 20:00 | cait_afk | i am having dinner... back to study? after that |
| 20:00 | drojf | ha. that's what you think |
| 20:00 | i had dinner and now i am tired and lazy and hang around here | |
| 20:00 | cait_afk | no, that's waht I know, - so close now! |
| 20:00 | send in 5 out of 6 I had to send in :) | |
| 20:00 | can't give up now, can I? | |
| 20:01 | drojf | no, you can't |
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| 20:02 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea++ |
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| 20:26 | gaetan_B | it seems koha only sends the account details email when you have manually filled the userid and password for a new borrower, am i wrong ? |
| 20:29 | cait_afk | in my tests it only worked for new borrowers - filling in all data in the big formI think |
| 20:29 | you can't resend it later with the password change functionality or something like that | |
| 20:29 | it's a dangerous feature anyway :( | |
| 20:30 | jcamins_away | Borrower details e-mail? |
| 20:30 | I think you can disable it. | |
| 20:32 | rangi | morning |
| 20:32 | cait_afk | yep |
| 20:32 | you have to activate it - it's off by default | |
| 20:32 | but when you do goes out to all new patrons, regardless of category | |
| 20:32 | rangi | excellent, that is how it should be |
| 20:32 | cait_afk | morning rangi |
| 20:32 | jcamins_away | So, leave it disabled. |
| 20:32 | cait_afk | I do :) just telling gaetan_B that this feature is not ideal |
| 20:32 | * jcamins_away | does not see any problem with it. |
| 20:33 | cait_afk | not in a bug kind of way :) |
| 20:33 | jcamins_away | I don't have it on, and it doesn't do anything, just the way I want it. |
| 20:33 | cait_afk | jcamins_away: yep, that's the functionality part, but there is always a different story to things beside the technical details :) |
| 20:33 | gaetan_B | actuallly cait_afk i'm ok with how it works now, except for the fact it doesn't seem to send emails if you haven't filled the userid and password fields, which Koha then fill up automatically |
| 20:34 | cait_afk | gaetan_B: yeah, I don't like it because I think sending paswords plain text is not nice |
| 20:34 | gaetan_B | i thought it was a neat way to inform the patron of is userid and password without having the librarian typing them in the system |
| 20:34 | cait_afk | and we don't force people to change their passwords |
| 20:35 | gaetan_B | i thought of it as a way of initializing the account |
| 20:35 | cait_afk | yeah, I can understand why people want it - but I would like it better as a one time password they have to change maybe :) but that's just me apparently :) |
| 20:35 | jcamins_away | cait_afk: I see no use for the e-mail at all, so I don't care either way. |
| 20:35 | gaetan_B | the library can always modify the message to say patrons should log-on and modify their password now they have an account |
| 20:36 | anyway, i was just wondering if it was normal that Koha doesn't send the email if you let it autofill the userid and password | |
| 20:36 | it seems it is :) | |
| 20:36 | cait_afk | yep |
| 20:36 | rangi | sending passwords in the clear is always always always a bad idea |
| 20:36 | jcamins_away | With the existence of Mozilla Persona, I would argue that having Koha manage logins is a bad idea. |
| 20:37 | rangi | but that is at least necessary for the time being |
| 20:37 | not everyone has an email | |
| 20:37 | jcamins_away | True. |
| 20:37 | I'm not suggesting we eliminate the passwords. | |
| 20:37 | cait_afk | and not everyone can run their own persona server |
| 20:37 | rangi | speaking of passwords |
| 20:37 | the patch from srikanth will make them a lot more secure | |
| 20:38 | (its totally feasible to brute force md5 for 8 or less chars now) | |
| 20:38 | and i bet 90% of ppl have short passwords :) | |
| 20:38 | cait_afk | ew |
| 20:39 | sadly we still cant force them to rset | |
| 20:39 | reset | |
| 20:39 | rangi | no but when its accepted |
| 20:39 | ill do a followup | |
| 20:39 | so on login | |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | rangi: hasn't that been possible for a long time? |
| 20:39 | rangi | yes but the time taken is feasible enough to make it worth while now |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 20:40 | rangi | so the followup ill do is whenever someone logs in, it reencodes their password into bcrypt |
| 20:40 | so at least people using them, will get their passwords tidied up | |
| 20:40 | jcamins_away | Nice! |
| 20:40 | rangi | for now, it is only new passwords, and ones that people change |
| 20:40 | which is a good start | |
| 20:41 | cait_afk | it's agood start :) |
| 20:41 | rangi | but there's no reason we can't make it tidy up old ones when it sees them |
| 20:41 | cait_afk | I didn't intend to say it wasn't - it's a really good thing |
| 20:42 | rangi | oh i didnt think you had |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | right, not everyone has an email, especially in public libraries |
| 20:43 | you really can't assume ane mail address. | |
| 20:43 | jcamins_away | I was not suggesting that we eliminate passwords. |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | i'm just reiterating. |
| 20:43 | :) | |
| 20:43 | jcamins_away | What I'm saying is if you want to be serious about security, use something designed by security experts. |
| 20:43 | rangi | hence the shift to bcrypt :) |
| 20:45 | but yep i hope that eventually persona is the default (or somethign like it) and local passwords the exception | |
| 20:46 | for now i just hope persona has staved off any idea to do a login with facebook or something mad :-) | |
| 20:46 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | oh god not a facebook login. |
| 20:57 | rambutan | @seen bag |
| 20:57 | huginn | rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 48 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <bag> that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files) |
| 20:58 | bag | I'm around |
| 20:58 | hi | |
| 21:07 | cjh | hahaha koha facebook login |
| 21:07 | kathryn | you're a kohaface |
| 21:13 | oleonard | Some nice Open Source advocacy: http://weblog.bocoup.com/bring-out-your-bugs/ |
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| 21:16 | rangi | http://openhatch.org/ |
| 21:16 | who wants to sign koha up to that? | |
| 21:17 | * wizzyrea | sees openhatch and is reminded of feeding babies |
| 21:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #64 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:19 | Dyrcona | rangi++ |
| 21:19 | rangi | huh? |
| 21:19 | Dyrcona | I'm asking the Evergreen community on g+ what they think of signing up to openhatch. |
| 21:19 | rangi | ahh well i only spotted that from oleonards link :) |
| 21:20 | * jcamins_away | thinks that signing Koha up to openhatch is a great idea, and looks forward to the appearance of new developers. |
| 21:20 | Dyrcona | rangi: I saw it in there, too, but after you mentioned it in channel |
| 21:20 | * rangi | was hinting he wanted someone else to sign koha up so he didnt have to :) |
| 21:21 | jcamins_away | rangi: so I guess what you're saying is that my hinting was not too subtle to be understood as "not me"? |
| 21:21 | :) | |
| 21:22 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:22 | Dyrcona | oleonard++ # if a bit late. :p |
| 21:23 | rangi | :) |
| 21:26 | drojf | i think the vote for GSoC is "no" |
| 21:27 | rangi | hmm 1 no, and a lot of silence |
| 21:27 | ive done gsoc mentoring before, it does take a lot of time but if there was more than me id try again | |
| 21:28 | * jcamins_away | doesn't particularly agree with slef's position, but is not volunteering to coordinate. |
| 21:29 | rangi | i think gmcharlt volunteered to coordinate |
| 21:29 | drojf | lol |
| 21:29 | jcamins_away | Oh, I thought he said he _had_ coordinated. |
| 21:29 | rangi | sounds like volunteering to me |
| 21:29 | hehe | |
| 21:30 | jcamins_away | Heh. |
| 21:30 | * jcamins_away | would probaby not be a good "official" mentor. |
| 21:30 | jcamins_away | But I'd help out with the "getting started with developing Koha," since I do that a lot. |
| 21:31 | oleonard | See you later #koha |
| 21:32 | * jcamins_away | leaves as well. |
| 21:32 | jcamins_away | Good night, #koha. |
| 21:32 | drojf | ok so that is rangi, gmcharlt and jcamins_away volunteering. |
| 21:32 | cool | |
| 21:32 | jcamins_away | drojf: but if you're counting me as a mentor, you have to find someone else to be the head mentor. |
| 21:33 | drojf | what body part mentor does that make you? :D |
| 21:33 | jcamins_away | So I'm almost like a negative volunteer, since my participation requires an additional person be involved. |
| 21:34 | drojf | no, you are one of the enthusiastic flagships of volunteering that will attract others |
| 21:34 | and suddenly everybody wants to be a mentor | |
| 21:34 | maybe we can convince people that places are limited. and they have to sleep in a tent for three days waiting at the entrance to get a mentor job | |
| 21:35 | cait_afk | lol |
| 21:47 | cjh | heh |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | when did we turn into apple? |
| 21:58 | rangi | koya uni should document what they do and/or hire someone to support for them |
| 22:03 | rambutan | so it looks like to implement Mozilla persona on a koha web site (OPAC) it's simply a matter of putting the js code on the base page? https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]rsona/Quick_Setup |
| 22:04 | cait_afk | rambutan: rangi did it already - there is a patch waiting for qa I think |
| 22:05 | rambutan | OK, but independent of the patch, it seems like just putting the code on the base page of the OPAC should work, right? |
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| 22:05 | rangi | no |
| 22:06 | rambutan | that's like, "N" "O" no? |
| 22:06 | bgkriegel | Hello |
| 22:06 | wahanui | what's up, bgkriegel |
| 22:06 | rangi | you have to cehck the assertion handed back, and if it is valid create a session for them in koha |
| 22:06 | bug 9587 | |
| 22:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Allow login via mozilla persona - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/ |
| 22:06 | rambutan | oh |
| 22:06 | OH | |
| 22:06 | rangi | you can see the code there |
| 22:06 | rambutan | OK, well rangi++ |
| 22:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #64: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/64/ |
| 22:07 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl | |
| 22:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl |
| 22:07 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #273 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 22:36 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 22:45 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #273: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/273/ |
| 22:45 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9104: country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl | |
| 22:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9104 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , country in CSV in overdue_notices.pl |
| 22:51 | dcook | Whoa...there is a Koha list & site for francophones? Sweeet |
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| 22:57 | bag | ha |
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| 23:08 | dcook | To get listed as a support company, you need to send an email of introduction to the General Koha mailing list? |
| 23:08 | rangi | thats right |
| 23:09 | include as much info as you can, best if you can send a couple of urls to show you have actually done a koha install :) | |
| 23:09 | drojf | heh |
| 23:10 | dcook | Sounds good. Thanks, rangi |
| 23:13 | jcamins_away | dcook: and your site should make it clear that you support the open source Koha software and not something else, ideally. |
| 23:14 | cait_afk | and link back to the community |
| 23:16 | bag | and stand on one foot and chew gum at the same time |
| 23:16 | geeze :P | |
| 23:16 | dcook | Haha, bag |
| 23:17 | The site is actually pretty good about that, it seems. Several links back to the community and explicit mention that it's open source and belongs to the community ;) | |
| 23:17 | bag | you're more than golden IMO |
| 23:17 | dcook | Thanks, bag :) |
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| 23:19 | drojf | lol |
| 23:19 | bag | I'm a bit sarcastic today - sorry it will pass |
| 23:20 | * bag | feels like a ninja behing the keyboard today - good thing this isn't a talking channel |
| 23:20 | bag | damn typos |
| 23:22 | dcook | I always figured library tech people to be akin to ninjas (especially as opposed to pirates) |
| 23:22 | rangi | the other major thing to remember |
| 23:22 | being listed implies utterly no endorsement | |
| 23:24 | bag | well besides saying you're awesome! but yeah no endorsement we can subtract that utterly - it means no endorsement |
| 23:24 | drojf | that is why i would give you the direct country link that shows my company. you don't have to read about the "no endorsement" thing then |
| 23:24 | rangi | heh |
| 23:25 | dcook | We've never really had to worry much about advertising. I'd just like it to be mentioned that we're part of the community |
| 23:25 | bag | yeah we love the word of mouth :) better than any endorsement |
| 23:25 | dcook | Exactly |
| 23:29 | rangi | the rules are to stop the things that don't want to build up that word of mouth or get involved in the community |
| 23:29 | but want a listing so they can go | |
| 23:29 | "look im an official company" | |
| 23:30 | dcook | For sure. I'm all in favour of rules :D |
| 23:30 | rangi | so everyone has to play by the same rules even tho we know some companies are much more involved than others |
| 23:30 | dcook | I think this community and the name of Koha are both really important, and I think whatever can help keep them both in good standing in the larger world is important |
| 23:30 | drojf | i did not know we had so many spanish support companies |
| 23:30 | dcook | drojf: I know, right? |
| 23:31 | * dcook | apparently likes to repeat the word important a lot |
| 23:31 | rangi | heh |
| 23:32 | bag | or is that just kidding |
| 23:32 | drojf | ha that goes right into the newsletter |
| 23:33 | bag | hey any of you going to the french hackfest? |
| 23:33 | * dcook | wishes |
| 23:34 | bag | bummer that is right after the freeze - but really good that it is right after the freeze so we can concentrate on bugs :) |
| 23:34 | dcook | :D |
| 23:34 | jcamins_away | bag: that was the point. |
| 23:34 | bag | actually should help focus |
| 23:35 | jcamins_away | Exactly. |
| 23:36 | bag | yeah timing is weird sometimes |
| 23:36 | jcamins_away you planning on going to reno? | |
| 23:36 | jcamins_away | At present, yes. |
| 23:37 | bag | presenting? |
| 23:37 | jcamins_away | I haven't decided. |
| 23:37 | Probably. | |
| 23:37 | bag | but at least you thought about it |
| 23:37 | I had an idea awhile ago that I talked about doing with rangi - but I can't remember that at all right now | |
| 23:38 | good thing I wrote that down somewhere | |
| 23:38 | rangi | heh |
| 23:38 | im gonna do "from librarian to coder, in 1 hour" | |
| 23:38 | for the hackfest | |
| 23:38 | jcamins_away | rangi: excellent, that means I don't have to do that one. |
| 23:39 | bag | maybe it was the secret way to get listed as a koha support company… |
| 23:39 | I'd like to do gossip hour - tell the real story of koha from 4 years ago | |
| 23:40 | dcook | :o |
| 23:40 | * dcook | wonders if there is a secret handshake and knock as well |
| 23:40 | bag | the knock is submit patches :P |
| 23:41 | dcook | Well, at least I'm in the door...:p |
| 23:42 | rangi | that gossip session could be fun |
| 23:43 | dcook | Wow...the plan is for a rather long conference |
| 23:43 | * dcook | is not opposed to this idea |
| 23:43 | rangi | thats how long they always are :) |
| 23:43 | 3 days conf | |
| 23:43 | 1 day off, 3 days hackfest | |
| 23:43 | at least since 2010 anyway, 2009 didnt have the day off bit | |
| 23:43 | sivoais joined #koha | |
| 23:43 | rangi | 2006 had 2 days conf, 5 days hackfest |
| 23:46 | jcamins_away | I'm not sure yet if I'll come to the entire thing. |
| 23:46 | Go to, rather. | |
| 23:47 | drojf | i would |
| 23:47 | unfortunately i don't see that happening for me | |
| 23:47 | dcook | I like the day off idea, rangi |
| 23:48 | Mind you, I'm probably going to take a week or two off afterwards and try to see family and friends while I'm in NA | |
| 23:48 | rangi | we try to do something cultural/unique to the area |
| 23:48 | dcook | Ahh, group bonding time? :p |
| 23:48 | rangi | its the most important part of the conf |
| 23:48 | imho | |
| 23:48 | the presentations and stuff are cool | |
| 23:48 | but its the talking over beers or coffees | |
| 23:48 | that is the bit that reinforces community | |
| 23:49 | jcamins_away | ^^ that's the part I'm interested in. |
| 23:49 | drojf | and standing in the rain in scotland |
| 23:49 | rangi | hehe yes |
| 23:49 | we did a lot of that | |
| 23:49 | drojf | it was still fun :) |
| 23:49 | rangi | usually between beers |
| 23:49 | bag | yeah that's the times that are fun |
| 23:50 | when you really get to understand paul_p etc... | |
| 23:51 | or have fun with rangi's accent | |
| 23:51 | gmcharlt | or imagining combining mine, rangi's, and paul_p's |
| 23:52 | rangi | heh |
| 23:52 | or go to baseball games | |
| 23:53 | bag | bag? |
| 23:53 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 23:53 | gmcharlt | wahanui: speak up, we can't quite make that out |
| 23:53 | wahanui | gmcharlt: excuse me? |
| 23:54 | drojf | rangi? |
| 23:54 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 23:54 | drojf | heh. love that one |
| 23:54 | dcook | lol |
| 23:54 | bag | October will be hard for baseball - since it will be world series time and most minor leagues are done at that time |
| 23:54 | yeah rangi bought those almonds at the farmers market here in Santa Barbara | |
| 23:54 | rangi | they were good! |
| 23:55 | * dcook | can't remember rangi's accent, but really wondered how long he was going to speak Maori for at his Access presentation |
| 23:55 | rangi | heh, gets them everytime |
| 23:55 | dcook | It was great! |
| 23:55 | I wish that I hadn't been so slammed at the time | |
| 23:55 | bag | rangi they've upgraded now - so they make more than just the almonds - like they make chocolate covered almonds etc. |
| 23:56 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]tml/slide015.html |
| 23:56 | hehe | |
| 23:56 | and my favourite slide, from 2 days before the world cup final | |
| 23:56 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ch[…]tml/slide017.html | |
| 23:57 | bag | we all had a lot of fun in NOLA - asking rangi what he cooks on his deck (you know the back porch patio kind of thing) |
| 23:57 | oh that world cup final shot is awesome | |
| 23:57 | dcook | Very awesome |
| 23:57 | rangi | i watched the final at 3am in a pub in vancouver |
| 23:57 | dcook | Nice one! |
| 23:57 | Which pub? | |
| 23:57 | rangi | staggered back to the hotel |
| 23:57 | checked out | |
| 23:58 | wahanui | i think checked out is set to 0000-00-00. |
| 23:58 | cjh | rangi: dedication. |
| 23:58 | rangi | and got a train to the airport |
| 23:58 | and flew home | |
| 23:58 | still slightly drunk and with no sleep :) | |
| 23:58 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:58 | rangi | i crashed pretty fast on that flight |
| 23:58 | dcook | Did you do the direct or the LA/SF stop over? |
| 23:58 | rangi | direct to auckland |
| 23:58 | dcook | Well "direct" |
| 23:58 | Oh? Nice | |
| 23:59 | rangi | then from there to wellington |
| 23:59 | there were about 8 of us on the plane wearing rugby jerseys | |
| 23:59 | i forget the name of the pub, something rugby related | |
| 23:59 | drojf | lol |
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